[css-d] iframes

2009-08-20 Thread Tod
Sorry this might be a little off topic but I'm curious what others are 
doing regarding the use of iframes.

I've always heard they were bad and that the W3C is slowly working on 
phasing them out but google's mixed results don't seem to support that. 
  I don't really use them myself and usually get along just fine with 
straight HTML and CSS but I'm curious to see what others are using.


- Tod


PS:  Not trying to start a flame war, just want to see were the majority 
is sitting and if there is a compelling reason for/against iframes.
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Re: [css-d] iframes

2009-08-20 Thread tedd
At 8:44 AM -0400 8/20/09, Tod wrote:
Sorry this might be a little off topic but I'm curious what others are
doing regarding the use of iframes.

I've always heard they were bad and that the W3C is slowly working on
phasing them out but google's mixed results don't seem to support that.
   I don't really use them myself and usually get along just fine with
straight HTML and CSS but I'm curious to see what others are using.


- Tod

PS:  Not trying to start a flame war, just want to see were the majority
is sitting and if there is a compelling reason for/against iframes.


Tod:

In the past 15 years of coding, I've used iframes maybe twice. It's 
not a staple for me.

Cheers,

tedd


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Re: [css-d] iframes

2009-08-20 Thread Climis, Tim


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Subject: Re: [css-d] iframes

At 8:44 AM -0400 8/20/09, Tod wrote:
Sorry this might be a little off topic but I'm curious what others are
doing regarding the use of iframes.

I've always heard they were bad and that the W3C is slowly working on
phasing them out but google's mixed results don't seem to support that.
   I don't really use them myself and usually get along just fine with
straight HTML and CSS but I'm curious to see what others are using.


- Tod

PS:  Not trying to start a flame war, just want to see were the majority
is sitting and if there is a compelling reason for/against iframes.


Tod:

In the past 15 years of coding, I've used iframes maybe twice. It's
not a staple for me.



I'm with Tedd.  The only time I've used iframes in the last 10 years is while 
working on a Facebook application, where it's practically required.  Otherwise, 
I've been able to accomplish the same things with a php include.

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Re: [css-d] iframes

2009-08-20 Thread Philippe Wittenbergh

On Aug 20, 2009, at 9:44 PM, Tod wrote:

 Sorry this might be a little off topic but I'm curious what others are
 doing regarding the use of iframes.

 I've always heard they were bad and that the W3C is slowly working on
 phasing them out but google's mixed results don't seem to support  
 that.
  I don't really use them myself and usually get along just fine with
 straight HTML and CSS but I'm curious to see what others are using.

1. Did you have a CSS question ? I think this is otherwise _wildly_  
off-topic.
2. iframe is part of html 5 (nested browser context):
http://www.whatwg.org/specs/web-apps/current-work/multipage/embedded-content-0.html#the-iframe-element
 
 
http://dev.w3.org/html5/markup/iframe.html

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Re: [css-d] iframes

2009-08-20 Thread David Laakso
Tod wrote:
 Sorry this might be a little off topic but I'm curious what others are 
 doing regarding the use of iframes.

 I've always heard they were bad and that the W3C is slowly working on 
 phasing them out but google's mixed results don't seem to support that. 
   I don't really use them myself and usually get along just fine with 
 straight HTML and CSS but I'm curious to see what others are using.


 - Tod


 PS:  Not trying to start a flame war, just want to see were the majority 
 is sitting and if there is a compelling reason for/against iframes.
   




There is a compelling reason for/against most anything.
The iframe is alive and well in HTML 5.

















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Re: [css-d] css-d Digest, Vol 81, Issue 17

2009-08-20 Thread ross
I will be away from the office for the two weeks between August, 15 2009 and 
August, 30 2009. If you require immediate assistance, please contact Visual 
Lizard at (204) 957-5520 and follow the voicemail instructions.

Thank you, and I will talk to you when I return.

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Re: [css-d] iframes

2009-08-20 Thread Theresa Mesa
On Aug 20, 2009, at 5:44 AM, Tod wrote:

 Sorry this might be a little off topic but I'm curious what others are
 doing regarding the use of iframes.

 I've always heard they were bad and that the W3C is slowly working on
 phasing them out but google's mixed results don't seem to support  
 that.
  I don't really use them myself and usually get along just fine with
 straight HTML and CSS but I'm curious to see what others are using.


