[CTRL] Is a headless human possible?

[NSA]

Is a headless human possible?September 18 2000 at 
09:45AMPeople can obviously live with missing arms, legs, kidney, lung, 
gall bladder, eyes, ears, nose, and much more. But wouldn't a headless human 
be impossible? If you think so, you haven't been tracking the 
breathtaking breakthroughs of genetic engineering, where cloning of Dolly 
the sheep and creation of a headless frog embryo prompted Dr Patrick Dixon, 
author of The Genetic Revolution, to forecast cloned colonies of headless 
humans kept as spare part factories in the future. Given its 
technical feasibility, there will be enormous economic pressurefor this to 
happen, Dixon told the British Press Association. It willprobably occur in 
countries where there is little or no gene legislation.Already the world 
has "Miracle Mike", the headless chicken of the 1940s, as an example. 
Earmarked for supper, the Colorado rooster met a bizarre fate when a poorly 
aimed hatchet took off his head but left neck and brain stem intact - enough 
to keep Mike's body strutting about for a couple of years, fed via an 
eyedropper through the open hole of his oesophagus. Life magazine 
ran a photo of him amidst his barnyard brethren, captioned:"Chickens do not 
avoid Mike who, however, has shown no tendency to mate."http://www.iol.co.za/html/frame_news.php?click_id=187art_id=iol969263138160S365

Re: [CTRL] Weird Presidential Coincidentials?

[Aleisha Saba]

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Ah but see now this is typical propaganda - Landers like a Jean Dixon
lays the seeds of destruction - poor Gore, we will have a Zionist for
President no doubt if Gore is elected.   Landers is a political
propagandist and a Zionistnot safe for a good Christian boy to run
for President this year...

Remember JFK.over and over and over, the asrologers marked him for
murder..Jean Dixon was on the mob's payroll and the newspapers had
given her "divine" statusa real Rose of Washington Square who got
tripped up by J. Edgar.

So Ann Landers - what else would you expect - start the talk going - you
see one could say she was part of the old Meyer Lansky mob - they get
some "nut" to fulfill prophecies by first setting up the target for the
kill.

Then when Lieberman is President - well, you see how it goesJFK was
toldl not to run, that he would be killed - he ran, and he was
killed.with his death Camelot became garbage and dog patch - and you
see the enemy with is making a Sodom and Gomorrah out of the United
States.then comes the punishment for being so badsay like
Klebold and Harris punished the little Christians in Littleton?
Judgment Day?

So the conspirators use their little bible calendar and it is not safe
for a Catholic or a Protestant to run for President and win -  the
groundwork is being laid, for the kill.

Save the Evergreen.

Let Joe Lieberman go run in Israel..it is reported he holds dual
citizenship.   Such holy pepole these Israelies.

Remember the USS Liberty.

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Re: [CTRL] Ted Nugent Speaks out on Gun Rights

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In a message dated 9/19/00 10:35:15 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
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  The sad fact is that many 'boat'
 people have died trying to get to Canada.  It's heartbreaking.  And I
 have also read stories of people dying while trying to get to Australia,
 and Britain is a cosmopolitan country too.

Being here in the States I haven't heard of people dying to get to Canada,
but it's easily understandable with the cold waters surrounding Canada.
Where do these people come from - Cuba, Haiti?  The US is also cosmopolitan
and has been for quite some time.

  I would suggest Mr. Nugent
 look beyond the borders of the US to see what is going on in the rest of
 the world, but he has carved out a nice safe niche for himself. 

He does have it made, for sure.

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Re: [CTRL] Pagans to meet at school

[Aleisha Saba]

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Local schools for local people.time to run for the school board.

In our community we built good schools and have a good system.doors
are open for meetings for local organizations upon approval of the
school board.

If the NAACP
wants to meet in local schools, so can local KKK..nothing wrong with
that, so long as they are local chapters.

Now our local sodomists if they want to hold a Gay Pride meeting in a
school - go ahead - just keep them out of the restrooms.

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Re: [CTRL] Psychology of Conspiracy Theories - CFP

[Aleisha Saba]

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Well Justine, the ADL and Morris Dees of this Southern Poverty Law
Stricken Society (worth abot 70 million dollars - and they took a vow of
poverty,no doubt) - but through their efforts Christians and Moslems
have been set for extermination

The Great Farrakhan took on the Masons and the guy has a sense of humor
- and the Christians, well they are just targets now for FBIfor
Louis Freeh after meeting with Putin, former head of KGB came home so
impressed as did Madeline Albright that the immediately put Christians
and Moslems on hit list.

They awaited the millenium of their own creation that never
materialized.first of all a holocaust occurred at Littleton - but
this is to be erased from our minds - blotted out of the books..and
little Buford who took a taxi back to his FBI - obvious plant and he
left right winged literature for capture also.

It is the oil they all want - this particular movement, and they are
guilty of a theft of a nation i the making.

Only thing that saves the Arab world from destruction..according to
this Shiek my sister worked with as Int. Trade Rep - those oil fields
and mined and wired and they will blow them to hell and back if aliens
attempt to take over.

I like Farrakhan for he recogizes the needs of his people - he does not
want them downed with CIA/Mafia drugs - Castro did one good thing, he
kicked Meyer Lansky and his assassins out of Cuba and made orphanages of
the hotels and gambling houses from which the mob thrived.

So Farrakhan tries to teach his followers not to fall in carefully laid
traps.strange though, all these moslem papers I have from 70 period,
hate the Pope - nothing anti Jewish - all hate the Pope and Christian
holidays..wonder who really backs the New York Moslems?   Like who
organized first NAACP?

So to each his own, and long ago I took my stand.

So Albright goes to Putin for permission for the United States of
America to defend its shores - wondr what Constitution she follows?
Russian?   Israelie?All Isralies are armed and dangrous but they
emasculate Amrican Males - they think?

Black Panthers and Israelies all carry AK's and so did Klebold and
Harris - but boy try to carry one to the local super market over here?

Who is kidding who?   This country is being set for the kill by a
handful of evil pepole - evil is, as evil does and by their fruits, you
shall know them - as they say it is not the snake in the open but the
one in the grass that is deadly.   Smart man told me that once - the
enemy within who walks and talks as you do but in secret is like a Henry
Kissinger, KGB Agent code name Bor.

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Re: [CTRL] The Jesuit Oath was... NAZI HOMOSEXUALS JESUIT INFILTRATORS

[Samantha L.]

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  FYI - I went to CIN (Catholic Information Network) and did a search on the
word "Jesuit."  I got to a long list of emails from their mail list archives.
 Every thread that looked like it had a relevant title to oaths, assassins,
even Malachi Martin (except his obituary) was inaccessible.   Then I thought
maybe they had locked-out all but the 2000 posts, but that proved incorrect.
Certain threads you need a password to access.  I joined one of the emails
lists in question to see if I might get a password in order to have archive
access, but to no avail.  I don't know if this is deliberate censorship on
their part or not, but I do know it is frustrating!  Here are some titles
that were locked:

http://monica.cin.org/search/cinsearch.html

  CINAPOL Archives: Urgent help needed -- Jesuit Oath on killing babies?
 Abstract: Urgent help needed - Jesuit Oath on killing babies?. CINApol
Archives.

  CINAPOL Archives: Re: Trail of Blood Baptist calls me Jesuit Assasin
 Abstract: Re: Trail of Blood Baptist calls me Jesuit Assasin. CINApol
Archives.

  CINMAIN Archives: The Jesuits  Fr. Malachi Martin
 Abstract: The Jesuits  Fr. Malachi Martin. CINMain Archives.

  CINMAIN Archives: U.S. Court OKs Sex Harassment Suit Against Jesuits
 Abstract: U.S. Court OKs Sex Harassment Suit Against Jesuits. CINMain
Archives.

  CINAPOL Archives: Re: Trail of Blood(revisited) - Infant Baptism Fathers
 Abstract: Re: Trail of Blood(revisited) - Infant Baptism Fathers. CINApol
Archives.
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[CTRL] GU: WHO'S TESTING OUR GENES - AND WHY?

[MICHAEL SPITZER]

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WHO'S TESTING OUR GENES - AND WHY?

The US equal employment opportunities commissioner, Paul Miller,
has called for tougher safeguards for workers against genetic
discrimination after it emerged that hundreds of people have
already lost their jobs or insurance protection as a direct
result of advances in genetic screening.

For entire article see:

http://www.guardianunlimited.co.uk/Distribution/Redirect_Artifact/0,4678,0-3701
19,00.html


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[CTRL] NYP: HILL RUN HATCHED DURING BILL'S TRIAL: BOOK (fwd)

[MICHAEL SPITZER]

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New York Post-September 19, 2000

HILL RUN HATCHED DURING BILL'S TRIAL: BOOK

By VINCENT MORRIS

WASHINGTON - Hillary Clinton's secret plan to move to New York
and run for Senate was hatched in the middle of her husband's
impeachment trial, according to a new book.

She spent four hours at the White House with the president's
chief of staff, Harold Ickes, on Feb. 12, 1999, poring over
demographics and ignoring the president when he walked in and
began to talk about his impeachment woes.

The book says the president sat at a table with Hillary and
Ickes, who were eating lunch and talking New York politics, and
tried to join the conversation by mentioning his strong showing
in Herkimer County in the 1992 and 1996 election.

Peter Baker's book "The Breach," published yesterday, also
reveals how strongly Ickes pushed for Clinton's resignation
during the impeachment crisis.

It says Ickes tried to line up senior Democrats in Congress, plus
influential White House friends like union leaders, and then met
with AFL-CIO President John Sweeney to push the idea of a
presidential resignation, the book says.

"Let's wait and see, Harold," Sweeney is quoted as saying, when
the two men dined at the Washington Hilton Hotel. "Let's see how
this unfolds."

Baker, a Washington Post writer, was a leading Sexgate reporter.

At least one of the people mentioned in his impeachment book -
ex-Republican Rep. Bob Livingston of Louisiana - is disputing its
charge that he once wavered in the drive to impeach Clinton.

Livingston, now a lobbyist, wrestled over impeaching Clinton and
came around to the idea after learning about allegations from
Juanita Broaddrick that Clinton raped her in 1978, the book says.

"It's not true. [Livingston] never wavered for a moment," former
Livingston press secretary Mark Corallo told The Post yesterday.

Among other revelations, the book says:

* Sexgate prober Kenneth Starr investigated 21 women linked to
Clinton.

* Hillary Clinton shot down a plan to avoid impeachment by
letting the president stay in office but strip him of his pension
for five years - mainly because she was the main breadwinner and
didn't want to support him.

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[CTRL] CNS: Bush Wins Endorsement of Chicago F.O.P.

[MICHAEL SPITZER]

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[I wonder how much publicity this story will receive from the
Trillion Dollar Propaganda machine?]

Bush Wins Endorsement of Chicago F.O.P.

By Tressa Pankovits

CNS Correspondent September 19, 2000


Chicago (CNSNews.com) - Texas Gov. George W. Bush accepted an
important union endorsement Monday night, and some say he can
thank Chicago-style politics for the honor.

The Chicago Fraternal Order of Police broke with tradition and
threw its support to the Republican presidential nominee, in what
many officers called a deliberate a jab at Chicago Mayor Richard
M. Daley, brother of Al Gore's campaign manager.

The 17,000-member police union has been working without a
contract with city hall for nearly a year and a half.

Bush accepted the nomination, saying if he's elected, he plans to
usher in "the responsibility era." "I believe in tough love,"
Bush said. "If you break the law, you will be held accountable."

In an apparent dig at President Clinton, Bush declared that he
will set the tone for the responsibility era, by serving the
"highest office in the land" with dignity and honor.

Bush did not discuss his support for concealed weapons laws, an
issue rejected by some officers who never know when they'll face
the business end of a gun. But one Chicago beat cop, who was shot
and paralyzed on October 16, 1996, indicated that the violence
done to him will not undermine his support for Bush.

Officer Jim Mullins, speaking laboriously in between spurts of
oxygen from his ventilator, said he supports the Texas Governor
because of his "strict enforcement of gun laws - so that these
criminals quit getting off so lightly."

Bush, kneeling by Officer Mullins' wheelchair, kissed the
policeman on the forehead after receiving Mullins' endorsement.

When asked if he worries that Bush's record of supporting
National Rifle Association measures in Texas could ultimately
lead to a federal concealed-carry law and more guns on the street
in Illinois, F.O.P. President Bill Nolan shrugged and said, "He
may, or he may not, we don't feel it's that big of an issue."

Bomb and arson detective Sy Komorowski echoed that sentiment,
saying, "More gun laws aren't going to solve anything.
Enforcement of the existing laws is what's going to take care of
things."

Nolan denied the union's endorsement of Bush comes in retaliation
for the lagging contract negotiations. The F.O.P is particularly
upset about a very unpopular demand the city has added to the
proposed contract: mandatory retirement at age 63. Officers who
will be forced out before reaching the twenty-year pension mark
are fighting this provision especially hard.

Lt. Joe Fitzsimmons said a vote for Al Gore is a vote for Mayor
Richard Daley. Fitzsimmons noted the lieutenants' union
originally endorsed Gore, but it is switching its vote to Bush
because Gore "abandoned" them, after promising to intervene in
negotiations.

"Benefits, pay, working conditions -- these are bread and butter
issues for the union. Where Bush stands on gun control is
irrelevant to us at this level," Fitzsimmons said.

Bush did not comment on the negotiations, and his Illinois
Campaign Chairman, Gov. George Ryan, told the local media that
voters will support Bush for his record, not as a way to slight
the mayor.


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[CTRL] Down with the NWO Campaign

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Subject: Down with the NWO Campaign
Date: Sunday, September 10, 2000 2:09 AM

Hi, I surfed on your website at   
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and was just wondering if you would be willing to participate in the

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[CTRL] Psychology of Conspiracy Theories - CFP

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Who is kidding who?   This country is being set for the kill by a handful
of evil pepole - evil is, as evil does and by their fruits, you shall know
them - as they say it is not the snake in the open but the one in the grass
that is deadly.   Smart man told me that once - the enemy within who walks
and talks as you do but in secret is like a Henry Kissinger, KGB Agent code
name Bor.
A. Saba

Absolutely.

There is no more need for "debate" with those under the influence of satanic
forces, those guilt-ridden liberals who don't even know their own minds,
those straights who act as apologists for the sodomites and help them push
their homosexual agenda, under the guise of "tolerance". Conscript parents
of sodomites, brain- wash them into politikal korrektness and get them on
PBS talking, writing articles.

What could be more absurd than a straight person "helping" the militant
homosexual agenda? Straights under the guise of "religion" too, helping the
sodomites to call it  "good" to heckle and boo the boys of the BSA (what
ever happened to all the "to do" over the "children"? Do sodomites ummm
"care" about these boys when their own agenda is at stake? Does it look like
it?). And helping the sodomites to call it "good" that sodomite propaganda
and brain-washing has infiltrated the kindergarten and elementary sckools of
Amerika. And sodomites big thing in life is "Mentoring". Wouldn't they
*love* to be in the position of...

Those change agents and facilitators trained by the GLSEN and other groups,
backed by Marxist, Leninist, and Socialist thought, and behind them Nazi
tactics, working on those guilt-ridden liberal fools.

Soft Christians trying to live by Jesus' words, "loving the sinner but
hating the sin". Meanwhile, being double-minded and konfused, the enemy
enters their schools and is after their boy scouts.

Farrakhan has eyes to see and is teaching his people very well the nature of
racism. And they rise up to the challenge, even with AK-47s.

Farrakhan teaches well the nature of things.

Pat Robertson helps to speak for almost long-forgotten morality. Laura
Schlessinger too. And those poor outraged rabbis having a fit that sodomites
are in their holocaust museum.

Christians know the beauty of their weapons. It's spiritual warfare and it's
time to dust them off and look at them once again, get the feel of them,
admire them Slow train coming down the track...

And it's spiritual warfare, flesh and blood breaking down. You either got
faith or you got unbelief -- and there is NO Neutral Ground.
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Bob Stokes wrote:

 Being here in the States I haven't heard of people dying to get to Canada,
 but it's easily understandable with the cold waters surrounding Canada.
 Where do these people come from - Cuba, Haiti?  The US is also cosmopolitan
 and has been for quite some time.

Of course, over the course of Canada's history many people died trying
to reach these shores - a good example is the Irish Famine.  However, in
recent history Canada has become a country of choice for people fleeing
their homelands - notably Asia this past spring and summer.  We have a
huge Asian population on our West Coast, and there is now a thriving
trade where horrible captains of boats cram people in like sardines,
charging them huge sums of money, and then dumping them either in the
water off the coast, where some drown, or on the coast. The West Coast
of Canada, (British Columbia) around the Vancouver area, has a temperate
climate, somewhat similar to Ireland.  In any event, the people
smuggling operations turned into a huge nightmare this summer.  And it
is not just on the West Coast either.  People from all over the world
want to move here, and do.

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[CTRL] Mind Games (was: NAZI POLICY TOWARD HOMOSEXUALS)

[Ynr Chyldz Wyld]

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From: "Amelia" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 There was one post that quoted both Aleshia and June and attributed it to
 me!  I began posting on this subject because I was tired of posters being
 shouted down.

No, you seek to control and censor the list along the lines of your own prejudices.


 You see, the list wa so much better when the exchange of
 information was free-flowing and people did not jump to conclusions and
 attack posters personally and liea bout what they said.

Then stop doing it.

BTW, I've been on this list for years, compared to your few weeks (at least under your 
current guise)...so you
are hardly the person to lecture about how much 'better' the list used to be...


 June posts about my
 "hew and cry" when in fact it is probably Aleisha's to whom she is
 referring.

One and the same.

And under your 'Amelia' guise you HAVE whined long and loud about homosexuals...


 Does every poster have to endorse and believe in every posts now?

No, but anyone sending an article to the list with which they don't agree should 
clearly label it as such.
Anyone who consistently sends articles to the list with which they don't agree and who 
does NOT clearly
mention that it is "FYI, not necessarily endorsed by sender" is just playing mind 
games with the list, and
obviously intent on a campaign to disrupt the list.


 If you post something positive about Cuba, will that mean you are a communist?

Of course it doesn't, but it DOES imply that the poster agrees with the country on 
whatever is being discussed
in the article.  If the person sending it does not, then they should clearly state 
that.

And if they don't clarify their stance, then they shouldn't take high umbrage when 
readers think that the
sender agrees with the sentiments within the article.


 But now that I have seen the
 manner in which my attempts to restore some semblance of civility and fair
 play have been met,

Ha!  More dissembling.  You seek to control and censor the list under the guise of 
your Miss Manners act.

BTW, I've been on this list for years, compared to your few weeks (at least under your 
current guise); so you
are hardly the one to pontificate about 'restoring' the list to anything...

But if you are sincere in your wish to 'restore some semblance of civility and fair 
play', then stop sending
your disinformation posts; those like you who stir the pot to see what boils should 
not complain when you get
burned in the process.


 I have nothing further to say to the list as a
 whole  on this worn out subject.--unless I am further attacked on list.

Then we can resign ourselves to the fact that you will continue to post your whining 
rants, as you feel that
any disagreement with you is a personal attack.

And it is interesting that you and your subs feel free to attack ME with aplomb at 
every opportunity, yet work
yourselves into a tizzy every time someone dares to point out the numerous instances 
of your mistakes and
hypocrisy.


 Just diagram the sentence,

Interesting that both you AND Aleisha are such grammarian gurus...


 Nate, and you will easily see it does NOT say what you claim.  Just as I did
 NOT say what June claimed.  Did you notice she then tried to start another
 controversy sex education?

What is controversial about sex education?  It is only controversial if YOU seek to 
make it so.

I was just responding to YOUR statement that sex should not be discussed with or 
around children.  I notice
you still have not answered the question.


 Don't you wonder why she posts so little except to attack
 the posts of others and keep the list in as much of an uproar as she
 possibly can?

If pointing out your mistakes and hyprocricy is keeping the list in 'an uproar', so be 
it...but again, if YOU
are sincere in your statement that you wish this list to maintain civility and fair 
play, then you yourself
should set the standard and stop playing mind games with the list...

Interesting, that when I HAVE sent articles to the list in the last week or so, you 
ignore them...


 So what exactly would you like done to Aleisha, an older woman from the past
 generation, stating her opinion?  Silence her?

Lord, yes!  You claim _I_ post so little, yet all the Aleisha subpersonality posts are 
innane rambling rants,
with absolutely NO documentation to substantiate the wild claims it makes.

And if you are going to say that it is okay for the Aleisha sub to post nothing but 
her personal opinions,
then why do you seek to silence ME in posting MY personal opinions?


 Amelia not acting as moderator as we started this exchange before that
 announcement

I thought that it was announced that you indeed were NOT going to be a moderator on 
this list after all.  Has
that changed?  Please spell out what your official role, if any, is on this list.


June

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[CTRL] Mind Games (was: [CTRL] NAZI POLICY TOWARD HOMOSEXUALS)

[Ynr Chyldz Wyld]

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From: "Amelia" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 There was one post that quoted both Aleshia and June and attributed it to
 me!  I began posting on this subject because I was tired of posters being
 shouted down.  You see, the list wa so much better when the exchange of
 information was free-flowing and people did not jump to conclusions and
 attack posters personally and liea bout what they said.

Then stop doing it.

Let's see...I've been on this list for years...you have been on it a few weeks (at 
least, under your current
guise)...yet you presume to pontificate about how the list USED TO BE?


 June posts about my
 "hew and cry" when in fact it is probably Aleisha's to whom she is
 referring.

Two peas in the same pod...or, more acurately, two personalities from the same 
psyche...


 Does every poster have to endorse and believe in every posts now?

No, but unless one clearly labels that one does not endorse the sentiments in the 
forwarded article, one
should not take high umbrage when readers rightfully take the article as 
representitive of the poster's own
personal views.  If one is going to be sending articles to the list with which one 
does NOT agree, and does
not clearly label the post as "FYI, not necessarily endorsed by sender), then the 
poster is just playing mind
games with the list, and would seem to be deliberately conducting a campaign to 
disrupt the list.


 If you post something positive about Cuba, will that mean you are a communist?

Of course it doesn't.  But it DOES imply the poster agrees with the country on 
whatever subject is being
discussed in the article.  If the poster does not and does not mention that, then the 
poster is deliberately
misleading the list, and should not get upset when readers react as if the poster DOES 
endorse the views in
the post.


