Re: [css-d] Trouble with table cell/row heights, rowspans IE.
Emil Björklund wrote: I'm having major problems with applying height rules to a table. I know setting heights for table cells or rows is tricky at best, but I so need this to work, soon *losing hair* It's tricky topic indeed. An example page is up at http://ebdesign.se/table_problem.html, with an accompaying sketch of what it's supposed to look like (if you use IE) at http://ebdesign.se/table_problem.gif The problem is that when a table has, say, three rows that should have a specific total height (determined by an image in this case) and you would like to set specific heights for two of them and let the browser allocate the rest to the third row, IE just won't do this. It applies its own obscure layout algorithms. As a workaround, you could use nested tables, so that on the right of the image, you have just a single cell. Within that cell, you would have an inner table, aligned to the top of the enclosing cell. In your example, this would be a 2 by 2 table. The rest of the content of the enclosing cell would be empty, with no need for any artificial construct. But the structure as a whole would be somewhat illogical, since the columns of the inner table should relate to the columns of the outer cell but they don't, in the markup. The presentational manifestation of this problem is that they wouldn't by nature share the outer table's column widths. This could be fixed by using fixed (e.g., px valued) width settings for them. This means inflexibility, but you seem to be using fixed widths anyway. Another, simpler approach would mean fixing the heights as well. This means that you set the heights of the rows in pixels, or estimate them in pixels (making a guess on what em typically is in pixels, multiplying it by the line height, and adding the (defaulted) cell padding) and then set the height of the dummy cell in pixels so that the sum of the heights matches the height of the image cell. This too implies inflexibility, but your table as a whole isn't very flexible anyway. Jukka K. Korpela (Yucca) http://www.cs.tut.fi/~jkorpela/ __ css-discuss [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ List policies -- http://css-discuss.org/policies.html Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/
[css-d] Where does the large gap come from please?
Hi I have puzzled over the css for days and tried experimenting with different layouts and still find a large gap appearing. See this site: http://cornwallfineart.co.uk/paintings/?antcat=1product=2 CSS: http://cornwallfineart.co.uk/wp-content/themes/uzella/style.css The gap exists between the header Beatiful2: and the description. I have tried varying the styling here: http://macintoshantiques.com/antique-gallery/?antcat=11product=11 CSS: http://macintoshantiques.com/wp-content/themes/grey/style.css But even though it doesn't look like it, the gap is still there. Any ideas please? Thanks. -- Kind regards Rich http://www.cregy.co.uk Embracing what God does for you is the best thing you can do for him. Romans 12 v 1 __ css-discuss [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ List policies -- http://css-discuss.org/policies.html Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/
Re: [css-d] Where does the large gap come from please?
Hi Rich, In both cases it appears that a br/ is the problem. This br/ is adding more than one line of space because it is between two block-level elements (a heading and a parragraph) that have vertical margins. The total space created is one line break from the br/ plus the bottom margin of the above heading, plus the top margin of the parragraph below. This adds up to about 3 lines not the expected 1. Without the br/ the upper and lower margins collapse together leaving about 1 line of space. If you want to add an extra line of space below the heading then just increase the bottom margin on this heading instead of adding the br/, that should do it. I hope that helps. - Matt =) Matthew James Taylor http://matthewjamestaylor.com Hi I have puzzled over the css for days and tried experimenting with different layouts and still find a large gap appearing. See this site: http://cornwallfineart.co.uk/paintings/?antcat=1product=2 CSS: http://cornwallfineart.co.uk/wp-content/themes/uzella/style.css The gap exists between the header Beatiful2: and the description. I have tried varying the styling here: http://macintoshantiques.com/antique-gallery/?antcat=11product=11 CSS: http://macintoshantiques.com/wp-content/themes/grey/style.css But even though it doesn't look like it, the gap is still there. Any ideas please? Thanks. -- Kind regards Rich http://www.cregy.co.uk __ css-discuss [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ List policies -- http://css-discuss.org/policies.html Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/
Re: [css-d] Trouble with table cell/row heights, rowspans IE.
