[CTRL] Million Mom March Dangerous To Women And Kids

2001-05-15 Thread BB


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 I wrote this a year ago. I thought
maybe this Million Mom thing would go away and be seen for the
 fraud it is. But apparently,
some in power insist upon its resurrection. Accordingly, I believe I need
 to restate why this so-called
movement, which is nothing more than a political manipulation, is
 dangerous and will cost lives.
 Liz

 Million Mom March Dangerous To
Women And Kids
 by Liz Michael
 LizMichael.com, www.lizmichael.com
 Released May 13, 2000 for immediate
release

 I'm going to come right out and
say this. I can't mince words any longer.
 The so-called "Million Mom March"
represents a clear and present danger to every
 woman in this nation, especially
every teenage girl in this nation. Every woman
 participating in this march
is participating in an act that may very well lead to her own death,
 assault, or rape, as well as
the death, assault or rape of any woman or young girl in her
 family. Every individual participating
in this march or financing this march is
 effectively sponsoring a future
criminal assault on me and people I love, and I hold
 them as responsible as the criminal
himself.
 I know what you're going to say:
"Liz, isn't that a bit strong? Can't intelligent people agree
 to disagree?"
 No, not on this. I'm tired of
trying to make peace with these people. I'm tired of having to
 defend my right to protect myself
and my family. Tired of protecting my right not to be
 raped. Not to be murdered. Not
to be a victim.
 I usually approach the subject
of the Second Amendment with the approach for which I
 believe it was designed: namely
that the Second Amendment was designed to keep various
 arms in private hands to insure
against the establishment of a tyrannical government. I'm
 gonna not talk about that: for
now. The Jewish Holocaust and the Armenian Genocide
 notwithstanding.
 I'm gonna frame the firearms
issue strictly in terms of one factor. Natural law.
 First of all, let's establish
one premise. A person under attack from an assailant has an
 inherent human right to defend
themselves from that attack by any means necessary. I think
 most of us, in our hearts, believe
that. If you do not believe that, you're already a stupid
 idiot. YES! YOU! STUPID! I said
it. I meant it. Deal with it.
 Second. That right is natural
and inherent. It is a right that any creature on this earth has by
 nature of their creation. Look
at mammals, birds, insects, you name it. The vast majority of
 them are vested by a survival
instinct to automatically repel any attempt to harm them, to
 prevent it, to hide from it.
They are also given, in addition to their natural characteristics for
 self-defense, a brain, to devise
ways of protecting themselves from attack, sheltering
 themselves from attack, and
so forth.
 Third, this right and instinct
extends to THEIR FAMILY. Look at almost any animal
 species, and you will always
see vigorous attempts by mothers, and often even fathers, to
 protect their young. But it's
not just blood relatives. That instinct toward self-protection also
 extends to the pack, the pride,
the colony. Even if members of the colony really aren't
 related.
 Fourth, the right and instinct
also extends TO THEIR PROPERTY. You see this in the
 wild. You even see it among
pets. It's why dogs make such good guards. They instinctively
 protect the turf. And not just
real property, but THINGS also.
 I had to lay all that out. Because
I think everyone who deludes themselves into thinking they
 are civilized, or live in a
civilized society, ties themselves to the bizarre concept, that all
 society's problems can be solved
if only they can pass some STUPID LITTLE LAW.
 The criminal, though, like the
predator in the jungle, is under no such delusion. The criminal
 determines exactly what he wants,
what his soul craves, and he goes after it. Sometimes
 the law does dissuade him. But
the more vicious and demented he is, or the greedier he is,
 the less likely any stupid little
law will deter him.
 So into this eternal battle between
criminal and citizen, come these individuals. They say
 that "we all will be safer if
we all submit ourselves to restraints upon when and how
 we are allowed to defend ourselves,
and we must get government approval to defend
 ourselves, and only defend ourselves
in the way the government states we can. And
 we don't want any defense methods
to be transferable from one person to another.
 And kids shouldn't be allowed
to defend themselves."
 Of course, they don't say it
THAT way. They say "we want government registration of
 handguns." "We demand trigger
locks be sold with every gun." "We want every gun
 owner to be licensed by the
government." "We want to compel smart guns." "We
 want a Juvenile Brady bill."
 Gun control 

[CTRL] Court dismisses former FBI officials libel suit

2001-05-15 Thread radman

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radman note:
The inaccuracies noted by The Oklahoman in the last line below, is
essentially one sentence of Hoffman's  book, The Oklahoma City Bombing 
The Politics Of Terror. Revell had also sued Hoffman's publisher, Adam
Parfrey of Feral House for libel as well. Parfrey caved and paid Revell
$6000, distanced himself from the book, and agreed to pulp all remaining
copies, which did happen and makes the book scarce today. [See Publisher
agrees to destroy copies of book, dated 12/99,  below.]
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Court dismisses former FBI official's libel suit

http://www.rcfp.org/news/2001/0509revell.html#init

by Catherine Cameron
05/09/01

A former FBI official lacked evidence that an author knew statements he
made were untrue or that he recklessly disregarded the truth, a federal
district judge in Oklahoma City ruled in a libel case against the author of
a book on the Oklahoma City bombing and terrorism.
A federal district court judge in Oklahoma City on May 3 dismissed a former
FBI employee's libel lawsuit against the author of a book on the Oklahoma
City bombing on May 3, ruling that there was not enough evidence that the
author knew of the falsity of the statements made, or recklessly
disregarded the truth.
David Hoffman wrote in his book The Oklahoma City Bombing and the Politics
of Terror that retired FBI associate deputy director Oliver Buck Revell
had pulled his son and daughter-in-law off Pan Am Flight 103 in London
prior to take-off because he knew the bombing would take place.
The Oklahoman reported that Revell's son had left London a week prior to
the bombing, although he was briefly booked on Flight 103 and his
daughter-in-law was in the United States when the plane departed. Hoffman
admitted that he had mistaken details of Revell's story, but claimed that
the essential facts of the story were true.
All copies of the book were destroyed by the publisher in 1999 because it
contained inaccuracies, according to The Oklahoman.  (Revell v. Hoffman)



12/10/1999

Publisher agrees to destroy copies of book

http://www.abcnews.go.com/wire/US/ap19991210_1675.html

OKLAHOMA CITY (AP) _ The California publisher of a controversial  book
about the Oklahoma City bombing will destroy copies of the  book as part of
a settlement of a lawsuit filed by a former FBI  official over false and
inaccurate statements in the book.

Stan Twardy, attorney for former FBI official Oliver Buck  Revell, said
Friday that the number of books being destroyed was  not available but he
described it as substantial. The publisher  said all books in its
distributor's warehouse would be destroyed.

Revell said David Hoffman's book, The Oklahoma City Bombing  and The
Politics of Terror contained false and inaccurate  statements about him
and by innuendo portrayed him as a  co-conspirator in the bombing.

Feral House Inc. promised to destroy copies of the book to avoid  further
dissemination of inaccurate statements.

Whatever `The Oklahoma City Bombing and the Politics of  Terror' states,
alleges or implies, it is now my understanding that  Mr. Revell had nothing
to do with any alleged CIA drug smuggling,  so-called `death squads' or
malfeasance involving the Oklahoma City  bombing, before or after, Feral
House President Adam Parfrey  wrote in an open letter.

The settlement was reached Wednesday. Twardy said it included a  payment to
Revell, but he couldn't disclose the amount.

The April 19, 1995, bombing killed 168 people and injured more  than 500
others.

The lawsuit is still pending against Hoffman and two of the book's sources.

Hoffman pleaded guilty in June to misdemeanor jury tampering. He  had sent
the book to an alternate on the grand jury investigating a  series of
conspiracy theories about the bombing.

Timothy McVeigh was convicted and sentenced to death in the  bombing. Terry
Nichols is serving life in prison on federal  convictions of conspiracy and
involuntary manslaughter.

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[CTRL] IRS slapped withbr $500 billion suit

2001-05-15 Thread tnohava



 http://www.wnd.com/news/printer-friendly.asp?ARTICLE_ID=22834
IRS slapped with
$500 billion suit
2 groups charge civil rights
violations in raid









© 2001 WorldNetDaily.com

Two national groups providing estate-planning help announced today the
filing of a $500 billion class-action lawsuit against the Internal Revenue
Service and approximately 50 individual IRS agents, charging them with civil
rights violations against thousands of its members, most of whom are senior
citizens.

The suit stems from a raid on the offices of Heritage America and the Aegis
Company conducted by the IRS March 31, 2000, says the groups' executive
director, Michael Vallone. About 30 armed IRS agents reportedly entered the
Palos Hills, Ill., offices of the two groups.

The IRS agent in charge, Robert Kuschel, served a search warrant for a
company named Aegis Financial Group. The suit alleges this company has no
relationship whatsoever to either Heritage America or The Aegis Company.

Vallone claims that Aegis Financial Group was a corporation of which he was
a partial owner from 1996 to 1998, and that it was an Indiana licensed
mortgage brokerage firm which operated exclusively in Indiana and had no
business dealings whatsoever with Heritage America or the Aegis Company.

The suit alleges that upon entering the offices of the companies, the agents
proceeded at gunpoint to separate the staff into separate rooms and
interrogated them for as long as two hours without ever reading them their
rights or informing them they were not required to provide information.

The IRS then proceeded to carry off all the companies' records, including
the paper and computer records of their members, says the suit. This
material contained the names, addresses and phone numbers of all the past
and present members of Heritage America and the Aegis Company. It also
contained financial information and the private estate-planning information
of these people, including copies of their wills, trusts and other
estate-planning documents such as powers of attorney.

Their (the IRS') absolute rape of the privacy rights of more than 5,000
Americans … is another example of the terrorist tactics of a government
agency whose abuse of power demands severe retribution, said Vallone.

The suit also states that almost one year after the first raid, on March 29,
2001, the IRS performed a second raid in similar fashion on the offices of
Homer Richardson, a representative of Heritage America and the Aegis
Company. Once again, the search warrant served on Richardson stated it was
to procure documents associated with Aegis Financial Group. Richardson
states he has never had any association whatsoever with Aegis Financial
Group.

Vallone charges the attack on Heritage America and the Aegis Company is part
of a four-year campaign the IRS has been waging against trusts. Both
Heritage America and the Aegis Company have provided their members with
services to set up trusts for estate planning, business planning and tax
planning. The Aegis Company has provided educational material and services
for its members regarding a type of trust that IRS regulations call a
Business Trust.

These types of trusts are completely legitimate, says Vallone. They are
used by many of the major mutual funds in the United States, such as
Fidelity Magellan, Kemper and Nuveen. However, they can also be used by
small business owners. The IRS has recognized this in their own regulations.
Unfortunately, many companies have improperly promoted the use of business
trusts, and so the IRS has stepped in to crack down on the abuse of these
trusts.

The class-action lawsuit contains 11 separate counts of violations of Title
42 of the United States Code for deprivation of civil rights, and an
additional count under Title 18 which charges that the IRS and its agents
violated federal racketeering laws.

The 56-page complaint was filed May 8 in the Southern District of Illinois.

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[CTRL] AP: FBI Got Conflicting Bombing Advice

2001-05-15 Thread MIKE SPITZER

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Tuesday, May 15, 2001

FBI Got Conflicting Bombing Advice

Associated Press Writer

WASHINGTON--FBI field offices were told in December that some Oklahoma
City bombing records could be discarded, but those instructions were
retracted a month later after archivists discovered that some offices
had failed to turn over all their evidence to lawyers for Timothy
McVeigh, a government official said.

The initial guidance went out in December, the official said Monday,
four days after it was revealed the FBI withheld thousands of pages of
evidence from lawyers for the convicted bomber.

The revelation was the latest twist to the FBI's mishandling of
investigative materials in the Oklahoma City bombing case.  The FBI
failed to turn over to McVeigh's lawyers some 3,135 pages of
investigative materials, including interview reports, and physical
evidence such as photographs, tapes and letters.

In another development, the FBI's Baltimore bureau late last week turned
up seven more documents that should have been forwarded, a government
official, speaking on condition of anonymity, said Monday night.

The FBI requested last Friday that all special agents in charge and
assistant directors at all field offices certify that they had turned
over all documents that were required to be turned over.  That
certification has been completed, the source said.  The Baltimore
documents had already been found before that communication went out.

The discovery of the seven documents was first reported in Tuesday's
editions of the Los Angeles Times.

During the archiving process six months ago, field offices were given
instructions on what materials should be retained for archiving and what
could be discarded.

