Re: [css-d] u/u - why did it have to die?
Ray Costanzo wrote: OK, that's clear. But HTML has never offered an initialism tag, so acronym is still needed. ;-) Actually, an acronym is pronounced as a word, and an initialism is not, as is my understanding. Abbreviation: Mr. Acronym: SCUBA Initialism: FBI On Jan 15, 2010, at 2:10 AM, david gn...@hawaii.rr.com wrote: Chris F.A. Johnson wrote: On Thu, 14 Jan 2010, david wrote: No, an acronym is usually pronounced as individual letters. (Some may be pronounced now as words.) Abbreviations are never pronounced letter-by-letter. Mr. is NOT an acronym, it's an abbreviation. -- David gn...@hawaii.rr.com authenticity, honesty, community __ css-discuss [cs...@lists.css-discuss.org] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ List policies -- http://css-discuss.org/policies.html Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/
[css-d] 4 part question about lining up 'boxes' of information
Forgive my ignorance but i am still completely new to css and yet to complete a whole site using it. I have 4 questions in my search for understanding. The page in question is here: http://www.diabetesflight50.org/test/xhtml/supporters.html css here: http://www.diabetesflight50.org/test/css/mainstyles.css The part i can't get my head round is my css for my supporters content which is at the bottom of the css file. 1. This was the only way i could figure to get the image with text and link in a box which would lie next to each other. Is this the correct way to do it with a float? 2. How can i get the boxes to center in the maincontent div? 3. What do i need to do to get the boxes to flow inside the main content div? 4. My biggest problem i am having with css, is that i know exactly how i want something to look, like in this case i just want a series of boxes lined up next and under each other and centered but then i have no idea how to do it and even less of an idea as to what to google for to point me in the right direction. I don't want to be emailing you all for every little thing that stumps me. Any tips on what to search for on the web for basic layout techniques such as this? Thanks Lisa __ css-discuss [cs...@lists.css-discuss.org] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ List policies -- http://css-discuss.org/policies.html Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/
Re: [css-d] u/u - why did it have to die?
Abbreviation: Mr. Acronym: SCUBA Initialism: FBI I don't see the distinction between acronym (which I understand), and initialism (which sounds like a made up word). Both are acronyms. Acronyms, depending upon the coined usage, is either pronounced as a word or as individual letters. The difference in which, is usually (but not always) based on whether it has a word form to it. APA ... pronounced A-P-A AMPA ... pronounced Am-Pa Both are acronyms as far as I am concerned. Now, I also disagree with the HTML 5 draft to leave out ACRONYM. It is NOT an abbreviation. Not because of pronunciation, but by definition. The pisser is that this was a symantec tag that had merit and meaning in STM publishing. (STM is an acronym that stands for Scientific-Technical-Medical.) Now in most cases, authors in those fields define the acronym at first use. This is specified in most writing style guides. ...Rob Rob Emenecker @ Hairy Dog Digital www.hairydogdigital.com Please note: Return e-mail messages are only accepted from discussion groups that this e-mail address subscribes to. All other messages are automatically deleted. __ css-discuss [cs...@lists.css-discuss.org] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ List policies -- http://css-discuss.org/policies.html Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/
Re: [css-d] u/u - why did it have to die? (OT)
On 2010/01/15 08:37 (GMT-0500) Rob Emenecker composed: Abbreviation: Mr. Acronym: SCUBA Initialism: FBI I don't see the distinction between acronym (which I understand), and initialism (which sounds like a made up word). Both are acronyms. Acronyms, depending upon the coined usage, is either pronounced as a word or as individual letters. The difference in which, is usually (but not always) based on whether it has a word form to it. APA ... pronounced A-P-A AMPA ... pronounced Am-Pa Both are acronyms as far as I am concerned. Now, I also disagree with the HTML 5 draft to leave out ACRONYM. It is NOT an abbreviation. Not because of pronunciation, but by definition. The pisser is that this was a symantec tag that had merit and meaning in STM publishing. (STM is an acronym that stands for Scientific-Technical-Medical.) Now in most cases, authors in those fields define the acronym at first use. This is specified in most writing style guides. This is OT here. OTOH, maybe the HTML5 spec could be changed if this thread were replicated on the public-html-comments mailing list: http://lists.w3.org/ -- Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other. John Adams, 2nd US President Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 Felix Miata *** http://fm.no-ip.com/ __ css-discuss [cs...@lists.css-discuss.org] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ List policies -- http://css-discuss.org/policies.html Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/
