date:20000903


ISRAELI BANKS KEPT NAZI VICTIMS ASSESTS

Israeli banks and institutions kept Nazi victims'
assets

By Jean Shaoul
23 August 2000


Evidence is emerging from an Israeli parliamentary committee and
court action that some of the pillars of the Israeli financial
establishment hung on to the assets of Jews who died under the
Nazi regime and blocked attempts by the victims' families to seek
justice. The committee has recommended an independent audit of at
least 12,000 dormant accounts and 5,000 safe deposit boxes at
Bank Leumi.

During the 1920s and 1930s, Zionist leaders actively sought
investment to build up Zionist enterprises and settlements in
what was then British-ruled Palestine. European Jews bought plots
of land and opened bank accounts in Palestine as a way of
contributing to the establishment of a Jewish homeland, preparing
for their own or their families' eventual emigration, and later,
after Hitler took power, seeking a haven for their savings.

No one knows for certain how much was involved. It is believed
that some $40 million was deposited in bank accounts and a
similar amount invested in land, much of which would now be in
prime locations in Haifa and Tel Aviv. Money and other valuables
were kept in safe deposits whose whereabouts are unknown.

When the Second World War broke out, the British mandate
government in Palestine seized the land and bank accounts held by
Jews from countries under Nazi rule as enemy property. Most of
the money was transferred back to London. Under the settlement
with Israel in 1950 , the British government paid back just $1.4
million in compensation for the bank accounts and handed over
records of the seized accounts and land to the Israeli
government. While some restitution payments were reportedly made,
the fate of other accounts and properties is unclear.

Shmuel Tsur, the Custodian-General at the Ministry of Justice who
manages the unclaimed property, maintains that almost all the
confiscated assets were either returned to their owners or handed
over to his office. He estimates that 20 percent of the holdings,
worth about $90 million, belonged to European Jews killed in the
war. Of the list of unclaimed accounts and properties published
by his office in 1997, fewer than 10 have been returned after
claims to them were confirmed. He used this to justify his
assertion that there was no reservoir of money or property hidden
away, but was forced to admit under questioning by the
parliamentary committee that he could not be sure that he had
received full reports from the banks regarding all dormant
accounts. "I start from the assumption that the bank reports are
correct," he said. He also acknowledged that successive Israeli
governments sold many of the plots of land to cover taxes or
expropriated them for development or military use.

Colette Avital, a member of Prime Minister Ehud Barak's One
Israel Party and chair of the parliamentary committee, said that
for years there have been lists of property abandoned by its
owners, including those who were believed to have perished in the
Holocaust. She said the Custodian-General had 4,300 real estate
assets, but other groups, such as the Jewish National Fund, also
held properties but had refused to publish details until pressed
by the hearings of the parliamentary committee. According to
Avital, while the banks said they had passed all information
about dormant accounts to the custodian-general she was sceptical
that full details were given.

Avital presented one example of an account from 1940 in which
96,000 lira was deposited. At the time, she said, the money was
enough to purchase two apartments on Rehov Allenby, one of the
main streets in Tel Aviv. "After 60 years, the Custodian-General
is offering to give back NIS [New Israeli Shekels] 285," she
said. The sum is equivalent to US$73.

Earlier this year, Bank Leumi published on its Internet site a
list of accounts that had been inactive since 1955 or earlier.
The Jewish National Fund, a land development agency, also
published on its site a list of plots sold to Jews before the war
that remain unclaimed. Last November, class action suits were
brought on behalf of relatives of Holocaust victims against Bank
Leumi and the privately owned Israel Land Development Company,
set up by the Zionist movement to buy land in Palestine. The
families are demanding full disclosure of the accounts and land
bought by Jews who perished under the Nazis.

Holocaust survivors refrained from such a search for property for
years and left the matter for the state to handle, she noted.
Avital said that on the official level, bureaucratic inertia had
prevented effective action to trace and return the unclaimed
assets. "There was a lot of neglect and lack of sensitivity," she
said.

In a related development, an international panel investigating
insurance policies held by Holocaust victims announced last April
that it had the names of 19,000 people who were owed money.

For decades the issue of the

[CTRL] CHB: Lawsuit Challenges Clinton's National Monument Legacy


Capitol Hill Blue

Lawsuit Challenges Clinton's National Monument Legacy

Thursday, August 31, 2000

By MICHAEL DOYLE

WASHINGTON -- President Clinton's legacy of creating sprawling
new national monuments, like the one in California's Sequoia
National Forest, is now being challenged on constitutional
grounds.

Opponents of the new monuments are suing Clinton in federal court
in Washington for what they say is his unconstitutionally
ambitious use of the 1906 Antiquities Act. Clinton has used the
law this year to create the 328,000-acre Giant Sequoia National
Monument, the 195,000-acre Hanford Reach National Monument in
Washington and others.

"The Antiquities Act was written for antiquities," William Perry
Pendley, president of the Denver-based Mountain States Legal
Foundation, said Thursday. "It was not written to set aside vast
expanses of territory because it's pretty or has old trees."

A conservative group that's historically received funding from
companies including Texaco, Exxon, Chevron and the Coors
Foundation, the Mountain States Legal Foundation has previously
challenged other monument designations by Clinton.

All told, Clinton has used the unilateral powers provided by the
1906 law to designate 3.7 million acres as national monuments.
With about five months left in his presidency, this is more than
any of his predecessors except President Jimmy Carter.

"All of them are worthy of protection," Council on Environmental
Quality spokeswoman Mary Hanley said Thursday, adding that "we
certainly don't agree" with the thrust of the newly filed suit.

The lawsuit specifically targets the Hanford monument and three
others established this year in Arizona, Oregon and Colorado. The
Giant Sequoia monument established in April is not included in
the lawsuit, but San Joaquin Valley opponents of the new monument
are closely tracking the latest legal arguments.

"We're going to see how that flies," said Fresno resident Tom
Barile, chairman of a coalition that's fought the Giant Sequoia
monument. "If it doesn't work, then we'll try something else."

Barile's group, the Sierra Nevada Access, Multiple-Use and
Stewardship Coalition, now claims about 82 organizations as
members. Barile said the group's possible own legal challenge to
the Giant Sequoia monument might develop over the next several
months, based on grounds similar to those included in the new
lawsuit.

Barile said he is also still waiting for government agencies to
respond to Freedom of Information Act (FOIA) requests for
documents related to the Giant Sequoia monument. The Council on
Environmental Quality has likewise not yet provided documents in
response to a FOIA request filed by the Bee last March.

So far, no legal challenge - or, for the most part, legislative
challenge - has succeeded against the 100-plus national monuments
created under the 1906 law. The simply worded law authorizes
presidents, acting without congressional approval, to protect
"objects of historic or scientific interest" by designating
national monuments "which in all cases shall be confined to the
smallest area compatible with ... proper care and management of
the objects to be protected."

The Mountain States Legal Foundation contends Clinton exceeded
his constitutional authority by going far beyond this "smallest
area" language in creating large monuments. The core legal
question is: When Congress uses such vague words, where does the
president's discretion end?

A 1920 Supreme Court decision involving the Grand Canyon has
persuaded officials since that the president enjoys great leeway
in determining a monument's size. Pendley, though, contends
Congress has subsequently clarified that a president's
environmental actions including Antiquities Act declarations must
be more tightly constrained.

© 2000 Scripps-McClatchy Western Service


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[CTRL] AP: Robert Ray Responds to Critics


Robert Ray Responds to Critics

Sep 2, 2000 1:17 AM


WASHINGTON (AP) - Independent Counsel Robert Ray says critics are
misconstruing his plan to divulge conclusions of the Whitewater
investigation just weeks before voters decide whether to elect
Hillary Rodham Clinton to the Senate.

Sen. Carl Levin, D-Mich., and several legal experts said the
Independent Counsel statute under which Ray was appointed limits
him to filing his soon-to-be-completed report with a federal
appeals court, which wouldn't release it until well after
Election Day.

The criticism came after Ray told The New York Times he would
issue a statement of his findings and conclusions in the
Whitewater probe a few weeks before New York voters go to the
polls.

Ray ``is defying the law,'' Levin declared.

``Our plan to make a public statement is not shocking,'' Ray said
in a statement. ``This office is not releasing a final report or
a portion of a final report without court approval.''

Ray added that the U.S. Attorney's manual expressly authorizes
public statements regarding matters that have ``already received
substantial publicity.''

But Levin said Ray does not have the authority to release
conclusions and that ``Congress was very clear about this
precisely to avoid an independent counsel releasing or appearing
to release a report for political purposes.''

Customarily, when other independent counsels filed final reports
under seal with a special division of the U.S. Court of Appeals,
they issued terse statements, devoid of criticism, announcing an
end to their investigations.

``I'm surprised'' by what Ray is planning and ``I think Carl
Levin is exactly right,'' said George Washington University law
professor Stephen Saltzburg. He said it's the court that makes a
judgment on what to release.

Saltzburg is a former Iran-Contra prosecutor who was a deputy
assistant attorney general for the Justice Department's criminal
division in the Reagan and Bush administrations.

``If you issue a statement at the same time that you file a
report under seal, you are absolutely running roughshod over the
spirit'' of the requirement that the report be kept confidential,
said Larry Barcella, a former federal prosecutor who has
represented Republicans and Democrats in Independent Counsel
probes.