By January, the source said on condition of anonymity, archivists became
concerned that some documents could be thrown out by mistake.  So they
contacted field offices again, this time with instructions to send all
investigative materials to the Oklahoma City bureau, where the materials
were being archived.

Archivists at that early juncture had discovered that a small percentage
of the reports they were receiving had never been turned over to
McVeigh's lawyers, the official said.

There was no indication that investigative materials that should have
been turned over had been destroyed, but the possibility could not be
ruled out, the official said.

The FBI is tracking down the path of every document that the
prosecution turned over to defense attorneys last week, said Mike
Kortan, an FBI spokesman.

Asked if there are additional documents that have been discovered since
the disclosure last week, Kortan said he was not aware of any.

Attorney General John Ashcroft postponed McVeigh's execution, scheduled
for Wednesday, until June 11 to give his attorneys time to review the
documents, which were turned over last week.  McVeigh's lawyers are
poring over the documents; McVeigh is weighing whether the documents
provide an opportunity to raise legal challenges to his conviction and
execution.

Government prosecutors who worked on the McVeigh case never saw the
documents either.  They are now sifting through them as well.

Ashcroft said Justice Department attorneys have looked at the papers and
don't think they contain anything that creates any doubt about McVeigh's
guilt.

A CBS News poll showed that 69 percent of Americans agree with
Ashcroft's decision to delay the execution.  McVeigh was to be executed
for the April 19, 1995, bombing of the Alfred P.  Murrah Federal
Building in Oklahoma City that killed 168 people, including
19 children.

With McVeigh's execution set for May, the FBI at the end of last year
was doing a routine archiving of all Oklahoma City bombing materials
-standard practice in wrapping up a case -when the undisclosed documents
were discovered.

Archivists sent field offices instructions that established what types
of documents should be archived and what could be discarded based on
discussions with the National Archives and Records Administration, the
official said.

The second memo went out when officials decided that decisions about
what should be retained should be made by the archivists.

Law enforcement officials familiar with the matter have said that the
newly disclosed documents are a small percentage of the millions
 generated during the investigation.

The FBI was moving to a new computer system when investigative documents
were being filed electronically and some may have never been downloaded
into set of master databases housing all Oklahoma City bombing records,
they said.  Many of the withheld documents are interview reports about a
possible McVeigh accomplice who never materialized, the so-called John
Doe No.  2.

Justice Department Inspector General Glenn Fine has launched an
investigation into the belated disclosure of McVeigh documents, said a
Justice Department official.  Ashcroft requested the investigation on
Friday.


News: May 2001


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[CTRL] AP: McVeigh tells Houston newspaper there was no John Doe No. 2in Oklahoma bombing

2001-05-15 Thread MIKE SPITZER

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WIRE: 05/15/2001 3:00 am ET

Timothy McVeigh tells Houston newspaper there was no John Doe No. 2 in
Oklahoma bombing

The Associated Press

HOUSTON (AP) Timothy McVeigh has written a letter to the Houston
Chronicle stating unequivocally there was never a John Doe No. 2 who
helped him blow up the Oklahoma City federal building.
McVeigh's former attorney Stephen Jones has alleged McVeigh was one of a
group of conspirators in the April 19, 1995, bombing that killed 168
people.

Jones has been thoroughly discredited, so I'm not going to break a
sweat refuting his outlandish claims point-by-point, McVeigh wrote in
the letter mailed from the federal prison in Terre Haute, Ind. The
truth is on my side.

McVeigh said in the book American Terrorist: Timothy McVeigh  The
Oklahoma City Bombing, that convicted co-conspirator Terry Nichols
helped mix the fertilizer bomb, but claimed he alone carried out the
bombing.

Does anyone honestly believe that if there was a John Doe 2 (there is
not), that Stephen Jones would still be alive? ... Think about it,
McVeigh wrote.

McVeigh's single-page letter was handwritten May 2, a week before the
government's decision to delay his execution so McVeigh's attorneys
could examine thousands of FBI documents related to the bombing.

Defense attorney Robert Nigh of Tulsa told the newspaper that he could
not comment on McVeigh's statement or on whether it would hamper any
efforts to seek a new trial based on the newly revealed evidence.

Well, I bet he wishes now he'd followed my advice and kept his mouth
shut, Jones told the newspaper. And I bet he wishes he'd followed
(appellate attorney) Nathan Chambers' advice and not dismissed those
appeals.

McVeigh, 33, was scheduled to die Wednesday for the bombing. The
execution has been delayed until June 11.

Copyright 2001 The Associated Press. All rights reserved.

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[CTRL] LAT: More McVeigh Files Found; FBI Orders Massive Search

2001-05-15 Thread MIKE SPITZER

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 http://www.latimes.com/news/nation/reports/mcveigh/lat_mcveigh010515.htm


Tuesday, May 15, 2001

More McVeigh Files Found; FBI Orders Massive Search



By RICHARD A. SERRANO and ERIC LICHTBLAU, Times Staff Writers


 WASHINGTON--A second batch of undisclosed records in the Oklahoma City
bombing has been found in Baltimore, sources said Monday, prompting the FBI
to issue a worldwide directive ordering all bureau field offices and
attaches to comb their files for any more documents that may not have been
turned over to Timothy J. McVeigh's lawyers.

 Meanwhile, new details emerged about the contents of more than 3,000
pages of documents discovered last week--witness statements and photographs
relating to a mysterious person known as Robert Jacques, as well as
surveillance tapes of sightings of John Doe No. 2, an alleged McVeigh
co-conspirator.

 Although the government later discounted the existence of either
person, rumors about their alleged association with McVeigh spawned endless
theories of conspiracies and government cover-ups in what became the largest
investigation in FBI history.

 Federal officials last week discovered the 3,135 pages of new material
after collecting McVeigh files from dozens of field offices across the
country. After turning the documents over to McVeigh's defense team and his
convicted co-conspirator, Terry L. Nichols, seven additional documents
turned up late last week in the Baltimore office, sources said. The
documents were expected to be delivered Monday to defense attorneys. Neither
the total number of pages, nor their specific content, could be determined
Monday.

 Like the material found in other offices, however, the Baltimore
documents were discounted by government sources, who said they have no
relevance to McVeigh's guilt or innocence. Baltimore was one of dozens of
FBI field offices involved in interviewing witnesses and collecting evidence
in the case.

 In issuing its sweeping order Monday, the FBI sought to ensure that no
additional materials will surface that should have long ago been shared with
the defense.

 Everybody is checking again. The whole bureau today, said an FBI
source, one of several government sources who asked not to be identified
because of the ongoing investigation. Everybody is going through everything
again.

 A Department of Justice official said authorities are worried that if
even more material is found after this latest search, it will be all the
more embarrassing to federal law enforcement.

 We certainly want all the information that is available, the official
said. We want all the information that's out there.

 The April 1995 Oklahoma City bombing was the largest terrorist attack
in the United States, killing 168 people and injuring more than 500 others.

 In the larger cache of FBI documents discovered last week, references
to a Robert Jacques--whose last name sometimes was spelled Jacquez--crop
up several times, sources said.

 Shortly after the bombing, a southwest Missouri real estate broker told
the FBI that three men came to his office looking to buy secluded property
that was in the middle of nowhere. He said they wanted some land with
caves.

 This was in November 1994, right before McVeigh and Nichols began
stockpiling materials for the bomb.

 The broker, William Maloney, said two of the men fit the descriptions
of McVeigh and Nichols, and he recalled that the third man, who said his
name was Robert Jacques, did most of the talking.

 But the government was never able to authenticate that the men were
actually McVeigh and Nichols, or that Jacques ever existed.

 Sources said the other newly disclosed material included photographs of
people resembling descriptions of Jacques.

 Also in the files, the sources said, was information about the
so-called John Doe No. 2.

 Employees at the Ryder store, where McVeigh rented the truck to carry
the bomb, insisted that McVeigh was with a second man. That man was never
found, but an FBI sketch of him circulated nationwide.

 The government later insisted that the Ryder employees were mistaken
and that McVeigh had been alone, but the sightings of John Doe No. 2
persisted nonetheless.

 In the missing files also are surveillance tapes of John Doe No. 2
look-alikes, as well as statements from various people who claimed to have
seen him, sources said.

 Defense lawyers are now reviewing the new material and determining how
to proceed. With McVeigh's cooperation, they are likely to ask a federal
judge for more time to study the documents.

 McVeigh was to have been executed Wednesday. But after the FBI files
foul-up, Atty. Gen. John Ashcroft delayed the execution for 30 days, until
June 11.

 While defense attorneys do not think 30 days is long enough to review
the newly disclosed materials, Ashcroft has said he will not grant another
postponement.

 The attorney general has 

[CTRL] NYT: Nuclear Families Drop Below 25% of Households for First Time

2001-05-15 Thread MIKE SPITZER

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 Another Clinton legacy ...

WASHINGTON, May 14 ó For the first time, less than a quarter of all
households
in the United States are made up of married couples with their children, new
census data show.

Demographers expressed surprise that the number of unmarried couples in the
United States nearly doubled in the 1990's, to 5.5 million couples from 3.2
million in 1990. Some of those couples have children.


http://www.nytimes.com/2001/05/15/national/15CENS.html


May 15, 2001

Nuclear Families Drop Below 25% of Households for First Time


By ERIC SCHMITT
The New York Times


WASHINGTON, May 14 ó For the first time, less than a quarter of all
households in the United States are made up of married couples with their
children, new census data show.

That results from a number of factors, like many men and women delaying both
marriage and having children, more couples living longer after their adult
children leave home and the number of single-parent families growing much
faster than the number of married couples.

Indeed, the number of families headed by women who have children, which are
typically poorer than two- parent families, grew nearly five times faster in
the 1990's than the number of married couples with children, a trend that
some family experts and demographers described today as disturbing.

The new data offer the 2000 census' first glimpse into the shifting and
complicated makeup of American families and carry wide-ranging implications
that policy makers and politicians are already struggling to address.

With more communities having fewer households with children, public schools
often face an increasingly difficult time gathering support for renovating
aging buildings and investing in education over all. Voters in Cleveland
last week approved $380 million in levies to fix city schools, but only
after two months of exhaustive lobbying by civic leaders.

This may have something to do with why our education system is not up to
snuff, said Isabel Sawhill, a senior fellow at the Brookings Institution.
Oftentimes, those parents who still are invested in the schools don't have
the money or influence to change things.

Demographers expressed surprise that the number of unmarried couples in the
United States nearly doubled in the 1990's, to 5.5 million couples from 3.2
million in 1990. Some of those couples have children.

Many conservative groups point to the increase as well as the statistics on
single-parent households as troubling indicators of deeper societal
problems.

This data shows we need to regain the importance of marriage as a social
institution, said Bridget Maher, a marriage and family policy analyst at
the conservative Family Research Council. People are disregarding the
importance of marriage and the importance of having a mother and father who
are married.

Ms. Maher and other conservatives point to the findings as justification for
the enactment of policies that they say would strengthen the family, like
eliminating the so-called marriage penalty in the tax code.

The decades-long decline in the overall number of American households with
children slowed during the 1990's as two of the most troubling trends ó
divorce and out-of-wedlock births ó moderated, demographers said.

But even with that slowdown, the percentage of married-couple households
with children under 18 has declined to 23.5 percent of all households in
2000 from 25.6 percent in 1990, and from 45 percent in 1960, said Martin
O'Connell, chief of the Census Bureau's fertility and family statistics
branch. The number of Americans living alone, 26 percent of all households,
surpassed, for the first time, the number of married- couple households with
children.

William H. Frey, a demographer at the University of Michigan, said, Being
married is great, but being married with kids is tougher in today's society
with spouses in different jobs and expensive day care and schools.

The number of married-couple families with children grew by just under 6
percent in the 1990's. In contrast, households with children headed by
single mothers, which account for nearly 7 percent of all households,
increased by 25 percent in the 1990's.

The new census data paint a more detailed picture of the American family in
other ways.

Unmarried couples represent 9 percent of all unions, up from 6 percent a
decade ago.

It's certainly consistent with what we've all been noting, the growth in
cohabitation in this country, but it also tells us how complex American
families are becoming, said Freya L. Sonenstein, director of population
studies at the Urban Institute in Washington and a visiting fellow at the
Public Policy Institute of California.

The number of nonfamily households, which consist of people living alone or
with people who are not related, make up about one-third of all households.
They grew at twice the rate of family households in the 1990's.


