Re: [css-d] Yet another RTL bug?

2008-06-04 Thread Sharon Go
Thanks for looking into it, Jukka!

 Looks like a nasty bug. Setting margins and things like that don't seem
 to fix it.

Yes, yet it works fine in IE6... And I was always under the impression
that IE had good support for RTL formatting...

 Well, CSS has nothing to do with the _problem_, since the demo page does
 not have any CSS. But I guess you're asking whether CSS could be used to
 develop a _workaround.

Yes, sorry, I wasn't clear in my request... :o)

 How about a workaround that removes the html scrollbars and sets
 scrollbars for body?

This actually works great, but when the page is too short, the
scrollbars are a bit too high up the viewport. I was currently trying
to see if I can get a liquid cell to form scrollbars when the table
overspills the viewport... :-S

Once again, thanks so much for looking into it, Jukka!

- Sharon
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Re: [css-d] Writing CSS articles in English: site structure issues

2008-06-04 Thread Richard Grevers
On 6/1/08, Gabriele Romanato [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Yesterday I've finished to write my first CSS article in English.
  This is the first of a series of articles that I'm going to _deliver_ in the
  next fall or something.
  I've a problem with my site structure.
  As some of you know, a page named /articoli.html already exists.
  My site is static, so I've the following options:

  1. add a link to /articoli.html  articles.html
  2. create a /en section
  3. create a third-level domain
  4. rebuild my site navigation

  so:

  1. most probable. do you think English/American/Foreign people  will have
  some problems with finding it on Google?
  2. this doesn't fit to the rest...
  3. expensive!
  4. baaz! I'm too lazy *^.^*

I would opt for an /en section - it gives you the most flexiblity,
especially if you have the same article in multiple languages. It is
reasonable that the default language of the site doesn't have /it, and
if you come up with a language-based navigation management as the site
grows, you can always create a redirect from /it to / if that assists
automated generation of links.

-- 
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Dramatic Design www.dramatic.co.nz
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Re: [css-d] linking an entire td

2008-06-04 Thread Bobby Jack
--- Scott Haneda [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 How can I link and entire td in a table?  I can only
 seem to get it to  
 work if I set an explicit height, which in this
 case, I do not know  
 ahead of time

As you suggest / fear, I don't think this is possible.
Setting height: 100% to the 'a' will only have an
effect if its containing block (i.e. the 'td') has an
explicitly set height (see
http://www.w3.org/TR/REC-CSS2/visudet.html#propdef-height).
I'm sure there's a good reason for this.

Can you not have your dynamic image generation script
also setting the table cell's height?

- bobby


  
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[css-d] problems with rollovers on dropdowns

2008-06-04 Thread Rebecca Richter
My navigation with dropdowns is giving me some issues:

In FF, looks generally o.k., but hovering on the dropdown list items adds in
some undesireable margins and padding, though I can't find where those are
in the CSS. IE 7 shows many more problems. Too much padding above
smallnav, dropdowns on nav appear too high, and rollovers are not clean,
margin of the first navigation item should be against left edge.

Help!

-Becca

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Re: [css-d] problems with rollovers on dropdowns

2008-06-04 Thread David Laakso
Rebecca Richter wrote:
 My navigation with dropdowns is giving me some issues:

 Help!

 -Becca
   



I think you'll need to provide a clickable link to it.

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[css-d] problems with rollovers on dropdowns

2008-06-04 Thread Rebecca Richter
Sorry, here's the link:
http://www.blackfootchallenge.org/rebeccatest/homepage1_test.html 

My navigation with dropdowns is giving me some issues:

In FF, looks generally o.k., but hovering on the dropdown list items adds in
some undesireable margins and padding, though I can't find where those are
in the CSS. IE 7 shows many more problems. Too much padding above
smallnav, dropdowns on nav appear too high, and rollovers are not clean,
margin of the first navigation item should be against left edge.

Help!

-Becca

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Re: [css-d] linking an entire td

2008-06-04 Thread Rob Emenecker
  How can I link and entire td in a table?  I can only seem 
 to get it to 
  work if I set an explicit height, which in this case, I do not know 
  ahead of time
 
 As you suggest / fear, I don't think this is possible.
 Setting height: 100% to the 'a' will only have an effect if 
 its containing block (i.e. the 'td') has an explicitly set 
 height (see 
 http://www.w3.org/TR/REC-CSS2/visudet.html#propdef-height).
 I'm sure there's a good reason for this.

