Re: [css-d] Email Virus
I checked (and deleted) my e-mail after work and went to bed at 9:30 am Monday morning. When I got up at 3:30 pm I had more than 800 undeliverable or returned mail messages that had accumulated in my inbox--most with attachments in the original. Up until this, the most I would see is 30 or so messages. Is this situation related? Christopher - Christopher Douris Newmarket, Ontario [EMAIL PROTECTED] - - Original Message From: Terri Houston [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: css-d@lists.css-discuss.org Sent: Tuesday, June 17, 2008 12:50:14 AM Subject: [css-d] Email Virus This is kinda off topic, but very important. I'm getting email viruses, and I think it's from this forum. An attachment is with every email I get. Of course, I haven't opened any of them. Anyone else with this problem. Anyone know how to stop this? Please do not remove this email, everyone needs to see it. Terri __ css-discuss [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ List policies -- http://css-discuss.org/policies.html Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/ __ css-discuss [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ List policies -- http://css-discuss.org/policies.html Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/
Re: [css-d] Email Virus
It's not for me to say on this forum what's right and wrong, but IMO it's very much off-topic and should be dealt with privately. If you really feel that this forum's at fault, may I suggest taking it up with the List Administrator. However, it's almost certain that the forum itself is not generating 'bad' messages. Now to go against my own comment. Nobody else seems to be getting 'bad' messages from this forum. My emails are heavily filtered, but I will always get a report if anything's amiss, and I have not had even one bad one. :-) You do have adequate anti-virus software don't you? g Feel free to email me privately if I can help. Regards, Alan. www.theatreorgans.co.uk www.virtualtheatreorgans.com Admin: ConnArtistes, UKShopsmiths, 2nd Touch A-P groups Shopsmith 520 + bits Flatulus Antiquitus - Original Message - From: Christopher Douris To: Terri Houston ; css-d@lists.css-discuss.org Sent: Tuesday, June 17, 2008 7:59 AM Subject: Re: [css-d] Email Virus I checked (and deleted) my e-mail after work and went to bed at 9:30 am Monday morning. When I got up at 3:30 pm I had more than 800 undeliverable or returned mail messages that had accumulated in my inbox--most with attachments in the original. Up until this, the most I would see is 30 or so messages. Is this situation related? Christopher - Christopher Douris Newmarket, Ontario [EMAIL PROTECTED] - - Original Message From: Terri Houston [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: css-d@lists.css-discuss.org Sent: Tuesday, June 17, 2008 12:50:14 AM Subject: [css-d] Email Virus This is kinda off topic, but very important. I'm getting email viruses, and I think it's from this forum. An attachment is with every email I get. Of course, I haven't opened any of them. Anyone else with this problem. Anyone know how to stop this? Please do not remove this email, everyone needs to see it. Terri __ css-discuss [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ List policies -- http://css-discuss.org/policies.html Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/
Re: [css-d] ie6 - long border on two page, not on rest
Stuart King wrote:
http://www.phiferpavittwine.com
On the index.htm and winetasting notes pages the line that separates the
about and wine column with the mailing list and contact column is much
longer that it should be. It is fine on all the other pages, hm. I am
confused.
On all other browers (mac) it is fine, just ie6 for windows.
