[css-d] CSS Shapes
Good morning fellow listers, CSS Shapes. No doubt this will be something I'm asked to do in a page layout soon. I was just watching this demo of a new Chrome extension: http://razvancaliman.com/writing/css-shapes-editor-chrome/ A very handy thing indeed, but... my first thought when seeing the coffee cup layout on that page is how do you provide a fallback for that? Anyone? -- Tom Livingston | Senior Front-End Developer | Media Logic | ph: 518.456.3015x231 | fx: 518.456.4279 | mlinc.com __ css-discuss [css-d@lists.css-discuss.org] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ List policies -- http://css-discuss.org/policies.html Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/
Re: [css-d] CSS Shapes
On Thu, Sep 4, 2014 at 8:32 AM, Tom Livingston tom...@gmail.com wrote: Good morning fellow listers, CSS Shapes. No doubt this will be something I'm asked to do in a page layout soon. I was just watching this demo of a new Chrome extension: http://razvancaliman.com/writing/css-shapes-editor-chrome/ A very handy thing indeed, but... my first thought when seeing the coffee cup layout on that page is how do you provide a fallback for that? Anyone? -- I'll add that it seems like a significant layout change or at least swap images for ones that allow text to run over them and still allow for legibility. I also see modernizr being used as well. Anything else? -- Tom Livingston | Senior Front-End Developer | Media Logic | ph: 518.456.3015x231 | fx: 518.456.4279 | mlinc.com __ css-discuss [css-d@lists.css-discuss.org] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ List policies -- http://css-discuss.org/policies.html Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/
Re: [css-d] CSS Shapes
Le 4 sept. 2014 à 21:32, Tom Livingston tom...@gmail.com a écrit : No doubt this will be something I'm asked to do in a page layout soon. I was just watching this demo of a new Chrome extension: http://razvancaliman.com/writing/css-shapes-editor-chrome/ A very handy thing indeed, but... my first thought when seeing the coffee cup layout on that page is how do you provide a fallback for that? Perhaps this: http://blogs.adobe.com/webplatform/2014/05/12/css-shapes-polyfill/ Also this gallery by the folks who implemented it in WebKit/Bink/Firefox: http://blogs.adobe.com/webplatform/2014/05/13/good-looking-shapes-gallery/ Philippe -- Philippe Wittenbergh http://l-c-n.com/ __ css-discuss [css-d@lists.css-discuss.org] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ List policies -- http://css-discuss.org/policies.html Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/
Re: [css-d] CSS Shapes
On Thu, Sep 4, 2014 at 8:58 AM, Philippe Wittenbergh e...@l-c-n.com wrote: Le 4 sept. 2014 à 21:32, Tom Livingston tom...@gmail.com a écrit : No doubt this will be something I'm asked to do in a page layout soon. I was just watching this demo of a new Chrome extension: http://razvancaliman.com/writing/css-shapes-editor-chrome/ A very handy thing indeed, but... my first thought when seeing the coffee cup layout on that page is how do you provide a fallback for that? Perhaps this: http://blogs.adobe.com/webplatform/2014/05/12/css-shapes-polyfill/ Also this gallery by the folks who implemented it in WebKit/Bink/Firefox: http://blogs.adobe.com/webplatform/2014/05/13/good-looking-shapes-gallery/ Philippe -- Philippe Wittenbergh http://l-c-n.com/ Thanks Philippe. I was hoping it wouldn't be another polyfill. I use picturefill.js (and subsequently matchmedia.js), as I feel it's use is ultimately for the greater good, but I'm not a fan of polyfills. If I can avoid adding any weight, then all the better. I don't use modernizr in every project either - though it's very handy - but shapes seem like a tough thing to do a fallback for without it. A fallback for shapes looks like a bit of work, as opposed to the fallback for rem units, for example. Seems like using modernizr to help you swap images with something that allows legible text to run over it would be simplest. Next would be layout changes, moving the images to another place on the page so the text doesn't crash into it. Obviously it depends on each situation... -- Tom Livingston | Senior Front-End Developer | Media Logic | ph: 518.456.3015x231 | fx: 518.456.4279 | mlinc.com __ css-discuss [css-d@lists.css-discuss.org] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ List policies -- http://css-discuss.org/policies.html Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/
Re: [css-d] CSS shapes
Gabriele Romanato wrote: a little tribute to Tantek and Mark Schenk. enjoy! Fun! Hehe. I like it. Maybe for your next version you could add some colors? These links may help inspire you to create more: http://cssplay.co.uk/menu/cssart.html http://www.tanfa.co.uk/css/borders/ ( About tanfa: a site by SuzyUK. She is admin for the CSS forums found here: http://www.webmasterworld.com/css/ ) I really enjoy out-of-the-box thinking. Keep up the good work. Cheers! :D Micky -- Wishlist: http://snipurl.com/vrs9 Switch: http://browsehappy.com/ BCC?: http://snipurl.com/w6f8 My: http://del.icio.us/mhulse __ css-discuss [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d IE7b2 testing hub -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/?page=IE7 List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/
Re: [css-d] CSS shapes
