[css-d] Style tag AFTER body tag?
Can I put the style tag below the body tag instead of in the head? I am using CSS in an HTML email (not spam by the way) and have heard you want to do this for web based clients that chop off the head section. I just wanted to make sure this was ok. It seems to work ok for Thunderbird on my mac. The CSS doesn't work though when I am authoring in Dreamweaver. __ css-discuss [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ List policies -- http://css-discuss.org/policies.html Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/
Re: [css-d] Style tag AFTER body tag?
Can I put the style tag below the body tag instead of in the head? I am using CSS in an HTML email (not spam by the way) and have heard you want to do this for web based clients that chop off the head section. I just wanted to make sure this was ok. It seems to work ok for Thunderbird on my mac. The CSS doesn't work though when I am authoring in Dreamweaver. __ In my experience of HTML email (I worked for a leading UK company for a few months where all I did was code them, and this was their recommended method), this is the most effective way to deliver styles within an email, though it is not valid code wise. HTH James __ css-discuss [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ List policies -- http://css-discuss.org/policies.html Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/
Re: [css-d] Style tag AFTER body tag?
Hi Jennifer, Moving your style declarations to the body will work in more clients than keeping it in the head. However, there are several clients (Gmail for one) which will also strip the HTML of anything in between the style/style tags. I'd recommend declaring all of your styles inline to try and increase compatibility. You may want to have a look at Alex Dunae's premailer, which will take your final HTML document and return the same document with the CSS converted to inline declarations. It's located at http://code.dunae.ca/premailer.web/ Regarding authoring in Dreamweaver, I'm guessing that DW expects the style declarations to be within the head of the document, hence it is not applying them in the visual editor. So, if you move your declarations back to the head for design, and then run the HTML through the pre-mailer script above, all should be fine! Regards Matt Jennifer Knowles wrote: Can I put the style tag below the body tag instead of in the head? I am using CSS in an HTML email (not spam by the way) and have heard you want to do this for web based clients that chop off the head section. I just wanted to make sure this was ok. It seems to work ok for Thunderbird on my mac. The CSS doesn't work though when I am authoring in Dreamweaver. __ css-discuss [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ List policies -- http://css-discuss.org/policies.html Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/ __ css-discuss [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ List policies -- http://css-discuss.org/policies.html Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/
Re: [css-d] Two-column fluid layout
Murphy, Kristen Anne wrote: I'm trying to create a two-column, fluid layout using the method described in this article: http://www.alistapart.com/articles/multicolumnlayouts/ (In short, the method involves creating the illusion of equal-height columns by making a div with a wide left border and then floating another div over that border.) I'm running into a few problems, to wit: Thanks for the responses on this. I took a step back and started with a clean stylesheet based on one from the ALA article (instead of my original stylesheet which had been reworked a million times), and it's working much better now. There are still a few problems with the width that I'm hoping someone can advise me on. In Firefox and IE7, I'm getting a horizontal scroll bar. There's also approximately 1px worth of the body (red) showing through on the far right of the page. I'm guessing the two are related. Also in Firefox and IE7, the min-width isn't working properly. It's supposed to be scalable down to 760px, but the white space between the film reel and the words Individualized Major Program isn't collapsing far enough. In IE6, the min-width is not working at all. As the browser window shrinks, the banner breaks and Individualized Major Program slides under the images. The relevant files are here: HTML: http://imp.purplelagoon.org/index.shtml CSS: http://imp.purplelagoon.org/css/imp.css Min-width rules for IE6: http://imp.purplelagoon.org/css/iestyle.css Thanks, Kristen [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ css-discuss [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ List policies -- http://css-discuss.org/policies.html Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/
Re: [css-d] Why is a class ignored inside an ID?
Christian Kirchhoff wrote: Geoffrey Hoffman schrieb: Or, conversely, why doesn't a class' CSS override a parent container ID's CSS? It seems like it should. Tia, Geoff Hello, you might consider looking at this page: http://www.w3.org/TR/REC-CSS2/cascade.html#specificity The id selector is a higher specifity and the rule attached to it is therefore chosen in the 1st example. Regards, Christian Or check out this excellent explanation by Andy Clarke: http://www.stuffandnonsense.co.uk/archives/css_specificity_wars.html Chris __ css-discuss [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ List policies -- http://css-discuss.org/policies.html Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/
[css-d] [OT] who do I have to sleep with...