[CTRL] Fwd: [GATA] Bullion banks told to cover by month's end, source says

2001-05-15 Thread Kris Millegan





MIDAS COMMENTARY FOR MAY 14, 2001

By Bill Murphy
www.LeMetropoleCafe.com
May 14, 2001

Gold $268.30 up 30 cents
Silver $4.34 up 1 cent

Here's a bombshell from Bob Chapman that fits in perfectly
with the information you have been getting from Midas for
the past four weeks or so. Bob, who is a big GATA supporter
and editor of the International Forecaster, sent us the
following even before he published it in his own newsletter:

Our intelligence sources have informed us that
Fed Chairman Alan Greenspan has given the
bullion banks until the end of May to clear up
their hedging and outstanding gold derivative
positions. Evidentially this process has been
going on for some time. Further, British Prime
Minister Tony Blair will try to make available,
at the upcoming British gold auction, additional
gold that will go to banks designated by
Greenspan. We were also told that AngloGold
will sell forward a designated amount of gold to
banks also specified by Greenspan. Our source
for this intelligence has been very accurate in
the past. They also said they thought that gold
would break out over $275 an ounce by Friday.

Subscription information for Bob's newsletter: one year
$79.95 U.S. Funds. Make check payable to Robert Chapman,
Box 510518, Punta Gorda, Florida 33951 USA. Please include
name, address, telephone number, and e-mail address. Bob
accepts Visa and MasterCard charges. Please provide your
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I can't see how the bullion banks can cover without being
bailed out. The weekly supply/demand deficit is too big.
The only way for them to cover without the price going
bonkers is for someone else to take on their shorts.

This ought to be interesting. If Bob's intelligence is on
the money again and the Gold Cartel has run out of protection,
look out.

old was very quiet today ahead of the British Auction tomorrow
and the Fed's decision on cutting interest rates, also to be
announced tomorrow.

Of interest:

-- The gold price action remains very constructive and is
different than it has been the past four years.

-- Spot bullion remains above its 200-day moving average
and has formed a small bullish flag formation.

-- The gold open interest on Comex has dropped to only
105,491 contracts. This is very bullish as it is
extraordinarily low from a historical perspective. That
means the trade does not want to be short, possibly
because they do not have the physical gold to hedge.

-- The gold stocks popped late today and remained firm. It
is my guess that gold is getting ready to rock again to the
upside.

I thought you might like to see some of the feedback I am
receiving on the GATA African Gold Summit that was held
in Durban. I think it will help you understand what a big
success this was for all of us.

From Dick Trostler:

   The following information was passed along to
   me by Christine Maggiore, author of the book
   What if everything you thought you knew about
   AIDS was wrong? This information is in two parts.
   The first is a message from Anita Allen, who is
   apparently in South Africa. The second part is a
   letter to Business Day, the South African
   newspaper, by David Rasnick, Ph.D., who is a
   member of South African President Mbeki's AIDS
   Advisory Panel. I had to read Anita Allen's portion
   several times in trying to understand what she is
   saying. She writes in a sort of shorthand. But I
   think that you will find it of value.

   From: Anita Allen
   Date: Wed, 9 May 2001 16:58:36 +0200
   Subject: Golden Good News South Africa flash
   9 May 2001

   Dear All:

   Thought you might be interested to know that
   the Boston US Anti-Trust Men are in town just
   a stone's throw away. Guess what they are
   doing here? Telling Big Business the game's
   up. Expect soon the rise of bullion to somewhere
   between $600-$1000. South Africa finally has
   control of the gold price. This coincides with US
   off the Human Rights Committee, Bush jetting in
   for a private hey, Thabo, I hear HIV doesn't cause
   AIDS

   The Boston Boys were all over Tim Modise's Show
   this morning. And you should have heard the callers!
   They even asked the Boston Star on his show to
   repeat everything he had just finished saying, and say
   it again from the front (so they could record it -- no
   doubt, and study what exactly the hell he is saying).
   Callers in between already knew all about it and
   asked for phone numbers to contribute to the costs.
   This is the greatest show on earth in my lifetime so far.
   I am so happy its virtually in my back yard, so to
   speak...

From South Africa's Andy Brown:

   My son-in-law, a promising apprentice gold bug,
   yesterday attended a Johannesburg family 21st
   birthday, where there were about 50 friends and
   relatives of all 

[CTRL] Foundations' Unholy Alliance With The Corporate Media

2001-05-15 Thread flw

-Caveat Lector-

Media's New Sugar Daddies: Foundations

 By Richard Morin and Claudia Deane
Tuesday, May 15, 2001; Page A15


Tax-exempt foundations are quietly spending millions to fund journalism
fellowships, finance media watchdog organizations and even pay the bills
for major newspaper, radio and television reporting projects.

As a consequence, these nonprofits have established a significant beachhead
in serious journalism and in some unexpected places, such as Glamour magazine
and MTV, writes former Philadelphia Inquirer reporter Rick Edmonds in a
provocative new Poynter Institute report.

The Pew Charitable Trusts of Philadelphia is the biggest player in the news
business, Edmonds wrote. Pew has pledged $10.9 million to fund the Project
for Excellence in Journalism and the Committee of Concerned Journalists.
It will spend $11 million to support the Pew Research Center for the People
and the Press, which conducts surveys on politics and policy issues. Pew
also has committed $5.8 million to support Terrence Smith's media reporting
unit at PBS for The NewsHour with Jim Lehrer.

The Henry J. Kaiser Family Foundation of Menlo Park, Calif., is the other
prominent foundation helping to make news. Kaiser has ongoing relationships
with The Washington Post and National Public Radio to do news surveys.
(The writers of this column work closely with senior Kaiser staffers and
 researchers at Harvard University on these polls, with the foundation paying
most of the cost.)

Kaiser, with an institutional emphasis on public health issues, also has hooked
up with Glamour magazine, MTV and Black Entertainment Television to do
news projects. It recently announced a partnership with the PBS show HealthWeek
to produce 12 special segments on health policy.

Edmonds says foundations don't dictate content or otherwise meddle in news
operations. But he warns that foundation dollars could mean some stories of
interest to the foundation get lavish coverage while other stories do not -- a
troubling exercise in journalistic agenda-setting.

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[CTRL] [1] Dirty Gold in Goldman Sachs?

2001-05-15 Thread Kris Millegan

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Goldman Sachs



Dirty Gold in Goldman Sachs?



HOW GREED CHANGED GOLDMAN SACHS.

Sightings from The Catbird Seat

~ ~ ~

The Goldman Sachs Group is a leading global investment banking and securities
firm with three principal business lines: Investment banking; Trading and
Principal Investments; and Asset Management and Securities Services.

(WARNING! Take a deep breath and hold your nose before you enter this gilded
cage -- the newspaper cage-liner hasn't been changed in decades!)

* * *

INSIDERS DON'T SWEAT COLLAPSE

by

Michael Perkins and Celia Nunez

Long before the stock market went into the toilet, the big boys got out.

Last March, the tech-heavy Nasdaq index reached a staggering 5048, prompting
venture capitalist John Doerr to claim that we were witnessing the
greatest-ever legal creation of wealth in the history of the world.

This week, the Nasdaq fell below 2000. Someone is out a lot of money, and
that someone is primarily the small retail investor. Why? Because the
insiders- entrepreneurs, venture capital firms, investment banks and large
institutional investors- pulled out their capital long before the fall,
leaving mom-and-pop investors holding the bag.

Instead of the greatest-ever legal creation of wealth, the high-tech
financial bubble represented the greatest-ever legal transfer of wealth- from
retail investors to insiders.

For example, between November 1998 and July 2000, Goldman Sachs, Morgan
Stanley Dean Witter and Credit Suisse First Boston each pocketed more than
$500 million in underwriting fees from Internet companies. And over the past
two years, technology underwriting as a whole brought in close to $1 billion
for each bank. . . .

Some insiders would argue they, too, have been hurt by the market's decline.
And in fairness, it should be noted that not every insider pulled out early.
... But the fact is, not all stock losses are the same, because the insiders
get their stock for pennies a share, if that.

Thus, while an insider may have seen his portfolio slip from $50 million to
$5 million, he probably paid only $100,000 for his stock, so he's still ahead
in terms of real money.

But when individual investors see their stock portfolios plummet, it's real.

The TRUTH is, little investors never stood a chance, because they simply
don't have the same access, both to key information and to early deals, as
big investors.

One reason is the quiet period mandated by the Securities and Exchange
Commission, which requires a startup company to shun any publicity regarding
its finances for at least three months before its initial public offering.
The law was intended to keep a company from hyping its stock, but in reality
its main effect is to keep small investors in the dark.

Big institutional investors such as Fidelity and Vanguard are never in the
dark. They're treated to what's known as a road show just days before an
IPO. In this private meeting with company executives, they are updated on the
startup's financial situation.

Thus, the big investors know if a stock has recently become more risky and
can pass on it. Or they may decide to buy it anyway, knowing they can resell
the stock on the first day of trading before any bad news about the company
is reported. This practice, known as flipping, became common in an era when
Internet stocks were routinely tripling in value on their first day of
trading.

Institutional investors weren't the only ones flipping stock during the hot
market. Individual insiders did it too. During the Nasdaq bubble, investment
banks would routinely give hot new IPO stocks - FREE - to corporate
executives, venture capitalists and other decision-makers sitting on the
boards of companies whose business the banks wanted.

These privileged decision-makers would then flip their shares on the first
day of the IPO for quick profits.

While the investment banks were giving out free stock to their favored
clients, they were also giving out bad advice to their mom-and-pop customers.

In a study of high-tech stocks, Roni Michaely of Cornell University and Kent
Womack of Dartmouth College found that investment banks rarely downgrade a
company's stock to a sell rating if they have a business relationship with
the company.

Despite these shenanigans, the savvy retail investor could at least take
comfort in Rule 144, the SEC regulation that bars a company's owners from
selling their stock for 180 days after an IPO. (This type of stock is
sometimes referred to as locked stock.) So if the stock did tank three
months after it was issued, at least the small investor could find solace in
the fact that the entrepreneur and his venture capital backers had taken a
loss on their stock as well.

Or did they?

Actually, during the high-flying days of the tech bubble, few insiders were
required to take 

[CTRL] [3] Dirty Gold in Goldman Sachs?

2001-05-15 Thread Kris Millegan

-Caveat Lector-

from:
http://msnhomepages.talkcity.com/ReportersAlley/thecatbirdseat/GoldmanSachs.ht
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The Catbird Chronicles: Goldman Sachs

1929 - Goldman Sachs is named by a U.S. government-appointed investigation as
one of the banks which, by looting, market rigging and outrageous
manipulation helped precipitate the Wall Street crash of 1929, which directly
led to the Great Depression of the 1930s.

1933 - Franklin Roosevelt is sworn in as U.S. President. The Fletcher-Pecora
hearings are set up to ferret out the causes of the stock-market crash and
the Great Depression. These hearings disclose elements of the Goldman Sachs
misadventures and shed light on the danger of a single institution mingling
the activities of commercial banks with those of an investment/brokerage
company and that of the insurance industry.

1933 - The Banking Act of 1933, more popularly known as the Glass-Steagall Act
, is introduced. The Act stipulated that no single institution or bank
holding company could engage in both commercial banking and
brokerage/investment banking. No commercial banks could own an
investment/brokerage company or engage in insurance.

1979 - Goldman Sachs is found guilty of fraud in the Penn Central Railroad
failure.

1985 - Sumitomo acquires the Tokyo-based Heiwa Sogo Bank, leading to their
ascent to the number one position in Japan's banking industry -- assisted by
the then-Finance Minister Takeshita Noboru and the Yamaguchi Gumi, Japan's
most powerful Yakuza syndicate.

1985 - Ichiwa-kai -- a Yakuza faction -- slaughters Yamaguchi Gumi leader,
Masahisa Takenaka, creating a bloody gang war.

1986 - Robert Freeman makes his infamous insider trading deals relating to
Beatrice Foods -- trading for Goldman Sachs as well as his own personal
accounts, leaving both in deep do-do.

1986 - Sumitomo acquires 12.5% of Goldman Sachs for $500 million.

1986 - The notorious Arkansas Development Finance Authority (ADFA) borrows $5
million from the Chicago branch of Japan's Sanwa Bank as a part of a $60
million deal to purchase stock in Coral Reinsurance, a Barbados subsidiary of
American International Group (AIG). The deal is brokered by Goldman Sachs,
whose head at the time was Robert Rubin. An AIG affiliate had also managed
over $1 billion worth of ADFA bonds.