 - Tod


Here's Google's thoughts about iFrames:

http://www.google.com/support/webmasters/bin/answer.py?hl=enanswer=34445

Just because it's supported by W3C doesn't mean it's search engine- 
friendly. W3C and Google are two separate entities. And that's why  
it's wildly off-topic for CSS. How CSS helps or hinders your search  
engine results is a topic for another mailing list or forum.


Theresa





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Re: [css-d] IE7 issue / divs overlapping

2009-08-20 Thread Paul Farnell
On 18 Aug 2009, at 15:25, David Laakso wrote:

 Put it on a public server and provide a clickable link to it in your
 post to the list.


Alternatively, post your question on doctype.com :)

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Re: [css-d] Fwd: Image Background

2009-08-20 Thread Tom Livingston
On Wed, Aug 19, 2009 at 5:27 PM, Victor Subervivictorsube...@gmail.com wrote:
 Are you suggesting something like this?

 #container {
 width: 780px;
 font-family: Arial;
 font-size: 0.8em;
 background: url(../images/bgimage.jpg) repeat-y 50% 10%;
 border: 1px solid #e6930f;
 }

 img #container {background: url(image/bgimage.jpg) repeat-y 50% 10%;}

 If so, what do I do about the width variable, toss it out and add a border:
 10px instead?
 TIA,
 Victor

Maybe I am not understanding what you want. Are you looking for, for
example, an image of an ornate picture frame that would surround an
image? Not sure a background-image is the answer in this case unless
the dimensions are fixed.

If you are talking about just a patterned, decorative background-image
for behind an image, it's more like:

#container {
width: 780px;
font: .8em Arial;
background: url(../images/bgimage.jpg) repeat 0 0;
padding: 10px;
}

div id=container
img src=myimage width=760 height=xxx /
/div

Again, maybe I am way off base here...

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Re: [css-d] Weird margin/padding issue with Firefox + Linux

2009-08-20 Thread Rebecca Gessler
Sorry, the page address is here:
http://www.northsalemny.org/comprehensive-plan/comprehensive-plan-home

On Thu, Aug 20, 2009 at 12:37 PM, Rebecca Gesslertechni...@gmail.com wrote:
 Hi everyone,
 I have been doing some extended testing on my website, and have found
 that it works in IE6/7/8, Firefox (Win/Mac), Chrome, Safari (Win/Mac)
 but now Linux is causing problems! The left nav and center div just
 shift over to the left and I have no idea why. I found this to happen
 in Firefox on Linux. I know it works in Konqueror on Linux.

 Page:
 http://northsalemny.org/comprehensive-plan/comprehensive-plan-hom

 Here are the pics from Browser shots:
 http://browsershots.org/http://northsalemny.org/comprehensive-plan/comprehensive-plan-home

 If anyone could provide any assistance I would greatly appreciate it.

 Thank you,
 Becky




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Re: [css-d] IE7 issue / divs overlapping

2009-08-20 Thread Alan Gresley
Paul Farnell wrote:
 On 18 Aug 2009, at 15:25, David Laakso wrote:
 
 Put it on a public server and provide a clickable link to it in your
 post to the list.
 
 
 Alternatively, post your question on doctype.com :)
 
 Paul


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problem is much, much better.




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[css-d] Weird margin/padding issue with Firefox + Linux

2009-08-20 Thread Rebecca Gessler
Hi everyone,
I have been doing some extended testing on my website, and have found
that it works in IE6/7/8, Firefox (Win/Mac), Chrome, Safari (Win/Mac)
but now Linux is causing problems! The left nav and center div just
shift over to the left and I have no idea why. I found this to happen
in Firefox on Linux. I know it works in Konqueror on Linux.

Page:
http://northsalemny.org/comprehensive-plan/comprehensive-plan-hom

Here are the pics from Browser shots:
http://browsershots.org/http://northsalemny.org/comprehensive-plan/comprehensive-plan-home

If anyone could provide any assistance I would greatly appreciate it.