If you set the a element to display:block is the above still true? (I've
not tested it, just wonder alound.)

...Rob E.

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[css-d] :: List item images flickering in IE-6 ::

2008-06-04 Thread Amrinder
Hi!

I have finished with my layout and found problem with IE6. The page is 
www.awayback.com/aitt/about.html On the left side I have used the background 
images as bullets. The bullet images are applied 'a' tag which resides inside 
'li' tag.

The code is: 

.about .col-1 { width: 210px; }
.about .col-1 ul li { display: inline;}
.about .col-1 ul li a {
 display: block;
 padding: 5px 0 5px 20px;
 border-bottom: 1px solid #ccc;
 background: url(../images/bullet_abt_aitt.gif) no-repeat 5px center;
}

Please help me with this and also why is this happening.
Kind Regards,

Amrinder
Freelance Web Designer
www.awayback.com 
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Re: [css-d] linking an entire td

2008-06-04 Thread Bobby Jack

--- Rob Emenecker [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:

   How can I link and entire td in a table?  I can
 only seem 
  to get it to 
   work if I set an explicit height, which in this
 case, I do not know 
   ahead of time
  
  As you suggest / fear, I don't think this is
 possible.
  Setting height: 100% to the 'a' will only have
 an effect if 
  its containing block (i.e. the 'td') has an
 explicitly set 
  height (see 
 

http://www.w3.org/TR/REC-CSS2/visudet.html#propdef-height).
  I'm sure there's a good reason for this.
 
 If you set the a element to display:block is the
 above still true? (I've
 not tested it, just wonder alound.)
 
 ...Rob E.

Unfortunately, yes. The spec says so.

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[css-d] Target IE7? Or Something Better?

2008-06-04 Thread Chris Akins
Regarding this site and CSS:

www.springfieldmo.gov/founders/
www.springfieldmo.gov/css/founders.css

The issue:

In IE7 only, the menu images are 9px too high, apparently needing the same
9px margin-top as on these items as IE6 did.  But my IE6 rule below isn't
seen by IE7.  The relevant CSS from the full stylesheet is below.  Should I
add a third, IE7-only rule somehow to the #navListHor img rules below?  Or
is something in my original CSS below flawed to begin with?

I'm late to the IE7 game, so I'm not sure if it should now be acting much
like FIrefox, but with this rule it definitely isn't.
I'm just trying to find where the ultimate fault lies and how to address it
best.

ul#navListHor {padding:0px; margin:0; margin-left:170px;
list-style-type:none; margin-top:9px;}

#navListHor li {float:left; margin-right:10px;}
#navListHor img {border:none; margin-top:0;}
* html #navListHor img {border:none; margin-top:9px;}

Thanks, as always, to the great minds on this list!

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[css-d] Rendering Flash Object within a list.

2008-06-04 Thread Sohail Aboobaker
Hi,

 

Is it possible to render a flash movie as a line element in an unordered
list or as a detail description in a definition list? If so, what would be
the markup and accompanying CSS styles for achieving this?

 

Regards,

Sohail Aboobaker. 

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[css-d] drop-down navigation (not hovering in IE)

2008-06-04 Thread Ryan Oswald
Hi,
I'm having trouble with this css drop-down/hover menu.
Its working perfect in firefox and safari, but will not show up in
IE 6  7. You can see it here: http://www.ozworkz.com/delnorte/temp/

The drop-down is only on the Locations menu item.
The drop-down would not show up at all in any browsers until I added the
z-index: 99; to the css.

Here is the css for the menu: (I'm sure its not the most efficient,  
but I'm just trying to get it to work at this point).
view the full css here: http://www.ozworkz.com/delnorte/temp/style.css

also I've set it up so that when the text-size in the browser is  
increased, the menu stays in tact (the background images appear the  
same).
if that makes sense.