Georgetown University law professor Paul Rothstein said, ``I
think it is wise'' for an Independent Counsel ``to make some kind
of statement if it is not accusatory in nature,'' but it's
``another kettle of fish if it's going to be accusatory in any
sense. Sometimes these final reports say we're not prosecuting,
but we think there's a lot of wrongdoing.''

Ray took Mrs. Clinton and the White House to task in a three-page
news release in June announcing the end of his investigation into
the firings of White House travel office employees.

Ray accused the White House of ``substantial resistance'' to
providing ``relevant evidence'' to his investigators and said
there was ``substantial evidence'' Mrs. Clinton played a role in
the travel office firings.

That conflicted with the first lady's sworn statements that she
``had no role'' in the decision.


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[CTRL] WND: Selling out justice


September 2, 2000

COMING SUNDAY

Selling out justice

Geoff Metcalf interviews Clinton impeachment prosecutor David
Schippers

© 2000 WorldNetDaily.com



A lifelong Democrat who voted for Clinton both times, attorney
David Schippers was chosen to prosecute President Clinton during
the congressional impeachment process. Though the former Chicago
prosecutor thought he had seen everything -- treachery, double
crosses, sellouts -- what Schippers saw behind the scenes during
the impeachment beat them all. What he witnessed --from both
sides of the aisle -- compelled him to write "Sellout: The Inside
Story of President Clinton's Impeachment," available at
WorldNetDaily's online store.

In Sunday's edition of WorldNetDaily, staff writer and talk show
host Geoff Metcalf interviews Schippers about his explosive book.

From Sunday's interview ...

David Schippers: The Republican leadership in the Senate cut our
legs off right from the beginning. We fully expected to have
ourselves at least some kind of a trial, an opportunity to put on
our witnesses, an opportunity to show our evidence, not only for
the Senate, but for the American people. But right from the
beginning, there was just no way they could do it.

Q: Who was the GOP senator who said, "You're not going to dump
this garbage on us"?

A: That was Trent Lott, right after the House had impeached the
president on two counts. It was the first meeting with the
Republican majority, with the majority leader. It was Trent Lott
himself who was to decide what the procedures would be. The House
managers and I were higher than a kite. We thought, this is
great; we are going to be meeting with the majority leader. He's
our friend. We'll find out what the procedures are, how much time
we'll have to put on our case. And then, when that line came out,
it was like someone had hit everybody in the face with a brick.

Q: You say one senator said, "I don't care if you can prove that
[Clinton] raped a woman and then stood up and shot her dead ..."

A: "... you are not going to get 67 votes." That was Sen. Stevens
from Alaska. My assistant and I were both sitting on the couch at
the back of the room and, when that came out, I looked at him and
he just looked at me as if to say, "Are we really hearing this?"

Read Geoff Metcalf's riveting interview with David Schippers in
Sunday's WorldNetDaily.com


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Re: [CTRL] THE NADER-BASHING BEGINS

2000-09-03 Thread Prudence L. Kuhn


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 It seems that Mr. Nader's activism was OK when it was "practical"
 and "moderate." But to Mr. Krugman's horror, Mr. Nader no longer
 just warns us about one defective car, one defective drug, one
 defective medical practice at a time. He dares ask aloud, "Who's
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[CTRL] Chelsea risks all for taste of the limelight


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THE first sighting of the new Chelsea Clinton was three months ago during a
state visit to Washington by Morocco's King Mohammed VI. Accompanying her
father from the west wing of the White House, she strode confidently down the
red carpet and placed a hand on the back of Princess Lalla, gently guiding
the king's sister towards Madeleine Albright, the secretary of state.
It was the first time the 20-year-old Stanford University student had stood
in for her mother, Hillary, at an official function.

She displayed all the charm of a skilled hostess, mingling with officials and
discussing bilateral relations with the ease of a foreign policy veteran.

Chelsea clearly enjoyed the experience. After a series of public appearances
at her father's side, however, her prominent role as inseparable presidential
escort is beginning to prompt questions in Washington about the level of her
security clearance and access to confidential information.

"She's clearly a bright, well-adjusted young woman," said one Republican
consultant last week. "But she seems to be getting far more access than most
first daughters."

Chelsea has done much more than merely deliberate the burning issues of
American foreign policy: she has been present for every big decision the
president has made since June.

Last Wednesday, for example, she chatted amiably to Albright and Sandy
Berger, the national security adviser, as part of a small team accompanying
Clinton on a one-day visit to Cartagena to push America's $1.3 billion
anti-drugs package to Colombia.

The previous week she huddled with Berger and other top aides during the
presidential visit to Nigeria. Reports, strenuously denied by an embarrassed
White House, even had her playing an active role in American efforts to stop
fighting between the Tutsi-dominated government and Hutu rebels in Burundi.
During the long flight to Africa she was said to have helped craft her
father's speech to a joint session of the Nigerian assembly.

Only a month earlier, Israeli officials reportedly complained of impropriety
during the critical, top-secret Middle East peace talks at Camp David when
Chelsea was said to have monopolised dinner conversation with Ehud Barak, the
Israeli leader.

There is more to come. Chelsea is expected to represent her father at the
Olympic Games in Sydney and will probably accompany him on a trip to Vietnam
before the end of his presidency.

Since 1992, when America first encountered the gawky 12-year-old with wild
curls and unflattering braces, Chelsea has remained a visible but remote
figure. Appearing only in times of crisis - she acted as public glue between
her parents during the Monica Lewinsky affair - or to support her father's
campaigns for the presidency, her privacy has been zealously guarded.

The White House - which strenuously denies that Chelsea plays any part in
policy-making - says her decision to abandon university for a term to assist
her mother's campaign and take a front seat during the last days of her
father's tenure, came earlier this year. "She woke up one day and realised,
'I'm missing all this,' " said one aide last week.

It is thought to have coincided with another new resolve; her apparent
intention to follow in her father's footsteps to Oxford and study history and
politics as a Rhodes scholar next year.

In between forays into foreign affairs and her future academic career,
Chelsea is devoting her efforts to her mother's beleaguered Senate campaign
against Rick Lazio, her Republican opponent. Armed with a wardrobe of
severely tailored suits, pink nail varnish and scarlet lipstick, she is
already proving to be a formidable weapon in her mother's arsenal.

Democrats hope Chelsea, who is popular among white suburban housewives
otherwise unexcited by her mother's candidacy, will play a more prominent
role as the November election approaches.

"She's not going to overexpose herself and have criticism that her parents
are exploiting her," said Letitia Baldrige, a former White House social
secretary. "But her appearance can be terribly helpful to Hillary. It warms
her up in the public eye."

If Chelsea takes more than a supporting role in her mother's campaign, or
spends too much time taking notes in the Oval Office, she is likely to become
a fair target for criticism. Thus far, the most notable assault against the
first daughter has been a report that Chelsea, once a health-conscious ballet
fanatic, was seen smoking a cigarette in a Washington restaurant.

"Anybody who attacks Chelsea is a fool," said Dane Strother, a Democratic
political consultant. "It's a fundamental law: you don't attack someone's
children, however old they are."

As students of American politics are only too aware, however, the Clintons
have broken every rule in the book; their opponents may decide to do the
same.


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Re: [CTRL] Buckley backs off

2000-09-03 Thread flw


What a gigantic moron you are Cliff if your understanding of the NWO
leads you to believe that William F. Buckley is a communist.
You don't have a clue pal.
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It is childish to think there is any difference between the Corporate
Capitalist Elite and the Party Elite.
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Selling out justice
Geoff Metcalf interviews Clinton
impeachment prosecutor David Schippers

--
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By Geoff Metcalf
© 2000 WorldNetDaily.com

A lifelong Democrat who voted for Clinton both times, attorney David
Schippers was chosen to prosecute President Clinton during the congressional
impeachment process. Though the former Chicago prosecutor thought he had seen
everything -- treachery, double crosses, sellouts -- what Schippers saw
behind the scenes during the impeachment beat them all. What he witnessed
--from both sides of the aisle -- compelled him to write "Sellout: The Inside
Story of President Clinton's Impeachment," available at WorldNetDaily's
online store.
WorldNetDaily staff writer and talk show host Geoff Metcalf recently
interviewed Schippers about his explosive new book.

Metcalf's radio show can be heard on TalkNetDaily weekdays from 7 p.m. to 10
p.m. Eastern time.




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Question: I thought I knew everything bad that went on in the impeachment. I
knew it was a lot more form than substance, but it had to be beyond
frustrating for you.

Answer: It was. It was really terrible. I was a citizen coming out of Chicago
who really had no political experience whatsoever, but I happened to find
myself right in the middle of what they were doing, just kind of watching how
the Senate and House of Representatives operates when nobody is looking.

Q: This really wasn't a partisan thing, one way or the other. Far from being
a witch-hunt by the Republicans, it was more of a GOP soft-pedaled dog and
pony show.

A: The Republican leadership in the Senate cut our legs off right from the
beginning. We fully expected to have ourselves at least some kind of a trial,
an opportunity to put on our witnesses, an opportunity to show our evidence,
not only for the Senate, but for the American people. But, right from the
beginning, there was just no way they could do it.

