[CTRL] Aids in southern africa
-Caveat Lector- Ignorance Feeds Deadly S. African AIDS Epidemic Spurred by Myth and Social Mores, Infection Rate Reaches Crisis Proportions By Lynne Duke Washington Post Foreign Service Tuesday, February 16, 1999; Page A01 RIETVLEI, South Africa-Sex in South Africa is a game of "African roulette," some say. But Thenjiwe Dzanibe didn't even know she was a player. Dzanibe, 37, was admitted last month to Rietvlei hospital, where she was diagnosed with tuberculosis and tested for the virus that causes AIDS. It was then that she began to wonder whether AIDS caused the tuberculosis that killed her husband in 1995. And though her boyfriend refuses to be tested because he fears the results, she says, it occurs to her that maybe AIDS is what has caused him to lose weight and cough up blood. Dzanibe conceived a child with him, and now the baby is sick and has a fungal infection of the tongue. Could it be, Dzanibe wonders, that 8-month-old Zimbini has developed AIDS, too? The depth of her crisis sank in when she asked, during an interview: "Can I be cured of AIDS and these other diseases that are coming out?" No, she was told gently. Days later, her blood test confirmed that she has AIDS. "I have understood," she said sadly, but added: "The one thing I know for sure is I'll never tell the father of my child." Dzanibe is among the millions of South Africans caught in the complex and deadly web of ignorance, denial and misplaced cultural beliefs that is fueling South Africa's AIDS epidemic, which is among the most aggressive on the continent. More than 16 percent of South Africa's nearly 40 million people are infected with the human immunodeficiency virus (HIV), which causes AIDS. By 2010, the national infection rate is projected to reach 25 percent, on a par with that of neighboring Zimbabwe and Botswana, confirming southern Africa as the center of the world AIDS epidemic. The infection level among South Africans between the ages of 20 and 30 already is approaching 20 percent. New infections are being reported at a rate of 1,500 a day -- two-thirds of them among 15- to 20-year-olds. Health experts say this means that the age group once thought to be most receptive to AIDS awareness messages already is heavily infected. Although HIV is running rampant in South Africa, too many people here do not understand or believe how deadly it is until it is too late. Women bear the brunt of the crisis, experts say, because of polygamy, male promiscuity and sexual mores that allow men to dictate norms of intercourse -- including refusal to wear condoms -- and to put women in danger if they raise too many questions. Unlike Uganda, which is renowned for an aggressive AIDS-prevention campaign that has reduced its high rate of HIV infection and made condom use the rule, South Africa has been slow off the mark. Analysts say this is partly because the government has been bombarded with an array of policy demands since the 1994 transition from white-minority rule to multi-racial democracy. Since late last year, the government has made AIDS prevention a high-profile priority, and last week President Nelson Mandela lent his voice to the AIDS crisis in his state of the nation address. But with AIDS-awareness and prevention measures only recently undertaken, people here have filled the information gap with myth and stigmatism. "It's this ignorance that's so difficult to break through," said Nono Simelela, national director of the government's HIV, AIDS and sexually transmitted disease programs. "We are dancing with death all the time." Many South Africans, for instance, believe that bewitchings are the cause of AIDS, or that racist whites have injected oranges and bananas with the disease, or that tribal ancestors are displeased and are wreaking havoc on the living. Some people believe only prostitutes get AIDS. Some men extol the virtues of fat women in the mistaken belief that only thin women can transmit AIDS. Some women believe that AIDS can be gotten rid of by giving it back to the source of the infection. Here at Rietvlei Hospital -- situated in largely rural KwaZulu-Natal province, where the 27 percent HIV-infection rate is the highest in the nation -- examples abound. Veronica Mngoma, 35, has been diagnosed with AIDS, but she has trouble accepting what it means. Deep down, she says, she suspects that she is sick because a vengeful co-worker poisoned her. "In 1996, I was given a [cake] by a girl, and it had poison on it," Mngoma said. "This poison made me become sick. I got thin and thin and thin after that." She consulted a sangoma -- a traditional healer -- who told her to drink four small buckets of a milky purgative brew. She vomited, as prescribed. And got sicker. Busisiwe Chiya, 43, who was admitted to the isolation ward at Rietvlei with severe pelvic pain and other symptoms, also does not understand AIDS. When she was diagnosed HIV-positive -- and admonished to get closer to her god before it was too late -- her only
[CTRL] VIRUS WARNING!!!!!
-Caveat Lector- If you receive an email entitled "It Takes Guts to Say 'Jesus'" DO NOT open it. It will erase everything on your hard drive. Forward this letter out to as many people as you can. This is a new, very malicious virus and not many people know about it. This information was announced Sunday morning from IBM; please share it with everyone that might access the Internet. Once again, pass this along to EVERYONE in your address book so that this may be stopped. AOL has said that this is a very dangerous virus and that there is NO remedy for it at this time. DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Now's It's Serbian Terrorists IN THE U.S.
-Caveat Lector- FBI Warns of Serb Terrorism in U.S. By JOHN DIAMOND .c The Associated Press WASHINGTON (AP) -- The FBI is investigating a Serb-language letter faxed to several Orthodox churches in the United States urging terrorist strikes on U.S. military installations. Counterterrorism agents at the FBI sent out an electronic alert memo last week to military bases, nuclear weapons labs and other key installations after Serbian Orthodox churches in the Sacramento, Calif., Milwaukee, Chicago and Indianapolis areas received the letter via fax. It urged Serbian Americans to respond violently to U.S.-led NATO strikes on Yugoslavia. ``The threat letter requested that all Serbian nationalists living in America take action against the NATO decision to intervene in the Serbian/Kosovo conflict by killing as many American soldiers in the United States as necessary to stop the NATO attacks in Serbia,'' according to the FBI memo. The memo, which was obtained by The Associated Press, was distributed to military bases and other sensitive federal installations, such as nuclear weapons labs, through a special e-mail warning system, officials said. Dale Watson, the FBI's deputy assistant director for counterterrorism, declined to discuss the memo but said the church letters weren't the only Serb-related terrorism threats being examined by FBI investigators. ``As the war continues, we receive a lot of threats in here. The FBI looks into them,'' Watson said Wednesday in a telephone interview. ``This (letter) is not just an isolated situation. We look at threats; we take them all seriously.'' Serbian Orthodox church officials in the cities mentioned in the FBI memo either declined to comment or said they had no information about the Serb-language letter. No arrests have been made of any Serb nationals suspected of planning terrorist acts. The agency is investigating whether there is any link between the Yugoslav government in Belgrade and the threats in the United States, officials said. The alert memo warned military commanders nationwide ``that there is a credible threat outstanding to take action within the United States against U.S. military personnel.'' Military bases around the country had been on alert dating as far back as last summer's bombing of U.S. embassies in Kenya and Tanzania. But bases are stepping up security measures. ``We have increased our threat condition from Alpha to Bravo,'' said Bob Pepper, spokesman for the 49th Fighter Wing at Holloman Air Force Base, N.M., home of F-117 stealth fighters being used against Yugoslavia. The one-step increase in threat awareness, he said, probably would not be noticeable to outside civilians. It involves more intensive identity checks and stricter requirements for non-military people entering the base. Pentagon spokesman Kenneth Bacon said military commanders were responding to the FBI warnings. ``We are aware of these threats and we have disseminated the information to local commanders and it's up to them to adjust ... according to the threats they see,'' Bacon said. Increasingly, the Pentagon has become concerned with the possibility that terrorists would locate and target individual servicemen, perhaps in their homes. As a result, the Pentagon has grown reluctant to identify individual pilots flying strike missions and has scrubbed military Internet sites of personal and family information and service members. DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] UN vs NWO
-Caveat Lector- Security Council Split on Kosovo By EDITH M. LEDERER .c The Associated Press UNITED NATIONS (AP) -- As the world increasingly looks to Secretary-General Kofi Annan and the United Nations for a solution to the Kosovo crisis, the Security Council's divide illustrates the chasm that must be bridged. It's Russia and China vs. the United States and its NATO allies. Again. This time it's not the Cold War battle of communists and capitalists. But the rhetoric is equally heated, and at the moment there are no signs of compromise. As Wednesday's council meeting on the humanitarian crisis in Macedonia and Montenegro demonstrated, the protagonists are focused on different sides of the war. Russia's U.N. Ambassador Sergey Lavrov has decried the impact of NATO bombing on innocent civilians at every recent Security Council meeting -- and Wednesday he denounced the attack on a Yugoslav bridge while a train was crossing as ``barbaric.'' China's U.N. Ambassador Qin Huasun went even further, claiming the twin NATO strikes on the bridge deliberately targeted civilians as an act of terror, diplomats said. NATO members on the council countered that the alliance expressed regret about the bridge bombing -- and pointedly noted that there had been no expressions of regret about the hundreds of thousands of ethnic Albanians expelled or forced from their homes by Serb forces. ``There is no targeting -- none, zero in terms of NATO planning,'' said deputy U.S. Ambassador Peter Burleigh. The allies then tried to push for a council statement demanding that Yugoslav authorities immediately release two Australian humanitarian workers whom Belgrade has accused of spying -- but Russia opposed asking for their freedom. By the end of the debate, council members could agree only on a statement calling for immediate consular access to the Australians and expressing ``deepest concern at the grave humanitarian situation in and around Kosovo.'' While the Security Council's divisions have relegated it to the sidelines so far, last week's peace initiative by the secretary-general and Wednesday's proposal by Germany -- which suggests a U.N. peacekeeping role -- could make the council a significant player in a Kosovo settlement. The European Union on Wednesday backed Annan's five-point proposal, which closely resembles NATO's conditions for stopping airstrikes. It calls for Yugoslavia to end the intimidation and expulsion of civilians, withdraw military forces, and allow deployment of an international military force to help the return of refugees. There was no talk Wednesday in the Security Council of any peace deal. Slovenia's U.N. Ambassador Danilo Turk said Annan's ``very carefully crafted'' initiative provides the framework for a solution -- but he said ``conditions are not yet ripe'' for any council action. Asked about the German proposal, Lavrov said when NATO is ready to stop the bombing, the council might be ready to discuss it. But Burleigh said Yugoslav President Slobodan Milosevic must take the first step. DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] EU, UN and NATO
-Caveat Lector- Is U.S.-led NATO becoming a problem for the EU and UN? EU Backs Annan's Kosovo Plan By MIKE CORDER .c The Associated Press BRUSSELS, Belgium (AP) -- European Union leaders are backing a U.N. peace initiative for Kosovo while still giving their unwavering support to NATO's bombing campaign to end the Serb offensive in Kosovo. ``There's not going to be a halt to the NATO action until the demands that we have set out -- which are entirely reasonable, humane, civilized demands -- are met in full,'' British Prime Minister Tony Blair said Wednesday after the 15 EU leaders met with U.N. Secretary-General Kofi Annan to discuss the Kosovo crisis. Billed as a summit to discuss a German peace plan, the leaders instead backed a similar five-point initiative launched by Annan in Geneva last week. Annan's formula, which closely resembles NATO's conditions for stopping airstrikes, calls for: An immediate end to the Yugoslav campaign of intimidation and expulsion of civilians. Ceasing all military and paramilitary activities in Kosovo and withdrawing these forces. Accepting unconditionally the return of all refugees and displaced people to their homes. Accepting the deployment of an international military force to help in the return of refugees and delivery of aid. Permitting the international community to verify compliance. Annan said he had no plans to go to Belgrade to speak to Yugoslav President Slobodan Milosevic and there was no indication Milosevic would accept such a deal. German chancellor and current EU president, Gerhard Schroeder, said the EU still supports a political settlement based on the February agreement at Rambouillet, France -- which the Kosovo Albanians signed and the Serbs rejected. He said the EU was prepared to run an interim administration of Kosovo under such a plan. The Rambouillet plan calls for a NATO-led peacekeeping force, as opposed to Annan's proposal of international troops. The leaders also agreed to a future conference to discuss the long-term stabilization of southeastern Europe. But before a date can be set for such a conference, Milosevic must end his force's bloody crackdown in Kosovo, which has forced hundreds of thousands of ethnic Albanians to flee the province. ``We need great determination to follow the military option until it achieves its objective,'' said French President Jacques Chirac. NATO officials say the three weeks of airstrikes have begun to stagger Milosevic and are hesitant to ease up and give him a chance to recuperate. DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Killer Kid Sentenced to 70 Years
-Caveat Lector- Teen-Ager Gets 70 Years for Murder By JOHN CURRAN .c The Associated Press TOMS RIVER, N.J. (AP) -- Portrayed as both victim and criminal, a teen-ager who admitted to killing an 11-year-old boy apologized as he was sentenced to 70 years in prison. Sam Manzie, 17, described by prosecutors as a sociopath ``programmed to have sex, rape and kill,'' told the victim's parents he doesn't know how he got that way: ``I still can't figure out why I did what I did.'' He will have plenty of time to think about it. A judge ordered Manzie to serve at least 59 1/2 years in prison before becoming eligible for parole. Eddie Werner was strangled after he came to Manzie's house selling items for the PTA in 1997. Prosecutors said Manzie killed the boy for rejecting his sexual advances. He later shot a photo of the boy's half-naked body, a necktie and alarm clock cord around his neck. With his head bowed, Manzie calmly read a statement of apology, saying he was sorry ``for all of the suffering I've put so many people through.'' He ha pleaded guilty to murder. The apology came during an emotional 2 1/2-hour courtroom drama Wednesday in which Manzie's mother was ejected for an angry outburst and Werner's grieving parents called for a life prison term. The Manzies blamed psychiatrists and other mental health experts for not locking their son up before he killed the boy. His parents asked a judge to do so less than a week before the killing, but the judge released Manzie to his parents' custody. ``We were told over and over and over again that he wasn't violent, that he wouldn't hurt anybody,'' Dolores Manzie said. But the judge ordered her removed from the courtroom later when a prosecutor said she had threatened to kill herself if doctors did not agree to commit her son to full-time care. ``Take him for a week and tell me you'd be able to handle it!'' she screamed. ``I couldn't handle my child anymore. At least I admitted it.'' DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Q2K -- Dan Quayle for President
-Caveat Lector- Quayle To Run for President By RON FOURNIER .c The Associated Press HUNTINGTON, Ind. (AP) -- Former Vice President Dan Quayle, trying to refurbish his image and jump-start his GOP presidential campaign, declared his candidacy Wednesday by pledging to rebuild American values after ``a dishonest decade of Bill Clinton and Al Gore.'' Seeking office for the first time since he and President Bush succumbed to Clinton and Gore in 1992, the former Indiana senator sought to push beyond a history of political gaffes and controversies. ``Murphy Brown is gone,'' he said, ``and I'm still here fighting for the American family.'' Quayle's use of the TV sitcom in the 1992 campaign to highlight a ``poverty of values'' brought him criticism and ridicule from some quarters. But he returned to the theme Wednesday, betting that primary voters will reward him for casting a spotlight on the family-values debate. ``The question in life is not whether you get knocked down. You will. The question is, are you ready to get back up, are you willing to get back up and fight for what you believe in?'' Quayle said. A crowd of nearly 6,000, packed to the gym rafters at his former high school, shouted ``Q2K! Q2K! Q2K!'' for Quayle-2000. Fireworks exploded before and after his speech, covering the stage in a haze of smoke. Rock music, hundreds of handpainted signs and an appearance by ball-tossing former Chicago Bears quarterback Jim McMahon gave the announcement a pep rally feeling. ``I have come back home to announce that I will seek and I will win the presidency of the United States,'' Quayle said. Gore, who succeeded Quayle as vice president and is seeking the Democratic presidential nomination, was singled out by Quayle for calling President Clinton a great leader during the impeachment effort. ``What arrogance. What disdain for the values that parents are trying to teach their children. What contempt for the rule of law,'' Quayle said. ``This should not stand.'' ``We are coming to the end of a dishonest decade of Bill Clinton and Al Gore,'' he said. ``It's time we work to reclaim the values that made America great.'' Gore's staff dismissed the attack. Spokesman Chris Lehane said, ``Dan Quayle's vision of America will take us back to the Dark Ages of the last GOP administration.'' Appearing relaxed and in command of his topics, Quayle spoke from notes and varied from a draft of the speech given to reporters. He promoted his proposed 30 percent across-the-board tax cut, billing it as a boon to middle-income families. And he portrayed himself as the best qualified potential commander-in-chief, recalling his participation in White House war councils. After Bush picked him as vice president, Quayle had withstood withering criticism for having joined the Indiana National Guard years earlier, thus avoiding service in Vietnam. ``You can only get so much from briefing books and crash courses. You need experience,'' Quayle said. Texas Gov. George W. Bush, the early favorite for the GOP nomination, is getting scores of private briefings to bone up on foreign policy. ``A presidency is not to be inherited,'' Quayle said. Aides would not say whether Quayle was alluding to Gore or the Texas governor -- or perhaps both. Gore is Clinton's choice to win in 2000, and Bush is the son of the former president. Asked for comment, Bush campaign spokeswoman Mindy Tucker said simply, ``Governor Bush congratulates Vice President Quayle on his announcement and wishes him well. Governor Bush intends to campaign by laying out a positive vision for a brighter future for America.'' Quayle himself wants to inherit President Bush's mantle. The former vice president, 52, is a long shot for the nomination despite his popularity among grass-roots activists and his strong organization in New Hampshire. He joins a crowded field of conservative candidates wrestling over the same votes. His campaign team has come together slowly. And he raised about $2 million in the first quarter of 1999 -- $1 million less than projected. Quayle's largest obstacle is what one supporter calls the ``potato factor'' -- a reference to the day he misspelled the word in a classroom full of school children. That and other miscues turned the vice president into a punch line for countless jokes, cementing for many American the perception that Quayle was ill-suited for the job. Stuck with the image, Quayle wants to turn it to his advantage in the GOP primaries. He is telling conservative voters that the controversies prove his willingness to fight the media and liberal elite to protect values. A new internal poll of 1,000 primary voters showed that 70 percent agreed with this statement: ``Dan Quayle has proven he can take a punch; the media made fun of him and he is still standing firm for what he believes.'' His supporters argue that Quayle will easily exceed the low expectations to sneak up on Bush, who they say can't live up to his early billing. Yet
[CTRL] Cold War Is Back, With Nuclear Threat
-Caveat Lector- Geez, Louise -- I don't mind folks nowadays going "retro" in neo-beatnik chic and postmodern '50s kitsch, but THIS is going TOO far ... ! Russia, China Warn US of Arms Race MOSCOW (AP) -- Russia and China on Wednesday warned of a new arms race if the United States goes ahead with plans to develop a nationwide defense system against limited missile attack. The U.S. Senate recently approved a bill calling for construction of the defense system ``as soon as technologically possible.'' The Americans have grown concerned about the possibility of attack from countries such as Iran, Iraq and North Korea. Russian politicians have been unanimous in assailing the U.S. plan to develop anti-missile defenses, saying the move would violate the 1972 Anti-Ballistic Missile treaty. Moscow strongly opposes U.S. proposals to amend the treaty to allow for limited missile defenses. Russian and Chinese military officials and diplomats who met in Moscow to discuss the situation issued a statement saying the two countries have serious concerns about the U.S. plans. ``The fulfillment of these plans would violate the main obligation under the ABM treaty,'' said the statement, circulated by the Russian Foreign Ministry. Russia and China ``believe that undermining or violating the ABM treaty would lead to a whole range of negative consequences: New factors would appear that would be capable of destabilizing the international situation ... and create conditions for the resumption of the arms race,'' the statement said. Russia also contends the creation of a missile defense system would put on hold any further nuclear weapons reductions. President Boris Yeltsin recently approved a bill by Russian lawmakers that would make their approval of the START II arms reduction treaty, which the United States is anxious to see ratified, dependent on a U.S. commitment to the ABM treaty. DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] VIRUS WARNING!!!!!
-Caveat Lector- Someone please verify the veracity of this message. This is probably a hoax. DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Now's It's Serbian Terrorists IN THE U.S.
-Caveat Lector- Yes, I have more fear of ORCHESTRATED events which will be labeled 'Serbian terrorism' as an excuse to further erode the rights of U.S. citizens, than anything any actual Serbian might do... This also sounds ominously like the propaganda which was disseminated during WWI, warning of 'saboteurs' who were 'hyphenated Americans', e.g. anyone whose ethnic background was from one of the Axis countries (including the Balkan nations)...this eventually led to the passage of the Alien and Sedition Acts of 1918, which severely curtailed the rights of citizens June === "To love another person is to see the face of God." -Les Miserables === *---* revcoal AT connix DOT com *---* It is UNLAWFUL to send unsolicited commercial email to this email address per United States Code Title 47 Sec. 227. I assess a fee of $500.00 US currency for reading and deleting such unsolicited commercial email. Sending such email to this address denotes acceptance of these terms. My posting messages to Usenet neither grants consent to receive unsolicited commercial email nor is intended to solicit commercial email. ** DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] VIRUS WARNING!!!!!