Thank you,
Becky
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Re: [css-d] Safari Alignment Problems

2009-08-20 Thread Ecklund, Karen - DNR
Thank you to those who replied with suggestions for my alignment issues in 
Safari...One of my issues has now been resolved.  The other is still a problem:


 http://ua.dnr.wi.gov/wnrmag/testing/20005855.jpg
 BrowserCam screen shot of a Safari 2009 story page
 Problem: all page content is shifted far right and creates a  
 horizontal scroll bar

 Link to CSS:
 http://dnr.wi.gov/wnrmag/css/wnrmag.css

 Link to Live page:
 http://dnr.wi.gov/wnrmag/2009/08/tanager.htm

Additional suggestions very much appreciated!  Karen
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Re: [css-d] Weird margin/padding issue with Firefox + Linux

2009-08-20 Thread Felix Miata
On 2009/08/20 12:37 (GMT-0400) Rebecca Gessler composed:

 I have been doing some extended testing on my website, and have found
 that it works in IE6/7/8, Firefox (Win/Mac), Chrome, Safari (Win/Mac)
 but now Linux is causing problems! The left nav and center div just
 shift over to the left and I have no idea why. I found this to happen
 in Firefox on Linux. I know it works in Konqueror on Linux.

 Page:
 http://northsalemny.org/comprehensive-plan/comprehensive-plan-hom

 Here are the pics from Browser shots:
 http://browsershots.org/http://northsalemny.org/comprehensive-plan/comprehensive-plan-home

I had to search from the homepage to find the URL you probably meant:
http://northsalemny.org/?q=comprehensive-plan/comprehensive-plan-home

The problems are more widespread than you think (not limited to Linux):

openSUSE Linux 11.0:
Firefox 3.5.2:
http://fm.no-ip.com/SS/SC/sc-rebege01.png
Konqueror:
http://fm.no-ip.com/SS/SC/sc-rebege02.png

WinXP:
FF 3.5.2:
http://fm.no-ip.com/SS/SC/sc-rebege03.png
SeaMonkey 1.1.17:
http://fm.no-ip.com/SS/SC/sc-rebege06.png

Mac:
FF 3.5.2:
http://fm.no-ip.com/SS/SC/sc-rebege04.png
Safari 3:
http://fm.no-ip.com/SS/SC/sc-rebege05.png
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Re: [css-d] Safari Alignment Problems

2009-08-20 Thread Tim Snadden

On 21/08/2009, at 6:36 AM, Ecklund, Karen - DNR wrote:

 Thank you to those who replied with suggestions for my alignment  
 issues in Safari...One of my issues has now been resolved.  The  
 other is still a problem:


 http://ua.dnr.wi.gov/wnrmag/testing/20005855.jpg
 BrowserCam screen shot of a Safari 2009 story page
 Problem: all page content is shifted far right and creates a
 horizontal scroll bar

 Link to CSS:
 http://dnr.wi.gov/wnrmag/css/wnrmag.css

 Link to Live page:
 http://dnr.wi.gov/wnrmag/2009/08/tanager.htm

 Additional suggestions very much appreciated!  Karen


Hasn't this already been covered? I seem to remember David Laakso  
suggesting making the table 'clear: both'.
Another fix is...

#hnav { overflow: auto; }

Cheers, Tim
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Re: [css-d] Safari Alignment Problems

2009-08-20 Thread David Laakso
Ecklund, Karen - DNR wrote:
 Thank you to those who replied with suggestions for my alignment issues in 
 Safari...One of my issues has now been resolved.  The other is still a 
 problem:

   
 http://ua.dnr.wi.gov/wnrmag/testing/20005855.jpg
 BrowserCam screen shot of a Safari 2009 story page
 Problem: all page content is shifted far right and creates a  
 horizontal scroll bar
 




Hmm. Seems to work in Safari on this end.
http://chelseacreekstudio.com/ca/cssd/tanager.htm

First selector at very top of style sheet:
table {clear: both;}

http://chelseacreekstudio.com/ca/cssd/tanager_files/wnrmag00.css


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Re: [css-d] Doctype.com - QA site for designers

2009-08-20 Thread Tom Livingston


 Fix me.
 http://chelseacreekstudio.com/ca/cssd/doc.png
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How did you get this display problem to occur??

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[css-d] CSS aesthetic structure

2009-08-20 Thread Tommy Ahlbäck
Hi all,

I have some thoughts regarding the aesthetic structure of CSS that I  
would like to share. It's just something that came to my mind at work  
today, nothing more, nothing less..

When using descendant selectors many of us write our code like below.