 But now that I have seen the
 manner in which my attempts to restore some semblance of civility and fair
 play have been met,

HA!  More dissembling.  You seek to control and censor the list via your Miss Manners 
act.

Again I point out that I have been on this list almost since its inception, so YOU are 
hardly the one to
pontificate about how things used to be...


 I have nothing further to say to the list as a
 whole  on this worn out subject.--unless I am further attacked on list.

Then the rest of us can resign ourselves to seeing more of your long whines, as you 
feel that every time
someone points out your many mistakes and hypocricy, that you are being attacked.

And it's interesting that you and your subs feel free to attack ME with aplomb, but 
work your collective
selves into a tizzy every time someone disagrees with you, points out your mistakes 
and hypocricy, and asks
that you all provide some sort of documentation or evidence for your many 
extraordinary claims.


 Just diagram the sentence,

Strange that both you AND 'Aleisha' are such grammarian gurus...  ;-)


 Nate, and you will easily see it does NOT say what you claim.  Just as I did
 NOT say what June claimed.  Did you notice she then tried to start another
 controversy sex education?

What is controversial about sex education?  It is only controversial if YOU make it so.

I was just responding to your statement that sex should not be discussed with or 
around children.  And you
have STILL not answered the question, I see.


 Don't you wonder why she posts so little except to attack
 the posts of others and keep the list in as much of an uproar as she
 possibly can?

If pointing out your mistakes and hypocricy is keeping the list in an uproar, so be 
it.  But if you are
sincere in your statement regarding civility, then an easy way to achieve it is to 
stop posting your
disinformation and posts specifically designed to get the list in an uproar.

As for posting 'so little', I noticed that neither you nor your subs responded to the 
articles I sent within
the past week.  And I don't see 'Aleisha' sending anything worthwhile to the list.


 So what exactly would you like done to Aleisha, an older woman from the past
 generation, stating her opinion?  Silence her?

Lord, yes!  Unless 'Aleisha' is prepared to back up her innane rambling rants with 
something concrete, her
posts are just a waste of bandwidth, and take up an amount of daily allotted posts 
that could be better used
by other list members.

And if you are going to argue that it is perfectly okay for 'Aleisha' to post nothing 
but 'her' personal
opinion, then you have no basis to attack me for posting my own personal opinions.


 Amelia not acting as moderator as we started this exchange before that
 announcement

I thought it had been announced on this list that you would NOT become a 
moderator...has that changed?  Please
clarify what your official role, if any, is on this list.


June

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[CTRL] Fw: Can't He Ever Tell the Truth

[Amelia]

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Sent: Wednesday, September 20, 2000 8:01 AM
Subject: FW: Can't He Ever Tell the Truth


 Good grief.  Nothing this guy won't say.

 Aides concede Gore made up story
 
 By Dave Boyer and Sean Scully
 THE WASHINGTON TIMES
 
 Vice President Al Gore's indignant tale of a prescription drug costing
 more for his mother-in-law than for his dog came back to bite him
 yesterday when aides said the story was made up Mr. Gore, who told the
 anecdote in Florida to illustrate the need for his $253 billion drug plan
 for seniors, fabricated the cost of the drug itself, the comparative
doses
 for his pet and for Tipper's mom, and his family's bills for them.
 
 In fact, Gore aides yesterday could not say whether the candidate's
 mother-in-law, Margaret Ann Aitcheson, pays for the arthritis medication
 Lodine out of her own pocket or if the cost is covered by insurance. A
 spokesman for Republican presidential nominee George W. Bush said the
 episode was only the latest example of Mr. Gore's "troubling pattern of
 embellishing and exaggerating his plans and personal experiences." The
 vice president has exaggerated his role in the creation of Internet and
 claimed he and wife Tipper were the inspiration for the Erich Segal novel
 "Love Story." "This certainly underscores the fact that the vice
president
 will say anything to get elected," said Bush spokesman Karen Hughes. A
 Gore spokesman, Jano Cabrera, responded, "The only one who's inventing
 facts here are the Bush campaign.The facts are that Miss Aitcheson is
 prescribed Lodine." But other details that Mr. Gore presented as facts on
 Aug. 28 in Tallahassee are clearly wrong. Mr. Gore said he pays $37.80
per
 month for Shiloh, his 14-year-old black Labrador retriever, to take
 Etogesic, the animal version of Lodine. He said his mother-in-law's
 monthly bill is $108. At the time, Mr. Gore said of his family's
 predicament: "That's pretty bad when you have got to pretend to be a dog
 or a cat to get a price break." However, Gore aides acknowledged
yesterday
 that those figures are not the actual costs for Mr. Gore's family. They
 were borrowed instead from a House Democratic study on rising drug
prices.
 Mr. Cabrera could not say yesterday what the actual costs are for either
 the dog or Mrs. Aitcheson. "I'm not sure exactly what levels she takes or
 Shiloh takes," he said. And Mr. Gore's example wrongly assumed that both
 pet and human were taking the same dosage, which veterinarians say would
 cause serious digestive problems in a dog. Further, Mr. Gore misused the
 prices from the Democratic report because they represent the price to
 wholesalers, not the retail cost of the brand-name drug. Mr. Cabrera
 presented that inaccuracy yesterday as a positive for his boss. "Keep in
 mind they're paying retail costs, so [the disparity] is going to be only
 higher," he said. But asked whether Mr. Gore's mother-in-law has
insurance
 or pays out of pocket, Mr. Cabrera said, "I'll have to look into that."
 Another misleading feature of Mr. Gore's story,  first reported by the
 Boston Globe, is that 85 percent of the people who receive the medication
 take a generic version rather than the more costly brand-name Lodine. The
 Florida pharmacist who hosted a campaign event for Mr. Gore last month
 said most of his customers are too poor to receive the drug prescribed
for
 the vice president's mother-in-law. "Most of our customers are on
 Medicaid, and we have to give them the generic," said Wilmoth Baker of
 Baker's Pharmacy in Tallahassee. "I just took [the anecdote] as political
 rhetoric." Lodine costs about four times as much as its generic
 counterpart. A typical month's supply of the generic version for humans
 costs about $40, while the brand name costs about $160. Mr. Gore's basic
 premise is correct - prescription drugs in general do cost more for
humans
 than for pets. But a spokesman for the Pharmaceutical Research and
 Manufacturers of America (PRMA) said yesterday that aspect should not be
 surprising because federal law requires rigorous human clinical trials
 before a drug is declared safe for use. "Common sense would tell you that
 developing a drug for a person is far more costly than developing it for
a
 dog," said Jackie Cottrell. "This whole comparison is making us a little
 crazy." The PRMA said it takes 12 to 15 years and about $500 million on
 average to develop a safe and effective drug for humans. The Animal
Health
 Institute estimates that the average animal-only drug requires $20
million
 of research and development. Mrs. Hughes said Mr. Gore's mistake went
 beyond the simple mispronunciations by Mr. Bush that the vice president's
 campaign has delighted in reporting to the
 media. "This case is a direct misstatement of fact, which I think is far
 more serious," she told reporters aboard Mr. Bush's campaign plane. Mr.
 Gore's announcement of his prescription drug plan in Florida, one week
 before Mr. Bush proposed his own
 plan, is 

[CTRL] I have been on this list for over 3 years!

[Amelia]

-Caveat Lector-

June,
I don't have the exact date, but I have been on this list for almost 4
years.  Are you implying I have multiple personality disorder?  I have
always and only posted under my own name.  I have used one other address
akeyorkie@webtv some three years ago.  This  is a completely false
statement.  Again, this is very telling about your own tactics.

Sex education is NOT about telling children your own sexual orientation and
experiences.  the fact that you think it is downright scary.  If you are
doing such a thing, it is sexual abuse and you should get help immediately.

Again, I am not Aleut.  It is NOT required that a poster label an article as
to whether it contains theri personal beliefs or not.  That is none of your
business unless the poster chooses to share that.  As for Miss Manners,
well, your lack of civility speaks for itself.

My "official position" is that I am going to be on the lookout for newcomers
while Kris does his symposium and if you have a problem with that, you take
it up with Kris.  I will help him in any way I can because I appreciate the
wealth of information he has posted and the fact that this list exists.

So once again you have posted complete misinformation about me.  I think you
should apologize for this latest lie that I have only been on the list for a
few weeks.  You do know what an apology is, don't you?  But I now wonder if
you know the truth from a lie.
Amelia










- Original Message -
From: "Ynr Chyldz Wyld" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, September 20, 2000 8:10 AM
Subject: [CTRL] Mind Games (was: NAZI POLICY TOWARD HOMOSEXUALS)


 -Caveat Lector-

 From: "Amelia" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  There was one post that quoted both Aleshia and June and attributed it
to
  me!  I began posting on this subject because I was tired of posters
being
  shouted down.

 No, you seek to control and censor the list along the lines of your own
prejudices.


  You see, the list wa so much better when the exchange of
  information was free-flowing and people did not jump to conclusions and
  attack posters personally and liea bout what they said.

 Then stop doing it.

 BTW, I've been on this list for years, compared to your few weeks (at
least under your current guise)...so you
 are hardly the person to lecture about how much 'better' the list used to
be...


  June posts about my
  "hew and cry" when in fact it is probably Aleisha's to whom she is
  referring.

 One and the same.

 And under your 'Amelia' guise you HAVE whined long and loud about
homosexuals...


  Does every poster have to endorse and believe in every posts now?

 No, but anyone sending an article to the list with which they don't agree
should clearly label it as such.
 Anyone who consistently sends articles to the list with which they don't
agree and who does NOT clearly
 mention that it is "FYI, not necessarily endorsed by sender" is just
playing mind games with the list, and
 obviously intent on a campaign to disrupt the list.


  If you post something positive about Cuba, will that mean you are a
communist?

 Of course it doesn't, but it DOES imply that the poster agrees with the
country on whatever is being discussed
 in the article.  If the person sending it does not, then they should
clearly state that.

 And if they don't clarify their stance, then they shouldn't take high
umbrage when readers think that the
 sender agrees with the sentiments within the article.


  But now that I have seen the
  manner in which my attempts to restore some semblance of civility and
fair
  play have been met,

 Ha!  More dissembling.  You seek to control and censor the list under the
guise of your Miss Manners act.

 BTW, I've been on this list for years, compared to your few weeks (at
least under your current guise); so you
 are hardly the one to pontificate about 'restoring' the list to
anything...

 But if you are sincere in your wish to 'restore some semblance of civility
and fair play', then stop sending
 your disinformation posts; those like you who stir the pot to see what
boils should not complain when you get
 burned in the process.


  I have nothing further to say to the list as a
  whole  on this worn out subject.--unless I am further attacked on list.

 Then we can resign ourselves to the fact that you will continue to post
your whining rants, as you feel that
 any disagreement with you is a personal attack.

 And it is interesting that you and your subs feel free to attack ME with
aplomb at every opportunity, yet work
 yourselves into a tizzy every time someone dares to point out the numerous
instances of your mistakes and
 hypocrisy.


  Just diagram the sentence,

 Interesting that both you AND Aleisha are such grammarian gurus...


  Nate, and you will easily see it does NOT say what you claim.  Just as I
did
  NOT say what June claimed.  Did you notice she then tried to start
another
  controversy sex education?

 What is controversial about sex education?  

Re: [CTRL] Mind Games (was: [CTRL] NAZI POLICY TOWARD HOMOSEXUALS)

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The real waste of bandwidth is that this identical post was sent to the
list FOUR TIMES!

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Re: [CTRL] Psychology of Conspiracy Theories - CFP

[Ynr Chyldz Wyld]

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From: "Justine Blake" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Farrakhan has eyes to see and is teaching his people very well the nature of
 racism. And they rise up to the challenge, even with AK-47s.

So, Justin...is that what you are advocating?  That your fellow homophobes rise up 
with AK-47s and break down
flesh and blood to institute your own fundamentalist religious world order?

Wouldn't you be happier living in Iraq or Afghanistan?


 Christians know the beauty of their weapons. It's spiritual warfare and it's
 time to dust them off and look at them once again, get the feel of them,
 admire them Slow train coming down the track...

 And it's spiritual warfare, flesh and blood breaking down. You either got
 faith or you got unbelief -- and there is NO Neutral Ground.

And where does the Constitution and Bill of Rights fit in your new fundie world order?


June

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[CTRL] Fergie's Former Aide charged with Murder

[Amelia]

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[CTRL] IMF chief says Euro Undervalued

[Amelia]

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[CTRL] Cuban Plane Crash survivors

[Amelia]

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Re: [CTRL] Keep the Homophobes Out of Our Discussion

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 My complaints about the demonization of the BSA is about the TRUE public
 places. Take Nat'l parks for example,
 they are truly public not pseudo-public like a public school. That's
 what gets my ire up. I could care less about any
 schools that quit supporting the BSA. That's their preogative.

But that's exactly what prompted the thread, articles that mentioned that in 
Massachusetts and Florida, local
school districts are now denying the BSA the use of schools to hold meetings in.  This 
prompted your fellow
homophobes to decry this 'attack' on the BSA.

Any private group wishing to use a public facility after regular school hours is 
expected to pay a fee, to
help cover the costs of keeping janitorial crew on site to clean and lock up 
afterwards, the cost of
electricity and heating, etc.  If the BSA wishes to continue to utilize these sites 
for their meeting, let
them pay a fee like everyone else.


  Whatever slant/rant I have is not 'lesbian/home', since I'm straight...

 That's what I was hoping now do yourself and the rest of us a big favor.
 Go get laid.

This is one of the most blatant examples of sexism one can see...

Why would you think 'getting laid' would change my opinion, when it hasn't yet?

While YOU may have your brain directly wired to your genitals, most of the rest of us 
do not...

It's men like you that turn women into lesbians...


June

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[CTRL] Fw: St. John's Wort as Effective as Antidepressant Drug 9/17/00

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Let's see--I am supposed to announce whether or not I believe this.  I have
not decided as yet.  And that is what the "Caveat Lector" is all about. Plus
my personal beliefs are none of anybody else's business. How does this tie
into conspiracies?  Major pharmaceutical companies are attempting to prevent
free access to alternatives to their products.  These products could be
equally beneficial as the very costly traditional ones.  Any other
information required to post an article?

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[CTRL] Al Martin Raw: Secrets of Iran-Contra

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Government Insider Al Martin
Tells a Story of True Conspiracy

WHAT IF a criminal cabal, a de facto white-collar crime syndicate, took over
the US Government and used its systems and operations for its own profit?

According to former government operative whistleblower Al Martin, this is
exactly what happened.

Al Martin is the Man Who Knows Too Much.

A self-described fourth level player of Iran Contra, Martin has first hand
knowledge of the dirty deals, high-level scams, frauds, and treasonous
activities of the US Shadow Government.

Al Martin's new electronic book-manuscript called "The Conspirators: Secrets
of an Iran Contra Insider" is a true crime story that's too hot for
mainstream media.

It's a shocking expose' of Iran Contra scandals and it's totally uncensored.

This book is a hidden history of American corruption in the 1980s. And 1990s.
Even until the present day.

His eye-witness accounts include first-hand knowledge of US Government drug
trafficking, illegal weapons deals, as well as wholesale fraud by government
perps -- securities fraud, real estate fraud, and insurance fraud.

Because of these criminal-government schemes, losses for taxpayers are in the
hundreds of billions of dollars. And growing.

When George Bush, Bill Casey and Oliver North initiated their plan of
State-sanctioned fraud and drug smuggling, they envisioned using 500 men to
raise $35 billion.

When Iran Contra finally fell apart, they had ended up using 5,000 operatives
and making $350 billion.

And who is Al Martin? After Al Martin retired as a Lt. Commander from the US
Naval Reserves, his life went into the fast lane as a black ops specialist.
His first intelligence assignment was in Peru, then he was tapped for a
CIA-sanctioned operation smuggling American Express cards into Argentina in
1979.

After that he met US Government-sponsored con man Lawrence Richard Hamil, a
Department of Defense shadow player, who taught him the ropes of profitable
covert operations.

In 1984, Martin began marketing Hamil's "deals" through his Florida based
Southeast Resources, Inc.

At a meeting with General Richard V. Secord and Hamil, Martin was briefed
about Iran Contra operations and allowed to view voluminous CIA white papers
concerning Operation Black Eagle, the code-name for the Bush-Casey-North
program involving US Government-sanctioned narcotics trafficking, illicit
weapons deals and wholesale fraud.

Now Al Martin tells the facts that mainstream media has ignored or covered-up
for over 15 years.

He names names, dates and events which no one has dared write or publish
before.

This entire uncensored manuscript of "The Conspirators" includes 337 pages of
Al Martin raw and uncensored.

Here are the chapter titles:

1. Confidential File: Alexander S. Martin
2. The National Programs Office (NPO) and Operation Sledgehammer
3. Oliver North: The Money Laundering Drug Smuggling "Patriot"
4. "Do Nothing" Janet Reno and Iran-Contra Suppression
5. Classified Illegal Operations: Cordoba Harbor and Screw Worm
6. The Don Austin Case
7. Bush Family Fraud  Iran-Contra Profiteering
8. Insider Stock Swindles for "The Cause"
9. Corporate Fraud, Stock Fraud and Other Scams
10. The Tri-Lateral Investment Group - Bush Family Fraud
11. Lawrence Richard Hamil: The US Government's Con Man
12. US Government Narcotics Smuggling  Illicit Weapons Sales
13. US Government Sanctioned Drug Trafficking
14. The Chinese Connection: US Weapons  High Tech Graft
15. More Iran-Contra Stories: Both Humorous  Salient
16. Chinese Money for US Weapons
17. US Government Narcotics Smuggling (Part 2)
18. In Hiding Again
19. Corporate Fraud, Government Fraud and More Fraud
20. The Real Story of Operation Watchtower
21. KGB  East German Intel Activities in the US (1985-87)
22. Bush Family Corporate, Real Estate, and Bank Frauds
23. Iran-Contra Real Estate Fraud
24. More Chinese-Military Connections
25. ONI, CZX  Orpheus

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Em Hotep, Peace Be,
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[CTRL] Scientists I.D. Christ's fingerprint - Nonsense of Icke - the Christ Conspiracy

[Ole Gerstrøm]

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NSA wrote:

Au contraire, contraire! Have to agree with J2 "That's because he's an
idiot, a liar, and a fool who will make up shit to sell books." Such truly
is an appropriate claim for the utter crap peddled by self-proclaimed "son
of god" loon David Icke, 

Dear NSA,

You make some wild and crazy accusations against David Icke without any argument
or any bit of support facts. Are you a disinformer?

Icke is a wise and courageous man. If he has made errors, he would like to be 
corrected.
But what he has contributed, places him among the finest.

Are you a real person, or are you a representation of this sinister american 
organization of spooks?

Love, Ole Gerstrom, Copenhagen, Denmark

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[CTRL] Psychology of Conspiracy Theories - CFP

[Justine Blake]

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Who is kidding who?   This country is being set for the kill by a handful
of evil pepole - evil is, as evil does and by their fruits, you shall know
them - as they say it is not the snake in the open but the one in the grass
that is deadly.   Smart man told me that once - the enemy within who walks
and talks as you do but in secret is like a Henry Kissinger, KGB Agent code
name Bor.
A. Saba

Absolutely.

There is no more need for "debate" with those under the influence of satanic
forces, those guilt-ridden liberals who don't even know their own minds,
those straights who act as apologists for the sodomites and help them push
their homosexual agenda, under the guise of "tolerance". Conscript parents
of sodomites, brain- wash them into politikal korrektness and get them on
PBS talking, writing articles.

What could be more absurd than a straight person "helping" the militant
homosexual agenda? Straights under the guise of "religion" too, helping the
sodomites to call it  "good" to heckle and boo the boys of the BSA (what
ever happened to all the "to do" over the "children"? Do sodomites ummm
"care" about these boys when their own agenda is at stake? Does it look like
it?). And helping the sodomites to call it "good" that sodomite propaganda
and brain-washing has infiltrated the kindergarten and elementary sckools of
Amerika. And sodomites big thing in life is "Mentoring". Wouldn't they
*love* to be in the position of...

Those change agents and facilitators trained by the GLSEN and other groups,
backed by Marxist, Leninist, and Socialist thought, and behind them Nazi
tactics, working on those guilt-ridden liberal fools.

Soft Christians trying to live by Jesus' words, "loving the sinner but
hating the sin". Meanwhile, being double-minded and konfused, the enemy
enters their schools and is after their boy scouts.

Farrakhan has eyes to see and is teaching his people very well the nature of
racism. And they rise up to the challenge, even with AK-47s.

Farrakhan teaches well the nature of things.

Pat Robertson helps to speak for almost long-forgotten morality. Laura
Schlessinger too. And those poor outraged rabbis having a fit that sodomites
are in their holocaust museum.

Christians know the beauty of their weapons. It's spiritual warfare and it's
time to dust them off and look at them once again, get the feel of them,
admire them Slow train coming down the track...

And it's spiritual warfare, flesh and blood breaking down. You either got
faith or you got unbelief -- and there is NO Neutral Ground.
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[CTRL] SNET: It Bears Repeating......Again (fwd)

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visit my web site at  http://www.voicenet.com/~wbacon
My ICQ# is 79071904

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A  VISITOR  FROM  THE  PAST

I had a dream the other night, I didn't understand,
A figure walking through the mist with flintlock in his hand.
His clothes were torn and dirty as he stood there by my bed,
He took off his three cornered hat, and speaking low, he said:

"We fought a revolution to secure our liberty.
We wrote the Constitution as a shield from tyranny.
For future generations this legacy we gave.
In this, the land of the free and the home of the brave.

You buy permits to travel, and permits to own a gun,
Permits to start a business, or to build a place for one.
On land that you believe you own, you pay a yearly rent.
Although you have no voice in choosing how the money's spent.

Your children must attend a school, that doesn't educate.
Your Christian values can't be taught, according to the state.
You read about the current news in a regulated press.
You pay a tax you do not owe, to please the I.R.S.

Your money is no longer made of Silver, or of Gold.
You trade your wealth for paper, so your life can be controlled.
You pay for crimes that make our Nation turn from God in shame.
You've taken Satan's number as you've traded in your name.