/* NAVIGATION */

#nav ul {
margin: 0;
padding: 8px 5px 0 15px;
height: 27px;
list-style: none;
background: url(images/menu-left.gif) 0 0 no-repeat;
float: right;
}

#nav li {
display: inline;
margin: 0;
padding: 0;
list-style-type: none;
text-align: center;
}

/* Home Home
___*/

.home {
padding: 4px 12px;

}

a.home {
font-family: Trebuchet MS;
font-size: 1.3em;
font-weight: bold;
color: #750C10;
text-decoration:none;
}

a.home:active {
text-decoration:none;
}

a.home:hover {
color: #FFF;
text-decoration: none;
}

/* Locations   Locations
___*/

.locations {
padding: 6px 15px;
}

a.locations {
font-family: Trebuchet MS;
font-size: 1.3em;
font-weight: bold;
color: #750C10;
text-decoration:none;
}

a.locations:active {
text-decoration:none;
}

a.locations:hover {
color: #FFF;
text-decoration: none;
}

#nav ul .secondlist { /* second-level lists */
position: absolute;
background: #BDA989;
border: 2px solid #7F2E14;
width: 145px;
height: auto;
margin:4px 0 0 50px;
padding: 0;
z-index: 99;
left: -999em;
}

#nav ul .secondlist a {
text-decoration: none;
display: list-item;
background: none;
padding: 5px 0;
color: #51432D;
font-size: 1.0em;
font-weight: bold;
}

#nav .secondlist li a:hover {
background: #7F2E14;
color: #FFF;
}

#nav li:hover ul, #nav li.sfhover ul {
left: auto;
}

/* Information   Information
___*/

.information {
padding: 4px 15px;
}

a.information {
font-family: Trebuchet MS;
font-size: 1.3em;
font-weight: bold;
color: #750C10;
text-decoration:none;
}

a.information:active {
text-decoration:none;
}

a.information:hover {
color: #FFF;
text-decoration: none;
}

/* Photos   Photos
___*/

.photos {
padding: 4px 15px;
}

a.photos {
font-family: Trebuchet MS;
font-size: 1.3em;
font-weight: bold;
color: #750C10;
text-decoration:none;
}

a.photos:active {
text-decoration:none;
}

a.photos:hover {
color: #FFF;
text-decoration: none;
}

/* Contact   Contact
___*/

.contact {
padding: 4px 15px;
}

a.contact {
font-family: Trebuchet MS;
font-size: 1.3em;
font-weight: bold;
color: #750C10;
text-decoration:none;
}

a.contact:active {
text-decoration:none;
}

a.contact:hover {
color: #FFF;
text-decoration: none;
}

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Re: [css-d] :: List item images flickering in IE-6 ::

2008-06-04 Thread Bill Brown
 .about .col-1 { width: 210px; }
 .about .col-1 ul li { display: inline;}
 .about .col-1 ul li a {
  display: block;
  padding: 5px 0 5px 20px;
  border-bottom: 1px solid #ccc;
  background: url(../images/bullet_abt_aitt.gif) no-repeat 5px center;
 }


Hi Amrinder,

I'm on my Ubuntu system at the moment, so I haven't verified this, but 
it would seem you are experiencing a background image caching bug in 
IE6. To fix this, I place this on all my sites:

!--[if IE 6]
script type=javascript/css src=link/to/fixIeBgFlicker.js/script
![endif]--

and I have this auto-running script in a separate file 
(fixIeBgFlicker.js) in my javascript folder:

/**
  * Fixes Background Caching for Internet Explorer 6
  */
(function fixIeBgFlicker () {
// object detection
   var  m = document.uniqueID   //   IE
  document.compatMode // =IE6
  !window.XMLHttpRequest  // =IE6
  document.execCommand ;  //   IE
   try {
 if (!!m) {
   m(BackgroundImageCache, false, true) // = IE6 only
 }
   } catch (oh) {};
// This is only for testing and confirmation.
// When you know it is loading and running, delete this altogether.
   alert('fixIeBgFlicker loaded');
})();

Technically, the object detection component is unnecessary in your case 
since you are using no other javascript and can therefore get by using 
conditional comments. I left it in because I often merge my js into a 
single file to trim http requests and often forget to pull this out into 
a separate file for IE6/conditional comment loading. Feel free to pare 
it down if you wish.

