Re: [css-d] image text will not flow upwards
Den 14.02.2014 17:46, skrev da...@higgsy.com: http://problem1.higgsy.com/index4.html My problem is I am trying to get the next image “Any Make, Any Model” and the remaining text block below it, to flow up and sit between the floated elements. If you clean up the source-code (valid HTML always works best) and get rid of all those totally unnecessary divs-around-images and clearing-elements, it will become easy enough to style. This rough clean-up should give you enough to go on... http://www.gunlaug.com/contents/test/Autobarn4%20Index.htm Added styles at the bottom of this stylesheet... http://www.gunlaug.com/contents/test/Autobarn4%20Index_files/main.css regards Georg __ css-discuss [css-d@lists.css-discuss.org] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ List policies -- http://css-discuss.org/policies.html Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/
[css-d] Will the unsemantic HTML elements B and I be soon phased out?
Greetings to all, I know this is highly subjective question, but am curious as to what people think about this issue. Allow me to put forth a few questions, and you can pick all of any of them. When the WHATWG describes the I element as a span of text in an alternate voice or mood, and the B element as a span of text to which attention is being drawn for utilitarian purposes, I'm puzzled... wouldn't this be the role of a special class for the SPAN element? I'm actually glad I and B are survivors, but seeing that U and S have been deprecated, it doesn't seem very consistent to keep these two one-letter elements around. And, going back to my main question, do you believe these two elements will be deprecated soon? Thank you in advance for any thoughts you may have on the matter. Best regards, Ezequiel __ css-discuss [css-d@lists.css-discuss.org] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ List policies -- http://css-discuss.org/policies.html Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/
Re: [css-d] Will the unsemantic HTML elements B and I be soon phased out?
Interesting question. Much as I personally dislike them, web-app editors like tinyMCE and FCK rely on tags like b and i and font color=whatever I don't see why those programs couldn't be re-written to use span style=label:value;. But it would cause some developers to jump around quickly. On Sat, Feb 15, 2014 at 3:47 PM, Ezequiel Garzón garzon.luc...@gmail.comwrote: Greetings to all, I know this is highly subjective question, but am curious as to what people think about this issue. Allow me to put forth a few questions, and you can pick all of any of them. When the WHATWG describes the I element as a span of text in an alternate voice or mood, and the B element as a span of text to which attention is being drawn for utilitarian purposes, I'm puzzled... wouldn't this be the role of a special class for the SPAN element? I'm actually glad I and B are survivors, but seeing that U and S have been deprecated, it doesn't seem very consistent to keep these two one-letter elements around. And, going back to my main question, do you believe these two elements will be deprecated soon? Thank you in advance for any thoughts you may have on the matter. Best regards, Ezequiel __ css-discuss [css-d@lists.css-discuss.org] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ List policies -- http://css-discuss.org/policies.html Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/ -- /* Colin (Sandy) Pittendrigh --oO0 */ __ css-discuss [css-d@lists.css-discuss.org] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ List policies -- http://css-discuss.org/policies.html Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/
Re: [css-d] Will the unsemantic HTML elements B and I be soon phased out?
I agree with Colin...I don't like them either. But, they do remain in HTML5 http://html5doctor.com/i-b-em-strong-element/ Eric On February 15, 2014 at 5:47 PM Ezequiel Garzón garzon.luc...@gmail.com wrote: Greetings to all, I know this is highly subjective question, but am curious as to what people think about this issue. Allow me to put forth a few questions, and you can pick all of any of them. When the WHATWG describes the I element as a span of text in an alternate voice or mood, and the B element as a span of text to which attention is being drawn for utilitarian purposes, I'm puzzled... wouldn't this be the role of a special class for the SPAN element? I'm actually glad I and B are survivors, but seeing that U and S have been deprecated, it doesn't seem very consistent to keep these two one-letter elements around. And, going back to my main question, do you believe these two elements will be deprecated soon? Thank you in advance for any thoughts you may have on the matter. Best regards, Ezequiel __ css-discuss [css-d@lists.css-discuss.org] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ List policies -- http://css-discuss.org/policies.html Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/ __ css-discuss [css-d@lists.css-discuss.org] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ List policies -- http://css-discuss.org/policies.html Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/
Re: [css-d] Will the unsemantic HTML elements B and I be soon phased out?