Emil Björklund wrote: http://ebdesign.se/table_problem.html Most browsers I've tested in so far (FF2 Mac/Win, Safari 3 Mac, Opera 9 Mac) shows the intended layout. IE6-7 though, shows the article no./finish columns expanded to fill the height of the space to the right of the image. I cannot for the life of me get them to respect any height measurement. Wish I could say I've solved the problem, but I've only added parts of a workaround for the test case, that may or may not provide you with enough bits for solving a real case... http://www.gunlaug.no/tos/alien/eb/test_08_0203.html regards Georg -- http://www.gunlaug.no __ css-discuss [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ List policies -- http://css-discuss.org/policies.html Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/
Re: [css-d] Trouble with table cell/row heights, rowspans IE.
Thanks for the input, Georg! Wish I could say I've solved the problem, but I've only added parts of a workaround for the test case, that may or may not provide you with enough bits for solving a real case... I've also thought about having the image float, but in my limited tests so far, problems arise when there is more than one model in the table (probably should've mentioned that there could be several models in the problem description). I'll test some more though... Any further input would be greatly appreciated. Thanks again, //emil __ css-discuss [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ List policies -- http://css-discuss.org/policies.html Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/
Re: [css-d] Trouble with table cell/row heights, rowspans IE.
Hi Mathew. I think the problem is due to the way you are laying out this design. In my view it's not semantically correct to be using tables. Instead, for each product model I would make two columns using divs, one for the pictures the other for the info. I see where you're coming from, but I actually very much see this as tabular data. It has headings for each column and repeating chunks of information related to the headings etc. I probably should've mentioned that there can be several models in the table, too. Also, unfortunately, the design/layout is not for me to change, I just convert it to html/css... If I mark it up as divs + a dl for the articles, I lose the relationship between the column headings and the data, the drawing and the rest of the model info etc... So I would very much define this as a table. But thath's not to say that I haven't considered converting it into a more simple but less semantically meaningful markup. ;-) //emil __ css-discuss [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ List policies -- http://css-discuss.org/policies.html Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/
[css-d] another site check please...
At the moment the site is in a subdirectory so when you click back to home you may end up in the current site (Old). Please feel free to have a look, feedback welcome. This is still in work in progress mode, but I want to check for browser compatibility. There is a min height command on some of the pages (as the client couldn't supply any more copy). I have tested this in Firefox 2.0 (Mac and PC), Safari (Mac) and Opera (Mac). Also this has been validated for xhtml, though the CSS flagged up unsupoorted Min Height for Safari 2.0?? Not sure what I can do about that.. Here is the Link http://www.coloursense.net/testfolder/ Thanks... -- Rob Freeman [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ css-discuss [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ List policies -- http://css-discuss.org/policies.html Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/
Re: [css-d] Where does the large gap come from please?
Hi Matt On 03/02/2008, Matthew Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In both cases it appears that a br/ is the problem. This br/ is adding more than one line of space because it is between two block-level elements (a heading and a parragraph) that have vertical margins. The total space created is one line break from the br/ plus the bottom margin of the above heading, plus the top margin of the parragraph below. This adds up to about 3 lines not the expected 1. Without the br/ the upper and lower margins collapse together leaving about 1 line of space. Thanks for the help. For all the looking I couldn't see the br /! Rather anoying. -- Kind regards Rich http://www.cregy.co.uk Embracing what God does for you is the best thing you can do for him. Romans 12 v 1 __ css-discuss [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ List policies -- http://css-discuss.org/policies.html Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/
[css-d] multiple dropdowns on same page
I have a page that needs to use the son of suckerfish dropdowns in 2 locations. I am also implementing the javascript that makes them keyboard accessible. In FF and IE7, the 2nd set of drop downs work although not from the keyboard. In IE6, they don't work at all. Can someone please take a look and see if they can see the problem? Bear in mind I have no control over either the design or site architecture. This is what I have to work with. Any help will be greatly appreciated. The page can be viewed at http://www.cherylamato.com/mhcc/ TIA Cheryl __ css-discuss [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ List policies -- http://css-discuss.org/policies.html Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/
Re: [css-d] multiple dropdowns on same page
Cheryl Amato wrote:
I have a page that needs to use the son of suckerfish dropdowns in 2
locations. I am also implementing the javascript that makes them
keyboard accessible. In FF and IE7, the 2nd set of drop downs work
although not from the keyboard. In IE6, they don't work at all. Can
someone please take a look and see if they can see the problem?