-Caveat Lector- Jean, Thank you kindly. Since Melissa I have been leery. It is however unfortunate that someone on this list sent this out. He has lost credibility with me. Terry DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Cold War Is Back, With Nuclear Threat
-Caveat Lector- On Thu, 15 Apr 1999, Das GOAT wrote: Russia, China Warn US of Arms Race MOSCOW (AP) -- Russia and China on Wednesday warned of a new arms race if the United States goes ahead with plans to develop a nationwide defense system against limited missile attack. What ever happened to 1980s-era "Star Wars" missile defense system? I thought "Star Wars" was supposed to be an inpenetrable defense. Anyone know? Brian Redman Editor, CNNS DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] OEN 4/15/99
-Caveat Lector- from: http://www.aci.net/kalliste/ A HREF="http://www.aci.net/kalliste/"The Home Page of J. Orlin Grabbe/A - Dollars R Us Behind Closed Doors, Greenspan Rethinks the Fed Statistics are no good. Coin flips maybe? Behind the unblinking facade of the US Federal Reserve's headquarters in Washington they are cleaning house. From top to bottom of the venerable institution, shelf-loads of tools and measures of monetary policy are being dusted down, reconditioned or even cast aside. The Nairu, a faithful appliance that has monitored monetary policy since the 1970s, is being consigned to storage. The Expectations-Augmented Phillips Curve, an attractive, if baroque, piece of economic furniture, is deemed no longer safe for policymakers' use. Even that family jewel, the Taylor Rule, is getting some long, hard looks from the repairers. This is because some of these tools indicate that the US economy - after a prolonged expansion - should be dangerously close to overheating. They suggest that Alan Greenspan, chairman of the Fed, should be tightening monetary policy to avoid an outbreak of inflation. Inflation remains firmly under control even as the economy expands. And the men and women of the Fed responsible for monitoring it and keeping it on a sustainable track are acknowledging that their traditional methods may no longer work. The search is now on for analytical tools that might work better. So far, officials have not abandoned tried-and-tested formulas for interpreting the economy's signals. But a far-reaching intellectual inquiry is under way into the basis of monetary policy decision-making. "I don't think we really have a lot of clues," Alice Rivlin, the vice-chair of the US central bank, said in an interview last week. "The macro-statistics may not be all that much help. People who want to understand this may need to pay a lot more attention to what is really going on in businesses and labour markets." In its unprecedented growth spurt over the past three years, the US economy has broken several rules: first, history says sustained growth above the economy's long-term trend will inevitably end in higher inflation. For three years, the US has grown at an annual rate of just under 4 per cent - 1.5 percentage points above the long-term trend. Yet the main measure of overall inflation, the gross domestic product price deflator, has fallen steadily - to an annual rate of 0.8 per cent in the last three months of 1998, its lowest in more than 20 years. Second, theory suggests that a fall in unemployment below a certain level will lead to a spiral of accelerating wage and price inflation as demand for workers forces employers to pay higher wages, without a corresponding increase in output. In the past few months, the unemployment rate has fallen to 4.2 per cent, its lowest level in 30 years and well below what even the most sceptical economists regard as the lowest rate consistent with stable inflation. Yet average annual earnings growth has been little changed in the past year and is now just 3.6 per cent; consumer price inflation is 1.7 per cent per year, half what it was three years ago. Third, experience indicates that low unemployment leads also to declining productivity, or output per hour. As employers hunt for workers in increasingly tight labour markets, the quality of the people they are able to hire diminishes. But even as unemployment has declined, the rate of productivity growth has doubled in the past two years, from its sluggish rate in the early 1990s, to over 2 per cent now. Outside the Fed, some analysts have used these events as evidence that the US economy has entered a "new paradigm" - a fundamental positive shift in conditions in the past few years that will enable it permanently to grow faster than its historical trend. Not even the most optimistic of the policymakers on the Fed's Open Market committee, which sets short-term interest rates - admit to being converts to the new paradigm. Nor is anyone quite ready to cast aside completely the traditional policy tools. This may be partly because even policymakers who sympathise with the notion that something fundamental has changed would not dare say it in public. The Fed's pronouncements are so closely scrutinised that any admission would be seized upon by the markets, with unpredictable results. But officials also appear to be genuinely undecided about what is happening. Even some of the more sceptical policymakers confess to bafflement at the apparent breakdown in traditional rules. They admit to waning confidence in the view that the strong performance is all down to a number of "lucky breaks" - such as falling global commodity prices or declining healthcare costs. As a result, the Fed has resisted pulling the interest-rate trigger for most of the past two years, even as inflation warning lights have been flashing. Officials are at least prepared to allow the possibility that
[CTRL] The Psychology of Panic -- y2kculture.com
-Caveat Lector- from: http://www.y2kculture.com/politics/19990331.psychology.html A HREF="http://www.y2kculture.com/politics/19990331.psychology.html"The Psychology of Panic -- y2kculture.com /A - y2kculture.com predictions The Psychology of Panic By Solveig Singleton March 31, 1999 On March 22, George Washington University sponsored "The Social Psychology of the Y2K Problem: Denial, Disaster, or Self-Fulfilling Prophecy?" Speakers offered different perspectives on Y2K. Will the panic be worse than the problem? Should we expect leadership on Y2K to come from the president, the vice president, or Y2K czar John Koskinen? Jerrold Post, the Director of the Political Psychology Program at GWU, claimed that Y2K will create a kind of self-fulfilling prophecy of problems. He classified those who prepare for Y2K into three groups: * Prudent Planners, who save extra food, water and cash. * Moderate Survivalists, ordinary people who are buying guns, moving to rural areas, and making substantial preparations. But they have no ideological agenda. * Extremists, who see in Y2K the fulfillment of some ideological vision of a societal collapse or "end-time." He argued that even if most people are Prudent Planners, their moderate activities could be enough to stress the banking system's capacity to supply cash. Andrea Maloney Schara of the Georgetown Family Center -- who has written for us before -- said that to deal with the threat of Y2K panic, one must understand what panic is. Hyper- alarmism and denial begin, she said, when people are flooded by negative messages from the amygdala, a part of the brain that generates negative feelings. But fear and denial interfere with rational problem-solving based on facts. But, she argued, only about ten percent of the population is likely to calm down and consider the facts. Most blindly trust authority, and a few have a strong negative reaction to authority. Given that Clinton and other techno-clueless politicos might themselves be unable to judge Y2K dangers based on the facts, the greatest hope for effective Y2K problem-solving will come from grassroots self-selected leaders. Schara suggested that entertainment figures like Oprah and the upcoming Y2K movie are likely to do more than political leaders to get people to confront Y2K -- messages from entertainers and others presented in a fun, positive way can convey information without triggering panic or denial. But even a public panic might be the only way to get political leaders to confront the issues. The final speaker, Paula Gordon, Director of Special Projects at RPSOL, worried that the President, Vice President and Y2K Tzar Koskinen fail to provide Y2K leadership. She argued that they failed to understand serious Y2K problems with embedded systems in power plants, chemical plants, water and fuel distribution networks, and other networks. Gordon thought that if any of these leaders addressed Y2K problem now, the impact of Y2K might be held down to a mild recession, but if they do not we face infrastructure collapse. But her obvious frustration lead me to wonder whether Schara's point -- that most people close their minds immediately in response to fear-driven, negative messages -- might be very well-taken. FEATURES Book Reviews Y2K already has spawned its own genre. We tell you what books are worth buying. Chip 'n Little Cartoons Chip 'n Little goes on TV Chip 'n Little visits John Koskinen Chip 'n Little saves the world Warning: This cartoon has been called "foolish and tasteless." Y2K from A to Z Copyright 1999 y2kculture.com. All rights reserved. - Aloha, He'Ping, Om, Shalom, Salaam. Em Hotep, Peace Be, Omnia Bona Bonis, All My Relations. Adieu, Adios, Aloha. Amen. Roads End Kris DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] The BABALON Working
-Caveat Lector- from: prioryofsion digest 548 http://www.onelist.com The mailing list resource page can be found at the following address http://www.albino.com/circle/pos/ Message: 2 Date: Wed, 14 Apr 1999 01:38:50 -0700 (PDT) From: Subject: Re: Montauk (Long, possibly OT) At 11:20 PM 4/13/99 -0400, xxx wrote: Unfortunately my source no longer exists it was a rollicking site that dealt with all types of interesting yet offbeat topics. The site was www.brotherblue.org, it was the site of the Order of the Blue Brethren aka the Sacredotal Order of the Blue Brethren - whose goal was to create that which was blue. Thru certain magickal means I have been able to conjure forth the page you read. Unlike others on this list, I am willing to reveal my secrets. Go to www.alexa.com. They have a browser plug-in that will sometimes materialize long-dead webpages from the ether. If and when you get a dread "404 file not found" error, select "View Archived File" from the Alexa plug-in's menubar, and if it's in Alexa's vast cache of webpages, it will appear, as if by magick. Of course, you will have to sell your soul to the devil of advertising, in the form of little ads in the alexa menubar. But it's a small price to pay to be able to see clearly into the akashic record of the world wide web. xx Anyway, here's the article: The BABALON Working Sub-Figura vel Liber Babalon According to tradition, the Sirians who originally settled in Sumeria had cat or lion like bodies. How many hybrids and just plain humans were absorbed into the ancient culture is not exactly known. What is known is that at some time they settled into the area of Cairo and called it Babalon or Babylon which meant Baby Lyon. This city was designated as one of the Sacred Places of the Lion and it was decided that a large repository of knowledge should be constructed nearby so as to preserve their collective wisdom. This construction project turned out to be what we know today as the Great Pyramid and the Sphinx. The Great Pyramid and its satellite pyramids were designed to serve as ancient time clocks that were in synchronization with the entire cyclic nature of the universe. The Sphinx represented the goddess in the form of Bast who was also known as Babalon and eventually Isis. To reiterate what was said earlier, the names Isis and Osiris were derived from Sirius. In the Sphinx and Great Pyramid, the Sirians illustrated the two key principles of their religion. The two aspects were connected by sacred knowledge which could be found in the Hall of Records. Aleister Crowley was schooled in all of this information. When he slept in the Great Pyramid prior to receiving The Book of the Law, he was seeking initiation with no strings attached. Projecting himself beyond his own understanding, he had a profound experience. He connected with forms of consciousness that were not only far beyond the norm, they knew the precise mathematics of the universe and this never ceased to amaze him. The resultant effect was that he spent the rest of his life trying to explain what had happened. Earlier, we spoke of Tetragrammaton, the magical or alchemical formula that accompanied the "first tetrahedron" of existence. The first element in alchemy or the tarot is fire and is assigned to the first point of the tetrahedron of Tetragrammaton. As fire itself forms a wave, the actual pattern of that wave is reproduced to illustrate the vortex shape that resides in the tetrahedron of Stan Tenon's work. This is identical to the ram' s horn and is also the basis of the Hebrew fire letters whereby all the letters of the alphabet could be perceived by rotating the shape within the tetrahedron. With this much symbolism encoded in one particular shape, it is easy to grasp that an energy stream of consciousness is emitted from within the geometric matrix that contains a tetrahedron or a pyramid. It is actually a conical spiral of energy which conforms to a precise mathematical formula known as the Fibonacci spiral. That this cone of energy can influx a mind with extra intelligence was illustrated in history by placing a dunce cap on a slow student. The cone on the head was supposed to make him smarter but evolved into a punishment style degradation of the student concerned. Although Crowley was not known to wear a dunce cap, he did use a magician's hat for some occasions which is really the same thing. The fire or primal energy of Tetragrammaton that exists in the Great Pyramid was linked to the fire and passion of the Sphinx through the passageway known as the Hall of Records. The Sphinx represents the lustful and unrestricted loins of Bast but also the intelligent female Virgo (known to the Romans as Diana, Goddess of the Moon) who transmutes the lower energies into the higher form. In other words, she could tap into the Hall of Records. When Crowley performed sexual magick, he was often trying to tap into the higher
[CTRL] Info on 'Spear of Destiny'
-Caveat Lector- from: prioryofsion digest 547 http://www.onelist.com The mailing list resource page can be found at the following address http://www.albino.com/circle/pos/ Message: 8 Date: 14 Apr 99 01:04:00 EDT From: xxx Subject: Info on 'Spear of Destiny' wrote: An example... I have been trying to find references to Landulf II of Capua (according to Ravenscroft, the most evil figure of the century) Landulf II is mentioned by Ravenscroft (via Von Moltke) as a pre-incarnation of Adolf Hitler, but I can't find any refernces to Landulf II in any of my available historybooks, or Enyclopedia Brittanica or any other encyclopedia. Can anyone enlighten me on this subject? Landulf is mentioned as a key to most of Ravenscrofts philosophy. Ravenscrofts references to Crowley as a black magician (p.167) and a successor of Klingsor (depicted as Landulf II of Capua of the antigrail) Light in Extension / Hello , I just did a search with dogpile: http://www.dogpile.com I got several interesting hits. The one below is especially so since it includes Picasso and his one of his drawings, Parsifal and Hitler with your Klingsor. If you wish more info on Landulf II of Capua I would be glad to do more research. I enjoy your posts. xxx "Klingsor, a powerful black magician steals it and with it wounds Amfortas, the King of the Guardians of The Holy Grail. He then flees with the Spear to his castle where he dominates the surrounding area using powerful black magic. All this while, Amfortas is destined to lay in agony from the wound which never heals; his only hope of recovery being the Spear's return. Parsifal, an heroic fool, is prophesied to return the Spear and heal Amfortas. In an effort to prevent the prophecy coming true, Klingsor uses magic to lure the hero to his Castle where his men are hiding in ambush. Parsifal overcomes Klingsor's men but suddenly Klingsor appears on the castle ramparts and in a final attempt at the hero's destruction, he utters the following words: Halt, I have the right weapon to to fell you ! The fool shall fall to me through his master's Spear. Klingsor hurls the Spear, but as if stopped by the hand of God, it hovers motionless above Parsifal's head. Parsifal reaches up and grasps the Spear and with it makes the Sign of the Cross, saying these words: With this sign I rout your enchantment, As the Spear closes the wound which you dealt him with it may it crush your lying splendour, into mourning and ruin. Klingsor and his Castle then sink into the sea as if hit by an earthquake, and the gardens that once surrounded the castle turn into a wasteland. Parsifal restores the Spear and heals Amfortas of his wound. He then becomes anointed as the new King of the Guardians of The Holy Grail." In the 1934 (Picasso) drawing this pivotal scene is portrayed by the spear hovering above Picasso's head. The spear runs along the top edge of the drawing and when the image is rotated 90 degrees to the left it forms the shaft of a huge letter 'P" in conjunction with the black semi-circle in the upper right corner. The 'P' denotes a cryptic Picasso signature and refers to the artist's identifications with 'Pica' and Parsifal. The central figure is identifiable with Parsifal reaching up and making the Sign of the Cross. His 'flying hand' concealed within the island of light in the right hand figure's face can be seen to be blocking Klingsor's advance, it is located immediately to the left of Klingsor's face which in turn seems to descend from the rear end of the spear in the upper right corner. The figure on the right would seem to characterise Kundry, the witch who was present at Christ's Crucifixion and who under Klingsor's spell attempts to seduce Parsifal. In the drawing she appears possessed by Lucifer or the Devil, both of whom are appropriate characterisations of Klingsor. Behind the hidden face there is a trident form, which seems to reinforce the hidden face's connection with Lucifer. According to Dr Walter Stein and others, Hitler was convinced that in the ninth century he had been incarnated as the historical Klingsor, sometimes known as Landulf II of Capua ! Stein had been a acquaintance of Hitler in the years preceding World War One and claimed that Hitler had at that time undertaken a penetrating study of Von Eschenbach's story and fathomed it's deepest occult meanings. The self identification of Picasso with Parsifal and the self-identification of Hitler with Klingsor appears by some uncanny means to have found its way into the 1934 drawing which might indicate that Picasso had access to secretive information about Hitler and his occult activities at least five years before the Second World War. _ Mark Harris 1996 The Picasso drawing,more of the above text and the subjects below can be seen at: http://www.tamu.edu/mocl/picasso/consp/parsifal.html Symbolism in the 1934 Drawing Picasso's Harlequin Oedipus
Re: [CTRL] Cold War Is Back, With Nuclear Threat
-Caveat Lector- An opinion - that Stealth Bomber is so outdated ts a wonder it made it out of Italy. It is true that a plane such as this from the time it reaches the drawing board and makes it to the defense plant, and is built, it is obsolete.but still, somewhat of a beautiful ship Frankly, I liked it better during the Cold War.that is where you prove to the enemy that you can out talk him, out flank him, and scare the hell out of them and never a bomb is dropped.and the reason it works is simply this your real enemies are more scared of you, than you are of them. Check out Gideon in the Gideon Bible.Judges 5 and 6 etc., and read on until he steals the gold from the Ishmalites earrings. We have things floating up there somewhere that with one beam, could wipe out an entire city. We have artificial lightning, can make peace or war, we can conjure up storms and hurricanes, and droughts.we are a Goliath, taking on a country the size of Ohio.and David would have been blown over by the breath of Goliath, had he used full force. The problem is, and the problem I do not like, is the USA will now portray the role of the bad guys, and the Russians will be the good guys for a change; and China, well I imagine they will dig in a little deeper and increase the size of their wall to continue their effort to keep us out. As Madame Albright said "it is of biblical proportion" when assessing the damage to the Balkans and her cities of refuge...well, genocide always is of "biblical" proportion, because this is from where the idea came, is it not. And wht we are doing is a mild form of genocide; from the deaths come plague, disease, and the ruin of all these poor people had in the world.. This meddlesome woman does not represent me.she does not represent the United States of America..and further, I believe this recent naturalization on her part as a US Citizen was the FIRST time she took the oath It is obvious we do not need troops to win a war, when we have stored anthrax, bubonic plague, AIDS, and poisons too numerous to mention as well as now, radiation tablets to give certain people who have been exposed to radiation unknowingly..perhaps it has reached a point where war is the most humane form of genocide - and don't worry, we will be able to watch it on CNN and MSNBCand already are witnessing it in the Balkans. We have the means to wipe out the entire world, in the twinkling of an eye. So much for the Butcher of the Balkans and her TV appearance today and Rubins "method acting" - from where do all these people come? It will soon be the anniversary date of WACO, brought to you by the Butcher of WACO, and promoted by the news media who got bored waitng for some action, and pushed the date to a quick conclusion. Why isn't Janet Reno sitting in there beside Timothy McVey - at least this kid appeared to be completely brainwashed and who did it? Meanwhile, our President is talking about all the victims, and his hands are as white as the newly driven snow.he must wash them ten times daily. If you want to read all about the NWO master plan, just do as David Koresh did, and as the Halle Bopp Clan did.they knew what this Master Plan of Death was. Colleen DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] VIRUS WARNING!!!!!
-Caveat Lector- On Thur, 15 Apr 1999 10:33:12 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If you receive an email entitled "It Takes Guts to Say 'Jesus'" DO NOT open it. It will erase everything on your hard drive. Forward this letter out to as many people as you can. This is a new, very malicious virus and not many people know about it. This information was announced Sunday morning from IBM; please share it with everyone that might access the Internet. Once again, pass this along to EVERYONE in your address book so that this may be stopped. AOL has said that this is a very dangerous virus and that there is NO remedy for it at this time. from: http://www.av.ibm.com/BreakingNews/VirusAlert/Aptiva/ IBM has determined that a small number of Aptiva PCs with model numbers 240, 301, 520 and 580 manufactured between March 5 and March 17, 1999, and sold in the United States, have been exposed to the CIH computer virus. No other Aptiva models or IBM products are known to be affected. The CIH virus, which is spread from one PC to another when an executable file is transferred, may render an infected PC inoperable when the date on the PC's internal calendar reads April 26 of any year. For more information, including how affected users can obtain an AntiVirus Update CD from IBM that corrects the problem, IBM Aptiva owners can go to http://www.ibm.com/support and click on "Aptiva CIH Virus" in the "Short cuts" list, or call the IBM HelpCenter around-the-clock at 1-800-600-8235. -- Invalid thought detected. Close all mental processes and restart body. DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Serb militia atrocity: Mass rape in Kosovo
-Caveat Lector- Someone should make a bumpersticker Feel free. DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Serb militia atrocity: Mass rape in Kosovo
-Caveat Lector- Volcano. After a war, you can rebuild. After a volcano you have to settle down somewhere else (assuming you lived through it). Oooops! I forgot the Bhopal/Chernobyl grade hazmat release. One embedded chip fritzes from Y2K an there's goes the WHOLE neighborhood. It takes about four months to shut down a nuclear power station. It can't be scrammed safely if the grid goes down because there isn't a nuke on the continent that has back up power on site for the cooling pond pumps. Without IMMEDIATE cooling, the rods catch fire. The smoke is exactly the thing you don't want up wind. We are ALL downwinders. So, come July either the nukes get pulled out of the grid, eliminating the redundancy factor at the height of air conditioner season (the SAFE strategy) or we're all playing Russian roulette. DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Cold War Is Back, With Nuclear Threat
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 4/15/99 9:36:41 AM EST, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: That's when somebody, I don't recall who, tagged it "Star Wars." Maybe some of it was implemented, but essentially it stalled, was dead in the water, because of media ridicule. Interestingly, now we're hearing members of the left bring it up again, calling it a pretty good idea. Reagan alluded that Star Wars might be used to protect us from other-worldy enemies. We'll be nuked long before an effective system can be developed to prevent it -- even if it had been fully funded in the '80's. I don't think we have the ability to develop and effective missile defense system. It's just throwing good money after bad, feeding the hungry military-industrial complex. Why the "left" (misnomer) is supporting it now is beyond me, and I'm *one of them*. Samm DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] [[CTRL] Info on Spear of Destiny]
-Caveat Lector- Kris Millegan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -Caveat Lector- from: prioryofsion digest 547 http://www.onelist.com The mailing list resource page can be found at the following address http://www.albino.com/circle/pos/ Message: 8 Date: 14 Apr 99 01:04:00 EDT From: xxx Subject: Info on 'Spear of Destiny' wrote: An example... I have been trying to find references to Landulf II of Capua (according to Ravenscroft, the most evil figure of the century) Landulf II is mentioned by Ravenscroft (via Von Moltke) as a pre-incarnation of Adolf Hitler, but I can't find any refernces to Landulf II in any of my available historybooks, or Enyclopedia Brittanica or any other encyclopedia. Can anyone enlighten me on this subject? Landulf is mentioned as a key to most of Ravenscrofts philosophy. Ravenscrofts references to Crowley as a black magician (p.167) and a successor of Klingsor (depicted as Landulf II of Capua of the antigrail) Light in Extension / The only non-occult source I could turn up on Landulf II of Capua was http://web.raex.com/~obsidian/soitaly.html, which is a collection of lists of rulers of various and sundry Southern Italian states. There's nothing on Landulf except his name and dates: Landulf II, 862-879. There's one genealogical site as well but no biographical information. *Everything* else out there seems to refer back to Ravenscroft either directly or indirectly. Bob = Robert F. Tatman [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Remove "nospam" from the address to reply. NOTICE: In accordance with Title 17 U.S.C. Section 107, this material is distributed without profit to those who have expressed a prior interest in receiving the included information for research and educational purposes. For more information go to: http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/17/107.shtml POSTING THIS MESSAGE TO THE INTERNET DOES NOT IMPLY PERMISSION TO SEND UNSOLICITED COMMERCIAL E-MAIL (SPAM) TO THIS OR ANY OTHER INTERNET ADDRESS. RECEIPT OF SPAM WILL RESULT IN IMMEDIATE NOTIFICATION OF THE SENDER'S ISP. Get your own FREE, personal Netscape WebMail account today at http://webmail.netscape.com. DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] The World's Wickedest Women - Elizabeth Bathory
-Caveat Lector- If'n folks are interested, they can check out an article on Elizabeth "Blood Countess" Bathory at: http://www.parascope.com/en/articles/vampires06.htm Peace out, Charles Overbeck DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Well, So much for privacy
-Caveat Lector- A Search for the Highest Bidder by Polly Sprenger 5:15 p.m. 13.Apr.99.PDT AltaVista, the popular search engine, is preparing to auction the results for the most-requested search terms to the highest bidder. Words like "football," "sex," and "cars" that return more than 100,000 hits are being sold by auction through Doubleclick, an Internet advertising company. The first auction, which began 7 April, ends Wednesday. The minimum bid is 25 cents per keyword search. AltaVista is only selling the first search result on the site, but more could be added later. These are not banner ads, however. "Purchase the first or second listing and the user will see your text link at the top of the result page," the Doubleclick memo reads. But Doubleclick CEO Kevin O'Connor said Wednesday that the auctioned search positions will appear in a distinct and separate area of the AltaVista results page, and will be clearly labeled as sold positions. Other search engines are less than impressed with AltaVista's move, and say they don't intend to follow suit. "We don't want to speculate on what AltaVista is or is not doing," said Melissa Walia, a spokeswoman for Excite. "But we don't sell placements and results and have no intention to. We think it's important to be clear with the consumer about what is a search result and have that be objective." Doubleclick and AltaVista declined to comment, saying that final terms for the program aren't established. However, Doubleclick's West Coast marketing manager confirmed that all terms included in a letter sent to customers were accurate. Editor's note: This story has been corrected. Comments attributed to Doubleclick suggesting that AltaVista wished to downplay its strategy could not be independently confirmed and have been removed. Further, comments that the sold search positions were identical to regular search results were incorrect. Wired News regrets the error. http://www.wired.com/news/news/technology/story/19110.html DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] An interesting Page
-Caveat Lector- The Final Phase http://www.northcoast.com/~jnyquist/ DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Can any verify this?