Q: Who was the GOP senator who said, "You're not going to dump this garbage
on us"? I thought that was their job?

A: That was Trent Lott, right after the House had impeached the president on
two counts. It was the first meeting with the Republican majority, with the
majority leader. It was Trent Lott himself who was to decide what the
procedures would be. The House managers and I were higher than a kite. We
thought: this is great; we are going to be meeting with the majority leader.
He's our friend. We'll find out what the procedures are, how much time we'll
have to put on our case. And then when that line came out, it was like
someone had hit everybody in the face with a brick.

Q: You say one senator said, "I don't care if you can prove that [Clinton]
raped a woman and then stood up and shot her dead ..."

A: "... you are not going to get 67 votes." That was Sen. Stevens from
Alaska. My assistant and I were both sitting on the couch at the back of the
room and, when that came out, I looked at him and he just looked at me as if
to say, "Are we really hearing this?" This was either the next day or two
days after they all took that oath "to do equal and impartial justice."

Q: There was such an abundance of damning, compelling evidence against him,
beyond the abuse of power under the color of authority and perjury. How many
people just didn't even want to look at, say, the Juanita Broaddrick
evidence?

A: The Juanita Broaddrick evidence was a little bit different because we had
no intention of putting that in as part of the impeachment evidence. The
evidence we had seen so far had shown that she was in no way influenced by
the White House to lie. So that was off the table in the Senate. But there
was all kinds of other evidence -- all kinds of stuff showing a massive
conspiracy to obstruct justice and to use any means necessary to do so.

I'll tell you what happened. In the House -- let's start with the committee
itself: of the 16 Democratic members of the House Judiciary Committee whose
job it was to determine whether or not there was sufficient evidence to have
an inquiry -- and remember, all 16 voted against the inquiry -- five never
went near the evidence. Five never looked at one word of evidence. In the
House itself, we had about 65 members come over -- and they were all members
of the Republican majority. In the Senate -- nobody! Not one senator. Not one
staffer.

We had one Republican senator say, "Why should we be wasting our time reading
this stuff when you've already read it?" Well, hey there, how about if you're
a juror?

Q: It is also compounded because they didn't allow you to submit any
evidence.

A: That's right! They didn't allow us to put any evidence in. And then Sen.
Specter comes out and votes, "Not proved." Well how the heck are you going to
prove a case if they're not going to let

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law; Do not fear the reproach of man, neither be dismayed at their
revilings." (Isaiah 51.7)

HIGHLIGHTS OF THIS WEEK:

 THREE SOLDIERS KILLED IN BOTCHED ARREST
 TERRORIST 'SENTENCED' BY PLO, HAILED AS A HERO
 OTHER TERRORIST ACTS THWARTED
 AN IRAQI SCUD ALERT?
 US TO RECEIVE EXPORT CONTROLS ON ISRAELI WEAPONS
 MEETINGS IN NEW YORK THIS WEEK
 WHO'S SOVEREIGNTY, WHO'S AUTHORITY?
 MAJORITY OF MKS SIGN ON BARAK-BLOCKING BILL
 PM MOVING AHEAD WITH NEW SECULAR REFORMS
 CNN'S BIAS TOWARD ISRAEL
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 THIS WEEK IN JEWISH HISTORY
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THREE SOLDIERS KILLED IN BOTCHED ARREST: In what was described by Israel's
top general as a "serious operational blunder," three IDF (Israel Defense
Force) soldiers with the special Duvdevan anti-terrorist unit were killed
by suspected "friendly fire" late Saturday night (26 August) in a fumbled
attempt to capture Israel's most wanted Hamas terrorist, Mahmoud Abu
Hanoud, in his home village near Shechem. Abu Hanoud, a fugitive from
justice for several years, is charged with masterminding Hamas suicide
bombings at the crowded Mahane Yehuda market and popular Ben Yehuda
pedestrian mall in Jerusalem in the summer of 1997, which killed 21 and
wounded dozens more, as well as other terrorist attacks. Israeli security
learned that he had returned to his home village of Atzira Shamali near
Shechem recently, and tracked him down at the home of fellow Hamas member
Nidal Daglas. About 100 elite Israeli troops surrounded the house at about
10:00 p.m. Saturday evening, but Abu Hanoud and Daglas detected their
movements and struck first, throwing a grenade and firing at the Israeli
units. In the ensuing confusion, Israeli soldiers apparently mistook their
own forces assigned to a nearby rooftop as terrorists and opened fire on
them, killing three IDF troops. Although he took two bullets in the
shoulder and back, Abu Hanoud managed to slip away in the darkness,
wounded and bleeding. Evading helicopters with search lights and ground
units, he made it through heavy brush to a Palestinian checkpoint near
Shechem, where he surrendered to the PLO before dawn Sunday. Abu Hanoud
later was treated at a Shechem hospital under heavy guard. Daglas was
wounded and captured by the IDF, and his home was swiftly leveled, after
the army reportedly found four tons of chemicals used in the manufacture
of bombs there. Israeli security forces also arrested four men from the
same village, a hotbed of Hamas activists and still under Israeli security
control. Meanwhile a fourth Duvdevan soldier was moderately wounded by
other IDF soldiers while in hot pursuit of Abu Hanoud.

IDF Chief of Staff Lt-Gen Shaul Mofaz on Thursday canceled a planned
afternoon press conference during which he was to announce the findings of
the inquiry. Mofaz presented the report to Prime Minister/Defense Minister
Ehud Barak, as well as to the parents of the soldiers who were killed.
Mofaz called upon OC Central Command and the investigators to respond to
several points that he felt needed additional investigation and
clarification, thereby deciding to delay his press conference until the
inquiry was complete. Mofaz did state with certainty at this point that
the three combatants of the elite Duvdevan unit were killed by mistaken
fire, and a fourth soldier was seriously wounded.

TERRORIST 'SENTENCED' BY PLO, HAILED AS A HERO: Abu Hanoud was sentenced
to 12 years imprisonment on Friday after a PLO court in Gaza found him
guilty of "forming military cells and arming them". During the trial the
judge told Abu Hanoud the court did not want to try him for acts "against
the other side". The PLO has a "revolving door" policy for most of the
terrorists it has sentenced, later releasing them usually to serve in the
PLO security forces. Although Barak has stated that he will 'eventually'
ask for Abu Hanoud to be turned over to Israeli authorities, the PLO has
said it has no intentions of doing so. Hamas strongly criticized the
sentencing and said it did not recognize the court's authority. Hamas
official Ismail Abu Shanab told AFP that Arafat had made a "serious
mistake" and that Abu Hanoud is a "national hero and symbol for all
Palestinians," adding that it was "his judges who should be sentenced."
The spokesman for Hamas abroad, Ibrahim Ghosheh, also condemned the
court's verdict in a telephone call to AFP

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New's Letter -- news and opinion
from the desk of Daniel D. New,
Project Manager of the
Michael New Action Fund

Opinions here are those of Daniel New, and most of his readers.  Some may
disagree,
which is their Constitutional right.  Polite disagreement is welcome, while
rude
disagreement will be ignored.)




Dear Team,

We think daily about the huge number of patriotic Americans out there who are
watching, waiting for justice in the case of Army Specialist Michael New.
Some
learned of the case a few weeks ago, but many of you have been waiting,
praying,
writing letters and making phone calls since the court-martial of January,
1996.
 Some have been with us even longer than that.

If there is no other theme that this case emphasizes, regardless of how a
person
feels about whether Mike was right or not, it is this:

Justice delayed is justice denied!

The Court of Appeals of the Armed Forces (CAAF) has ended its session of
hearing
oral arguments for the year 2000, and will be releasing its final decisions
within
the next few weeks.  From February 4 to September 4 is seven months.  Over
270
days to rule on a decision that could have been ruled on in 7 days.  And
frankly,
their decision, either way, is of little interest to us.  What is of interest
is that they must rule!  The delays appear to all to be a politically
motivated
cover-up to protect the current administration -- a charge that ought to make
them cringe, but appears to not concern them.

If we win in this court, we'll be happy to announce to the world that the
court-martial
was nothing less than a Kangaroo Court.  But all a win will accomplish is to
prove that the original court-martial was flawed because the judge did not
allow
a defendent to present evidence to defend himself.  Looks pretty open and
shut
to most observers, and I predict that we will win at this level.  The problem
with this scenario is that the Army then has to decide what to do next, and
they
have a long list of options.  It almost doesn't matter what they do, you can
bet they will continue to delay justice and buy time for the dishonorable
occupant
of the White House.  The price tag on this continued defense is difficult to
ascertain, but no doubt exceed $100,000.

If we lose at this court, we'll be happy to announce that now the "military
remedy"
has been virtually exhausted and that we will be filing a petition for
certiorari
with the Supreme Court, asking them to review the case.  (They don't have to
accept it.)  The price tag on this scenario has been estimated at $75,000 by
our very conservative lead attorney and Constitutional scholar, Dr. Herb
Titus.
 Did you ever go to the Supreme Court on anything?  If you have, you will
know
that his estimate is about 33% the going rate.  That's because he works for a
fraction of the price of big-name lawyers, and some of his work and of others
on the Team is pro bono.