1989 - Robert Freeman pleads guilty to one count of insider trading and is
later sentenced to one year in prison (with 8 months suspended), and fined
$1.1 million.

1990 - Steve Friedman and Robert Rubin are named senior partners and
co-chairmen of the management committee of Goldman Sachs.

1992 - Bishop Estate trustees invest $250 million of the trust's money in
Goldman Sachs.

1993 - Robert Rubin, worth an estimated $100 million at the time, resigns
Goldman Sachs to join the Clinton administration. Rubin makes a phone call to
Bishop Estate and the estate insures Rubin's stake in Goldman Sachs for
$100,000 a year -- a sweetheart deal for Rubin according to some sources.
Kenneth Brody, a Goldman Sachs general partner until 1991, is appointed by
Clinton to be chairman of the Export-Import Bank.

1994 - Bishop Estate invests another $250 million of the trust's money in
Goldman Sachs.

1994 - The peso crisis in Mexico comes to a head. Robert Rubin had
spearheaded Goldman's move into Mexico, and the firm had steered billions of
dollars to that emerging market. Rubin's one-year recusal from dealing in
matters affecting Goldman Sachs had ended. By helping Mexico make good on its
commitment to bondholders, the $20 billion portion of the bailout was viewed
by some as a publicly-financed insurance policy for Rubin and Goldman Sachs,
along with other large investment houses and banks that were highly exposed
in Mexico.

1996 - One time king of copper trading, Yasuo Hamanaka, is arrested on
charges of forgery relating to the loss of $2.6 billion by Sumitomo Corp. in
a decade of fraudulent copper trading.

1996 - Bishop Estate lends $1 million to Charles M. Harmon, Jr., an
investment banker and former general partner at Goldman Sachs. Together with
Larry L. Landry, chief investment officer of the MacArthur Foundation, and
Brad Heppner, a consultant at Bain  Co. and former director of private
investments at the MacArthur Foundation, they form The Crossroads Group to
purchase Bigler Investment Management, a Connecticut firm that manages
fund-of-fund accounts. Bigler's clients included: Connecticut State Treasury;
Massachusetts' Pension Reserves Investment Management Board; Rhode Island
Employees' Retirement System; City  Co. of San Francisco Retirement System;
and the pension funds of E.I. duPont de Nemours  Co.

1997 - Goldman Sachs brings to market Lucent Technologies, the $3 billion
spin-off from ATT, the largest IPO to date.

1997 - August. Hawaii's Attorney General, Margery Bronster, begins
investigation of allegations of fraud and corruption at Bishop Estate.

1998 - April. According to Spotlight, Sanford Weill, the chairman of
Travellers Group, the 

[CTRL] [2] Dirty Gold in Goldman Sachs?

2001-05-15 Thread Kris Millegan

-Caveat Lector-

from:
http://msnhomepages.talkcity.com/ReportersAlley/thecatbirdseat/GoldmanSachs.ht
m

FOR WALL STREET the early 1970s were wretched times. In January 1973 the Dow
had stood at 1,051 and by December 1974 it had almost halved to 578 and would
not rise above 1,000 again until 1980. For Goldman Sachs, which would
struggle with low earnings and a spate of lawsuits, this would be a
particularly difficult time.

The low point in Levy's management of the firm came in February 1979, after
the Penn Central Railroad reported dismal earnings. An official of the
National Credit Office (the agency that rated commercial paper) telephoned
Goldman Sachs, Penn Central's commercial paper issuer, to discuss the
railroad's creditworthiness. The firm reassured the official of its generally
positive view of the situation, and the paper's prime rating was left in
place. . . .

Goldman Sachs continued to sell Penn Central paper, but took steps that
minimized its own exposure to the securities. While still recommending the
commercial paper to customers, the firm feared that there would be little
customer demand and insisted that henceforth it would provide customers with
Penn Central paper from a tap -- that is, the railroad would issue a
specified amount whenever Goldman Sachs brought them an interested buyer. In
this way, Goldman Sachs would have no more than $8 million in inventory. . .
.

When Penn Central plunged into bankruptcy, panic engulfed the commercial
paper market. Investors concerned about the solvency of other issues by
Goldman Sachs--the firm had about 300 issuers at the time--rushed to redeem
their securities. Corporations all over America had to borrow from banks to
repay these short-term debts, and the Federal Reserve was forced to act to
ensure continued liquidity. ...

Goldman Sachs has assumed, incorrectly, that the Federal Reserve would rescue
the railroad by providing it with the needed liquidity. . . .

Levy testified later that at no time was he concerned about the solvency of
the railroad. Regardless, Goldman Sachs was censured by the Securities and
Exchange Commission for its actions and required to give customers more
detailed information about issuers in the future.

Despite the fact that Goldman Sachs had access to a great deal of adverse
financial information about Penn Central, the SEC said that it did not
communicate this information to its commercial paper customers, nor did it
undertake a thorough investigation of the company. . .

For Goldman Sachs the episode was nothing short of a disaster. The firm's
good name, nurtured for so many decades by Sidney Weinberg, was once again
tarnished, its credibility damaged, its finances precarious. . .

Clients lined up to sue the firm, with Goldman Sachs named in at least
forty-five lawsuits. The railroad had defaulted on $87 million worth of
commercial paper at the time of the bankruptcy, and the firm faced potential
lawsuits for an amount greater than the partners' capital, which stood at
only $53 million at the time.

It was a frightening time for the forty-five partners, because their personal
liability was unlimited. Although the firm did not admit liability, it
eventually settled with many clients, buying their paper back for between
twenty and twenty-five cents on the dollar and granting them some
participation in any recovery of funds that might be made from Penn Central.

In October 1974, Welch's Foods and two other plaintiffs sued the firm, and
the case went to trial.

A federal jury found Goldman Sachs guilty of defrauding its customers by
selling them Penn Central commercial paper in 1969 and 1970, when the
railroad was going broke. The firm was forced to buy back the commercial
paper from the plaintiffs at its face value plus interest. . . .

* * *

In October 1976, Levy suffered a stroke and collapsed while chairing a board
meeting . . . Leaderless, the firm was left in turmoil. . . .

* * *

The author writes that the two leading contenders for Levy's leadership seat
were John Whitehead and Sidney Weinberg's son, John L. Weinberg, and that
eventually they were elected to co-chair the firm. Sidney, according to the
author, had given his son advice about the business, and relates a story
about him sending John to see Floyd Odlum, the man to whom he had sold the
Goldman Sachs Trading Corporation:

While the other meetings John attended may have produced some sound advice,
Odlum's words still ring in John's ears some fifty years later . . . Odlum
offered the younger Weinberg these prophetic words of advice: I am going to
do something for you. I will give you this book, but you have to promise me
that for the whole rest of your career, you will keep a copy of this book and
refer to it. . . .

The book was Popular Delusions and the Madness of Crowds by Charles McKay,
originally published in 1841. Watch for the excesses, Odlum warned. No one
is going to tell you what they are or when they will arise; each time they
will 

[CTRL] [4] Dirty Gold in Goldman Sachs?

2001-05-15 Thread Kris Millegan

-Caveat Lector-

from:
http://msnhomepages.talkcity.com/ReportersAlley/thecatbirdseat/GoldmanSachs.ht
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American International Group - From The Washington Weekly, Mar. 17, 1997:

THE BARBADOS CONNECTION -- CORAL REINSURANCE

The link between the Arkansas Development Finance Authority (ADFA) and AIG
goes beyond $5 million. An AIG affiliate has managed over one billion dollars
worth of ADFA's bonds, according to the Arkansas Democrat Gazette. An
allegation that ADFA launders money for U.S. intelligence has repeatedly
surfaced but without any direct documentary evidence to date . . . .

Apart from ADFA, where does AIG get its money to fund, among other things,
lobbying on behalf of the Chinese government? The answer is not clear, though
some indications are available. (1) In 1995, AIG became the first company to
be licensed to sell insurance in China. (2) AIG is a client of Kissinger 
Associates.

It was Henry Kissinger, the former Secretary of State, who advised against
harsh sanctions after the Tienanmen Square massacre. . . . (3) AIG has also
been the focus of SEC and BCCI investigator, Manhattan DA Robert Morgenthau's
attention . . . to explore its ties to the BCCI. (4) And finally, AIG is
headed by Maurice Greenberg, one-time chairman of the NY Federal Reserve Bank
, and in 1995 a candidate to head the CIA.

Greenberg is chairman of the US-China Business Council and lobbied hard (and
successfully) for the Clinton administration to sever the link between
China's human rights record and renewal of China's Most-Favored-Nation trade
status.* * *

Whatever AIG is, it appears to be tied into that big, bipartisan, ugly
network of intelligence, money laundering, Arkansas, and Communist China.

* * *

On Feb 10, 2000, American International Group reported that its net income
for 1999 increased 18.1% to $5.06 billion. AIG Chairman M.R. Greenberg
reported, among other things, that during 1999: ... we opened our new life
and general insurance branch office in Shenzhen, China, marking the fourth
Chinese metropolitan area where AIG has established wholly-owned,
full-service insurance operations.

During the fourth quarter, we also entered into an agreement to purchase a
70 percent equity interest in a subsidiary of LIPPO LIFE, Indonesia's leading
life insurance company. The new joint venture, renamed AIG Lippo Life, is the
largest life company in Indonesia, marketing life, pension and health
products through a multi-channel distribution network. . . .

* * *

[A Catbird Musing: Now, where have we heard that name LIPPO before? Oh, yeah,
wasn't that the Indonesian/Chinese bunch connected with the 1996 Clinton-Gore
campaign scandals? H!]





AXA Financial - One of the world's largest insurance/financial companies,
based in France.

From Reuters News, 6/2/00:

INSURERS MUST HONOR POLICIES PAID TO NAZIS

by Joan Gralla

The World Jewish Congress on Friday said European insurers still have to make
good on prewar policies sold to Holocaust survivors-- even if the policies
were cashed-in by Nazis.

Elan Steinberg, executive director for the advocacy group, said this was one
issue he would stress on June 21, when the International Commission on
Holocaust-era Insurance Claims meets in London. The WJC is a member of the
commission, which is auditing Europe's insurers to see if they cheated
Holocaust families by failing to honor prewar policies.

It is grotesque to describe a policy paid to a murderer as a paid policy,
Steinberg told Reuters. He explained that it was common practice for the
Nazis to set up so-called blocked accounts-- accounts held in the name of the
recipient that could only be tapped by the Nazis.

I have actually heard insurance representatives claim that since they paid
those policies out they want blocked accounts considered paid claims, he
said. . . .

Germany's Allianz, France's AXA, Italy's General Assicurazioni, and Swiss
insurers Wintherthur and Zurich Allied, which participate in the commission,
had all agreed to use relatively undemanding standards of proof because of
the special nature of Holocaust claims.

In an internal document obtained by Reuters, the Washington, D.C.-based
commission has accused the five insurers of wrongly rejecting some claims
from Holocaust families by asking for documents that they cannot possibly
supply. Few, if any, survivors walked out of concentration camps with
insurance documents, bank books or other financial records.

* * *

So, just where did the billions of dollars in Holocaust victims' money go
over the past half-century? Well, only the Third Reich and Robert Rubin may
ever really know, but here are some possibilities:

AXA Financial is the 8th largest institutional investor in Columbia/HCA; the
7th largest in Barclays Bank; the 4th largest in Bank of America; the 3rd
largest in Citigroup; the 3rd largest in American International Group; the
3rd largest in Merrill Lynch; and last 

[CTRL] [5] Dirty Gold in Goldman Sachs?

2001-05-15 Thread Kris Millegan

-Caveat Lector-

from:
http://msnhomepages.talkcity.com/ReportersAlley/thecatbirdseat/GoldmanSachs.ht
m

Lucent Technologies - From CNN.com, 2/9/01: LUCENT TARGETED BY SEC - Telecom
equipment maker says it's cooperation with accounting probe.

Lucent Technologies is cooperating with a Securities and Exchange Commission
investigation of possible fraudulent accounting practices during its last
fiscal year, the company said Friday.

The SEC probe is focusing on whether Lucent improperly booked $679 million in
revenue during its 2000 fiscal year, the Wall Street Journal reported . . .

Lucent in December adjusted its revenue statement for the fiscal
fourth-quarter, deducting the $679 million, after its own investigation. . . .

Shares of Lucent, which have been on a steady downslide since last summer,
were down $1.93 at $14.96 . . . Over the past year, Lucent's shares have
underperformed the SP's 500 index by about 70 percent. . . .