#nav-main {
property: value
}

#nav-main ul {
property: value
}

#nav-main ul li {
property: value
}

#nav-main ul li a {
property: value
}

I have no problem with that, but it would be much easier to see the  
hierarchy if it would be possible to write nested code more like a js,  
as, php etc function. That way we wouldn't have to repeat #nav-main  
before the nested selectors all the time. Look at the example below. I  
mean, it's quite obvious that ul and li is descendant from #nav-main.

Like I said before, this was just something that came to my mind. I  
haven't gave this much thought. There's probably tons of disadvantages  
that I haven't think of. I just can't let go of the beauty in the  
visual structure. Well, that is my opinion ofcourse. :) First thing  
would be to make the rendering engine to understand that there can be  
a selector in the same area as the property.

So, what do you think?

#nav-main {
property: value;

ul {
property: value;

li {
property: value;

a {
property: value;
}
}
}
}




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[css-d] Hover usually works but not always

2009-08-20 Thread christianz
On a site I am building at:

http://www.murphytx-online.com/murphy/

when you hover over top navigation list items that have submenus those submenus 
usually come into view but every once in a while they do not. When I have the 
CSS rule in place that clearly states that the submenus are supposed to appear 
when their parent element is hovered over I'm not sure how to tell it to make 
it work all of the time. Seems like I have done everything I can. Any help 
would be appreciated. The project manager thinks that because this quirky 
behavior is happening that he has clearly hired somebody who doesn't know what 
they are doing.

P.S. I might (emphasis on might) replace the functionality of the navigation 
but this is the second style I have tried and the same problem existed in the 
first style. Also, the same problem exists whether or not the jQuery fade-in 
effect is turned off or on.
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Re: [css-d] Hover usually works but not always

2009-08-20 Thread Tim Snadden

On 21/08/2009, at 8:23 AM, christi...@netscape.net wrote:

 On a site I am building at:

 http://www.murphytx-online.com/murphy/

 when you hover over top navigation list items that have submenus  
 those submenus usually come into view but every once in a while they  
 do not. When I have the CSS rule in place that clearly states that  
 the submenus are supposed to appear when their parent element is  
 hovered over I'm not sure how to tell it to make it work all of the  
 time. Seems like I have done everything I can. Any help would be  
 appreciated. The project manager thinks that because this quirky  
 behavior is happening that he has clearly hired somebody who doesn't  
 know what they are doing.

 P.S. I might (emphasis on might) replace the functionality of the  
 navigation but this is the second style I have tried and the same  
 problem existed in the first style. Also, the same problem exists  
 whether or not the jQuery fade-in effect is turned off or on.

I turned off javascript and was not able to reproduce the problem so  
I'd suggest that it's not a CSS problem and that you try asking on a  
jquery, javascript or general web dev list.

On the other hand, regarding the CSS, are you aware of how it looks on  
a mac?

http://snadden.com/sandbox/murphy.png

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Re: [css-d] Hover usually works but not always

2009-08-20 Thread David Hucklesby
Tim Snadden wrote:
 On 21/08/2009, at 8:23 AM, christi...@netscape.net wrote:
 
 On a site I am building at:

 http://www.murphytx-online.com/murphy/

[...]
 
 On the other hand, regarding the CSS, are you aware of how it looks on  
 a mac?
 
 http://snadden.com/sandbox/murphy.png
 
---
Adding #header { overflow: hidden; } to the CSS fixed the menu bar 
this end. (Mac browsers.)

Cordially,
David
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Re: [css-d] CSS aesthetic structure

2009-08-20 Thread Alan Gresley
Tommy Ahlbäck wrote:
[...]
 So, what do you think?
 
 #nav-main {
   property: value;
   
   ul {
   property: value;
 
   li {
   property: value;
   
   a {
   property: value;
   }
   }
   }
 }
 With Best Regards,
 
 Tommy Ahlbäck



Hello Tommy,

I think that is quite good idea but it doesn't belong on CSS discuss but 
rather the CSS WG list. BTW, this was a huge topic there over a year ago.


http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-style/2008Feb/0133.html


It's called a CSS constant. Noticing that the topic has dried up, maybe 
we will have to wait and hope.


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Re: [css-d] IE7 issue / divs overlapping

2009-08-20 Thread Alan Gresley
CC CSS discuss. More eyes are better than two.