Re: [css-d] 4 part question about lining up 'boxes' of information
Lisa Frost wrote: 4. My biggest problem i am having with css, is that i know exactly how i want something to look, like in this case i just want a series of boxes lined up next and under each other and centered but then i have no idea how to do it and even less of an idea as to what to google for to point me in the right direction. I don't want to be emailing you all for every little thing that stumps me. Any tips on what to search for on the web for basic layout techniques such as this? Lisa, some general resources that might be helpful (they helped me): CSS Tutorial http://www.w3schools.com/css/default.asp CSS Reference by Categories of Properties http://www.w3schools.com/css/css_reference.asp CSS Reference - Alphabetical http://www.w3schools.com/css/css_reference_atoz.asp The Box Model http://www.w3schools.com/CSS/css_boxmodel.asp Bill B __ css-discuss [cs...@lists.css-discuss.org] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ List policies -- http://css-discuss.org/policies.html Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/
Re: [css-d] 4 part question about lining up 'boxes' of information
On Jan 15, 2010, at 10:36 PM, Lisa Frost wrote:
The page in question is here:
http://www.diabetesflight50.org/test/xhtml/supporters.html
css here: http://www.diabetesflight50.org/test/css/mainstyles.css
The part i can't get my head round is my css for my supporters content which
is at the bottom of the css file.
1. This was the only way i could figure to get the image with text and link
in a box which would lie next to each other. Is this the correct way to do
it with a float?
It is a good way to handle this. An alternative would be to use
'display:inline-block', but this has poor support in IE 6 and 7; that is
probably something to be concerned about.
2. How can i get the boxes to center in the maincontent div?
That is more tricky. Floated boxes, by definition, go to the left or right side
of the parent box (#maincontent in your case). What you could do is warp all
those .supporters divs in a div, and set a width on that div,
like this:
div class=wrap-my-supporters
div class=supporters/div
div class=supporters/div
...
/div
div.wrap-my-supporters {width: 400px; margin: 0 auto;}
3. What do i need to do to get the boxes to flow inside the main content
div?
google: containing floats.
By definition, floated boxes are taken out of the flow, and don't make the
parent box grow.
http://www.positioniseverything.net/easyclearing.html
has a nice solution, and explanation.
4. My biggest problem i am having with css, is that i know exactly how i
want something to look, like in this case i just want a series of boxes
lined up next and under each other and centered but then i have no idea how
to do it and even less of an idea as to what to google for to point me in
the right direction. I don't want to be emailing you all for every little
thing that stumps me. Any tips on what to search for on the web for basic
layout techniques such as this?
Reading up on CSS will help you a lot.
Reading the specification might sound daunting (it is not a tutorial) but very
informative.
http://www.w3.org/TR/CSS21/
Sitepoint’s collection of articles is probably one of the best references out
there
http://reference.sitepoint.com/css
Oh, and welcome around here. Don't be afraid to ask questions.
Philippe
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Philippe Wittenbergh
http://l-c-n.com/
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Re: [css-d] 4 part question about lining up 'boxes' of information
Lisa Frost wrote: The page in question is here: http://www.diabetesflight50.org/test/xhtml/supporters.html I don't want to be emailing you all for every little thing that stumps me. Why not? That's what CSS-D is for. :-) Floats are not well suited for that kind of line-up. Resize text and even what you have will start looking weird - before becoming unreadable as content overflows the fixed-size boxes. Your case is a perfect job for *CSS Table* ... http://www.w3.org/TR/CSS21/tables.html Example: http://www.gunlaug.no/tos/moa_11g.html ...but IE7 and older won't play ball. They don't support CSS Table and need a lot of proprietary crap in order to render a look-alike... http://www.gunlaug.no/contents/wd_additions_22.html You have other variants, with varying degree of loop-jumping for cross-browser compatibility, on Bruno's site... http://www.brunildo.org/test/ ...look under Centering, Shrink wrapping, Images. Unless you got lots of time to check and fix up things across browser-land, I'll suggest you use a good old HTML Table for line-up of supporters on that page... http://www.w3.org/TR/html401/struct/tables.html Your content will be presented perfectly well in a linearized table, it works in all browsers, and I personally wouldn't bother with anything but an HTML Table for that sort of content in _that_ context. Read up on how to style a table to appear as you want. regards Georg __ css-discuss [cs...@lists.css-discuss.org] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ List policies -- http://css-discuss.org/policies.html Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/
Re: [css-d] u/u - why did it have to die?