John Hynie, an SEC spokesman, declined comment on the newspaper's report. . .
.

PricewaterhouseCoopers, which is the company's auditor, also declined
comment. . . .

On top of earnings warnings, Lucent has faced job cuts, profit shortfalls and
product development missteps in the past year.

* * *

Press Release, 3/12/97: Lucent provides equipment for military communications
upgrade in Hawaii . . . Lucent Technologies announced today it has sold $16
million in network switching equipment to Wheat International for an upgrade
of military communications systems in Hawaii. . . .

Lucent Technologies was formed as a result of ATT's restructuring and became
a fully independent company, separate from ATT, on Sept 10, 1996. . . .

* * *

The Honolulu Advertiser, 2/16/01: Bush May Stop VIP Cruises - The search for
survivors and the quest for answers continued yesterday from Oahu to the
Pentagon.

It prompted President Bush to suggest that the military review its practice
of allowing civilians to ride aboard sophisticated warships like the
submarine that sank a Japanese fishing vessel seven days ago. . . .

At the Pentagon, Pietropaoli confirmed earlier reports that retired Adm.
Richard Macke of Honolulu had helped arrange for individuals for the
Missouri Battleship Memorial Association to tour the sub while on its
training maneuvers. He said 14 of the 16 guests were involved with the
Missouri association.

Yesterday, retired Adm. Robert Kihune, vice chairman and president of the USS
Missouri Memorial Association, said he had not seen the guest list and
therefore did not know whether any of the association's more than 3,000
members were involved. . . .

* * *

Wheat International - Profiles: Richard Macke, Senior Vice President -
Professional Background: Commander in Chief, U.S. Pacific Command ...

* * *Multex Market Guide, 2/9/01: Lucent Technologies, Inc. - 52 Week High:
$75.38 ... Recent Price: $15.36

#1 Top Institutional Holder: Barclays Global Investors International - Shares
held: 96,482,718 ... Position Value: $2,948,753,000

Other Top Institutional Holders: Teachers Insurance  Annuity Association;
Fidelity Mgmt  Research Co; Deutsche Bank Trust; State Street Global
Advisors; Smith Barney; J. P. Morgan; Vanguard Group; Morgan Stanley Dean
Witter; Putnam Investment Mgmt (Marsh  McLennan); Invesco Inc; and Goldman
Sachs . . .

Directors and Officers worthy of note:

Paul A. Allaire, a Director of Lucent since 1996. Mr. Allaire is also
Chairman (since 1991) and CEO (since May 2000, and 1990-1999) of Xerox Corp.

Carla A. Hills, a Director of Lucent since 1996. Chairman and Chief Executive
Officer of Hills  Company (international consultants) since 1993. U.S. Trade
Representative (1989-1993). Director of American International Group; Chevron
Corp; and Time Warner Inc.

Deborah C. Hopkins, Executive Vice President, Chief Financial Officer from
April 21, 2000. Ms. Hopkins joined Lucent after serving as Sr. V.P. and CFO
of the Boeing Co. since 1998. She also served as Chairman of Boeing Capital
Corporation. Prior to her tenure at Boeing, she served as CFO of General
Motors Europe from 1997 to 1998 and as General Auditor from 1995 to 1997. For
the Fiscal Year ending 9/30/00, Ms. Hopkins received a salary of $287,083 and
a Bonus of $4,650,000, plus other compensation of $228,215, for a total
annual compensation of $5,165,298.





Robert Rubin - Former co-chairman of Goldman Sachs, former U.S. Treasury
Secretary; current co-chairman of Citigroup.

From The Buying of the President by Charles Lewis and the Center for Public
Integrity:

With the pressing need to maintain the trust and confidence of Wall Street, a
significant force in the new education of Bill Clinton in late 1992 and early
1993 was Robert Rubin, a man worth an estimated $100 million who resigned as
co-chairman of Goldman Sachs to join the Clinton administration. Rubin and
his wife made a $275,000 contribution from their personal foundation to the

Re: [CTRL] A modest proposal

2001-05-15 Thread Prudence L. Kuhn

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Sounds like a great idea.  Can you provide location of one of these pristine areas?  
Prudy

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Re: [CTRL] Heaven Is A Battlefield

2001-05-15 Thread Prudence L. Kuhn

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Yes, and we have the right folks in charge.  The following appeared in this morning's 
Austin-Statesman.

Ashcroft prayer meetings criticized:

Attorney General John Ashcroft's practice of holding devotional meetings with 
employees each morning has drawn fire from advocates of church-state separation.

At morning meetings, Ashcroft presides over a reading, sometimes from the Bible, 
followed by a discussion and a prayer.  All employees are welcome but are not required 
to attend, aidessaid.

Barry Lynn, executive director of Americans United for Separation of Church and State, 
said empoyees may feel pressured to embrace Ashcroft's religious beliefs.

Justice department employees who do not participate may feel their job advancement is 
hindered, Lynn said.  Whenever a superior orchestrates a religious event, the people 
who work for him feel pressureto participate in order to advance their careers.  (A 
footnote says this was compiled from wire services.)

It's such a relief to know that the right guys are in charge, and they're all WASPs.  
The good old days are back with us and the good old boys as well.  Honk if you 
love Jesus.  That's not really an order, but it's going to be replacing In God We 
trust on US currency.

Prudy

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[CTRL] Fwd: Konformist: The Guardian. 5 May 2001: Conspirators

2001-05-15 Thread Kris Millegan





The Guardian, UK


Conspirators 

On May 16, Timothy McVeigh is due to be executed for his part in the
Oklahoma City bombing. He claims the blast was all his own work. But, Jon
Ronson discovers, there were probably others, government agents even, who
knew what was afoot

Jon Ronson
Guardian

Saturday May 5, 2001


Timothy McVeigh, the Oklahoma City bomber, is a conspiracy theorist. He
believes that a shadowy elite of bankers and industrialists and politicians
are plotting in secret to take over the world, disarm gun enthusiasts and
implement a sinister New World Order - a world government that will destroy
anyone who disobeys. McVeigh considered the Murrah building in Oklahoma City
to be the local headquarters of the New World Order.

Sure, McVeigh was fully aware that innocent secretaries and receptionists
would be killed as a result of the massive truck bomb he detonated on April
19, 1995. But he was a keen Star Wars fan and he compared those innocents to
the space-age clerical workers inside the Death Star. Those people weren't
storm troopers. But they were vital to the operations of the Evil Empire.
And when Luke Skywalker blew up the Death Star, the movie audiences cheered.
The bad guys were beaten. That was all that really mattered.

It is, therefore, churlish of McVeigh to scornfully dismiss - as crazy
paranoid nuts - the legions of conspiracy theorists who believe that the
truth of the Oklahoma City bombing has yet to be officially recognised.
McVeigh is seething about this inside his death row cell. He is due to be
executed on May 16. He feels the conspiracy theories are tainting his
impending martyrdom. You can't handle the truth, he has said. And the
truth is that it is pretty scary that one guy can do this all alone.

The conspiracy theories centre on a bizarre white separatist encampment on
the Oklahoma/Arkansas border called Elohim City and two of its regular
visitors: a flamboyant neo-Nazi called Dennis Mahon and an extraordinary
German called Andy Strassmeir. McVeigh says the Elohim City conspiracy
theories are nonsense, a red herring. But I didn't know what to think. They
seemed pretty convincing to me. Perhaps I am becoming a conspiracy nut.
Whatever, I wanted to meet the alleged co-conspirators. It would, at least,
be interesting to ask them how it felt to be widely considered, by
conspiracy theorists, to be the hidden hands behind the Oklahoma City
bombing. 

It was a Monday morning in early April. Dennis Mahon was jumpy and on the
run in Arizona. It drives you crazy, he said. Thousands think I was
involved. I've started to believe it myself. Maybe I was there. Maybe they
brainwashed me and I forgot about it. Maybe I can get hypnotised and
remember it. Everybody said I was there. Everybody said I drove the truck.
They saw me. 

This is true. In the immediate aftermath of the bombing, many passers-by
claimed to have seen McVeigh in Oklahoma City with unknown others. One
witness drew a sketch of a John Doe who looked remarkably like how Dennis
Mahon might look in dark glasses and a pencil moustache.

Maybe there's somebody out there who looks like me, said Dennis. I'm just
about ready to turn myself in and tell them, 'Okay motherfuckers, I did it'.
But I didn't. Then Dennis showed me his scar - the result, he said, of a
stress-related intestinal infection.

But for all of this Dennis Mahon seemed secretly thrilled to be a central
player in the alternative history of the Oklahoma bombing. Columbia Pictures
is even considering making a movie of the story I am about to tell. It'll
be a hell of a good movie, he said. I hope Tom Berenger plays me. But one
guy said Danny DeVito's going to play me. That'll devastate me. I'll leave
the country. 

Dennis peered through the curtains of our secret rendezvous location: Room
315 of the Hampton Inn near Phoenix airport. The Feds are on my tail! he
stammered. The bastard sons of the FBI followed me here. See that white
car? 

Why are they following you? I asked.

Well, Tim McVeigh did all his training over there, he said, pointing west
to Kingman, Arizona. And he's going to be executed. And they're afraid
there might be retaliation for that. And there very well might be. There
very, very, very well might be.

Dennis Mahon is a veteran neo-Nazi. He was famous before the Oklahoma
bombing conspiracy theories. When you see him in old Ku Klux Klan
recruitment videos from the 80s , he looks striking and quick-witted. Now he
is jowly, the spitting image of the actor John Goodman.

Yeah, I'm an old guy now, says Dennis. I'm an old comrade. I've seen
changes. More lone wolfism. One man one act. These stupid Klan guys want to
be circus clowns. And the Klan's targets are just little negroes. And then
they get drunk in a pub and talk about it. You've got to raise your sights a
little bit. If you're going to get 10 years for calling somebody a nigger,
or throwing a rock through a synagogue window, you might as well go and do a
McVeigh. And I think the kids are 

[CTRL] Bush Schwarzkopf - Lions face new threat: they're rich, American and they've got guns

2001-05-15 Thread Kris Millegan

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Click Here: A 
HREF=http://www.guardianunlimited.co.uk/international/story/0,3604,479311,00.

htmlGuardian Unlimited | The Guardian | Lions face …/A

Lions face new threat: they're rich, American and they've got guns 

Schwarzkopf and Bush Snr mobilise opposition as Botswana moves to save its 
big cats

Special report: George Bush's America 

Chris McGreal in Johannesburg
Friday April 27, 2001
The Guardian 

You might call the lions of southern Africa potential Bush meat. The former 
American president, George Bush senior, and his old Gulf War ally, General 
Stormin' Norman Schwarzkopf, are pleading with the government of Botswana 
to be allowed to revive their old alliance, this time in pursuit of Africa's 
endangered big cats. 

Mr Bush is among prominent members of Safari Club International (SCI) who 
have written to the Botswanan authorities asking them to lift a ban slapped 
on trophy hunting of lions in February. 
Arizona-based SCI describes itself as the largest hunting organisation in the 
world and people who do not like what it does as animal protection 
extremists. 

Mr Bush's former vice-president, Dan Quayle, is also among the signatories 
along with Gen Schwarzkopf. Both men went hunting in Botswana last year, 
although it is not known if they bagged lions on that occasion. 
Rich Americans, Europeans and Japanese pay about £20,000 a time to kill a 
lion in Botswana. The government usually permits the shooting of about 50 
lions a year by trophy hunters but decided to impose the ban in part because 
American shooters favour lions with thick manes for their walls, leading to a 
disproportionate killing of mature males. 

The shortage of such beasts is now so great that hunters have been making use 
of a mane-extension service back in the US where fake hair is weaved in to 
give their trophies an extra flourish before they hang the heads. 

Among those who campaigned for a ban on lion hunting in Botswana is Derek 
Joubert, the country's leading chronicler of big cats. 

I've been studying lions in northern Botswana for 20 years and watching them 
systematically decline in population size and health primarily, perhaps even 
solely, as the result of hunting, he said. 
We've also seen some bizarre situations arising. Hunters target the primary 
males. When they disappear the male cubs don't leave the pride, they're not 
chased out. So we've seen these young males breeding with their sisters and 
their mothers because the trophy males have been killed. 

Mr Joubert estimates that the number of lions in Botswana has declined by 
about two-thirds in 10 years. That is average for the continent. 

Exact numbers of lions are notoriously difficult to measure but there is 
broad consensus among conservationists and governments that the population in 
Africa has fallen from about 50,000 to less than 15,000 over the past decade. 
The surviving lions are largely confined to four viable populations in 
southern and east Africa. 

