Re: [css-d] downloadable fonts?
On 10/13/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This sounds like a good solution to a problem I currently have. But I didn't know much about it. Is using downloadable fonts in your wondered what the pros here thought about it. Thanks! ~Shelly Downloadable Fonts - Safari now supports CSS @font-face rules By Dave Hyatt. WebKit now supports CSS @font-face rules. With font face rules you can specify downloadable custom fonts on your Web pages or alias one font to another... http://webkit.org/blog/124/downloadable-fonts/ Fonts in Your Face By Jon Hicks. ...First problem, yes this will mean some people will specify unreadable/unsuitable type for body copy, but what's new? It simply means that there will be a wider variety of unreadable fonts to choose from. Secondly, and this is the real sticking point, font licensing... http://www.hicksdesign.co.uk/journal/fonts-in-your-face A Type In the Right Direction? Dan Cederholm. ...While this certainly could be true for many, it doesn't mean that web designers can't become good typographers ? especially when given the chance with more of a variety of typefaces to work with. The worry that all web pages will be suddenly ruined with crappy free fonts everywhere overshadows the fact that some good can come out of the ability to at least have a choice to use those crappy (and/or potential useful) fonts. Give us all a chance, eh?... http://www.simplebits.com/notebook/2007/10/05/fonts.html The Resurrection of Downloadable Web Fonts By Roger Johansson. ...I can see how useful this can be, though I do worry that many will not be able to use this tool responsibly. Then again, that applies to most tools. http://tinyurl.com/yug6cx __ css-discuss [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ List policies -- http://css-discuss.org/policies.html Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/
Re: [css-d] downloadable fonts?
http://www.456bereastreet.com/archive/200710/the_resurrection_of_downloadable_web_fonts/ Thanks Peter - this article is actually what made me want to ask you all this question :) I remember this method being discussed a couple of times here (or something similar to it), but not in the context that I'd like, really (didn't answer the questions I have). you don't need Flash to use image replacement techniques. You can make heading images using your graphic program of choice, and just link in the image as desired. True - but the site I want to do this for is dynamic, and I need on-the-fly headers. I liked the sIFR method because all I had to do was specify a class for the special header, and it would render it as needed - rather than having to go to the trouble of making an image, uploading and linking to it every time I wanted to use it. You run into the problem of font licenses This actually isn't a concern for me, because I never plan to use any fonts that are not free (in fact, the one that started this quest *is* a freely available font, with a GNU license). As for the rest, I'm already prepared to have an alternative standard font to be in the pretty font's stead - I'm not planning to have this be something that I can force on people. It's just something nice to provide to people who are ready to see it - if javascript's shut off, or whatever - then a standard font is used, no problem (I'm not designing around the font, I'm just enhancing the current design a little bit with the availability of this - I don't expect everyone to see it.) I just wanted to know that, for people that *can* see it, if this would be a bad idea to use. It's not something that is required for my design to work (it would be insane for me to think I could be!), but it's just a little something extra I wanted to add - but I wanted to be sure if I did it, it wouldn't be a detriment in any way. If it is, I'm abandoning the idea and going with what I have - which is honestly fine as it stands. ...and thanks for those links Eileen - I'll be reading up on it :) (And as a side note: The Resurrection of Downloadable Web Fonts By Roger Johansson. - that's funny. My old boss in Minneapolis was names Roger Johannson. I doubt he wrote an article on fonts though ;) ) Thanks all - and as always, any further input is well appreciated! ~Shelly __ css-discuss [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ List policies -- http://css-discuss.org/policies.html Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/
Re: [css-d] downloadable fonts?
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: you don't need Flash to use image replacement techniques. You can make heading images using your graphic program of choice, and just link in the image as desired. True - but the site I want to do this for is dynamic, and I need on-the-fly headers. I liked the sIFR method because all I had to do was specify a class for the special header, and it would render it as needed - rather than having to go to the trouble of making an image, uploading and linking to it every time I wanted to use it. If your server is running Linux, there are a number of command line tools that can be run via CGI to generate heading images on the fly. -- David [EMAIL PROTECTED] authenticity, honesty, community __ css-discuss [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ List policies -- http://css-discuss.org/policies.html Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/
Re: [css-d] downloadable fonts?
- Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: css-d@lists.css-discuss.org Sent: Friday, October 12, 2007 12:35 PM Subject: [css-d] downloadable fonts? This sounds like a good solution to a problem I currently have. But I didn't know much about it. Is using downloadable fonts in your stylesheet considered bad form? Does it render things inaccessible? Filesize too large? I can think of some potential drawbacks, but I was just wondered about using such a thing. Thanks! ~Shelly Shelly: You might want to give this a read over at 456 Berea St. I've just started to look at this myself, so I can't give you any other advice. http://www.456bereastreet.com/archive/200710/the_resurrection_of_downloadable_web_fonts/ Cheers, Peter www.fatpawdesign.com __ css-discuss [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ List policies -- http://css-discuss.org/policies.html Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/
Re: [css-d] downloadable fonts?
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This sounds like a good solution to a problem I currently have. But I didn't know much about it. Is using downloadable fonts in your stylesheet considered bad form? Does it render things inaccessible? Filesize too large? I can think of some potential drawbacks, but I was just wondered about using such a thing. Hmm, you can't PUT a font into a stylesheet. You can put specify a font name in a stylesheet. ;-) The problem I'm currently having is that I'd like to use a non-standard font on one of my sites, but it's purely for decorative purposes - it would be used only for particular headings. I was looking into the sIFR method, but my version of Flash is way too old to pull this off, and I can't afford to upgrade it right now. Hmm, you don't need Flash to use image replacement techniques. You can make heading images using your graphic program of choice, and just link in the image as desired. So this downloadable font thing kind of landed in my lap this morning, and I wanted to see if it would be a good alternative - anything that stick with plain ol' CSS is good to me - but I wondered what the pros here thought about it. Hmm, so far as I know there is no standard or easy solution to doing what you want via downloading a font to a visitors computer so that your website can display it. You run into the problem of font licenses - the font vendor may not allow their font to be installed even temporarily on a computer whose owner hasn't bought a copy of the font. I guess there were a couple of technologies to do that, but IIRC both were proprietary and pretty much neither was adopted by anyone ... -- David [EMAIL PROTECTED] authenticity, honesty, community __ css-discuss [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ List policies -- http://css-discuss.org/policies.html Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/