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a:hover {display:inline;./*add*/}
a:visited { display:inline;/*add*/}
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Re: [css-d] Email Virus
yes, sounds very similar. I had this virus 2 weeks ago, and had over 100 emails in a short period of time, not 800 though. every email has an attachment. I was also getting lots of blank emails, blank in both subject and from lines, and blank bodies. I just contracted this virus again last night and overnight got around 10 emails. I can't remember how i got rid of it before. I downloaded one or 2 free email virus protectors and did a system restore. Don't remember which one worked. If you find the solution, please let me know. Terri www.ttcollectiblegifts.com - Original Message - From: Christopher Douris [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Terri Houston [EMAIL PROTECTED]; css-d@lists.css-discuss.org Sent: Tuesday, June 17, 2008 2:59 AM Subject: Re: [css-d] Email Virus I checked (and deleted) my e-mail after work and went to bed at 9:30 am Monday morning. When I got up at 3:30 pm I had more than 800 undeliverable or returned mail messages that had accumulated in my inbox--most with attachments in the original. Up until this, the most I would see is 30 or so messages. Is this situation related? Christopher - Christopher Douris Newmarket, Ontario [EMAIL PROTECTED] - - Original Message From: Terri Houston [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: css-d@lists.css-discuss.org Sent: Tuesday, June 17, 2008 12:50:14 AM Subject: [css-d] Email Virus This is kinda off topic, but very important. I'm getting email viruses, and I think it's from this forum. An attachment is with every email I get. Of course, I haven't opened any of them. Anyone else with this problem. Anyone know how to stop this? Please do not remove this email, everyone needs to see it. Terri __ css-discuss [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ List policies -- http://css-discuss.org/policies.html Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/ __ css-discuss [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ List policies -- http://css-discuss.org/policies.html Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 8.0.100 / Virus Database: 270.3.0/1505 - Release Date: 6/16/2008 7:20 AM __ css-discuss [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ List policies -- http://css-discuss.org/policies.html Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/
Re: [css-d] Email Virus
This is kinda off topic, but very important. I'm getting email viruses, and I think it's from this forum. An attachment is with every email I get. Of course, I haven't opened any of them. Anyone else with this problem. Anyone know how to stop this? Please do not remove this email, everyone needs to see it. I haven't recd any virus emails in quite awhile. I'm using Roadrunner and downloading emails right to my computer. So unlike people that use Yahoo email or something similar, my emails aren't prescreened for viruses. At least not that I know of. If my email account was being pegged with virus emails, Norton AV would be picking them up. Keep in mind though that I joined this list only recently - May 28. -Melbeach __ css-discuss [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ List policies -- http://css-discuss.org/policies.html Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/
Re: [css-d] Email Virus
I have a special email set up for web development through Gmail and have been on several lists for a number of years. I have not received any virus laden emails that I know of. Nancy On Tue, Jun 17, 2008 at 8:30 AM, Melbeach [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This is kinda off topic, but very important. I'm getting email viruses, and I think it's from this forum. An attachment is with every email I get. Of course, I haven't opened any of them. Anyone else with this problem. Anyone know how to stop this? Please do not remove this email, everyone needs to see it. I haven't recd any virus emails in quite awhile. I'm using Roadrunner and downloading emails right to my computer. So unlike people that use Yahoo email or something similar, my emails aren't prescreened for viruses. At least not that I know of. If my email account was being pegged with virus emails, Norton AV would be picking them up. Keep in mind though that I joined this list only recently - May 28. -Melbeach __ css-discuss [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ List policies -- http://css-discuss.org/policies.html Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/ __ css-discuss [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ List policies -- http://css-discuss.org/policies.html Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/
Re: [css-d] Email Virus
I have been a member of this list for quite awhile (over 2 years I think) and I can say that I am not getting any virus e-mail's from this list. My mail is not pre-filtered for virus's, would it be possible to have one of these attachments forwarded directly to me? I'm not worried about virus's since I'm on a Mac and would be willing to take a look at it and see if I can figure out what it is. On Jun 17, 2008, at 8:30 AM, Melbeach wrote: This is kinda off topic, but very important. I'm getting email viruses, and I think it's from this forum. An attachment is with every email I get. Of course, I haven't opened any of them. Anyone else with this problem. Anyone know how to stop this? Please do not remove this email, everyone needs to see it. I haven't recd any virus emails in quite awhile. I'm using Roadrunner and downloading emails right to my computer. So unlike people that use Yahoo email or something similar, my emails aren't prescreened for viruses. At least not that I know of. If my email account was being pegged with virus emails, Norton AV would be picking them up. Keep in mind though that I joined this list only recently - May 28. -Melbeach __ css-discuss [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ List policies -- http://css-discuss.org/policies.html Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/ -- Jason Pruim Raoset Inc. Technology Manager MQC Specialist 3251 132nd ave Holland, MI, 49424-9337 www.raoset.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ css-discuss [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ List policies -- http://css-discuss.org/policies.html Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/
Re: [css-d] Email Virus