...for my posts to get to the list in a timely fashion. I sent a message to the list on Monday at 10:51 PM (-500 GMT) and I just received a copy of it back from the list just moments ago (approx. 1:45 PM on Wednesday 1/23, still -500 GMT). In looking through the header the lag was not my server or the internet, but evolt.org. So while there are brilliant minds on the list and I'm learning a lot, a 2-day lag (well, almost two days) is semi-defeating when I'm in a what the heck is wrong with my CSS? mode. Back to my point, who/where do I send inquiries about the list management. There are no points-of-contact on ANY of pages linked to in the footers tagged onto the messages. Thanks, Rob __ Rob Emenecker @ Hairy Dog Digital 410.694.3575 (arf) || 410.694.3550 (fax) www.hairydogdigital.com __ css-discuss [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ List policies -- http://css-discuss.org/policies.html Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/
[css-d] IE PC issue with footer, looks like negative margin
Hi, Having an issue with some css with a particular browser. Weird thing is this is not a consistent behaviour. On another computer with exactly the same browser the error does not come up. This page looks fine in Firefox. The error appears to be a vertical negative margin issue. The footer of the page appears near the top and all the main content is not on screen. Page to see: http://tinyurl.com/2qjorh Layout css: http://tinyurl.com/3bv6jd Type css: http://tinyurl.com/34e63l Nav css: http://tinyurl.com/2v7uve Section specific rules: http://tinyurl.com/2ztqpf The browser that is the culprit showing the negative margin: IE PC version 7.0.5730.11 Compare to FF and you should see. If anyone can see the errant code I would be very appreciative. Let me know if you have any questions. __ css-discuss [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ List policies -- http://css-discuss.org/policies.html Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/
Re: [css-d] XHTML 1.0 Transitional and IE6
Michael Adams wrote:
Using a two column negative margin layout, only IE5, IE5.5 and IE6
all show the sidebar below the main content, though everything looks
offset correctly in the x direction. First time i've tried working in
quirks mode and wonder if anyone can see my overlooked issue.
http://demo.realpeople.gen.nz
IE6 (regardless of mode) and below do not respect declared dimensions.
The result is a too wide sidebar - making it drop.
Adding...
* html #sidebar {overflow-x: hidden; margin-right: -10px;}
...will keep sidebar-width under control, and provide some extra space
for IE/win's calculation bugs.
regards
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Re: [css-d] Style tag AFTER body tag?
Jennifer, Forget about Dreamweaver. It does a terrible job of supporting CSS formatting. It's best to use your local system for testing CSS formats. Tim Jennifer Knowles wrote: Can I put the style tag below the body tag instead of in the head? I am using CSS in an HTML email (not spam by the way) and have heard you want to do this for web based clients that chop off the head section. I just wanted to make sure this was ok. It seems to work ok for Thunderbird on my mac. The CSS doesn't work though when I am authoring in Dreamweaver. __ css-discuss [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ List policies -- http://css-discuss.org/policies.html Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/ __ css-discuss [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ List policies -- http://css-discuss.org/policies.html Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/
Re: [css-d] Two-column fluid layout
Murphy, Kristen Anne wrote: In Firefox and IE7, I'm getting a horizontal scroll bar. There's also approximately 1px worth of the body (red) showing through on the far right of the page. I'm guessing the two are related. Also in Firefox and IE7, the min-width isn't working properly. It's supposed to be scalable down to 760px, but the white space between the film reel and the words Individualized Major Program isn't collapsing far enough. http://imp.purplelagoon.org/index.shtml http://imp.purplelagoon.org/css/imp.css http://imp.purplelagoon.org/css/iestyle.css Kristen And I am guessing that adding margin-left: -1px; to #content /may/ help get rid of the h-scroll bar. On the body declaration you have min-width:760px; and padding-left; 150px; so the width will never be less than 910px (I think). Best, ~dL -- http://chelseacreekstudio.com/ __ css-discuss [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ List policies -- http://css-discuss.org/policies.html Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/
Re: [css-d] [OT] who do I have to sleep with...