Don't forget that while W3C may (or may not) decide that B and I are no longer appropriate to keep in the standards, user-agents that maintain compatibility with older standards will continue to work. The elimination of a tag will be a slow process, if it can ever be completed at all; all that promulgation of new standards does is define current best practices, and user-agents that conform to them /without/ continuing to support older practices (I am not aware of /any/ user-agents that actually do this) can do no more than encourage (not mandate) that page editors (both human and software) use the new standards. I happen to favor reducing the use of presentational (as opposed to semantic) tags; the separation of semantics (HTML) from presentation (CSS) made sense to me from the first. The process is an evolving one, though, and sometimes it may not be easy to decide whether a tag should be considered presentational or semantic, or there may be times that it actually makes more sense to keep a presentational tag. Remember, in some parts of the world, IE6 is still a way of life... On Sat, 15 Feb 2014 16:45:34 -0700, Colin (Sandy) Pittendrigh sandy.pittendr...@gmail.com wrote: Interesting question. Much as I personally dislike them, web-app editors like tinyMCE and FCK rely on tags like b and i and font color=whatever I don't see why those programs couldn't be re-written to use span style=label:value;. But it would cause some developers to jump around quickly. On Sat, Feb 15, 2014 at 3:47 PM, Ezequiel Garzón garzon.luc...@gmail.comwrote: Greetings to all, I know this is highly subjective question, but am curious as to what people think about this issue. Allow me to put forth a few questions, and you can pick all of any of them. When the WHATWG describes the I element as a span of text in an alternate voice or mood, and the B element as a span of text to which attention is being drawn for utilitarian purposes, I'm puzzled... wouldn't this be the role of a special class for the SPAN element? I'm actually glad I and B are survivors, but seeing that U and S have been deprecated, it doesn't seem very consistent to keep these two one-letter elements around. And, going back to my main question, do you believe these two elements will be deprecated soon? Thank you in advance for any thoughts you may have on the matter. Best regards, Ezequiel __ css-discuss [css-d@lists.css-discuss.org] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ List policies -- http://css-discuss.org/policies.html Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/ -- /* Colin (Sandy) Pittendrigh --oO0 */ __ css-discuss [css-d@lists.css-discuss.org] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ List policies -- http://css-discuss.org/policies.html Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/ -- Jeff Zeitlin, Editor Freelance Traveller The Electronic Fan-Supported Traveller® Fanzine and Resource edi...@freelancetraveller.com http://www.freelancetraveller.com http://come.to/freelancetraveller http://freelancetraveller.downport.com/ ®Traveller is a registered trademark of Far Future Enterprises, 1977-2009. Use of the trademark in this notice and in the referenced materials is not intended to infringe or devalue the trademark. Freelance Traveller extends its thanks to the following enterprises for hosting services: CyberNET Web Hosting (http://www.cyberwebhosting.net) The Traveller Downport (http://www.downport.com) __ css-discuss [css-d@lists.css-discuss.org] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ List policies -- http://css-discuss.org/policies.html Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/
Re: [css-d] Will the unsemantic HTML elements B and I be soon phased out?
On 2/15/14, 4:40 PM, Eric wrote: I agree with Colin...I don't like them either. But, they do remain in HTML5 http://html5doctor.com/i-b-em-strong-element/ Eric On February 15, 2014 at 5:47 PM Ezequiel Garzón garzon.luc...@gmail.com wrote: Greetings to all, I know this is highly subjective question, but am curious as to what people think about this issue. Allow me to put forth a few questions, and you can pick all of any of them. When the WHATWG describes the I element as a span of text in an alternate voice or mood, and the B element as a span of text to which attention is being drawn for utilitarian purposes, I'm puzzled... wouldn't this be the role of a special class for the SPAN element? I'm actually glad I and B are survivors, but seeing that U and S have been deprecated, it doesn't seem very consistent to keep these two one-letter elements around. And, going back to my main question, do you believe these two elements will be deprecated soon? Speaking for myself, I find the i element particularly useful for marking up words or phrases that are in a different language from surrounding text. An example might be: p ... as well as i lang=lavice versa/i./p Of course, for a language such as Japanese, where italic makes no sense, I'd likely prefer to use a span lang=ja instead. -- Cordially, David __ css-discuss [css-d@lists.css-discuss.org] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ List policies -- http://css-discuss.org/policies.html Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/
Re: [css-d] Will the unsemantic HTML elements B and I be soon phased out?