The point here is that we are going to have to plan to raise more money for
the
next round, and perhaps we should thank the system for going so slow -- it
has
made it possible for us to keep the pace by having the funds come in as we
need
them.  If they had acted quickly, they would have broken us.  But by delaying
justice, they also gave you time to send your $5 and $20 and $50.  We will
never
be able to adequately thank all those who have made this possible, but we do
thank God for you daily.

Contributions may be sent directly or indirectly to us.  The official address
of the fund raising company that we employ is in Fairfax, Virginia, as many
of
you have asked if that address is really us.  It is, but you may also send
directly
to us by making cheques to:  Michael New Action Fund and sending them to the
address below.

Michael New Action Fund
P.O. Box 100
Iredell, Texas 76649

We've done our best to keep our appeals for funds to a minimum on the
internet,
but also think it appropriate that we let you know when there is a need.
Well,
there is going to be a need within less than a month, one way or the other.

If CAAF does not release a decision within three weeks, we are going to mount
a letter-writing campaign using the theme, "Jusice delayed is Justice
denied."
 This will be the second time we have done this, and it appears to have
worked
the last time.  The Army Court of Criminal Appeals released the case just
days
after we announced the incoming results of our petition drive to Speaker
Dennis
Hastert.  It appears that publicity does more than anything else to shake the
system loose.  Sad, but true.

In the meantime, we ask each of you to pay close attention to what comes out
of the United Nations Millenium Summit in New York City this coming week.
The
formal declarations for stiffening up the imposition of global taxation,
global
court systems, and global enforcement through a one world army are going to
make
tremendous advancements this

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   On 12 Jan, Ms. Cindy Williams wrote a piece for the
   WashingtonTimes denouncing the pay raise(s) coming service
   members way this year, citing that the stated 13% wage gap was
   bogus.

   A young airman from Hill AFB responds to her article below.  He
   ought to get a bonus for this.

   Ms. Williams:

   I just had the pleasure of reading your column of 12 Jan 00,
   "Our GIs Earn Enough," and I am a bit confused. Frankly, I'm
   wondering where this vaunted overpayment is going, because as
   far as I can tell, it disappears every month between DFAS (The
   Defense Finance and Accounting Service) and my bank account.

   Checking my latest leave and earnings statement (LES), I see
   that I make $1,117.80, before taxes.  After taxes, I take home
   $874.20.

   When I run that through Windows Calculator, I come up with an
   annual salary of $13,413.60 before taxes, and $10,490.40 after.

   I work in the Air Force Network Control Center (AFNCC), where I
   am part of the team responsible for the administration of a
   25,000 host computer network.  I am involved with infrastructure
   segement, specifically with Cisco Systems equipment.

   A quick check of http://www.monster.com under jobs for Network
   Technicians in the Washington, D.C. area reveals a position in
   my career field, requiring three years experience with my job.
   Amazingly, this job does NOT pay $13,413.60 a year, nor does it
   pay less than this. No, this job is being offered at $70,000 to
   $80,000 per annum.  I'm sure you can draw the obvious
   conclusions.

   Also, you tout increases to Basic Allowance for Housing and
   Basic Allowance for Sustenance (housing and food allowances,
   respectively) as being a further boon to an
   already-overcompensated force. Again, I'm curious as to where
   this money has gone, as BAH and BAS were both slashed 15% in the
   Hill AFB area effective in January 00. Given the tenor of your
   column, I would assume that you have never had the pleasure of
   serving your country in her armed forces.

   Before you take it upon yourself to once more castigate
   congressional and DOD leadership for attempting to get the
   families in the military's lowest pay brackets off AFDC, WIC,
   and food stamps, I suggest that you join a group of deploying
   soldiers headed for Saudi.  I leave the choice of service branch
   up to you.

   Whatever choice you make, though, opt for the six-month
   rotation: It will guarantee you the longest possible time away
   from your family and friends, thus give you the full "deployment
   experience."

   As your group prepares to board the plane, make sure to note the
   spouses and children who are saying goodbye to their loved ones.
   Also take care to note that several families are still unsure of
   how they'll be able to make ends meet while the primary
   breadwinner is gone.  Obviously, they've been squandering the
   vast piles of cash the DoD has been giving them.

   Try to deploy over a major holiday; Christmas and Thanksgiving
   are perennial favorites.  And when you're actually over there,
   sitting in a DFP (Defensive Fire Position, the modern-day
   foxhole), shivering against the cold desert night, and the
   flight sergeant tells you that there aren't enough people on
   shift to relieve you for chow, remember this: Trade whatever MRE
   you manage to get for the tuna noodle casserole or cheese
   tortellini, and add Tabasco to everything.

   Talk to your loved ones as often as you are permitted; it won't
   nearly be long enough or often enough, but take what you can get
   and be thankful for it.

   You may have picked up on the fact that I disagree with most of
   the points you present in your op-ed piece. But, to borrow from
   Voltaire, I will  defend to the death your right to say it.

   You see, I am an American fighting man, a guarantor of your
   First Amendment rights and every other right you cherish.  On a
   daily basis, my brother and sister soldiers worldwide ensure
   that you and people like you can thumb your collective nose at
   us, all on a salary that is nothing short of pitiful and under
   conditions that would make most people cringe.

   We hemorrhage our best and brightest into the private sector
   because we can't offer the stability and pay of civilian
   companies.

   And you, Ms. Williams, have the gall to say that we make more
   than we deserve?  Rubbish.

   A1C Michael Bragg
   Hill AFB AFNCC

   _

   If Airman Bragg makes $10, 490.00 per
   year (after

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Paul Harvey's comment on Columbine High shootings:

How can we blame it all on guns?

For the life of me, I can't understand what could have gone wrong in
Littleton, CO. If only the parents had kept their children away from the
guns, we wouldn't have had such a tragedy.

Yeah, it must have been the guns. It couldn't have been because half our
children are being raised in broken homes. It couldn't have been because our
children get to spend an average of 30 seconds in meaningful conversation
with their parents each day. After all, we give our children quality time.

It couldn't have been because we treat our children as pets and our pets as
children.

It couldn't have been because we place our children in day care centers where
they learn their socialization skills among their peers under the law of the
jungle while employees who have no vested interest in the children look on
and make sure that no blood is spilled.

It couldn't have been because we allow our children to watch, on the average,
seven hours of television a day filled with the glorification of sex and
violence that isn't fit for adult consumption.

It couldn't have been because we allow our children to enter into virtual
worlds in which, to win the game, one must kill as many opponents as possible
in the most sadistic way possible.

It couldn't have been because we have sterilized and contracepted our
families down to sizes so small that the children we do have are so spoiled
with material things that they come to equate the receiving of the material
with love.

It couldn't have been because our children, who historically have been seen
as a blessing from God, are now being viewed as either a mistake created when
contraception fails or inconveniences that parents try to raise in their
spare time.

It couldn't have been because we give two-year prison sentences to teenagers
who kill their newborns.

It couldn't have been because our school systems teach the children that they
are nothing but glorified apes who have evolutionized out of some primordial
soup of mud by teaching evolution as fact and by handing out condoms as if
they were candy.

It couldn't have been because we teach our children that there are no laws of
morality that transcend us, that everything is relative and that actions
don't have consequences. What the heck, the president gets away with it.

Nah, it must have been the guns.

- Paul Harvey



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Well Bill, little Chelsie may have all the charm of a White House
Hostess, but her mother has all the charm and grace of the White House
Madam..

This was in a sense as Clinton said, the only home Chelsie ever really
had.   Yet with all this cute charm and grace, and the Call Me Madam
routines..I still remember this sweet little girl and her parents
referring to their Secret Service as pigs..the ones who would
someday maybe stand between them and a bullet from unfriendly fire.

These tenants in our White House - these transients be they good or bad,
all leave a mark.  Chelsie is like her mother - but seems to be so loyal
to her poor, maligned, misguided missile of a father.

Wonder what the new kid on the block will be like when the time comes,
if we ever get rid of that bunch.

And no more Bates Motel in the White House.for Hill and Bill made it
a house of horors at times but all in all, did he really do that good of
a job in office when well this is September, and the scales - is he
being weighted and found wanting,  as September goes to November, where
there is always an archer in the wings ready to take deadly aim - but
thank heavens for the ballot?

What a revolution we could have if everybody voted in the best interests
of their country, for I have long my objectivity.

I want Andy Griffith for president.

Times are a changing, and it is back to the 60's.

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From: The Jamaican Gleaner
Aug 24, 1999

Former US envoys to Jamaica  an update
Lacy Wright 
(Lacy Wright was Deputy Chief of Mission at the US Embassy in Kingston and
acted as Ambassador 1993-1994.)

[...]

Youthful emissary 

Although Washington has sent Jamaica no women Ambassadors, Barbados has seen
two. The most recent was Jeanette Hyde. The other was Sally Shelton, who was
a youthful US emissary to Bridgetown under President Jimmy Carter
(1979-1981). In the 1980s, she married former CIA Director Bill Colby, whose
untimely death in 1996 deprived the United States of a respected elder in
foreign policy. Today, Sally Shelton Colby is with our Agency for
International Development (AID), where she is Assistant Administrator for
Global Affairs, arguably the most exciting perch in the world's largest
national development agency. Needless to say, she travels widely.