Alex Robinson wrote: Back to my point, who/where do I send inquiries about the list management. There are no points-of-contact on ANY of pages linked to in the footers tagged onto the messages. [EMAIL PROTECTED] That's odd, I thought it used to be on the page referenced at the bottom of every single post http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d but it's not. Rob, please send you mail transcript through so we can show it to the evolt gang. Alex css-d moderator __ css-discuss [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ List policies -- http://css-discuss.org/policies.html Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/ Shows up OK in my emails (tbird on WinXP), *but*, if a signature is attached, then the bottom text is faded. Peter __ css-discuss [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ List policies -- http://css-discuss.org/policies.html Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/
Re: [css-d] Style tag AFTER body tag?
Jennifer, You may want to check out: http://www.campaignmonitor.com/blog/archives/2007/04/a_guide_to_css_support_ in_emai_2.html There is a handy charge you can download there, as well as good info as to what CSS is/is not supported in mail clients. As far as Dreamweaver, it is only a tool, it is not a web-browser, so you should only use it for loose visual styling. It's handling of CSS from MX -- MX04 -- 8 -- CS3 has improved by leaps and bounds. It does a very good job of writing CSS for you, but like any tool, it tends to write bloated code and use generic class names. Strictly speaking for valid (X)HTML, a STYLE element must be contained in the HEAD element. If a browser or mail client reads and handles the STYLE element below the BODY element, it's likely that the application is simply trying to handle coding that does not adhere to the (X)HTML DTD and XML Schema. ...Rob -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Big Moxy Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2008 8:40 AM To: Jennifer Knowles Cc: css-d@lists.css-discuss.org Subject: Re: [css-d] Style tag AFTER body tag? Jennifer, Forget about Dreamweaver. It does a terrible job of supporting CSS formatting. It's best to use your local system for testing CSS formats. Tim Jennifer Knowles wrote: Can I put the style tag below the body tag instead of in the head? I am using CSS in an HTML email (not spam by the way) and have heard you want to do this for web based clients that chop off the head section. I just wanted to make sure this was ok. It seems to work ok for Thunderbird on my mac. The CSS doesn't work though when I am authoring in Dreamweaver. __ css-discuss [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ List policies -- http://css-discuss.org/policies.html Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/ __ css-discuss [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ List policies -- http://css-discuss.org/policies.html Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/ __ css-discuss [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ List policies -- http://css-discuss.org/policies.html Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/
Re: [css-d] Style tag AFTER body tag?
Actually, I find Dreamweaver's CSS editing features to be extremely handy. What Tim is referring to is how Dreamweaver interprets and displays complex CSS in design mode. True, I agree it is lacking in this area... In effect, it is yet another browser (it handles CSS rules differently than FFX, Opera, IE, Safari, etc... the engine is most like IE but there are differences...) so don't rely on it for exact positioning size. For simple things it works just fine. It also has a Firebug-style DOM tree navigator that helps you remember what rule is getting inherited by things as you click on it which is a huge time saver while building up CSS rules. But by all means, you can and should take advantage of the CSS editing capabilities it has (especially if you already are using it for all the other features.) It is much, much faster than typing in CSS rules by hand. Test the file locally, either by running Apache locally or just dragging it into different browser windows. You can always work on CSS in the head for testing development using it within Dreamweaver, then move it to the body before sending it via emailing (or use the pre-mailer page Matt sent.) Geoff On Jan 24, 2008 6:39 AM, Big Moxy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Jennifer, Forget about Dreamweaver. It does a terrible job of supporting CSS formatting. It's best to use your local system for testing CSS formats. Tim Jennifer Knowles wrote: Can I put the style tag below the body tag instead of in the head? I am using CSS in an HTML email (not spam by the way) and have heard you want to do this for web based clients that chop off the head section. I just wanted to make sure this was ok. It seems to work ok for Thunderbird on my mac. The CSS doesn't work though when I am authoring in Dreamweaver. __ css-discuss [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ List policies -- http://css-discuss.org/policies.html Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/ __ css-discuss [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ List policies -- http://css-discuss.org/policies.html Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/ __ css-discuss [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ List policies -- http://css-discuss.org/policies.html Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/
Re: [css-d] Two-column fluid layout
Murphy, Kristen Anne wrote: In Firefox and IE7, I'm getting a horizontal scroll bar. There's also approximately 1px worth of the body (red) showing through on the far right of the page. I'm guessing the two are related. Also in Firefox and IE7, the min-width isn't working properly. It's supposed to be scalable down to 760px, but the white space between the film reel and the words Individualized Major Program isn't collapsing far enough. http://imp.purplelagoon.org/index.shtml http://imp.purplelagoon.org/css/imp.css http://imp.purplelagoon.org/css/iestyle.css Kristen David Laakso wrote: And I am guessing that adding margin-left: -1px; to #content /may/ help get rid of the h-scroll bar. On the body declaration you have min-width:760px; and padding-left; 150px; so the width will never be less than 910px (I think). You were right on both counts. Thank you! Any ideas about the min-width in IE6? Kristen __ css-discuss [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ List policies -- http://css-discuss.org/policies.html Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/
Re: [css-d] [OT] who do I have to sleep with...