David Gilden wrote:
 Alan,
 
 I have done this and have received no response / suggestions !!!  #see below
 Thx!
 Dave
 
[...]
 #I am trying to create the following layout using only divs
 
 The page looks fine on Mac FireFox / Safari.
 
 However the product area is overlapping the top content area wrapper in IE7 
 (on XP)!
 It does not break at the  productArea div!
 
 Just tried : 
 
 div class=clearernbsp;/div
 !-- prod boxes --
 div id=productArea
 
 div.clearer {clear: both; line-height: 0; height: 0;}
 
 To get the areas not to overlapm, but it still is not working correctly.
 
 
 Photoshop Comp
 http://www.coraconnection.com/web/pals/9080.05-PALS-Comp12.png
 
 Basic Layout: 
 http://www.coraconnection.com/web/css-comp.gif
 
 HTML:
 http://www.coraconnection.com/web/pals/pals_home-4products.htm
 
 CSS:
 http://www.coraconnection.com/web/pals/css/base.css
 
 Also I can't seem to get the search box to look the comp, which is based   
 off apple.com design.
 
 
 Suggestions are welcomed!!!
 
 
 
 Dave Gilden  MCSD // member of American Federation of Musicians Local 72-147
 (kora musician / audiophile / webmaster @ www.coraconnection.com  / Ft. 
 Worth, TX, USA)


Hello Dave,

Maybe this is a little closer.

http://css-class.com/x/pal.htm


Firstly I removed most of the inline style (this should be in the CSS).


div style=float:right;
   div class=productBox style=float:left; margin-right:1em;
 img src=images/trakPAL.png style=position: relative; top:0; 
left:20px; margin: 1em; /
 img src=images/trackPalMap.png  style=float:left; clear:right; 
position: relative; top:4px; left:4px; /
   /div

   div class=productBox style=float:right;
 img src=images/emotiPAL.png style=position: relative; top:0; 
margin: 1em; /
 img src=images/palsIcon.png style=float:left; clear:right; 
position: relative; top:4px; left:4px; /
   /div
/div


Leaving this.

div
   div class=productBox
 img src=images/trakPAL.png /
 img src=images/trackPalMap.png /
   /div

   div class=productBox
 img src=images/emotiPAL.png /
 img src=images/palsIcon.png /
   /div
/div


BTW, you have a div that is doing nothing (it was floating right). I 
see that you have thrown everything at the CSS to repair the damaged 
caused by the inline styles. The major changes in the CSS is this.

#middleColumn  {
   margin-bottom:-130px; /* Added */
}

#productArea {
   /*top:-130px; Deleted */
}

The IE7- bug(s) you encountered are demo'd here.

http://css-class.com/articles/explorer/floats/floatandcleartest1.htm


My question for you. I have outlined (red dots) and layered 
div#middleColumn to show it layered above the lower content. Why does 
the box show an extra 100px of space below the div#blueCallout? There is 
no reason why this should be happening.


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Re: [css-d] suggestions appreciated...

2009-08-20 Thread Alan Gresley
David Laakso wrote:
 G.Sørtun wrote:
 David Laakso wrote:
  I could, and probably will, do this for IE/6: 3. display: none;
 May I recommend:  4. clean sheet for IE6...
 http://www.gunlaug.no/contents/wd_additions_50.html
 ...so as not to discriminate users of such an old browser.

 regards
Georg

 
 
 
 html
 http://chelseacreekstudio.com/dl/
 css
 http://chelseacreekstudio.com/dl/css/
 
 1/ IE/6 has a, more or less, clean-sheet.
 
 2/ Stumped in IE/7.
 
 Compliant browsers get it right -- the fuchsia and green blocks should 
 touch. IE/7 puts a vertical space between them. What to do?
 
 The relevant selectors are: 
 
 #aside (fuchsia border)
 ul#footer (lime border)


Hello David,

That bug is still present. Four clicks this time.

http://css-class.com/x/david/ie6-blank2.png


BTW, what is IE7 not doing right? Maybe using the original demo may help 
IE7 along but with minimum style for IE6 and a nice big sticker saying.

This code is to cool for IE6 ;-)


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Re: [css-d] IE6 problems: positioning and unwanted centering

2009-08-20 Thread Alan Gresley
Kristen Murphy wrote:
 I posted last week and haven't received any responses, so I'm trying  
 again. I would greatly appreciate any advice.
 