[CTRL] Fwd: THE SCOOP -- what happened

2000-09-03 Thread Kris Millegan






The Scoop - http://www.bobharris.com/








Hi folks --

This isn't an article, but an explanation of where I disappeared to for
the last few weeks, and where I might be disappearing to for a while to
come.

___

First, thanks to the dozens of you who wrote letters of concern for my
welfare.  No, the LAPD didn't haul me away, and I never did catch a rubber
bullet.  Not that I mind.

I also appreciate the many kind notes regarding my convention coverage.
Thank you very much for those.

What happened was this: I resigned my gig as morning host for Working
Assets' RadioForChange.com.  They're the folks who got me convention
credentials.  The end of my print coverage was the result of my decision
to end that relationship, and, frankly, the attendant disillusionment with
what I was doing.

(I didn't just walk and leave them with dead air, incidentally.  I
finished out that week and the one following, interviewing all the guests
that had been booked while doing the shows from home.  I understand
they're still airing repeats of my program until they find a replacement.)

I thought long and hard about whether or not I should make my reasons for
resigning fully public.  On reflection, I choose not to.  Please don't
write and ask.  I won't go into details.

I still consider the stated goals of KWAB and Working Assets to be
worthwhile, and it remains my earnest hope that they will eventually be
fulfilled.  My concerns have been voiced within the company in every
appropriate fashion, and I see no benefit in airing them further.

That said, my reasons for resigning could not have been more obvious or
unavoidable, and while I wish things might have worked out differently, I
am certain that I did the right thing.

___

There's a saying that when one door closes, another one opens.

I made my decision to quit Working Assets Broadcasting while driving to a
screening of Steal This Movie, the most excellent Abbie Hoffman biopic.
Less than two hours after making my decision, I ran into the Program
Director for KPFK, Pacifica Radio in Los Angeles.  Their morning slot is
currently in flux, and we exchanged business cards.

Whether or not that relationship develops further -- and I'm not exactly
eager to keep getting up at 5 am -- the universe certainly seemed to be
encouraging me to consider my options.

___

Other doors are indeed opening.  My subversive little game show, Twisted,
is being shepherded through the development process by people who know
what they're doing.  The first phase is an Internet version, debuting soon
for a 10-episode run on a major website which specializes in selling
projects through to television.  As host, co-creator, and head writer, a
pending TV deal would be a major opportunity.

This is also fun: my friend Dan Perkins (aka Tom Tomorrow), creator of
This Modern World -- my favorite political comic strip -- is now doing an
animated version for a similar Internet/TV development model.  I'm doing
the voice of Sparky, the ascerbic little penguin in wraparound sunglasses.

There's other stuff going on, but here's the point:

I realize that part of considering my options includes reconsidering how
much of my life I want to spend on these columns.  I'm not sure how
frequently I'll continue to write.  While I enjoy the process, and I'm
glad you guys mostly like the results, there are only 24 hours in a day,
and doing these means not doing a lot of other things.

I may go back to adapting radio commentaries into columns every two weeks;
more likely, I may want to take a sabbatical for a few months or longer.
I'll probably get back to a regular column before long -- I wouldn't do
something for seven years if I didn't mostly enjoy it, honest -- but I
have a screenplays burning a hole in my brain, there's music in my head
that needs to get out, and so on.  It's time for some of that to happen.

There have also been some personal developments (mostly good ones, a few
more difficult) that require my attention.  Again.  Those, of course, are
personal.  On a professional level, though, what happened with Working
Assets left me feeling burned out and disillusioned with the political
commenting deal, and there are just too many other things calling me right
now.  (Heck, maybe I'll even update my website!)  Anyhow, taking some time
off to pursue other things is really attractive right now.

So if you don't receive anything for a while, that's the deal.  Thanks for
understanding.

___

One last note as to the convention coverage itself: my intention was
always to write approximately equal amounts of coverage of both major
political conventions; I also intended to write separate installments
covering both the Green and Reform party conventions, which were at least
as interesting and full of amusing absurdities.

I'm still delighted by the lunatic button I picked up from the
Buchananites calling for the military

Re: [CTRL] Give up guns, or go to war? What do you think?


Well Involuntary cannot match that for a vivid picture; and I say this
for the mob, at least they are honest about it.

The hirelings always go to jail for the rich.   I had a relative who was
a banker and this old man in the bank stole a lot of money.he went
to jail for him, came out, was restored to his position for everyone
knew him to be an honest man and that guy who owned the bank, the big
crook - but he was old and Forrest always liked the guy.

One thing, sometimes it takes a crook to catch a crook - maybe that old
like by hook or crook, we get them all in the end for I still believe in
the ballot box and not the - well praise the Lord, but hang on to your
ammunition.

Now, I am going outside and sit in my forrest be it a small forest...my
roses are in a third bloom, and peace and quiet for my kid is gone and
my dog asleep - and I am knocking the books on this Manson.

This Manson directed the hit on Gerald Ford.referred to this one
little killer he contnrolled as "The Queen of the South"..they
dropped that bible code all over the place and how did a guy like Manson
get control over these kids?   Drugs - like Assassins of Old - this is
how it is done - hypnotic drugs and I think this was Clinton's fatal
flaw.boy give him a snort and he is up and at em.

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[CTRL] Dedon Kamathi audio now up

2000-09-03 Thread Kris Millegan


from:
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Click Here: A HREF="http://www.cia-drugs.com/symposium/index.html"CIA Drug
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Real audio files at site.

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Re: [CTRL] Buckley backs off

2000-09-03 Thread Nurev Ind Research


flw wrote:

 What a gigantic moron you are Cliff if your understanding of the NWO
 leads you to believe that William F. Buckley is a communist.
 You don't have a clue pal.
 Joshua2

 It is childish to think there is any difference between the Corporate
 Capitalist Elite and the Party Elite.
 flw

There is a huge difference. The difference is in the systems the elites
use to get power and wealth.

Buckley is a Capitalist elitist. Communism is his nemesis. Stalin was
a Communist elitist. Capitalism was his nemesis. Their allegiance to
their systems is due to the fact that they are able to extract power
and wealth through the systems they operate in.

What's the same, is their elitism.

The New World Order is Capitalist driven. Let's get this straight. It's
purpose is to make the world and its nation states easily accessible to
capitalist investors and capitalist corporate exploiters of everyone's
natural resources.

If anyone thinks this a Commie plot they are idiots or liars.

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[CTRL] Fwd: News-media confirmed as possible CIA spies (disinfo artists)

2000-09-03 Thread K


http://mprofaca.cro.net/ciapress1.html (much more onsite)

WASHINGTON (AP) - Disclosure that the CIA retains authority to
recruit U.S. journalists for covert operations is drawing protests
from the news media and demands that the practice be banned. "It
puts our people in jeopardy," says Tom Johnson, president of CNN.
CIA Director John Deutch acknowledged last week that he has the
right to waive 1977 rules that forbid assigning spies disguised as
reporters, or enlisting reporters to serve as spies. Deutch
commented after The Washington Post quoted an unidentified
intelligence official as saying the CIA occasionally has waived the
rules, which also apply to religious and Peace Corps workers.
Deutch would not confirm the newspaper report, but he was likely
to be asked about the practice today while appearing before the
Senate Intelligence Committee.


--
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Of all the forms of murder, none is more
monstrous than that committed by a state
against its own citizens . . .
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Re: [CTRL] Paul Harvey on Guns


I made this guy's show twice in my life - he seemed to understand me.
He did not mention my name, but the city in which I lived and what I had
done..I had taken a chance and he gave me some credibility but just
knowing here was a man who understood why I did what I did.

He has capusled it all nicely - but I am still looking for these kids
who like Charles Manson had to have a programmer - Manson's father, was
an alleged "Colonel".Colonel of what?   He was in love with war and
seemed to have a Rommel complexnow Rommel, the Desert Fox was
something right out of the old Testament and George Patton,  a Mason too
and he was a brother to Rommel - knew it.
This Rommel, Manson used to play desert fox in his dune buggy - but he
was no Rommel.

Rommel was a German Officer, not a Nazi.the Nazis were a political
party were they not?   Should America be judged by our President - you
better believe it.

The President is supposed to symbolize the Amrican people and set an
honorable example for our kids.Littleton?   Who had their hooks in
those two kids - it is obvious, they were "key experiments" run amuck -
in love with death and drugs, they even taught kids at that age who had
everything for which to live, classes in death.

They taught these kids, these sick perverted twisted animals, that
homosexuality was okay when it is not acceptable - they saw babies
butchered before they were given a breath of life - life is cheap?

Well not for the Clintons and some of these people..they live in
this beautiful estate and we pick up all their bills for food, clothes,
shelter, vacationsand they still call the police and secret
service "pigs".

Well.don't blame Littleton on Hitler, as the news media tried to do
- neo nazis, they wrote until itwas discovered little Klebold was a jew
and his family and grandfather big time philantrophist with mob
connections.

Sowho is to blame for two kids, killing their
classmates.something evil this way cometh, and something evil
transpired of which we do not know.

Suggest they contact a K 9 controller and trainer..for with a look,
a signal, an unspoken word or a spoken word - you can kill with the
blink of an eye or in a twinking of an evil eye.

