Re: [css-d] Music Files and CSS
Koori Tora wrote: Whoa...be nice ;) I am. That's why I always put multimedia stuff on my sites as clickable links, rather than embedding them into the page. ;-) I don't agree with forcing music on visitors. I believe that user default stylesheets should be able to override it in the future, just like they override current stylesheets. I also believe that music in a stylesheet should be provided as an alternate stylesheet so that users can turn said music on or off in the browser. Hmm, then CSS will also have to expand to include forcing a control to do just that, won't it? Won't that be a wonderful new element of CSS to give us headaches dealing with buggy implementations ... BTW, this was originally talking about using CSS to put an MP3 file into a page, now it is getting described as music. But it COULD just as easily be a chatty advertisement, a way to repurpose radio ads, for instance. Why, it could even be a streaming audio link! Just what I need - go to a webste and have them force a stupid ad on me. -- David [EMAIL PROTECTED] authenticity, honesty, community On 7/20/05, david [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Koori Tora wrote: Oh, it was definitely a realistic question, and I agree that it will eventually evolve to the point where background audio is as much part of a site's style as a background image. However, I don't think we're quite to that point yet. At least, not according to the CSS specs. And ad blockers will all have acquired the ability to block such stupid design elements as forcing music on visitors. __ css-discuss [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/
Re: [css-d] Music Files and CSS
david wrote: Now that's interesting! Where's your site, I'd be interested to see if my ad blocker settings do the same thing .. http://www.alforddesigngroup.com/sandbox/svg-test.html hth, dwain -- Dwain Alford [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.alforddesigngroup.com The artist may use any form which his expression demands; for his inner impulse must find suitable expression. Wassily Kandinsky, Concerning The Spiritual In Art __ css-discuss [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/
RE: [css-d] Music Files and CSS
Also, you can read the original Flash Satay article at http://www.alistapart.com/articles/flashsatay. I think it's slightly less sanitized than the version that appears on the Macromedia site. The gist is the same, though. =) Lindsey Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2005 10:39:35 +1000 From: Ric Jude Raftis [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'Peggy Bart' [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: CSS-D css-d@lists.css-discuss.org Subject: RE: [css-d] Music Files and CSS Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In-Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 18 Any information on how to add mp3 files to be played by visitors to my web site using CSS would be greatly appreciated. Thank you, Peggy Bart I doubt that this is a CSS issue. It is more related to content. If you plan on having your pages compliant, you will not be able to use the embed tag in your documents. Go to the Macromedia site and do a search on the Satay Method which details the embedding of media files in html documents in a compliant manner. Regards, Ric __ css-discuss [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/
Re: [css-d] Music Files and CSS
hmm.. in your opinion anyway. The web is a multi-media platform... I would hate my TV, DVD's etc to be silent. Websites are often an advert for people's business, and they use sound on their TV ads and, probably, in their presentations, promotion videos... why not on their Internet ad. Also, retail outlets tend to play music... again, why can't they have music or sound on their sites? What about musican's websites - should they, too, remain silent? It's all very well being strictly compliant, but what a boring place the Internet would become ... our aim is to make our sites accessible as possible, but not at the expense of everything else. I, for one, would love to see CSS develop capabilities to handle sound and video format in the future. Cheers, Tracy On Thursday, July 21, 2005, at 03:52 am, david wrote: such stupid design elements as forcing music on visitors. __ css-discuss [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/
Re: [css-d] Music Files and CSS
On 7/21/05, T Shorrock [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: hmm.. in your opinion anyway. The web is a multi-media platform... I would hate my TV, DVD's etc to be silent. Websites are often an advert for people's business, and they use sound on their TV ads and, probably, in their presentations, promotion videos... why not on their Internet ad. Also, retail outlets tend to play music... again, why can't they have music or sound on their sites? What about musican's websites - should they, too, remain silent? Yes, they should. Would you feel the same about your TV if it played soundtrack from five channels at once? Now imagine - I have my favourite CD/mp3/whatever playing on my PC and I open three sites in tabs of my Firefox. And each site feels the need to greet me with it's own sound. And the one of those hosts five banners, all with sound to. Would you likt THAT? Regards, Rimantas -- http://rimantas.com/ __ css-discuss [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/
[css-d] Music Files and CSS
Any information on how to add mp3 files to be played by visitors to my web site using CSS would be greatly appreciated. Thank you, Peggy Bart __ css-discuss [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/
Re: [css-d] Music Files and CSS
On 7/20/05, Peggy Bart [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Any information on how to add mp3 files to be played by visitors to my web site using CSS would be greatly appreciated. Thank you, Peggy Bart __ I don't think it's possible to use CSS to do that...is it? A .mp3 file isn't a style...it's content... __ css-discuss [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/
Re: [css-d] Music Files and CSS
I don't think CSS is the proper tool to accomplish this. I would either provide MP3 downloads (easy solution) or create a Flash-based mp3 player that your visitors could control (harder solution). Peggy Bart wrote: Any information on how to add mp3 files to be played by visitors to my web site using CSS would be greatly appreciated. Thank you, Peggy Bart __ css-discuss [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/ __ css-discuss [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/
Re: [css-d] Music Files and CSS
Peggy Bart wrote: Any information on how to add mp3 files to be played by visitors to my web site using CSS would be greatly appreciated. Thank you, Peggy Bart Peggy: I don't think CSS is going to help you there. Here is the definition of CSS straight from the spec: Cascading Style Sheets (CSS) is a simple mechanism for adding style (e.g. fonts, colors, spacing) to Web documents. CSS is used for styling, not content. I think what might work better is the 'object' tag, or maybe you could create a Flash applet. I think JavaScript might be able to handle sound, but don't quote me on that one. [1] http://www.w3.org/TR/2005/WD-xhtml2-20050527/mod-object.html - Object Tag [2] http://www.w3.org/Style/CSS/ - CSS Specs Hope this helps, Matthew __ css-discuss [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/
Re: [css-d] Music Files and CSS
By that definition there should be no background: url(anything)
I know it's difficult enough to find support for current levels of CSS specs, but the user
experience on the Web will likely continue to evolve to a point where audio will be as much a part
of a site's style as the images or fonts. [perhaps body{background-audio: url(mymusic.mp3);} ]
I don't think it was unrealistic for Peggy to ask the question.