What this sounds like to me is that a spammer harvested your email address and has spoofed it and sent out his or her spam emails. You are probably getting the bounce back/undeliverable notices. But yes, it is off-topic and I am as guilty. -- Thanks! Jeff Christopher Douris [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: = I checked (and deleted) my e-mail after work and went to bed at 9:30 am Monday morning. When I got up at 3:30 pm I had more than 800 undeliverable or returned mail messages that had accumulated in my inbox--most with attachments in the original. Up until this, the most I would see is 30 or so messages. Is this situation related? Christopher - Christopher Douris Newmarket, Ontario [EMAIL PROTECTED] - - Original Message From: Terri Houston [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: css-d@lists.css-discuss.org Sent: Tuesday, June 17, 2008 12:50:14 AM Subject: [css-d] Email Virus This is kinda off topic, but very important. I'm getting email viruses, and I think it's from this forum. An attachment is with every email I get. Of course, I haven't opened any of them. Anyone else with this problem. Anyone know how to stop this? Please do not remove this email, everyone needs to see it. Terri __ css-discuss [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ List policies -- http://css-discuss.org/policies.html Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/ __ css-discuss [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ List policies -- http://css-discuss.org/policies.html Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/ __ css-discuss [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ List policies -- http://css-discuss.org/policies.html Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/
Re: [css-d] ie6 - long border on two page, not on rest
Thank you . . .
I tried that and this did not work, the graphic on the hover was on top of
the text and the spacing on #right_corner fluxuated. This is frustrating
because all the other pages are fine.
--s
On Tue, Jun 17, 2008 at 3:05 AM, David Laakso [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
Stuart King wrote:
http://www.phiferpavittwine.com
On the index.htm and winetasting notes pages the line that separates the
about and wine column with the mailing list and contact column is much
longer that it should be. It is fine on all the other pages, hm. I am
confused.
On all other browers (mac) it is fine, just ie6 for windows.
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a:visited { display:inline;/*add*/}
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Re: [css-d] ie6 - long border on two page, not on rest
Stuart King wrote:
http://www.phiferpavittwine.com
Add a 'hasLayout' trigger to the relevant elements...
#left_corner ul li,
#right_corner ul li,
#left_corner ul li a,
#right_corner ul li a {
height: 1%;}
...and IE6 will render as intended.
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Re: [css-d] ie6 - long border on two page, not on rest
From: Stuart King [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.phiferpavittwine.com On the index.htm and winetasting notes pages the line that separates the about and wine column with the mailing list and contact column is much longer that it should be. It is fine on all the other pages, hm. The reason you're seeing the problem on some pages and not others is that you have style sheets on each page, and there are different values for some things, depending on the page being viewed. (For example: paragraph margins, widths, top property offsets, align attributes in the HTML.) Georg has supplied you with the hasLayout fix. It's missing on the problem pages, but exists on the other ones. Do you really want to maintain a style sheet for each page? ~holly __ css-discuss [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ List policies -- http://css-discuss.org/policies.html Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/
Re: [css-d] ie6 - long border on two page, not on rest
Style sheets - This is a problem I am struggling with. What do you do when different pages have slightly different layouts and positioning? Do you have one style sheets that you maintain externally or several? Are there any articles on this or do you have some insight? thank you. --s On Tue, Jun 17, 2008 at 9:04 AM, Holly Bergevin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Stuart King [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.phiferpavittwine.com On the index.htm and winetasting notes pages the line that separates the about and wine column with the mailing list and contact column is much longer that it should be. It is fine on all the other pages, hm. The reason you're seeing the problem on some pages and not others is that you have style sheets on each page, and there are different values for some things, depending on the page being viewed. (For example: paragraph margins, widths, top property offsets, align attributes in the HTML.) Georg has supplied you with the hasLayout fix. It's missing on the problem pages, but exists on the other ones. Do you really want to maintain a style sheet for each page? ~holly __ css-discuss [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ List policies -- http://css-discuss.org/policies.html Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/
[css-d] Semantic headlines and image replacement
Hi list! Here's one I have been pondering lately... What's the consensus on handling graphic headlines? Designers here love their custom font headlines, so I am always dealing with how to handle them. Usually, it's just the graphic in a div with a proper alt/title but I have been wondering about CSS image replacement. You know, the 'ol h1 with text negative-margined to the next zip code and a graphic headline as a background image. Is this pretty much common place? What's really the best way to deal with graphic headlines. Semantics, and all. Yes, I know, don't use them - use text. But seriously, we all know that's just 'perfect world' stuff... 'round here, it usually graphics rule. Got any resources? Thanks! -- Tom Livingston | Senior Interactive Developer | Media Logic | ph: 518.456.3015x231 | fx: 518.456.4279 | mlinc.com __ css-discuss [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ List policies -- http://css-discuss.org/policies.html Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/
Re: [css-d] ie6 - long border on two page, not on rest
On Tue, Jun 17, 2008 at 9:04 AM, Holly Bergevin [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
The reason you're seeing the problem on some pages and not others is that
you have style sheets on each page, and there are different values for some
things, depending on the page being viewed.