for my posts to get to the list in a timely fashion. I sent a message to the list on Monday at 10:51 PM (-500 GMT) and I just received a copy of it back from the list just moments ago (approx. 1:45 PM on Wednesday 1/23, still -500 GMT). In looking through the header the lag was not my server or the internet, but evolt.org. Your message was received by mailman on the evolt.org server on: Jan 21 21:51:25 2008 (6097) css-d post held: Post to moderated list and was held because css-d is a completely moderated list. A moderated released your post on: Jan 23 09:58:22 2008 (26205) held message approved Dean - on behalf of evolt.org __ css-discuss [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ List policies -- http://css-discuss.org/policies.html Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/
Re: [css-d] Scaling type isn't expanding the container div
I'm sure it's an easy fix but I'm missing it... Hi Mike, Try getting rid of the height: 165px; from the #content div.tab_section style definition. Regards, Kepler Gelotte __ css-discuss [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ List policies -- http://css-discuss.org/policies.html Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/
Re: [css-d] XHTML 1.0 Transitional and IE6
On Thu, 24 Jan 2008 15:19:37 +0100
Gunlaug Sørtun wrote:
Michael Adams wrote:
Using a two column negative margin layout, only IE5, IE5.5 and IE6
all show the sidebar below the main content, though everything looks
offset correctly in the x direction. First time i've tried working
in quirks mode and wonder if anyone can see my overlooked issue.
http://demo.realpeople.gen.nz
IE6 (regardless of mode) and below do not respect declared dimensions.
The result is a too wide sidebar - making it drop.
Adding...
* html #sidebar {overflow-x: hidden; margin-right: -10px;}
...will keep sidebar-width under control, and provide some extra space
for IE/win's calculation bugs.
Much appreciated, and credited you in the comments :)
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Re: [css-d] [OT] who do I have to sleep with...
That would be an issue to take up with the css-d owner and moderators. evolt.org takes not manage the list, we only host it. There must be reasons for the list being completely moderated and I would suspect that the amount of time that a message is held is related to the number of moderators and their schedules. Dean - on behalf of evolt.org On Jan 24, 2008 3:37 PM, Big Moxy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That's unacceptable. We're posting for help and expecting something back in a reasonable amount of time. Having to wait 12 hours before a post is released results in losing a day's work. Tim Burkart Dean Mah wrote: for my posts to get to the list in a timely fashion. I sent a message to the list on Monday at 10:51 PM (-500 GMT) and I just received a copy of it back from the list just moments ago (approx. 1:45 PM on Wednesday 1/23, still -500 GMT). In looking through the header the lag was not my server or the internet, but evolt.org. Your message was received by mailman on the evolt.org server on: Jan 21 21:51:25 2008 (6097) css-d post held: Post to moderated list and was held because css-d is a completely moderated list. A moderated released your post on: Jan 23 09:58:22 2008 (26205) held message approved Dean - on behalf of evolt.org __ css-discuss [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ List policies -- http://css-discuss.org/policies.html Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/
Re: [css-d] Style tag AFTER body tag?