Peasant farmers also had a hand in the Botswana ban. The government had 
already forbidden them to shoot lions that attack cattle. The farmers said it 
was unfair to permit rich hunters to go on killing lions for sport when 
peasants were prevented from protecting their precious livestock. 

There's no other reason to shoot a lion other than ego. As a hunter you want 
to feel great so you can hang it on the wall and your mates say: 'Wow, what a 
man', Mr Joubert said. I'm not particularly anti-hunting. I can't 
personally see the point in going out and shooting a lion. But I do have a 
problem with the ethics of it and the sustainability of it. 

The nature of lion hunting has changed from colonial days. Faster vehicles 
and high powered rifles have further reduced the already bad odds against the 
animals. On top of that, the idea of three week hunts deep into the bush in 
the hope, but not necessarily the expectation, of bagging something big have g
iven way to the concept of a sure kill. 

It's very difficult for a professional hunter to turn around to some guy 
who's paid $30,000 to kill a lion and say: 'Don't shoot that one he's too 
young, he's not ready'. The guy's going to say, I came here to kill a lion 
and that's what I'm going to do, said Mr Joubert. 

At least there is still something of the hunt left in Botswana. South Africa 
offers the notorious canned lion service in which a trapped animal is 
virtually delivered to the barrel of a gun. 

Many of the lions are bred in captivity solely as bait for hunters and then 
hardly pursued at all. They are released into what are no more than fields 
surrounded by fences and hunted. They have no chance of escape. 
On one occasion captured on video a lioness was separated from her cubs and 
shot just yards away. Last year a pride of problem lions - they had been 
eating livestock - in the state-owned Kruger National Park was sold to a 
hunting tour operator for delivery to his clients. 

Tales of horrendous 

[CTRL] Fwd: Konformist: McVeigh, master of misinformation//Hunt for McVeigh gang ended within weeks

2001-05-15 Thread Kris Millegan





Independent, UK

McVeigh sought martyrdom 'to aid co-conspirators'

By Andrew Gumbel and Mary Dejevsky

14 May 2001

Timothy McVeigh deliberately encouraged newspaper stories about his guilt in
the Oklahoma City bombing from the earliest days of his case to deflect
attention from other possible suspects, a new book by his trial lawyer
shows.

According to Stephen Jones, who represented McVeigh until his sentencing in
1997 and now feels unrestrained by any lawyer-client confidentiality, his
client's strategy was always to be the focus of as much public indignation
as possible so the world would believe he was some kind of demon terrorist
mastermind who acted alone.

If no one else is arrested or convicted, Mr Jones quotes McVeigh as
telling him, then the revolution can continue.

As early as May 1995, less than one month after the bombing that ripped
apart the federal government office building in Oklahoma City and killed 168
people, The New York Times reported that McVeigh had confessed his guilt to
at least two people. At the time the assumption was that he had said too
much to his cell mates. But the new book reveals that it was Mr Jones
himself who briefed The New York Times - at the express instruction of his
client. The second person cited in the article was another member of the
defence team.

In the book, Mr Jones reproduces a signed statement from McVeigh written the
day after the article appeared making clear that his lawyer had his
authorisation to talk off the record. I have read The New York Times
story, the statement says. It is consistent with what I authorised him to
tell NY Times and it is accurate.

This revelation is the latest indication that McVeigh and his government
prosecutors developed a joint interest in denying the existence of other
accomplices in Oklahoma City on the morning of the bombing.

The Federal Bureau of Investigation initially mounted a search for a second
suspect, known as John Doe 2, but after more than a year of fruitless
investigation came to insist there was no such person - almost certainly to
increase its chances of securing a conviction against McVeigh.

The existence of a wider conspiracy, described in detail in The Independent
last Friday, is likely to receive renewed attention following the discovery
of thousands of pages of prosecution documents improperly withheld from Mr
Jones's defence team during the trial.

The documents, which have been sent to McVeigh's current legal team, came to
light just six days before his scheduled execution. The disclosure
embarrassed the authorities and forced the Attorney General, John Ashcroft,
to postpone the first federal execution since 1963 with just five days to
go.

A lawyer for McVeigh said yesterday that the defence team could seek a new
trial, once it had perused the thousands of pages of evidence handed over by
the FBI last week. It is believed the new documents include witness
statements taken immediately after the bombing that indicate sightings of
John Doe 2 and possibly other suspects too.

Asked on NBC television whether McVeigh might seek a new trial, Rob Nigh -
one of his two main lawyers - said: It is certainly possible. But at this
stage, he said, McVeigh was still reviewing his options.

Responding to some of the popular fury unleashed by his decision to delay
the execution, Mr Ashcroft told The Oklahoman newspaper that he would not
authorise any new delay. We feel that ample time has been provided, and I
have no intention of further extending this deadline, he said

Any decision about what happens next, however, rests not with Mr Ashcroft,
but with McVeigh, his lawyers and the courts. Yesterday, few people -
politicians, lawyers or the public - were very confident that the 11 June
date would be kept. Among the most vocal was Gore Vidal, the writer and
ardent opponent of the death penalty, who had been asked by McVeigh to
witness his death by lethal injection and planned to write about it for
Vanity Fair.

Mr Vidal said he believed that the case would drag on for ever more. And
he noted the irony of the latest turn of events. I have a number of
thoughts on this, he said, and one is that this has a nice symmetry to his
story ... McVeigh was reacting to the FBI [the 1993 raid on the Branch
Davidian compound at Waco in Texas] and now his own case is jeopardised by
their actions.

Mr Jones, an experienced county lawyer from Enid, Oklahoma, who was widely
criticised for botching the trial in a failed attempt to further his own
conspiracy theories, first published his book, called Others Unknown, in
1998. For the new edition he has spoken freely about his client, arguing
that it was McVeigh himself who broke their confidentiality agreement when
he launched a wide-ranging attack on his reputation in a series of
interviews with two reporters from his home town of Buffalo, New York.

McVeigh insisted throughout his dealings with Mr Jones that there was no
John Doe 2. Mr Jones, who did not believe him, 

[CTRL] Selections of CIA MKULTRA Documents - 0001

2001-05-15 Thread Kris Millegan

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from:
http://cryptome.org/mkultra-0001.htm
Click Here: A HREF=http://cryptome.org/mkultra-0001.htm;Selections of CIA 
MKULTRA Documents - 0001/A
-
14 May 2001: See list of MKULTRA documents and subprojects at the National 
Security Archive: 

http://nemasys.com/rahome/library/programming/mkultra.shtml 
13 May 2001: Thanks to AW, it appears that the most of the collection of 
MKULTRA documents cited here was released in 1978 to author John Marks by the 
CIA under an FOIA request. Mr. Marks subsequently wrote a book based on 
16,000 pages of documents which describes the CIA's behavorial and mind 
control program; the highly informative book is available on the Web: 

http://www.druglibrary.org/schaffer/lsd/marks.htm 
The book provides many of the redacted names of program participants as well 
as much more about the history and extent of the programs. 
Some of the documents are dated after Mr. Marks' book, thus may come from 
other CIA releases. 
12 May 2001 
These are documents from the Central Intelligence Agency's formerly Top 
Secret MKULTRA program which conducted what CIA Director Allen Dulles 
characterized as ultra-sensitive research in behavioral modification and 
assassination studies from the 1950s to the 1970s. MKULTRA was revealed 
during Congressional hearings in the mid-1970s. 
A collection of several thousand digitized images of 1,200 MKULTRA documents 
was provided by an anonymous donor to IntellNet which has shared a copy of 
the collection with Cryptome. Selected documents will be transcribed for 
publication here. 
Folders below are linked to IntellNet's archive of document images: 
http://intellnet.org/mkultra/. 
xxx indicates redactions in the original. 


[Folder 146167; 8 pages.] 
[TSD is the CIA's Technical Services Division, which conducts scientific and 
technical research in-agency and through outside contracts.] 
[Report paginated as 199-206]

417 
[By hand:] 
Excerpt from 1957 IG Report Operations of TSD 

7. Influencing Human Behavior 
a. Influencing human behavior is a most complex subject and very difficult 
 to describe and evaluate in terms of accomplishment, cost, and potential 
benefit to clandestine operations. The whole field includes medical, 
physiological and psychological aspects and while there has been much 
speculation on the subject very little of a positive nature is known about 
the extent to which human behavior can be predicted, directed and controlled. 
Chemical Division has launched a program having some specific goals in view 
and has now reached a point in progress where a review of the program should 
be made to determine if the effort should be continued and what course it 
should take. 
b. Because of the scarcity of positive knowledge, much time and money is 
being spent on fairly basic research and extensive testing and 
experimentation. This type of activity cannot be measured in terms of 
concrete results nor can dollar values be applied. It requires an appraisal 
of the objectives of the program from the point of view of the operational 
benefits to be derived, weighed against the allocation of RD manpower and 
funds. 
c. In considering the objectives, it is helpful to examine the operational 
problems the program is designed to meet: One of the major problems is that 
of improved interrogation techniques. Many different methods are used to 
break down an individual's resistance to interrogation but there is always 
doubt about the accuracy and reliability of information obtained by the 
classical methods of pressure, duress or torture. The use of drugs or 
psychochemicals in this respect is not new. So-called truth serums have 
been used, sometimes successfully but more often not. The approach being 
taken by the Chemical Division is to use psychochemicals to create within the 
individual a mental and emotional situation which will release him from 
restraint of self-control and induce him to reveal information willingly 
under adroit manipulation. 
d. Related to the improvement of offensive interrogation techniques is the 
development of defensive measures against opposition interrogation. Knowledge 
gained in the former will lead to countermeasures for the protection of 
Agency personnel and information concerning Agency activities. This is 
another objective of the program. 
e. The potential use of psychochemicals in political action operations is 
well recognized, although it has not been explored as thoroughly as might be 
expected. Chemical Division includes it as an objective of its program to be 
prepared to support or make such operations possible. Non-chemical methods of 
accomplishing political action operations are also included in the program. 
f. Lesser objectives but perhaps of equal importance are [two lines redacted] 
and practical aid to case officers in handling agents. In total, the 
objectives are considered to be sound. 

Re: [CTRL] A Disease that Causes Abortion and China Connection

2001-05-15 Thread Aleisha Saba

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The one article showed horses getting disease like HIV and AIDSnote
vets are warned about needle sharing?

Note:  Estrogen, etc. made from horse serum?

Organized crime has destroyed the Kentucky Derby - once it was a sign of
the old South - elegance and racing for love of it.Meyer Lansky in
70 period was bein hauled into court something to do with horses, and
when organized crime enters the picture it turns dirty.

Dead horses and dead golfers  is thre a difference?  Keep thinking of
Payne Stewart who took that Ryder Cup - and then his last plane trip - 4
dead men crossing the country while Clinton schemed maybe to shoot down
the plane??

All sports now corrupted - even the gentleman's game, of golf.

Saba

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[CTRL] YeeeeeeeeeeHaw

2001-05-15 Thread Aleisha Saba

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Nice item from Andre:




On Tue, 15 May 2001 09:34:17 EDT [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 Speaking of foot and mouthheard on the radio news on
the way home this morning that the Texas Ag, secretary has banned about
3/4 of the heavy equipment that British and Dutch troops were trying to
bring into Texas for this upcoming joint military exercise because of
foot and mouth. As a result, they won't be able to participate.
yeehaaa ! Way to GO, Texas ! I think it's way cool
that the Ag. Secretary can effectively screw up a big NWO military
exercise.like they say, DON'T MESS WITH TEXAS
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Re: [CTRL] Heaven Is A Battlefield

2001-05-15 Thread Aleisha Saba

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Well Ashcroft seems to like to pray on street corners..even if he is
sincere, he is overdoing it.

As for the bumper stickers Honk if You Love Jesus - well my sister
always wanted to get a bumper sticker Honk if you Love Nixon.

Freedom of expression in silence is more appreciated - but even the New
Testaments tells you to go into closet to pray - always thought praying
was a private thing and it is safe for Ashcroft to return to the closet,
for the homosexuals have been set free.

Saba

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[CTRL] POLL: Do you agree with the court's decision? - The U.S. Supreme Court unanimously ruled that California cannabis clubs may not legally distribute marijuana as a medical necessity.