-Caveat Lector- Hello all, I just came across some information. Can any verify this? Comments? "Executive Orders are for selling and purchasing of land. And nothing else, in fact there is NO Constitutional Amendment to create an EO. And until there is these EOs are NULL VOID!!!" Thanks, Hilary DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Info on 'Spear of Destiny'
-Caveat Lector- Get the album - rather expensive, get it, tape it, and return itThe Ring - Wagners Ring..the beautiful Tannhauser, and the ride of the Valkyreis; now my spelling is off here..this beautiful music is always reserved for the super rich, while our children are fed garbage. occasionally public services shows part of it, but the movie Meeting Venus shows the traumatic effect the works of Richard Wagner had on the people of Germanyto me it is probably the most beautiful creation in this history of music; however, I do like offenbach's Orpheus in the Underworld..Offenbach, was a Russian jew, who wrote the French Can Can. In the works of Richrd Wagner, one sees beauty and power and well, get the album. librarys have it tooyou could traumatize as nation with music such as this. now that is why the South plays Dixie, they do towant to put anybody to sleep. i always like to follow the paths of the pied pipersfor they know where they are taking us well in advance. Colleen DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Can any verify this?
-Caveat Lector- "Executive Orders are for selling and purchasing of land. And nothing else, in fact there is NO Constitutional Amendment to create an EO. And until there is these EOs are NULL VOID!!!" I may be wrong, but I always thought an EO was a way of circumventing the US constitution as their authority rests on the President, whom I assume makes sure he has enough support in the House and Senate before issuing one. As for null and void, technically they probably are but like many "temporary" political meaures (income tax springs to mind) they would likely be upheld by the US courts as having garnered a certain "legitimacy" by their unchallenged use and the presumed consensus (?) reached before the issuance of them. Jamieson DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Can any verify this?
-Caveat Lector- JFK according to Jim Marrs.had on his desk a signed Executive Action Order which would have caused the Federal Reserve System to shudder - it was alleged when his father was told by his son what he was going to do, his father said "They will kill youthey will never let you do that"..and they did.the day he signed this order, he was on his way to Dallas. Read Jim Marrs book; Mr. Marrs wrote to me once in a letter, that he believed John Wilkes Booth escaped that barn that dayand I believe he is right - or at least, I hope he wasas for Alexander Hamilton being killed by Aaron Burr - one of my ancestors was a Pierpont and married into that family, and it was Burr who killled Hamilton, because Hamilton was in on this federal reserve system. Now, I am going from memory here; but really, check out Jim Marrs bookwell worth reading anything he writesmovie JFK written by Marrs (or book based on) goes into the history of the crime; but today, we see and are beginning to see the master plan of the crime unfold. colleen DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Cold War Is Back, With Nuclear Threat
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 4/15/99 12:36:39 PM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Reagan alluded that Star Wars might be used to protect us from other-worldy enemies. We'll be nuked long before an effective system can be developed to prevent it -- even if it had been fully funded in the '80's. I don't think we have the ability to develop and effective missile defense system. It's just throwing good money after bad, feeding the hungry military-industrial complex. Why the "left" (misnomer) is supporting it now is beyond me, and I'm *one of them*. Samm Reagan alluded to the possibility of alien invaders, but I don't recall that being connected with SDI. Do you have the quote? You are correct that left is a misnomer. I've said for some time now that left, right, liberal, and conservative are passe terms, because they no longer clearly define anything. I prefer counting myself among the "common sense" faction, and sometimes that's left and sometimes it's right. You make some other logical points, among them that you can't trust the military-industrial complex to spend the money properly, and that it's probably too late anyway. However, Reagan also made a logical point that I agree with: The best deterrent to war is a strong and powerful military. It is also logical to conclude that if there is a threat, it is suicidal not to do what ever is possible to defend yourself. All in all, a catch-22 I guess. Jim DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] A New (?) Virus Hoax
-Caveat Lector- WHAT FOLLOWS IS A HOAX, which will be immediately obvious when you read it. I found it on DOE's CIAC (Computer Incident Advisory Capability) website, http://ciac.llnl.gov/ciac/CIACHoaxes.html. I don't normally circulate these things, but this one happens to be so lovely that I thought people might appreciate it... = Greeks Bearing Gifts March 1999 WARNING!! BEWARE GREEKS BEARING GIFTS! WARNING! WARNING! WARNING! IF YOU RECEIVE A GIFT IN THE SHAPE OF A LARGE WOODEN HORSE DO NOT DOWNLOAD IT It is EXTREMELY DESTRUCTIVE and will overwrite your ENTIRE CITY! The "gift" is disguised as a large wooden horse about two stories tall. It tends to show up outside the city gates and appears to be abandoned. DO NOT let it through the gates! It contains hardware that is incompatible with Trojan programming, including a crowd of heavily armed Greek warriors that will destroy your army, sack your town, and kill your women and children. If you have already received such a gift, DO NOT OPEN IT! Take it back out of the city unopened and set fire to it by the beach. FORWARD THIS MESSAGE TO EVERYONE YOU KNOW! Poseidon === A possibly related story tells of how, early in the Justice Department's investigation of Microsoft, Bill Gates attempted to bribe President Clinton into dropping the charges. Fortunately, and perhaps atypically, Clinton refused the bribe, with the admonition "Beware of geeks bearing graft." ;^D Bob = Robert F. Tatman [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Remove "nospam" from the address to reply. NOTICE: In accordance with Title 17 U.S.C. Section 107, this material is distributed without profit to those who have expressed a prior interest in receiving the included information for research and educational purposes. For more information go to: http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/17/107.shtml POSTING THIS MESSAGE TO THE INTERNET DOES NOT IMPLY PERMISSION TO SEND UNSOLICITED COMMERCIAL E-MAIL (SPAM) TO THIS OR ANY OTHER INTERNET ADDRESS. RECEIPT OF SPAM WILL RESULT IN IMMEDIATE NOTIFICATION OF THE SENDER'S ISP. Get your own FREE, personal Netscape WebMail account today at http://webmail.netscape.com. DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] For CTRL Old Timers
-Caveat Lector- Ah, yes, fond memories of Willie A block of his posts may be standard now in list server software. --- Jim Yester [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -Caveat Lector- Reposted without comment. -JY Subj:[SonsofLiberty] Posts Date: 4/15/99 1:28:05 PM Eastern Daylight Time From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Willie Martin) Reply-to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] From: "Willie Martin" [EMAIL PROTECTED] I am wondering why you don't send out the posts that I send to you, are they not good enough for your list; are they too poorly written; does the subject matter not meet your criteris; or just what is the matter with them that you don't distribute them? DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om === Jeff Russo [EMAIL PROTECTED] - "The power of accurate observation is often called cynicism by those who have not got it." -- George Bernard Shaw _ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Breaking News: Gun Kills 2, Wounds 4 at Mormon Library
-Caveat Lector- Thursday, April 15, 1999 15:45 EDT Gunman opens fire Kills 2, wounds 4, before being shot to death by police By Paul Foy Associated Press SALT LAKE CITY -- A gunman opened fire today at the Mormon church's Family History Library, killing two people and wounding four others before he was shot to death by police. Police SWAT teams were combing the building to determine whether another gunman was inside the building more than two hours after the 10:30 a.m. shooting began. Seventeen people on the second floor who had locked themselves inside when the shooting began were evacuated unharmed early this afternoon as SWAT teams continued to comb the building, said Police Chief Ruben Ortega. Police were skeptical of early suspicions that a second gunman was involved. Mayor Deedee Corradini told reporters that a library security guard and a female patron had died of their wounds and that the suspect also had died. Ortega said police had identified the gunman, who had a local address, but they did not immediately release his name. The gunman, who had exchanged gunfire with police, was taken out of the building to an ambulance parked in front of a nearby restaurant, but paramedics believed he might be wired with an explosive and the area was evacuated. He died in the ambulance and police Sgt. Ken Hansen said he had no explosives. Hansen said the four wounded included a police officer. The wounds were not believed to be life-threatening, he said. Lyman Platt, a genealogist, said a gunman entered the library and quickly fired off a dozen rounds. "He came in the lobby and shot a lady in the head and two or three other men," Platt said. Jaqueline Nelson, a researcher who was working on the first floor, said: "We heard a pop and somebody said, `Everybody get down.' There were 10 or 12 pops, and somebody yelled `Somebody's shooting!" Shots were fired as much as 45 minutes after officers arrived on the scene, at first leading police to believe there might be a second gunman. The library, one of the world's top centers for genealogical research, is directly across the street from Temple Square, site of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints' Salt Lake Temple and Tabernacle. According to a church Web site, it has more than 2 million rolls of microfilm copies of census and other records from more than 100 countries. An international genealogical convention had attracted heavy traffic to the library, which has two floors below ground level and three above. Some 250 people -- patrons and employees -- are in the building on a typical day. A KSL-TV employee, Tamara Orr, said a man matching the description of a suspect asked her for directions to the Family History Library earlier this morning. The man, who appeared to be in his late 50s, was bearded and wore disheveled clothes. The man drove a yellow moving truck, which KSL reported was being investigated by a police bomb squad early this afternoon. The truck was parked near the station, three blocks west of the history library. The church has been involved in genealogy since its founding nearly 170 years ago. The church amasses the records for what it calls the baptism of the dead. Mormons believe that such baptisms give the dead the opportunity to join the Mormon church in the afterlife. = Robert F. Tatman [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Remove "nospam" from the address to reply. NOTICE: In accordance with Title 17 U.S.C. Section 107, this material is distributed without profit to those who have expressed a prior interest in receiving the included information for research and educational purposes. For more information go to: http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/17/107.shtml POSTING THIS MESSAGE TO THE INTERNET DOES NOT IMPLY PERMISSION TO SEND UNSOLICITED COMMERCIAL E-MAIL (SPAM) TO THIS OR ANY OTHER INTERNET ADDRESS. RECEIPT OF SPAM WILL RESULT IN IMMEDIATE NOTIFICATION OF THE SENDER'S ISP. Get your own FREE, personal Netscape WebMail account today at http://webmail.netscape.com. DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/
[CTRL] July 1999
-Caveat Lector- "1999 and seven months / Comes a king of terror from the sky ... Reviving the great king of the 'Angolmois' " ..." --Nostradamus It just occurred to me that July (seventh month) 1999 is the MILLENNIAL anniversary of the taking of Jerusalem by the Crusaders (and Knights Templar) and the crowning of the first European CHRISTIAN "king" of the Holy Land, till then under Muslim control ... During the last two years, there have been posts on CTRL that indicated the Knights of Malta (SMOM) --the Vatican's virtual army, interlocking with the CIA, Mafia, neofascist Masonic Lodges like P2, and NATO bigwigs like Alexander Haig -- were reorganizing and gearing up for a "jihad" against non-European non-Christians in the Near East -- the crossroads to which lie in the Balkans and across the Bosporus, i.e., in Turkey. It DOES seem now that the E.U., successor to the HRE, is trying to elbow the Muslims of Albania and elsewhere in the Balkans OUT of Europe, OFF the continent proper, and sweep the Eastern Orthodox nations eastward, back under the umbrella of "Russia," with its own sphere of influence across the Urals. "Housecleaning," you might say. Also, lately there has been a continuing effort by the Vatican to "convert" Russia (in keeping with the "command" of the so-called "Fatima Prophecies") and bring the entire Eastern Orthodox branch of Christendom under the direct control of the Pope, in effect reconstituting the mostly-Slavic Habsburg Empire, historically a counterpole to, and bulwark against, Western European expansionism -- up until the outbreak of World War One, when it simply became a battlefield between greedy Germany and greedy Russia. Makes me wonder how "integrated" the newborn EU actually is, what with its member nations split between secular or Protestant and traditional CATHOLIC allegiences ... What's up, I wonder? A new "Crusades" for the Middle East, the Balkans onward? DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Breaking News: Gun Kills 2, Wounds 4 at Mormon Library
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 99-04-15 15:53:37 EDT, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Lyman Platt, a genealogist, said a gunman entered the library and quickly fired off a dozen rounds. Bad genes, obviously ... DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Big Brother -- NATO's Censor Squad
-Caveat Lector- "The order for the TV station to stop broadcasting was issued by the 'Independent Media Commission,' a panel of international officials that is charged with regulating broadcasting media in postwar Bosnia. "The IMC has the authority to call in the NATO-led Stabilization Force, SFOR, to make sure the station goes off the air." Bosnian Serb TV Station Banned By AIDA CERKEZ-ROBINSON .c The Associated Press SARAJEVO, Bosnia-Herzegovina (AP) -- A Bosnian Serb TV station was ordered to stop broadcasting because its coverage of the Kosovo crisis was deemed inflammatory and inaccurate, a senior international official said Thursday. The program of Kanal S, based in the wartime Bosnian Serb stronghold of Pale, near Sarajevo, ``had a very inflammatory'' program, said Alexandra Stiglmayer, the spokeswoman for Bosnia's top international official, Carlos Westendorp. The order to stop broadcasting was issued Wednesday by the Independent Media Commission, a panel of international and local officials that is charged with regulating and licensing broadcasting media in postwar Bosnia. It came after Kanal S failed to respond to previous warnings to stop its biased reporting of NATO airstrikes intended to force Yugoslav President Slobodan Milosevic to withdraw his forces from Kosovo, a province of Serbia, the dominant republic of Yugoslavia. The station has rallied to back fellow Serbs under attack. The station has failed to report, for example, on the tens of thousands of ethnic Albanian refugees forced from their homes by Milosevic's forces and has portrayed the Serbs as victims of NATO aggression. If the station does not comply, Westendorp's office will ask local authorities to enforce the order. If they ignore it, Westendorp, who is responsible for carrying out the Dayton peace plan that ended Bosnia's 3 1/2-year war, will consider other options, Stiglmayer said. Ultimately, Westendorp has the authority to call in the NATO-led Stabilization Force, SFOR, deployed in Bosnia to make sure the station goes off the air. DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Cassava-Dependent Africans Warned of Konzo Disease
-Caveat Lector- Cassava-Dependent Africans Warned of Konzo Disease Africa News Service 14-APR-99 DAKAR, Senegal (PANA, 04/14/99) - A ranking Nigerian-born toxilogical researcher, Dr John Tor-Agbidye, Wednesday cautioned Africans in cassava-dependent zones that they faced the danger of developing spastic paraparesis or Konzo, arising from high levels of cynide. The disease, which mainly occurs in areas of low protein intake, attacks the right and left side of the brain and later causes impairment of the legs. In an interview with PANA, Tor-Agbidye said that epidemic levels of the disease had already been recorded in the Democratic Republic of Congo, Mozambique and Tanzania, where it had affected between 3 percent and 10 percent of the population in some areas. He was one of the co-presenters at a symposium on nutritional neurotoxity at the 4th international congress of the Society of Neuroscientists of Africa, which entered its third day in the Senegalese capital Wednesday. The scientist said that in malnourished individuals, the disease is sparked by lack of sulfur amino acids which help to detoxicate the body of cynate, a by-product of cynide. According to Tor-Agbidye, who works at the National Center for Toxilogical Reserach in Oregon, US, konzo strikes people who feed on cassava flour made from the bitter cassava. He said cassava growers preferred the bitter cassava because of its higher yield and resistance to drought and pests. "The problem is that it contains high levels of cynides to the tune of between 50 and 200 milligrammes per kilo," he noted. Tor-Agbidye said that Tropical Ataxic Aeuropathy, a chronic type of the disease, had hit school children in eastern Nigeria, who were fed on cassava during the 1967-1970 civil war. But the disease was less severe because the children were eating other protein containing foods, he added. Tor-Agbidye advised people in cassava consuming areas to "adhere to the traditional methods of processing cassava, includig fermentation for three days." Governments also need to encourage people to grow other legumes which can help in detoxicating cynate within the body. The scientist conceded, however, that it was difficult for people in food deficit areas to wait for the cassava to ferment before it is turned into flour. This was also impossible in times of conflict, as is the case with the Democratic Republic of Congo. Meanwhile, another scientist, Dr Peter Spenser, said that unusually high consumption of the grass pea, scientifically known as "Lathyrus sativus", was responsible for a disease called "lathyrism", a self-limiting degerative disorder of the central motor pathway. Cases of lathyris, usually follow periods of extreme enviromental difficulty, such as floods or drought or disrupted conditions such as war or famine. Spencer said that lathyrism has affected humans and animals on at least four continents, "although one needs to go deep in the countryside to realise its gravity." "Today, human cases are present in Africa (Ethiopia, Eritrea), on the Indian subcontinent (Bangladesh, India and Nepal), in northwestern China and in parts of Europe (Spain)," he told PANA. He noted that these peas, of which there are over 500 species, also exist in Morocco, but "they usually don't cause harm where there is no excessive consumption." According to him, lathyrism has clinical similarities to Konzo. "Conceivably, the two nutritional neurotoxic disorders might share a a common pathogenesis, namely pertubaryiob of the AMPA-mediated neurotransmission resulting in neuronal over excitation and degeneration," he said. By Peter Masebu, PANA Staff Correspondent = Robert F. Tatman [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Remove "nospam" from the address to reply. NOTICE: In accordance with Title 17 U.S.C. Section 107, this material is distributed without profit to those who have expressed a prior interest in receiving the included information for research and educational purposes. For more information go to: http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/17/107.shtml POSTING THIS MESSAGE TO THE INTERNET DOES NOT IMPLY PERMISSION TO SEND UNSOLICITED COMMERCIAL E-MAIL (SPAM) TO THIS OR ANY OTHER INTERNET ADDRESS. RECEIPT OF SPAM WILL RESULT IN IMMEDIATE NOTIFICATION OF THE SENDER'S ISP. Get your own FREE, personal Netscape WebMail account today at http://webmail.netscape.com. DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be
[CTRL] The Vatican and Genocide
-Caveat Lector- Another Catholic "martyr," like the Nazi collaborator the Pope recently honored? Bishop's Arrest Upsets Vatican .c The Associated Press VATICAN CITY (AP) -- The arrest of a bishop accused of having a role in Rwanda's 1994 genocide is ``an act of extreme gravity,'' the Vatican said Thursday. In its first comment since the arrest Wednesday of Bishop Augustin Misago, the Vatican expressed the hope that the prelate's ``innocence will be rapidly proved.'' Justice Minister Jean de Dieu Mucyo said in Rwanda that the bishop was being held in ``preventive detention'' until authorities decide whether to try him in Kigali or in his diocese of Gikongoro, in southern Rwanda. He is accused of having a role in the genocide that killed more than 500,000 minority Tutsis and politically moderate Hutus. ``The arrest of a bishop is an act of extreme gravity that not only wounds the church in Rwanda but the entire Catholic church,'' said Vatican spokesman Joaquin Navarro-Valls. Misago is the highest-ranking church official to be arrested on genocide charges. So far, 19 Rwandan priests have been jailed on suspicion of aiding the killings, which ended in July 1994 when the Tutsi-led Rwandan Patriotic Front won power and ousted the extremist Hutu government. A total of 125,000 people have been jailed on suspicion of taking part in the genocide, and more than 1,000 have been tried. Relations between the government and the Catholic church have been tense. Groups of genocide survivors have demanded a public apology from the Catholic clergy for the killings in churches and missionary-run schools, where thousands of Tutsis were hacked and burned to death by Hutu soldiers and militiamen, often with the alleged complicity of the priests. Rwandan President Pasteur Bizimungu and Tutsi survivors of the massacres in Gikongoro Prefecture said Misago refused shelter to Tutsis trying to escape death from Hutu mobs. DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Palestinian Arabs + Russia + China ...
-Caveat Lector- Arafat Asks Chinese for Support BEIJING (AP) -- Palestinian leader Yasser Arafat met with China's president on Thursday to win Beijing's support for the declaration of a Palestinian state as early as next month, state-run media reported. While stopping short of a public pledge of support, Chinese President Jiang Zemin said China backed ``the just cause of the Palestinian people,'' the Xinhua News Agency said. ``Palestinians will surely realize their lofty goals of restoring their legitimate national rights and establishing an independent Palestinian state'' so long as they adhere to peaceful negotiations with Israel, Xinhua quoted Jiang as saying. Arafat arrived in Beijing early Thursday for two days of talks with Chinese leaders. Arafat has been meeting with world leaders to learn whether they would support him if he unilaterally declared an independent Palestinian state on May 4, the end of a five-year interim period of autonomy. His visits have included Japan, India, Pakistan, Indonesia, Yemen, Russia, South Africa and Turkey. DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] NATO: Oops! Well, Shit Happens.