A reply that went to me, but probably should have gone to the entire list, or at least the OP... [my lengthy reply on semantic markup] Another reason is that usability-wise, only something that is a link is supposed to be underlined on the web. For a bibliographic reference, perhaps bolding the text instead of underlining it would be a good alternative. Otherwise, you might have people clicking the heck out of an underlined bit of text. Theresa Rather than bold, italics would be a more appropriate alternative. APA (and MLA, and Chicago) style were for the most part designed with typewriters in mind. It was impossible to italicize titles on a typewriter without changing all your keys, so they went with underline instead. But computers don't have that limitation. And, by visiting the APA site, it appears that the style guide finds italicized titles a legitimate and proper substitute for underlining. This would lead to a similar complaint about the removal of i, I'm sure. But the semantic argument still applies. ---Tim __ css-discuss [cs...@lists.css-discuss.org] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ List policies -- http://css-discuss.org/policies.html Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/
[css-d] [OT] RE: u/u - why did it have to die?
initialism |iˈni sh əˌlizəm| noun an abbreviation consisting of initial letters pronounced separately (e.g.,CPU). • an acronym. Okay, I accept that. The earlier post suggested that an initialism was a *different* entity from an acronym. Rather, an initialism is an acronym, but an acronym (based on pronunciation) is not always an initialism. They are not mutually exclusive. Since initialisms are acronyms, the ACRONYM element would still apply to them. :-) Rob Emenecker @ Hairy Dog Digital www.hairydogdigital.com Please note: Return e-mail messages are only accepted from discussion groups that this e-mail address subscribes to. All other messages are automatically deleted. __ css-discuss [cs...@lists.css-discuss.org] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ List policies -- http://css-discuss.org/policies.html Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/
Re: [css-d] [OT] RE: u/u - why did it have to die?
initialism |iˈni sh əˌlizəm| noun an abbreviation consisting of initial letters pronounced separately (e.g.,CPU). • an acronym. Okay, I accept that. The earlier post suggested that an initialism was a *different* entity from an acronym. Rather, an initialism is an acronym, but an acronym (based on pronunciation) is not always an initialism. They are not mutually exclusive. Since initialisms are acronyms, the ACRONYM element would still apply to them. :-) I don't agree. RADAR is an acronym because you're not supposed to spell the letters. CPU is an initialism, because you are supposed to spell the letters. Considering CPU (or else) as both an acronym and initialism would allow two different pronunciations. -- Regards, Thierry | www.tjkdesign.com __ css-discuss [cs...@lists.css-discuss.org] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ List policies -- http://css-discuss.org/policies.html Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/
Re: [css-d] u/u - why did it have to die?
Abbreviation: Mr. Acronym: SCUBA Initialism: FBI I don't see the distinction between acronym (which I understand), and initialism (which sounds like a made up word). Both are acronyms. Acronyms, depending upon the coined usage, is either pronounced as a word or as individual letters. The difference in which, is usually (but not always) based on whether it has a word form to it. APA ... pronounced A-P-A AMPA ... pronounced Am-Pa Both are acronyms as far as I am concerned. FWIW, Grammar Girl did a podcast on this: http://grammar.quickanddirtytips.com/acronyms-grammar.aspx which references: http://juicystudio.com/article/abbreviations-acronyms.php Mark W. __ css-discuss [cs...@lists.css-discuss.org] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ List policies -- http://css-discuss.org/policies.html Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/
Re: [css-d] ADMIN: u/u - why did it have to die?
Hello all, As as been pointed out (including in the subject line of the very message to which I'm responding), this is all off-topic for css-discuss. If anyone is interested in spawning a related thread on the best ways to style 'u' elements, or 'span' elements to simulate (or improve upon) the visual effects of 'u' elements, or something of that sort, go for it! If not, then the thread is over on account of being off-topic. Thank you. -- Eric A. Meyer (http://meyerweb.com/eric/), List Chaperone CSS is much too interesting and elegant to be not taken seriously. -- Martina Kosloff (http://mako4css.com/) __ css-discuss [cs...@lists.css-discuss.org] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ List policies -- http://css-discuss.org/policies.html Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/