...
The page can be viewed at http://www.cherylamato.com/mhcc/
The first navigation has an id=nav.
The second one does not.
Your scripts are looking for an element with the id=nav.
The first script emulates a sort of hover for IE6 and below.
sfHover = function() {
var sfEls = document.getElementById(nav).getElementsByTagName(LI);
...
So the second navigation does not work.
The second script seems to make it keyboard accessible
mcAccessible = function() {
var mcEls = document.getElementById(nav).getElementsByTagName(A);
...
But again, the second navigation has nothing to do with it.
Do you have a CSS question? ;)
Ingo
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Re: [css-d] multiple dropdowns on same page
Cheryl Amato wrote: I have a page that needs to use the son of suckerfish dropdowns in 2 locations. I am also implementing the javascript that makes them keyboard accessible. In FF and IE7, the 2nd set of drop downs work although not from the keyboard. In IE6, they don't work at all. Can someone please take a look and see if they can see the problem? Bear in mind I have no control over either the design or site architecture. This is what I have to work with. Any help will be greatly appreciated. The page can be viewed at http://www.cherylamato.com/mhcc/ TIA Cheryl That's a tough one. I am afraid I can offer little more than compassion. But, FWIW, I had relative luck [1] with a single item drop down in IE using this method [2], but have never tried setting it in two different locations on the same page. And also luck with TJK's [3], keyboard friendly (and considerably more complicated), drop down in IE. I have yet to have any success with the suckerfish, and gave up trying long ago. [1] http://www.chelseacreekstudio.com/ca/cssd/un/ [2] http://sperling.com/examples/menuv/ [3] http://www.tjkdesign.com/articles/keyboard_friendly_dropdown_menu/default.asp -- http://chelseacreekstudio.com/ __ css-discuss [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ List policies -- http://css-discuss.org/policies.html Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/
Re: [css-d] css menu text misplaced
Shanna Korby wrote: The text in each link is at the top of the 'box'. How do I move the text down without moving the a:focus background? http://korbyimagery.com/ab/ Did not test it in IE, but setting a line-height of 30px on li or a should move the text down, at least in Firefox. Ingo -- http://www.satzansatz.de/css.html __ css-discuss [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ List policies -- http://css-discuss.org/policies.html Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/
Re: [css-d] Three column variable width columns with padding
Hi Matthew, Hi Aaron, I have made a quick layout for you based on my 'Perfect 3 column liquid layout'. Here is the link: http://matthewjamestaylor.com/blog/perfect-3-column-thirds.htm Let me know how you go. Thanks, okay I have whitled it down a bit to the essentials :- http://www.aarongray.org/Examples/CSS/ThreeColumnVariableWidthColumns.html The CSS it totally weird, how did you derive it ? Aaron - Matt =) Matthew James Taylor http://matthewjamestaylor.com - Original Message - From: Aaron Gray [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: css-d@lists.css-discuss.org Sent: Saturday, February 02, 2008 7:30 AM Subject: spam: [css-d] Three column variable width columns with padding Hi, I am after a format that has three variable with columns of 33% with padding on either side of each column. Many thanks in advance, Aaron __ css-discuss [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ List policies -- http://css-discuss.org/policies.html Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/
Re: [css-d] multiple dropdowns on same page
Cheryl Amato wrote: I have a page that needs to use the son of suckerfish dropdowns in 2 locations. I am also implementing the javascript that makes them keyboard accessible Ingo Chao wrote: The first navigation has an id=nav. The second one does not... It seems the problem was in the javascript, not the csds. I find that if I add another set of functions using the id mainnav everything works fine. Not the most elegant solution but it does work. And this mess is only on the homepage. I will continue to work on the javascript to condense it. Thanks. Cheryl Thanks for pointing me to where the error was. __ css-discuss [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ List policies -- http://css-discuss.org/policies.html Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/
[css-d] Noob with float/div problems
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[css-d] Noob with float/div problems
Hello Arlen.