-Caveat Lector- The United States says it regrets [killing 64 noncombatant Albanian refugees] -- but blames Milosevic for 'making' us do it. BRUSSELS (Reuters) - NATO admitted Thursday it mistakenly bombed a refugee convoy in Kosovo but vowed to press ahead with its air war against Yugoslavia. The United States said it regretted the carnage but blamed Yugoslav Slobodan Milosevic for driving the ethnic Albanian civilians from their homes in the first place. U.S Secretary of Defense William Cohen, promising to intensify aid raids, accused Milosevic of cynically making propaganda out of the attack in which Serb officials say 64 civilians were killed. Cohen told the Senate Armed Services Committee that Milosevic's description of the attack as an atrocity was ``one of the most grotesque statements I can conceive of.'' Despite pictures of limbless civilians amid the wreckage of tractors that flashed around the world, the alliance has pushed ahead with its air war aimed at forcing Milosevic to bend to its demand for a Yugoslav troop withdrawal from Kosovo. Anti-aircraft fire resounded across Belgrade overnight and explosions shook the Yugoslav capital in the biggest bombardment since air strikes started three weeks ago. At NATO's Brussels headquarters spokesman Jamie Shea said the alliance was taking every possible precaution to avoid collateral damage but one tragic accident would not weaken its resolve. NATO played a tape recording of the F-16 pilot who carried out the attack, in which the alliance says one of its bombs appeared to have mistakenly hit a civilian vehicle. He said he made two passes over a three-vehicle convoy of dark green, two-and-a-half ton vehicles and fired a laser-guided bomb at the lead vehicle on his third pass. He said he had seen a villages burning on the main Prizren-Djakovica-Decani highway and convoys of uprooted civilians in a bottleneck at the north entrance to Prizren. He said he believed the vehicles he attacked were Yugoslav military or police conducting an ethnic cleansing operation. Serbian official media said 64 people died when the convoy of about 100 tractors, cars and other vehicles carrying several thousand refugees was attacked from the air on a highway near the south Kosovan town of Djakovica. ``We cannot confirm the figures given by Serb sources, but NATO regrets any harm to innocent civilians, and reminds that the circumstances in which this accident occurred are wholly the responsibility of President Milosevic and his policies,'' the alliance said. In London, British Foreign Secretary Robin Cook accused Yugoslav leaders of hypocrisy. ``I will not accept the criticism that is emanating from Belgrade,'' Cook told a news conference. ``How dare they now produce crocodile tears for people killed in the conflict for which they are responsible.'' Meanwhile European Union leaders backed a United Nations conditional peace plan for Kosovo. German Chancellor Gerhard Schroeder, whose country holds the current presidency of the 15-nation bloc, said Thursday Yugoslavia would have to accept all the West's conditions for a Kosovo settlement before NATO suspended bombing. ``This, and only in this order, would make it possible to suspend NATO's military measures and open the way to a political solution,'' Schroeder told parliament in Bonn. Schroeder also said he was ready to meet Victor Chernomyrdin, appointed by President Boris Yeltsin Wednesday as his Yugoslavia envoy. Kremlin aides said the veteran former premier had a mandate to seek ``unorthodox'' solutions to the Kosovo conflict. Germany has been at the forefront of diplomatic efforts to bind Russia -- Belgrade's traditional ally -- into an international settlement to the Balkan crisis. Chernomyrdin welcomed a German peace plan for Kosovo, signaling a mellowing in Moscow's tough stance against NATO. ``We have to back a peaceful way out of this crisis and what Germany is proposing today -- to stop all military action for at least 24 hours and look for compromises -- deserves attention,'' he told reporters in Moscow. DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To
Re: [CTRL] NATO: Oops! Well, Shit Happens.
-Caveat Lector- I just watched Clinton on TV; and guess what, he has been drinking more water than I have ever seen before. Rather like the little "Nanny" on TV that murdered a little baby, but was released because it was not "intentional" Do not know if we have any Indian experts on the line but - Indians when they wanted to test the honest of a person, they would use the old knife trick, which worked like a lie detector. They would heat a knife, and place it upon the person's tongue. Now the liar, they say, would have a dry tongue. Now either Clinton was lying, or he is on a medication causing thirst. During the Nanny trial, I watched that little girl guzzle down a gallon of water a day.now any Indian would know what that meant. Must watch Madame Albright at her next dinner, and see if her tongue sticks to the roof of her mouth. Colleen DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Aw Shucks, Merely a Bit of Collateral Damage
-Caveat Lector- NATO Bombs Albanian Village in Kosovo Breaking News - More as it becomes available. NATO Bombs 2 Refugee Convoys 85 Murdered - 31 Maimed CNN Journalists Report they Observed Wreckage and Dead Refugees at Two Separate Sites. Refugees from Convoys Say there were Refugees Only! Angry and Confused - "Why did NATO Bomb us?" http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/world/europe/newsid_319000/319943.stm Thursday, April 15, 1999 Published at 12:20 GMT 13:20 UK World: Europe Nato pilot bombed refugees F-16: Pilot made several passes before releasing bomb Nato has admitted that it bombed a refugee convoy on Wednesday, leaving Kosovo refugees dead, after a pilot mistook the civilian vehicles for Yugoslav military units. But, apologising for the loss of life, Nato spokesman Jamie Shea said that the "tragic accident" would not undermine the alliance's resolve to bring an end to Yugoslav President Slobodan Milosevic's ethnic cleansing of the province. "Sometimes one has to risk the lives of the few to save the lives of the many," said Mr Shea. Nato's admission came the day after more than 60 refugees were reported to have been killed in at least two attacks in the south of the province. At first the Pentagon had suggested that Serb forces had attacked convoys of refugees - a statement it later withdrew. 'Bombed in good faith' Hear the pilot talk through the bombing raid Speaking to reporters at Nato headquarters in Brussels, Mr Shea said: "A Nato pilot was operating over western Kosovo and saw villages being burnt. "This is an area where the Yugoslav special forces have been conducting ethnic cleansing in the last few days." Mr Shea said the F-16 fighter pilot identified vehicles moving on the main road between Prizren and Djakovica, a route described by Nato as a key military supply corridor. "The pilot attacked what he believed to be military vehicles," said Mr Shea. "He dropped his bomb in good faith, as you would expect of a trained pilot from a democratic country. "The pilot reported at that time that he had attacked a military convoy. "The bomb destroyed the lead vehicle which we now believe to have been a civilian vehicle." Mr Shea said that despite the accident, Nato was taking more measures than any other force in combat history to minimise harm to civilians. Sadaf Maruf: "Nato has stressed it was aiming at military targets" But he stressed that even with the best military hardware available, there could never be a guarantee that there would not be tragic accidents. And he added: "The refugees want Nato to continue its operations. And continue we will. "One tragic accident cannot and will not undermine our conviction that our cause is a just one." Pilot explains attack In a recorded debriefing, the unidentified pilot explained how he became convinced that the vehicles he attacked were Yugoslav forces systematically burning house after house. An eyewitnesses describes the attack "The picture that I'm getting is that MUP (Yugoslav) forces are methodically woking from the north to the south and forcing the Kosovo Albanians from their villages," he tells the interviewer. Operating with a wing-man, the F-16 pilot made several passes over a convoy near Djakovica. After identifying more than 60 vehicles, he spots a further three "uniform shaped dark green vehicles" stopping near a home. Fearing an attack on civilians, the pilot made two further passes below the cloud line. He "eyeballed" and then identified the vehicles with targeting equipment before bombing. Cook denounces 'hypocrisy' TV reports: Serb media have accused Nato of murder UK Foreign Secretary Robin Cook accused the Yugoslav authorities of hypocrisy. "How dare they now produce crocodile tears for people killed in the conflict for which they are responsible," he said. Marko Gasic, spokesman for the Serb Information Exchange, told the BBC that the convoy had been returning to the town of Djakovica when it was attacked twice by Nato bombers. Bombing intensifies During a night of clear skies, Yugoslavia was subjected to one of the heaviest air strikes since Nato raids began three weeks ago. (Click here for a map showing Nato's latest strikes). Up to six powerful explosions shook the capital, Belgrade, shattering windows and tearing doors from their frames. John Simpson in Belgrade: It has played entirely into President Milosevic's hands Serbian media said army barracks at Racovica about 8km from the city centre had been hit, and power supplies to the region cut. Nato air strikes destroyed two bridges in central and southern Serbia, one of them leading to the Kosovo capital of Pristina. Pristina was also reported to be under heavy bombardment. Two transmitters were hit, cutting programmes of the state-run television. DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are
[CTRL] The F Zone
-Caveat Lector- The F Zone: Not since the Boston Tea Party has there been a tax event with as much impact as THF Pictures "The F Zone," a new, independent explosively dramatic action film about some of the horrors, strong arm tactics and ruthless behavior of the U.S. Internal Revenue Service http://www.thfpictures.com/f_zone_main_page.htm BACKGROUND: The 16th Amendment states, " The Congress shall have the power to lay and collect taxes on incomes, from whatever source derived without apportionment among the several states, and without regard to any census of enumeration." In recent history the IRS targeted the entertainment industry for large scale tax changes. Specifically in the definitions of employee vs. independent contractor and the determination thereof. These changes were made by broadly interpreting existing tax laws and unfortunately came at the expense of small companies without the resources to fight the large levies placed on them by IRS and state agencies. The recent insurgence of patriot groups, militia and other similar groups is related to the rising discontent with the tax system as well as the federal government. These groups, in general, feel the government has become too powerful an entity in which the rights of the individual are continually eroded. Recent disclosures, such as the government's radiation experiments upon unwitting participants, the Iran-Contra drugs-for-weapons scandal, the leaving behind of American POW's in North Korea, or the CIA's fundraising by selling crack in our inner cities, has led to an ever increasing distrust of the American Government. And now, recent evidence has suggested that the sixteenth amendment to the Constitution, upon which all authority for modern taxation rests, was never legally ratified. The number of states that ratified it was less than the three-fourths margin needed to declare it an amendment, yet the acting Secretary of State in 1913 declared it ratified. Patriot groups have used this information, as well as an extensive knowledge of the laws, U.S. codes, and the Constitution, to "legally" avoid paying taxes. Multiple members of congress have made it their platform and vow to change the tax system and the IRS. One publication suggested that in the next year some 20 million citizens will have an adverse encounter with the IRS. SYNOPSIS: Producer Dennis Smith (William Harrity), though innocent of any wrongdoing, is financially ruined by a group of IRS agents intent on changing the tax standards for the entertainment industry. Led by agent Lothar Gunter (Lee West) they levy Dennis' accounts forcing him out of business. Dennis accepts help from tax attorney Loren Adams (Kelly Hunt), but without adequate funds to mount an opposition he must resort to her off the record advice which entails hiding his assets from seizure by the IRS. Angered by Dennis' evasiveness, Lothar and his marshals (F.G. Houston Mark Hoadley) make life difficult for Dennis, who manages to stay one step ahead. Loren convinces Dennis that he must learn the knowledge necessary to protect himself, but she possesses alternative motives that are driven by circumstances that have led to her own loathing of the IRS. Loren seeks to convince Dennis to help her create a film that will question the validity of the federal authority for taxation, the sixteenth amendment. Dennis' initial reluctance changes as the pain of Loren's past is revealed. Loren reasons that by imparting the knowledge necessary to understand an injustice to the populace, change can occur via the will of the people. Dennis' consent leads to an interesting and tumultuous climax. PRODUCTION NOTES: Not since the Boston Tea Party has there been a tax event with as much impact as THF Pictures "The F Zone," a new, independent explosively dramatic action film about some of the horrors, strong arm tactics and ruthless behavior of the U.S. Internal Revenue Service. All too often, in the opinion of this film, IRS policy is youre guilty until proven innocent! "The F Zone" producers said they were motivated since the inception of their film to create an illumination about a common American injustice. And thats why "The F Zones" everyperson protagonist, Dennis Smith (portrayed by filmmaker William Harrity), tosses prudence to the wind and fights the most awesome adversary of them all--the Internal Revenue Service. When Smith rebels by announcing to the IRS that he "refuses to pay the large levy imposed by them on him and his company" war breaks out between him and agent Lothar Gunter (Lee West), probably the most relentless pursuer since officer Javert in "Les Miserables" or Tommy Lee Jones in "The Fugitive." Smith is motivated by the real-life facts that the sixteenth amendement to the Constitution, upon which all authority for modern taxation rests, was never legally ratified. The number of states
[CTRL] Expanded Discussion of The HAB Theory -[1]-
-Caveat Lector- A HREF="http://www.habtheory.com/100.htm"Expanded Discussion of The HAB Theory/A -- Expanded Discussion of The HAB Theory by Gershon Gales http://www.habtheory.com/ -- Overview: The core of "The HAB Theory" Geophysical science offers rather thin explanations for the periods of history during which great glaciers allegedly advanced and retreated from the polar regions, leaving a great deal of physical evidence. Equatorial Bulge Displacement. When a tilt occurs, the poles rapidly accelerate until the ice caps reach 45 degrees from the axis of spin, due to the centrifugal force acting on them. Immediately upon passing this 45-degree point, an equally rapid deceleration begins, and the ice caps comes to a full stop between 10 and 15 degrees from the former equatorial latitude. Result and Aftermath. During and following the capsizing of the Earth, incredible surface devastation occurs as the planet absorbs the phenomenal kinetic energy which the rollover has generated. That, in essence, is what's happening in Antarctica today. The weight of the ice cap is squeezing the material of the continent out from under it. The extruded material forms a range of mountains before it, all the way to the coastal areas and even beyond. There's good evidence that in this way not only is the ice cap growing, but the continent itself is expanding. Previous Poles Two tilts ago, a polar cap was where there is an even larger and deeper depression than the Sudan Basin (a polar site before the most recent tilt) -- present Hudson Bay. While the Hudson Bay ice cap was in existence, the land masses of India, Borneo, Africa and South America lay in tandem along the equatorial bulge. Shifts of the Magnetic Pole Another foundation stone in the support for the HAB Theory lies in the discovery in the relatively recent past of some rather odd rocks which, though magnetic, do not point to what is currently north and south. Advanced Human Civilizations in the long distant past? According to the HAB theory, there have been many occassions in the past during which the time between capsisings allowed human civilizations to develop, only to be wiped out again as the Earth tilted. Historical Origin of Fruits and Vegetables The seats of origin of most of the world's important staple vegetables and fruits are the Sumatra-Malaysia area, and the Ecuador-Peru area. Most of our fruits have originated, as best as can be determined, from a large radius of southern Asia, of which the Malay Archipelago appears to be the hub. These include fruits such as cherries, pears, apples, plums, olives, figs and grapes. Others, too, perhaps -- apricots and peaches, citrus fruits, bananas, coconuts and mango. Records of Past Civilizations Ancient Egypt The culture of the Egyptians appeared full-blown, without any history antedating the First Dynasty. About the year 450 BC, the Greek historian Herodotus journeyed to both Memphis and Thebes on the Nile and talked at length with the priests there about their country and its history. Records of Past Civilizations: China Such records have indeed been found ... in China. These were contained in a large number of peculiar stone disks discovered in some underground repositories in the Himalayas near the border of Tibet. Records of Past Civilizations: Ecuador Back in 1965 an Argentine citizen, Juan Moricz, who is an amateur archeologist, was poking about in the Ecuadorian Andes about 150 miles south of Quito, in the Province of Santiago. He found a cave held in superstitious awe by the Indian tribes of the area. After finally gaining their confidence, he was allowed to enter the cave to explore. What he found is amazing. An Explanation for the Otherwise Inexplicable Perhaps now one of the most puzzling of these, the incredible find at Marcahuasi, only 80 km northeast of this city, can be solved. Are these the remains of a civilization made extinct by a previous capsizing? The remains have been a continuing enigma to archeologists, particularly a spectacular discovery made in 1952 at an altitude of over 13,000 feet in the Andes. -- Geophysical science offers rather thin explanations for the periods of history during which great glaciers advanced and retreated from the polar regions, leaving a great deal of physical evidence. The more one delves into the actual evidence, the more skeptical one becomes of the existing theories. The truth, according to the HAB Theory, is that periodically - at intervals ranging from 3,000 to 7000 years but averaging around 5,500 years apart - great global cataclysms have occurred which destroyed virtually all of whatever life forms or civilizations had developed on the Earth to that point. The cataclysms occur when the Earth is thrown off balance due to a massive, unbalanced accumulation of ice at the polar regions. As these polar ice caps grow, their enormous weight, accumulating unevenly as it does, creates an imbalance, and a wobble begins to develop in the
[CTRL] Expanded Discussion of The HAB Theory -[2]-
-Caveat Lector- -[cont]- A HREF="http://www.habtheory.com/100.htm"Expanded Discussion of The HAB Theory/A -- Expanded Discussion of The HAB Theory by Gershon Gales [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- According to the HAB theory, there have been many occassions in the past during which the time between capsisings allowed human civilizations to develop, only to be wiped out again as the Earth tilted. In our present era, virtually all cultures, from the most primitive to the most civilized, have in the dim reaches of their history the record or legend of a great flood. In the Bible it is the story of Noah. In the Oriental book The Ten Stems of China there are texts about it. In Eros, the 12 clay tablets inscribed in Sumerian cuneiform contain the Epic of Gilgamesh, which recounts the journeying of Enkidu, a sort of counterpart of Noah. In Greek mythology, Deucation and his wife, Pyrrha, are the only survivors of a great flood visited on the Earth by the great god Zeus. The ancient Brahmans, Chat Deans, Hindus and Babylonians have their own records or legends about similar great floods from which only a handful of individuals escaped with their lives. Similar legends are found among the Indians of the Americas and among the aboriginal tribes of Australia, Borneo, Sumatra, Africa and Southeast Asia. Generally, we moderns have looked upon these stories as being apocryphal, but perhaps we have been wrong. And while the support they provide cannot yet be considered proof, they do provide interesting and sometimes rather awesome corroboration to the theory of a recurrently capsizing Earth. In Iraq, for example, near the confluence of the Tigris and Euphrates rivers, is the site of the ancient Chaldean city of Ur. Evidence exposed by archeologists digging through layer after layer to a depth of 50 feet proved that over 130 dynasties existed there. Then, at just over 50 feet, they encountered an thick layer of clay. Beneath that layer were discovered the remains of another 10 dynasties, but the artifacts recovered from these lower layers bore little resemblance to those discovered in the layers above. Pottery below the clay was beautifully and skillfully painted, but that above the clay was not. Copper artifacts were common in the layers above the clay, but absent in those below. The archeologists are unanimous in concluding that the layer of clay must be the residue of a great flood which buried the city under a blanket of silt. For the silt to accumulate and turn into clay took a great while and, though scientists are still not agreed to the exact amount of time involved, the general consensus is that the upper layers were all deposited within the past 7,500 years. The ancient Greek Solon, according to Plato, was told by Egyptian priests in 600 BC that 9,000 years previously, Egypt had been invaded by great armies from the powerful island empire of Atlantis, and that afterward Atlantis was covered by the ocean in a great deluge. The existence of such a place as Atlantis has long been held as a myth, but in view of the accumulation of evidence, perhaps there is more veracity to the story than heretofore believed. [A note on scientific discoveries that may not have been known to HAB or Allan W. Eckert at the time the book was written: There are places in Antarctica that are totally arid, with no evidence of any precipitation at all in hundreds of years. There are also great dry valleys in Antarctica, wide enough for a small airplane to do a leisurely turn within it's width, which show clear evidence of the passing of a glacier; the smooth contours of the bowl, the scraping lines on the floor of the valley, and boulders scattered in a neat but random pattern all throughout the floor of the valley.] istorical Origin of Fruits and Vegetables The seats of origin of most of the world's important staple vegetables and fruits are the Sumatra-Malaysia area, and the Ecuador-Peru area. Most of our fruits have originated, as best as can be determined, from a large radius of southern Asia, of which the Malay Archipelago appears to be the hub. These include fruits such as cherries, pears, apples, plums, olives, figs and grapes. Others, too, perhaps -- apricots and peaches, citrus fruits, bananas, coconuts and mango. On the other hand, the basic vegetables seem to have originated primarily in the upper Andes -- Ecuador and Peru, as mentioned, but also Bolivia and upper Chile. They would include both white potatoes and sweet potatoes, yams, maize, numerous beans including Lima and navy beans, pumpkins, squash, peppers, and many others. It has never been clearly explained before, but there were cobs and kernels of popcorn found in ancient Peruvian burial grounds which were thought to be unique to the world until, some years later, identical species of popcorn were found in ancient urns buried in the Naga Hills in the border country of Burma and Siam. This has been a very uncomfortable
[CTRL] Rambouillet: Fighting words
-Caveat Lector- A little longer than the average post but the text of the "accord" is important in terms of the current state of affairs. Text of Rambouillet follows article. AER From wsws.org WSWS : News Analysis : Europe : The Balkan Crisis How the Balkan war was prepared Rambouillet Accord foresaw the occupation of all Yugoslavia By Peter Schwarz 14 April 1999 The refusal of the Milosevic government to sign the Rambouillet Accord provided NATO with official justification for its war against Yugoslavia. For a long time, however, the precise contents of this accord were unknown. The Contact Group, responsible for the talks at Rambouillet and Paris, had agreed to remain silent. The complete text was only recently published on the Internet site of the Albanian Kosova Crisis Center. As can now be seen, the accord contains provisions that would have subjected the whole of Yugoslavia to NATO occupation. The official presentation repeatedly stated that it was a matter of autonomy for Kosovo, which would be secured by the stationing of a "peace force" in Kosovo. However, Appendix B, "Status of Multi-National Military Implementation Force", grants NATO freedom of movement "throughout all Yugoslavia", i.e., Serbia and Montenegro as well as Kosovo. The text of Article 8 of this Appendix reads: "NATO personnel shall enjoy, together with their vehicles, vessels, aircraft, and equipment, free and unrestricted passage and unimpeded access throughout the FRY [Federal Republic of Yugoslavia] including associated airspace and territorial waters. This shall include, but not be limited to, the right of bivouac, maneuver, billet, and utilization of any areas or facilities as required for support, training, and operations." Article 6 guarantees the occupying forces absolute immunity: "NATO personnel, under all circumstances and at all times, shall be immune from the Parties' jurisdiction in respect of any civil, administrative, criminal, or disciplinary offenses which may be committed by them in the FRY." Article 10 secures NATO the cost-free use of all Yugoslavian streets, airports and ports. If the Yugoslav government had signed the accord, they would have been relinquishing all claims to sovereignty over their own territory. The Berliner Zeitung noted, "This passage sounds like a surrender treaty following a war that was lost ... The fact that Yugoslavian President Milosevic did not want to sign such a paper is understandable." The way in which the Yugoslav government was called upon to sign this diktat--delivered as an ultimatum--and the secretiveness regarding its content, suggest that the Rambouillet and Paris conferences were aimed at providing a pretext for war, not a political solution to the Kosovo conflict. "An accord such as this could not be signed by any head of a sovereign state," commented the radical newspaper Taz, the first German paper to publish passages from the Accord itself. "If the talks had really had the aim of producing agreement, and not merely trying to convince skeptics of the unavoidability of NATO's attacks, then the text of the Accord is incomprehensible." The original proposal of the Contact Group, which served as the basis for the Rambouillet Conference, did not contain these passages. The negotiations were first supposed to deal with the question of Kosovar autonomy, and only then take up the question of the military measures to be implemented to carry this out. This was the basis for the Yugoslav government participating in the conference. In the course of negotiations, which lasted from February 6 to 23, the five Western members of the Contact Group--the US, Britain, Germany, France and Italy--moved openly to embrace the standpoint of the Kosovar Albanians, who insisted on the stationing of NATO troops inside Kosovo. On the final day of the conference, the final draft of the Accord was presented containing the Appendix B quoted above. From then on, the draft statutes covering Kosovar autonomy--to which the Yugoslavian government had largely agreed--and the proposals for stationing NATO troops inside Kosovo were characterised as an "indissoluble packet". The Yugoslav delegation was given the bald choice of either swallowing the ultimatum or rejecting the Accord as a whole, which they then did. To the surprise of NATO, the Kosovar Albanians also refused to sign up. The conference was consequently adjourned again, until the Kosovars signed the same text on March 18. NATO had obtained the pretext it wanted to launch its attack. On March 24, the first bombs were dropped. It would appear that not a few politicians who bear responsibility for launching the war were uninformed about this sequence of events. They agreed to the attack on Yugoslavia without even having read the text that was used to justify it. NATO's campaign of disinformation, which has accompanied the war from its inception, is not only directed at the general public, but at parliamentarians and senior
