[css-d] firefox display problems - need urgent help

2007-05-15 Thread Liz
On this site http://www.whsfoundation.org/ when I click around within the
site in Firefox often the right and left column are empty because the
content drops to the bottom.  This didn't happen on my demo sever
http://www.liztestsite.com/indexTest.shtml. Any ideas of what I can do?

Thanks,

Liz


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Re: [css-d] firefox display problems - need urgent help

2007-05-15 Thread Brian Crescimanno
Firefox 2.0.3 here; I don't see the problem you're referring to.  Can
you point to a specific URL URL where you're seeing the bug?
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Re: [css-d] firefox display problems - need urgent help

2007-05-15 Thread Lori Lay
Liz wrote:
 On this site http://www.whsfoundation.org/ when I click around within the
 site in Firefox often the right and left column are empty because the
 content drops to the bottom.  This didn't happen on my demo sever
 http://www.liztestsite.com/indexTest.shtml. Any ideas of what I can do?

 Thanks,

 Liz

   
I couldn't find any problems with FF 2.0.0.3 on Mac.  There is a 
definite re-draw of the left navigation contents, but they stay put.  
I'm running at 1920x1200 - I don't know if that has anything to do with 
it or not.  Even seems to work with JavaScript disabled.

Lori
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Re: [css-d] firefox display problems - need urgent help

2007-05-15 Thread Liz
It is worse on the Mac Firefox but on the pc it happens on
http://www.whsfoundation.org/calendar.shtml and
http://www.whsfoundation.org/donate.shtml  Try clicking back and forth
between a few links on the site. It happens more often after coming from
another page in the site.  My PC  Mac Firefox version is 1.5.0.11.

When I check for updates it says there are no new ones.

Liz

On 5/15/07 4:32 PM, Brian Crescimanno [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Firefox 2.0.3 here; I don't see the problem you're referring to.  Can
 you point to a specific URL URL where you're seeing the bug?
 


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Re: [css-d] firefox display problems - need urgent help

2007-05-15 Thread Liz
Please try clicking around from page to page within the site and
particularly go to the calendar page and the donation page.  It seems to
happen more there.


On 5/15/07 4:35 PM, Lori Lay [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Liz wrote:
 On this site http://www.whsfoundation.org/ when I click around within the
 site in Firefox often the right and left column are empty because the
 content drops to the bottom.  This didn't happen on my demo sever
 http://www.liztestsite.com/indexTest.shtml. Any ideas of what I can do?
 
 Thanks,
 
 Liz
 
   
 I couldn't find any problems with FF 2.0.0.3 on Mac.  There is a
 definite re-draw of the left navigation contents, but they stay put.
 I'm running at 1920x1200 - I don't know if that has anything to do with
 it or not.  Even seems to work with JavaScript disabled.
 
 Lori
 


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Re: [css-d] firefox display problems - need urgent help

2007-05-15 Thread Peter Hyde-Smith
 Liz wrote:
 On this site http://www.whsfoundation.org/ when I click around within the
 site in Firefox often the right and left column are empty because the
 content drops to the bottom.  This didn't happen on my demo sever
 http://www.liztestsite.com/indexTest.shtml. Any ideas of what I can do?

 Thanks,

 Liz

 I couldn't find any problems with FF 2.0.0.3 on Mac.  There is a
 definite re-draw of the left navigation contents, but they stay put.
 I'm running at 1920x1200 - I don't know if that has anything to do with
 it or not.  Even seems to work with JavaScript disabled.

 Lori

I'm running WinXP/SP2 and FF2.0.0.3 at 1024 x 768 on a 17 monitor.

Similar to what Lori said, there is a lag when the left column draws, but 
otherwise, everything stays put...until one bump up in font size causes the 
last nav item to drop down one line, which shoves the whole content off the 
right side of the page. This even happens if I increase the view port to 
1280 x 1024. Reducing the font size does not break the layout.

The drop down menu rendering seems a tag slow. Also, the Publication links 
open .pdf's without warning and both the Publication and Links links 
unexpectedly open a new window. IMO (only) the former is simply annoying, 
the latter is bad behavior.

Regardless, my initial impression of the site when first opened is that it 
is visually pleasing and well laid out.

Cheers,

Peter
www.fatpawdesign.com

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Re: [css-d] firefox display problems - need urgent help

2007-05-15 Thread Glenn E. Lanier, II
 From: Liz
 Sent: Tuesday, May 15, 2007 6:41 PM

 Please try clicking around from page to page within the site and
 particularly go to the calendar page and the donation page.  
 It seems to
 happen more there.
 