Matt, that rocks. Thanks for sharing - I had the thought that someone may have made an external-css-to-inline-css converter for just that reason. Brilliant. On Jan 24, 2008 3:34 AM, Matt Birch [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You may want to have a look at Alex Dunae's premailer, which will take your final HTML document and return the same document with the CSS converted to inline declarations. It's located at http://code.dunae.ca/premailer.web/ __ css-discuss [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ List policies -- http://css-discuss.org/policies.html Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/
Re: [css-d] Scaling type isn't expanding the container div
http://nancyray.accountsupport.com/index0.php
http://nancyray.accountsupport.com/bct.css
The layout is still crap but it's coming together. I can't figure out why
the type under the Presstek Ad isn't pushing the div below it down when I
scale the type.
#content div.tab_section {
display: block;
margin: 0px;
padding: 5px;
height: 165px; *** you have a specified height here ***
}
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Re: [css-d] Scaling type isn't expanding the container div
Michael Stevens wrote:
http://nancyray.accountsupport.com/index0.php
I can't figure out why the type under the Presstek Ad isn't pushing
the div below it down when I scale the type.
Setting a height like you have...
#content div.tab_section {
height : 165px;
}
...has that effect in compliant browsers.
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Re: [css-d] Why is a class ignored inside an ID?
On Jan 23, 2008, at 10:06 AM, Geoffrey Hoffman wrote:
#outer { border:4px solid red; }
#outer a { color:red; }
.inner { border:4px solid green; }
.inner a { color:green; }
The why has been answered well, but let me chime in. If you want it
green, simply replace
.inner { border:4px solid green; }
.inner a { color:green; }
with
#outer .inner { border:4px solid green; }
#outer .inner a { color:green; }
and you'll have it green.
Get used to the cascade and specificty rules, and you can create some
interesting effects.
Have Fun,
Arlen
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[css-d] [ADMIN] Re: [OT] who do I have to sleep with...
At 16:08 -0700 24/1/08, Dean Mah wrote: That would be an issue to take up with the css-d owner and moderators. evolt.org takes not manage the list, we only host it. There must be reasons for the list being completely moderated and I would suspect that the amount of time that a message is held is related to the number of moderators and their schedules. Dean - on behalf of evolt.org Thank you Dean The fault is mine. I misread Rob's initial email and thought that this had been happening to him repeatedly (rereading it, it patently says nothing of the kind). We hold new subscribers' posts for moderation to make sure that they are not spammers signing up to unleash their wicked ways. Once we've seen that a new poster is ok, then we unmoderate them. Of course, the mailman interface doesn't allow us to see when subscribers signed up or when they were unmoderated which might have checked my foolhardy blustering. Though probably not, since today there has been a lag of at least several hours with mail which was probably the thing which led me furthest up the wrong path. Idiot moderator. Let me remind myself (and others on the list) of this passage in the list's guidelines: If it's taking a long time for your post to show up, wait. When traffic flows are heavy and the server gets overtaxed, it can be a few hours before your message gets processed and sent out to everyone. On the other hand, if you can see from the timestamps that people who posted after you have had their messages go out, something else may be wrong. Wait a while longer, and then contact the list administrators. Do not post a test message to the list. It will either have no effect, or make you look foolish. http://www.css-discuss.org/policies.html Mail can take a long time. That's unacceptable. We're posting for help and expecting something back in a reasonable amount of time. Having to wait 12 hours before a post is released results in losing a day's work. Tim Burkart I don't know where this quote came from, but I'd like to take this opportunity to address it. You only have to wait for approval the very first time you post. As often as not, that approval is given within a couple of hours, if not even sooner. The list exists as a community resource. No one is owed anything by the list. If someone loses a day's work because their question wasn't answered quickly enough for them (whether the delay was caused by slothful moderators or apathy from the list in general), then that, I am afraid, is their lookout. Don't leave things to the last minute. Don't expect instant miracles from the list. Treat it right and it will treat you right too. Spread the CSS love... Alex Soon to be sleeping with the fish Robinson css-d moderator __ css-discuss [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ List policies -- http://css-discuss.org/policies.html Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/
[css-d] Multiple Column Lists
1 4 7 2 5 8 3 6 9 I read the article Do You Want To Do That With CSS? - Multiple Column Lists [1] by Holly Bergevin and John Gallant online about how to display lists across multiple columns and make the item order follow the columns rather than flow along the rows. At the end they round off the article with the sentence this technique is only useful for static pages, and cannot be made to easily work in a dynamic page where unknown numbers of list items may be included ... which is a slight drawback since that's exactly what I'd like to do! Is there any way to change the flow in the browser to vertical, like for instance with Chinese text? Or am I dreaming? Regards Adam [1] http://www.communitymx.com/content/article.cfm?page=2cid=27F87 __ css-discuss [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ List policies -- http://css-discuss.org/policies.html Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/