[CTRL] Reese: Are We Really So Far Removed From Dark Days Of World War II? (fwd)
-Caveat Lector- Begin Forwarded Message Are We Really So Far Removed From Dark Days Of World War II? Orlando Sentinel 4-15-99 Charley Reese Are we really so far removed from dark days of World War II? Published in The Orlando Sentinel on April 15, 1999. Let me tell you about something that happened back in the dark days of World War II. The German army, in 1941, stood astride of Europe, having defeated or compelled the surrender of every nation. From the borders of Russia to the Atlantic, from the English Channel and North Sea to the Mediterranean, the German war machine stood victorious. It is no surprise then that when that machine rolled into Yugoslavia, the government surrendered. There was no chance to win a fight. Croatia became an enthusiastic fascist state and set up its own concentration camps to slaughter Jews and Serbs. Albania had joined the fascists and sent a division into Kosovo, where, at that time, Serbs were a huge majority. About 140,000 Serbs were killed. The Bosnian Muslims, including their present leader, enthusiastically formed a Waffen SS Division. So what did the Serbs do? Well, that's the magic. Within a few days after the Yugoslavian government surrendered, the Serb people rose up, overthrew that government and told Hitler's legions in effect, "No, hell, we don't surrender." This is one of the noblest examples of human courage in history. Here was a people hopelessly outnumbered who nevertheless preferred to die than to surrender. More than a million did die, but they fought the Germans so fiercely that the German invasion of the Soviet Union was delayed. Hitler later blamed his defeat by the Russians on this delay. It is shameful, in my opinion, that the United States, in its postwar decline, led by sleazy people, is attacking the Serbs, who fought with us as allies, to assist people who fought against us as Nazi allies. And it is moronic that people in Washington supposed that the Serbs, who defied the German war machine, would collapse and tremble at the feet of someone whose ill-planned, poorly thought-out campaign has already led to a human disaster for the very people he said it was designed to save. And make no mistake, this president, famous for his bad judgment, by rejecting any compromise is committing the United States to ground war in the Balkans. The idea that this man, who spoke of loathing the U.S. military and who cowardly avoided the draft, is now willing to put American troops into war against a former ally is really disgusting. Clinton is going to discover, like Hitler, that he can occupy Serbia but that he cannot subdue the Serbian people. The American people should wake up and decide how many of their sons and daughters they wish to sacrifice for the sake of Albania, once a fascist state, once the most Stalinist of the communist states and currently the most corrupt and incompetent of the former communist states. When Clinton sends troops into Yugo-slavia it will be pointless to talk about an exit strategy. There won't be one. There isn't even one for the American troops stuck in Bosnia. North Atlantic Treaty Organization officials have said they will be there at least another five years. Americans should also remember that not one single European leader in 1914 intended to start a world war. They simply found themselves trapped in a chain of actions and reactions and ended up in a situation not a single one of them had intended or wanted. Clinton, accustomed to cheap, small-state hustling, is clearly out of his depth. He is playing a dangerous game and isn't sane enough to realize just how dangerous it is. Beware of God's ironic sense of humor. The century started with a world war ignited in the Balkans. Let's pray it doesn't end the same way. DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] [Re: [CTRL] Fwd: Hungary/Yugoslavia]
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 4/14/99 7:12:20 PM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: It wasn't just the Germans brought in by Operation Paperclip, either. We "acquired the services" of a large number of Japanese scientists and medical personnel who had been conducting their own experiments on human subjects--not, of course, in the Home Islands, but in occupied Korea (Chosen) and Manchuria (Manchukuo). With regard to the US influence on the Nazis, our particular contribution was in the area of legal codes. The first of the notorious Nuremberg Laws, the one which authorized the sterilization of "racial inferiors" and "congenital defectives", was patterned directly after the Model Eugenics Code published by the American Eugenics Association...which had been adopted by 47 out of the 48 states. (The exception was Pennsylvania, and that was only because Governor Gifford Pinchot didn't like the particular version of the sterilization law that the legislature passed. He supported the eugenics movement quite happily otherwise.) Hitler was quite vocal in his admiration of American eugenicists like Madison Grant and Lothrop Stoddard. Bob Thanks for pointing out the bit about Japanese scientists, it is a point that we definitely should not forget. Additionally one must look at all the research which our "respected" medical bodies refused to use because it was gained through torture and terminal experiments (the Japanese froze the limbs of both Chinese and American POW's solid then busted them to observe the effects on the unfortunate victim, similar to Nazi experiments in high altitude flight with Jews and other "undesirables being placed in pressure chambers and taken artificially to incredible heights to observe the effects on the body, leading to agony and death). If you believe that one then I got some swamp land in Florida for you. One must ask oneself how a nation like we are could believe a government when it says that it would not use Nazi's (it lied and did and does today), that it wouldn't use this horrific research (they lied, did and do use it), and wouldn't profit from the atrocities (but they have), WHEN they did the VERY SAME things to OUR OWN PEOPLE in illegal human experimentation. Teo1000 DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Bloodlined Breeder Women Betrayed
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 4/14/99 8:03:32 PM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Apparently Judith has taken her writing to a venue where it is more appreciated and her little ground here on CTRL is now empty and barren. God how I miss her! Those were the heydays of conspiracy theory at its zenith! -JY Indeed! I miss her as well, and feel she will return at some point down the road. Teo1000 DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Heavier Spread
-Caveat Lector- From Int'l Herald Tribune Where the conspiracy starts: "The weight increases are apparent, to varying degrees, in every region of the country. And with baby boomers settling in to the weight-gaining prime of middle age and many teenagers tearing into endless ''super-size'' fast-food meals, scales across the nation are expected to tip even more in the years ahead." Paris, Friday, April 16, 1999 At Bottom, the Problem Is Spreading As Americans' Obesity Rises, the Seat Pinches By Rene Sanchez Washington Post Service SEATTLE - The polite way to describe the change being made to seats on Puget Sound ferries is to call it a refitting, or just a small but vital adjustment to suit the times. But that hides the plain truth: So many riders are so fat they need more room. There was a day when the ferries carried 250 people with ease. Ferry officials had figured out how much space the average person needed to sit by using a precise formula - known as the 18-inch (45-centimeter) rule. It has been a kind of national standard in seating for generations, but it may not last much longer. And in its demise is a story of the bulging of America. From planes to stadiums, in church pews and cinemas, even here on Seattle's ferries, the growing girth of the populace is slowly but surely redefining what comfort means across the country and prompting many industries to look anew at the shape of Americans. What they have found is a problem of sizable proportions. In response to how wide many riders are getting, ferry officials recently reduced capacity on some boats and are installing more benches and bigger seats - with a 21-inch spread - on others. For the same reason, a movie theater opening soon in Seattle will have some seats for obese patrons. And at a ballpark being built downtown, many seats will be four inches wider than seats at the old Kingdome. ''The old seats don't seem to be working anywhere,'' said a ferry rider, Craig Gagner, on a trip across the sound to Vashon Island one recent afternoon. ''My butt still fits the 18-inch rule they say they use, but so many others are so huge they're crunching us. We're definitely not as lean as we used to be.'' Nationally, some airlines are lifting tray tables higher on new planes to accommodate burgeoning bellies. Restaurants are buying wider booths and apparel makers are promoting more clothing with elastic waistbands. The Society of Automotive Engineers is even working with U.S. Air Force researchers on a $6 million study on the changing shape of Americans. As part of it, more than 5,000 volunteers nationwide are being measured in more than 100 ways with laser technology. The study, the most elaborate of its kind in decades, is being sponsored by about two dozen top companies in virtually every industry where knowing the width of Americans is vital: General Motors, Ford, Boeing, Levi Strauss, even Caterpillar tractors. ''Nothing like this has been done in a long time,'' said Gary Pollak, a coordinator of the three-year study. ''Everyone senses the shape of Americans is changing, but we really need to know exactly how.'' That they are getting heavier is hardly a secret. A number of recent government and university studies have warned of the trend. Some have reported that the average daily calorie intake of men and women is rising sharply, that more than half the country's adults are overweight and as many as one-third obese - figures much higher than decades ago. The weight increases are apparent, to varying degrees, in every region of the country. And with baby boomers settling in to the weight-gaining prime of middle age and many teenagers tearing into endless ''super-size'' fast-food meals, scales across the nation are expected to tip even more in the years ahead. For seatmakers and companies who are their clients, the implications are profound. ''We don't want someone sitting in one of our cars or trucks being reminded every day that they're getting bigger,'' said Marilyn Vala, an analyst for Lear Corp., which designs seats for some of the nation's leading automotive manufacturers. ''Across the industry, we're realizing that with demographics and sizes changing, we're going to have to be more accommodating.'' Kevin McGuire, who runs a national consulting firm that advises performing arts centers on seating, said that industry has begun to learn the same lesson. At his urging, the restoration of Seattle's old Cinerama theater includes a few dozen seats 24 inches wide and tailored for the obese. Many other seats in the theater also will have armrests that lift and more space between rows, all to make bigger people comfortable. Mr. McGuire is even training staff members in how to make subtle overtures to obese patrons who might not be aware of the special seating available to them
[CTRL] Israel/Arabiana: 04-15-99
-Caveat Lector- From ArabicNews.CoM Kuwaiti donation to the Lebanese army Kuwait, Politics, 4/15/99 The Lebanese army on Wednesday received 10 ambulances fully equipped with best facilities as a donation from the state of Kuwait. The Kuwaiti ambassador in Beirut Muhammad Saeed al-Sallal, Lebanese Defence Minister Ghazi Zeiter and commander of the army, Michael Suleiman, were present on this occasion. Al-Sallal praised the role played by the Lebanese army in confrontation of Israel and voiced his country's stand in backing Lebanon. Why?? Because ... Israel continues aggression against south Lebanon Lebanon, Military, 4/15/99 Israeli occupation forces on Wednesday continued their attacks on areas adjacent to the occupied part of south Lebanon. Lebanese security sources said the Israeli artillery on Wednesday morning bombarded the outskirts of Sujoud town in al-Tuffah district. The bombardment was accompanied with intensive sorties by Israeli warplanes over southern Lebanese areas to the capital, Beirut. Meantime, Israeli reconnaissance planes flew over the Western Bekaa areas. Earlier the Israeli artillery bombarded the outskirts of Majdal Zoun town. The Lebanese resistance retaliated by attacking Israeli fortifications at al-Radar position in the western sector of south Lebanon. In a statement, the Lebanese resistance said direct hits were achieved on the positions. On Wednesday at noon, Israeli warplanes broke the sound barrier in the airspace of the Baalbek district of eastern Lebanon. Lebanese security sources said the Israeli artillery targeted the areas of Zibqin, Jib Sweid, and al-Mansouri valley in south Lebanon. The Israeli bombardment of Tuesday night Arnoun surroundings and al-Hamra farm resulted in downing electricity wires and cutting off the supply of electricity from Yahmur and Arnoun towns. On Wednesday morning the Lebanese electricity department in al-Nabatiyeh maintained the damage. In another development, the Israeli mini cabinet for security and political affairs discussed in a session it held on Wednesday latest developments in south Lebanon following the escalated Israeli attacks against Lebanese towns and villages in the occupied part of south Lebanon. The Cabinet, chaired by Prime Minster Benjamin Netanyahu debated steps and measures that might be taken against the Lebanese resistance, especially after the recent killing of an Israeli soldier in south Lebanon. Turkey sells al-Ghab project to Israeli companies Turkey, Economics, 4/15/99 The Turkish daily al-Shafaq al-Jadid has said that Turkey has sold the southeastern Anadolia "al-Ghab" project to Israeli companies. The paper added that some 67 Israeli companies are investing in this project. Moscow provide advanced defense system to Iran and Iraq Iraq, Military, 4/15/99 Kuwaiti sources said today that the Russian government does not object to providing both Iraq and Iran with its most modern defense systems, which have proved their effectiveness during NATO strikes against Serbia and were able to down ta US F-117 "Stealth" jet. The sources said a Russian military official informed both Baghdad and Tehran of the Russian government's desire to provide them with upgraded systems. The sources said the military official in Tehran said the other face of the war in the Balkans is a field for testing Russian and US weapons, pointing out that the USA is concerned with following up on the effectiveness of its weapons while Russia is testing defense systems, with which it supports Serbia. Vatican warns Israel against permitting the building of a mosque in al-Nasera Israel, Politics, 4/15/99 The Vatican on Wednesday warned the Israeli authorities against permitting the construction of a mosque near al-Beshara Church (the church of the Annunciation) in al-Nasera (Nazareth), northern Israel. Papal nuncio Pietro Sambi told the AFP following a meeting with representatives of the Israeli Religious Affairs Ministry in Jerusalem, "I have, on behalf of all Christians, expressed opposition to building this mosque, a project which will be bad for the celebrations decided in the year 2000." The papal nuncio said that all heads of Christian churches in the holy lands were ordered at the beginning of this month to shut down al-Nasera churches for two days in protest against the acts of violence practised by Muslims against Christians. Replying a question on the possibility of cancelling the visit of Pope John Paul II to the holy lands next year, Sambi said, "We do not have to exaggerate." The Pope expressed a wish to visit the cradle of Christianity by the end of the second millennium, but the Vatican has not set a date for such a visit. The conflict relates to building a mosque just tens of meters from al-Beshara church. The mayor of al-Nasera Ramez al-Jareyshah, a Christian, intended to build a car park on this 1,890 square meter land in preparation for the second millennium The Muslims who erected a huge tent on the
Re: [CTRL] Now's It's Serbian Terrorists IN THE U.S.
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 4/15/99 7:24:48 AM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Yes, I have more fear of ORCHESTRATED events which will be labeled 'Serbian terrorism' as an excuse to further erode the rights of U.S. citizens, than anything any actual Serbian might do... Come on June you spoil ALL the fun by revealing the real motivation behind their propaganda exercise. Shucks. Teo1000 DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Cold War Is Back, With Nuclear Threat
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 4/15/99 10:36:41 AM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: What ever happened to 1980s-era "Star Wars" missile defense system? I thought "Star Wars" was supposed to be an inpenetrable defense. Anyone know? Brian Redman Editor, CNNS If you recall, Reagan proposed it first as the Strategic Defense Initiative (SDI). Predictably, the Left reacted immediately and a media campaign was underway to discredit the program as ridiculous and too expensive. That's when somebody, I don't recall who, tagged it "Star Wars." Maybe some of it was implemented, but essentially it stalled, was dead in the water, because of media ridicule. Interestingly, now we're hearing members of the left bring it up again, calling it a pretty good idea. I guess it makes a difference when you know for sure that you have Russian and Chinese (and God knows who else's) missles aimed at you. Jim My opinion is that we have a system in place, it may not be as good as what was predicted by Reagan but it is there. Incidentally the REAL thing that was funded with the "black" money used ostensibly for the "Star Wars" defense initiative was NON-LETHAL weapons and associated "mind affecting" technology, IMO, of course. Teo1000 DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] For CTRL Old Timers
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 4/15/99 2:21:21 PM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Reposted without comment. -JY Subj:[SonsofLiberty] Posts Date: 4/15/99 1:28:05 PM Eastern Daylight Time From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Willie Martin) Reply-to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] From: "Willie Martin" [EMAIL PROTECTED] I am wondering why you don't send out the posts that I send to you, are they not good enough for your list; are they too poorly written; does the subject matter not meet your criteris; or just what is the matter with them that you don't distribute them? No comment necessary there Jim! Good old Willie, still up to the same old same old I guess. Teo1000 DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Fw: [FAIR-L] ACTION ALERT: WAS A PEACEFUL KOSOVO SOLUTION REJECTED BY U.S.?
-Caveat Lector- - Original Message - From: FAIR [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, April 14, 1999 7:07 PM Subject: [FAIR-L] ACTION ALERT: WAS A PEACEFUL KOSOVO SOLUTION REJECTED BY U.S.? : : FAIR-L : Fairness Accuracy in Reporting :Media analysis, critiques and news reports : : : : : ACTION ALERT: WAS A PEACEFUL KOSOVO SOLUTION REJECTED BY U.S.? : : April 14, 1999 : : Since the beginning of the NATO attack on Yugoslavia, the war has been : presented by the media as the consequence of Yugoslavia's stubborn : refusal to settle for any reasonable peace plan, in particular its : rejection of plans for an international security force to implement a : peace plan in Kosovo. : : An article in the April 14 New York Times stated that Yugoslavian : President Milosevic "has absolutely refused to entertain an outside : force in Kosovo, arguing that the province is sovereign territory of : Serbia and Yugoslavia." : : Negotiations between the Serb and Albanian delegations at the : Rambouillet meeting in France ended with Yugoslavia's rejection of the : agreement adopted, after much prodding, by the Albanian party. : : But is that the whole story? On February 21, the Yugoslavs assented to : the terms of the political portion of the Rambouillet agreement. Their : rejection stemmed from their opposition to the requirement that 28,000 : NATO troops be stationed in Kosovo to oversee the implementation of : the accord. This military clause, requiring NATO troops, was inserted : without the knowledge of the Russian representatives, who opposed the : provision. : : By the close of the first round of the Rambouillet talks in late : February, Serb President Milan Milutinovic had already declared : Serbia's willingness to to discuss "an international presence in : Kosovo" to monitor the implementation of the accords. On February 21, : Madeleine Albright responded by insisting that "We accept nothing less : than a complete agreement, including a NATO-led force." : : On March 23, the day before the NATO bombing began, the Serbian : parliament adopted a resolution again rejecting the military portion : of the accords, but expressing willingness to review the "range and : character of an international presence" in Kosovo. According to the : Toronto Star's correspondent in Belgrade on March 24, "There have been : hints Serbia might ultimately accept a U.N. force." : : But the U.S. appears to have been unwilling to consider any option : other than NATO troops. At a March 24 State Department press briefing, : spokesman James Rubin was asked about this development: : : QUESTION: Was there any follow-up to the Serbian Assembly's yesterday? : They had a two-pronged decision. One was to not allow NATO troops to : come in; but the second part was to say they would consider an : international force if all of the Kosovo ethnic groups agreed to some : kind of a peace plan. It was an ambiguous collection of resolutions. : Did anybody try to pursue that and find out what was the meaning of : that? : : MR. RUBIN: Ambassador Holbrooke was in Belgrade, discussed these : matters extensively with President Milosevic, left with the conclusion : that he was not prepared to engage seriously on the two relevant : subjects. I think the decision of the Serb Parliament opposing : military-led implementation was the message that most people received : from the parliamentary debate. I'm not aware that people saw any : silver linings. : : QUESTION: But there was a second message, as well; there was a second : resolution. : : MR. RUBIN: I am aware that there was work done, but I'm not aware : that anybody in this building regarded it as a silver lining. : : In other words, the State Department was aware that the Serbian : parliament expressed openness to an "international presence," but this : was not seen as a "silver lining," apparently because only a NATO : force was acceptable to the U.S. : : Those who support the bombing of Yugoslavia argue that all peaceful : options for arriving at a settlement in Kosovo had been exhausted. : Journalists need to do more reporting on the Rambouillet process to : see if that in fact was the case. : : *** : : ACTION: Please contact local and national media and call on them to : report on the U.S. State Department's insistence that only a NATO-led : force in Kosovo could keep the peace there. Did this position make it : more or less likely that the rights of ethnic Albanians in Kosovo : would be protected? : : You can contact the New York Times at: : : Andrew Rosenthal-- Foreign Editor : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] : : Contact information for other media outlets can be found at: : http://www.fair.org/media-contact-list.html : : For more information on media coverage of the war in Yugoslavia, see :
Re: [CTRL] Bloodlined Breeder Women Betrayed
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 4/15/99 5:35:19 PM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: In a message dated 4/14/99 8:03:32 PM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Apparently Judith has taken her writing to a venue where it is more appreciated and her little ground here on CTRL is now empty and barren. God how I miss her! Those were the heydays of conspiracy theory at its zenith! -JY Indeed! I miss her as well, and feel she will return at some point down the road. Teo1000 Yes, it's sad isn't it. The tin foil that she had me paste to the interior walls of my house is now beginning to peel away and fall into shapeless and shiney heaps on the floor. And every so often I put on my tin foil lined suede blazer just as another bittersweet reminder of that extraordinary woman. Yes, I do hope that she returns one day.Jim DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Aw Shucks, Merely a Bit of Collateral Damage
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 4/15/99 3:50:20 PM EST, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: But, apologising for the loss of life, Nato spokesman Jamie Shea said that the "tragic accident" would not undermine the alliance's resolve to bring an end to Yugoslav President Slobodan Milosevic's ethnic cleansing of the province. "Sometimes one has to risk the lives of the few to save the lives of the many," said Mr Shea. Risk the lives of the few? How many are dead or dying from fleeing the bombings only to find their humanitarian mentors haven't prepared for their most basic needs? How many will die slow and anguished deaths if they return to their lands only to be assaulted by the depleted uranium that is making so many Iraqis and Gulf War Vets sick? How many are "collateral" damage? Add those numbers, compare them with the numbers Milosevic murdered BEFORE the NATO bombings and THEN repeat that sentence, Mr. Shea. I've admired Clinton, I've admired Cohen, I've certainly admired many of the Democrats who support this travesty. I give the maximum benefit of the doubt to all those I admire, but this is a game -- a total bullshit, propaganda game. Sure I feel like I've been a sucker for 6 years and 3 months, but more importantly, I feel rage. Clinton is cashing in all his chips, blowing his entire wad trying to smooth over this gross rape of Yugolslavia. It's disgusting, and he is, in my view, a VERY dangerous man. Did anyone see his press conference today on CNN? He was making jokes, being smooth, not showing one sign of the gut wrenching anguish which should accompany a sincere person in his position. Hell, he MAY be the Anti-Christ! He sure is slicker than snot. Samm DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Yea or Nay ?