Do you really want to maintain a style
sheet for each page?
From: Stuart King [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Style sheets - This is a problem I am struggling with. What do you do when
different pages have slightly different layouts and positioning? Do you have
one style sheets that you maintain externally or several? Are there any
articles on this or do you have some insight?
Stuart,
Uniquily identifying each page by using an ID attribute in the opening body
tag, will allow you to write selectors for individual pages that require slight
differences, without requiring separate style sheets for each page.
Your individual pages are identified in the HTML:
body id=about
body id=wines
etc. for the individual pages.
Then in your style sheet you can write:
#about p {margin: 0 0 12px;}
#wines p {margin: 0;}
and so on, for any element that needs some different styling for only a single
page. If it's needed on more than one page, you'd write something like:
#about #left_center,
#wines #left_center {top: 99px;}
to target more than one page with the same change.
This way, you can have one basic external style sheet (as opposed to embedded
style sheets on each page as you have now) that will have styles covering most
things, with a few special selectors that target only the things that need to
be different on one page, but not another.
~holly
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Re: [css-d] ie6 - long border on two page, not on rest
Stuart King wrote: Style sheets - This is a problem I am struggling with. What do you do when different pages have slightly different layouts and positioning? Do you have one style sheets that you maintain externally or several? Are there any articles on this or do you have some insight? thank you. --s Hi Stuart, You can ofcourse maintain stylesheets externally. http://www.w3.org/TR/html401/present/styles.html#style-external Example: head ... LINK href=mystyle.css rel=stylesheet type=text/css media=screen ... /head This way you seperate the styles from the HTML Files and can maintain them in one place. You can add as many stylesheet references as you want that way, in the header section of your HTML/XHTML document. The path to the stylesheet needs to be relative to the HTML/XHTML file, or absolute to the website root Relative: LINK href=../css/mystyle.css rel=stylesheet type=text/css media=screen Absolute: LINK href=/css/mystyle.css rel=stylesheet type=text/css media=screen regards, Jens __ css-discuss [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ List policies -- http://css-discuss.org/policies.html Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/
[css-d] msie7 - position: relative on TD makes it invisible
Hi css-d folks. I have a pretty much average, ordinary table (used for good, semantic, table-ish purposes) on a site I am updating. For some reason, in msie, when I assign a position: relative rule to any of the TD cells, it makes the contents go away - same as if I had put a 'visibility: hidden' rule. I need to do this because there are some little pop-up 'notes' implemented as absolutely-positioned divs that have to be placed relative to the TD's. The page does validate now as 4.0 strict, though the HTML could be prettier. Just wondering if anyone has come across this... I can post a test case if needed. thanks much Sam __ css-discuss [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ List policies -- http://css-discuss.org/policies.html Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/
[css-d] select .ygtvitem elements which do not have a .ygtvchildren ancestor
I am trying to apply special style to all .ygtvitem elements which _do
not_ have a .ygtvchildren ancestor. In CSS, it is easy enough to select
all .ygtvitem elements which _do_ have a .ygtvchildren ancestor:
.ygtvchildren .ygtvitem {
color: red
}
However I cannot figure out how to select those which _do not_ have
a .ygtvchildren ancestor.