You've given government control, to those who do you harm,
So they can padlock churches, and steal the family farm;
And keep our country deep in debt, put men of God in jail,
Harass your fellow countrymen, while corrupted courts prevail.

Your public servants don't uphold the solemn oath they've sworn.
Your daughters visit doctors so their children won't be born.
Your leaders ship artillery and guns to foreign shores.
And send your sons to slaughter, fighting other people's wars.

Can you regain the freedom for which we fought and died?
Or don't you have the courage, or the faith to stand with pride
Are there no more values, for which you'll fight to save?
Or do you wish your children, live in fear and be a slave

Sons of the Republic, arise and take a stand
Defend the Constitution, the Supreme Law of the Land
Preserve our great Republic, and each GOD-Given Right.
And pray to GOD to keep the torch of Freedom burning bright."

As I awoke he vanished, in the mist from whence he came.
His words were true, we are not free, we have ourselves to blame.
For even now as tyrants, trample each God-Given Right.
We only watch and tremble, too afraid to stand and fight.

If he stood by your bedside, in a dream, while you're asleep,
And wondered what remains of our Rights he fought to keep;
What would be your answer, if he called out from the Grave:
IS THIS STILL THE LAND OF THE FREE AND THE HOME OF THE BRAVE ?


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[CTRL] Brain-Updating Machinery May Explain False Memories

[J Taylor]

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NEW YORK TIMES
September 19, 2000

Brain-Updating Machinery May Explain False Memories
By SANDRA BLAKESLEE

Scientists may have found a biological reason to explain why two people who
witness the same event will, years later, often have different memories of
what happened.
It seems that every time an old memory is pulled into consciousness, the
brain takes it apart, updates it and then makes new proteins in the process
of putting the memory back into long-term storage. The fact that new
proteins are made means that the memory has been transformed permanently to
reflect each person's life experiences - not the memory itself.
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[CTRL] Book Maps a Nation's Spurts of Clean Living

[J Taylor]

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New York Times
September 19, 2000

Book Maps a Nation's Spurts of Clean Living

 In the fall of 1977 the American Cancer Society organized the
 first national "Great American Smokeout," urging smokers to quit
 for a day. Within five years, Jerry Falwell founded the Moral
 Majority and Jane Fonda sold millions of aerobics videos. Dr. Ruth
 Clifford Engs, a professor of applied health science at Indiana
 University in Bloomington sees a connection.

 In her new book "Clean Living Movements: American Cycles of Health
 Reform" (Praeger), Dr. Engs shows how Americans' fervor for
 self-improvement occurs in spurts. And interest in health and
 religion usually occurs at the same time. Her book traces the
 nation's obsessions with food, diet and religion and describes a
 country of extremists, who embrace preventive health and rigid
 moral codes one generation only to rail against them the next.

 So far, Dr. Engs say, Americans have experienced three so-called
 clean-living movements. Each one involved campaigns against
 tobacco, alcohol and premarital sex. Dr. Engs tracks the cultural
 forces that prompt each movement and those that set off each
 rebellion against health, and the story is told in an appealing way
 for mass audiences. But it is being marketed for scholars and is
 listed at $69.50.

 In a telephone interview, Dr. Engs described her findings: "Our
 country was founded in an era of ferment. We were founded in an
 awakening, and we usually have them about every 80 years. They
 usually start with a conservative religious awakening that goes
 into health concerns, with alcohol as one thread, another thread is
 fitness, and another is some aspect of sexuality. There is also a
 concern about producing the perfect baby."

 The question, she added, is why the fervor fades. Sometimes, Dr.
 Engs said, one generation believes healthy living will solve all
 society's woes, but when problems continue, the next generation
 loses faith. And eventually, new reformers start the cycle again.

 Though specifics vary, Dr. Engs shows similarities among the
 movements. Health zealots through the ages have urged Americans to
 exercise and avoid greasy food, meat, alcohol and tobacco. Many of
 these movements, she says, are prompted more by morality than new
 medical knowledge. In the 1830's, for instance, health reformers
 pleaded with Americans to quit smoking not so much because it was a
 health hazard but because it was considered "morally depraved."

 Whether a reader goes along with her theory, the book is chock full
 of amusing anecdotes and brief biographies of those she calls
 health fanatics. Mr. Falwell and Ms. Fonda continue a long American
 tradition of believers, preaching their gospel of moral or physical
 fitness.

 In the first "Clean Living Movement," which the author says
 occurred from about 1830 to 1860, the Mormons and Seventh-day
 Adventists preached salvation through healthy living. Charles
 Grandison Finney, a Presbyterian preacher and lawyer-turned-
 evangelist crusaded against alcohol, coffee, tea and meat. At the
 same time, the American Temperance Society and the American
 Anti-Tobacco Society were founded.

 These were the days of Sylvester Graham, who started "Grahamism,"
 which advocated hard beds, cold baths, vegetarian diets, wheat
 bread and gave rise to the Graham cracker. He persuaded followers
 to avoid fried foods, butter, pastries and salt pork and to drink
 pure water only.

 Health advocates also condemned women's fashion of tight corsets
 and long dresses. They believed the outfits damaged internal organs
 and debilitated women so much that they would give birth to weak
 offspring. Amelia Jenks Bloomer, a women's rights advocate,
 designed a new outfit the "bloomer" suitable for outdoor exercise
 and physical activity. The Fowlers Orson; his brother, Lorenzo; and
 Lorenzo's wife, Dr. Lydia Folger Fowler wrote and published books
 and newsletters instructing couples on how to make better babies.
 They warned against marrying women with indigestion, liver
 complaints, melancholia or heartburn. Those kind of folk, they
 said, should not have children. Truly "superior offspring," they
 added, could only be obtained when lovers engaged in a "spiritual
 banquet of love." In other words, the woman had to have an orgasm.

 The First Clean Living Movement lost momentum to the Civil War.

 The second movement, from 1880 to 1920, included the founding of
 the Y.M.C.A., the New Thought Movement, which encouraged believers
 to replace negative thoughts with positive ones, and a new slew of
 fitness fanatics. Bernarr Macfadden was the exercise guru of the
 1890's. He invented muscle- 

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Subject: Encouraging Conspiratorial Absurdities
Date: Thursday, July 20, 2000 3:08 PM


"To protect their capacity to operate under the radar of popular
awareness, the establishment promotes and encourages the
impression of a linkage between themselves and an encyclopedia of
conspiratorial absurdities. In this way, many of the people who
might otherwise provide a reasoned account of the identities and
methods of the establishment are bamboozled, and wind up sounding
like, or in fact being, lunatics."

"In particular, stories of establishment involvement with
extraterrestrial visitors and paranormal phenomena thwart the
efforts of many to distinguish the real from the fictitious.
Chris Carter's ``X Files'' and ``Millennium'' are inheritors of a
prodigious legacy of programs that encourage this confusion. More
than simply acting as intellectual equivalents of radar chaffe
and heat flares, these programs deflect blame to an unaccountable
and incomprehensible ``other.'' Since this type of paranoid
conspiratorial pseudscience horror programming is naturally
appealing to some writers and producers, the establishment need
only covertly grease the path to assure some of this programming
is budgeted and distributed for maximum effect."

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  --1--

DEBATE AT FORT AMERICA
BY DAVID H. HACKWORTH

Finally, after much dancing and jabbing, the two major contenders for the
Oval Office have agreed to slug it out face to face. Since our warriors are
the first ones at risk when the Prez says "go," it would be only fitting if
the candidates agree to at least one debate at Fort America. Then the troops
would know they're not taken for granted and that their voices count in the
democracy they've taken an oath to defend with their lives.

Here are a few questions our warriors have sent my way:

Marine grunt: "Mr. Bush, since your dad sent us to Somalia in 1992, we've
been doing Meals On Wheels missions around the globe that have nothing to do
with defending our country. Do you intend to continue these, or employ us
only when America's security interests are genuinely involved?"

Navy fighter pilot: "Mr. Gore, every year since '92 we've been flying fewer
hours. Now our tactical proficiency's down the tubes. During the Serbia War
we missed half of our targets. Vice Adm. John Nathman said recently that
Naval Air will soon be unable to do the job. What'll you do to change this?"

Army sergeant major: "Mr. Bush, I've been wearing this uniform since 1969 and
have never seen more self-serving senior leaders than we have today. This
observation is supported by the thousands of our best and brightest who're
walking. We've recently caught generals hitting on their aides' wives,
stealing and lying. And look at top dog Gen. Hugh Shelton, who's been
insisting our readiness status is 'good to go.' Even a recruit knows we can't
do even another Desert Storm. What're you planning to do about cleaning up
the senior ranks and returning the trust that once existed from the top of
the Army to the bottom -- which in today's Army is as out of fashion as a
pair of old brown boots?"

Air Force maintenance sergeant: "Mr. Gore, most of the aircraft we have are
older than my airmen who turn the wrenches. Spare parts are as hard to find
as a 50-buck loan the day before payday. More than 40 percent of our
squadrons couldn't hack a hot operational mission. How'll you turn this
around?"

Marine major: "Mr. Bush, our armed forces are still organized to fight the
Cold War. Our platforms -- tanks, ships and aircraft -- are old and obsolete
for the kind of wars we'll fight this century. What's your vision for
modernization?"

Army sergeant major: "Mr. Gore, the last nonpolitical, nonwheeler-dealer
SecDef we've had was George Marshall. Even Bevis and Butt-head know we gotta
reorganize our forces and hunker down for some hairy fights down the track
that'll be nothing like the past. I reckon your choice as SecDef will be the
most important cabinet position you'll fill. We need someone who will cut the
flab, waste, redundancy and duplication. Just whom do you have in mind?"

Navy commander: "Mr. Bush, besides having an organization that's changed
little since George Washington crossed the Delaware, a worry most of us in
the profession of arms have is that America's basically been rudderless since
the end of the Cold War. There's no national strategy. What is your vision
for our national security?"

Air Force sergeant: "Mr. Gore, you're on record that as president you'll
permit homosexuals to openly serve. Many of my buddies say they'll leave the
service if this happens. The experts from war-fighters to military
sociologists say such a policy would destroy morale, unit cohesion and
teamwork. Has this information caused you to change your mind?"

Army drill sergeant: "Mr. Bush, each year Sensitivity and Consideration for
Others Training becomes more important than combat drills. Gender-bending by
pushing women into jobs they can't handle has lowered the standards. The
warrior ethic has all but disappeared. Basic training's become a joke. We
don't create warriors anymore, we produce cheerleaders. Sadly, all this
politically correct jazz started on your father's watch. Do you intend to
turn this dangerous trend around?"

Maybe you'll have a chance to ask your pols these questions yourself when
they come around begging for your vote. Surely, the Joes and Janes that do
the dying deserve some answers!
***
©2000 David H. Hackworth
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Feedback to "A sailor with 20 who quit" by Art Cox

Hack,

Regarding "A sailor with 20 who quit", has someone disconnected his
telephone? DoD has a "Fraud, Waste and Abuse" hotline that was created so
things 

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  SUBJECT: .50 Caliber Rifles
  CC: Rep. Mark Sanford, Rep. Robert Barr, Sen. Strom Thurmond,
  Sen. Ernest Hollings
  
  NUMBER OF PAGES: I (Including cover page)
  
  I have become aware of your furtive attempt to infringe upon my
  ownership of my Barrett rifle. I am a former Captain USMC, state
  marksmanship champion, NRA member, member of the Fifty Caliber Shooter's
  Association and an avid hunter of deer and hogs. To my knowledge, no .50
  caliber rifle has ever been used in the commission of a crime. My rifle
  cost $6,750. The telescope on the rifle cost $4,500. The ammunition I
  most often shoot costs @ $4.00 per round. While I tell you this,
  understand that what I'm trying to tell you is that I would be an idiot
  to spend $11,000 on a rifle to risk losing it in the legal aftermath of
  its illegal use. Get the hell out of my personal life and go play kissy
  face with Diane Feinstein, Barney Frank, Charles Schumer and those other
  leftists.
  
  I am now an investment banker and make $400,000 per year. I also have a
  Harley Davidson motorcycle and several cars with V-8 engines. Are you
  next going to tell me I don't NEED a V-8 engine ... don't NEED such a
  heavy, powerful motorcycle ... don't NEED a house with five bedrooms ...
  don't NEED a wife with such large breasts...don't NEED a dog with such
  sharp teeth and so on?
  
  This kind of "Chicken Little" reactionary noise is entirely useless. I
  am going to notify every legislator in my food chain that they need to
  take you behind the Capital and beat the crap out of you.
  
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SOLDIERS FOR THE TRUTH
"DEFENDING AMERICA NEWSLETTER"

20 September 2000 -- "Guard, Reserves and the Political Race"

"When we assumed the Soldier, we did not lay aside the Citizen."
General George Washington, New York Legislature, 1775

"Our militia will be heroes, if we have heroes to lead them."
Thomas Jefferson

Soldiers For The Truth Foundation, PO Box 63840, Colorado Springs, CO
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HTTP://WWW.SFTT.ORG
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TABLE OF CONTENTS:

SITREP from the President
HOT BUTTONS!

Hack's Column:
Debate at Fort America

"Through the Primary Gun Sight"
Article 1 - An all new (?) Total Army Concept could destroy the Guard and
Reserves

The Big Picture:
Article 2 - National Guard, Army to align
Article 3 - Navy: Sailors threaten Navy's Urinals
Article 4 - Army Readiness - Proof of Rot
Article 5 -- Army: Forward deployed and only marginally ready
Article 6 -- Air Force: AirMEN preferred for SWA Deployments
Article 7 -- Parents speaking out: Broken promises and misuse of Personnel
Article 8 - Injured Jumper released from Base Hospital with multiple Pelvic
Fractures
Article 9 -- Air Force: Use scarce time for Readiness Training and not
Compliance Drills
Article 10 - Comments from the Frontlines
Article 11 - Memory Lane WWII: Mr. Servoise
Article 12 -- Quality of Life Update: Fat Cats in a Rat Factory

G.I Humor:
Article 13 -- GI HUMOR - A visit at the Russian Staff College

Medal of Honor:
Article 14 -- The Story of Andrew's Raiders

SITREP:

1. Main topics: 1) Readiness in political debate 2) Guard and Reserves 3)
Questionable readiness priorities 4) Reader opinions 5) Voices from the
Frontlines 6) Quality of Life/Healthcare

THIS IS AN ABBREVIATED SFTT NEWSLETTER. It consists of the full table of
contents, our SITREP and the first two articles. You can obtain the rest of
the newsletter from our website at www.sftt.org.

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of the scathing criticism. Our ground troops are working hard to come up with
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ARTICLE 4
~~~
Army Readiness - Proof of Rot
~~~
Ed.: Smell the decay? This readiness report made me retch. It explicitly
describes why we are not ready to fight - manning superfluous positions,
overemphasis on the wrong training items, useless competitions, and not
letting NCO's conduct critical hands-on training, with exception of Sergeants
Time, once a week. Not the norm some of you will say. Think again! Not long
ago, I fought similar mismanagement of time and resources in a frontline tank
battalion. It hasn't changed yet, although a few islands of sanity are
appearing.
***

By Ken M., Staff Sergeant, now Army National Guard

I am a recently discharged NCO, with nine years of active service, four years
in Special Operations, four in the Infantry of the 101st, and one in a
support battalion in Korea.

It was my last tour in the support battalion as a medical platoon sergeant
that convinced me to pull the plug.

I was in Korea at the time the guys from the north and south were shooting at
each other in the Sea of Japan. It is our response to this incident that
prompted me to write.

My specialty was filled with the number of troops I was authorized. But ...
they really did not exist in my platoon formation: One was the Battalion
Commander's secretary, three assigned to support the troop medical clinic,
one NCO was tasked to the Department of Public Works, one assigned as the
Command Sergeant Major's "runner", one NCO tasked to be the Battalion Master
Driver, and two assigned to the orderly room as clerks. This made up 30% of
the soldiers I was tasked to train to fight survive and win in combat.

A week of the training schedule looked as follows: Daily PT, mostly runs, at
a knee-burning slow pace that allowed even the fattest non-soldiers to finish
with the team.

Mondays: Motor Stables and Commander's Time (weapons maintenance). The Motor
Stables were a farce. We were in the most forward deployed division in the
army, and still working on deuce-and-a-half trucks that we were ordered not
to order parts for (they were to be replaced by the new LMTV later this year-
vehicles that I had signed for at Fort Campbell two years prior).

The deuces were older than anyone in my company, and only ran because of
careful ministrations from my diligent troops. We had tracked M113A3
ambulances. The entire time I was there (14 months), only 75 percent were
truly functional, although not meeting the guidelines to be "deadlined" and
show up on the Commander's hot list.

Commander's time was meant to do maintenance on all of the other items of
equipment that we were assigned. It mostly involved cleaning weapons, as they
were the only items inspected by the command. Our NBC gear, radios, crypto
stuff, and pro-masks were neglected.

Tuesdays were typically occupied in part by mandatory briefing by
higher-level commanders. The subjects included Equal Opportunity, Sexual
Harassment, Consideration of Others classes, fraternization policies, Korean
relations and the like. The remainder of the day was typically spent
finishing whatever maintenance was left over from the previous day.

Wednesdays were training meetings for the leaders. This half-day event was
used to discuss the next eight weeks of training (doctrinally six) and the
previous week on a TPU (trained, needs practice, untrained) scale. It was a
horrible sin to declare an element U- untrained in some task. That simply did
not brief well. Instead P minus or simply P were used. Briefs much better.
The soldiers were concurrently working on broken vehicles, or trying to get a
head start on the weekly grounds maintenance

Thursdays were Sergeant's Time. This is the day set aside to perform training
on the units declared "go to war" critical tasks. The uniforms looked good
but the training typically shoddy -- lack of funds, or lack of trained
trainers. It inevitably led to an increase in the P and U ratings at the next
training meeting. The afternoon was spent teaching medical skills at a
remedial level to soldiers who were fresh from medical AIT, and had failed to
grasp them there. I had a medical PFC miss three consecutive IVs on me during
a hip-pocket training event, whereas 100% of my combat lifesaver class the
previous week got first time GOs.

Fridays were generally grounds maintenance days and longer PT runs. They also
included finishing up any tasks with the vehicles left undone.

At least one day near the end of each month was burned because some mandatory
briefing had to be performed before the calendar page turned, and had somehow
been neglected.

The training hours were mandated. PT would last a prescribed length of time.
The duty day was a certain number of hours. The result was a unit that
briefed well, looked good in garrison, but had absolutely no warfighting
ability.

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ARTICLE 10

Voices from the Frontlines


From Korea

I am an NCO and I have so many "butter bars" and young captains in my
business that it isn't fun anymore. Whatever happened to officers who planned
and made smart decisions and NCOs who executed the mission?

I am totally surrounded by officers who are more worried about their
efficiency reports than being worried that our tanks can shoot, move and
communicate.

I deadline the rides and they just circle X them or ignore my troubleshooting
altogether. I am dedicated to sending tankers into battle with the best
equipment I can provide them with. If our leaders want them to go with
anything less, it's on them and it will cost...
---

From the Flight Deck

We just read the piece from the Washington Post about us showing the Chinese
how we fight a joint conflict. It could not have come at a more interesting
time for me.

Shortly, a Chinese Navy 2-star Admiral is coming for a tour of the USS CARL
VINSON (CVN 70). We are spending the next couple of days (and possibly the
weekend) doing nothing but cleaning (with a small exception for a General
Quarters Drill), so the ship is spotless for his arrival.

Rumor has it that he is also pushing for a tour of Naval Submarine Base
Bangor and one of our SSBNs stationed there. Last time we checked, China
wasn't our best friend, maybe we shouldn't be rolling out the red carpet...
---

From Bosnia

We are eight troops assigned to the Turkish army base camp far from the
flagpole. I want to let you know that the Army, the good tough Army we knew
and know...is alive and well here.

We have a tough job but the kids suck it up and drive on. I was distressed to
hear the story related by the NCO in this WED newsletter. I can only speak
for my tiny slice of the green...but I assure you, it is squared away, tough
and professional.

I had volunteered for this assignment. It has taken a toll on the family and
the finances have suffered, but it was a good choice. I've made a difference
here and made some great friends with Turkish and American warriors. It has
been a long 9 months here but I (we) would not have traded it for anything.
We will re-deploy back to the states in several days and our memory bags are
full!

===
ARTICLE 11
~
Memory Lane: Mr. Servoise
~
Ed.: A touching story, submitted by Abe Sternberg. A Frenchman recalls the
liberation by US Forces and the joyful reaction of a French WWI veteran with
the Big Red One, a unit he had known from his own days in the trenches.
***
By Jean

I was preparing documents for my friend Leonard Jiminez, whose father is a
WWII " Blue and Gray" veteran, on the eve of the 56th anniversary of my
Liberation by the U.S Army. As I was writing, I remembered a story I never
told.

It happened on 29 August 1944. I met the U.S Army on the late afternoon of 28
August but no American troops passed by my grandmother's village before the
next morning.

In front of our house lived a WWI disabled veteran. His name was Georges
SERVOISE.
Before the war, I only saw him in his small garden, as he picked up some
licorice. Because of his wounds, he could only walk a few yards and always
helped himself with two crutches.

His sisters used to come everyday to take care of him. Mr Servoise' s house
was at the corner of a small grassy path that we had to take to go to the
fountain about forty yards farther along.

We had a ceremonial to respect that my grandmother dictated. The first time
of the day I had to go to the fountain, was the first salute: " Good morning,
Mr Servoise!" The old man replied the salute: " Good morning Johnny!" The
next time (we had no water at home) there were other salutes: " Mr Servoise,
are you fine?" The old soldier replied: " I'm fine!" Nothing else.

The months and years rolling he did not walk outside anymore. Now, I realize
how hard was the life " between the two wars" in the North East of France.
The old ones, unable to walk outside, used to stay at home in a chair next to
a window, looking outside for some passer-by.

And it seems that it was not the use to visit them except the next of kin.
It's a fact that in southern France people were more cooperative with the old
ones who received several visits everyday. Well, so we lived and Mr Servoise,
if I recall, never asked us for any help.

And then came the famous 29 August 1944 that I called "MY DAY." In the
morning, when the first Americans stopped in the village, they were coming by
a small road which is between my grandmother's house and in front of Mr
Servoise's.

They stopped and it was great for all of us, involving me as THE 

Re: [CTRL] Jesus Christ is a Myth

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Who are you addressing?