 I'm designing a Drupal theme. It looks right in FF, IE7, Safari, and  
 Opera, but I'm seeing the following problems in IE6:
 
 1. The main (horizontal) menu is displaying in the wrong place.
 
 2. There's a blank space between div#main and div#footer.
 
 3. Bizarrely, all of the text is centered!
 
 
 The site is here: http://testdrupal.transformativeworks.org/
 
 CSS: 
 http://testdrupal.transformativeworks.org/sites/all/themes/cavatica/cavatica.css
 
 The PHP page template is not directly accessible from the site, so  
 I've archived a copy here:
 http://purplelagoon.org/Stuff/template.zip
 
 Thanks,
 Kristen Murphy


Hello Kirsten,

Using CSS and HTML frameworks or themes are your biggest problem. 
Secondly, few of us would even dare try to attempt a fix for IE6 when it 
could take *days or weeks to properly de-bug*. Here is my attempt.

http://css-class.com/x/oftw.htm


All I have attempted is to hack IE6 into line. As you can see, IE6 is 
having major problems still. There are quite a few IE6 bugs happening. 
To many to list here but this may be one of them.


http://www.satzansatz.de/cssd/apstaticposition.html


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Re: [css-d] Site Help - Problem with IE7 in some circumstances (on wide monitors)

2009-08-20 Thread Edward Spodick
Hello Alan,

Yes indeed - having a fixed-width centered body tag caused all 
position:relative elements to not reposition when the window was resized.  
Moving those from the body to a container div solved the problem.

-Edward

At 1:11 PM +1000 8/21/09, Alan Gresley wrote:
Hello Edward,

Was this your bug.

http://css-class.com/test/bugs/ie/body-width.htm

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Re: [css-d] suggestions appreciated...

2009-08-20 Thread David Laakso
Alan Gresley wrote:


 Hello David,

 That bug is still present. Four clicks this time.

 http://css-class.com/x/david/ie6-blank2.png

 BTW, what is IE7 not doing right? Maybe using the original demo may 
 help IE7 along but with minimum style for IE6 and a nice big sticker 
 saying.

 This code is to cool for IE6 ;-)








RE: http://chelseacreekstudio.com/dl/


Good morning, Alan...

Yes, I know the bug is still present. Even with feeding the lower IEes 
not much more than content only. It is not so much that the code is too 
cool for IE/6. But rather that IE/6 is a lot like me: too old, too 
tired, and gives-up easily. It tries to find an image. Succeeds, the 
first few times. Then just plain gives up even looking for, much-less 
loading, a new image after the 4th click.

The text-image I am feeding to IE/6 sums it up: 
http://chelseacreekstudio.com/dl/img/common/ie.png

I am not sure what you mean about IE/7. Relatively close to IE/8 on this 
end. Granted the diamonds drop in the list under the text-image 
Portfolio (just haven't gotten to fix that just yet). Perhaps you saw 
it mid-stream --  there was a compound error that did make IE/7 look 
whacked for a while -- but I believe thats been fixed.

I am grateful for your concern and tenacity.

Best,

F. Goudy
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Re: [css-d] Corner Logo Position

2009-08-20 Thread Alan Gresley
sono...@fannullone.us wrote:
 Hello All,
 
   I have a rather strange problem that I can't seem to find a fix for.   
 After I added hmtl to the [html,body] rule, the corner logo now  
 rides on top of the scroll bar of the browser window.  If I remove  
 html from that rule, the logo butts up against but does not cover  
 the scroll bar.  However, when I remove the html, then I end up with  
 blank space between the content and the footer, so it's needed.
 
   I'd actually like the corner logo to stay within, and hug the right  
 side of, the footer instead of the window.  Any ideas?
 
 http://www.superiorshelving.com/mfg/nexel/test/test6.php
 
 .twoColLiqLtHdr #cornerLogo  {
   position: fixed;
   bottom: 0;
   right: 0;
   float: right;
   z-index: 1; }
 
 Thanks,
 Frank


Hello Frank,

Using fixed positioning can cause severe overlapping of contents.

http://css-class.com/x/superior.png


BTW, which logo are you talking about. I think that what you mean is,

html,body {height:100%}

causes the bottom right logo to remain fixed to the viewport where,

body {height:100%}

causes the bottom right logo to scroll. This is correct since the former 
rule causes the body element to fill the entire height of the html 
element since you have later style already.