 
 On 5/15/07 4:35 PM, Lori Lay [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  Liz wrote:
  On this site http://www.whsfoundation.org/ when I click 
 around within the
  site in Firefox often the right and left column are empty 
 because the
  content drops to the bottom.  This didn't happen on my demo sever
  http://www.liztestsite.com/indexTest.shtml. Any ideas of 
 what I can do?
  
  Thanks,
  
  Liz
  

  I couldn't find any problems with FF 2.0.0.3 on Mac.  There is a
  definite re-draw of the left navigation contents, but they stay put.
  I'm running at 1920x1200 - I don't know if that has 
 anything to do with
  it or not.  Even seems to work with JavaScript disabled.

Liz,

Just so you don't think you're going crazy -- I did see this the very first
time I loaded the page, but have not been able to make it happen since (left
column was not empty, but was below all text in calendar table -
http://www.whsfoundation.org/calendar.shtml).

FireFox 1.5.0.11

--G

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Re: [css-d] firefox display problems - need urgent help

2007-05-15 Thread Lori Lay
Liz wrote:
 It is worse on the Mac Firefox but on the pc it happens on
 http://www.whsfoundation.org/calendar.shtml and
 http://www.whsfoundation.org/donate.shtml  Try clicking back and forth
 between a few links on the site. It happens more often after coming from
 another page in the site.  My PC  Mac Firefox version is 1.5.0.11.

 When I check for updates it says there are no new ones.

 Liz

 On 5/15/07 4:32 PM, Brian Crescimanno [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

   
 Firefox 2.0.3 here; I don't see the problem you're referring to.  Can
 you point to a specific URL URL where you're seeing the bug?

 
Confirmed under FF 1.5/Win and FF 2.0/Win.  Not a problem under FF 2/Mac.

You have to go to Mozilla.com to install FF2.  It's a major upgrade, so 
it's not part of the regular updates.  FF 1.5 is still being supported.

Since it works under the Mac and not under Win, I'd have a closer look 
at your font sizes.  Also, even when it screws up, hitting the refresh 
button fixes it - as if there is something that it can't quite figure 
out on the initial load.

I'll have a bit more of a look, but you might want to use Firebug to 
double-check your widths and padding on your divisions, if you haven't 
done so already.

Lori
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Re: [css-d] firefox display problems - need urgent help

2007-05-15 Thread Lori Lay
Lori Lay wrote:
 Liz wrote:
   
 It is worse on the Mac Firefox but on the pc it happens on
 http://www.whsfoundation.org/calendar.shtml and
 http://www.whsfoundation.org/donate.shtml  Try clicking back and forth
 between a few links on the site. It happens more often after coming from
 another page in the site.  My PC  Mac Firefox version is 1.5.0.11.

 When I check for updates it says there are no new ones.

 Liz

 On 5/15/07 4:32 PM, Brian Crescimanno [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

   
 
 Firefox 2.0.3 here; I don't see the problem you're referring to.  Can
 you point to a specific URL URL where you're seeing the bug?

 
   
 Confirmed under FF 1.5/Win and FF 2.0/Win.  Not a problem under FF 2/Mac.

 You have to go to Mozilla.com to install FF2.  It's a major upgrade, so 
 it's not part of the regular updates.  FF 1.5 is still being supported.

 Since it works under the Mac and not under Win, I'd have a closer look 
 at your font sizes.  Also, even when it screws up, hitting the refresh 
 button fixes it - as if there is something that it can't quite figure 
 out on the initial load.

 I'll have a bit more of a look, but you might want to use Firebug to 
 double-check your widths and padding on your divisions, if you haven't 
 done so already.

 Lori
   
Do you need the display: table on the content division?  In one of the 
times that the problem manifested itself, I removed display:table using 
Firebug from the content division and it corrected itself.  Mind you, 
Firebug redraws the screen when you change the CSS, so I may be way off 
base here.  However, I didn't see any difference in the layout with 
display:table removed, so I wonder if you need it.  Certainly IE doesn't 
understand that anyway.

Just a thought.

Lori
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Re: [css-d] firefox display problems - need urgent help

2007-05-15 Thread Liz

 I'm running WinXP/SP2 and FF2.0.0.3 at 1024 x 768 on a 17 monitor.
 
 Similar to what Lori said, there is a lag when the left column draws, but
 otherwise, everything stays put...until one bump up in font size causes the
 last nav item to drop down one line, which shoves the whole content off the
 right side of the page. This even happens if I increase the view port to
 1280 x 1024. Reducing the font size does not break the layout.
 