Shell Bell wrote:

 -Caveat Lector-

 I agree that the name JESUS is a pagen myth but i do not belive that yasuha
 the man son of yah was.

As you state, this is your belief. Your beliefs are your business. But your
beliefs are not what is under discussion here. The historicity of Jesus/Yeshu
is what's under discussion here.

 i also belive that before you send such strong
 oppinons you should have first done ample reserch on the subject, dealing
 with reliogon is a very sticky mess and if you dont own an industrell mop you
 better watch out  what kind of cans you open because you might spill
 something you cant clean up.

I can't tell who you are addressing this to, but if it's one of the CTRL
veterans, then you are way off base. I can name at least 8 people who have
examined this subject IN DEPTH. And if all you can come up with is what
you believe, then you are way out of your league.

J2


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[CTRL] Dimona

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Hot linques at site

From
http://www.arabia.com/article/print/0,4973,29289,00.html

}}Begin

--
This story was printed from http://www.arabia.com, News channel.
--
Israel's Dimona worries Arab nuclear experts
Finally, pictures of Dimona - Israel's aging nuclear reactor - have been made
public
September 20, 2000, 06:07 PM CAIRO
(AROL)

- Israel's Dimona nuclear reactor, had been shrouded in secrecy. The rare
imagery, taken on July 4 by Space Imaging Corporation's Ikonos satellite, was
recently shown on the Web site of the Federation of American Scientists (FAS).
The site exhibits more than seven overview images of the Dimona complex and the
surrounding locations, one of which is believed to be the burial ground of low-
level nuclear waste.

^ Nuclear experts believe this is the first time that the public has access to
data and images of Israel's nuclear facility.

Perhaps a more important revelation, however, is what the report described as
"the most significant finding" which is that Israel's nuclear weapons stockpile
probably consists of between 100 to 200 nuclear weapons. This is contrary to
previous reports that Israel might possess as many as 400 N-bombs.

"This, again, confirms Israel's possession of nuclear weapons," Fawzi Hammad,
former head of the Egyptian Atomic Energy Authority said. "The most significant
finding is that the data confirms that Israel has 200 nuclear warheads, proving
that Dimona has a big inventory, even bigger than what some of the big powers
may possess," Hammad said.

Concerns in rise

The images were compared to other pictures of the nuclear complex taken by a US
reconnaissance satellite in 1971. The images show that modest changes have
taken place in the central part of the complex over the past 30 years, but
dozens of smaller buildings were built during the same period.

Another important revelation made by the report, according to Abdel-Gawad
Emara, a member of the Egyptian Nuclear Safety Authority, is that the reactor
is aging, given that it was built in 1963, yet it continues to be the site of
intensive nuclear activity, raising concerns about its safety.

The report does not mention whether measures Emara called the "life extension"
of the complex - a procedure which minimises the effects of aging and the
likelihood of nuclear leakage - had been taken.

"The danger lies in the fact that the reactor is old and has never been open to
international inspection, meaning we don't know what's going on in there.
Therefore, it remains a suspect nuclear threat next door," Emara said.
US turns blind eye to Israel’s activities

^ Sources at the FAS said the federation's main task is to monitor nuclear
activities around the globe. They added that the United States has always
turned a blind eye to Israel's nuclear activity provided it does not conduct
nuclear tests.

It was precisely this point which topped the agenda when US Energy Secretary,
Bill Richardson, visited Egypt two months ago. According to Hammad, Egyptian
scientists and officials urged that pressure be put on Israel to reveal its
nuclear facilities and allow international inspection.

Richardson's response, according to Hammad, was; "We will look into the
matter."

"We demanded that the nuclear complex at Dimona, in particular, be opened to
inspection because of the threats it is likely to pose to neighboring
countries," Hammad said.

He believes the publication of the images and data on Dimona on the FAS site is
but one step towards greater transparency on Israel's secret nuclear
activities, breaking the long-standing information blackout.

Nuclear contamination

The FAS report also coincided with fresh allegations about possible radioactive
contamination caused by the burial of tonnes of radioactive waste in a disposal
area one kilometer from the main Dimona facility.

Meanwhile, Egyptian officials dismissed the contamination reports. Sayed
Mish'al, minister of state for military production, said that Egypt "possesses
the most up-to-date equipment for detecting any radioactive leakage" and that
there is no evidence of nuclear contamination in this country.

Despite these assurances, the FAS report has reinforced previous perceptions of
Israel posing a constant threat to the region due to the fact that its nuclear
facilities were never opened to international inspection.

Officials at the International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA) admit they are not
operating a fully effective and comprehensive safeguard system in Israel as
they are in Iraq, "because the agency has no right to implement such safeguards
in Israel since Israel is not a party to the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty
(NPT)."

"It is not the weakness of the safeguard system, but rather a consequence of
state sovereignty," Mohamed El-Baradei, director-general of the IAEA, said. "We
are not an international nuclear police 

[CTRL] The Pledge of Allegiance

[Bill Richer]

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[Unable to display image]

As a schoolboy, one of Red Skelton's teachers explained the words
and meaning of the Pledge of Allegiance to his class. Skelton later wrote
down,and eventually recorded, his recollection of this lecture.
It is followed by an observation of his own. Red
Skelton's Commentary on "The Pledge of Allegiance"


I - - Me; an individual; a committee of one.
Pledge - - Dedicate all of my worldly goods to give without self-pity.

Allegiance - - My love and my devotion.

To the Flag - - Our standard; Old Glory ; a symbol of Freedom; wherever she
waves there is respect, because your loyalty has given her a dignity that
shouts, Freedom is everybody's job.

United - - That means that we have all come together.

States - - Individual communities that have united into forty-eight great
states. Forty-eight individual communities with pride and dignity and
purpose. All divided with imaginary boundaries, yet united to a common
purpose, and that is love for country.


And to the Republic - - Republic--a state in which sovereign power is
invested in representatives chosen by the people to govern. And government is
the people; and it's from the people to the leaders,not from the leaders to
the people.

For which it stands

One Nation - - One Nation--meaning, so blessed by God.

Indivisible - - Incapable of being divided.

With Liberty - - Which is Freedom; the right of power to live one's own life,
without threats, fear, or some sort of retaliation.

And Justice - - The principle, or qualities, of dealing fairly with others.

For All - - For All--which means, boys and girls, it's as much your country
as it is mine.


And now, boys and girls, let me hear you recite the Pledge of Allegiance:

  I pledge allegiance to the Flag of the United States of America,
and to the Republic,
   for which it stands; one nation, indivisible, with liberty and
justice for all.

Since I was a small boy, two states have been added to our country, and two
words have been added to the Pledge of Allegiance: Under God. Wouldn't it be
a pity if someone said that is a prayer, and that would be eliminated from
schools, too?
Red Skelton

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Re: [CTRL] Encouraging Conspiratorial Absurdities

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 From the New Paradigms Project [Not Necessarily Endorsed]
 Note:  We store 100's of related "conspiracy posts" at:
 http://www.msen.com/~lloyd/oldprojects/recentmail.html

 From: "MacDonald" Use-Author-Address-Header@[127.1]
 Subject: Encouraging Conspiratorial Absurdities
 Date: Thursday, July 20, 2000 3:08 PM

 "To protect their capacity to operate under the radar of popular
 awareness, the establishment promotes and encourages the
 impression of a linkage between themselves and an encyclopedia of
 conspiratorial absurdities. In this way, many of the people who
 might otherwise provide a reasoned account of the identities and
 methods of the establishment are bamboozled, and wind up sounding
 like, or in fact being, lunatics."

 "In particular, stories of establishment involvement with
 extraterrestrial visitors and paranormal phenomena thwart the
 efforts of many to distinguish the real from the fictitious.
 Chris Carter's ``X Files'' and ``Millennium'' are inheritors of a
 prodigious legacy of programs that encourage this confusion. More
 than simply acting as intellectual equivalents of radar chaffe
 and heat flares, these programs deflect blame to an unaccountable
 and incomprehensible ``other.'' Since this type of paranoid
 conspiratorial pseudscience horror programming is naturally
 appealing to some writers and producers, the establishment need
 only covertly grease the path to assure some of this programming
 is budgeted and distributed for maximum effect."

 From 'The Architecture of Modern Political Power'
 http://www.mega.nu:8080/ampp/
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  Hear hear. Excellent point.

Joshua2


 One can see this technique employed every day in the alt.conspiracy newsgroup.


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[CTRL] SNET: [Fwd: Fwd: Rescind War/Emergency Powers Petition] (fwd)

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FYI...

visit my web site at  http://www.voicenet.com/~wbacon
My ICQ# is 79071904

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Subject: Fwd: Rescind War/Emergency Powers Petition
Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2000 23:21:40 -0600
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Secret to Reclaim Your Power http://www.reclaimyourpower.com/
endorses and supports the Rescind War/Emergency Powers Petition. Check
it
out and if you like, sign the petition electronically.

Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2000 00:16:39 -0700
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Subject: Rescind War/Emergency Powers Petition

APFN WEBMASTER PLEASE PLACE THE FOLLOWING LINK ON
http://www.apfn.org

Rescind War/Emergency Powers Petition
WE THE PEOPLE OF THE SEVERAL STATES PETITION THE EXECUTIVE BRANCH OF THE
UNITED STATES OF AMERICA TO REMOVE THE WAR POWERS ACT OF 1917 INCLUDING
ALL
AMENDED OR RELATED EMERGENCY POWERS PROCLAMATION TO BE CARRIED OUT BY
THE
PRESIDENT
http://www2.PetitionOnline.com/republic/petition.html

We the People of the many States recognize that acts of the
Congressional
body and the Office of the President of the United States of America
created
an emergency condition, and that on and after March 6, 1933 and March 9,
1933 the same said Public Offices effectively impaired and suspended the
Constitution for the United States of America under pretense of these
same
created emergency conditions, and
that the impairments and disabilities yet exist and are in full force
and
effect throughout the Nation and several States of the Union as of the
date
of this resolution ;

and That, there has occurred continuous breach of trust, duty and
obligation imposed under authority of the Constitution for the United
States
of America, resulting in a continued abridgment of the Rights,
Privileges,
Immunities, and Liberties of Citizens and others, all committed under
pretense of a continuing national crisis and furtherance of emergency
conditions ; and That, In the  Foreword  of United States Senate Report
93-549 it states  Since March 9, 1933, the United States of America has
been
in a declared state of national emergency which has not been resolved
during
the last 62 years ; and  That, Senate Report 93-549 admits and professes
that  This vast range of powers taken together confers enough authority
to
rule our country without reference to normal constitutional process ;

and That, in Title 12 United States Code it is arbitrarily declared that
 The actions, regulation, rules, licenses, orders and proclamations
heretofore or hereafter taken, promulgated, made, or issued by the
President
of the United States or the Secretary of Treasury since March 4, 1933,
pursuant to the authority conferred by subsection (b) of the Act of
October
6, 1917, as amended [12 USCS sec 95a], are hereby approved and
confirmed.
(Mar. 9, 1933, c.1, Title 1, sec 1, 48 Stat. 1.) .

We therefore recognize that every order issued by the President since
March
9, 1933, or any order issued thereafter was and is automatically
approved
and confirmed. These powers being conferred under purported authority of
the
Act of October 6, 1917, as amended on March 9, 1933, are strictly the
War
Powers, and have been wrongfully used against the
several States of the Union and the People (See Stoehr vs. Wallace 255
US
239) ;and That, our forefathers recognizing these same conditions wrote
to
the British Parliament and King of Great Britain in The Declaration of
Rights of 1774:

Whereas, since the close of the last war, the British Parliament,
claiming a power of right to bind the people of America, by statute, in
all
cases whatsoever, hath in some acts expressly imposed taxes on them, and
in
others, under various pretenses, but in fact for the purpose of raising
a
revenue, hath imposed rates and duties payable in these colonies
established
a board of commissioners, with unconstitutional powers , and extended
the
jurisdiction of courts of admiralty, not only for collecting the said
duties, but for the trial of causes merely arising within the body of a
county.  And that, in
consequence of other statutes, judges, who before held only estates at
will
in their offices, have been made dependent on the Crown 

[CTRL] Energy shortage? (fwd)

[William Bacon]

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Subject: Energy shortage?

We all know how gasoline prices have shot up. Supposedly because there is a
shortage of crude oil. But..

When was the last time you heard talk of an energy shortage? Probably does
not ring a bell, because there has not been talk about an energy shortage
in quite a while. Why not?

The reason is a substance called Methane Ice. It turns out that there is
more energy trapped in methane ice than all the known oil, coal and natural
gas put together. How much more? Perhaps even twice as much energy. What is
methane? Natural gas is primarily methane, and there are plenty of busses
and cars running on that at the moment.

Where do you find Methane Ice? Apparently on almost all coastal shelves at
depths greater than 600 feet. What is it? It is water that has methane
gas trapped in it.

Despite the fact that methane is a greenhouse gas, little is ever said
about any possible 'global warming' effects of natural releases from
undersea deposits. But, when methane is released into the atmosphere, it
quickly decomposes into carbon dioxide! Now while the sky is falling
environmentalists are hollering about carbon dioxide, they say little about
methane coming from the ocean. But, atmospheric methane is rising faster
than carbon dioxide. What are natual sources of methane? Swamps and gas
expelled from bovine animals. Seen any wetlands increasing lately?

These facts are not secret, just not much presented to you by the Ministry
of Truth (your TV station). Take a look for yourself at some of the
evidence:

Ice that burns:
http://www.sciam.com/1296issue/1296scicit7.html

End of the last Ice Age from Methane Ice?
http://www.newscientist.com/ns/980328/nlandslide.html

Methane Ice trapped in the Arctic:
http://www.newscientist.com/ns/980328/nlandslide.html

What do the U.S. Department of Energy and other agencys say?
http://www.fe.doe.gov/oil_gas/methanehydrates/oilgas_hydrate.html
http://www.llnl.gov/str/Durham.html
http://marine.usgs.gov/fact-sheets/gas-hydrates/title.html
http://walrus.wr.usgs.gov/resources/hydrate.html

Finally but not last. A site that debunks global warming:
http://www.vision.net.au/~daly/

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[CTRL] Gore-y Details

[Alamaine]

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Via http://www.insightmag.com/

From
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/bluesky_exnews/2918_xex_al_gores_bru.shtml

}}Begin excerpt

TENNESSEE UNDERWORLD
Al Gore's
Uncle Whit
Targeted as alleged drug trafficker
by federal, state law enforcement

Editor's note: For Al Gore's presidential campaign, the all-important mission
of distancing its candidate from what is arguably the most corrupt
administration in U.S. history -- in which Gore has served for eight years as
the No. 2 man -- has not been easy. Yet, until last week, the carefully
choreographed campaign seemed to be succeeding, according to polls.
Then the story broke, carried by most of the major media, that Gore was linked
to the solicitation of a $100,000 bribe in 1995 in exchange for a presidential
veto. Gore's carefully cultivated "squeaky-clean" image began to fade, as
memories of campaign finance violations -- the Buddhist Temple, the "iced tea"
defense, FBI assertions that the vice president was lying -- threatened to
flood back into the public mind.

Now come new revelations. Following is Part 1 of an exclusive three-part
WorldNetDaily series on Gore's highly controversial relationships and actions
in his home state of Tennessee.

The articles were researched and written by native Tennessean reporters Charles
C. Thompson II and Tony Hays. Thompson is a long-time veteran of network news,
having been a founding producer of ABC's "20/20," as well as Mike Wallace's
producer at CBS's "60 Minutes." His most recent book, "A Glimpse of Hell: The
Explosion on the U.S.S. Iowa and Its Cover-Up," was released by W.W. Norton in
Spring 1999. Hays is an experienced journalist who has written extensively on
political corruption in Tennessee. Recently his 20-part series on narcotics
trafficking received an award from the Tennessee Press Association.

Parts 2 and 3 will be published in tomorrow's and Wednesday's editions of
WorldNetDaily.

By Charles Thompson and Tony Hays
© 2000, Charles C. Thompson II and Tony Hays
SAVANNAH, Tenn. -- Vice President Al Gore's uncle and confidant, retired judge
Whit LaFon, has been targeted as an alleged drug trafficker by federal and
state law enforcement officials in Tennessee.

End{{

Pt2 @
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/bluesky_exnews/2919_xex_gore_plays_f.shtml

Pt3 @
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/bluesky_exnews/2920_xex_officials_sa.shtml
AER

Integrity has no need of rules. -Albert Camus (1913-1960)
+ + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + +
The only real voyage of discovery consists not in seeking
new landscapes but in having new eyes. -Marcel Proust

The libertarian therefore considers one of his prime educational
tasks is to spread the demystification and desanctification of the
State among its hapless subjects.  His task is to demonstrate
repeatedly and in depth that not only the emperor but even the
"democratic" State has no clothes; that all governments subsist
by exploitive rule over the public; and that such rule is the reverse
of objective necessity.  He strives to show that the existence of
taxation and the State necessarily sets up a class division between
the exploiting rulers and the exploited ruled.  He seeks to show that
the task of the court intellectuals who have always supported the State
has ever been to weave mystification in order to induce the public to
accept State rule and that these intellectuals obtain, in return, a
share in the power and pelf extracted by the rulers from their deluded
subjects.
[[For a New Liberty:  The Libertarian Manifesto, Murray N. Rothbard,
Fox  Wilkes, 1973, 1978, p. 25]]

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[CTRL] AP: Ray's Statement on Whitewater Probe (fw)

[MICHAEL SPITZER]

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Subject: CAS: AP: Ray's Statement on Whitewater Probe



Ray's Statement on Whitewater Probe

Independent Counsel Robert W. Ray issued the following statement
today:

This Office has now concluded, with certain limited exceptions,
its investigation of the matters commonly referred to as
''Madison Guaranty/Whitewater.'' At this time, it is appropriate,
in the public interest, and consistent with the law to inform the
public of the findings and conclusions regarding the core matters
within this Office's Madison Guaranty/Whitewater jurisdiction.
Except for limited pending matters, the Madison
Guaranty/Whitewater investigation is now closed.

Following enactment of the Independent Counsel Reauthorization
Act of 1994, this Office was established on August 5, 1994 to
continue the work of regulatory Independent Counsel Robert B.
Fiske Jr. to investigate the relationship of James B. McDougal
and President and Mrs. Clinton to Madison Guaranty Savings  Loan
Association (''Madison Guaranty''), Capital Management Services,
Inc. (''CMS''), and the Whitewater Development Corporation
(''Whitewater Development''). Eleven months ago, on October 18,
1999, the judges of the United States Court of Appeals for the
District of Columbia Circuit's Division for Appointing
Independent Counsels appointed me as Independent Counsel with
respect to all matters within the previously ordered jurisdiction
of this Office, including the Madison Guaranty/Whitewater
investigation. Since my appointment, this Office has concluded
two matters within our jurisdiction -- matters commonly referred
to as the ''FBI Files'' matter and the ''Travel Office'' matter.

The Madison Guaranty/Whitewater investigation resulted in the
conviction of 12 defendants, including former Arkansas Governor
Jim Guy Tucker, Jim and Susan McDougal, and former Associate
Attorney General Webster L. Hubbell. This Office investigated
whether Jim and Susan McDougal committed any crimes in connection
with Madison Guaranty, CMS, or Whitewater Development by using
control of two financial institutions -- Madison Guaranty and
Madison Bank  Trust -- to lend money to or for the benefit of
Whitewater Development and to pay Whitewater Development
financial obligations at a time when the McDougals and the
Clintons jointly owned Whitewater Development. In May 1996, Jim
and Susan McDougal were convicted in federal court in Arkansas of
various crimes involving Madison Guaranty, CMS, and Whitewater
Development. According to one federal bank regulatory agency, the
failure of Madison Guaranty cost the taxpayers $73 million.

This Office investigated whether President and Mrs. Clinton
knowingly participated in any criminal conduct related to Madison
Guaranty, CMS, or Whitewater Development or had any knowledge of
such conduct. This Office determined that the evidence was
insufficient to prove to a jury beyond a reasonable doubt that
either President or Mrs. Clinton knowingly participated in any
criminal conduct involving Madison Guaranty, CMS, or Whitewater
Development or knew of such conduct. The evidence relating to
their testimony and conduct, in connection with this
investigation and other investigations involving the same
entities, was also, in the judgment of this Office, insufficient
to prove to a jury beyond a reasonable doubt that either of them
committed any criminal offense, including perjury (18 U.S.C.
1621) or obstruction of justice (18 U.S.C. 1503).

The following findings and conclusions relate to publicly
disclosed matters investigated by this Office. Information
obtained through grand jury proceedings or other confidential
methods is not included in this statement. Upon conclusion of
pending matters, this Office intends to submit to the Court a
final report ''setting forth fully and completely a description
of the work'' of the Office. 28 U.S.C. 594(h).

1. The investigation made the following findings and conclusions:
This Office investigated whether President Clinton gave knowingly
false testimony when he testified in the 1996 trial of Mr.
McDougal, Ms. McDougal, and Governor Tucker that he ''never
borrowed any money from Madison Guaranty,'' ''[never caused
anybody to borrow any money for [his benefit,'' and ''[never ha[d
any personal loan with Madison Guaranty at any time.''

At Susan McDougal's 1999 trial for criminal contempt (18 U.S.C.
402) and obstruction of justice (18 U.S.C. 1503) for her refusal
to testify about matters that included an alleged $27,600 Madison
Guaranty loan to President Clinton, the government introduced two
checks as evidence of the alleged loan. The first check was an
actual Madison Guaranty cashier's check, dated November 15, 1982,
made out to ''Bill Clinton'' in the amount of $27,600 that was
found, by happenstance, among other Madison Guaranty records in
the trunk of a car in July 1997 

[CTRL] WSJ: FUND: Ignore the Polls

[MICHAEL SPITZER]

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JOHN FUND'S POLITICAL DIARY

Ignore the Polls
The campaign isn't over yet.

Wednesday, September 20, 2000 12:01 a.m. EDT

The political obituaries are rolling in. William Saletan of
Slate.com: "Bush is toast." Lawrence O'Donnell of "The McLaughlin
Group": "It's over." Eric Alterman of MSNBC.com: "Barring
extraterrestrial intervention, the election's over and Gore won
it." Why? Pundits are citing polls like the one just out from
Newsweek that shows Al Gore leading George W. Bush by 14 points
among likely voters.