2001-05-15 Thread tribalzidane

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The U.S. Supreme Court unanimously ruled that California cannabis clubs may
not legally distribute marijuana as a medical necessity. Do you agree with
the court's decision?

http://dailynews.yahoo.com/h/nm/20010514/ts/court_marijuana_dc_5.html

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Re: [CTRL] POLL: Do you agree with the court's decision? - The U.S. Supreme Court unanimously ruled that California cannabis clubs may not legally distribute marijuana as a medical necessity.

2001-05-15 Thread Aleisha Saba

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Well if the cannot distribute it as a medical necessity why not
distribute it just for fun?

Roll and Grow you own - can't get you all.

Saba

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[CTRL] Corrected - POLL: Do you agree with the court's decision? - The U.S. Supreme Court unanimously ruled that California cannabis clubs may not legally distribute marijuana as a medical necessity.

2001-05-15 Thread tribalzidane

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Poll 1:

The U.S. Supreme Court unanimously ruled that California cannabis clubs may
not legally distribute marijuana as a medical necessity. Do you agree with
the court's decision?

http://dailynews.yahoo.com/h/nm/20010514/ts/court_marijuana_dc_5.html


Current Results:

Yes 35%
No  64%







Poll 2:

Do you agree or disagree with the U.S. Supreme Court's decision that
California cannabis clubs may not legally distribute marijuana as a medical
necessity for seriously ill patients?

http://news.excite.com/news/poll/


Current Results:

Agree   29%  =  9286 votes
Disagree67%  =  21183 votes
Not sure 2%  =  880 votes

Current Vote Tally: 31349







Poll 3:

Do you support the use of marijuana as a medicine for certain types of
disease?

http://toledoblade.com/apps/pbcs.dll/forside


Current Results:

Yes 65.3%
No  22.2%
Not Sure 9.1%
Don't Care   3.5%

Number of votes518


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[CTRL] Fw: war criminal blair

2001-05-15 Thread Mrs. Jela Jovanovic




- Original Message - 
From: cana.london 

To: mailto:Undisclosed-Recipient:@SOLAIR.EUnet.yu 

Sent: Tuesday, May 15, 2001 3:49 PM
Subject: war criminal blair



 
Immediate Release: 


A 55 year old former 
teacher William Spring who now lives on benefit in Tottenham is sending out door 
to door a pamphlet attacking New Labour as New Nazis  saying there is only 
one question worth asking in this election  that is do we want a war 
criminal to continue running this country? 

He also criticises BBC 
election coverage for keeping foreign policy out of the 
discussion.

William Spring 
comments:

"I've been living in 
emergency housing as a single parent with 4 children since 1996. Although London 
is short of teachers, I can't work because I'd be worse off. 


I can't afford to be worse 
off  it wd be irresponsible from the point of view of my children to get 
into that position, although I can't live on income support,  am gradually 
getting into debt. (New Labour has done nothing to assist those of us in "The 
Exclu").

I have written to Margaret 
Hodge MP, the Minister in charge of The New Deal, asking that instead of sending 
me irritating littlenotes, telling me to do some work, why doesn't she 
answer the mathematical question, fix the figures, so that work would be 
profitable for me? 

She has not replied. 


If I take a job  then 
lose it I am in abad situation because, if I am forced backon to 
income support, I would then go back without the single parent allowance. (Also 
if the rent isn't paid I could then be defined as intentionally 
homeless).

(The reason I don't 
have any money of my own @ the moment is because crooked lawyers, (with the help 
of The Law Society/The Lord Chancellor, + an array of crooked judges) have 
stolen our inheritance. 

See my web site http://crookjudges.human-rights.org/ 
which gives the full story C4 couldn't tell).

I think it's crazy for me to be on 
income support,not to access my own money,  that if I try 
access it I'm stopped by the Courts  clobbered for costs. They steal 
our money and want us to pay them for the privilege! This criminal-mafia legal 
power elite have to be stopped, somewhere. 

But this is not the point of this press 
release. Although it does explain my dissatisfaction with EU politicians, French 
and English. It was the French refusal to treat my wife for breast cancer in 
their health service which made us homeless in the first place. 


We in The Under Class are EU-NATO's 
targeted victims - like the Serbs!

Pasted underneath this e mail 
isthe pamphlet we are giving out here in Tottenham  in Haringey 
constituencies. 

Tottenham is one of Labour's rotten 
boroughs, where the dead get postal votes. 

(My son was put on the electoral 
register by New Labour @ 16. Only when I objected was he taken off, but there 
must bemany other proxy votes of this sort for New Labour 
here).

Lammie has no credibility. His concern 
is with Kentucky Fried Chicken, his mission ( in which he failed) was to stop 
the shop closing down in The High Road. 

(But he doesn't represent me, in 
fact he won't! If you want to write to him you first have to get a solicitor to 
write to him for you! )

Lammie is an example of the 
sanctimonious arrogance of New Labour. He's a member of The General 
Synodof The Church of England. I can't understand that.I think 
it's impossible to be a Christian  support New Labour. Lammie supports 
cloning. 

Eugenics. Another Nazi 
trick. 

The pharmaceutical 
companiesgive massive donations to New Labour. It's no good Labour saying 
they are going to stop cloning, because they started 
it.

This pamphlet relates to Iraq, 
Kosovo,  Macedonia. There are large numbers of Orthodox in this 
constituency  they will not vote for Tony Blair.

We are giving out this leaflet door to 
door in pamphlet form. (This is only the text). 

Thepamphletrefers to my 
visit to Belgrade . I went to Belgrade a few weeks ago @ SPS expense  what 
I found out was really upsetting. 

Of course Milosevic is a political 
prisoner, and also many of his supporters, (not thatAmnesty would notice), 
+ Mr Dragoljub Milanovic, former director of Yugoslavia state television, 
(incarcerated after the Djindic coup, accused of responsibility for the deaths 
of the civilian employees at the RTS, while those who sent the missile are 
feted by NATO's satellite government.) 

Other friends of Mr Milosevic have since 
killed byNATO-CIA death squads, the most recent tragic instance being the 
murder in her flat in Belgrade of a respected dentist Dr. Klara Mandic (57), a 
founder of the Serbian-Jewish Friendship Association, who lost her entire family 
to pro-Nazi thugs during World War II. 

NATO is also trying to kill Milosevic by 
refusing him medical treatment

Robertsonadmitted on BBC radio the other day how NATO had 
killed Arkan. At least he's honest, but why do we let such repulsive war 
criminals remain in office? 

ends: text of pamphlet 
below.










Re: [CTRL] FoxNews: Repubs Watch as California's Dem 'Titanic' Sinks inEnergy Crisis

2001-05-15 Thread Prudence L. Kuhn

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Isn't that the general idea?  The Republicans have been trashing California for the 
last six or seven years.  They hate California being so heavily Democrat, and they are 
making sure to punish the state as much as they possibly can.  That's just the kind of 
vindictive measures that repressive political groups use.  You'll notice that the good 
old boys in Texas are making a packet.  Prudy

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Re: [CTRL] Modest proposal suggestion #1

2001-05-15 Thread Prudence L. Kuhn

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I lived in Florida about forty years ago, and we managed all of the problems you 
mention without using any of the earth destroying measures currently fashionable.  Of 
course at the time we did not have to face a Bush administration at either state or 
federal level.  Prud

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Re: [CTRL] Corrected - POLL: Do you agree with the court's decision? - The U.S. Supreme Court unanimously ruled that California cannabis clubs may not legally distribute marijuana as a medical necessity.

2001-05-15 Thread Aleisha Saba

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Now if you multiply that 500 some figure by 1 billion, you will see how
polls and DNA works?

Same principle.like saying nobody has same fingerprint - how do they
know?

I once went down town and saw a girl that was my double my mother had
seen her also - but when she saw me, she turned around quickly..we
both had on robin egg blue Strook Coats (ice blue shaggy type, very
expensive - whole weeks pay).I was very young then, but I often
wondered who she was.

So - polls are deceptive practice and if the poll in Florida was off -
was hanky pank at the old vote banky - cannot predict a crooked election
so what about DNA?

Polls and DNA use same principle.

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[CTRL] N.Korea Uses Internet To Signal Agents

2001-05-15 Thread William Shannon
www.geostrategy-direct.com



Japan girds for cyberwar after Pyongyang 
switches to Internet to signal agents

    Japan’s government is stepping up efforts to protect its computer-based 
infrastructure against hackers and other cyber attackers. Tokyo is primarily 
concerned about intrusions from other nations, North Korea in particular.

   The Japanese Defense agency plans to spend $3.2 million on research for 
dealing with cyber attacks. Defense specialists also are being sent to the 
United States for training in cyber defenses.

   The Japanese government’s major fear is a possible attack from North 
Korean government-based hackers. According to Akihiko Nakajima, chief of the 
Command Telecommunications Division, Pyongyang ceased coded communications to 
its clandestine agents in Japan beginning in January of this year. He said 
communications have been embedded secretly “in the Internet.”

   The Japanese government says that its command and control systems are 
secure from outside intrusion. However, the threat to the systems comes from 
insiders or others who have planted trap doors. Nakajima told the Sankei 
Shimbun that “now a big problem is what we would do if a device were 
installed by vendors who have access through material requisitions, etc.”

   Hackers have penetrated and caused damage to web sites at numerous 
Japanese ministries, including those in charge of education, culture, sports, 
science and technology.

   Chinese hackers last year penetrated the web pages of government 
ministries and agencies, and data was rewritten to Chinese characters and in 
some cases a Chinese flag appeared. In response, the Tokyo set up a Cabinet 
office to promote countermeasures for information security and in December 
authorized a “special action plan to counter cyberterrorism directed against 
important infrastructure.”

   The plan is similar to the FBI’s national-level critical infrastructure 
protection office which aims to protect telecommunications, finance, 
transportation, electrical power, gas and government services from cyber 
attack.

   Japanese companies also are involved in cybersecurity by stepping up 
defenses through the use of firewalls and other Internet filtering devices. 



Re: [CTRL] How the FBI lost the evidence

2001-05-15 Thread Prudence L. Kuhn

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The FBI is covering something up.  They never worried about losing documentation in 
the past.  They are looking for something or trying to keep others from looking for 
something.  They don't care about McVeigh or the rest of us either for that matter.  
Prudy

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Re: [CTRL] Pentagon Seeks Mega-Mergers Between International Arms Corporations

2001-05-15 Thread Prudence L. Kuhn

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Looks like Eisenhower was the last military man who considered the 
military/industrial complex a problem.  The wunderkind in charge now think it's just 
a fab idea.  Prudy

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[CTRL] Civil rights and wrongs (fwd)

2001-05-15 Thread Yardbird

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http://wnd.com/news/printer-friendly.asp?ARTICLE_ID=22810

Civil rights and wrongs
By Joseph Farah

© 2001 WorldNetDaily.com

President Clinton tried last summer through executive order to extend special civil 
rights protections to those who don't speak English.

Executive Order 13166 required federal agencies to provide programs and activities 
normally provided in English to non-English speaking residents.

In other words, Clinton tried to make law, through EO 13166, as he had with a record 
number of sweeping executive orders specifically designed to go over the heads of 
Congress and usurp constitutional authority of the legislative branch of government.

Clinton's top aide, Paul Begala, you might remember, actually boasted in the New York 
Times that the administration would use this weapon to bypass Congress any time it 
pleased.

Stroke of the pen, law of the land, he said. Kinda cool.

Well, fortunately for once, the U.S. Supreme Court didn't think it was so cool.

In a recent 5-4 ruling, the court barred a private right of action to challenge state 
laws mandating English as the official language.

The case called Alexander v. Sandoval involved a Spanish-speaking woman, Martha 
Sandoval, who demanded that Alabama give her the state driver's license test in her 
native tongue. Alabama refused, citing its constitutional declaration of English as 
the official language.

This was a good, commonsense ruling in a case that should never have reached the 
Supreme Court.

Imagine poor Martha Sandoval -- so downtrodden and oppressed that she couldn't manage 
to get a driver's license because the test was in English. But this poor victim had 
the resources and wherewithal to file a lawsuit that made its way through the lower 
courts, where she prevailed, and all the way to the U.S. Supreme Court.

It's ludicrous -- almost as crazy as Clinton's executive orders.

But, for a change, the third branch of government actually did the right thing. The 
Supreme Court, in a narrow, split decision, found that individuals cannot sue under 
the Civil Rights Act based on disparate impact of laws -- only on intentional 
discrimination.

The ruling raises another question -- unaddressed by the decision itself.

There are 25 states that recognize English as the official language of the land, yet, 
the permanent bureaucracy in many of those states -- as well as the one in Washington 
-- have for too long ignored those requirements.