Charles Manson knew this - but who was his teacher?   His mentor.he
worked for the mob.

The voice still calls "Give Us Barabas" - and GIVE Us Manson, and Give
us John Gotti.

For heavens sake release John Gotti and turn him loose in his country
for the streets were a lot safer when he was aroundgo get that
guy who admitted to murdering 19 people on the witness stand and they
sent Gotti to jail and set the admitted killer free - you shall know the
truth and the truth shall set you free?

I think there is a chance the Manson with the twinkling of an eye could
have called for the death of even little JonBenet..for there is a
connection there...so many evil people roaming the streets and to
me, as of late, has anythiang good come out of Colorado - one of te most
secretive of states in the USAhome of Air Force Academy, and all
that secret stuff.

Manson with children of men who were engaged in top secret stuff in his
cult?   Ramsey was engaged in stuff that could be classified as top
secretand hs little girl, a Beauty Queenlike Sharon Tate, Beauty
and Queen - and remember Manson's little girl code named Queen of South?

Charles Manson murdered timed to Murder Calendarhe was just a
stupid and shot little ugly man who had someone else do his dirty work
for him, and the fact that he chummed with President Jmmy Carter's
nephew in prison..well,

Paul Harvey sees how kids can be manipulated into such
things..Littleton, big link to what is wrong with America - for it
is the iniquities of the father's being visited upon the
childrenbible style, planned - but by whom?

If we loosed the chains and released the prisoners would it all
stop.Lucky Luciano downed a navy destroyer while in prison, Al
Capone may have engineered the Lindburg baby kidnapping..and John
Gotti?   Well you know before the World Trade Center was blow up, a dead
contractor had been found in basement and boy, they thought the boogie
man John Gotti did that one, and the boggie man Osama bin Laden like
Gotti his hand is blamed to be in all cookie jars.

Wrong people going to jailget the architect - and it ws not John
Gotti or Osama bin Laden who blew up Oklahoma - or was it?

Only Morris Dees who told the FBI and BATF and a Judge to stay home that
day knows for sure...and Dees is spending a lot of money now making
movies, of himself and portrays himself as a good Christian boy close to
his daughter..and according to his wife, Dees got a little too
close.

so Paul Harvey is my hero - a moral man who survived with the
truthhad he been a dishonest man, he would be on MSNBC or CNN make a
boodle.

Long Live Osama bin Laden the Boogie Man - for who would we blame all
this

Re: [CTRL] Crowley biography


Think I read that 30 years ago Johannesbut my friend - her mother
and Crowley were friends, and he used to put her on his shoulder and
climb this hill and look out.

She remembered and liked the guy and she had been trained by Ian
Fleming.she said drugs did him in, but he was without a doubt the
most misunderstood man in the world.

Drugs when they complete their victory, take over the soul having long
taken the body.but Crowley's rituals were hanky panky but he had the
masons mad for they thought he was stealing their stuff, when he was
getting it on his own having reached an enlightened state when a small
child, I guess.

But wouldn't you know, he died and people thought he was a Nazi when he
was British Intelligence.

Once he was a handsome man I understand...and that temple in Siciliy
must have been something else.

Like Old Hells Fire Club  nobody knows for sure, and you sometimes see
more in an old engraving than you do find in a history book.

The book I had was so big and I did noto have time to read it all, but I
too misjudged Crowley for I thought he was a satanist - he was not.

He was brilliant, mountain climber, chess player - but had he smoked a
pipe, I would not have trusted him.

Books like he wrote are often a spies bread and butter.and anything
goes, so long as you cloaka the truth in mysticism or black
magiclike the old black pullet from the east whom you call from
within a circle of friends, and he will do murder for you...Sirhan
Sirhan, new what that meant.

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[CTRL] Tests show Gulf war victims have uranium poisoning

2000-09-03 Thread Nurev Ind Research


Why did the US Military fight the Gulf War? To save lovely democratic Kuwait
from the New Hitler Sadam Hussein right? That is what we were told.

When the too few war protesters shouted that this was an oil war, George
Bush, a big time oil man, swore on his mother's eyes that it was not. So
did Dick Cheney the secretary of defense. Today, no one bothers to deny that
US military personnel went to the Gulf to fight an oil war.

But the US tricked Hussein into attacking Kuwait. April Glaspie, a State Dept.
official, told Saddam that the US was not interested in Arab squabbles and would
not interfere in them. Saddam took this as a green light from the people who
armed and supported him in his eight year war against Iran.

Why did we give Saddam the OK to attack Kuwait?

Prior to the Gulf War the US was simply not allowed to establish military bases
in our puppet kingdoms in the Gulf. The Arab citizens of Saudi Arabia, Kuwait,
and the others hate America and the Royal Puppets that we keep in place
there who are PARTNERS with Exxon, BP, and Shell Oil. But if our Puppets
allowed American bases on Islamic soil, especially the holy soil of Arabia, they
would face revolution and beheading. As pleasant as this possibility might seem,
the Royal Puppets are in constant fear of losing their positions, and the
positions of their crania as they are currently situated.

Now that the cold war was over and the other Evil Empire collapsed, there was
no longer an external threat to Big Oil's control over that part of the world.
But there was still the INTERNAL threat to the shaky regimes we keep there. The
threat of a mass Islamic revolution on the Arabian Peninsula is real and
constant.

It became imperative to establish military bases on Islamic soil in the Gulf to
protect Big oil from being " nationalized " by any Islamic revolution.

Saddam gave the State Department the opportunity, by becoming a " threat " in
the region. We sent American military personnel to Arabia to defend them from
the evil Saddam. But we needed a place for them to stay didn't we? So we set
up " temporary " bases. For the first time, the was an Infidel military
presence on holy soil. But it was acceptable because of the perceived threat.

THOSE BASES ARE STILL THERE TODAY. This is why we did not outrightly defeat
and remove Saddam. He is more useful as a threat and an excuse to keep bases
in the region.

The Middle East's oil drives the EUROPEAN and JAPANESE economies. NOT the
American economy. We were never at serious risk if the Gulf Oil Tap was
shut off to us. We only get about 20% of Gulf oil. We get our oil from
Venezuela, and other places around the world. I repeat. WE WERE NOT AT RISK.

We sacrificed our military to protect the status quo in Europe and Japan.
North America, Europe, and Japan are the Tri-Lateral pillars of the New World
Economic Order. They are the foundation economies of the pre-natal World
Economy. If THEY are dependent on Mid East oil, then, our internationalist
elites reckon that is a good enough reason to put our soldiers at risk.

THE US MILITARY ARE THE MODERN DAY HESSIANS FOR TRANSNATIONAL CORPORATIONS.

Our military leaders take orders from our civilian government. Our civilian
government works for the Transnationals. PARTICULARLY BIG OIL. The two primary
presidential candidates ARE OIL MEN.

Are you prepared to let you sons and daughters die for EXXON, and OCCIDENTAL?

Joshua2

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http://www.sunday-times.co.uk/news/pages/sti/2000/09/03/stifgnnws02001.html

Sunday Times (UK)  - September 3 2000

Tests show Gulf war victims have uranium poisoning

Jonathon Carr-Brown and Martin Meissonnier



NEW evidence that Gulf war syndrome exists and was caused by radiation
poisoning will be revealed today by a former American army colonel who
was at the centre of his government's attempts to diagnose the
illness.

Dr Asaf Durakovic will tell a conference of eminent nuclear scientists
in Paris that "tens of thousands" of British and American soldiers are
dying from radiation from depleted uranium (DU) shells fired during
the Gulf war.

The findings will undermine the British and American governments'
claims that Gulf war syndrome does not exist and intensify pressure
from veterans on both sides of the Atlantic for compensation.

Durakovic, who is professor of nuclear medicine at Georgetown
University, Washington, and the former head of nuclear medicine at the
US Army's veterans' affairs medical facility in Delaware, will tell
the conference that he and his team of American and Canadian
scientists have discovered life-threateningly high levels of DU in
Gulf veterans 10 years after the desert war.

His findings, which have been verified by four independent experts, is
embarrassing for the Ministry of Defence (MoD) and American Defence
Department, which have consistently refused to test Gulf war veterans
for DU.

Durakovic will tell the European Association of

Re: [CTRL] New (Reptilian) World Order

2000-09-03 Thread Michael Pugliese


   David Ickian BS. Fortean Times debunked this shit months ago.
  Michael Pugliese

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Re: [CTRL] Crowley biography

2000-09-03 Thread nessie


[EMAIL PROTECTED],Internet writes:

It's one of the most entertaining and readable biographies I've read.



That doesn't make it a good biography. What makes a biography good is
accuracy.

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Re: [CTRL] New (Reptilian) World Order


Now why would somebody be inclined to think that the above is just as
you say "sh--".

Reptilians running the world?   Chaning from reptiles to human
beingsever look a mad Mafiaso in the eyes?

Talk about reptilian looks and rabbits and cobras hypnotize by a mere
stare.

Now when I look at Queen Elizabeth somehow I see her dragging a dragon's
tail, or maybe a dionosuer's tail..then I discovered it was her
husband, the Prince of Greece, who must always follow 10 feet south of
this old old horse giong north.

Reptiles running the UN?   Well look at what we have in our White House
- a real chameleon.