On Wed, 20 Jul 2005 19:00:35 -0500
Matthew Ohlman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Peggy Bart wrote:
Any information on how to add mp3 files to be played by visitors to my web site using CSS
would be greatly appreciated.
Thank you,
Peggy Bart
Peggy:
I don't think CSS is going to help you there. Here is the definition of CSS straight from the
spec:
Cascading Style Sheets (CSS) is a simple mechanism for adding style
(e.g. fonts, colors, spacing) to Web documents.
CSS is used for styling, not content. I think what might work better is the 'object' tag, or
maybe you could create a Flash applet. I think JavaScript might be able to handle sound, but don't
quote me on that one.
[1] http://www.w3.org/TR/2005/WD-xhtml2-20050527/mod-object.html - Object
Tag
[2] http://www.w3.org/Style/CSS/ - CSS Specs
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RE: [css-d] Music Files and CSS
Any information on how to add mp3 files to be played by visitors to my web site using CSS would be greatly appreciated. Thank you, Peggy Bart I doubt that this is a CSS issue. It is more related to content. If you plan on having your pages compliant, you will not be able to use the embed tag in your documents. Go to the Macromedia site and do a search on the Satay Method which details the embedding of media files in html documents in a compliant manner. Regards, Ric __ css-discuss [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/
Re: [css-d] Music Files and CSS
On 7/20/05, Mike Dougherty [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
By that definition there should be no background: url(anything)
I know it's difficult enough to find support for current levels of CSS specs,
but the user
experience on the Web will likely continue to evolve to a point where audio
will be as much a part
of a site's style as the images or fonts. [perhaps body{background-audio:
url(mymusic.mp3);} ]
I don't think it was unrealistic for Peggy to ask the question.
On Wed, 20 Jul 2005 19:00:35 -0500
Matthew Ohlman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Peggy Bart wrote:
Any information on how to add mp3 files to be played by visitors to
my web site using CSS
would be greatly appreciated.
Thank you,
Peggy Bart
Peggy:
I don't think CSS is going to help you there. Here is the definition of
CSS straight from the
spec:
Cascading Style Sheets (CSS) is a simple mechanism for adding style
(e.g. fonts, colors, spacing) to Web documents.
CSS is used for styling, not content. I think what might work better is
the 'object' tag, or
maybe you could create a Flash applet. I think JavaScript might be able to
handle sound, but don't
quote me on that one.
[1] http://www.w3.org/TR/2005/WD-xhtml2-20050527/mod-object.html -
Object Tag
[2] http://www.w3.org/Style/CSS/ - CSS Specs
__
Oh, it was definitely a realistic question, and I agree that it will
eventually evolve to the point where background audio is as much part
of a site's style as a background image. However, I don't think we're
quite to that point yet. At least, not according to the CSS specs.
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Re: [css-d] Music Files and CSS
Koori Tora wrote: Oh, it was definitely a realistic question, and I agree that it will eventually evolve to the point where background audio is as much part of a site's style as a background image. However, I don't think we're quite to that point yet. At least, not according to the CSS specs. And ad blockers will all have acquired the ability to block such stupid design elements as forcing music on visitors. -- David [EMAIL PROTECTED] authenticity, honesty, community __ css-discuss [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/
Re: [css-d] Music Files and CSS
Whoa...be nice ;) I don't agree with forcing music on visitors. I believe that user default stylesheets should be able to override it in the future, just like they override current stylesheets. I also believe that music in a stylesheet should be provided as an alternate stylesheet so that users can turn said music on or off in the browser. On 7/20/05, david [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Koori Tora wrote: Oh, it was definitely a realistic question, and I agree that it will eventually evolve to the point where background audio is as much part of a site's style as a background image. However, I don't think we're quite to that point yet. At least, not according to the CSS specs. And ad blockers will all have acquired the ability to block such stupid design elements as forcing music on visitors. -- David [EMAIL PROTECTED] authenticity, honesty, community __ css-discuss [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/ __ css-discuss [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/