All this makes you wonder why we still have campaigns to capture
the attention of inattentive voters and change their minds. The
polls vary in their methodology, and too often the poll-obsessed
nature of campaign coverage freezes public perceptions of the
candidates and contributes to the low voter turnout everyone in
the media claims to be against.

The Newsweek poll turns out to be of only 580 likely voters over
two nights. One of them was a Friday, when pollsters say more
Democrats are at home. In 1996, Newsweek's late-October survey
had Bob Dole losing to Bill Clinton by a whopping 23 points. Mr.
Dole lost by eight. (Newsweek's pollster says it did a final but
unpublished survey that showed an 11-point margin.)

Other polls with a better track record show different results.
The bipartisan Hotline poll shows the race tied. The Battleground
poll, a joint project of Democratic pollster Celinda Lake and GOP
pollster Ed Goeas, got the 1996 Clinton victory margin right
within 0.5% of the vote. As of this Tuesday, their nightly
tracking poll has Mr. Bush leading Mr. Gore by four points.

Similarly, the Rasmussen Research nightly tracking poll now shows
Mr. Bush with a 44% to 41% lead among likely voters. Mr.
Rasmussen uses a telephone prompting system rather than live
interviewers to survey respondents, a controversial technique.
But an analysis by the Progressive Review found that his
polls--along with those of Gallup and Zogby--proved to be the
most accurate during this year's primaries, and his lower costs
allow him to survey more people and reduce his margin of error to
2%.

The third nightly tracking poll is Gallup, which has a good
record even if its final 1996 survey overstated Mr. Clinton's
winning margin by three percentage points. It currently shows Mr.
Gore holding a four-point lead over Gov. Bush. Averaged together,
the three nightly tracking polls show a one-point Bush lead.

In recent years, election polls have often overestimated the
Democrats' share of the vote. People like to tell pollsters they
plan to fulfill their civic duty and vote. In reality, about
one-third of people who say that won't show up. The best polls
figure out if people are engaged enough to be likely voters. Even
with those efforts, polls often oversample groups such as
blue-collar women that end up not voting in high numbers.
Turnout, which in 1996 fell below half of all adults, does
matter. The latest Wall Street Journal/NBC poll has Mr. Gore
leading among registered voters by 45% to 42%, but Mr. Bush
leading by 45% to 43% among likely voters.

There are other reasons polls may tilt slightly toward Democrats.
Warren Mitofsky, who developed exit polling for CBS News in the
1960s, believes Democrats are more likely to respond to media
polls than are Republicans, who may distrust the "liberal" news
media. More than 60% of those pollsters try to contact routinely
hide behind answering machines or otherwise refuse to answer.
"This makes survey results more uncertain, and should cause
concern, caution and above all humility in reporting the
results," says Leo Bogart, a former president of the American
Association for Public Opinion Research.

That humility was not found among the media in 1996, when almost
every major poll overstated President Clinton's victory margin.
Purdue University professor Gerald S. Wasserman says his
mathematical analysis of the 1996 polls showed them to be "a
collective failure," all erring in Mr. Clinton's favor. He found
that only once in 4,900 elections would chance alone produce
that. "To continue to use current polling technology without
calling for a change would be like having a gambler play after
the roulette wheel comes up red 12 times in a row," he says. "In
both cases, it might just be chance, but any sensible person
would stop and check the apparatus before going on."

Unfortunately, polls help dictate media coverage. Reporters
overemphasize certain elements of a candidate's personality--Mr.
Gore's penchant for exaggeration or Mr. Bush's verbal flubs--if
the polls turn against one or the other. Then until the polls
turn again, coverage conforms to the stereotype. ABC's George
Stephanopoulos, a key strategist in Bill Clinton's 1992 campaign,
said last week that political scientists "talk about the
bandwagon effect, that once a candidate gets in the zone, all of
the coverage is good, almost no matter what happens, and when
you're out of the zone, even when do you do 

[CTRL] REU: [Is Clinton] A Black Man Masquerading In a White Body

[MICHAEL SPITZER]

-Caveat Lector-

[If _I_ had said that about Clinton, or a neighbor or co-worker,
I would probably be in trouble, but ...]


Wednesday September 20 2:21 PM ET
Black Church Group Hails Clinton As One of Its Own

By Randall Mikkelsen

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - Leaders of one of the nation's largest
black churches saluted President Clinton (news - web sites) on
Wednesday as a ``black man masquerading in a white body,'' who
absorbed political blows for championing African-Americans.

``A lot of the blows that he took were because he would not
forsake us,'' said Bishop Chandler Owens of the Church of God in
Christ, speaking at the church's annual bishops conference.

Owens introduced Clinton after a succession of bishops in the
8-million member church hailed the president for defending
affirmative action, intervening in Haiti and working to advance
blacks.

``I told the president when he first got elected that he was a
black man masquerading in a white body,'' Owens said, as Clinton
roared with laughter. ``The president is laughing, but evidently
he believes that.''

The bishops urged Clinton to keep working on their behalf after
he leaves office next January, and a choir serenaded him with a
rafter-rattling spiritual that brought the audience of 600 to its
feet singing along with cries of affirmation.

``As long as there is breath in your body ... you will continue
to fight for the dignity of America,'' said Bishop Felton Smith.
``Please sir, don't quit.''

Blacks were among Clinton's most unwavering supporters through
the impeachment scandal that enveloped the president in the wake
of his affair with Monica Lewinsky (news - web sites).

``Mr. Clinton, we've prayed for you. Not only that, but we have
spiritually walked with you and your administration. ... We will
pray that God will continue to give you strength over all these
relentless demons that continue to haunt you,'' said Bishop L.T.
Haynes.

The bishops denounced current moves in Arkansas to strip Clinton
of his law license.

Clinton, in his speech, sounded content with his legacy, despite
the tarnish of scandal that tainted it.

``The scripture says ... in due season we shall reap. I have to
admit, there were times when I thought the winters were too long
and I thought we'd never get to the reaping part. But we have,''
he said.

He went on to recount economic and social gains during his
administration.

``We are supposed to be serving, and if we take a hit now and
again along the way, that's just part of the cost of doing
service,'' he said.

But with his eye on the political ball, Clinton told the group
the best way to extend his legacy would be to elect Democratic
Vice President Al Gore (news - web sites) to succeed him, and to
elect first lady Hillary Rodham Clinton (news - web sites) and
other Democrats to the U.S. Senate.

``All we've done for the last eight years is set the table. And
the feast is still out there,'' he said.


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Publications of the Center for Security Policy
No. 00-D 78

DECISION BRIEF

19 September 2000

Breaking Faith
(Washington, D.C.): Last week, the U.S. ambassador to Israel, morphed from a
man who presents his well-established pro-Israeli Labor Party and pro-Arab
leanings as the stuff of an "honest broker"(1) into a man who has patently
broken faith with Israel. On Friday, Amb. Martin Indyk declared that, when it
came to the issue of Jerusalem that has confounded him and his fellow peace-
processors, "There is no other solution but to share the holy cityIt is
not, and cannot be the exclusive preserve of one religion."

Questions as to whether Indyk was simply free-lancing or acting upon
instructions from Washington appeared to be settled when, according to the
London Guardian, Khalil Jahshan of the American Committee on Jerusalem, a group
that supports the Arab line on the holy city, said: "We are delighted to see a
representative of the U.S. government saying publicly what we have heard
privately -- that there should be a settlement by which all national
aspirations are accommodated."

As it happens, Indyk's declaration also breaches -- as noted in a properly
critical analysis circulated on Monday by the Zionist Organization of America --
 a pledge made by candidate "Bill Clinton in 1992...to recognize all of
Jerusalem as Israel's, and violates the near-unanimous congressional resolution
of 1995 calling for U.S. recognition of united Jerusalem as Israel's capital."
Unfortunately, the political landscape is littered with Mr. Clinton's broken
campaign promises and actions at odds with the law.

Clinton-Gore Embrace Post-Zionism

What sets the Indyk declaration apart is what it says about the Clinton-Gore
Administration's determination to get a "peace" agreement between Israel and
the Palestinians at any price, before the President leaves office -- and,
ideally, before the polls close on the Vice President and Hillary Clinton's
respective campaigns. Under Messrs. Clinton and Gore, the United States has
effectively abandoned its traditional support for Israel as the Jewish State
and is now actively collaborating with so-called "Post-Zionist" efforts there
that may well leave it neither Jewish nor a state.

To be sure, it has in Israeli Prime Minister Ehud Barak a willing collaborator
in this assault on the very essence of the Zionist dream. Stung by the
wholesale repudiation his government has experienced over the hash-up it has
made of peace diplomacy at the hands of his country's religious and other
opposition parties, Barak has declared what amounts to a jihad or holy war on
Israel's Jewishness. His "secular revolution" calls for ending the official
practice of honoring the Sabbath by suspending most commerce, El Al flights,
bus service, etc. from sundown on Friday until the sun sets on Saturday.
Barak's 'Secular Revolution'

Like most of Barak's actions -- and virtually all of those taken by his sponsor
in Washington, Bill Clinton -- the impetus for these steps and for taking them
now is transparently political. By appealing to the large number of Israelis
who are non-observant Jews, and to Israel's Arabs (who are generally hostile to
the Jewish character of the state whose citizens they happen to be), Barak
evidently hopes to build a new political base. He clearly is calculating that,
if he can just secure a peace deal, irrespective of its terms, he can fashion
out of this subset of the electorate a working majority in the Knesset, and
avoid the repudiation that his opponents have in mind, and history surely has
in store, for him.

Barak's secular revolution is, therefore, of a piece with and a necessary
precondition for his abandonment of the position taken by every Israeli
government since 1967, namely that a unified Jerusalem is Israel's eternal
capital. If Israel ceases to be the Jewish State, then it follows ineluctably
that such a state's historic attachment to the holy sites of Jerusalem need no
longer preclude its government from, in Martin Indyk's words, "sharing" them
with the Palestinians. Welcome to Post-Zion.

Krauthammer's Critique

Urged on by intense U.S. pressure and inducements, the Israeli Prime Minister
has gone well beyond agreeing in principle to recognize Arab sovereignty over
parts of the Old City of Jerusalem, however. As Charles Krauthammer noted in a
characteristically brilliant essay circulated on September 18 by the Jewish
World Review:

"[Barak also] surrendered the Jordan Valley, a strip of barrenness that buffers
Israel from the Arab tank armies to the east, [even though his] own Labor Party
insisted for 30 years that it could not be ceded without fatally compromising
Israel's security[And] he conceded the principle that Israel should receive
and resettle Palestinians who left their homes 52 years ago 

[CTRL] JW: Clinton-Gore White House: Filegate Computer Tapes Unreadable

[MICHAEL SPITZER]

-Caveat Lector-

FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE
September 20, 2000
Contact: Richard Tomkins
(202) 646-5172

Clinton-Gore White House: Filegate Computer Tapes Unreadable

Backup Tape Computer Data from Craig Livingstone's Office Said
Irretrievable By White House

Clinton-Gore White House Had Planned to Destroy These Hundreds of
Other Computer Back-Up Tapes

(Washington, D.C.) The Clinton-Gore White House claimed last week
that computer back-up tapes of computers in the White House
office that improperly obtained FBI files were "unreadable." The
admission came in the ongoing $90 million Filegate class action
lawsuit filed by Judicial Watch on behalf of the former Reagan
and Bush administration staffers and others whose FBI files were
illegally obtained by this White House. Hillary Rodham Clinton is
a defendant in this lawsuit.

The Clinton-Gore White House had been ordered to search the
back-up tapes, which store the contents of desk top and other
personal computers, of the Office of Personnel Security – the
office which obtained the FBI files in question and was run by
former bar bouncer D. Craig Livingstone. In allegedly trying to
read the tapes, the Clinton-Gore White House has claimed that
"the tapes themselves are now unreadable, absent the use of data
recovery techniques of which EOP is not currently capable." The
tapes are for the computers of Mari Anderson and Edward Hughes,
two assistants who worked for Livingstone. Testimony by Mari
Anderson had admitted that she and others in the office (Craig
Livingstone and political operative Anthony Marceca) knew that
they wrongly were obtaining the FBI files of Republicans.
Importantly, Livingstone claims that Mari Anderson did his
computer word processing for him.

Through White House whistleblower Sheryl Hall, Judicial Watch
discovered earlier this year that the Clinton-Gore White House
was planning to destroy these and hundreds of other back-up tapes
of staffers, even though the tapes were being sought in Court.
(Ms. Hall was also the individual who uncovered the ongoing
Clinton-Gore White House e-mail scandal.)

"This stinks to high Heaven. The Clinton-Gore White House planned
to destroy these tapes and now these Filegate tapes are
‘unreadable.' We'll be asking the Court to conduct a criminal
contempt inquiry,"  stated Judicial Watch Chairman and General
Counsel Larry Klayman.

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[CTRL] PR: Accomplishments

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Clinton Legacy: Most Convictions, Crookedest Cabinet, 31 Deaths

The Progressive Review Saturday, Aug.  12, 2000

As the Democrats' torch (as well as their contributor lists and
FBI files) is passed to Al Gore, we thought we'd bring you up to
date on our Clinton scandal statistics.  Please note that, much
as with the Census, the collection of such data is a daunting
task, made all the more difficult by the failure of the corporate
media to show any interest in it.

Notes: Some of the data have not been updated recently and thus
understate conditions.  In certain areas, such as anomalous
deaths, the Progressive Review has used an extremely conservative
count.  It is important in considering these incidents to bear in
mind the following:

1.  The fact that anomalies need to be investigated further
carries no presumption of how a death actually occurred, only
that there remain serious questions that require answers.

2.  The possibility of foul play must be taken seriously in a
major criminal conspiracy in which more than two score
individuals and firms have already been convicted and more than
100 witnesses have pleaded the Fifth Amendment or fled the
country.

3.  If foul play did occur in any of these cases, that fact by
itself does not carry the presumption that the White House was
involved.  Given the footprints of organized crime, drug trade,
foreign espionage and intelligence agencies on the trail of the
Clinton story, such an assumption would be ill advised.

The Progressive Review welcomes corrections and additions and
plans to publish a more definitive version on the occasion upon
the departure of the Clinton administration.  It is also planning
a list of those journalists and public officials who performed
best and worst during this egregious period of American history.
Any advice on this would be greatly appreciated.

Administration Records Set

- The only president ever impeached strictly on grounds of
  personal malfeasance

- Most convictions and guilty pleas

- Most Cabinet officials to come under criminal investigation

- Most witnesses to flee country or refuse to testify

- Most witnesses to die suddenly

- Greatest amount of illegal campaign contributions

- Greatest amount of illegal campaign contributions from abroad

Historical Context

- Number of independent counsel inquiries since the 1978 law was
  passed: 19

- Number that have produced indictments: 7

- Number that produced more convictions than the Starr
  investigation: 1

- Median length of investigations that have led to convictions:
  44 months

- Length of Starr-Ray investigation (7/00): 67 months.

- Number of Starr-Ray investigation convictions to date
  (including one governor, one associate attorney general and two
  Clinton business partners): 15

- Median cost per Starr investigation conviction: $3.5 million as
  of 3/00

- Total cost of the Starr investigation (3/00) $52 million

- Total cost of the Iran-Contra investigation: $48.5 million

- Number of Clinton Cabinet members who came under criminal
  investigation: 5

- Number of Reagan cabinet members who came under criminal
  investigation: 4

- Number of top officials jailed in the Teapot Dome Scandal: 3

Crime Stats

- Number of individuals and businesses associated with the
  Clinton machine who have been convicted of or pleaded guilty to
  crimes: 47

- Number of these convictions during Clinton's presidency: 33

- Number of indictments/misdemeanor charges: 61

- Number of imprisonments: 14

- Number of congressional witnesses who have pleaded the Fifth
  Amendment, fled the country to avoid testifying, or (in the
  case of foreign witnesses) refused to be interviewed: 122
  (9/99)

Smaltz Investigation

- Guilty pleas and convictions obtained by Donald Smaltz in cases
  involving charges of bribery and fraud against former
  Agriculture Secretary Mike Espy and associated individuals and
  businesses: 15

- Acquitted or overturned cases (including Espy): 6

- Fines and penalties assessed: $11.5 million

- Cost of investigation: $22.2 million through 9/99

- Amount Tyson Food paid in fines and court costs: $6 million

- Amount Tyson Food still has in annual government contracts:
  $200 million

- Reasons individuals other than Espy went free: Concealing
  knowledge of gifts to Espy and his girlfriend (1), providing
  illegal gratuities to Espy(4), illegally supplementing the
  salary of a government official (2), concealing receipt of
  illegal funds on behalf of Espy (1) (Espy's chief of staff was
  sentenced to prison in this case)

Crimes for Which Convictions Have Been Obtained

Drug trafficking (3), racketeering, extortion, bribery (4), tax
evasion, kickbacks, embezzlement (2), fraud (12), conspiracy (5),
fraudulent loans, illegal gifts (1), illegal campaign
contributions (5), money laundering (6), perjury, obstruction of
justice.

Other Matters Investigated by Special Prosecutors and Congress or
Reported in the Media

Bank and mail 

[CTRL] Taking Aim at Military Corruption

[MICHAEL SPITZER]

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From:

http://www.cosmiverse.com/paranormal092002.html

Taking Aim at Military Corruption

September 20, 2000 08:20 CDT


Leave it to Jeff Rense's Sightings.com news WebPage to dig up
obscure items of interest on the Internet. A recent missive
posted on the site is about the latest news from an organization
few have likely heard about.

The news comes from the www.militarycorruption.com website, which
has declared victory over censorship at an Army barracks in
Pennsylvania. It's operated by veterans from throughout the Armed
Forces, and unabashedly takes on issues ranging from pornography
sneaking through to military installation computers on the
Internet to arms deals with governments overseas.

Apparently, militarycorruption.com has also been waging battle
with the Carlisle Barracks chain of command in Pennsylvania,
which in late August banned the vets' site from Army web-surfers'
view. The site's editor said it was the only military
installation to have taken such action.

Proclaiming a victory for the First Amendment in the military,
militarycorruption.com said last week, "in a VICTORY with
far-reaching ramifications, the leadership at Carlisle Barracks,
Pa. has lifted a post-wide "ban" on MilitaryCorruption.com which
went into effect August 25th.  Informed sources said Carlisle
Barracks Commandant, Maj. Gen. Robert R.  Ivany, told those
responsible for the illegal and unwarranted attempt at censorship
to allow MilitaryCorruption.com to be viewed on the post computer
system."

The website's editor-in-chief, MAJ Glenn MacDonald, USAR (Ret),
also appealed to the newly arrived commandant to "punish" those
responsible for this violation of free speech. "Sources within
the Carlisle Barracks community predict Ivany, a highly
respected, 'no-nonsense' general, will clean house of 'deadwood'
and 'trouble-makers' in the near future," said the website. It
says nearly 40,000 visitors have come to the site over the past
year, from 39 countries. Publicity over the ban, said website
editors, likely will bring even more traffic in the future.

Now that the ban's been lifted, Carlisle troops can read online
articles on topics of perceived military questionable activity
such as germ warfare, troop vaccinations, reports from the field
from places such as Cambodia, and unsolved military murder cases.
Also featured on the site are special sections like Deep Cover,
Intel Net, Flash Back, and Sound Off.

Maybe the site's reporting team can get to the bottom of Roswell.

Staff Writer Sally Suddock


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From
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 Watching from the stands, Chelsea Clinton beamed after Hyman pulled off the
 biggest upset so far on the fifth night of the eight-day meet.

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Hyman shocks O'Neill; Thompson wins historic gold
AP Photo
By BETH HARRIS
AP Sports Writer
September 20, 2000

SYDNEY, Australia (AP) -- Misty Hyman sank Madame Butterfly and Jenny Thompson
snapped a tie for Olympic gold as the Americans surprised the Australians with
an ambush in the swimming pool.

Hyman, a 21-year-old from Phoenix, stunned defending champion Susie O'Neill to
win the 200-meter butterfly Wednesday -- much to the amazement of raucous
Aussie fans who could hardly believe their eyes.

Neither could Hyman.

``I had to look three times, I really did,'' said Hyman, who only qualified in
one event. ``Then I started screaming and shaking.''

Thompson won a record seventh gold medal by anchoring the United States to
victory in the 800 freestyle relay over the Aussies, who were led by O'Neill.

In doing so, the 27-year-old moved ahead of Germany's Kristin Otto in career
golds by a woman swimmer, but tied Czech Republic gymnast Vera Caslavska for
the second-most Olympic golds by a woman.

``Lucky number seven. I'd like to get a couple more,'' said Thompson, who has
the 100 freestyle and another relay remaining.

Hyman led all the way to win in an Olympic record 2 minutes, 5.88 seconds, just
missing O'Neill's world record by seven one-hundredths of a second.

``I've played it over so many times in my head, but I never thought it would
come true,'' said Hyman, who, discouraged by health problems and slow times,
was ready to quit swimming in May.

The U.S. team of Samantha Arsenault, Diana Munz, Lindsay Benko and Thompson won
in an Olympic record 7:57.80, breaking the old mark of 7:59.87 set by the
Americans at the 1996 Olympics.

In her signature race, O'Neill finished second in 2:06.58. Petria Thomas of
Australia took bronze in 2:07.12.

O'Neill, known as ``Madame Butterfly,'' broke the oldest record in swimming in
May at the Australian Olympic trials when she lowered Mary T. Meagher's 19-year-
old world record.

But Hyman went out strong and held a body-length lead over O'Neill at the 150-
meter mark. The crowd of 17,500 at the Sydney International Aquatic Center
urged O'Neill on with shouts of ``Susie!'' but the Aussie never made a run at
Hyman.

``I swam as well as I could,'' O'Neill said. ``Obviously, I'm disappointed.
Unfortunately, I know my best time would've done it.''

Hyman, a first-time Olympian, swam a lifetime best to stun O'Neill, who was the
heavy favorite. She broke out in a huge grin and screamed ``Oh, my God!'' over
and over when she realized she'd won.

O'Neill swam over to congratulate her.

``Misty got to lay in the weeds and wait for one race,'' U.S. women's coach
Richard Quick said. ``She had the ideal race at the ideal time, and life is all
about timing.''