You wrote CSS for what I was hoping to accomplish
#banner { padding: 3px; text-align: center; width: 858px; height:
53px; border: 3px double black;}
#banner img { float: right; }
#banner img#logo { float: left; }
#banner p { margin: 0; padding: 0; font-weight: bold; font-size: 110%;}
I will be trying to see what this does with some adjustments, thanks but please
clarify
you show #banner each line. Is there a reason other than MY future reference?
Also if reference in a stylesheet is to an img should that preface the #name-ie
img#name.
Thanks
Ken
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[css-d] Crashing IE7 with CSS a.k.a. IE7 doesn't like button[value]
Hello, all. A few days ago, while testing for coherence in a webpage, IE7 crashed on me. I've isolated the offending code here: http://www.mundoplus.tv/atnbueno/ie7crash.html After a few tests (actually, a lot of them) I've found it's simply more of IE lack of support for the button tag. No CSS applied to button[value] is shown, and any value for value crashes (closes down) the current IE window. So remember, don't style with the button[value] selector. The problem is understandable. I mean, button came out with HTML 4.0 in 1997 and MS still hasn't been able to make it work correctly [1]. How can we expect to be able to add CSS to it? :D On Monday I'm adding a Using IE7? Don't click here link to my homepage :D :D :D [1] http://www.peterbe.com/plog/button-tag-in-IE -- Regards, Antonio http://www.mundoplus.tv/ Televisión por satélite en España __ css-discuss [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ List policies -- http://css-discuss.org/policies.html Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/
[css-d] padding problems in IE6
Hello, I have put together a photo collection based on the tutorial in More Eric Meyer on CSS. So it should work, right? Well it does in Safari 3.0 and Firefox 2.0(mac) but in IE6 the padding seems to be off. The individual divs for each image are behaving correctly but the images inside each div are off center to the left while the titles for each image (in the same div) are off center to the right. Actually, the title problem shows up in all browsers - i just used a negative left margin to center it - but even that doesn't work in IE. Is it my math or IE weirdness? Here are the relevant links: http://www.newmoonfarm.net/albumFarm.html http://www.newmoonfarm.net/CssFiles/nmf08.css And a little problem with FireFox: On this page: http://www.newmoonfarm.net/Farm-pages/Image2.html I have arrow gifs used as background images in paragraph tags. Safari and Explorer (even IE5mac) expand the block to encompass the gifs but Firefox does not. I've had to add a bunch of nbsp's to get the gifs to show. What am I doing wrong here? The styles for these pages are labeled Photo Album styles on the style sheet. Thank you all so much for being willing to help beginners like me. Regards, juli zanocco __ css-discuss [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ List policies -- http://css-discuss.org/policies.html Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/
Re: [css-d] padding problems in IE6
Juli Zanocco wrote:
Hello,
I have put together a photo collection based on the tutorial in More
Eric Meyer on CSS. So it should work, right? Well it does in
Safari 3.0 and Firefox 2.0(mac) but in IE6 the padding seems to be
off. The individual divs for each image are behaving correctly but
the images inside each div are off center to the left while the
titles for each image (in the same div) are off center to the right.
Actually, the title problem shows up in all browsers - i just used a
negative left margin to center it - but even that doesn't work in IE.
Is it my math or IE weirdness?
http://www.newmoonfarm.net/albumFarm.html
It's More IE weirdness :-)
Adding...
.pic {overflow-x: hidden;}
...will fix it by killing IE6' auto-expansion bug.
The addition of...
.pic ul {padding: 0!important;}
...will correct the title and probably remove the cause for
auto-expansion.
regards
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[css-d] Background in IE doesn't appear..
The below snip works in FF Opera to provide a graded background. IE
ignores it and provides a white background only.
