Re: [css-d] Customisable scrollbars with css

2006-07-25 Thread Jay Blanchard
[snip]
Is there anyway to customize scrollbars using css so that they don't
default
to the basic crappy windows grey ones? I know tis not a big thing as I
generally tend to stay away from having to make users scroll as much as
possible, but in some cases it can't be avoided, so if one was to go
about
it how would it be done, and that is only if it indeed can be done.
[/snip]

Google turned up a truckload

http://www.google.com/search?hl=enlr=q=css+scrollbars
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Re: [css-d] Customisable scrollbars with css

2006-07-25 Thread Christian Heilmann
 This is not a problem I am having but just a question that I have had for a
 while and just decided to ask the people in the know (,) heehee

 Is there anyway to customize scrollbars using css so that they don't default
 to the basic crappy windows grey ones? I know tis not a big thing as I
 generally tend to stay away from having to make users scroll as much as
 possible, but in some cases it can't be avoided, so if one was to go about
 it how would it be done, and that is only if it indeed can be done.

No, you can colour them in Opera and MSIE, with non-standard CSS
selectors[1] but you won't be able to change their look completely and
cross browser. For example Safari will always show the same ones.

Also notice that what is ugly and grey for you is familiar to
users, whereas an own slider control or style might be confusing at
first. We make a lot of decisions about web sites subconsciously and
when I need to find an interactive element first I feel uneasy - no
matter how versed you are in the web.

That said, if there is no way out you can use JavaScript to simulate
your own scrollbars with the YUI slider control [2], but in most cases
it is not worth the hassle IMHO.

[1] http://www.yourhtmlsource.com/stylesheets/scrollbars.html
[2] http://developer.yahoo.com/yui/slider/

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Re: [css-d] Customisable scrollbars with css

2006-07-25 Thread Christian Heilmann
 Is there anyway to customize scrollbars using css so that they don't
 default
 to the basic crappy windows grey ones? I know tis not a big thing as I
 generally tend to stay away from having to make users scroll as much as
 possible, but in some cases it can't be avoided, so if one was to go
 about
 it how would it be done, and that is only if it indeed can be done.

 Google turned up a truckload

 http://www.google.com/search?hl=enlr=q=css+scrollbars

And wouldn't it be more helpful if we explained a bit about them? :-)


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Re: [css-d] Customisable scrollbars with css

2006-07-25 Thread Martin Heiden
David,

on Tuesday, July 25, 2006 at 14:10 David O'Neill wrote:

 Is there anyway to customize scrollbars using css so that they don't default
 to the basic crappy windows grey ones? I know tis not a big thing as I
 generally tend to stay away from having to make users scroll as much as
 possible, but in some cases it can't be avoided, so if one was to go about
 it how would it be done, and that is only if it indeed can be done.

1.) You could in IE = 5.5:

  scrollbar-arrow-color: #00;
  scrollbar-3dlight-color: #C0C0C0;
  scrollbar-highlight-color: #E0E0E0;
  scrollbar-face-color: #C0C0C0;
  scrollbar-shadow-color: #808080;
  scrollbar-darkshadow-color: #00;
  scrollbar-track-color: #E0E0E0

2.) You shouldn't do that.

  Just some questions:

  How do you know that the scrollbars are the basic crappy windows
  grey ones? Mine are brown and I'm on windows...

  How do you manage it, to stay away from having to make the users
  scroll? You can't control the screen settings of the user! What if
  the user uses a 800x600 screen with sidebar enabled or window not
  maximised? What if he set the browser to minimum font-size 20px?

  Don't try to bring things under your control that aren't yours!
  Design for flexibility! You've got to face the fact that web is not
  print. There are several things that you can't know. And you should
  try to make your design as flexible as possible to deal with these
  circumstances.

  Just my 2c.
  
regards

  Martin

 



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Re: [css-d] Customisable scrollbars with css

2006-07-25 Thread David Laakso
David O'Neill wrote:

 Is there anyway to customize scrollbars using css so that they don't default
 to the basic crappy windows grey ones? 
 David

   
Now I lay myself to sleep. A dirty gray scrollbar at my feet. I pray the 
Lord when I awake, this decision to change it I shall not make.
~dL
PS Don't mess with the users machine :-) .

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Re: [css-d] Customisable scrollbars with css

2006-07-25 Thread Christian Montoya
 David O'Neill wrote:
 
  Is there anyway to customize scrollbars using css so that they don't default
  to the basic crappy windows grey ones?
  David

1. Buy all your website visitors a copy of Windows XP.
2. Visit all of their houses and kindly ask to modify their computer's
settings.
3. Right-click on their desktop.
4. Choose Properties from the pop-up menu.
5. Select the 4th tab on the top: Appearance
6. Use the second select box. You have 3 options: Blue, Olive Green, Silver.
7. Click OK.

Hope it helps.

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Re: [css-d] Customisable scrollbars with css

2006-07-25 Thread cj
On 7/25/06, David O'Neill [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Is there anyway to customize scrollbars using css so that they don't default
 to the basic crappy windows grey ones?

i kind of like my ugly grey ones.  :)  now, those ugly xp-style ones
on the other hand...  :]  ew.  lol.  windows classic style forever!

but alas, to keep on topic, i do know firefox won't support custom
coloring of the scrollbars.  opera i'm not sure about, but they have
their own scrollbar styling that gives that nasty yellow color every
time you even think about moving the mouse anywhere near it.

[sent with humor]
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