Re: [css-d] Two-column fluid layout
-Original Message- From: Alan K. Gay [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2008 11:04 AM To: css-d@lists.css-discuss.org Subject: RE: [css-d] Two-column fluid layout Kristin, I'm not versed in the hack you are using for min-width on IE6. I do observe that if I resize my browser while viewing the page, the nav section gets overlayed on the main text. Refreshing the screen resolves the problem, but not ideal. IE also supports a proprietary expression that will recalculate width based on port size using js in the style (in the form of width: expresssion (blah blah blah)), but it in my experience it's cumbersome to use, and while it recalculates dynamically as users resize their browser while viewing the page, I've seen it to causes IE to crash on occasions. The other choises are to design around the requirement or include a fixed width element (like a 1px high transparent image) that is uncompressible and therefore forces the horizontal scroll. All ugly choices. Your 1px red border problem is easier... You have content with a width of 100% and a 1px left border... So your total width is 100%+1px. Change your width to 99.5% or something like that and the red stripe disappears. You should also eliminate the right border on menu... It is unneeded if you want a 1px border between menu and content. An alternative that works in FF is to give content a left margin of -1px, though I don't know if that works in IE7. Finally, in FF, it appears the -170px margin on your elements is being subtracted from the width of the body, so FF thinks it's body is 760 when it is really 930. Setting min-width to 760-170=590 seems to solve your problem in FF. Alan K. Gay [EMAIL PROTECTED] BuyMetrics, Inc. Atlanta, GA -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Murphy, Kristen Anne Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2008 5:06 PM To: css-d@lists.css-discuss.org Subject: Re: [css-d] Two-column fluid layout Murphy, Kristen Anne wrote: I'm trying to create a two-column, fluid layout using the method described in this article: http://www.alistapart.com/articles/multicolumnlayouts/ (In short, the method involves creating the illusion of equal-height columns by making a div with a wide left border and then floating another div over that border.) I'm running into a few problems, to wit: Thanks for the responses on this. I took a step back and started with a clean stylesheet based on one from the ALA article (instead of my original stylesheet which had been reworked a million times), and it's working much better now. There are still a few problems with the width that I'm hoping someone can advise me on. In Firefox and IE7, I'm getting a horizontal scroll bar. There's also approximately 1px worth of the body (red) showing through on the far right of the page. I'm guessing the two are related. Also in Firefox and IE7, the min-width isn't working properly. It's supposed to be scalable down to 760px, but the white space between the film reel and the words Individualized Major Program isn't collapsing far enough. In IE6, the min-width is not working at all. As the browser window shrinks, the banner breaks and Individualized Major Program slides under the images. The relevant files are here: HTML: http://imp.purplelagoon.org/index.shtml CSS: http://imp.purplelagoon.org/css/imp.css Min-width rules for IE6: http://imp.purplelagoon.org/css/iestyle.css Thanks, Kristen [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ css-discuss [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ List policies -- http://css-discuss.org/policies.html Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/ __ css-discuss [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ List policies -- http://css-discuss.org/policies.html Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/
Re: [css-d] Multiple Column Lists
Is there any way to change the flow in the browser to vertical, like for instance with Chinese text? Or am I dreaming? Here is a link to information about a JavaScript / CSS3 implementation of what you are interested in. http://www.csscripting.com/wiki/index.php?title=Main_Page Unfortunately, this solution requires a browser that includes the css3 multi-column module, such as Firefox or Opera. Jim __ css-discuss [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ List policies -- http://css-discuss.org/policies.html Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/
Re: [css-d] Extra vertical space between LI elements in IE
Validated the markup - except for an issue with a bit of javascript in the footer, the page is valid Strict XHTML. I also tried removing all the whitespace between LI tags, but the extra vertical space is still showing in IE6 7. Thoughts? TIA, Erik On Jan 23, 2008 5:35 PM, David Laakso [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Erik Domingo wrote: I'm having a problem with an unordered list...] Erik Domingo Validate the markup. Write back if you still drop the float in IE/6.0 and have more vertical space between the li's in IE6 7. -- http://chelseacreekstudio.com/ __ css-discuss [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ List policies -- http://css-discuss.org/policies.html Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/
Re: [css-d] checkbox + IE 7 + zoom = overlapped text
On Jan 25, 2008, at 7:42 AM, j s wrote: If using IE7, and then Zoom In, the checkbox on the page linked below overlaps the text next to it. I've tried putting margins around the checkbox, padding, using display properties, but nothing seems to help. Anyone have any suggestions? http://inkpixelspaper.com/clients/rbmstaticsite/ . http://www.brunildo.org/test/ie7_badzoom.html for more. Let us know how you ended up 'fixing' it. Philippe --- Philippe Wittenbergh http://l-c-n.com/ __ css-discuss [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ List policies -- http://css-discuss.org/policies.html Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/
Re: [css-d] [ADMIN] Re: [OT] who do I have to sleep with...