Appreciate any hints as to cause here as it's slowly driving me nuts
Thanks
John
ps appears at http://www.32sss.org.au
html, body {
font-size:18px;
font-size-adjust:none;
font-stretch:normal;
font-style:normal;
font-variant:normal;
font-weight:bold;
line-height:normal;
margin:0;
padding:1%;
background:
url(http://www.32smallshipsqn.org.au/Graphics/grade.jpg)repeat-x top left;
}
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Re: [css-d] Stylesheet just for Safari
...Safari is displaying a tag differently than Firefox. How would you
embed a separate style sheet for Safari into a webpage?
...
The body:first-of-type hack works, for example:
#leftmenu {position:absolute;top:189px; left:50px;}
body:first-of-type #leftmenu {top:187px;}
(The second line is read only by Safari.)
But after I went through my code a few more times I wound up not needing it.
Nancy
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Re: [css-d] Background in IE doesn't appear..
John Leishman wrote:
The below snip works in FF Opera to provide a graded background. IE
ignores it and provides a white background only.
Appreciate any hints as to cause here as it's slowly driving me nuts
Thanks
John
ps appears at http://www.32sss.org.au
html, body {
font-size:18px;
font-size-adjust:none;
font-stretch:normal;
font-style:normal;
font-variant:normal;
font-weight:bold;
line-height:normal;
margin:0;
padding:1%;
background:
url(http://www.32smallshipsqn.org.au/Graphics/grade.jpg)repeat-x top left;
}
In the last rule, in the above ruleset, leave a space between -- )repeat --.
The last rule should look like this:
html, body {
background:url(http://www.32smallshipsqn.org.au/Graphics/grade.jpg) repeat-x
top left;
}
You have some markup and CSS validation errors you may want to correct.
Best wishes for your mission, Major Tom.
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Re: [css-d] padding problems in IE6
On Feb 4, 2008, at 4:53 AM, Juli Zanocco wrote:
And a little problem with FireFox:
On this page: http://www.newmoonfarm.net/Farm-pages/Image2.html
I have arrow gifs used as background images in paragraph tags.
Safari and Explorer (even IE5mac) expand the block to encompass the
gifs but Firefox does not. I've had to add a bunch of nbsp's to get
the gifs to show. What am I doing wrong here?
Firefox 2 doesn't support 'display:inline-block', and treats your
links as inline elements; in that case 'width' (and 'height') is not
applied (correct).
A better solution for those links is to drop the specified width
completely, and use padding-left/padding-right to create a space for
the background image.
e.g.
.previous {
display: inline-block; /* Fx2 won't understand this, but in htis case
it doesn't matter much */
padding-left: 50px;/* wider than the image */
margin-right:5px;
background: url(../images/previousarrow.gif) no-repeat 0 2px;
/* adjust padding-top and padding-bottom to taste */
}
This also has the advantage of being much more friendly for font-
resizing.
Philippe
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Re: [css-d] Using CSS to control PDF for print
Hi, thanks for your responses. Here's the problem: I have a well styled page, table, links, italics, bold, etc, everything looks good. But after I convert it into PDF (using Coldfusion), the table (which was styled with single border), now has the ugly double borders; some text formatted in italic or bold has bad spacing issue, they seem to be overprinting or otherwise leaving big gap between them. Could this be a CSS problem or CF problem? Thanks. On Sat, Feb 2, 2008 at 9:12 AM, Michael Adams [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Fri, 01 Feb 2008 18:46:35 +1100 Chang Huang wrote: Hi all, I've been reading about how to use CSS to control the layout of a web for print, I wonder is there's a optimum way to style a web-generated PDF for print. I've been googling it for a while but with no success. Can anyone point me to the right direction please? Also one thing that is so glaring that you probably have not failed to notice. PDFs created on the fly on the server are dependent on the fonts on the server, if it isn't on the server it can't get embedded. Web pages created in HTML are dependent on the fonts at the client. -- Michael All shall be well, and all shall be well, and all manner of things shall be well - Julian of Norwich 1342 - 1416 __ css-discuss [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ List policies -- http://css-discuss.org/policies.html Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/ -- Chang Huang __ css-discuss [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ List policies -- http://css-discuss.org/policies.html Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/