Hope it helps!
Bill Brown
TheHolierGrail.com
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Re: [css-d] :: List item images flickering in IE-6 ::

2008-06-04 Thread Bill Brown
 .about .col-1 { width: 210px; }
 .about .col-1 ul li { display: inline;}
 .about .col-1 ul li a {
  display: block;
  padding: 5px 0 5px 20px;
  border-bottom: 1px solid #ccc;
  background: url(../images/bullet_abt_aitt.gif) no-repeat 5px center;
 }


Hi Amrinder,

I'm on my Ubuntu system at the moment, so I haven't verified this, but 
it would seem you are experiencing a background image caching bug in 
IE6. To fix this, I place this on all my sites:

!--[if IE 6]
script type=javascript/css src=link/to/fixIeBgFlicker.js/script
![endif]--

and I have this auto-running script in a separate file 
(fixIeBgFlicker.js) in my javascript folder:

/**
  * Fixes Background Caching for Internet Explorer 6
  */
(function fixIeBgFlicker () {
// object detection
   var  m = document.uniqueID   //   IE
  document.compatMode // =IE6
  !window.XMLHttpRequest  // =IE6
  document.execCommand ;  //   IE
   try {
 if (!!m) {
   m(BackgroundImageCache, false, true) // = IE6 only
 }
   } catch (oh) {};
// This is only for testing and confirmation.
// When you know it is loading and running, delete this altogether.
   alert('fixIeBgFlicker loaded');
})();

Technically, the object detection component is unnecessary in your case 
since you are using no other javascript and can therefore get by using 
conditional comments. I left it in because I often merge my js into a 
single file to trim http requests and often forget to pull this out into 
a separate file for IE6/conditional comment loading. Feel free to pare 
it down if you wish.

Hope it helps!
Bill Brown
TheHolierGrail.com
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[css-d] Where to put the width?

2008-06-04 Thread Josh Rehman
I'm currently working with code that has a table based layout. It's also 
templated such that peices of a page are in seperate physical files. Its 
difficult for me to do things like widen a column because the width of 
the column is specified 3 or 4 times, like this (pseudo-code):

table width=200px
cell width=200px
table width=200px
div width=200px

...and so on.

Now it seems that the innermost width takes precedence. So that if the 
outermost table width were to be changed to 100px, the rendering would 
not change.

So I guess I have two questions: first, is it true that the innermost 
width always takes precedence, or is there a more subtle rule that my 
tests have not revealed? Second, what is the best policy to specify 
widths to avoid redundancy - specify only the innermost width, or only 
the outermost width?

Thanks!
- Josh

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Re: [css-d] problems with rollovers on dropdowns

2008-06-04 Thread David Laakso
Rebecca Richter wrote:
 http://www.blackfootchallenge.org/rebeccatest/homepage1_test.html 

 My navigation with dropdowns is giving me some issues:

 In FF, looks generally o.k., but hovering on the dropdown list items adds in
 some undesireable margins and padding, though I can't find where those are
 in the CSS. IE 7 shows many more problems. Too much padding above
 smallnav, dropdowns on nav appear too high, and rollovers are not clean,
 margin of the first navigation item should be against left edge.

 Help!

 -Becca

   



Difficult to shove 5lbs of apples in a 3lb bag.

If you are up for it, I'd suggest splitting the one bank of 9 links into 
two banks.  It will, at least,  give  users the ability to scale the 
fonts just a little before the whole thing turns into an explosion in a 
jigsaw puzzle factory.
This [1] seems to be working, more or less, in IE/6  IE/7, Safari, and 
Mac FF. The menus are a spin on this [2], rather than the menu you used.

[1] http://www.chelseacreekstudio.com/ca/cssd/e.html
[2] http://sperling.com/examples/menuh/


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Re: [css-d] Site check please...

2008-06-04 Thread Rob freeman
on the Order, FAQ and Contact US pages the leftcolumn-two div
contains a child div called post which has some padding. This
shifts all content down and across, not sure if this is intentional.

lister



2008/6/3 Michael Adams [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
 On Tue, 03 Jun 2008 12:22:49 -0700 (PDT)
 Raven Gildea wrote:

  Hi all,
 
  May I request a site check please? It all looks okay
 on my own Mac
  and PC
  browsers, but I'd like to hear of any weirdness you
 might see that I
  don't:
 
  http://www.sweetlorrainebakeshop.com/
 
  Thanks very much!
  Lorraine


 Hi Lorraine:

 I'm seeing two small issues in IE5/Mac. On the home
 page, I'm getting little square blocks in front of the
 apostrophes in I've and don't in the lower
 righthand column. Source in IE5/Mac shows this:

 pThese are the BEST cupcakes I?'ve ever had.br /

 pI don'?t want any other chocolate chip cookies
 after having yours.br /

 while source in Safari shows I've and don't without
 the question marks.

 I don't know why. Anyone?