2006/10/15, Gene Falck [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Hi David, Christian, and Gabriele, Gabriele wrote: http://www.css-zibaldone.com/the-css-switch-project/november-2006/shapes/ a little tribute to Tantek and Mark Schenk. enjoy! ps. I've not specified the exact versions of the various browsers. all apologies. the latest versions, of course. otherwise, as specified. Christian wrote: This keeps cropping up as an amazing new CSS discovery. Can anyone think of a situation where this would be useful? It is like using a lot of HTML, background colours and spacer GIFs to paint an image. This is NOT a discovery. This is only a test. I don't pretend to have made a new discovery. Experiments are not useful strictu sensu. that's the basic difference. I can't ignore this difference. your criticism is very similar to literary criticism: would be this poem useful? utilitarism, I suppose. or marxian criticism: everything should be useful to the underlyining structure of society. otherwise, is useless. on the web, every single layout should be useful. that's the underlyning pragmatism of the WWW. sorry, this is not my point of view. regards, Gabriele -- http://www.css-zibaldone.com/the-css-switch-project/ __ css-discuss [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d IE7b2 testing hub -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/?page=IE7 List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/
Re: [css-d] CSS shapes
Hi Gabriele, I fully endorse your view. Usefulness can be value in many cases, in art and games and in many other situations it isn't. It's not needed either. Happily Leonardo and Michelangelo and Dante had a larger view on life than just usefulness. Erik -Oorspronkelijk bericht- Van: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Namens Gabriele Romanato Verzonden: dimanche 15 octobre 2006 09:55 Aan: Gene Falck CC: css-d@lists.css-discuss.org Onderwerp: Re: [css-d] CSS shapes 2006/10/15, Gene Falck [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Hi David, Christian, and Gabriele, Gabriele wrote: http://www.css-zibaldone.com/the-css-switch-project/november-2006/shapes/ a little tribute to Tantek and Mark Schenk. enjoy! ps. I've not specified the exact versions of the various browsers. all apologies. the latest versions, of course. otherwise, as specified. Christian wrote: This keeps cropping up as an amazing new CSS discovery. Can anyone think of a situation where this would be useful? It is like using a lot of HTML, background colours and spacer GIFs to paint an image. This is NOT a discovery. This is only a test. I don't pretend to have made a new discovery. Experiments are not useful strictu sensu. that's the basic difference. I can't ignore this difference. your criticism is very similar to literary criticism: would be this poem useful? utilitarism, I suppose. or marxian criticism: everything should be useful to the underlyining structure of society. otherwise, is useless. on the web, every single layout should be useful. that's the underlyning pragmatism of the WWW. sorry, this is not my point of view. regards, Gabriele -- http://www.css-zibaldone.com/the-css-switch-project/ __ css-discuss [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d IE7b2 testing hub -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/?page=IE7 List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/ -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.408 / Virus Database: 268.13.4/476 - Release Date: 14/10/2006 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.408 / Virus Database: 268.13.4/476 - Release Date: 14/10/2006 __ css-discuss [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d IE7b2 testing hub -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/?page=IE7 List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/
Re: [css-d] CSS shapes
Gabriele Romanato wrote: http://www.css-zibaldone.com/the-css-switch-project/november-2006/shapes/ Experiments are not useful strictu sensu. that's the basic difference. I can't ignore this difference. your criticism is very similar to literary criticism: would be this poem useful? utilitarism, I suppose. or marxian criticism: everything should be useful to the underlyining structure of society. otherwise, is useless. on the web, every single layout should be useful. that's the underlyning pragmatism of the WWW. sorry, this is not my point of view. Not mine either :-) All tests and experiments that one can derive something useful from - now or later - are, by definition, _useful_. This is true even if the useful part ends up being knowledge about something's lack of usefulness or other shortcomings, so replicating old and useless experiments is a useful timesaver on our way to mastering web design - being it HTML/CSS based or a mix of whatever. It is a fact that many progressive and/or corrective ideas in real world web design are the result of useless experiments - often combined with even more useless experiments. Example: I'd call the following experiment completely useless... http://www.gunlaug.no/contents/wd_demo_float_03.html ...yet I use the methods on display there to get browsers in line - all the time. That experiment also gave me plenty of ideas about when *not* to use those methods, which is a most welcome side-effect. Another useless example: http://www.webstandards.org/files/acid2/test.html ...which parts certainly can be put to good use. So, I rather see more useless tests than fewer on display. They are useful to someone. regards Georg -- http://www.gunlaug.no __ css-discuss [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d IE7b2 testing hub -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/?page=IE7 List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/