After Hyman shook up the pool, Thompson made history.

Thompson of Dover, N.H., also tied Australian Dawn Fraser, Kornelia Ender of
Germany and fellow American Shirley Babashoff for most Olympic medals by a
woman swimmer with eight. Seven of Thompson's medals have come in relays; she
won a silver in the 100 freestyle at the 1992 Olympics.

Australia earned silver in 7:58.52. Germany won bronze in 7:58.64.

The Americans are 2-0 in the women's relays so far. Thompson swam the anchor
leg of the winning 400 freestyle relay Saturday for her sixth career gold.

Arsenault led off for the Americans and had them in sixth place after 200
meters, while O'Neill had the Australians in first.

Munz pulled the Americans into second at 400 meters, and Benko kept them there
to set up Thompson. As Thompson worked at overtaking Petria Thomas, Benko
pounded on the starting block in Lane 4.

``It was nerve-wracking going last because the race was neck-and-neck the whole
way, but I had faith in myself,'' Thompson said. ``This is pretty sweet.''

The Dutch had another big night, thanks to their 1-2 punch of Pieter van den
Hoogenband and Inge de Bruijn.

Van den Hoogenband won gold in the 100 freestyle in 48.30 seconds, denying
Russian Alexander Popov an unprecedented third straight Olympic title in the
event.

``After 75 meters, I knew I would bring it home,'' the Dutchman said. ``Now I
want to party.''

De Bruijn set her second world record of the Olympics in the semifinals of the
100 freestyle. It was the 12th world mark set or tied in five days of swimming.
Popov rallied from sixth at the turn to claim the silver at 48.69.

``I already have plenty of medals,'' said Popov, who trains in Australia. ``I
can't win everything. I have to share.''

Gary Hall Jr., of Phoenix, second to Popov four years ago in Atlanta, took
bronze in 48.73 -- beating Australia's Michael Klim by one-hundreth of a
second. Neil Walker of Verona, Wis., was fifth in 49.05.

``I wanted to get out there and race, but I didn't know if I'd

[CTRL] UFO's And The US And UK Governments

[William Shannon]

-Caveat Lector-

UFOs and the governments of the USA and UK
by Armen Victorian
From Lobster 32
http://www.lobster-magazine.co.uk/index.htm
Researchers who ask for pertinent records from the US Air Force about UFOs
are provided with a 'Fact Sheet' which states that since the closure of
Project Blue Book in 1974, the USAF has no interest in, and does not study,
the subject. The USAF information pack refers inquirers to various
non-governmental UFO research organizations which are closely monitored, and,
at times, directed by various US intelligence and military agencies. (1)


The men from the Ministry

In Britain, Air Staff 2 (a), a desk in the Ministry of Defence, manned by
junior civil servants such as Nick Pope, J. Palmer, Owen Hartop, Kerry
Philpott, and Ralph Noyes, respond to public inquiries. The knowledge of
these individuals is limited and their responses consequently sometimes
inaccurate. Contrary to claims made by Air Staff 2 (a) that they are privy to
all UFO reports, there is a component within the MOD which deals with more
serious aspects of this subject. On October 23 1989, in the course of one of
my investigations, I contacted this particular MOD section. After the
preliminary conversation I was asked if I was prepared to sell my
investigation report to them; and later in the course of the conversation,
when I suggested sharing information, citing the national security aspects, I
was asked if I was prepared to sign a security agreement concerning this
issue. I was further asked to prepare a proposal and submit it to them. When
I inquired about some landing reports, I was asked to specify the date of the
particular cases I had in mind. Although this is a component of the MOD, it
is not situated in Whitehall. Neither is it Defence Intelligence 55 (DI55),
though sources within DI55 have been helpful in other investigations of mine.

Though several individuals in the UK who have witnessed serious UFO cases
have been visited by government officials, the MOD has repeatedly denied the
existence of such officials. Sometimes in uniform but mostly in civilian
clothes, these officials have approached witnesses asking them not to discuss
what they have seen with the public or the media. UFO folklore has termed
them the Men in Black (MIB).

The section in charge of such investigations is Aerospace Intelligence within
the MOD.

The MOD, and Air Staff 2(a) in particular, have been the chief focus of the
search for British information on UFOs. But examination of the MOD's old
files shows the absence of any Royal Navy reports. There is also a component
within the Admiralty in charge of UFO cases reported at sea, about which
researchers have little knowledge. I have also dealt with this component,
though I do not know its name.

How the Department of Defense treats UFOs

Due to its size the US Department of Defence (DoD)does not have a single unit
to handle UFO reports. Apart from the many departments known to UFO
researchers run from the Pentagon, there is another component about which no
public information is available. In the course of studying a serious UFO case
from the former Soviet Union, I was advised by the National Reconnaissance
Office(NRO) staff in the Pentagon to contact Pentagon House. (2)

Located outside the Pentagon, Pentagon House showed immense interest and I
was asked to provide them with the raw material I had.

All the official records made public under the UFO title are unevaluated
reports gathered through various human intelligence means. These reports
always quote the term UFO, as it has been relayed to them by sources. Mostly
these sources are civilians, unaware of the current official terminology used
by the US government. The US military uses two main terms in compiling and
studying the UFO subject: Uncorrelated Targets (UCT), for earth-bound
unidentified objects, and Uncorrelated Event Reports (UER) for space related
events. I wrote to North American Aerospace Defense Command, NORAD, about
their terminology. They replied:

'Historically, the term UFO was used by the Air Force starting in 1947 and
ending in 1974 with the shelving of the "Blue Book" project. We all know what
the term UFO means, we just don't use it.The specific term "UFO" is not
used by this command even though you could say that this term would equate to
UTR [unknown track report], either an uncorrelated event or an unknown track,
since an unidentified flying object could be considered either.'(3)


Further, I was told, 'Uncorrelated Events Reports (UERs), which are space
related events on the United States Space Command (USSPACECOM) side of the
house, are always classified SECRET.' (4)

Uncorrelated Targets are categorised as:

Significant UCTs, Nonsignificant UCTs, Critical UCTs, and

False UCTs. (5)


Copies of any serious UCT event are sent to the Missions Systems Integration
Board (MSIB). MSIB is composed of all NORAD and US Space Command directorates
and senior level representatives from Naval Space 

[CTRL] The Post-Jonestown Bodycount

[William Shannon]

-Caveat Lector-

Who Has Died Since 18 November 1978?
http://www-rohan.sdsu.edu/~remoore/jonestown/obits.html

Since 18 November 18 1978, numerous people associated with Peoples Temple and
Jonestown have died. Each death permanently removes part of the Jonestown
story, and makes it more imperative to recover that which remains.

The following is a list of people whose obituaries were published in the
newspaper cited after each reference. Please note: the dates indicate the day
the obituary was published and its location, rather than the date of death.
These obituaries can be also found on the Lexis-Nexis news service on the web
at http://web.lexis-nexis.com. The people are listed in alphabetical order,
not in chronological order of their deaths.

Paula Adams, Temple leader and companion to Laurence Mann (10/26/83,
Washington Post)

John Burke, U.S. Ambassador to Guyana (8/10/93, Washington Post)

Forbes Burnham, Guyana Prime Minister (8/7/85, Washington Post)

Richard Dwyer, U.S. Embassy official (8/31/91, Washington Post)

Robert Fabian, Peoples Temple receiver following November 1978 (6/11/93, San
Francisco Chronicle)

Charles Garry, attorney for Jim Jones and Peoples Temple (8/17/91, San
Francisco Chronicle)

Carlton Goodlett, newspaper publisher and physician to Jim Jones (1/27/97,
San Francisco Chronicle)

Chris Hatcher, psychiatrist who met with returning Temple members after
November 18 (2/27/99, San Francisco Chronicle)

John Jacobs, reporter, co-author of Raven (5/25/00, Los Angeles Times)

Cheddi Jagan, Guyanese political figure (3/7/97, Los Angeles Times)

Sir Lionel Luckhoo, Guyana lawyer (12/22/97, London Daily Telegraph)

Laurence E. Mann, Guyana’s ambassador to the U.S. (10/26/83, Washington Post)

Al  Jeannie Mills, aka Elmer  Deanna Mertle, two early defectors from
Peoples Temple, and founders of the Concerned Relatives and the Human Freedom
Center (2/28/80, Washington Post)

Tyrone Mitchell, Temple survivor (2/25/84, New York Times)

George Moscone, Mayor of San Francisco (12/1/78, Washington Post)

Robert Ode, U.S. Embassy official in Guyana in months after November 1978
(9/11/95, New York Times)

Michael Prokes, spokesperson for Peoples Temple (3/14/79, Washington Post)

Hyacinth Thrash, Temple survivor (11/22/95, Milwaukee Journal Sentinel)



The following deaths have not yet been confirmed with an obituary, but we are
researching them.

Leslie Mootoo, Guyana pathologist at Jonestown following deaths (2000)

Feodor Timofeyev, official at Soviet embassy in Guyana who met with Jonestown
leaders



This page of obituaries was created 19 June 2000.

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[CTRL] THE CIA, DRUGS, THE GHETTO AND THE MEDIA WHITEWASH

[William Shannon]

THE CIA, DRUGS, THE GHETTO — AND THE MEDIA WHITEWASH
http://www.copi.com/articles/Darker.html


by Peter Dale Scott



If you read the May 13 New York Times, it appeared that nine months of controversy 
over a major Contra-drug story, published last August by Gary Webb in the San Jose 
Mercury News, had finally been laid to rest. "Expose on Crack Was Flawed, Paper Says," 
read the dismissive headline. A Times editorial the next day claimed that Webb’s 
editor, Jerry Ceppos, had admitted in a column that Webb’s articles "had been poorly 
written." Three weeks later, the Times shifted its focus from the story to Webb 
himself, claiming that his "bare-knuckles" style and "penchant for self-promotion" had 
split the Mercury newsroom.

For a confused public, all this may have seemed like the last word. For those who had 
been following closely, Jerry Ceppos’ column of apology, and the Times’ one-sided 
oversimplification of it, were only further evidence of a dramatic cover-up, a 
whitewashing that does not stand up under scrutiny. The cover-up suggests further how 
frightened the establishment is of the truth behind the story: how U.S. law 
enforcement was subverted when it came to major drug-traffickers who were also Contra 
supporters, and how the CIA, by recurringly allying itself with the world’s biggest 
traffickers, has contributed to the increased flow of drugs into this country. 

This fear has been enhanced by the rise of the Internet as a public grapevine, a 
cottage industry alternative press. Amid all the wild stories one can pick up out 
there in cyberspace, there is also abundant documentation of the big media’s own role 
in a CIA-drug cover-up that has been going on for several decades.

In 1986, for example, San Francisco Examiner reporter Seth Rosenfeld broke the story 
that Contra leaders and supporters had been behind the "Frogman" cocaine shipment 
seized in San Francisco. The big media ignored this story until after Webb repeated it 
last August. Instead they reported Reagan’s charge on television, made only a few 
hours after the Examiner story, "that top Nicaraguan government officials are deeply 
involved in drug trafficking." (The DEA itself swiftly debunked this suspect 
allegation, saying that it had no evidence to implicate high-level Sandinista 
officials.)

But for almost a year the Internet has kept alive the series of stories by Gary Webb 
in the San Jose Mercury-News, alleging that a California drug ring supplied the 
cocaine for crack in Los Angeles’ black neighborhoods, and simultaneously channeled 
drug profits to the CIA-managed Contra Army in Central America. 

The Webb Story and the Efforts to Rebut It

Webb focused on three figures. One was "Freeway Ricky" Ross, a black dealer who 
introduced L.A. and other cities to crack. A second was Daniel Blandón, a Nicaraguan 
who not only supplied Ross (and others) with his cocaine, but developed the concept of 
creating a mass market for crack. The third was Norwin Meneses, the head of the 
"Frogman" connection importing cocaine for Blandón. Webb charged that both Meneses and 
Blandón met regularly with Contra leaders, and by supplying them with drug earnings 
gained protection from law enforcement. (Blandón, by turning in Ross, ended up on the 
DEA payroll; Ross, the black, ended up with a life sentence. Meneses was eventually 
convicted for trafficking, but in Nicaragua, never in the United States.)

These allegations have been challenged vigorously by the "responsible" U.S. press: 
those papers, above all the New York Times, the Los Angeles Times, and the Washington 
Post, who respond most swiftly to the needs and requests of their CIA sources.

For those who follow such matters, the special connection between these papers and the 
CIA is no secret. Watergate reporter Carl Bernstein once wrote in Rolling Stone that 
the CIA’s "relationship with the [New York] Times was by far its most valuable among 
newspapers, according to CIA officials. From 1950 to 1966, about 10 CIA officials were 
provided Times cover...[as] part of a general Times policy ... to provide assistance 
to the CIA whenever possible."

The situation at the Washington Post was hardly different. In 1988, the paper’s owner, 
Katharine Graham, said in a speech at the CIA’s Headquarters: "There are some things 
the general public does not need to know and shouldn’t. I believe democracy flourishes 
when the government can take legitimate steps to keep its secrets and when the press 
can decide whether to print what it knows."

Graham’s words came amid six years of extraordinary efforts by the Post to first 
suppress, and then contain, the explosive Contra-drug story. I was myself a witness in 
a secret Congressional hearing, of which the Post falsely reported the Chair as saying 
that "none of the 

[CTRL] Fwd: My Apology to the Media by Robert Lederman

[radman]

-Caveat Lector-

Date: Sat, 16 Sep 2000 01:30:06 -0500 (CDT)
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: My Apology to the Media by Robert Lederman

My Apology to the Media
by Robert Lederman

Boy, do I feel stupid. I've been blaming hard-working reporters
for biased coverage of the West Nile Virus issue, their silence on
the Manhattan Institute's Nazi-CIA-Eugenics link and for
refusing to report on the Bush family's close connection to
Hitler. In my naivete I was implying that the CIA was somehow
influencing their coverage.

How ignorant can one person get?

Now I know better. After following a series of leads starting from
an obscure article found on the internet the whole issue is much
clearer and I can announce my findings.

The media is not influenced by the CIA-the media is the CIA.

Not that I can claim any credit for this insight. There are
hundreds of carefully researched articles and even entire books
about this subject-not to mention a Congressional report
specifically about it.

What began the process of pulling the blinders from my eyes was
one sentence in a press release announcing Ronald Reagan's
nomination of William Casey-the founder of the Manhattan
Institute-to be his Director of the CIA.

The release mentioned that among Mr. Casey's many
accomplishments was that he ran the Reagan campaign,
conducted secret intelligence operations during WWII [with Nazi
ally and board member of I.G. Farben, Allen Dulles] was the
chair of Operation Rescue [a CIA front which helped thousands
of former Nazis emigrate to the U.S.], and manipulated the stock
market as chair of the Securities and Exchange Commission. It
went on to note that Casey was also the lead counsel [and as I
later found out-top stockholder] in Capital Cities, the
communications company that owned ABC until it was bought
by Disney in 1996. He held that textbook example of a conflict
of interest position while serving as CIA director.

Following that lead I found that many of Capital Cities founders
were also formerly involved in intelligence, many of them having
worked with Casey under Allen Dulles-the first CIA director.

In other words, ABC was owned by the CIA during the Gulf War
and throughout the Reagan, Bush and much of the Clinton
administrations. It was bought in 1996 by Disney, a company
with many allegations of its own to having a CIA-mind control
connection, whose creator had long been considered an FBI
informer. Perhaps that explains why Manhattan Institute poster
boy for a police state Rudy Giuliani's staged radio show is on
WABC.

Okay, you say, so ABC was owned by the CIA-that still leaves
two other major networks  and thousands of newspapers and
radio stations that aren't, right? CBS and NBC are owned by
Westinghouse and General Electric, the nation's two top
suppliers of military hardware, satellites, nuclear reactors and
spy equipment. One might be excused for imagining a
government connection there as well.

According to an article by investigative reporter Carl
Bernstein-"The CIA and the Media", Rolling Stone,
10/20/77-prominent US media owners and journalists who have
knowingly worked for the CIA include William Paley (CBS),
Arthur Sulzberger (NY Times), Henry Luce (Time/Life), William
Buckley (National Review), Ben Bradlee (Washington Post), and
hundreds of others.

  "By the early 1950s," writes former Village Voice  reporter
Deborah Davis in Katharine the Great, "Frank Wisner [head of
Allen Dulles' CIA clandestine operation to bring thousands of
top Nazis to America] 'owned'  respected members of the New
York Times, Newsweek, CBS and other communications
vehicles, plus at least four to six hundred reporters, according to
a former CIA analyst." This CIA network of top U.S. media
contacts was called Operation Mockingbird and was directly
overseen by CIA director Allen Dulles, the Nazis' number one
coordinator between American corporations and the Third Reich.

"You could get a journalist cheaper than a good call girl, for a
couple hundred dollars a month." CIA operative discussing with
Philip Graham, editor Washington Post, on the availability and
prices of journalists willing to peddle CIA propaganda and cover
stories. From: "Katherine The Great," by Deborah Davis, New
York: Sheridan Square Press, 1991.

  In a 1988 speech at CIA headquarters, Washington Post
publisher Katherine Graham said, "We live in a dirty and
dangerous world. There are some things the general public does
not need to know and shouldn't. I believe democracy flourishes
when the government can take legitimate steps to keep its secrets,
and when the press can decide whether to print what it knows."
-Quoted in Journalism and the CIA: The Mighty Wurlitzer by
Daniel Brandt
http://www.geocities.com/CapitolHill/8425/CIAPRESS.HTM

While we watch these absurdly hypocritical Congressional
hearings on violence in the media, let's keep this CIA-media
connection in mind. If the media is peddling violence, sex, drugs
and depravity to our kids, we have to wonder what 

[CTRL] Interview W/ Abrams And Others Re: GUATEMALA MASSACRES

[William Shannon]

-Caveat Lector-

Guatemala Massacre
http://www.copi.com/articles/GUATMALA.HTM
Excerpts from "Charlie Rose," March 31, 1995
Guests: Rep. Robert Torricelli, Elliot Abrams, Allan Nairn

--
--
This may not be news to most Deep Times readers, but it is a conveniently
packaged interview that might be effective with students when discussing
"human rights" and imperialism. The massacre in Guatemala of 100,000 is on a
proportionate scale, equivalent to TWENTY FIVE THOUSAND Tienamien Square
incidents. That's 25,000 times as many deaths, in relation to the size of the
country, and of course, students know quite a bit more about the China
incident than they do about Guatemala.
-(forwarded by Alan Spector)


--
--
. Rose: Tell me what you have found out, Allan. You've got a story in the
Nation magazine thats called "CIA Death Squad: Americans Have Been Directly
Involved in Guatemalan Army Killings." What can you add to this story before
I go to Elliot in Washington?
. Nairn: Alpirez is one Colonel on the CIA payroll who committed two murders.
From talking to both Guatemalan and US operatives involved in this, its clear
that there are many, perhaps dozens of Guatemalan military officers on the
CIA payroll who've been involved in thousands of killings. The G-2, the
military intelligence service which coordinates tha assinations and
disappearances -- their top officials have for years been paid by the CIA. I
was able to learn the names of three of them who've been on the payroll, as
well as General Hector Gramajo, General Roberto Matta, two of the top
officers, closest US proteges, who've been directly involved in commanding
massacres in the Northwest Highlands. Furthermore, there are actual US CIA
agents who work directly inside the G-2. I was able to learn the names of two
of them, Joe Jacarino and Randy Capister. They provide what's called
technical assistance and advice. I was able to reach colonel Alpirez on the
phone in Guatemala. He denied being involved in the Devine and Bamaca
killings, said the CIA wasn't paying him, but he talked rather extensively
about how the CIA essentially helps to run the G-2 with ongoing advice and
American advisers right there inside this systematic killing operation.

Rose: You recorded this conversation?

Nairn: No, I took extensive notes on it. And its not just the CIA. Its the
Pentagon, the State Department, and the White House as well. For example,
here are some internal State Department records which indicate that during
both the Bush and Clinton administrations after there was a supposed cutoff
of military aid to Guatemala, the State Department authorized at least 114
separate sales of pistols and rifles to Guatemala. The US military has been
planning joint maneuvers with the Guatemalan military this spring. This is an
across the board policy and you have to hold the President accountable for
that.

Rose: Elliot, you were Assistant Secretary of State for Latin American
affairs during the Reagan administration. Tell me what you make of this
story, what you know about what went on during the Reagan administration and
perhaps what you have learned about this story since it broke.

Abrams: I may not know as many facts about this as Bob Toricelli does but
from what I can see there's a lot less here than meets the eye. The fact that
the CIA maintains relationships with intelligence people and military people
in Central America and throughout the world is not news. The fact that some
of them are pretty unattractive people is not news... That we had an ongoing
CIA program in Guatemala at a time there was a military cutoff, you can't do
that without a finding, its got to be approved by the House and Senate
Intelligence Committees. So one question to ask is: if the intelligence
committee's didn't like this why didn't they stop it? Before we start jumping
up and down here and saying this is another case of the CIA out of control,
here I think I might agree with Mr. Nairn that if this was a Bush and Clinton
policy, then lets talk about the policy of the President in both cases, and
lets not start talking about a rogue CIA which does not yeat appear to me to
exist.

Rose: Let me just ask you a hypothetical question. Would you as an assistant
secretary of state for Latin American affairs, if you found out that our
government was paying a man in the Guatemalan military after it learned that
he had been implicated in the assassination of an American or someone married
to an American , would you be outraged?...

Abrams: I would certainly be outraged in the Devine case which looked like
the cold blooded murder of an innocent American. The notion that we would
continue to employ such a person would give him and others in the Guatemalan
military the sense that we just didn't care about the killing of American
citizens. The Bamaca case is a 

Re: [CTRL] Fw: St. John's Wort as Effective as Antidepressant Drug 9/17/00

[NSA]

-Caveat Lector-

- Original Message -
From: "Amelia" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, September 21, 2000 1:54 AM
Subject: [CTRL] Fw: St. John's Wort as Effective as Antidepressant Drug
9/17/00
 How does this tie into conspiracies?

Frankly, I don't think it does in terms of any "conspiracy" that i know of -
although many 'Conspiracy Theorists' are extremely DEPRESSIVE personalities
(ggg)!

Major pharmaceutical companies are attempting to prevent
 free access to alternatives to their products.