 The drop down menu rendering seems a tag slow. Also, the Publication links
 open .pdf's without warning and both the Publication and Links links
 unexpectedly open a new window. IMO (only) the former is simply annoying,
 the latter is bad behavior.
 
 Regardless, my initial impression of the site when first opened is that it
 is visually pleasing and well laid out.
 
 Cheers,
 
 Peter
 www.fatpawdesign.com

Odd, I just downloaded the latest for both browsers and still have same
problem on all but home page on both Mac and PC.  Strange that this doesn't
happen on my test site http://www.liztestsite.com/indexTest.shtml.  If it
had I would have fixed it before making it live. I wonder if there is
something different about the servers.

Re the font sizes -- on the left, they are all the same except for the
dropdowns which are smaller. Maybe the percentages are not good. I will look
in there more closely to see if there is something I messed up with all my
experimenting.  I will also experiment with the font sizes and Firebug as
suggested.  

Thank you all for your help.
Liz

Liz


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Re: [css-d] firefox display problems - need urgent help

2007-05-15 Thread Liz

   
 Do you need the display: table on the content division?  In one of the
 times that the problem manifested itself, I removed display:table using
 Firebug from the content division and it corrected itself.  Mind you,
 Firebug redraws the screen when you change the CSS, so I may be way off
 base here.  However, I didn't see any difference in the layout with
 display:table removed, so I wonder if you need it.  Certainly IE doesn't
 understand that anyway.
 
 Just a thought.
 
 Lori
 
I think I needed the display table for either the right column to stay put
or maybe it was the background image -- I forget now but will experiment
with not using it. 

Thanks,
Liz


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Re: [css-d] firefox display problems - need urgent help

2007-05-15 Thread Peter Hyde-Smith

 I'm running WinXP/SP2 and FF2.0.0.3 at 1024 x 768 on a 17 monitor.

 Similar to what Lori said, there is a lag when the left column draws, but
 otherwise, everything stays put...until one bump up in font size causes 
 the
 last nav item to drop down one line, which shoves the whole content off 
 the
 right side of the page. This even happens if I increase the view port to
 1280 x 1024. Reducing the font size does not break the layout.

 The drop down menu rendering seems a tag slow. Also, the Publication 
 links
 open .pdf's without warning and both the Publication and Links links
 unexpectedly open a new window. IMO (only) the former is simply annoying,
 the latter is bad behavior.

 Regardless, my initial impression of the site when first opened is that 
 it
 is visually pleasing and well laid out.

 Cheers,

 Peter
 www.fatpawdesign.com

 Odd, I just downloaded the latest for both browsers and still have same
 problem on all but home page on both Mac and PC.  Strange that this 
 doesn't
 happen on my test site http://www.liztestsite.com/indexTest.shtml.  If it
 had I would have fixed it before making it live. I wonder if there is
 something different about the servers.

 Re the font sizes -- on the left, they are all the same except for the
 dropdowns which are smaller. Maybe the percentages are not good. I will 
 look
 in there more closely to see if there is something I messed up with all my
 experimenting.  I will also experiment with the font sizes and Firebug as
 suggested.

 Thank you all for your help.
 Liz

Liz:

I changed the font sizes using the FF text-size tool. See 
http://www.fatpawdesign.com/textresize.jpg Maybe obvious, but maybe not. So 
this is a client-side (tex) styling technique you'll have to accomodate (or 
not). I haven't looked at the html or style sheet, but probably more 
important than the actual font size is how the site degrades when they are 
changed. If the site changes form gracefully, the font size may not be so 
important.

Good Luck,

Peter 

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Re: [css-d] firefox display problems - need urgent help

2007-05-15 Thread Liz

 Do you need the display: table on the content division?  In one of the
 times that the problem manifested itself, I removed display:table using
 Firebug from the content division and it corrected itself.  Mind you,
 Firebug redraws the screen when you change the CSS, so I may be way off
 base here.  However, I didn't see any difference in the layout with
 display:table removed, so I wonder if you need it.  Certainly IE doesn't
 understand that anyway.
 
 Just a thought.
 
 Lori
 

Lori,
Thank you so much for your suggestion, that fixed it! I had display table on
both the content and page styles.  When I took it off of both it fixed the
problem. I never would have thought of that. Styling with CSS is still
mostly a mystery to me but thanks to the help of the list I'm slowly
figuring it out.  Thank you others who helped also -- I will also take a
closer look at my font sizes.

Liz 


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