Re: [css-d] CSS shapes
2006/10/15, Erik van Dyck [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Hi Gabriele, I fully endorse your view. Usefulness can be value in many cases, in art and games and in many other situations it isn't. It's not needed either. Happily Leonardo and Michelangelo and Dante had a larger view on life than just usefulness. Erik http://www.css-zibaldone.com/the-css-switch-project/november-2006/shapes/ a little tribute to Tantek and Mark Schenk. enjoy! ps. I've not specified the exact versions of the various browsers. all apologies. the latest versions, of course. otherwise, as specified. Christian wrote: This keeps cropping up as an amazing new CSS discovery. Can anyone think of a situation where this would be useful? It is like using a lot of HTML, background colours and spacer GIFs to paint an image. This is NOT a discovery. This is only a test. I don't pretend to have made a new discovery. Experiments are not useful strictu sensu. that's the basic difference. I can't ignore this difference. your criticism is very similar to literary criticism: would be this poem useful? utilitarism, I suppose. or marxian criticism: everything should be useful to the underlyining structure of society. otherwise, is useless. on the web, every single layout should be useful. that's the underlyning pragmatism of the WWW. sorry, this is not my point of view. regards, Gabriele thank you so much for the endorsement. as I said before, ars gratia artis. bye ;-) Gabriele http://www.css-zibaldone.com/the-css-switch-project/ __ css-discuss [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d IE7b2 testing hub -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/?page=IE7 List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/
Re: [css-d] CSS shapes
2006/10/15, Gunlaug Sørtun [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Gabriele Romanato wrote: http://www.css-zibaldone.com/the-css-switch-project /november-2006/shapes/ Experiments are not useful strictu sensu. that's the basic difference. I can't ignore this difference. your criticism is very similar to literary criticism: would be this poem useful? utilitarism, I suppose. or marxian criticism: everything should be useful to the underlyining structure of society. otherwise, is useless. on the web, every single layout should be useful. that's the underlyning pragmatism of the WWW. sorry, this is not my point of view. Not mine either :-) All tests and experiments that one can derive something useful from - now or later - are, by definition, _useful_. This is true even if the useful part ends up being knowledge about something's lack of usefulness or other shortcomings, so replicating old and useless experiments is a useful timesaver on our way to mastering web design - being it HTML/CSS based or a mix of whatever. It is a fact that many progressive and/or corrective ideas in real world web design are the result of useless experiments - often combined with even more useless experiments. Example: I'd call the following experiment completely useless... http://www.gunlaug.no/contents/wd_demo_float_03.html ...yet I use the methods on display there to get browsers in line - all the time. That experiment also gave me plenty of ideas about when *not* to use those methods, which is a most welcome side-effect. Another useless example: http://www.webstandards.org/files/acid2/test.html ...which parts certainly can be put to good use. So, I rather see more useless tests than fewer on display. They are useful to someone. regards Georg -- http://www.gunlaug.no thank you very much Georg. . but Christian has his reasons that cannot be ignored. I'll have to take an extra care when I post my tests. excuse me again. :) -- http://www.css-zibaldone.com/the-css-switch-project/ __ css-discuss [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d IE7b2 testing hub -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/?page=IE7 List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/
Re: [css-d] CSS shapes
Gabriele Romanato wrote: thank you very much Georg. . but Christian has his reasons that cannot be ignored. I'll have to take an extra care when I post my tests. FWIW: I wasn't trying to be helpful in this particular case, but I don't like _unnecessary_ restrictions on what can be done and put on display - even on css-d. Christian may have good reasons - which I won't dispute, and is using the lists guidelines to back them up. However, that isn't enough to exclude such explorations of regular HTML/CSS in an attempt to explain [to UAs] what content is and how it should be rendered. We need to know if they (the UAs) understand simple and plain HTML/CSS, and we should - in my opinion - be allowed to present the results of our investigations, even if they are crude. That's especially true when they actually work. (X)HTML and CSS, and all additions and alternatives, are developed further as I write this. Most of what we did yesterday is useless today, and most of what we do today may be seen as useless tomorrow. However, some (if not all) of the less than optimal stuff we come up with today, may end up being reworked and refined and become part of tomorrow's standards - and those standards may even be supported by UAs one day. We talk about 'progress' when it works better than what we had before, and 'regress' when it doesn't. There's plenty of both around. Regardless of that: we use what we have, and can master, in real world web design today, and we should allow ourselves to do so, and to explore, while we are developing our skills further and can, each on our own, separate the good from the bad and the obsolete. Css-discuss covers all stages, from beginner to advanced. Let it be so. regards Georg -- http://www.gunlaug.no __ css-discuss [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d IE7b2 testing hub -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/?page=IE7 List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/