You have.

#p7swapmenu {
   position:fixed;
}


This causes over halve of the height of this menu to be hidden outside 
the viewport. This one issue alone is causing a lot of other issues to 
present themselves.


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Re: [css-d] Corner Logo Position

2009-08-20 Thread Alan Gresley
sono...@fannullone.us wrote:
 Hello All,
 
   I have a rather strange problem that I can't seem to find a fix for.   
 After I added hmtl to the [html,body] rule, the corner logo now  
 rides on top of the scroll bar of the browser window.  If I remove  
 html from that rule, the logo butts up against but does not cover  
 the scroll bar.  However, when I remove the html, then I end up with  
 blank space between the content and the footer, so it's needed.
 
   I'd actually like the corner logo to stay within, and hug the right  
 side of, the footer instead of the window.  Any ideas?
 
 http://www.superiorshelving.com/mfg/nexel/test/test6.php
 
 .twoColLiqLtHdr #cornerLogo  {
   position: fixed;
   bottom: 0;
   right: 0;
   float: right;
   z-index: 1; }
 
 Thanks,
 Frank


Hello Frank,

Using fixed positioning can cause severe overlapping of contents.

http://css-class.com/x/superior.png


BTW, which logo are you talking about. I think that what you mean is,

html,body {height:100%}

causes the bottom right logo to remain fixed to the viewport where,

body {height:100%}

causes the bottom right logo to scroll. This is correct since the former 
rule causes the body element to fill the entire height of the html 
element since you have later style already.

You have.

#p7swapmenu {
   position:fixed;
}


This causes over halve of the height of this menu to be hidden outside 
the viewport. This one issue alone is causing a lot of other issues to 
present themselves.


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Re: [css-d] IE6 and percentages

2009-08-20 Thread Luc
Hello Philippe, 

It was foretold that
on 19/08/2009 @ 14:54:36 GMT+0900 (which was 02:54:36 where I live)
Philippe Wittenbergh would write:

snipped a bit

Philippe, sorry for the late reply.

Okay, removing the block makes it a bit better in IE6 but triggers
another problem in IE6: when hoving over the thumbnails the whole page
gets shifted.

And i tried the zoom trick but still the big image is distorted.

Guess i'm up against something that's impossible with IE6 ...

http://www.dzinelabs.com/sandbox/GrupoMP/Pages/Frotacop4.html

 Actually, scrap that, you have a little issue with this:
 * html #maincontainer * { position: relative; zoom:1; }
 /* __everything__ has pos. relative */
 remove that block and only apply 'zoom' to specific elements.  

 
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Re: [css-d] Hover usually works but not always

2009-08-20 Thread christianz

On 21/08/2009, at 8:23 AM, christi...@netscape.net wrote:

 On a site I am building at:

 http://www.murphytx-online.com/murphy/

 when you hover over top navigation list items that have submenus  
 those submenus usually come into view but every once in a while they  
 do not. When I have the CSS rule in place that clearly states that  
 the submenus are supposed to appear when their parent element is  
 hovered over I'm not sure how to tell it to make it work all of the  
 time. Seems like I have done everything I can. Any help would be  
 appreciated. The project manager thinks that because this quirky  
 behavior is happening that he has clearly hired somebody who doesn't  
 know what they are doing.

 P.S. I might (emphasis on might) replace the functionality of the  
 navigation but this is the second style I have tried and the same  
 problem existed in the first style. Also, the same problem exists  
 whether or not the jQuery fade-in effect is turned off or on.



 I turned off javascript and was not able to reproduce the problem so  
 I'd suggest that it's not a CSS problem and that you try asking on a  
 jquery, javascript or general web dev list.

 On the other hand, regarding the CSS, are you aware of how it looks on  
 a mac?

 http://snadden.com/sandbox/murphy.png

 Cheers, Tim

Is that a Mac only problem that cannot be replicated on Safari for PC?

Also, has it been fixed now that I added David's CSS fix?

And as far as the nav problem goes I have stated that the problem exists in my 
browsers
(and the client's browsers) even when JavaScript is turned off. But I will try
turning it off again. Thanks for the responses.

Christian




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