-Caveat Lector- Via http://www.brookings.org/views/op-ed/haass/19990413.htm So Is It Yes or No? The New York Times, April 13, 1999 By Richard N. Haass, Director, Foreign Policy Studies Increasingly it seems that the Clinton Administration's foreign policy is intended to minimize risks rather than maximize results. The result is bad politics and bad policy. Take the debate about ground troops in Kosovo. After weeks of ruling out their use, the Clinton Administration is now sending mixed messages. On Sunday, Administration officials, including Gen. Henry Shelton, the Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, suggested that plans for ground troops exist and could be taken off the shelf at any time. Yesterday, Defense Secretary William Cohen said that the air attacks are increasingly effective, while reiterating General Shelton's comments about ground troops. What's going on here? It seems as if foreign policy is being driven by public opinion. News photos of suffering Albanian refugees have had an enormous impact on the American people; opinion polls indicate that about half of them now favor sending ground forces into Kosovo. But the Administration also seems to have no confidence that popular support would survive the first casualties. This is no way to make foreign policy -- or win a war. It is one thing to rule out ground troops because they are not needed. It is something else again to reject them out of fear that the American people will not back their use. Indeed, history suggests that Americans will support using ground troops, even after the country suffers casualties. The public even supported the Vietnam War for more than a decade despite the horrible costs. And it was prepared to shed far more blood than proved necessary in the Persian Gulf war. The Clinton Administration must stop making vague pronouncements and clearly state that ground troops might be necessary in Kosovo. Certainly, such troops will be needed to protect the Kosovo refugees if they are to return home. But the troops may be needed much earlier if the Yugoslav Government refuses to withdraw from Kosovo. Alas, the Administration's handling of this issue is not an exception. Much the same pattern can be seen in its China policy, for example. President Clinton has long supported an expansion of economic ties to China, but he balked at signing a trade agreement last week that would have allowed Beijing to join the World Trade Organization. This, even though China's Prime Minister, Zhu Rongji, agreed to significant concessions that went far beyond what the Administration itself had predicted. President Clinton clearly feared a confrontation with members of Congress and many domestic interests who are arrayed against closer United States links to China. The price for such timidity is high. The United States lost a chance to expand into one of the world's largest and fastest growing markets. And we lost a chance to force China to play by the rules of the world economy. The literature on leadership is filled with the need for executives to listen. But there is such a thing as too much listening, especially when it comes to fundamental questions of direction. At times leaders have to get out in front, to persuade people to accept what they are not yet comfortable with. In foreign policy as in all else, nothing ventured, nothing gained -- and, increasingly, much lost. Copyright 1999 The New York Times Company Note: The views expressed in this piece are those of the author and should not be attributed to the staff, officers or trustees of the Brookings Institution. AER The only real voyage of discovery consists not in seeking new landscapes but in having new eyes. -Marcel Proust + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + Every great advance in natural knowledge has involved the absolute rejection of authority. -Thomas Huxley + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + Forwarded as information only; no endorsement to be presumed + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + In accordance with Title 17 U.S.C. section 107, this material is distributed without charge or profit to those who have expressed a prior interest in receiving this type of information for non-profit research and educational purposes only. DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of
[CTRL] Kosovo/China/Ancestral Voice
-Caveat Lector- The Progressive Response April 14th, 1999 Vol. 3, No. 13 The Progressive Response is a publication of Foreign Policy In Focus, a joint project of the Interhemispheric Resource Center and the Institute for Policy Studies. The project produces Foreign Policy In Focus (FPIF) briefs on various areas of current foreign policy debate. Electronic mail versions are available free of charge for subscribers. The Progressive Response is designed to keep the writers, contributors, and readers of the FPIF series informed about new issues and debates concerning U.S. foreign policy issues. We encourage comments to the FPIF briefs and to opinions expressed in PR. We're working to make The Progressive Response informative and useful, so let us know how we're doing, via e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] (that's irc, then the number one NOT the letter L.) Please put "Progressive Response" in the subject line. Tom Barry, editor Table of Contents I. Updates and Out-Takes KOSOVO QUESTIONS AND ANSWERS U.S.-CHINA SECURITY RELATIONS by James H. Nolt, World Policy Institute II. Comments FOREIGN POLICY AND VOICE OF ANCESTORS by James H. Nolt, World Policy Institute I. Updates and Out-Takes KOSOVO QUESTIONS AND ANSWERS (Ed. Note: Included below are portions of a document edited by Foreign Policy In Focus codirector Martha Honey that includes the observations of the following foreign policy experts: Phyllis Bennis, expert on the United Nations and Fellow, Institute for Policy Studies; Robert Hayden, Director of Russian and East European Studies, University of Pittsburgh; Carl LeVan, Legislative Director, Office of Rep. John Conyers (D-MI); Jules Lobel, Professor of Law, University of Pittsburgh; Alistair Millar, Director of the Washington Office, Fourth Freedom Forum; Michael Ratner, Lawyer, Center for Constitutional Rights; Stephen Zunes, Professor of Politics, University of San Francisco. The entire document is being posted on the project's website: www.foreignpolicy-infocus.org) Has the NATO bombing met the three goals originally announced by President Clinton on March 24: 1) to "demonstrate the seriousness of NATO's opposition to aggression," 2) to deter Milosevic "from continuing and escalating his attacks" in Kosovo, and 3) to damage Serbia's capacity to wage war in the future? The bombing has done just the opposite. It has increased the repression against the Kosovar Albanians, threatened to widen the war, strengthened Milosevic, and weakened NATO. The NATO air offensive has also failed in the additional goals originally listed by President Clinton and others in the administration: 1. To "prevent a humanitarian catastrophe"--to the contrary, the attack provoked one. 2. "To prevent a wider war"--to the contrary, the war is threatening to engulf other countries. 3. To build a "peaceful, secure, united, stable Europe" by meeting the following challenges: a. "strengthening our relationship with Russia"--the reverse has happened. b. "ending instability in the Balkans"--the reverse is happening. 4. "Demonstrating the seriousness of NATO's purpose"--but neither President Clinton nor other top officials specified what would constitute a successful NATO effort. (New York Times, March 25) Now, according to the New York Times (April 11), the NATO allies face an ever more "daunting task" to: 1) stop the Serb attacks against civilians; 2) escort the half million-plus refugees back to Kosovo; and 3) guarantee a lasting peace settlement through an indefinite peacekeeping operation. And to get there will take not only greatly escalating the bombing but, military experts argue, sending in somewhere between 100,000 and 200,000 NATO ground troops--something President Clinton explicitly pledged would not happen. What is the immediate and long-term impact of NATO bombing on Serbia and the entire region? The NATO destruction of Serbia's infrastructure, including felled bridges that have blocked the Danube, will cause severe long-term damage to the entire economic activity of the Balkans. The larger region, which was heavily hit by the 1992-95 sanctions on Yugoslavia, is hit economically again. While Milosevic is evil, his small country, under sanctions for seven years now, simply does not have the ability to do much damage beyond its borders. The fallout from the NATO assault will, however, extend throughout the Balkans. Macedonia, Montenegro, and Albania are in severe danger of destabilization. Macedonia's delicate ethnic balance has been disrupted, and its irresponsible actions toward the refugees have further isolated it. Albania's weak economy and infrastructure are being further stressed by the flood of refugees and, reportedly, KLA guerrillas. The democratic and anti-Milosevic forces in Montenegro have been silenced and the
[CTRL] Court: Witnesses Have Troubles Identifying Members of Other Races
-Caveat Lector- We may all *look* alike to Reptiloids...but do we all *taste* the same? === Court: Witnesses Have Troubles Identifying Members of Other Races AP 15-APR-99 TRENTON, N.J. (AP) -- The New Jersey Supreme Court has ruled that juries in some mixed-race criminal cases should be told that witnesses have a tougher time identifying defendants of another race. Prosecutors had argued there isn't enough scientific evidence to prove witnesses have more difficulty identifying members of another race. But the court rejected the argument Wednesday, saying there have been ample studies and that most jurisdictions accept the concept. "Indeed some courtroom observers have commented that the ordinary person's difficulty of 'cross-racial recognition' is so commonplace as to be the subject of both cliche and joke: 'they all look alike,"' the court wrote. The court ordered a new trial in the rape case of a white Rutgers University student who identified a black man, McKinley Cromedy, as her attacker. The court said the jury should have been given a "cross racial instruction" alerting jurors to pay close attention to the possible influence of race in identifying defendants. The woman had not recognized a photograph of Cromedy that she was shown a few days after the rape. However, she alerted police eight months later when she spotted Cromedy on a street corner. She identified him as the rapist after he had been taken into custody. No forensic evidence was admitted during the trial. Court documents said it was not possible to link Cromedy to the rape through blood and sperm samples, and no fingerprints were taken by police at the scene. The trial court did not allow the jury to be advised that "cross racial identification" could affect the victim's ability to identify her assailant, a decision upheld by an appeals court and overturned this week. "It's an important decision," said Sylvia Orenstein, who argued the case on behalf of Cromedy. "Science has shown, unfortunately, that most people tend to better recognize people of their own race. This is another factor a jury should be alerted to consider." The court said a cross-racial instruction to juries should only be given when identification is critical to the case, and there are no other eyewitnesses to back up the victim's charges. Copyright 1999 The Associated Press. All rights reserved. This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten, or redistributed. = Robert F. Tatman [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Remove "nospam" from the address to reply. NOTICE: In accordance with Title 17 U.S.C. Section 107, this material is distributed without profit to those who have expressed a prior interest in receiving the included information for research and educational purposes. For more information go to: http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/17/107.shtml POSTING THIS MESSAGE TO THE INTERNET DOES NOT IMPLY PERMISSION TO SEND UNSOLICITED COMMERCIAL E-MAIL (SPAM) TO THIS OR ANY OTHER INTERNET ADDRESS. RECEIPT OF SPAM WILL RESULT IN IMMEDIATE NOTIFICATION OF THE SENDER'S ISP. Get your own FREE, personal Netscape WebMail account today at http://webmail.netscape.com. DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] NEATO @ 50
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Name change? Northern European/American Treaty Organisation {NEATO} ?
In Focus: NATO at 50
Volume 4, Number 11
March 1999
Written by Tomás Valásek, Center for Defense Information
Editors: Martha Honey (IPS) and Tom Barry (IRC)
Key Points
The end of the cold war invalidated NATO's original mandate and raised
questions about the need for a military alliance focusing on territorial
defense.
The alliance responded by embarking on peacekeeping missions in the Balkans
and enlarging to include former Warsaw Pact countries.
New U.S. proposals would expand the scope of NATO's operations, even while
relations with Russia founder.
The North Atlantic Treaty Organization (NATO)-a military alliance of 17
European nations, the U.S., and Canada-will celebrate its 50th anniversary
in April 1999 by convening a summit in Washington, DC. The alliance was
created under U.S. leadership in 1949 to defend the West against the Soviet
military threat. Historically, the U.S. provided the largest share of funds,
troops, and weapons to NATO's activities and dominated the alliance's
decisionmaking.
The collapse of the Soviet Union and the Warsaw Pact invalidated NATO's
original mandate and prompted a search for a new approach to European
security. Several new roles were proposed for NATO, including serving as a
forum for arms reduction and elimination, and becoming a political force for
consolidating democratic, capitalist systems throughout Europe, including
Russia. Another option was the complete abolition of NATO. On a continent
devoid of superpower rivalries, the new type of challenges-peacekeeping and
conflict prevention-could be handled by the 55-member Organization for
Security and Cooperation in Europe (OSCE), the designated European
collective security organization. The OSCE, which includes all European
countries, the U.S., Canada, and the former Soviet republics, specializes in
conflict monitoring and prevention, arms reduction, and post-conflict
reconciliation.
Before completion of a comprehensive review of the need for NATO, the
alliance was thrust into a peacekeeping role in the Balkan wars. When the
activities of the UN and the European Union failed to prevent escalation of
the violence in Bosnia, NATO was called on to deliver punitive strikes
against the Bosnian Serb aggressor forces. NATO troops entered the country
in December 1995 to safeguard implementation of the Dayton peace agreement.
In June 1998 NATO countries extended the mandate of the Stabilization Force
(SFOR) in Bosnia indefinitely.
In July 1997, primarily at U.S. urging, NATO decided to invite three former
Warsaw Pact countries to join. This watershed event in NATO's post-cold war
history marked the end of the search for an alternative security
arrangement. Despite the absence of a clearly articulated purpose, the U.S.
and the European countries established NATO as the dominant security
organization in Europe. The expansion itself, coupled with peacekeeping
duties in the Balkans, became the alliance's raison d'être. But the decision
carried a political price: the expansion to former Warsaw Pact countries,
NATO's continued emphasis on territorial defense, and the persisting
dominant role of the U.S. in NATO damaged America's relations with Russia
and contributed to the radicalization of the Russian political scene. NATO's
attempts at damage control-such as the signing of the NATO-Russia Founding
Act, a largely unimplemented document on cooperation-failed to weaken Moscow
's opposition. The Yeltsin government accepted the first round of expansion
as a fait accompli while opposing the expansion in principle and protesting
the plans to include former Soviet republics in particular.
The financial costs of expansion-the costs of upgrading weapons in the new
member countries and buying communications systems compatible with NATO-will
be borne by new and longtime members. All three new NATO members have
increased their defense spending to cover the costs associated with
membership. But U.S. taxpayers will also pay their share. U.S. assistance
has already been required to help bring the invitees to NATO standards. For
example, the U.S. paid for installations of an air surveillance system in
Poland and will cover the costs of leasing surplus F-16 or F/A-18 fighter
aircraft to the Polish air force.
NATO continues to evolve, with the U.S. advocating new missions and a more
assertive approach to military operations. The new U.S. proposals raised in
early 1999 would authorize operations outside the territory of alliance
members. U.S. officials also argue that NATO should no longer be obligated
to secure UN Security Council approval for its military operations.
Washington hopes to formalize these and other proposals for NATO's future
missions in a number of documents slated for adoption at the alliance's 50th
anniversary summit. Far from settling the question of NATO's roles and
responsibilities, the proposals raise a number of questions
Re: [CTRL] [Re: [CTRL] Fwd: Hungary/Yugoslavia]
-Caveat Lector- One must ask oneself how a nation like we are could believe a government when it says that it would not use Nazi's They recruited Shiro Ishii, the "Japanese Mengele." How can we then believe they did not also recruit the German Mengele? DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Can any verify this?
-Caveat Lector- Fellow Lollards: In a message dated 99-04-15 13:02:08 EDT, you write: "Executive Orders are for selling and purchasing of land. And nothing else, in fact there is NO Constitutional Amendment to create an EO. And until there is these EOs are NULL VOID!!!" There is much to say here, but I hope to begin by contributing a post that I wrote to another online group. My following comments spawned from another group member's opinions on the Constitution. Knowing that the mention of the "Learned Elder's" Protocols will receive the harangue of some within this list, I have still decided to forward CTRL my post-- as I know that I have researched and validated the information contained therein to my own satisfaction. There is no Constitution. It has been suspended for some 66 years. Still muttering, Tsadowq xx As far as Constitutional Mythology, the only real myth is that the Constitution is even in use today. The fact of the matter is that this country has been kept in a "state of emergency" for the last 66 years. "Since March 9, 1933, the United States has been in a state of Declared National Emergence." -Senate Report 93-549 (1973) The War Powers granted to Roosevelt in 1933, were not unlike those given to Hitler under Article 48. Many of us are already aware of the fact that it is the War Powers which empower the President to continue doing the round-about with the remaining two "balances of power". This is as well, what keeps the Presidents from rescinding the state of emergency. We should sincerely ask why any President would voluntarily abdicate the authority and broad sweeping power that now lies in his hands-- by means of keeping America in a continued state of emergency-- which perpetuates the continuation of the War Powers themselves. When reading below, keep in mind that it is through these same War Powers that the Executive Orders are signed. Secondly, when reading the Senate Report below, it is clearly established why Presidents--while not given authority to declare war without Congress by the Constitution-- have continually gotten away with "assigning military forces abroad" "A majority of the people in the United States have lived all their lives under emergency rule. For 40 years, freedoms and govern- mental procedures guaranteed by the constitution have, in varying degrees, been abridged by laws brought into force by states of National emergency. In the United States, actions taken by govern- ment in times of great crisis have... in important ways shaped the present phenomenon of a permanent state of National emergency". "These proclamations give force to 470 provisions of federal law. These hundreds of statutes delegate to the President extraordinary powers, ordinarily exercised by the Congress, which affect the lives of Ameri- can citizens in a host of all-encompassing manners. This vast range of powers, taken together, confer enough authority to rule this country without reference to normal constitutional process." "Under the powers delegated by these statutes, the President may: seize property, organize and control the means of production; seize commodities; assign military forces abroad; institute martial law; seize and control all transportation and communication; regulate the operation of private enterprise; restrict travel; and, in a plethora of particular ways, control the lives of all American citizens." cont'd -- Senate Report 93-549 (1973) That sure looks familiar...Where have we read that before? "Independently of this we shall invest the president with the right of declaring a state of war." -- Protocols of the Learned Elders of Sion PROTOCOL 10.13 Of course, if Americans *knew* that they weren't actually "free", they would not keep on snatching up brand new $150.00 VCRs manufactured from MFN China's sweat shops. If Americans were to actually see through their pseudo freedom, then the flow of revenue from Mystery Babylon's cash cow (America) would no longer provide liquidity to fund Communism (read:International Fabian Socialism) all over the world. What will truly suprise the capitalistic Mystery School Adepts, is when the Communist beast which was once a tool in their Megolomaniac belt, wrenches itself free from their unseen hand of history, and rises up to destroy the Great Whore which has been riding on it's/their back. The Constitution was NEVER intended to insure the freedom of men; nor was it designed to keep a free Republic. Anyone who has truly studied the completely ambiguous language of the Constitution itself, knows that the document-- while appearing to reserve anchor points of immutable Rights for "it's" people, actually becomes a quagmire of
[CTRL] Why Social Engineering will FAIL
-Caveat Lector- Why Social Engineering will FAIL - Andrew Hennessey I make a basic assumption here which I must qualify, before I present a very scientific analogy which ought to cheer us all up. I make the assumption that there is a 'soul' as in my own experience and the experiences of my friends at the Transformation Group who have had Out of Body experiences that we realise that there is more to this material life than meets the eye. [You also don't have to be religious to know about 'Continuity'.] I need to say this because it is well known that Mind Control experiments try to usurp and control the very essence of our existence - through techniques, implants, computers etc etc We have heard tales of terror about Tavistock, CIA, Stanford etc etc etc etc and how we should believe that the human race will become automaton slaves. However, I want to show you a real analogy in the real world that can give us hope for the future. The Missippi River and the River Ganges are two of the most powerful rivers on the planet. Fierce, unpredictable, flooding, changeable and devious. Rather like the evolutionary stream of human society over the millenia. They are Chaos engines of incredible power - as is Humanity. Some of the most labour intensive engineering on this planet has gone into trying to control the flow of these rivers. Concrete straight jackets, metallic sluices, computerised partitioning, millions of tons of rubble and concrete strategically placed etc etc and this is much like the computerised straight jacket now surrounding the human race. But the evidence proves that the more control attempted by engineering, the more catastrophic the results for the engineers. Dams break etc because the increased flow caused by engineering creates bigger variables and events within the system. Just look at the disasters on the Ganges and Missippi. So given that the source of Humanity is inaccessible to the material engineers - the human river of evolution will never be tamed. [thats my theory :)] Andrew Hennessey Transformation Studies Group Edinburgh Scotland DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] America's Funeral Song?
-Caveat Lector- Always wondered what the lyrics to this song by Don McClean meant. The web site goes into DEEP interpretation of the song that all us "fortyish" types used to sing. It's got it all: Conspiracy Mystery Babylon United Nations Planned Destruction of America Lost Tribes of Israel The Militia Movement The Protocols Recent American History Washington's Vision The Communist Manifesto Bible Prophecy Armageddon Move over Buddy Holly, it's not about you. --- America's funeral hymn, The song of Moses, American Pie, and Armageddon. http://web2.airmail.net/rotal2/ampies.htm -- Whatever conclusion you come to after reading this, you will never again think of this song as you used to No good power born of this earth could break, or stop Satan's power, as his armies, united under the banner of Red Babylon, advance toward America. This evil power of the adversary's of Christian America, symbolized by Satan, will not be able to be stopped or broken, according to the song American Pie. In this case Satan's spell or power, would be the advancing armies of Satan. Satan's armies will be united under the United Nations of Mystery Babylon. At that future time the American people will realize that, 'no good power born of this earth, will be able to stop Satan's advancing armies. They will watch these armies march into helpless and defenseless America. These Armies who's number shall be as the sands of the sea. These armies will then set America on fire, and murder it's citizens.. -- "Bye-bye, Miss American Pie. Drove my Chevy to the levee, but the levee was dry. Those good-ole-boys were drinking, Whiskey and rye, singing, "This'll be the day that I die, This'll be the day that I die." ** [EMAIL PROTECTED] The Patriot Resource Center: http://www.geocities.com/CapitolHill/6627/ **Live Free or Die!** DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Can any verify this?