For the time being, our workaround is to apply the no .ygtvchildren
ancestor style to all .ygtvitem elements, and a different style to
those .ygtvitem elements which _do_ have a .ygtvchildren ancestor:
.ygtvitem {
color: black
}
.ygtvchildren .ygtvitem {
color: red
}
- however this is not ideal: We do not want to explicitly specify style
for .ygtvitem elements which _do_ have a .ygtvchildren ancestor - we
want then to inherit the cascaded style.
How can I explicitly specify style for only .ygtvitem elements which _do
not_ have a .ygtvchildren ancestor? What is the CSS selector
for .ygtvitem elements which _do not_ have a .ygtvchildren ancestor?
Thanks and best wishes, Jack
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Re: [css-d] ie6 - long border on two page, not on rest
On Tue, 17 Jun 2008 09:41:51 -0700, Stuart King wrote:
Style sheets - This is a problem I am struggling with. What do you do when
different
pages have slightly different layouts and positioning? Do you have one style
sheets
that you maintain externally or several? Are there any articles on this or do
you have
some insight? thank you.
I suggest you add a class to the BODY tag to control page-to-page variations.
To override a rule for just that classed page, simply add the class selector
to the beginning of the rule. Specificity does the rest.
Example:
HTML
body class=wide
CSS
#wrapper #main {
width: 66%;
...
}
.wide #wrapper #main {
width: 100%;
...
}
Cordially,
David
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[css-d] Getting past the IE6 z-index bug
I'm currently in the midst of reinventing the CSS cascading popup menu (with just a hint of javascript to do the show/hide, thanks to IE6's lack of li:hover) and have got it pretty well worked out in Firefox and Safari, but IE6 is killing me with its insistence on hiding bits of the popup behind the subsequent menu items. I've found lots of discussion about this bug via google, but no solutions (or at least none that I've been able to get to work). The test page I've been using to work this out is at http://kuno.sherohman.org/~esper/linktree/menutest.html What do I need to do to get this to render properly in IE6? -- News aggregation meets world domination. Can you see the fnews? http://seethefnews.com/ __ css-discuss [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ List policies -- http://css-discuss.org/policies.html Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/
Re: [css-d] Getting past the IE6 z-index bug
Dave Sherohman wrote: I'm currently in the midst of reinventing the CSS cascading popup menu (with just a hint of javascript to do the show/hide, thanks to IE6's lack of li:hover) and have got it pretty well worked out in Firefox and Safari, but IE6 is killing me with its insistence on hiding bits of the popup behind the subsequent menu items. I've found lots of discussion about this bug via google, but no solutions (or at least none that I've been able to get to work). The test page I've been using to work this out is at http://kuno.sherohman.org/~esper/linktree/menutest.html IE does erroneously establish a stacking context for elements with position:relative without z-index. So in menu systems with position:relative on li, you get lots of stacking contexts, one for each li. The submenu-ul inside the li cannot escape from it, whatever z-index you'd choose. All subsequent li will be placed above the submenu, since these li are coming later in the source. The generic approach to fix that problem is to set position:relative on li:hover only. By doing this, the subsequent li will not be placed above the hovered li in question, because only this li is positioined and gets a higher rank in the painting order. Did you try that? Ingo -- http://www.satzansatz.de/css.html http://www.dolphinsback.com __ css-discuss [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ List policies -- http://css-discuss.org/policies.html Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/
Re: [css-d] Getting past the IE6 z-index bug
(Sorry about the double copy, Ingo. I accidentally replied to sender the first time instead of to list.) On Tue, Jun 17, 2008 at 10:07:57PM +0200, Ingo Chao wrote: All subsequent li will be placed above the submenu, since these li are coming later in the source. Indeed. The generic approach to fix that problem is to set position:relative on li:hover only. By doing this, the subsequent li will not be placed above the hovered li in question, because only this li is positioined and gets a higher rank in the painting order. Did you try that? Not until you suggested it, as all I've read has stated that IE6 only supports :hover on a tags, implying that anything on li:hover would be completely ignored. While this has resolved the z-order issue, it caused a new set of problems: - In IE, the submenus are now positioned absolutely rather than relative to their parent items. Additional spacing (blank lines) has also appeared after submenu items containing a tags.[1] - In Firefox, submenu items now jump to the right when moused over. These changes are currently viewable at the previously-mentioned URL, http://kuno.sherohman.org/~esper/linktree/menutest.html [1] I've determined that the additional spacing is due to my having set display:block on a tags so that the entire line will highlight on mouseover rather than just the text portion. Based on your initial suggestion, I tried moving the background-color change from a:hover to li:hover, but, while IE6 may recognize position:relative in li:hover, changing background-color in li:hover has no apparent effect. Setting display:block only in a:hover was also unsatisfactory, as it led to the gaps appearing on mouseover, causing subsequent menu items to jump around. Setting a's margin, padding, and border to 0 along with display:block produced no discernable change in the undesired spacing. -- News aggregation meets world domination. Can you see the fnews? http://seethefnews.com/ __ css-discuss [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ List policies -- http://css-discuss.org/policies.html Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/
Re: [css-d] Getting past the IE6 z-index bug
Dave Sherohman wrote:
...