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[CTRL] Green Plastics

2000-09-03 Thread Alamaine


From
http://www.sciam.com/2000/0800issue/0800gerngross.html

}}Begin


Tillman U. Gerngross and Steven C. Slater
...
SUBTOPICS:
The Problem: Energy and Emissions
The Answer: Renewable Energy
SIDEBARS:
Production And Energy Demands
Green Plastic Get Practical

Driving down a dusty gravel road in central Iowa, a farmer gazes toward the
horizon at rows of tall, leafy corn plants shuddering in the breeze as far as
the eye can see. The farmer smiles to himself, because he knows something about
his crop that few people realize. Not only are kernels of corn growing in the
ears, but granules of plastic are sprouting in the stalks and leaves.

This idyllic notion of growing plastic, achievable in the foreseeable future,
seems vastly more appealing than manufacturing plastic in petrochemical
factories, which consume about 270 million tons of oil and gas every year
worldwide. Fossil fuels provide both the power and the raw materials that
transform crude oil into common plastics such as polystyrene, polyethylene and
polypropylene. From milk jugs and soda bottles to clothing and car parts, it is
difficult to imagine everyday life without plastics, but the sustainability of
their production has increasingly been called into question. Known global
reserves of oil are expected to run dry in approximately 80 years, natural gas
in 70 years and coal in 700 years, but the economic impact of their depletion
could hit much sooner. As the resources diminish, prices will go up--a reality
that has not escaped the attention of policymakers. President Bill Clinton
issued an executive order in August 1999 insisting that researchers work toward
replacing fossil resources with plant material both as fuel and as raw
material.

With those concerns in mind, biochemical engineers, including the two of us,
were delighted by the discovery of how to grow plastic in plants. On the
surface, this technological breakthrough seemed to be the final answer to the
sustainability question, because this plant-based plastic would be "green" in
two ways: it would be made from a renewable resource, and it would eventually
break down, or biodegrade, upon disposal. Other types of plastics, also made
from plants, hold similar appeal. Recent research, however, has raised doubts
about the utility of these approaches. For one, biodegradability has a hidden
cost: the biological breakdown of plastics releases carbon dioxide and methane,
heat-trapping greenhouse gases that international efforts currently aim to
reduce. What is more, fossil fuels would still be needed to power the process
that extracts the plastic from the plants, an energy requirement that we
discovered is much greater than anyone had thought. Successfully making green
plastics depends on whether researchers can overcome these energy-consumption
obstacles economically--and without creating additional environmental burdens.

Traditional manufacturing of plastics uses a surprisingly large amount of
fossil fuel. Automobiles, trucks, jets and power plants account for more than
90 percent of the output from crude-oil refineries, but plastics consume the
bulk of the remainder, around 80 million tons a year in the U.S. alone. To
date, the efforts of the biotechnology and agricultural industries to replace
conventional plastics with plant-derived alternatives have embraced three main
approaches: converting plant sugars into plastic, producing plastic inside
microorganisms, and growing plastic in corn and other crops.

Cargill, an agricultural business giant, and Dow Chemical, a top chemical firm,
joined forces three years ago to develop the first approach, which turns sugar
from corn and other plants into a plastic called polylactide (PLA).
Microorganisms transform the sugar into lactic acid, and another step
chemically links the molecules of lactic acid into chains of plastic with
attributes similar to polyethylene terephthalate (PET), a petrochemical plastic
used in soda bottles and clothing fibers.

Looking for new products based on corn sugar was a natural extension of
Cargill's activities within the existing corn-wet-milling industry, which
converts corn grain to products such as high-fructose corn syrup, citric acid,
vegetable oil, bioethanol and animal feed. In 1999 this industry processed
almost 39 million tons of corn--roughly 15 percent of the entire U.S. harvest
for that year. Indeed, Cargill Dow earlier this year launched a $300-million
effort to begin mass-producing its new plastic, NatureWorksTM PLA, by the end
of 2001 [see Gruber interview].

PRODUCTION AND
ENERGY DEMANDS
Other companies, including Imperial Chemical Industries, developed ways to
produce a second plastic, called polyhydroxyalkanoate (PHA). Like PLA, PHA is
made from plant sugar and is biodegradable. In the case of PHA, however, the
bacterium Ralstonia eutropha converts sugar directly into plastic. PLA requires
a chemical step outside the organism to synthesize the plastic, but PHA
naturally accumulates within the

Re: [CTRL] Conspiracy Journal Website Destroyed!

2000-09-03 Thread DIG alfred webre


 Conspiracy Journal - http://www.webufo.net

 To all of our loyal friends,
 Sometime early on September 1, 2000, the Conspiracy Journal website was
 completely destroyed by an unknown outside party. All of our files, html
 and photos were erased with no chance (at least so far) of recovery.

 As you may already know, other UFO and conspiracy websites have been
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[CTRL] The Mummy's Curse and Worse....


So Ms. June, not that I am trying to prove anything for you or to you,
but I feel you were entitled to a response re King Tut and the first
appearance being in 1963 in this countrywell the advent of these
treasures to USA (other than that which was obviously stolen in tombs by
sovenier collectors and smuggled into USA) - you will note that these
artifacts of King Tut first appeared from 1961 to 1963keep in mind,
JFK was NOT to be president and that a tour of this type had to be
arranged prior to his election..

So I am quoting from a book which is one of several.it was when I
read this book that I realized that he name of my book The Valley of
Hamon Gog - sub title Premeditated Murder by Prophecy, contained the big
secret.   That the Valley of the Kings and HAMON GOG..equated to
Tut-Ank-Hamonas the English used to say Tut Tut, for the knew
something not quite right here.

So why I am doing this for an old grouch like you, I do not know, but
your are CTRL's grouch and things could be a little duller without your
sometimes credible and rational statements

From:  TREASURES OF TUTANKHAMUN,
First Edition, November 1976 ..2nd
Printing was in July 1977.

Copyright:  The Mtropolitian MUSEUM OF Art

"Treasures of Tutankhamun is the most important and beautiful
exhibition of ancient Egyptian art ever to come into the United
States.IT DIFFERS IN SEVRAL KEY RSPECS FROM THE OTHER PRESENTATIONS
OF SELECTIONS FROM THE REMARKABLE CONTENTS OF TUTANKHAMUN'S tomb held in
this cuntry in 1961-1963 and Japan in 1965.or in the landmark
exhibition in Paris in 1967 organizd by Mme. Christiane
Desroches-Bibkeciyrtm wgise effirts oaved tge wat fir akk sybseqyebt
/tytabjganyb exgubutuibsm at tge /brutusg Nyseyn ub 1972 and in the
Soviet Union in 1974"

Now further information on this would be available at the library - and
I will note some things here that made me realize that in the title of
my manuscript, I had a bigger clue than one would dream.Exxon Oil
had major hand in this last exhibit.two Rockefellers went out, and
in my New Year Day Predictions I made two biggies"Will the
mummy's curse get the Rockefellers" and two "Is there a Borgia in the
Vatican..well two popes went out and the third in - but my favorite
whom I called the little yellow bird, died and his last words to press
were "I eat like a canary".and poof - he was gone.

As for John D. Rockefeller dying like Grald Ford's brother Leslie King
(and they both had same name - Leslie King was Fords real name
too).well, Rockefeller met death on a lonely road, as did I believe
the Curator of the Museum who turned Loose Tut and his Curse, upon
us..not that I believe in curses.

And the Pope, well the Jesuits left a lot of poison in those tombs, and
they were not there to save souls.

So I believe this stuff  Tut had was stuff stashed by original grave
robbers...

Anway, look what happened then and remember Sadat.gunned down and in
the background stood the pyramids.fire birds all.

Richard Nixon in 1974 and Anwar el Sadat wanted Tut Exhibit as a "final
mpetus for the long hoped dreama for indication of good will between the
two counries, USA and Egypt.
Well first went Nixon, and then Ford had his famous phone call to
Sadat.and then Squaky Frome almost got Ford dressed like little Red
Riding Hood, and then Sadat gunned down, as we watchd the pyramids as a
background - and what a scenario.

Henry Kissinger who is anybody's kiss of death, who ridiculed Nixion for
gtting down on his knees to pray, was ordered by Nixon to arrange for
this exhibitand did with Foreigh Minister Ismail Fahmy.

Oh St. Paul spoke of the sting of death, but look at tha Egyptian plane
Thothmosis II..death shall come on swift wings to those who disturb
the sleep of the pharoahs, and last New Years that bunch held a blast at
the feet of the tomb of the Pharoahs, much watered down version for the
Gods of ancient Egypt - had been angered.

There is a secret society who follows the path of the rose, fulfilling
ancient curses and updating same when the need beusing the ancient
rituals to give this stuff a little demoniac dressing, they murder at
will.they are the Tarot Card Assasons...who use a deck of cards
to challenge the destiny of this country and the world.

Me, now I know when to fold, and I know when to holdand believe me
with that one I am folding for awhile.

Was Bill Colby another Hanged Man Fear Death by Water - deep sixed like
that mummy from the Temple of Aye who was aboard the Titanic in a solid
gold coffin?