Le 16 févr. 2014 à 07:47, Ezequiel Garzón garzon.luc...@gmail.com a écrit : I know this is highly subjective question, but am curious as to what people think about this issue. Allow me to put forth a few questions, and you can pick all of any of them. When the WHATWG describes the I element as a span of text in an alternate voice or mood, and the B element as a span of text to which attention is being drawn for utilitarian purposes, I'm puzzled... wouldn't this be the role of a special class for the SPAN element? I'm actually glad I and B are survivors, but seeing that U and S have been deprecated, it doesn't seem very consistent to keep these two one-letter elements around. And, going back to my main question, do you believe these two elements will be deprecated soon? Where do you see that U and S are deprecated? So far, both are still part of the html5 spec, W3C or WHATWG versions. Just as with B and I, their usage is not really recommended though – in most situations. http://www.w3.org/html/wg/drafts/html/CR/text-level-semantics.html#the-u-element http://www.w3.org/html/wg/drafts/html/CR/text-level-semantics.html#the-s-element The spec notes one use case for U: marking up Chinese names in formal language (those are –traditionally– supposed to be underlined). To keep this slightly more on topic: sure you can mark this up with a span class=formal-chinese-names and style as needed (underlined). But suppose the text ‘travels’ and get copy-pasted into another site, including the markup, or the text is picked up by a crawler and displayed elsewhere, either a general purpose one (search-engine) or specialised one. Philippe -- Philippe Wittenbergh http://l-c-n.com __ css-discuss [css-d@lists.css-discuss.org] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ List policies -- http://css-discuss.org/policies.html Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/
Re: [css-d] Will the unsemantic HTML elements B and I be soon phased out?
The way I read the documentation (which could be incorrectly), there is no reason for them to be deprecated as they (i, b, em, strong, etc.) all serve their own semantic purpose. Side note: thank you for bringing up this question, as I don't think I would have read the documentation on these elements otherwise! If we weren't worried about accessibility (how screen readers convey our pages to users, for example) then, arguably, we could wrap everything in span's and div's, because the only reason for any type of enclosures would be stylistic. I know there is a huge, and possibly correct, SEO argument against this, but more and more I'm feeling like properly structured content doesn't play as large a role in SEO as it once did (and for good reason, in my opinion). I try to put out semantic markup because I believe it helps those that don't view content the way I do, view the content. From that perspective, I see those elements as being useful. Just my two cents. On Sat, Feb 15, 2014 at 5:47 PM, Ezequiel Garzón garzon.luc...@gmail.comwrote: Greetings to all, I know this is highly subjective question, but am curious as to what people think about this issue. Allow me to put forth a few questions, and you can pick all of any of them. When the WHATWG describes the I element as a span of text in an alternate voice or mood, and the B element as a span of text to which attention is being drawn for utilitarian purposes, I'm puzzled... wouldn't this be the role of a special class for the SPAN element? I'm actually glad I and B are survivors, but seeing that U and S have been deprecated, it doesn't seem very consistent to keep these two one-letter elements around. And, going back to my main question, do you believe these two elements will be deprecated soon? Thank you in advance for any thoughts you may have on the matter. Best regards, Ezequiel __ css-discuss [css-d@lists.css-discuss.org] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ List policies -- http://css-discuss.org/policies.html Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/ -- Chris Rockwell __ css-discuss [css-d@lists.css-discuss.org] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ List policies -- http://css-discuss.org/policies.html Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/
Re: [css-d] Will the unsemantic HTML elements B and I be soon phased out?
I'll also add, this may be better suited for wha...@lists.whatwg.org On Sat, Feb 15, 2014 at 5:47 PM, Ezequiel Garzón garzon.luc...@gmail.comwrote: Greetings to all, I know this is highly subjective question, but am curious as to what people think about this issue. Allow me to put forth a few questions, and you can pick all of any of them. When the WHATWG describes the I element as a span of text in an alternate voice or mood, and the B element as a span of text to which attention is being drawn for utilitarian purposes, I'm puzzled... wouldn't this be the role of a special class for the SPAN element? I'm actually glad I and B are survivors, but seeing that U and S have been deprecated, it doesn't seem very consistent to keep these two one-letter elements around. And, going back to my main question, do you believe these two elements will be deprecated soon? Thank you in advance for any thoughts you may have on the matter. Best regards, Ezequiel __ css-discuss [css-d@lists.css-discuss.org] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ List policies -- http://css-discuss.org/policies.html Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/ -- Chris Rockwell __ css-discuss [css-d@lists.css-discuss.org] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ List policies -- http://css-discuss.org/policies.html Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/