 Also in Mozilla on Linux. I originally thought it was UTF-8 chars in a
 non UTF-8 page. But both your HTTP header and page Content-Type declare
 UTF-8. The validator spits on these \xA9 characters as well.

 http://validator.w3.org/check?uri=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.sweetlorrainebakeshop.com%2Fcharset=%28detect+automatically%29doctype=Inlinegroup=0ss=1verbose=1

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Re: [css-d] Target IE7? Or Something Better?

2008-06-04 Thread David Laakso
Chris Akins wrote:
 Regarding this site and CSS:

 www.springfieldmo.gov/founders/
 www.springfieldmo.gov/css/founders.css

 The issue:

 In IE7 only, the menu images are 9px too high,..
   


Mac OS X 10.4.11 (Parallels XP IE).

With your page in IE/7, IE/6, and Mac/FF adjacent to adjacent to each 
other, I see no difference in the position of the horizontal list 
marker. Someone with win/XP or win/2000 /may/ see a difference.


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Re: [css-d] Target IE7? Or Something Better?

2008-06-04 Thread Melbeach
 Regarding this site and CSS:

 www.springfieldmo.gov/founders/
 www.springfieldmo.gov/css/founders.css

 The issue:

 In IE7 only, the menu images are 9px too high, apparently needing the same
 9px margin-top as on these items as IE6 did.

Chris,
I'm seeing no difference whatsoever with IE6 and FF on XP SP1 and also IE7 on
XP SP3.
-Melbeach


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Re: [css-d] Target IE7? Or Something Better?

2008-06-04 Thread Bill Brown
 I'm late to the IE7 game, so I'm not sure if it should now be acting much
 like FIrefox, but with this rule it definitely isn't.
 I'm just trying to find where the ultimate fault lies and how to address it
 best.

Chris,

Tests on IE7/Vista and Firefox/Ubuntu 8.04 side-by-side show identical
or nearly identical presentations, and certainly no flaws. Am I missing
something or have you already fixed this for IE7?

Nice looking site, including back to the root home page. Great work.

Incidentally, are you going to the National Association of Government
Webmasters in Chicago this September (http://www.nagw.org)? Zoe
Gillenwater is presenting a two-hour conference session on CSS and I am
presenting a four-hour pre-conference session on Advanced CSS.

Anyway, hope that helps.
Bill Brown
TheHolierGrail.com
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[css-d] IE Margin Issues

2008-06-04 Thread David Terrell
Hello All,

I have an issue with a negative margin in IE. I have
this site set up so that the navigation falls back on
top of the header as seen in this capture:

http://www.lyramid.com/test/Assets/Images/navigationcapture.png

This displays fine in all browsers but IE. Here's what
it looks like:

http://www.lyramid.com/test/Assets/Images/navigationcapture_gap.png

I've searched through the archive and google
extensively and I can't find an answer. Any help would
be appreciated.

The site:

http://www.lyramid.com/test

The css:

http://www.lyramid.com/test/gelrilla_styles.css

Thank you for your time.


  
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[css-d] IE and img trouble

2008-06-04 Thread christopher
Hi everyone. I just discovered this list through
hotdesign.com/seybold/32online.html. I've been
maintaining websites for a little while now and I'm
also interested in FreeBSD and OSS programming.

I've got a question about a layout I'm doing in which I
keep getting the background color poking out between
the images I'm using. I'm not sure why this is, and
it's only in Internet Explorer (opera and firefox
display it with out this). I know that the background
is poking out of the bottom of the image, if that
matters.

Here's the link to the page
w3.coh.arizona.edu/aas/new_aas

The layout is tableless, but I had tried it with tables
too and the same thing was happening. I would guess it
has something to do with text spacing, but I've messed
with it, and I can't figure it out. Does anyone know
how to eliminate it?

Basically I want the images to be displayed seemlessly.
I know that I could just photoshop them, but since
there is going to be a lot more to this template, I
want to figure out how to get rid of that gray
background popping through.

Thanks ~ Chris

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Re: [css-d] IE and img trouble

2008-06-04 Thread David Laakso
christopher wrote:
 I've got a question about a layout I'm doing in which I
 keep getting the background color poking out between
 the images I'm using. 


 w3.coh.arizona.edu/aas/new_aas


 Thanks ~ Chris

   




Add this to close the gap in IE/6 and IE/7:
img {vertical-align:bottom;}


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