Re: [css-d] CSS shapes
Sent: 15 October 2006 18:33 To: css-d@lists.css-discuss.org Subject: Re: [css-d] CSS shapes Css-discuss covers all stages, from beginner to advanced. Let it be so. Georg Very eloquent as ever. Whilst we should be as tolerant as we can be on all matters CSS, I am uncomfortable with those who are using the forum to further their own agendas or who are negative in their responses. I would hope if I were to infringe the above that someone would, politely, point out the error of my ways. Ian -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.408 / Virus Database: 268.13.4/476 - Release Date: 14/10/2006 __ css-discuss [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d IE7b2 testing hub -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/?page=IE7 List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/
Re: [css-d] CSS shapes
http://www.css-zibaldone.com/the-css-switch-project/november-2006/shapes/ a little tribute to Tantek and Mark Schenk. enjoy! ps. I've not specified the exact versions of the various browsers. all apologies. the latest versions, of course. otherwise, as specified. This keeps cropping up as an amazing new CSS discovery. Can anyone think of a situation where this would be useful? It is like using a lot of HTML, background colours and spacer GIFs to paint an image. -- Chris Heilmann Book: http://www.beginningjavascript.com Blog: http://www.wait-till-i.com Writing: http://icant.co.uk/ __ css-discuss [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d IE7b2 testing hub -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/?page=IE7 List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/
Re: [css-d] CSS shapes
Christian Heilmann wrote: http://www.css-zibaldone.com/the-css-switch-project/november-2006/shapes/ a little tribute to Tantek and Mark Schenk. enjoy! ps. I've not specified the exact versions of the various browsers. all apologies. the latest versions, of course. otherwise, as specified. This keeps cropping up as an amazing new CSS discovery. Can anyone think of a situation where this would be useful? It is like using a lot of HTML, background colours and spacer GIFs to paint an image. If you gotta ask, you'll never kow :-D . I forgot who said that. ~dL ** http://www.thereisnocat.com/showme490.html -- http://chelseacreekstudio.com/ __ css-discuss [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d IE7b2 testing hub -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/?page=IE7 List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/
Re: [css-d] CSS shapes
Hi David, Christian, and Gabriele, Gabriele wrote: http://www.css-zibaldone.com/the-css-switch-project/november-2006/shapes/ a little tribute to Tantek and Mark Schenk. enjoy! ps. I've not specified the exact versions of the various browsers. all apologies. the latest versions, of course. otherwise, as specified. Christian wrote: This keeps cropping up as an amazing new CSS discovery. Can anyone think of a situation where this would be useful? It is like using a lot of HTML, background colours and spacer GIFs to paint an image. David wrote: If you gotta ask, you'll never kow :-D . I forgot who said that. LOL! I have been looking for a better way to handle a problem at work. We have a number of product specification sheets usually written in MS Word--the problem is that many of them have what the boss considers important items highlighted which works fine in the various Word versions in use (including some very old ones on hand-me-down computers) except for a document highlighted in violet. When printed out this is nearly illegible what with the dark shade of purple used in the limited color menu for highlighting. I tried some other ways to put a color behind text but all were poor in some way; currently the document is in use highlighted in pink. I then (yesterday) started, stealing a moment at a time, to try to work out something in HTML and CSS (Back on topic!) but it is slow going. I keep tripping over the defaults for handling printing text and backgrounds; it is possible one of the useful? methods will offer me something. Putting a bottom border on the line above and using relative position to drop it down under the following line has some promise but I can't just type a line in white text on the white background as it shows up in the printed result. Since this is strictly for a local file and we use IE6 at work, I only need it to work one document at a time in IE6 only. I have reservations about trying to get someone who is not too web-oriented to change the default settings to print a few copies of a document and then set them back. Perhaps there are some other uses! -- Regards, Gene Falck [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ css-discuss [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d IE7b2 testing hub -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/?page=IE7 List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/