-Caveat Lector- "Executive Orders are for selling and purchasing of land. And nothing else, in fact there is NO Constitutional Amendment to create an EO. And until there is these EOs are NULL VOID!!!" I may be wrong, but I always thought an EO was a way of circumventing the US constitution as their authority rests on the President, whom I assume makes sure he has enough support in the House and Senate before issuing one. As for null and void, technically they probably are but like many "temporary" political meaures (income tax springs to mind) they would likely be upheld by the US courts as having garnered a certain "legitimacy" by their unchallenged use and the presumed consensus (?) reached before the issuance of them. Jamieson An Executive Order is a military term. All military establishments have a board when two thing are posted every day. 1. the orders of the day. and 2. The XO's Executive Orders. Lincoln was the first to use and EO. It happened just after the South Left the Union. When the South left, they no longer had a consensus to conduct business. Lincoln declared a National Emergency, declared martial law and began issuing EO's. We've been under Martial Law every since. Jim Norman I think you're correct Jim, in that technically we've been under martial since then. It's been my understanding that an EO written by the President has to be qualified in some way by members (maybe a subcommittee perhaps) of Congress. If the EO is enacted it is the law for six months and then Congress meets to decide if the EO should be continued. The problem I feel is allot can happen in six months for which no one can do anything about. DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Can any verify this?
-Caveat Lector- -- From: Yardbird [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [CTRL] Can any verify this? Date: Thursday, April 15, 1999 11:43 AM -Caveat Lector- "Executive Orders are for selling and purchasing of land. And nothing else, in fact there is NO Constitutional Amendment to create an EO. And until there is these EOs are NULL VOID!!!" I may be wrong, but I always thought an EO was a way of circumventing the US constitution as their authority rests on the President, whom I assume makes sure he has enough support in the House and Senate before issuing one. As for null and void, technically they probably are but like many "temporary" political meaures (income tax springs to mind) they would likely be upheld by the US courts as having garnered a certain "legitimacy" by their unchallenged use and the presumed consensus (?) reached before the issuance of them. Jamieson Hiya Jamieson, I know that there is either a 30 or 60 day period that either the Congress or the Senate (Gee, do I know how my government works or what?) to stop the EO. In fact, there has been great concern on several lists why no one seems to have any objections within the House or Senate about the many EOs that have come down the pike recently. But, basically, I was wanting to know if EOs where designed to specially and ONLY address land issues and if there is no amendment in the Constitution to create them. Hilary DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Can any verify this?
-Caveat Lector- -- From: Jim Norman [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [CTRL] Can any verify this? Date: Thursday, April 15, 1999 12:28 PM -Caveat Lector- Yardbird wrote: -Caveat Lector- "Executive Orders are for selling and purchasing of land. And nothing else, in fact there is NO Constitutional Amendment to create an EO. And until there is these EOs are NULL VOID!!!" I may be wrong, but I always thought an EO was a way of circumventing the US constitution as their authority rests on the President, whom I assume makes sure he has enough support in the House and Senate before issuing one. As for null and void, technically they probably are but like many "temporary" political meaures (income tax springs to mind) they would likely be upheld by the US courts as having garnered a certain "legitimacy" by their unchallenged use and the presumed consensus (?) reached before the issuance of them. Jamieson An Executive Order is a military term. All military establishments have a board when two thing are posted every day. 1. the orders of the day. and 2. The XO's Executive Orders. Lincoln was the first to use and EO. It happened just after the South Left the Union. When the South left, they no longer had a consensus to conduct business. Lincoln declared a National Emergency, declared martial law and began issuing EO's. We've been under Martial Law every since. Jim Norman Now this is an interesting piece of information Hilary DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Can any verify this?
-Caveat Lector- -- From: Prudence L. Kuhn [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [CTRL] Can any verify this? Date: Thursday, April 15, 1999 2:10 PM -Caveat Lector- In a message dated 04/15/1999 1:44:04 PM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I may be wrong, but I always thought an EO was a way of circumventing the US constitution as their authority rests on the President, whom I assume makes sure he has enough support in the House and Senate before issuing one. As for null and void, technically they probably are but like many "temporary" political meaures (income tax springs to mind) they would likely be upheld by the US courts as having garnered a certain "legitimacy" by their unchallenged use and the presumed consensus (?) reached before the issuance of them. Well, Richard Nixon used one to stop the Western ranchers and sheep herders from putting out cyanide baits on public land. The method being used was rather wiping out the entire food chain, not to mention the dogs belonging to the forest rangers. No problem though. I'm sure they've found other means to wipe out wildlife. I must say, however, that I've never heard such a furor over executive orders as I have lately. Prudy Prudy, That is because some of the EOs that have been written in the past decade have been pretty scary. Hilary DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Can any verify this?
-Caveat Lector- -- From: T Nohava [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [CTRL] Can any verify this? Date: Thursday, April 15, 1999 8:19 PM -Caveat Lector- "Executive Orders are for selling and purchasing of land. And nothing else, in fact there is NO Constitutional Amendment to create an EO. And until there is these EOs are NULL VOID!!!" I may be wrong, but I always thought an EO was a way of circumventing the US constitution as their authority rests on the President, whom I assume makes sure he has enough support in the House and Senate before issuing one. As for null and void, technically they probably are but like many "temporary" political meaures (income tax springs to mind) they would likely be upheld by the US courts as having garnered a certain "legitimacy" by their unchallenged use and the presumed consensus (?) reached before the issuance of them. Jamieson An Executive Order is a military term. All military establishments have a board when two thing are posted every day. 1. the orders of the day. and 2. The XO's Executive Orders. Lincoln was the first to use and EO. It happened just after the South Left the Union. When the South left, they no longer had a consensus to conduct business. Lincoln declared a National Emergency, declared martial law and began issuing EO's. We've been under Martial Law every since. Jim Norman I think you're correct Jim, in that technically we've been under martial since then. It's been my understanding that an EO written by the President has to be qualified in some way by members (maybe a subcommittee perhaps) of Congress. If the EO is enacted it is the law for six months and then Congress meets to decide if the EO should be continued. The problem I feel is allot can happen in six months for which no one can do anything about. Yes, it does stand for a certain period of time. Hilary DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Reno's Massacre Reaches Climax on 4/19/99! or Days of Shame
-Caveat Lector- Don't miss the graphics Folks! That witch needs some Old English justice, i.e. strung up and quartered. NEVER FORGET "Waco": Between the days of February 28, 1993 and April 19th, 1993, approximately 80 men, women, and children living peacefully in their home near Waco, Texas, were killed by the combined efforts of the US Defense Department and other government paramilitary units: the US Treasury Department's Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, and Firearms (ATF), and the Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI). The incident also claimed the lives of four ATF agents Waco Holocaust Electronic Museum http://www.monumental.com/SkyWriter/WacoMuseum/ God bless Carol Valentine, the Curator. *** "In an age of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act." --attr. George Orwell Hey Slave, Did you to your corrupt Master today? Bard Visit me at: The Center for Exposing Corruption in the Federal Government http://www.xld.com/public/center/center.htm Federal Government defined: a benefit/subsidy protection racket! DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Fw: End Arbitrary Access to the Voting Booth!
-Caveat Lector- Alamaine Ratliff wrote: -Caveat Lector- - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, April 12, 1999 4:18 PM Subject: End Arbitrary Access to the Voting Booth! : Rep. John Conyers (D-MI) has introduced a bill that would take the first : step toward abolishing one of the last remaining restrictions enacted : nearly 100 years ago to deny African Americans the right to vote: criminal : disenfranchisement laws. : : Although the other tools of voter discrimination enacted after the Civil : War -- poll taxes, grandfather clauses and literacy tests -- have long : since been abolished, criminal disenfranchisement laws continue to be used : as a means of denying African Americans access to the voting booth. : Statistics show that blacks are five times as likely as whites to be : disenfranchised under felony voter laws. : : In fact, a recent report by The Sentencing Project and Human Rights Watch : estimated that "in states that disenfranchise ex-felons, 40 percent of the : next generation of black men is likely to lose permanently the right to : vote." : : Only one reason could account for this disproportionate impact and that's : bias in the law enforcement system. According to the National Household : Survey on Drug Abuse, twice as many whites as blacks use crack. Yet even : "drug czar" Barry McCaffrey recently acknowledged that nearly 90 percent of : the people locked up for crack under federal drug laws are black. : : Currently 3.9 million Americans are disqualified from voting because of an : inconsistent patchwork of state laws that disenfranchise citizens who have : been convicted of a felony. Experts believe that in seven states one in : four black men has permanently lost the right to vote. No other democratic : nation indefinitely disenfranchises as many people because of felony : convictions. : : The Conyers bill, HR 906, would guarantee that all citizens who have paid : their debt to society and are no longer incarcerated regain the right to : vote in federal elections, even if they are barred from voting in state : elections. : : End arbitrary access to the voting booth! Send a FREE FAX to your : Representative urging him or her to support HR 906 from the ACLU web site : at: : : http://www.aclu.org/action/vote106.html : : --- YIKES!!! Don't these laws apply to all the races? Instead of changing the laws, Blacks can avoid becomming criminal felons. Now ther's a radical concept. Joshua2 DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] This is why Capitalists need a state.
-Caveat Lector- ___ Red Alert: Fear of Increasing Failures and Foreign Domination May Lead to Nationalization of Japanese Banks Summary Speaking in Tokyo on April 13, Hakuo Yanagisawa, head of Japan's Financial Reconstruction Commission, said that he feared many Japanese regional banks may intentionally go under, judging that relying on the government safety nets is more profitable than continuing to operate under current conditions. Yanagisawa said he was worried that if too many regional banks collapse, foreign banks will dominate the Japanese financial landscape. In commenting on the voluntary closure of banks, Yanagisawa asked, "If such cases are to surface, I wonder how we should prevent them?" Given the threat of a financial market consisting primarily of foreign banks, it seems possible that the solution will involve continuing moves to nationalize Japanese banks. Analysis The head of Japan's Financial Reconstruction Commission, Hakuo Yanagisawa, warned that the impending collapse and subsequent government takeover of Kokumin Bank might signal a wave of other regional banks folding. Speaking in Tokyo, Yanagisawa said, "When faced with the collapse of Kokumin Bank I strongly felt that second-tier regional banks may start finding their banking business unprofitable and thinking they may as well dump their business because the government will protect them with a well grounded safety net." He added, "Since we have established a safety net which is too perfect, the banks do not fear making a mistake. Indeed, they may voluntarily start going under. If such cases are to surface, I wonder how we should prevent them." visit STRATFOR's web site http://www.stratfor.com/services/aiu/ == Nationalize all banks all the time. Not just when they are failing do to the greed and incompetence of private bankers. Banking is way too important in a modern society to leave it in the hands of capitalists. Joshua2 DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Can any verify this?
-Caveat Lector- "Hilary A. Thomas" wrote: -Caveat Lector- Hello all, I just came across some information. Can any verify this? Comments? "Executive Orders are for selling and purchasing of land. And nothing else, in fact there is NO Constitutional Amendment to create an EO. And until there is these EOs are NULL VOID!!!" My understanding of executive orders is that there are only two basis for them in the Constitution. One would be as per your example and other orders within government. For instance, Truman's order to integrate the military, etc. The other possibility for executive orders is when the country is in a state of emergence. There are two theories as to how these possible situations apply to the people at this time. First, in the case of executive orders only applying within the government. It is thought by some that by voluntarily obtaining a social security account, one becomes a part of the government and thus can be effected by executive orders. As to the second situation. Some argue that Roosevelt emergency declaration of March, 1933 (under which he ordered the banks closed and the confiscation of American's gold) has never been ended and thus we are still under emergency rule and thus ruled by executive order. Under the later theory, we are really under a dictatorship and the Congress' purpose is limited to setting policy, though it can be over ruled by the president. Howard Davis DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] America's Funeral Song?
-Caveat Lector- Mike Moxley wrote: -Caveat Lector- Always wondered what the lyrics to this song by Don McClean meant. The web site goes into DEEP interpretation of the song that all us "fortyish" types used to sing. It's got it all: Conspiracy Mystery Babylon United Nations Planned Destruction of America Lost Tribes of Israel The Militia Movement The Protocols Recent American History Washington's Vision The Communist Manifesto Bible Prophecy Armageddon Move over Buddy Holly, it's not about you. --- America's funeral hymn, The song of Moses, American Pie, and Armageddon. http://web2.airmail.net/rotal2/ampies.htm -- Whatever conclusion you come to after reading this, you will never again think of this song as you used to No good power born of this earth could break, or stop Satan's power, as his armies, united under the banner of Red Babylon, advance toward America. This evil power of the adversary's of Christian America, symbolized by Satan, will not be able to be stopped or broken, according to the song American Pie. In this case Satan's spell or power, would be the advancing armies of Satan. Satan's armies will be united under the United Nations of Mystery Babylon. At that future time the American people will realize that, 'no good power born of this earth, will be able to stop Satan's advancing armies. They will watch these armies march into helpless and defenseless America. These Armies who's number shall be as the sands of the sea. These armies will then set America on fire, and murder it's citizens.. -- "Bye-bye, Miss American Pie. Drove my Chevy to the levee, but the levee was dry. Those good-ole-boys were drinking, Whiskey and rye, singing, "This'll be the day that I die, This'll be the day that I die." ** [EMAIL PROTECTED] The Patriot Resource Center: http://www.geocities.com/CapitolHill/6627/ **Live Free or Die!** Never never never trust a superstitious psychotic to interpret anything. They are totally whacked out and are incapable of judging reality. American Pie is about the plane crash that killed Buddy Holly, Big Bopper, and Ritchie Valens, it also refers to Presley, Bob Dylan, and Mick Jagger. Keep your psychotic nightmares in church. Joshua2 DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Can any verify this?
-Caveat Lector- Colleen Jones wrote: -Caveat Lector- JFK according to Jim Marrs.had on his desk a signed Executive Action Order which would have caused the Federal Reserve System to shudder - it was alleged when his father was told by his son what he was going to do, his father said "They will kill youthey will never let you do that"..and they did.the day he signed this order, he was on his way to Dallas. I had a friend once who claimed to have been a Navy Seal in 1963 assigned to Kennedy as a body guard. He said that he was with him in Florida visiting Joe Kennedy and the argument quoted from above. He said that he was shipped off to Vietnam the next day. Howard Davis DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Cold War Is Back, With Nuclear Threat
-Caveat Lector- Nicola Tesla, the inventor of the alternating current generator and motor (upon which our present civilization is based), claimed to have invented a "death ray". It sounded suspiciously like some sort of particle beam accelerator which he claimed would protect any country from invasion. Most thought he was a crackpot and his later writings were ignored. However, all his writings were confiscated by the US government in 1943 when he died. Some may never have been released to his relatives (who incidentally were Serbians, they went to a museum in Belgrade). However, in thinking about this possible weapon, I realized that it may not be to the advantage of some to have such a weapon available to all countries. It certainly would make things difficult for NATO right now. So, it seems to me that it may be quite possible that such a weapon has already been invented, but that it is under wraps. Howard Davis Jim Yester wrote: -Caveat Lector- In a message dated 4/15/99 12:36:39 PM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Reagan alluded that Star Wars might be used to protect us from other-worldy enemies. We'll be nuked long before an effective system can be developed to prevent it -- even if it had been fully funded in the '80's. I don't think we have the ability to develop and effective missile defense system. It's just throwing good money after bad, feeding the hungry military-industrial complex. Why the "left" (misnomer) is supporting it now is beyond me, and I'm *one of them*. Samm Reagan alluded to the possibility of alien invaders, but I don't recall that being connected with SDI. Do you have the quote? You are correct that left is a misnomer. I've said for some time now that left, right, liberal, and conservative are passe terms, because they no longer clearly define anything. I prefer counting myself among the "common sense" faction, and sometimes that's left and sometimes it's right. You make some other logical points, among them that you can't trust the military-industrial complex to spend the money properly, and that it's probably too late anyway. However, Reagan also made a logical point that I agree with: The best deterrent to war is a strong and powerful military. It is also logical to conclude that if there is a threat, it is suicidal not to do what ever is possible to defend yourself. All in all, a catch-22 I guess. Jim DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] America's Funeral Song?
-Caveat Lector- Never never never trust a superstitious psychotic to interpret anything. They are totally whacked out and are incapable of judging reality. American Pie is about the plane crash that killed Buddy Holly, Big Bopper, and Ritchie Valens, it also refers to Presley, Bob Dylan, and Mick Jagger. Keep your psychotic nightmares in church. Joshua2 Actually there are many interpretations out there to this song. And Don McClean, when asked the meaning of his lyrics, has always been tight-lipped, refusing to answer. The psychotic nightmares are published daily in the media. As for the rest of the tripe you wrote, it only confirms what I've known all along, Joshua2 is a smart ass bigot. DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Can any verify this?
-Caveat Lector- Do you believe it was because he overheard this conversation. Just once I said the same thinga news reporter called me in March of 1968, St. Patricks Day, and said "Well Bobby's going to run for President". I said "Oh No, they will kill him"..and he said "you are probably right". There are some really evil forces at work and have been at work for a long, long time. I believe they actually planned WWII, and as usual, the Bible Code is the key...the reason I believe that is Pearl Harbor Dayand the last Chapter of Mathew - JFK took the title of his book from this Chapter, and it is "The Rising Sun"the symbol of the Rising Sun of Japan, and the message to "Climb Mt. ..." cannot forget the mountain name. Even the Soviet Union knew of this code, which was once used by CIA according to Sybil Leek. Could you please tell my why you think the young man sent to Viet Nam; for his own safety, to get him out of the picture - they were afraid he would tell? JFK read his bible all the way to Dallas; they said it was a very special, hand sewn silk bible.Eccl. 12 was his favorite passagehe knew what this code was, and so does every High Degree Mason in the Country, including the "Burning" Bush. Colleen Thanks for the letter. Really appreciate. DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Can any verify this?
-Caveat Lector- "Howard R. Davis III" wrote: -Caveat Lector- Colleen Jones wrote: -Caveat Lector- JFK according to Jim Marrs.had on his desk a signed Executive Action Order which would have caused the Federal Reserve System to shudder - it was alleged when his father was told by his son what he was going to do, his father said "They will kill youthey will never let you do that"..and they did.the day he signed this order, he was on his way to Dallas. I had a friend once who claimed to have been a Navy Seal in 1963 assigned to Kennedy as a body guard. He said that he was with him in Florida visiting Joe Kennedy and the argument quoted from above. He said that he was shipped off to Vietnam the next day. Howard Davis That executive order is, I believe, EO#2. It essentially authorized congress to revert to using United States Notes for its debt rather than continuing to use the Federal Reserve Note. The significance is that a United States note has no interest added and the United States can retrieve those notes when ever it wants. The Federal Reserve notes DO incur interest and that is how the National Debt is generated. Do you remember the United States Notes? We used them for a long time. They had a red seal and red ID number. This is what supplanted the "National Currency" note which was issued by a Federal Reserve bank the National Currency note could be redeemed in "lawful Money". First thing Johnson did when he got in office was to issue EO 4 (or so) and retract EO 2, thereby saving the Fed. .Jim Norman == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Info on 'Spear of Destiny'
-Caveat Lector- Colleen Jones wrote: -Caveat Lector- Get the album - rather expensive, get it, tape it, and return itThe Ring - Wagners Ring..the beautiful Tannhauser, and the ride of the Valkyreis; now my spelling is off here..this beautiful music is always reserved for the super rich, while our children are fed garbage. occasionally public services shows part of it, but the movie Meeting Venus shows the traumatic effect the works of Richard Wagner had on the people of Germanyto me it is probably the most beautiful creation in this history of music; however, I do like offenbach's Orpheus in the Underworld..Offenbach, was a Russian jew, who wrote the French Can Can. In the works of Richrd Wagner, one sees beauty and power and well, get the album. Just ran across a couple of Wagner jokes that I thought might be of interest. I have seen a movie of Parsifal and have listened to it many times on records and CDs. It is one of my favorites, but I know that many don't enjoy his work as much as I. Also, I might mention that I once heard his granddaughter speak. This was about 30 years ago and she was fairly old at the time. I think her name was Winnefred. She spoke of the relationship of her grandfather's music to the Nazis and how much of her family had supported Hitler. She, however, said that she thought that the "Ring" was symbolic of the Nazis in that at the end greed destroyed the gods. In fact, the last music the Berlin Philharmonic played at the end of WW2 was from the "Twilight of the Gods". "Parsifal - the kind of opera that starts at six o'clock and after it has been going three hours, you look at your watch and it says 6:20." -- David Randolph "One can't judge Wagner's opera Lohengrin after a first hearing, and I certainly don't intend hearing it a second time." -- Gioacchino Rossini librarys have it tooyou could traumatize as nation with music such as this. DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Can any verify this?
-Caveat Lector- Well, now I understand this stuff; most people do not understand the Federal Reserve, but this list sure brings out a lot of facts and interesting material. So...Aaron Burr in a duel killed Alexander Hamilton, who was supposedly instrumental in setting up this Federal Reservehe sure made the right enemies too. Did not now that about LBJ. Strange he would do that, is it not; when supposedly, he was to carry out JFK's unfinished plans still on the drawing boardJust Like Reagan, was it not. Colleen DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] What Happened to the COX REPORT??