The generic approach to fix that problem is to set position:relative on
li:hover only. By doing this, the subsequent li will not be placed
above the hovered li in question, because only this li is positioined
and gets a higher rank in the painting order.
Did you try that?
Not until you suggested it, as all I've read has stated that IE6 only
supports :hover on a tags, implying that anything on li:hover would be
completely ignored.
While this has resolved the z-order issue, it caused a new set of
problems: ...
Sure. But as long as your li keep beeing positioned relatively, the bug
occurs. They /need/ to be positioned relatively when hovered, so your
inline-scripting cannot solve for the problem.
You may have to use suckerfish scripts or alike to have a class .sfhover
to declare li.sfhover {position:relative} for IE.
I did not tell you to remove the relative positioning. I've tried to
explain the mechanism of the bug, and the general workaround.
regards,
Ingo
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Re: [css-d] Getting past the IE6 z-index bug
On Tue, Jun 17, 2008 at 11:26:37PM +0200, Ingo Chao wrote:
The generic approach to fix that problem is to set position:relative on
li:hover only. By doing this, the subsequent li will not be placed
above the hovered li in question, because only this li is positioined
and gets a higher rank in the painting order.
Did you try that?
Not until you suggested it, as all I've read has stated that IE6 only
supports :hover on a tags, implying that anything on li:hover would be
completely ignored.
While this has resolved the z-order issue, it caused a new set of
problems: ...
Sure. But as long as your li keep beeing positioned relatively, the bug
occurs. They /need/ to be positioned relatively when hovered, so your
inline-scripting cannot solve for the problem.
At this point, the only javascript I'm using is to toggle the submenu
visibility:
li
onmouseover=document.getElementById('popuplist').style.visibility='visible'
onmouseout=document.getElementById('popuplist').style.visibility='hidden'
It does not attempt to address z-ordering.
You may have to use suckerfish scripts or alike to have a class .sfhover
to declare li.sfhover {position:relative} for IE.
That sucks (no pun intended)... I was hoping to be able to do this with
no javascript at all, just CSS. I didn't much like needing to do inline
js visibility toggles to make up for IE6's lack of li:hover, but external
libraries? So much for being simple and self-contained.
I did not tell you to remove the relative positioning. I've tried to
explain the mechanism of the bug, and the general workaround.
Based on my understanding of the general workaround, I went from
li
{
white-space: nowrap;
text-align: left;
list-style-type: none;
}
ul.top li
{
position: relative;
background-color: #c0c0c0;
}
to
ul.top li
{
list-style-type: none;
white-space: nowrap;
text-align: left;
background-color: #c0c0c0;
}
ul.top ul li:hover
{
position: relative;
}
I did not remove the relative positioning, I just moved it from li to
li:hover, but this seems to have been sufficient to cause IE to make it
absolute, even when hovering on the li.