Look what happened though - poor old Ford, Manson from a prison cell
ordered a hit on him - always wondered who "The Queen of the South
was".the queen of Sheba (Seba or Saba) with a gift?   Some say this
woman was the terror by night had long furry legs like a monkey,.

So pleasant dreams June.your worry about this stuff now and I can
get it off my

[CTRL] U.N. Summit Document: Expand U.N. Power

2000-09-03 Thread lloyd

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Subject: U.N. Summit Document: Expand U.N. Power
Date: Friday, August 25, 2000 8:12 AM

http://www.newsmax.com/articles/?a=2000/8/24/202112

U.N. Summit Document: Expand U.N. Power
Austin Ruse
Friday, Aug. 25, 2000
A closely guarded and highly controversial draft document that will be negotiated by 
governments at the U.N. Millennium Summit reveals that the United Nations plans to 
increase its influence and move closer to the center of the world stage.

The document is also meant to burnish what has become an increasingly tarnished U.N. 
reputation.

Among other things, the document calls for the ratification of seven U.N. conventions 
and for a world conference on nuclear disarmament.

There is no question that powerful people within the U.N. and those closely connected 
to it want to exponentially expand U.N. power into all aspects of human life. This 
document, however, does not advance what many see as an impending political apocalypse 
at the September meeting.

According to the "President's Working Draft" prepared for the U.N. Millennium Summit:

The working draft document reveals a United Nations that is eager to regain lost 
credibility and to demand center stage. This comes after years of U.N. crises, 
including notable U.N. "peacekeeping" failures, ongoing financial and management 
problems and a string of controversial world conferences that have caused a widening 
rift between the U.N. and many governments.

The summit will bring together what is being called the largest meeting of heads of 
state and government in history. Up to 150 are expected for the three-day meeting 
beginning Sept. 6 at U.N. headquarters in New York City. The meeting, which up to now 
has been wrapped in the usual pre-conference secrecy, has caused growing alarm among 
pro-family groups that expect the summit to be a vehicle for expanded U.N. power.

The "President's Working Draft," which won't be released to the public until just 
before the conference, shows the desire of the U.N. to be the central actor on the 
world stage. Summit participants will be asked to affirm their "faith in the 
Organization and its Charter as indispensable foundations of a more peaceful, 
prosperous and just world."

Over seven sections of the draft document call for increased commitments to peace, 
human rights, poverty reduction and environmental protection. Opening sentences give 
the document's feel: "We will spare no effort to free our peoples from the scourge of 
war." "We will spare no effort to free our fellow men, women and children from ... 
conditions of extreme poverty." "We must spare no effort to free all of humanity, and 
above all our children and grandchildren, from the threat of living on a planet 
irredeemably spoilt by human activities." "We will spare no effort to promote 
democracy and strengthen the rule of law."

The document calls for the increased capacity for the U.N. to conduct peacekeeping 
operations, the timely paying of U.N. dues, the "speedy reform and enlargement of the 
Security Council," the elimination of nuclear weapons, the "prevention of trafficking 
in small arms and light weapons," "debt relief for the least developed nations," and 
the "promotion of gender equality in its own right."

The document calls for the ratification of seven existing treaties, including the Rome 
Statutes of the International Criminal Court, the Ottawa Treaty banning land mines, 
the Kyoto Protocols on global warming, the Convention on Biological Diversity, the 
Convention to Combat Desertification, the Convention on the Rights of the Child, and 
the Optional Protocol on the Involvement of Children in Armed Conflict. The document 
calls for one new treaty  a Convention Against Terrorism - and a world conference on 
nuclear disarmament.

The draft document will concern many. If they come to pass, some of the ideas in the 
draft document will cause problems in the coming years.

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[CTRL] School bans Boy Scouts recruitment

2000-09-03 Thread BB

Friends,

This crap must stop - and immediately. None of the "organizations"
and "authorities" who are now acting like gestapo agents against the
Boy Scouts of America seem not to realize that they do not have a dime
to distribute or control except for the contributions or taxes of thousands
of citizens who very likely feel very differently.

And, school "boards" and "authorities" had better listen up and
come to a realization they are NOT in fact the Gestapo Headquarters
in determining what rules, edicts and demands are to be followed by
parents and students alike simply because they say so.

Folks, you'd better start applying some very strong pressure to the
authoritarian nut cases in our country who believe that they run things
and decide whether or not "they" will support a particular organization,
simply because these groups stand up for what we all know to be
MORALLY RIGHT.

School Superintendent Mark Smith desperately needs to be sent packing,
as the first in a long line of despots who are not afraid to make these kinds
of lunatic unilateral decisions which fly in the face of what every traditional
American knows to be true and just.

This crap MUST STOP.

Bill Ball

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On Sat, 02 Sep 2000 13:49:07 -0600, spiker [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Source:
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http://www.townonline.com/metrowest/

School bans Boy Scouts recruitment

http://www.townonline.com/metrowest/framingham/news/0-9097_0_school_090200_c029360308.html

September 2, 2000

By MICHELLE HILLMAN NEWS STAFF WRITER

FRAMINGHAM -- School Superintendent Mark Smith, reacting to the Boy Scouts'
ban on gays, says he will no longer allow the organization's local chapter
to hand out information or recruit members on school grounds.

The chapter, called the Knox Trail Council, will still be able to hold
meetings in Framingham school buildings, providing they don't send children
home with any information about the Boy Scouts.

Smith said his decision was prompted by the local council's support of the
Boy Scouts of America's policy of excluding both gay scout leaders and
homosexual scouts.

Dennis Prefontaine, a scout executive, who met with Smith earlier this
month, was not available for comment.

Smith said Framingham's schools have a strong commitment to respecting
differences and diversity, and said the Boy Scouts' policy to exclude
certain people is in direct conflict with those standards.

He said he would take the same stance against any group that excludes
people on the basis of race, gender, sexual orientation, ethnicity or sex.

So far, Smith has not banned any other groups from disseminating
information through the schools.

"This is not targeted at the Boy Scouts," said Smith, who has been weighing
the new policy since the high court ruling was handed down in June. "In
fact, my hope would be that the local or national chapter would change
their policy. I think very highly of the Boy Scouts and what they do for
children."

The U.S. Supreme Court ruled earlier this year that the Boy Scouts are
permitted to deny participation of a gay youth or adult because they are a
private organization, and therefore do not have to abide by laws
prohibiting discrimination in public accommodations.

If the Knox Council does change it's mind and decides to support the
inclusion of all students, Smith said he would review the policy.

John Roberts, executive director of the Civil Liberties Union of
Massachusetts, said the School Department's new policy treads a fine line
between upholding the rights of students and the Council's First Amendment
rights to freedom of assembly and free expression.

"It's a very interesting cut here," said Roberts. "It's a clash of
constitutional principles."

Because Framingham's School Department has a policy of inclusion, Roberts
said it may refuse the Boy Scouts permission to hand out material on school
grounds that contradicts that policy. But he said the department may not
keep them from using school buildings.

Smith said that is exactly the reason the decision was made the way it was.

Smith said he spoke with school principals and members of the School
Committee about the controversy before issuing the policy. He said they
agreed that the Scouts' position fails to benefit students educationally or
enhance the schools' curriculum -- key criteria of the schools'
solicitation policy.

Smith said it's possible that the School Committee might review the
building policy that grants use of grounds and buildings to various
groups. Currently the

Re: [CTRL] Give up guns, or go to war? What do you think?

2000-09-03 Thread Involuntary


On Sun, 3 Sep 2000 10:28:09 -0400, Aleisha Saba [EMAIL PROTECTED]
posted article [EMAIL PROTECTED],
which said:

 One thing, sometimes it takes a crook to catch a crook - maybe
 that old like by hook or crook, we get them all in the end for I
 still believe in the ballot box

Not I.  I mean, if you look at the underhanded tactics being carried out
on the world scene, how the hell can anybody believe in the ballot box?
I think most of politics, debates and media appearances are carried on
as a front to what's going on behind the scenes.  I think the ballot box
is the biggest sham of all, but I think many people continue to believe
in it because, they think it's the only power they have.  However, these
discussions do raise awareness, which is very important.  If the voting
system is corrupt, raising awareness won't change the outcome of
elections, but at least people are aware of it.  Being taken by
completely by surprise is the worst thing that can happen to a person.
Having long been aware of the problems, people will be more prepared to
deal with anything that happens in between.

Ty

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Re: [CTRL] Woman protests restroom arrest

2000-09-03 Thread Involuntary


On Sun, 3 Sep 2000 01:00:27 -0700, nessie [EMAIL PROTECTED] posted
article [EMAIL PROTECTED],
which said:

 Peace does not come from within every single person.  Even in
 totally egalitarian societies where neither status nor poverty nor
 prohabition exist to motivate predation,

And where do such societies exist?  Perhaps some people are psychotic
because they feel too restricted by the society that has been
engineered.  Being born into a freer society might result in less
psychosis.  As one who has been through psychosis, I can say that my
biggest perception of the world while in a state of psychosis was the
world was too restrictive and too judgmental.  Therefore I stand by my
opinion that in order to have peace, men must change within their hearts
to be non-judgmental and permissive.  I'm speaking from personal
experience.  People would also need to be more accepting of death.  The
fact that we have funerals and that we bury the dead indicates that we
do not handle death well.

Ty

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