-Caveat Lector- Where is it? Folks, You getting tired of this "wag the dog" bs? Bard Visit me at: The Center for Exposing Corruption in the Federal Government http://www.xld.com/public/center/center.htm Federal Government defined: a benefit/subsidy protection racket! DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Info on 'Spear of Destiny'
-Caveat Lector- Now is has been a long time since I read the above book (1980 about) and hear Wagner's ring. But Hitler, hated the maryterhe wanted to be like Klingsor..who wants to be crucified on a cross these days. Jomo Kenyatta.he played the role of a Moses, as did MLK (day by day, sermon for sermon to the bible code/communication).however, Kenyatta wanted to avoid crucifixionnot end up a martyer. Well, if you go to Kenya today I imagine the Masonic Sybol is still above this one old building; Jomo evidently was in. People have been waiting for the Messiah's return now for nearly 2,000 years; some believe he will be reincarnated, which means if it is this millenium, he is here..the son of a King, the heir to the throne of David So, I think we have another thousand years to gotwo thousand years is a long time to wait on anyone, but when he descends, allegedly his heel will hit the top of a mountainbook called Footsteps of Orpheus stated there are people drilling at the foot of this mountain now Such is lifeHitler thrived on Nazi Marching bands, not Wagner. The idea was there, but Hitler wanted to play the role of the evil one. Colleen Must get this stuff out again; but I had my favorite parts. Always liked Midsummers Night Dream...which I nearly wore out on my "record player""I am sent with broom before to sweep the dust behind the door"Shakespeare held a lot of masonic stuff too. DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] What Happened to the COX REPORT??
-Caveat Lector- I got through to your site tonite; and I could not believe the magnitude of it and all the information. Its really something. Colleen DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] [7] Treason in America -- From Aaron Burr to Averell Harriman
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Treason in America -- From Aaron Burr to Averell Harriman
ANTON CHAITKIN (C)1984
New Benjamin Franklin House
P. O. Box 20551
New York, New York 10023
ISBN 0-933488-32-7
--[7]--
PART II
The True History of the Civil War
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How Boston's Brahmins Sought to Destroy the United States
In the spring of 1808, the future President of the United States, Senator
John Quincy Adams of Massachusetts, held an urgent and confidential meeting
with President Thomas Jefferson. Adams's message was that members of his own
party the New England Federalists, were engaged in a plot to bring about a
secession of the states of New England from the United States.(1)
Reduced to the most essential points, what Senator Adams revealed to
President Jefferson was the following: A group of leading merchant and
banking families of the Federalist Party in New England called the Essex
Junto, was working in close collaboration with agents of the British Secret
Intelligence Service (SIS) operating out of Boston. in their effort to bring
about an early secession these treasonous plotters were playing upon the
discontent caused by the President's total embargo against all foreign trade.
Adams advised the President to change the terms of the foreign-trade embargo,
to limit the prohibition on foreign trade only to trade with Britain and
France. It had been the naval forces of Britain and France which had been
preying among U. S. shipping. Jefferson accepted Adams's advice. The advice
successfully weakened the secessionists' organizing efforts for the moment.
This incident leads us directly to the true causes of the great civil war
which destroyed a half-million American lives during 1861-1865, equal to the
combined total U.S. deaths in World Wars I and II.
In the series of chapters composing the present, second section of our report
on Treason in America, we focus our attention on those leading New England
families which gave us such institutions as the Bank of Boston and such
notable figures as William and McGeorge Bundy today. We document the leading
features of their plot to destroy the United States, a plot which we trace
here from their effort to elect the traitor Aaron Burr President of the
United States, in 1800, into their role in creating the Confederacy from the
inside during the 1850s, in close collaboration with Britain's Lord
Palmerston and the British Secret Intelligence Service.
The general flavor of the New England plotters' outlook is shown by examining
sections of the correspondence among some of the leading members of the plot
during the years 1803-1804, four years before Senator Adams's report to
President Jefferson.
At the time Senator Adams delivered that report, leading members of the Essex
Junto were known to have included the following prominent personalities:
Massachusetts Senator George Cabot; the recently deceased Judge John Lowell
(ancestor of the Bundys) and his son, John ("The Rebel") Lowell; former
Secretary of State Timothy Pickering; merchant Stephen Higginson;
Massachusetts Supreme Court Justice Theophilus Parsons; and Aaron Burr's
brother-in-law, Judge Tapping Reeve of Litchfield, Connecticut. The
name"EssexJunto"wasderived from the fact that all of the leading plotters,
except Judge Reeve, were born north of Boston, in Essex County,
Massachusetts. It is from the correspondence of George Cabot, Timothy
Pickering, and Judge Reeve, that the following self-damning statements of the
plotters are taken.
George Cabot to Timothy Pickering, February 14, 1804:
At the same time that I do not desire a separation at this moment, I add that
it is not practicable without intervention of some cause which should be very
generally felt and distinctly understood as chargeable to the misconduct of
our southern masters . . . the essential alteration which may in the future
be made to amend our form of government will be the consequences of only a
great suffering, or the immediate effects of violence Separation will be
unavoidable, when our loyalty to the union is generally perceived to be the
instrument of debasement and impoverishment. If a separation should, by and
by, be produced by suffering, I think it might be accompanied by important
ameliorations of our theories.(2)
A picture of the fellow-plotter to whom George Cabot wrote those observations
is provided by excerpts from two items Timothy Pickering's correspondence.
The first is addressed one Richard Peters, and is dated December 24, 1803:
Although the end of all our Revolutionary labors and expectations is
disappointment, and all our fond hopes of republican happiness are vanity,
and the real patriots of '76 are overwhelmed by modern pretenders to that
character, I will not yet despair: I would rather anticipate a new
confederacy, exempt from the corrupt and corrupting influence of the
aristocratic Democrats of the South. There will be and our children at
farthest will see ita separation. The white and the black population will
mark
[CTRL] [18] Mellon's Millions
-Caveat Lector- an excerpt from: Mellon's Millions Harvey O'Conner©1933 Blue Ribbon Books New York, N.Y. --[18]-- 18 The Fortune Goes Marching On IF his years in public office seemed fruitless after Congress had torn down the Mellon Plan of taxation and the voters, in 1932, had repudiated his theory of business-in-government, they at least rescued from obscurity the processes by which Andrew Mellon had quietly reared the nation's largest fortune. In one way, the Mellon fortune was unique. It embraced the widest diversity in the methods of accumulating wealth that acquisitive art had yet attained. The Rockefellers based their millions on petroleum, the Fords on automobiles, the Du Ponts on explosives and chemicals, the Vanderbilts on railroads, and the Morgans on finance. The Mellons ran nearly the whole gamut. Segments of their billions represented gains from real estate, money lending, steel, railroad equipment, oil, coal and its myriad by-products, aluminum, carborundum, utilities. Andrew Mellon's distinction was that he greeted eagerly yet cautiously each opportunity placed before the head of the banking house of T. Mellon Sons. He supervised minutely the growth of infant enterprises, selected with uncanny precision those able subordinates to whom he entrusted the management of his corporations, insulated himself from humanity so that his cold, amoral spirit could not be swayed by those warm considerations that halted many on the march to millions. He entered the business world from the finest training school in America, that kept by Judge Mellon. From the first he was armed with power, the power of his father's millions. He was born to command, to use with dexterity the tools by which entrepreneurs manipulated natural resources, labor power, the needs of consumers. Before the banker who controlled a reservoir of capital in the center of the nation's heavy industrial district came an endless procession of opportunities. Necessitous men with ideas, others with unique access to natural resources, laid their potential wealth at his feet in return for his financing. Charles M. Hall and his aluminum process, Colonel Guffey and the Lucas gusher, Doctor Koppers and his by-product oven, formed the tripod on which the Mellons' industrial empire was to rest. Andrew Mellon neglected few of the techniques by which money could be made. Basic to all in his scheme was the use of money to make money. Union Trust stood at the very center of the world he ruled. The first few thousands wrung by Thomas Mellon from mechanics' liens, notes and mortgages grew in seventy-five years to hundreds of millions, were hired out to eager borrowers, and secured by underlying mortgages on choice property and industries. The keystone to his industrial fortune was the use of monopoly, the restriction of output, the raising of prices to artificial levels, the tying up of processes by patents. Andrew Mellon disliked vulgar competition with others, preferred to corner a raw material or process and force consumers to bargain with him for access to their requirements. Aluminum's profits of $100,000,000 in the six years from 1926 to 1931 testified to his success. Gulf Oil with profits of $175,000,000 between 1925 and 1930 justified his price and output alliance with Standard Oil. Koppers grew to such lusty vigor under the Government's favoring patent laws that later none other could compete. Where monopoly was impossible, the Mellons speculated discreetly. Their early millions arose from the soil of Pittsburgh. They foresaw the growth of the city toward its present suburbs, cannily gained large tracts of land, and exacted their price when the pressure of population forced home-seekers to the Mellon realty offices. Mellon traction lines guided the direction of growth. Mellon lumber and coal firms reaped a second harvest. The manufacture and manipulation of stocks opened a new avenue to wealth for the proprietors of Union Trust. Their first triumphs, when the corporate age bloomed early in the Twentieth Century, were Monongahela River Coal Coke and Pittsburgh Coal, sadly over-capitalized firms which were doomed from the start to cheat the hopes of investors who placed their faith and funds in them. Later adventures of the House of Mellon far outran its earlier efforts: the apex was participation in the syndicate which floated Kreuger Toll debentures. The only worth in this worthless security was the names of the eminent firms, including Union Trust, which sponsored it. Error in such a matter could have been remedied by full and prompt reimbursement of aggrieved investors. Judge Mellon would have insisted on that, his sons, like the other sponsors, made no such move. The public need for gas and electricity was not overlooked. Not only were prices charged consumers which represented a generous profiteven the Mayor of New York was obliged to denounce rates charged by a Mellon companybut these profits were made the base for a
[CTRL] [19] Mellon's Millions [Notes Apendices]
-Caveat Lector- an excerpt from: Mellon's Millions Harvey O'Conner©1933 Blue Ribbon Books New York, N.Y. --[Notes Apendices]-- NOTES I am particularly indebted to Basha DeWard for preparation of the financial tables in Appendices 6 and 7, and to Maurice Schneirov for assistance in examining records in the Allegheny County courthouse. Arthur G. McDowell, Martin Dillmon, Esther Lowell and Carl Haessler helped in preparing the chapter on labor. Many newspaper men in Pittsburgh and Washington have given me valuable sidelights on the Mellon fortune and history. Most of all I wish to acknowledge my gratitude to my wife, Jessie Lloyd, who helped in collecting material and in revising the manuscript. FOREWORD John T. Flynn in his Rockefeller biography entitled God's Cold, estimated the fortune of the Rockefellers, father and son, in 1932 at $150,000,000. The Ford Motor Company's net worth is recorded in a statement filed with the New Hampshire Secretary of State. CHAPTER 1 Chapter 1 is based mainly on Judge Mellon's autobiography, entitled Thomas Mellon and His Times, printed privately in Pittsburgh in 1886. The volume is rare. Old-time Pittsburghers like to describe the furore among the younger Mellons when their father's opus appeared. The old man had sent copies to his friends around town. Andy and Dick, according to the story, hitched up the mare and drove to every house where they suspected a copy might be found and collected as many of the precious books as they could demand or wheedle from their father's friends. Andrew Carnegie, on the opening page of his autobiography, pays tribute to that of judge Mellon in these words: "A book of this kind, written years ago by my friend, judge Mellon, of Pittsburgh, gave me so much pleasure that I am inclined to agree with the wise one whose opinion I have given above; for certainly, the story which the judge told has proved a source of infinite satisfaction to his friends, and must continue to influence succeeding generations of his family to live life well. And not only this; to some beyond his immediate circle it holds rank with their favorite authors. The book contains one essential feature of value it reveals the man." Allegheny County court records extending back into the 1830s have been consulted for material concerning the early growth of the Mellon fortune via the mortgage and judgment route. CHAPTER 2 Chapter 2 draws on Judge Mellon's autobiography and on J. R. Mellon: Letters, privately printed in 1928. This slender book, edited apparently in James Ross Mellon's nonage, throws a revealing light on Judge Mellon's careful training of his sons. The volume, with its references to insanity in the maternal line of the family and its intimate glimpses into the Mellon psychology, probably was greeted with as little enthusiasm by other members of the family as Judge Mellon's book. James Ross Mellon, although the second son of Judge Mellon, faded out of the picture about the time his father died. He was associated in the realty, lumber and bank business with his oldest brother, Thomas Alexander, who died in 1899. Held by some to be not so bright as his younger brothers, James Ross was regarded as less tightfisted. He was closely guarded in his later years to restrain his impulse to give away slices of his fortune. Perhaps the most memorable incident in the otherwise unruffled life of James Ross was the shipwreck of the S.S. Republic in 1909, in which for the first time radio was used to summon aid at sea. Mrs Mellon, more panicky over her lack of clothing than the sinking 'hip: rushed back to her cabin for a skirt while her husband stamped the deck, complaining that the life belt didn't fit and that he could not find his socks. They were finally located in his coat pocket. The shipwreck ended plans for a trip to Egypt. James Ross held tenaciously to his belief in prohibition long after the current had started against it. Speaking before the Theta Delta Chi assembly in 1933, he said: "The United States as a whole could get along without liquor and would have, but for the foreign element which introduced bootlegging and racketeering on a wholesale scale." He reproved John D. Rockefeller, Jr., for his attack on prohibition. For the foreclosure of James Kelly's estate, see Harry C. Gilchrist's History of Wilkinsburg, 1927, as well as Allegheny County court records. Early files of the Pittsburgh Banker and the Pittsburgh Legal Journal have been valuable for sidelights on early Mellon history. Files of Pittsburgh newspapers of the 1870s and 188os have been consulted for judge Mellon's service as Select Councilman. Judge Mellon's treatise on The Sunday Question was privately printed in Pittsburgh in 1883 The Pittsburgh riots in 1887 and other phases of early industrial history of the Iron City are described in Pittsburgh's Progress, Industries and Resources, by George H. Thurston, 1886, and also the same author's Allegheny County's Hundred Years, 1888.
Re: [CTRL] [SC] Skeptic News Final
-Caveat Lector- - Original Message - From: DougKeachie [EMAIL PROTECTED] Ric Carter, listowner of SkeptiChat, editor of SkeptiNews and co-editor of CTRL [Conspiracy Theory Research List], has been abducted by aliens, most likely Reptilioids or their SauroBorg collaborators, and is now undergoing extensive medical experimentation at a remote facility. Alac and alas, the Y2K experts from area 51 finally decided to draft Ric into service to fix there most vexing problems. We must run and tell the King ! You thing it's funny, having your vital essences drained from you and replaced with long-chain polymers? You like having Altairian macro-parasites implanted in your neurovascular bundles? Is that your idea of fun?? Ric is being used as a lab-rat, as a test-bed of unspeakable researches. And you haven't even contributed any news items here, you've done nothing to fill the void left by his abduction. Do better. Be useful. Y2K is sooner than you think. ## SUCCESSFUL CONTROL OF COBOL REQUIRES MAGIC ## CobolMage ## Them who can't program, manage; them who can't manage, manage programmers. DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Gulf War Syndrome, Biological Warfare Conducted on U.S. Military Members, Part 2
-Caveat Lector- Veteran Medical Files Destroyed or Missing Guess what happened to our veterans medical files? They are destroyed. There was actually an attorney who was sent to prison for destroying veterans medical files. Many of the medical files of Gulf War veterans are missing. No only are they missing, but now the proof that they received the vaccinations is now missing. Gulf War Participants Force-Injected With Experimental Vaccines Let's talk about how we were affected on the biological side. The first way was with the immunizations. We were given 10 or 11 immunizations prior to going to the gulf. We don't know everything we got. Some of us got sick afterwards. The Anthrax vaccinations were given over in the Gulf, in the theater of operations, and you were forced to submit to it. If you didn't take it, you were court-martialed. People were put into a room like this, the doors were locked, and they had security guards with side arm who stood by while people were forced to take this injection. Why? Why would they do this to people? The Anthrax "vaccine" had not been approved and was experimental. The injection for Botulism was also dangerous. All of these things in combination created a problem. The Soviet Doctrine: The Biological Cocktail But, the real problem that we believe to be the main transmission agent was via the SCUD-B and FROG missiles. You see, the SCUD missiles that Hussein used on us had biological and chemical agents in them. When the Patriots shot them down, it rained biological and chemical agents down on the troops. In terms of biological warfare, they used what is called the SOVIET DOCTRINE, in which 18-20 biological agents were mixed together in the tanks of the SCUD missiles. Because the batch contained so many biological agents, it effectively confuses the diagnosis and the treatment process. Now, ask yourself this. Media Projects Responsibility on Iraq for U.S. Crimes What is the press coming out and saying? If you read the media, which I hope you don't, you will see an article in the Kansas City Star on October 14th that said, "Iraq Sanctioned", in which they claimed "Iraq lied to us about having and using biological weapons." You know as well as I do that they have satellites in the sky that enable them to see what you are having for dinner. You know they knew what Hussein had, because they sold it to them. Absolutely. This is what I want you to be watching for, because this is going to be the cover story. They are going to have to deal with the Gulf War illness because so many people have it now. In fact, I will tell you now that because we know that over 10,000 have already died, and we believe 500,000 of our Gulf War veterans to be sick, Dr. Nicholson told me that 20% of the people around the theater of operations (United Arab Emirates, Bahrain, etc.) are now sick. It is coming to a place near you, believe me. The chronic fatigue syndrome. I got a call from a doctor the other day who told me that he has 15 patients with CFS, and they don't know anyone who went to the Gulf War. It's transmissible through sex and through kissing, because it is now found in the dental floss test, where you can see evidence of the mycoplasma. It is communicable and it is going to be growing. A doctor called me the other day, and he said, "I don't know what's going on. I volunteered to take care of these Gulf War veterans because the VA wouldn't take care of them, and now I'm sick with the same problem. Can you help me understand why I'm sick?" I said, "don't you know its a communicable disease?" He had no idea, because the official position of the U.S. Government is that "there is no Gulf War illness." Peter Kawaja has been talking about the fact that "GF" was used during the war. Nobody ever mentioned "GF" or even heard of it, except Peter Kawaja, and he kept saying "GF was used." Well, the substance called "GF" is made by the U.S. Department of the Army. The government made it. I have evidence in the government logs of "GF" having been used during the war, but no one ever addressed "GF" until a U.S. News and World Report article came out on September 11, 1995. In this, they have the UN inspector going over to Iraq and inspecting the SCUDS and voicing the "sudden realization" that "Oh, they had all this nasty stuff over there after all that the Iraqis didn't tell us about". Well, I have evidence in a Pentagon report that shows that we knew about it more than 30 days before the war started. The U.S. government knew it was in the SCUDS, because the U.S. companies sold it to Iraq in the first place. It's interesting that in this story the UN inspector is trying to cover himself by saying what he did. The fact that "GF" is mentioned in Schwartzkoff's NBC log also proves the military knew it was there. The True Origin of The "New" Emerging Biological Diseases is the Biological Cocktail Thrust on the Planet By U.S. Companies, Disguised in the Media as "Mysterious New Diseases" from
[CTRL] Gulf War Syndrome, Biological Warfare Conducted on U.S. Military Members, Part 1
-Caveat Lector- Gulf War Syndrome, Biological Warfare Conducted on U.S. Military Members, and Corporate Bio-Genocide Levied on the Planetary Population A Lecture By Captain Joyce Riley in Adrian, Michigan on Jan 15, 1996 Introduction (Applause) Thank you so very much. I am Joyce Riley, and I am here because I love my God and I love my country, and I love my fellow man. We are going to hear a story tonight that unfortunately is the saddest story, not only of the 20th century, but of America's history. You are going to hear about the destruction of the United States military. I am sorry to have to bring you this story. I wish it wasn't true. I wish that I could protect you from what you are going to hear tonight, because it has taken me a year to investigate this story. During that time, I went through the worst depression you can imagine. I finally came to the conclusion one day that - yes, our country had provided the biologicals to Saddam Hussein that were used on our troops. Our troops are sick and they are dying. My story started in 1991, when I decided to go back to the Air Force Reserve. I had been stationed in the late 1970's in New York State, and I had been involved as a flight nurse in the Air Force. I got out and was living my life, but then I heard that there was a war and that many of our men were going to die if they didn't have adequate care, and that they needed trained flight nurses. So, I decided to back into the service of my country. I went back to Kelly Air Force Base in San Antonio and I volunteered to go to Saudi Arabia. As it was, I didn't go to Saudi Arabia because the cease-fire came, so I served active duty missions on a C-130 aircraft for about six months. After that, I returned back to Houston to my job, where I was a heart, lung, kidney and liver transplant nurse in Houston, Texas. I became very ill and I could get no answers. I didn't know why I was sick. No one would talk with me about it. No one would help me with it, and I had to find out the answers myself, alone. The Problem So, I began the investigation myself to answer the question of why I was sick. I didn't even go to the Persian Gulf. They call it the Persian Gulf disease and the Persian Gulf Registry. They do that for a reason, because then they can exclude all of us who are sick who didn't go to the Persian Gulf. Well, I didn't go and I was still sick, and I wanted to know why. The only thing I had in common with those who did go is that I had received the immunizations and that I had a lot of contact with Gulf War veterans who were returning back to the states, and with other members of our unit. Little did we know at the time that the biologicals that were used were impregnated in the equipment they had, such as tents and duffle bags. It was being spread to all of us and we didn't even know it. We were being told a lie. America, I am sorry to tell you that we have been told one of the biggest lies this country has ever perpetrated upon us. They are telling us there is no Gulf War disease. They are telling us biologicals were not used. They are not even telling you that between 10,000 to 12,000 Gulf war vets have already died. I began my investigation and I went into depression the day I realized we had been lied to. I had been involved with President Bush and with the White House, because I had been involved in organ transplantation. I wrote a letter and called the White House and invited him to come to Houston with Dr. Cooley to sign an organ donor card. He and Barbara did accept the invitation, and I met with them, and they signed an organ donor card. President Bush told me at the time that "I appreciate what you are doing. If this had been available years ago, perhaps my daughter Robin might not have died." He told me that. Well, little did I know that during that same time they were making the poisons that were going to eventually kill us. At the end of the program, I am going to play an open letter I wrote to President Bush. He lives in Houston, as do all of the players in what you are about to hear tonight. They all reside in Houston. I do believe that the Lord gave me this story to tell, because a nurse from Houston, Texas just doesn't "come across" this information -- that biological warfare has been perpetrated on the American people. I knew when I heard the story that I had to move on it. I had to let Americans know. I would not be quiet, because you see I knew that the government was actively covering it up. What I am going to show you tonight is not opinion. It is not conjecture. It is proof. I am going to show you documentation on the overhead projector -- the evidence to support what I am saying to you. The basic fact is that biological agents were used on our troops. Chemical agents were used on our troops. Germ warfare was used on our troops -- using biologicals that were made in the United States of America. It was made in Houston, Texas and Boca Raton, Florida. It was passed