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Re: [css-d] Getting past the IE6 z-index bug
Dave Sherohman wrote: The test page I've been using to work this out is at http://kuno.sherohman.org/~esper/linktree/menutest.html What do I need to do to get this to render properly in IE6? A different menu-- one that is known to work cross-browser? Don't know if this will meet your need[1], but I've had success with it for my simple needs: http://sperling.com/examples/menuv/ -- http://chelseacreekstudio.com/ __ css-discuss [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ List policies -- http://css-discuss.org/policies.html Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/
Re: [css-d] Getting past the IE6 z-index bug
Dave Sherohman wrote:
...
I did not remove the relative positioning, I just moved it from li to
li:hover, but this seems to have been sufficient to cause IE to make it
absolute, even when hovering on the li.
Because li:hover is not supported in IE 7.
Therefore, IE 6 does not acknowledge
ul.top ul li:hover{ position: relative; }
at all.
Because of this, the li is never positioned in IE 6 now.
Thats wrong.
It has to be positioned in order to establish the containing block for
the absolutely positioned submenu.
so you need a technique that allows to position the li on hover only.
thats the reason why I brought suckerfish into play.
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Re: [css-d] Semantic headlines and image replacement
Tom Livingston wrote: Got any resources? Thanks! Hi Tom, Here is an interesting artivle by Dave Shea, comparing the current image replacement techniques with their ups and downs. http://www.mezzoblue.com/tests/revised-image-replacement/ The article offers alot and you can find the techniques suited to your needs. regards, Jens __ css-discuss [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ List policies -- http://css-discuss.org/policies.html Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/
Re: [css-d] Semantic headlines and image replacement
Tom Livingston wrote: What's really the best way to deal with graphic headlines. Semantics, and all. Got any resources? Thanks! You might try these lists: http://webdesign-l.com/ -- technical, cultural, political, economic and artistic aspects of web development and design - including mark-up questions http://webstandardsgroup.org. -- for web designers and developers who are interested in web standards (HTML, XHTML, XML, CSS, XSLT etc.) and best practices (accessible sites using valid and semantically correct code). http://lists.evolt.org/ -- anything Web-related -- http://chelseacreekstudio.com/ __ css-discuss [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ List policies -- http://css-discuss.org/policies.html Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/
Re: [css-d] Getting past the IE6 z-index bug
Thanks Ingo, placing position: relative only on the on state fixed that z-index issue for me. Ingo Chao wrote: Dave Sherohman wrote: I'm currently in the midst of reinventing the CSS cascading popup menu (with just a hint of javascript to do the show/hide, thanks to IE6's lack of li:hover) and have got it pretty well worked out in Firefox and Safari, but IE6 is killing me with its insistence on hiding bits of the popup behind the subsequent menu items. I've found lots of discussion about this bug via google, but no solutions (or at least none that I've been able to get to work). The test page I've been using to work this out is at http://kuno.sherohman.org/~esper/linktree/menutest.html IE does erroneously establish a stacking context for elements with position:relative without z-index. So in menu systems with position:relative on li, you get lots of stacking contexts, one for each li. The submenu-ul inside the li cannot escape from it, whatever z-index you'd choose. All subsequent li will be placed above the submenu, since these li are coming later in the source. The generic approach to fix that problem is to set position:relative on li:hover only. By doing this, the subsequent li will not be placed above the hovered li in question, because only this li is positioined and gets a higher rank in the painting order. Did you try that? Ingo __ css-discuss [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ List policies -- http://css-discuss.org/policies.html Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/
Re: [css-d] Getting past the IE6 z-index bug
On Tue, Jun 17, 2008 at 06:03:57PM -0400, David Laakso wrote: Dave Sherohman wrote: The test page I've been using to work this out is at http://kuno.sherohman.org/~esper/linktree/menutest.html What do I need to do to get this to render properly in IE6? A different menu-- one that is known to work cross-browser? Don't know if this will meet your need[1], but I've had success with it for my simple needs: http://sperling.com/examples/menuv/ Thanks for the suggestion. It looks like it will get the job done and pretty much does Just Work, although I really had been hoping to come up with something self-contained and that I understood from front to back, which is why I was rolling my own in the first place. -- News aggregation meets world domination. Can you see the fnews? http://seethefnews.com/ __ css-discuss [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ List policies -- http://css-discuss.org/policies.html Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/
[css-d] DIV Background
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