Hi Alex and Dean, Let me clarify. Several weeks back this was not happening. I don't post frequently, however when I posted this week there was a significant lag. Approximately 36 hours. That seemed like an unnecessarily long time for a message because (a) I've posted in the past and posts showed up in a timely fashion (2-3 hours), and (b) I could not see any reason that even if messages from me were still be moderated, that it should take upwards of 36 hours for them to be released. (For a recent post, I had given up assuming that it was accidentally squashed by the evolt.org server.) Since I've posted to the list before and previously had message show up in a more timely fashion -- albeit many hours -- but still timely, I was concerned that recently my posts where taking 12+ hours to show up. As you pointed out in the guidelines, it can be several hours before a post shows up. However, my expectation is that several hours means something of a magnitude of 2-3 hours, not 12-36 hours. Also, as the guideline points out, contact the list administrators. I would have done that if the moderator info was readily available. I ended up having to send a post with a COLORFUL subject line in the hopes of getting a moderator's attention. That's not exactly an efficient -- even if it is effective -- way to contact the list administrators. You only have to wait for approval the very first time you post. As often as not, that approval is given within a couple of hours, if not even sooner. Okay, but according to Dean my post was held for moderation. This was not my first post, or second, or third, etc. So the approval never seems to have happened and my posts are still be moderated, which brings me back to the 12-36 hour lag time. So, I guess I'll know where everything stands once I hit the SEND button on this reply and see WHEN it shows up on the list. ...Rob __ css-discuss [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ List policies -- http://css-discuss.org/policies.html Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/
Re: [css-d] [ADMIN] Re: [OT] who do I have to sleep with...
So, I guess I'll know where everything stands once I hit the SEND button on this reply and see WHEN it shows up on the list. Okie dokie. 3 minutes from send to receiving a copy back. This kid will sleep tonight knowing that the world is once again a happy place! Consider this thread done and over! Peace out! __ css-discuss [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ List policies -- http://css-discuss.org/policies.html Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/
Re: [css-d] Two-column fluid layout
Murphy, Kristen Anne wrote: Murphy, Kristen Anne wrote: In Firefox and IE7, I'm getting a horizontal scroll bar. There's also approximately 1px worth of the body (red) showing through on the far right of the page. I'm guessing the two are related. Also in Firefox and IE7, the min-width isn't working properly. It's supposed to be scalable down to 760px, but the white space between the film reel and the words Individualized Major Program isn't collapsing far enough. http://imp.purplelagoon.org/index.shtml http://imp.purplelagoon.org/css/imp.css http://imp.purplelagoon.org/css/iestyle.css Kristen You were right on both counts. Thank you! Any ideas about the min-width in IE6? Kristen Hmm. Suppose you go to the market and buy 5 pounds of apples, and 5 pounds of berries, and 5 pounds of cherries. And the clerk tells you she regrets that the 15 pounds of fruit you bought simply will not fit in the 3 pound /paper/ bag you want to take it home in. What do you guess she might say if you asked her to put the 15 pounds of fruit in a 3 pound /plastic/ bag? Best, The Clerk of the Works -- http://chelseacreekstudio.com/ __ css-discuss [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ List policies -- http://css-discuss.org/policies.html Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/