Perhaps I'm mistaken, but looking on my common supermarket shelves, St Johns
Wort is readily available for purchase, and some of it is bottled and
marketed by well-to-do and known pharmaceutical companies.

One I think ought be at least a tad cautious in this day and age, particular
those addicted to, or imbibing heavy doses of the "conspiracy" milieu who
seem to blindly leap into anything simply because it is badged as
"ALTERNATIVE," or "secret knowledge," or "conspiracy."

This area is now largely penetrated and dominated by "BIG CORP" and the use
of the above euphemisms is little more than SMART MARKETING to the loony
Esoteric, neo-Gnostic, Anarchist, Voguish, dippy New-Age-Oprah oddballs, and
so on and so forth types, who are besotted with such "alternative"
lip-homage placebos.

 These products could be
 equally beneficial as the very costly traditional ones.  Any other
 information required to post an article?

I've heard people speak well of the stuff that have used it, against some of
the addictive, and side-issues of the pharma-chemical concoctions they also
tried -  but I don't know if there have been any serious long term or
scientific studies done?



 Sent: Sunday, September 17, 2000 10:58 AM
 Subject: St. John's Wort as Effective as Antidepressant Drug 9/17/00


  http://www.mercola.com/2000/sept/17/st_johns_wort_depression.htm
 

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[CTRL] The OPAL File

[William Shannon]

from-http://www.textfiles.com/conspiracy/opal.txt

 Opal.doc

[CTRL] Jehovah'a Witnesses Mind Control

[William Shannon]

http://religiousfrauds.50megs.com/jw/mindcontrol.html

 JehovasW.doc

[CTRL] Fw: An Undersea Narco Navy?

[NSA]

- - A Sub 
Greater Than Its Parts - -There are two distinct, mutually 
exclusive reactions one can have to the newsthat Colombian drug runners were 
building a 100-foot-long submarine capable ofshipping 200 tons of cocaine to 
America.To the drug warriors it is proof positive that their actions are 
turning upthe heat on the narcos. Why else would the smugglers take such 
extraordinarysteps to slip the anti-drug gauntlet that rings the US? Keep 
the pressure upand the coke supply line will dry up.The alternative 
view is that a sub being built 7,500 feet up in the Andes is aclear sign 
that the Drug War cannot be won. The resources required to evenattempt such 
a thing are immense. But the truly rare thing is the will neededto attempt 
the task. The will in turn, is a product of the huge reward thatwould flow 
from success.There is nothing the drug warriors can do to diminish the 
reward that awaitsthe person who is able to reliably bring 200 tons of coke 
to the US. In fact,to the extent the interdiction of other shipments are 
successful the value ofthe sub cargo only increases.Recent history 
suggests, however, that right now planners somewhere inWashington are 
sketching out what it would take to station US Navy subs, onesthat once 
tracked Soviet missile boats, along the Colombian coastline.Onward, 
victory.

http://www.abcnews.go.com/sections/world/DailyNews/colombia000907.html

Re: [CTRL] Psychology of Conspiracy Theories - CFP

[Foxter]

Yup, the war is on and it's a spiritual one. I totally agree.
I have been lax.
Best to all.


  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Justine 
  Blake 
  To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  Sent: Wednesday, September 20, 2000 8:46 
  AM
  Subject: [CTRL] Psychology of Conspiracy 
  Theories - CFP
  -Caveat Lector-Who is kidding 
  who? This country is being set for the kill by a handfulof 
  evil pepole - evil is, as evil does and by their fruits, you shall 
  knowthem - as they say it is not the snake in the open but the one in the 
  grassthat is deadly. Smart man told me that once - the enemy 
  within who walksand talks as you do but in secret is like a Henry 
  Kissinger, KGB Agent codename Bor.A. 
  SabaAbsolutely.There is no more need for "debate" 
  with those under the influence of satanicforces, those guilt-ridden 
  liberals who don't even know their own minds,those straights who act as 
  apologists for the sodomites and help them pushtheir homosexual agenda, 
  under the guise of "tolerance". Conscript parentsof sodomites, brain- wash 
  them into politikal korrektness and get them onPBS talking, writing 
  articles.What could be more absurd than a straight person "helping" 
  the militanthomosexual agenda? Straights under the guise of "religion" 
  too, helping thesodomites to call it "good" to heckle and boo the 
  boys of the BSA (whatever happened to all the "to do" over the "children"? 
  Do sodomites ummm"care" about these boys when their own agenda is at 
  stake? Does it look likeit?). And helping the sodomites to call it "good" 
  that sodomite propagandaand brain-washing has infiltrated the kindergarten 
  and elementary sckools ofAmerika. And sodomites big thing in life is 
  "Mentoring". Wouldn't they*love* to be in the position of...Those 
  change agents and facilitators trained by the GLSEN and other 
  groups,backed by Marxist, Leninist, and Socialist thought, and behind them 
  Nazitactics, working on those guilt-ridden liberal fools.Soft 
  Christians trying to live by Jesus' words, "loving the sinner buthating 
  the sin". Meanwhile, being double-minded and konfused, the enemyenters 
  their schools and is after their boy scouts.Farrakhan has eyes to see 
  and is teaching his people very well the nature ofracism. And they rise up 
  to the challenge, even with AK-47s.Farrakhan teaches well the nature 
  of things.Pat Robertson helps to speak for almost long-forgotten 
  morality. LauraSchlessinger too. And those poor outraged rabbis having a 
  fit that sodomitesare in their holocaust museum.Christians know 
  the beauty of their weapons. It's spiritual warfare and it'stime to dust 
  them off and look at them once again, get the feel of them,admire them 
  Slow train coming down the track...And it's spiritual warfare, flesh 
  and blood breaking down. You either gotfaith or you got unbelief -- and 
  there is NO Neutral 
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[CTRL] EU Confirmed To Be U.S. Intel. Brainchild

[William Shannon]

-Caveat Lector-

ORIGIN OF EUROPEAN UNION CONFIRMED TO BE
BRAINCHILD OF U.S. INTELLIGENCE
From jvim.com
9-19-00

http://www.seebo.net/eu.html
The London Telegraph reported: “Declassified American government documents
show that the US intelligence community ran a campaign in the Fifties and
Sixties to build momentum for a united Europe. It funded and directed the
European federalist movement.

The documents confirm suspicions voiced at the time that America was working
aggressively behind the scenes to push Britain into a European state. "One
memorandum, dated July 26, 1950, gives instructions for a campaign to promote
a fully fledged European parliament. It is signed by Gen William J Donovan,
head of the American wartime Office of Strategic Services, precursor of the
CIA.

The documents were found by Joshua Paul, a researcher at Georgetown
University in Washington. They include files released by the US National
Archives. Washington's main tool for shaping the European agenda was the
American Committee for a United Europe, created in 1948. The chairman was
Donovan, ostensibly a private lawyer by then. The vice-chairman was Allen
Dulles, the CIA director in the Fifties.” The board included Walter Bedell
Smith, the CIA's first director, and a roster of ex-OSS figures and officials
who moved in and out of the CIA.

The documents show that ACUE financed the European Movement, the most
important federalist organization in the post-war years. In 1958, for
example, it provided 53.5 per cent of the movement's funds. The European
Youth Campaign, an arm of the European Movement, was wholly funded and
controlled by Washington. The Belgian director, Baron Boel, received monthly
payments into a special account.

When the head of the European Movement, Polish-born Joseph Retinger, bridled
at this degree of American control and tried to raise money in Europe, he was
quickly reprimanded. The leaders of the European Movement - Retinger, the
visionary Robert Schuman and the former Belgian prime minister Paul-Henri
Spaak - were all treated as hired hands by their American sponsors. The US
role was handled as a covert operation.

ACUE's funding came from the Ford and Rockefeller foundations as well as
business groups with close ties to the US government. The head of the Ford
Foundation, ex-OSS officer Paul Hoffman, doubled as head of ACUE in the late
Fifties. The State Department also played a role.

A memo from the European section, dated June 11, 1965, advises the
vice-president of the European Economic Community, Robert Marjolin, to pursue
monetary union by stealth. It recommends suppressing debate until the point
at which ‘adoption of such proposals would become virtually inescapable’.”

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Re: [CTRL] Fw: St. John's Wort as Effective as Antidepressant Drug 9/17/00

[Robert F. Tatman]

-Caveat Lector-

I've seen this report before; it appears legitimate.  Now to the conspiracy
connections: first, ALL of the big pharmaceutical firms have their own lines of
"natural" remedies either on the shelves now or ready to go.  Second, consider
the Codex Alimentarius factor--will natural/herbal remedies still be allowed
when the entire planet has come under the Codex?  I suspect that the NWO, or
rather the faction of it that's pushing the Codex, favors synthesized medicines
over herbal ones, partly because there is less potential risk to endangered
species and ecosystems, especially in the tropical rain forests.

- Original Message -
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Sent: Wednesday, September 20, 2000 11:54 AM
Subject: [CTRL] Fw: St. John's Wort as Effective as Antidepressant Drug 9/17/00


 -Caveat Lector-

 Let's see--I am supposed to announce whether or not I believe this.  I have
 not decided as yet.  And that is what the "Caveat Lector" is all about. Plus
 my personal beliefs are none of anybody else's business. How does this tie
 into conspiracies?  Major pharmaceutical companies are attempting to prevent
 free access to alternatives to their products.  These products could be
 equally beneficial as the very costly traditional ones.  Any other
 information required to post an article?

 Sent: Sunday, September 17, 2000 10:58 AM
 Subject: St. John's Wort as Effective as Antidepressant Drug 9/17/00


  http://www.mercola.com/2000/sept/17/st_johns_wort_depression.htm
 


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Re: [CTRL] Mind Games (was: [CTRL] NAZI POLICY TOWARD HOMOSEXUALS)

[Ynr Chyldz Wyld]

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From: "Tenorlove" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 The real waste of bandwidth is that this identical post was sent to the
 list FOUR TIMES!

I apologize to the list for that...it was definitely done inadvertantly, my system 
'hiccuped' this morning
every time I tried to send the post, crashing before it seemed to have sent it.


June

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Re: [CTRL] NAZI POLICY TOWARD HOMOSEXUALS

[tenebroust]

-Caveat Lector-

It's my pleasure.  Incidentally I think that everyone would be happier here if there 
wasn't the immediate knee jerk reaction to confront that there is by some.  That IS 
NOT TO SAY that one should just dumbly accept whatever is posted without asking for 
facts and follow up.  Let's just not take it all so personally.  Remember if you post 
you face the same possibility of demands for facts and proof, etc.  It is the nature 
of the game, but one must remember that there is no mandate to kkep a running debate 
going forever, so plan your battles carefully and only respond where you feel prepared 
to continue, otherwise maybe it is best to let it ride.  Just some friendly advice to 
all.


On Mon, 18 September 2000, Amelia wrote:


 Thank you so much tenebroust,
 I was beginning to think I was missing posts, etc.  Also, I think we should
 remember our motto "Caveat Lector" for each reader to beware and judge for
 himself the validity of a post. Disinformation is fraught in conspiracies.
 It is also not a good idea to assume a post represents the poster's personal
 beliefs, either.  If I post the Communist Manifesto, does that make me a
 communist?  I think not. Many posts are sent for the dissemination of
 information only, maybe only to show what is being said on a particularly
 subject.  To attribute that to the person's "own personal beliefs" is very
 presumptuous.  As for being divisive, well, I am  not the one inventing
 things that were allegedly said in order to rant against them for days.  And
 shame on you-know-who for reacting to Kris' wanting a little peace of mind
 for his symposium!  All I was going to do was greet newcomers and help them
 avoid the landmines and learn about our limited bandwidth!  No coup d'etat
 planned. :)  I am always available to any new folks if you have questions
 about how the list operates or posting, etc.
 Peace to All,
 Amelia


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 Sent: Sunday, September 17, 2000 11:29 PM
 Subject: Re: [CTRL] NAZI POLICY TOWARD HOMOSEXUALS


  There have been several list members who have made the accusation that the
 majority of pedophiles are homosexual in sexual orientation.  That assertion
 was challenged and never successfully defended (at leat to my recollection).
 I don't believe it was ever stated by anyone that ALL pedophiles are
 homosexuals or that all homosexuals are pedophiles, so to my recollection,
 your assertion on that subject is correct.
 
 
  On Sat, 16 September 2000, Amelia wrote:
 
  
   June, Are you saying the two terms are mutually exclusive?  While a
 person
   may have one primary sexual identity, it does not mean they are
 incapable of
   committing acts normally attributed to another identity.  A person with
 a
   primary identity of being homosexual may or may not be capable of
 committing
   acts of pedophilia, the same as a heterosexual.
  

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Re: [CTRL] CIA-DRUGS CONFERENCE, LOS ANGELES SEPT. 23,

[tenebroust]

-Caveat Lector-

Kudos once again to Kris.  It sounds like the conference will be great.  I wish I 
could attend.



On Mon, 18 September 2000, Kris Millegan wrote:


 -Caveat Lector-

 CIA-DRUGS CONFERENCE, LOS ANGELES SEPT. 23,
 TO FEATURE ARKANSAS TRAIN DEATH MOTHERS


 An all day CIA-Drugs Symposium featuring nationally known speakers will be
 held in Los Angeles on Saturday, September 23 at Patriot Hall, 1816 S.
 Figueroa Ave. in downtown Los Angeles. Doors will open at 8:30 AM and
 Conference presentations will start at 9Am and run to 6 PM.

 In the city where the crack cocaine epidemic began a special theme will be
 an expression of unity for all the mothers of those affected. In addition to
 a presentation from LA activists Donna Warren and Didon Kamathi, Linda Ives,
 Jean Duffey and Mara Leveritt will make presentations as the mother,
 prosecutor and author personally touched by the brutal murder of two
 teenaged boys in the Arkansas countryside after they ran across CIA
 connected drug smuggling in the 1980s.

 Keynote speaker for the event will be noted author and UC Professor Peter
 Dale Scott ("Iran-Contra Connection" and "Cocaine politics"). Additional
 presentations will be made by FTW Publisher/Editor and former LAPD narc,
 Mike Ruppert; retired DEA Agent Celerino Castillo; and author/producer
 Daniel Hopsicker. Topics to be discussed will be the Colombian ground war,
 already drawing U.S. troops, the recent Ninth Circuit Court decision
 confirming evidence of CIA drug ties during the 1980s and much, much more.

 Admission is on a sliding scale with a $10 donation suggested, but no one
 will be turned away.

 For additional information please contact conference organizer Kris Millegan
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 [EMAIL PROTECTED] , or
 877-642-8321 ext. 9696

 Or visit the conference web site at www.cia-drugs.org

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 Em Hotep, Peace Be,
 All My Relations.
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[CTRL] Fw: Naples Saint's Blood Liquefies, Citizens Relieved

[Ynr Chyldz Wyld]

-Caveat Lector-

FYI, not necessarily representative of my own beliefs

June


- Original Message -

 Naples Saint's Blood Liquefies, Citizens Relieved

 Updated 8:12 AM ET September 20, 2000


 NAPLES, Italy (Reuters) - The substance believed by many Neapolitans to be the dried 
blood of their city's
patron, Saint Gennaro, liquefied right on schedule Tuesday.  Clergymen held aloft the 
powdery substance in its
glass vial as thousands of the faithful gathered in the southern city's cathedral, and 
after about an  hour of
prayers they displayed the vial again, its contents liquefied.

 The substance usually turns to liquid twice a year -- on September 19, the saint's 
feast day, and on the
first Saturday in May.

Some Neapolitans, traditionally very superstitious, fear disaster may strike the city 
if the blood of the
fourth-century martyr does not turn to liquid.

 Disaster has struck at least five times after the blood failed to liquefy, including 
in November 1980 when
some 3,000 people died in a massive earthquake that struck southern Italy.

 Scientists have confirmed that the substance inside the closed vial is blood but 
cannot explain why it
regularly turns to liquid.

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Re: [CTRL] Keep the Homophobes Out of Our Discussion

[tenebroust]

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It surely an be argued that conspiratorial forces are at work behind some movements 
and that some homosexual agendas may be used for that purpose.  If one wanted to argue 
these issues, and leave out the ranting and raving of how it is "evil" or "bad" for 
people to be homosexual, or how "homosexuals are invading our . . . ", or "they are 
indoctrinating our children to become homosexual", then I think the discussion would 
be pertinent to this list, otherwise, it is off topic.  Be warned that if you say 
there is a conspiratorial force at work, then you better be prepared to name it and 
give a little bit of facts to support it.


On Mon, 18 September 2000, "Damian B. Cooper" wrote:


 -Caveat Lector-

 At 11:21 AM 9/17/00 -0700, nessie [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  wrote:
 This is a list devoted to conspiracy. Homosexuality is off topic and
 diversionary.

 Oh  brother!

 If you don't understand that homosexuals and homosexuality are being
 manipulated by others with an agenda that has damn little to do with either,
 you don't understand "conspiracy".

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[CTRL] Fw: Authorities Make Record Cocaine Seizure

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Note the nearest town...sounds like potus is stocking up for post Jan. 2001?  ;-)

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 Authorities Make Record Cocaine Seizure

 Updated 8:11 AM ET September 20, 2000


 LITTLE ROCK, Ark. (Reuters) - More than ten tons of cocaine valued by authorities at 
$125 million was
confiscated from a transport truck in what Arkansas authorities said on Tuesday was 
the largest cocaine
seizure in the state's history.

"We weren't in a position to make public the details until today," Randy Ort, a 
spokesman for the Arkansas
Department of Transportation, said of Monday's seizure.

 Ort said state highway policemen were inspecting a tractor-trailer rig on Interstate 
30 near Hope, Arkansas,
when they uncovered processed cocaine hidden in a shipment of cantaloupes.  Twelve 
thousand dollars in cash
was also found in the truck.

 The truck driver and a passenger, both believed to be Oklahoma residents, were 
arrested and jailed in the
town of Hope.  Bond for the driver was set at $2 million, while bond for the passenger 
was set at one million.
"They've lost somebody a lot of money," Ort said.  "They're probably safer in jail 
than anywhere else."

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Re: [CTRL] Fw: Authorities Make Record Cocaine Seizure

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Well Kris - just in time for your conference.  Isn't Hope where they had
school shootings

Old days it was fun to certain stocks go up and down when they had a
major bust...no wonder Clinton's do not want to go back to Arkansas
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Wonder if the old Odessa Drug Route is still operating like the "Sollog"
line?

Anyway - seems Hope, Arkansas was where they had a school shooting if I
am correctall roads now lead to Arkansas - will it be Tennessee or
Texas when the guard changes for - well one thing for sure - the heats
on in Arkansas ..

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Re: [CTRL] EU Confirmed To Be U.S. Intel. Brainchild

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Bill, you might want to repost this.  This is all I received--no article nor
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Re: [CTRL] SNET: It Bears Repeating......Again (fwd)

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This is a bunch of stupid, sloppy, unhistorical sentimental crap.


 A  VISITOR  FROM  THE  PAST

 I had a dream the other night, I didn't understand,
 A figure walking through the mist with flintlock in his hand.
 His clothes were torn and dirty as he stood there by my bed,
 He took off his three cornered hat, and speaking low, he said:

 "We fought a revolution to secure our liberty.

Bullshit #1- The Founding Finaglers got a minority of traitors to fight
against their home country and their own loyal countrymen so that they,
not the the Brits could divert the wealth of of the colonies into their
own pockets.

 We wrote the Constitution as a shield from tyranny.

Bullshit #2- The Shays rebellion was a rebellion against the revolutionary
oligarchy. Common soldiers mounted attacks on the Continental Congress in
Philadelphia forcing " our heroes " to flee across the river to Princeton N.J.
These rebellions FORCED our glorious Founding Finaglers to concede to the
common soldiers ( as misrepresented by the ghost in this silly poem )a Bill
of Rights.

The defeat of Shays' rebellion marked the end of the possibility of democratic
rights for all. Even those who fought the British. There were MANY such small
rebellions before and AFTER the revolution. By 1760 there had been 18 rebellions
aimed at overthrowing COLONIAL GOVERNMENTS. The rich oligarchs introduced
property qualifications to disenfranchise the poor, and secure privilege for
themselves politically. In other words, they passed laws that said only the rich
could vote.

The new Americans fought for their democratic and economic rights against the
very men who wrote the constitution. The wealthy ruling elites of their
time. George Washington was the richest man in the colonies. The Bill Gates
of his day. The land stealing, slave holding, merchant, oligarchs.

 For future generations this legacy we gave.
 In this, the land of the free and the home of the brave.

Bullshit #3- Who can take this silly drivel seriously? The country was
filled with slaves, indentured servants, dispossessed aboriginals, and
half the white population had no say what so ever because they wore tits.

 You buy permits to travel, and permits to own a gun,
 Permits to start a business, or to build a place for one.
 On land that you believe you own,

On land you believe you own??? How did you get that land?

 you pay a yearly rent.
 Although you have no voice in choosing how the money's spent.

 Your children must attend a school, that doesn't educate.

Depends where.

 Your Christian values can't be taught, according to the state.

Good. I'm not particularly interested in your values and I don't
want YOUR values taught to MY children.

 You read about the current news in a regulated press.

Regulated by corporate interests.

 You pay a tax you do not owe, to please the I.R.S.

You got that right.

 Your money is no longer made of Silver, or of Gold.
 You trade your wealth for paper, so your life can be controlled.
 You pay for crimes that make our Nation turn from God in shame.
 You've taken Satan's number as you've traded in your name.

Ooh scary.

 You've given government control, to those who do you harm,
 So they can padlock churches,

I haven't seen any padlocked churches. Only tax exempt churches.

 and steal the family farm;

You got that right. They were stolen by corporate control of vertical
pricing Squeezing out all but the largest producers.

 And keep our country deep in debt, put men of God in jail,
 Harass your fellow countrymen, while corrupted courts prevail.

 Your public servants don't uphold the solemn oath they've sworn.

You got that right.

 Your daughters visit doctors so their children won't be born.

My daughter visits doctors when she has a cold.

 Your leaders ship artillery and guns to foreign shores.
 And send your sons to slaughter, fighting other people's wars.

Well, we agree here. Keep the troops at home. There's no honor in
dying for Exxon.

 Can you regain the freedom for which we fought and died?
 Or don't you have the courage, or the faith to stand with pride
 Are there no more values, for which you'll fight to save?
 Or do you wish your children, live in fear and be a slave

I'll bet the genius who wrote this marvelous poetry knows some nifty
Limericks.

 Sons of the Republic, arise and take a stand
 Defend the Constitution, the Supreme Law of the Land

...er never mind.

 Preserve our great Republic, and each GOD-Given Right.
 And pray to GOD to keep the torch of Freedom burning bright."

There are no god given rights. The torch is currently in Australia.

 

[CTRL] Political Perspective

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Subject: Political Perspective
Date: Monday, September 04, 2000 6:56 PM

U.S. v. Emerson:
It's Not Just About 'Assault Weapons' Anymore

by Mike Dillon in THE BLUE PRESS

The Constitution and Bill of Rights DOES NOT protect your right to own or
possess firearms!  The Second Amendment only allows you to use a firearm
while in the National Guard!

That is the publicly stated position of the Clinton-Gore Justice Department.
This position was not whispered in some back-room meeting--it was stated in
open court in a case now before the 5th Circuit Court of Appeals.

The appellate court is hearing the government's appeal of U.S. v. Emerson, a
Texas case resulting from a divorce action that resulted in Dr. Timothy Joe
Emerson being indicted by a federal grand jury.  Emerson was in violation of
the Lautenberg Amendment--the local court had placed a restraining order
against him, making it against federal law for him to possess a firearm.

In April 1999, U.S. District Court Judge Sam Cummings ruled that this law was
an unconstitutional infringement of the "individual right to bear arms."
Cummings set aside the indictment, and in doing so, struck a grievous blow to
the gun prohibitionists.  Of course, the government appealed the decision.
Now, if Cummings' decision is upheld on appeal, not only will the Lautenberg
Amendment be invalidated, hundreds of gun laws will be in jeopardy of being
struck down.

We're all holding our breath awaiting the Court of Appeals' ruling,
especially since the most significant bit of information to come out of the
case is the on-record position of "our" government on the Second Amendment.
The following exchange is from the transcript of the oral arguments:

Judge William L. Garwood:  "You are saying that the Second Amendment is
consistent with a position that you can take guns away from the public?  You
can restrict ownership of rifles, pistols and shotguns from all people?  Is
that the position of the United States?"

Assistant US Attorney William B. Mateja:  "Yes."

Garwood:  "Is it the position of the United States that persons who are not
in the National Guard are afforded no protections under the Second Amendment?"

Mateja:  "Exactly."

Mateja then argued that even membership in the National Guard would not
qualify an individual to possess firearms.

Garwood:  "Membership in the National Guard isn't enough?  What else is
needed?"

Mateja:  "The weapon in question must be used IN the National Guard."

That pretty much disqualifies your Model 70, your Model 700, your Marlin 336,
your Perazzi, your Weatherby, your Anshutz, or your Merkel from protection
under the Second Amendment, now doesn't it?  And you thought the government
was only after those nasty high-capacity handguns and "assault weapons."  But
you didn't have nay of those, so you weren't worried.  For the terminally
clueless, let me spell it out -- IT'S LONG PAST TIME TO START WORRYING.  IT'S
TIME TO ACT!

Your deer rifle and your duck gun are on the same "to-confiscate" list as all
handguns, "assault" rifles and "sniper" rifles.  It makes no difference what
your gun looks like, the official position of the Clinton-Gore administration
(which will continue under Gore if he's elected) is that YOU have NO right to
own it.

You can continue to hide in your duck or deer blind and pretend that you're
not a target.  Keep pretending, right up until that day when the government
looks at the roster of hunting licenses (you know, that infamous "list" you
don't want to be on by joining the NRA) and comes to your house to confiscate
your "thutty-thutty."

Oh, you'll fight?  You'll give up your gun when they pry it from your cold,
dead fingers?  Bullshit.  If you won't fight now by spending a few bucks on
the NRA, why should I believe that you'll be willing to spend your BLOOD
later?  I don't know about you, but I'd much rather fight to keep them from
taking my rights away at the ballot box instead of trying to get them back by
fighting in the street.

What can you do?  First, if you're not already registered, register to vote.
Second, join the NRA, today.  Third, and most important, tell all your
hunting and skeet-shooting buddies that they need to do the same if they want
to keep eating pheasant, duck, and venison.  This is not just a fight to keep
politically incorrect "weapons," it's a fight to keep ALL firearms, AND the
freedom our forefathers won with firearms.

You MUST pull your head out of the sand (or wherever else you have it) long
enough to understand these points:
1.  The Emerson case IS going to the Supreme Court.  The losing side will
 appeal and the Supreme Court will ultimately decide the case.  

[CTRL] How it's done: Why Nader and Buchanan are not permited to debate.

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Date:
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Dear Friends,

After having read recently that the televised presidential debates were not
going to include Nader or Buchanan, I wanted to find out more about the
organization which decided that 15% support is necessary to be included in
the debates.

So after looking up the history of the foundation of the Commision on the
Presidential Debates (CDP) at
http://www.debates.org/pages/report.html#findings
we find that it was created in 1987 after two study groups issued reports
recommending this.

The first report was done in 1985 by the Center for Strategic and
International Studies.  We know that their board of trustees has 32 members
of which 18 are Council on Foreign Relations members.  To see this, compare
list of board members of CSIS
http://www.csis.org/html/csislead.html
with the CFR membership list
http://www.geocities.com/CapitolHill/2807/CFR97list.html

The second report was done in 1986 by the Twentieth Century Foundation
(formerly the Twentieth Century Fund).  We find that the TCF board of
trustees
http://www.tcf.org/About_TCF/Board_of_Trustees.html
has 27 members, of which 12 are Council on Foreign Relations members
(compare the TCF trustee list to the CFR list above).

I feel that Buchanan and Nader should be included.  The Commission on the
Presidential Debates was created to exclude people like Nader and Buchanan
and to limit the debate to include only those candidates "hand picked" by
Council on Foreign Relations members and their rich and powerful friends.

Sincerely,
Eric Yandell



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[CTRL] Fwd: Ervin, now Radek...who else is getting paid extra for losing taxpayers money?

[Kris Millegan]

JERRY SEPER, WASHINGTON TIMES: The Clinton administration has handed out
$180 million in bonuses to top Justice Department executives since 1993,
including Lee J. Radek, head of the agency's Public Integrity Section, who
vigorously opposed the appointment of an independent counsel to investigate
Vice President Al Gore. Bonuses also went to Robert K. Bratt, former head of
the department's international police training section, and his top
assistant, Joseph R. Lake Jr., who were accused last week of mishandling
classified documents and improperly obtaining visas for two Russian women

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THE ANNOTATED RAY

FROM THE RAY STATEMENT: The Madison Guaranty/Whitewater investigation
resulted in the conviction of 12 defendants, including former Arkansas
Governor Jim Guy Tucker, Jim and Susan McDougal, and former Associate
Attorney General Webster L. Hubbell. This Office investigated whether Jim
and Susan McDougal committed any crimes in connection with Madison Guaranty,
CMS, or Whitewater Development by using control of two financial
institutions - Madison Guaranty and Madison Bank  Trust - to lend money to
or for the benefit of Whitewater Development and to pay Whitewater
Development financial obligations at a time when the McDougals and the
Clintons jointly owned Whitewater Development. In May 1996, Jim and Susan
McDougal were convicted in federal court in Arkansas of various crimes
involving Madison Guaranty, CMS, and Whitewater Development. According to
one federal bank regulatory agency, the failure of Madison Guaranty cost the
taxpayers $73 million.

[The cost to taxpayers of Madison Guaranty was considerably more than that
of the entire special counsel investigation. Since Clinton supporters make
much of the latter costs, it is probably inconsistent to refer to the
Madison-Whitewater case as a "two-bit land deal."]

This Office investigated whether President and Mrs. Clinton knowingly
participated in any criminal conduct related to Madison Guaranty, CMS, or
Whitewater Development or had any knowledge of such conduct. This Office
determined that the evidence was insufficient to prove to a jury beyond a
reasonable doubt that either President or Mrs. Clinton knowingly
participated in any criminal conduct involving Madison Guaranty, CMS, or
Whitewater Development or knew of such conduct. The evidence relating to
their testimony and conduct, in connection with this investigation and other
investigations involving the same entities, was also, in the judgment of
this Office, insufficient to prove to a jury beyond a reasonable doubt that
either of them committed any criminal offense, including perjury.

[The Clintons now fully meet the Democratic Party's standard for holding
public office, namely that criminal evidence against them be "insufficient
to prove to a jury beyond a reasonable doubt." Generally speaking under the
law, any old crook can be elected to Congress, although the President, in
what is becoming a quaint anachronism, still solemnly swears to "faithfully
execute" his office and "to the best of my ability, preserve, protect and
defend the Constitution of the United States."]

The investigation made the following findings and conclusions: This Office
investigated whether President Clinton gave knowingly false testimony when
he testified in the 1996 trial of Mr. McDougal, Ms. McDougal, and Governor
Tucker that he "never borrowed any money from Madison Guaranty," "[n]ever
caused anybody to borrow any money for [his] benefit," and "[n]ever ha[d]
any personal loan with Madison Guaranty at any time."

At Susan McDougal's 1999 trial for criminal contempt and obstruction of
justice for her refusal to testify about matters that included an alleged
$27,600 Madison Guaranty loan to President Clinton, the government
introduced two checks as evidence of the alleged loan. The first check was
an actual Madison Guaranty cashier's check, dated November 15, 1982, made
out to "Bill Clinton" in the amount of $27,600 that was found, by
happenstance, among other Madison Guaranty records in the trunk of a car in
July 1997 following a tornado. The second check was a microfilm copy, dated
August 1, 1983, from the James B. McDougal Trustee account in the amount of
$5,081.82 made out to Madison Guaranty. The latter check was signed by Susan
McDougal, and the government presented 

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The Cost of Regulating Privacy


"I'm from the government, and I'm here to help protect your privacy."

WASHINGTON -- Privacy advocates who successfully transformed such previously
arcane matters as credit bureau databases and DoubleClick cookies into
mainstream concerns are close to winning a truly epic battle.

After years of agitating by liberal groups like the American Civil Liberties
Union and the Electronic Privacy Information Center, both Democrats and
Republicans are suddenly expressing their support for sweeping new
regulations of U.S. businesses.

Yet schemes like a federal privacy commission -- suggested this year by a
bipartisan duo in Congress -- don't exactly cheer free-market organizations,
which have been largely silent in this debate so far.

In response to increasingly aggressive bills and shifting public opinion,
libertarian groups in Washington and elsewhere have begun to quietly gird
themselves for an all-out battle in new and unfamiliar terrain.

George Mason University's Mercatus Center will hold a privacy event on
Tuesday populated with laissez-faire economists, while the Competitive
Enterprise Institute is about to publish a book titled The Future of
Financial Privacy, which blasts private-sector regulations.

"Why did it take so long? Because there are more of 'them' than there are of
us -- advocates of liberty and limited government have too many battlements
to defend," says David Boaz, vice president of the Cato Institute.

The Cato Institute and other like-minded groups generally oppose government
regulation of what information firms can and cannot collect, arguing that
consumers should make up their own minds instead.

Some libertarians also stress the economic benefits of information-sharing by
saying it lowers prices. "What the privacy-regulation advocates just don't
get is the benefits of information," Boaz says. "There's a positive value to
being offered things that will interest you, and it's hardly something to be
feared."

Sonia Arrison, director of technology policy at the Pacific Research
Institute, says her group and others were slow to realize the public impact
of their opponents' arguments.

"I think libertarians were slow off the mark because they simply couldn't
believe that the public could be convinced that government is best in
protecting privacy," Arrison said. "Throughout history, government has been
one of the biggest violators of privacy, so some libertarians cannot fathom
why anyone would think that government should now be trusted to protect it."

Last week, former Republican Hill staffer Jim Harper launched a libertarian
privacy website, privacilla.org. A half-dozen groups, including the Heritage
Foundation and Citizens Against Government Waste, paid small sums to support
his effort.

Its theme, as described in the title of a report on the site: The Government
Sector -- Greatest Menace to Privacy by Far.

"I'm not at all certain that EPIC et al. captured public opinion so much as
correctly assessed the public's appreciation for anonymity," says Erick
Gustafson of Citizens for a Sound Economy, which is chaired by former White
House counsel C. Boyden Gray, who served during former President George
Bush's term.

"An individual has free-floating anxiety about others knowing too much about
him or her -- a general predilection toward paranoia -- but individuals don't
care enough to (take their business elsewhere)," Gustafson says.

Business-world allies of Citizens for a Sound Economy can be notoriously
fickle.

Last month the group condemned a speech by Hewlett-Packard CEO Carly Fiorina
in which she called for government regulation. Groused CSE: "Privacy
legislation will only serve to empower government at the expense of liberty."

Gustafson says that another useful tactic is to compile a list of government
privacy misdeeds -- a move that's consistent with libertarians' general focus
on limiting state power.

Liberal groups also oppose government surveillance such as Carnivore, the
Clipper Chip, and mandatory backdoors in encryption software. But they see
corporations as the real -- and growing -- problem.

Marc Rotenberg, director of EPIC and a careful student of privacy trends,
says: "I don't doubt that government is a real threat. But I think
increasingly the tools of surveillance will come from the private sector.
Things have changed a lot since the days of Clipper."

Adds EPIC General Counsel David Sobel: "I think that libertarian focus on the
government to the exclusion of the private sector is short-sighted, because
increasingly what we're seeing is that the government is (obtaining
information from) the private sector collectors of information."

Cato's Boaz replies: "We need strong protections against government access to
information about individuals, including strong protections for 

[CTRL] Fwd: GOP News Views - September 21, 2000

[Aleisha Saba]

Funny story here about another Gore blooper and the song Union
Label..

Has that guy been to Youngstown, Steubenville Ohio and Flint Michigan
lately?   Not many union labels in that town.they are all in the CFR
movement in Mexico, China, Japan, Korea, and where was Lieberman and
Gore during this Look For The Union Label?

So much for Sweetheart Unions and whatever happened to Jimmy Hoffa
Well that guy still wore the Union label and the CFR - he never sold his
union out.   Fitzsimmons, did.

Saba

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Don't Ask Me I Don't Give a Damn ... Next Stop Is Vietnam

"I guess that student deferment finally ran out."

- Jay Leno on the announcement that Bill Clinton will become the first U.S.
president to visit Vietnam since the war there ended 25 years ago, "Final
Word," Las Vegas Review Journal, 9/20/00


Anti-Baldwin Factor Kicking In

"Perhaps it is just a coincidence, but Texas Gov. George W. Bush's recent
surge in the polls came just after news reports over the weekend that actor
Alec Baldwin said he would leave the country if the Republican presidential
candidate should prove victorious."

- Greg Pierce's "Inside Politics," 9/20/00

***
Yet Another Mr. Bones Pops Out of Clinton/Gore's Closet

"Campaign contributors to Al Gore's presidential run have stayed overnight
at the White House, the DRUDGE REPORT has learned.  The development is at
the root of a White House delay in releasing a list of overnights awarded to
contributors of Hillary Rodham Clinton's Senate campaign. ... Behind the
scenes, according to sources, White House staffers have tried to reconcile
names and dates of contributors who've stayed overnight at 1600 Pennsylvania
Avenue and Camp David -- while neither of the Clintons were present.

"'We have friends and supporters come and spend time with us and spend the
night with us that we are getting to know,' the first lady said last week in
response to questions raised by a series of DRUDGE REPORT exclusives.  But
White House staffers compiling the list quickly realized several of the
'getting to know' overnight campaign contributors stayed at the White House
while the first lady and the president were traveling!"

- Drudge Report, 9/20/00

***
Liar, Liar ... Pants on Fire #1

"Al Gore's contempt for the truth - and for the voters he lies to almost
constantly - was in evidence Monday, when he manufactured a confection of
flapdoodle about the cost of prescription drugs and served it up to an
audience in Florida.  Mr. Gore, as reported by this newspaper's Dave Boyer
and Sean Scully, made up not just an isolated factoid or two - but rather a
whole story about an arthritis medication called Lodine, its costs, how his
poor sainted mother-in-law uses and pays for the drug - even an utterly
bogus comparative aside about arthritis medicine costing less per dose for
his dog than for his mother-in-law, Margaret Ann Aitcheson."

Washington Times editorial, 9/20/00

***
Liar, Liar ... Pants on Fire #2

Fresh from getting caught telling a whopper about the medication his
mother-in-law and dog share, Gore whipped out yet another untruth at the
Teamsters convention on Monday.  From columnist Walter Shapiro in USA Today
on Wednesday:  "Stressing his born-to-be-a-union-man heritage at a Teamsters
conference at a Las Vegas casino, Gore said, 'I still remember the lullabies
I heard as a child.' Then, without missing a beat, the vice president sang
in a bravely off-key voice, 'Look for the union label.'"  One problem:  That
tune was written in 1975 ... WHEN AL GORE WAS 27 YEARS OLD!  Voters should
stop trying to find the subliminal messages in GOP commercials ... and start
looking for the overt lies in everything and anything Al Gore says.

***
Grassroots to W.  Grassroots to W.  Anybody Home?  Hello?

A few days ago, George W. Bush dismissed the polls and the pundits and
saying he got his "sense of enthusiasm from the grassroots".  He also said
he believed all was going well with his campaign.  I don't know which
"grassroots" G.W. is talking to, but many of the rank-and-file Bush
supporters who subscribe to GOP News  Views are anything BUT "enthusiastic"
about how the campaign is being waged.  And many of these are long-time GOP
activists in responsible leadership positions in the party - not a bunch of
rubes who just fell off the turnip truck last night.  They are NOT simply
being "swayed by the liberal media."  They have eyes; they can see the
problems in the Bush campaign for themselves ... and they're screaming for
the Austin Gang to pull their heads out of their "Clymers" and fix them.

These are people who desperately and 

[CTRL] Jesuit Oath corrections to post of 9-19-00

[Ted Saari]

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The following corrections pertain to citations in my 9-19-00 post on the
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Concerning the book "Rulers of Evil: Useful Knowledge About Governing
Bodies"

The author's name is "F. Tupper Saussy" (not "F. Tucker Saussy")

His website is "www.tuppersaussy.com" (not "www.tuckersaussy.com")

Sorry for any inconvenience.

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Re: [CTRL] SNET: It Bears Repeating......Again (fwd)

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WOW  --  another intelligensia  --  stupid - AND sloppy - AND
unhistorical - AND - sentimental - AND - crap.
Amazing!!  This whizz-bang must have been there!
Another pro-American heard from - just to buoy up and
encourage the folks on the site.  Thanks!!



This is a bunch of stupid, sloppy, unhistorical sentimental crap.




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 This is a bunch of stupid, sloppy, unhistorical sentimental crap.

 
  A  VISITOR  FROM  THE  PAST
 
  I had a dream the other night, I didn't understand,
  A figure walking through the mist with flintlock in his hand.
  His clothes were torn and dirty as he stood there by my bed,
  He took off his three cornered hat, and speaking low, he said:
 
  "We fought a revolution to secure our liberty.

 Bullshit #1- The Founding Finaglers got a minority of traitors to fight
 against their home country and their own loyal countrymen so that they,
 not the the Brits could divert the wealth of of the colonies into their
 own pockets.

  We wrote the Constitution as a shield from tyranny.

 Bullshit #2- The Shays rebellion was a rebellion against the revolutionary
 oligarchy. Common soldiers mounted attacks on the Continental Congress in
 Philadelphia forcing " our heroes " to flee across the river to Princeton N.J.
 These rebellions FORCED our glorious Founding Finaglers to concede to the
 common soldiers ( as misrepresented by the ghost in this silly poem )a Bill
 of Rights.

 The defeat of Shays' rebellion marked the end of the possibility of democratic
 rights for all. Even those who fought the British. There were MANY such small
 rebellions before and AFTER the revolution. By 1760 there had been 18 rebellions
 aimed at overthrowing COLONIAL GOVERNMENTS. The rich oligarchs introduced
 property qualifications to disenfranchise the poor, and secure privilege for
 themselves politically. In other words, they passed laws that said only the rich
 could vote.

 The new Americans fought for their democratic and economic rights against the
 very men who wrote the constitution. The wealthy ruling elites of their
 time. George Washington was the richest man in the colonies. The Bill Gates
 of his day. The land stealing, slave holding, merchant, oligarchs.

  For future generations this legacy we gave.
  In this, the land of the free and the home of the brave.

 Bullshit #3- Who can take this silly drivel seriously? The country was
 filled with slaves, indentured servants, dispossessed aboriginals, and
 half the white population had no say what so ever because they wore tits.

  You buy permits to travel, and permits to own a gun,
  Permits to start a business, or to build a place for one.
  On land that you believe you own,

 On land you believe you own??? How did you get that land?

  you pay a yearly rent.
  Although you have no voice in choosing how the money's spent.
 
  Your children must attend a school, that doesn't educate.

 Depends where.

  Your Christian values can't be taught, according to the state.

 Good. I'm not particularly interested in your values and I don't
 want YOUR values taught to MY children.

  You read about the current news in a regulated press.

 Regulated by corporate interests.

  You pay a tax you do not owe, to please the I.R.S.

 You got that right.

  Your money is no longer made of Silver, or of Gold.
  You trade your wealth for paper, so your life can be controlled.
  You pay for crimes that make our Nation turn from God in shame.
  You've taken Satan's number as you've traded in your name.

 Ooh scary.

  You've given government control, to those who do you harm,
  So they can padlock churches,

 I haven't seen any padlocked churches. Only tax exempt churches.

  and steal the family farm;

 You got that right. They were stolen by corporate control of vertical
 pricing Squeezing out all but the largest producers.

  And keep our country deep in debt, put men of God in jail,
  Harass your fellow countrymen, while corrupted courts prevail.
 
  Your public servants don't uphold the solemn oath they've sworn.

 You got that right.

  Your daughters visit doctors so their children won't be born.

 My daughter visits doctors when she has a cold.

  Your leaders ship artillery and guns to foreign shores.
  And send your sons to slaughter, fighting other people's wars.

 Well, we agree here. Keep the troops at home. There's no honor in
 dying for Exxon.

  Can you regain the freedom for which we fought and died?
  Or don't you have the courage, or the faith to stand with pride
  Are there no more values, for which you'll