I lived in California for 20 years. Many years ago California voters approved, by an 
overwhelming majority, English as the official language. All government communications 
were to be in English, the voters decided. It was the law of the land.

Yet, it has been consistently ignored ever since. Ballots are multilingual. The 
Department of Motor Vehicles provides instructions in other languages. The state, in 
short, goes out of its way to drive up taxpayer costs in direct violation of the will 
of the people and the law of the land.

Think of all the money that is wasted on bilingual education alone in the government 
schools. Not only doesn't bilingual education work, it is counterproductive and 
extremely costly.

Did you know that the law of the land requires naturalized citizens of the United 
States to demonstrate the ability to read, write and speak simple words in English? 
Since only citizens are supposed to vote, of what use are bilingual ballots in America?

None of this was directly addressed in the Sandoval decision, but it's time for 
America to start dealing with such fundamental questions. And it's time for the 
permanent, enabling, self-empowering bureaucracies in state capitals and in Washington 
to stop breaking the law and to stop flouting the will of the people.

I criticized the court last month for its decision in a Texas case, in which it ruled 
cops could handcuff and arrest drivers for an offense such as not wearing a seatbelt.

I still stand by that criticism and see such cloudy thinking as leading directly to a 
police-state mentality. However, the high court got one right on the same day. The 
Sandoval case is worth thinking about. It should be an encouragement to Americans 
frustrated for too long by elitists overruling their commonsense expressions of right 
and wrong. And it ought to get us all thinking about the need for a common language to 
hold America together.


Joseph Farah is editor and chief executive officer of WorldNetDaily.com and writes a 
daily column.

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[CTRL] 60 Hard Truths about Liberals

2001-05-15 Thread Yardbird

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{REWRITTEN BY BOB FROM MICHIGAN}
A Christian Tract regarding Biblical Principles of
government.

Title: 60 Hard Truths about Liberals

For those of you who do not know, especially young
people, I am compelled to inform you of the generally
unknown truth that the word “Liberal” has a proud
heritage and was originally a word that described men
who were the political opposites of modern “Liberals.”


The word “Liberal” was forcibly stolen and corrupted
by evil men who intentionally perverted the use and
meaning of the word.

In the long forgotten past, the word “Liberal”
described honorable and principled men who held to a
philosophy of government that advocated Constitutional
Republicanism. Constitutional Republicanism is a type
of government almost unknown to most of the world.
America was originally a Constitutional Republic.  A
Constitutional Republic defined is characterized by a
very small government with limits on its powers of
taxation and whose other powers are strictly limited
by rigorously enforced Constitutional edicts.

But modern Liberals are nothing more and nothing less
than Communists, Socialists and Dictators. Modern
Liberals promote, advocate and enforce the
centralization of all political power into an all
powerful central government. The honorable old
Liberals of the 19th century must be spinning in their
graves over the outrageous corruption and modern use
of the word “Liberal.”

Following are 60 Truisms concerning Liberals:

1. At the most basic level, the Liberal is anti-God.
He is an intellectually dishonest, unprincipled,
mentally immature, spoiled child who is forever in
search of a world without moral consequence. That is
why the Liberal makes “The State” his god. The Liberal
worships THE STATE. The Liberal attempts to use his
god (government) to eliminate all moral consequences
for immoral behaviour. In the name of “Justice,” the
Liberal also pretends to make his god (The State)
level all peoples so that the wise or the beautiful
or the genius will have no advantage over the unwise,
the ugly and the simpleton in the marketplace. The
Liberal calls this tyrannical State of Government,
UTOPIA.

2. The Liberal vainly imagines that freedom from moral
consequence can be secured by a collectivist,
totalitarian state.

3. Liberals use moralistic platitudes and catchy
phrases like social justice and “The Brotherhood of
Man” to appeal to the naive masses who are duped into
believing that the ultimate goals of Liberals are
genuinely benign and beneficient. However at the root,
like the Prince in Machiavelli’s greatest work, the
single moral principle that Liberals adhere to is the
continual accumulation and centralization of all
power.

4. The ideologies of Liberals must inevitably end in
world-wide totalitarianism.

5. All non-sexual individual freedoms are despised by
the Liberal. Why? Because those kinds of individual
freedoms, (such as economic self-reliance) demand
moral responsibility.

6. The fundamental power struggle of Liberals may be
classified as the individual versus the collective.
The Liberal supports the collective in every contest
against the individual. The individual must be
relieved of all power in favor of the collective. All
power must be centralized.

7. Liberals hate Individualism because it demands
moral responsibility. Liberals support collectivism
because they hope to eliminate the need for moral
responsibility.

8. The U.S. Constitution and specifically the support
for rugged individualism which is evident in the Bill
of Rights, is the enemy of the Liberal.

9. The Liberal despises the United States because it
is the premier protector and promoter of individualism
in the world.

10. In the mind of a Liberal, all institutions and
concerns - schools, environment, courts, etc. - serve
no relevant purpose other than the promotion of
collectivism.

11. In the depraved thought processes of a Liberal,
abortion becomes necessary to guarantee sexual freedom
and eliminate moral consequence.

12. The basis of traditional healthy psychology is to
help individuals take personal responsibility for the
choices they have made and to help them make better
choices in the future. The basis of modern psychology
as defined by the Liberals who are members of the
self-deluded, isolated and ill-educated Professorial
Class living in their government financed socialist
Ivory Towers, is the elimination of moral
responsibility.

13. In order to advance their agenda, Liberals create
an atmosphere of crisis and fear that is used to
justify their collectivist oppression. Liberals love
to go to war against other nations for it is during
times of war that they are most successful in getting
the most oppressive legislation passed in Congress.
Check your history books and you will see that every
major war America has fought in the last 100 years was
started by a Liberal or a statist who philosophically
supported centralized government.

14. Any religion or religious person who 

Re: [CTRL] A modest proposal

2001-05-15 Thread Nessie

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Can you provide location of one of these pristine areas?  


Alas.

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Re: [CTRL] FoxNews: Repubs Watch as California's Dem 'Titanic' Sinks inEnergy...

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In a message dated 5/15/01 11:31:45 AM Mountain Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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 Isn't that the general idea?  The Republicans have been trashing
California for the last six or seven years.  They hate California being so
heavily Democrat, and they are making sure to punish the state as much as
they possibly can.  That's just the kind of vindictive measures that
repressive political groups use.  You'll notice that the good old boys in
Texas are making a packet.  Prudy 

Seems to me this just may be a very good example of Democratic control over
the government.  Because the Democrats were so involved with supposed social
problems of the minorities they were too busy to build more electric
generating plants ... probably figuring that the rest of the country would
bail them out if conditions became undesirable.

 I lived in Santa Clara for four months last year and I know from personal
experience that they definitely collect enough taxes to keep the
infrastructure in good shape (high sales tax and high State income tax).  Now
we can see if the Democrats can dig themselves out of the hole they've dug on
their own, or if they will have to force the rest of the country to fill the
gap with their dollars instead of California standing on it's own two feet.
You would think they would be more forward looking and would have had
zipperboy bail them out before he left office.  You would also think they
would take advantage of the very low interest rates and start building what
they need right now instead of just taking about how to handle their
manufactured crisis.

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[CTRL] Bill would expand ranks of federal law officers

2001-05-15 Thread radman

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Bill would expand ranks of federal law officers

By Tanya N. Ballard

Legislation that would grant official federal law enforcement officer
status to certain employees at the IRS, the Customs Service, the
Immigration and Naturalization Service and other agencies is back before
Congress.

Under a bill reintroduced Monday by Rep. Bob Filner, D-Calif., federal
employees would gain the right to retire with full benefits at age 50
after 20 years of service. The bill has not yet been assigned a number.

Federal employees who daily lay their lives on the line to protect the
American people should be treated comparably, whether they work for the
[Veterans Affairs Department] or the FBI, said Bobby Harnage, president
of the American Federation of Government Employees.

Filner introduced similar bills in the 106th and 105th Congresses, and
several other lawmakers championed the legislation at least as far back
as 1988.

According to Filner, agencies where officers do not have law enforcement
officer status regularly lose trained, seasoned professionals to other
law enforcement agencies.

Colleen Kelley, president of the National Treasury Employees Union,
called the legislation wise public policy.

Every day, the men and women who hold these jobs face enormous physical
challenges and constant emotional stress, Kelley said.

Click here for related stories and links:
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Re: [CTRL] POLL: Do you agree with the court's decision? - The U.S. Supreme ...

2001-05-15 Thread Bob Stokes

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In a message dated 5/15/01 10:55:14 AM Mountain Daylight Time,
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 The U.S. Supreme Court unanimously ruled that California cannabis clubs may
 not legally distribute marijuana as a medical necessity. Do you agree with
 the court's decision? 

I think most people on this list would agree that this is a right that should
be reserved to the individual State or the people.  The Federal government
should not have any say in this matter.  To deny people a drug that will
help them get through an illness is cruel and unusual punishment.

The question should be ~ Who thinks the Supreme Court was correct in their
decision and what do they use as a basis for their opinion.

Regards,
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Re: [CTRL] How the FBI lost the evidence

2001-05-15 Thread Bob Stokes

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 The FBI is covering something up.  They never worried about losing
documentation in the past.  They are looking for something or trying to keep
others from looking for something.  They don't care about McVeigh or the rest
of us either for that matter.  Prudy 

You've got that right; they don't care about anyone but themselves.  What are
they hiding.  If they are creating a dog and pony show to distact the public
... what do they have up their sleeves, what is going on behind the scenes,
must be something bigger than OKC.

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Re: [CTRL] How the FBI lost the evidence

2001-05-15 Thread Bill Howard

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In a message dated 5/15/01 11:19:08 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 The FBI is covering something up.  They never worried about losing
documentation in the past.  They are looking for something or trying to keep
others from looking for something.  They don't care about McVeigh or the rest
of us either for that matter.  Prudy 

Sounds reasonable.

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[CTRL] OKC BOMBING FALLOUT: Freeh 'a criminal'?

2001-05-15 Thread radman

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OKC BOMBING FALLOUT

Freeh 'a criminal'?

Klayman, Fitton, Limbaugh, Chastain blast FBI for withholding evidence

http://wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=22814

By Toby Westerman

Recently resigned FBI Director Louis Freeh is a criminal who has committed
acts of gross negligence and recklessness during his eight years as head
of the agency, according to Larry Klayman, Chairman and General Council of
Judicial Watch, a public interest group.

The actions of the FBI in recent years have also called into question the
justifiability of the death penalty, Klayman charges. Referring to the
five-month delay between the recovery of the McVeigh files and their release
to the court, Klayman asserted, when the government starts playing games
like this, one has to start questioning . the death penalty. What about a
similar situation, he asked, with an honest individual where evidence is
being held back?

Klayman's statements were made during Saturday's Judicial Watch radio
broadcast.

Klayman participated in a panel discussion on Freeh and the recent
appearance of more than 3,000 pages of evidence pertinent to the Timothy
McVeigh Oklahoma City bombing investigation.

Tom Fitton, president of Judicial Watch, and Jane Chastain, WorldNetDaily
columnist and talk show host, joined Klayman. David Limbaugh, best-selling
author of Absolute Power, also appeared on an interview segment.

Klayman condemned the FBI's mishandling of the errant files; the agency took
months to release the documents to both the defense and prosecution in the
McVeigh case. Reports state that the files, made public May 10, had been
rediscovered as early as December 2000.

There's no way accidents like this happen, Klayman asserted, describing as
completely despicable Freeh's May 1 announcement of his resignation as
head of the FBI without informing President Bush of the existence of the
still-undisclosed McVeigh files.

The way Freeh sits on things and lies to the president of the United States
by not bringing it to his attention is, in my view, criminal, Klayman
stated.

Referring to the newly released McVeigh files, Bush stated that the subject
never came up during the meeting at which Freeh announced his resignation
as FBI Director.

Why did it take the FBI five months to alert the court . that the documents
existed? Fitton demanded.

Limbaugh shed further light on the FBI's activities surrounding the siege of
the Branch Davidian sect in 1993, which cost the deaths of 80 men, women and
children.

According to Limbaugh, Davidian leader David Koresh had already claimed a
divine direction to come out before the attack on the sect's compound. The
FBI, however, informed then-Attorney General Janet Reno that Koresh refused
to surrender, said Limbaugh, which then led to the catastrophic attack on
the Branch Davidians.

Limbaugh added that Reno, who had originally accepted responsibility for the
ensuing tragedy, later retracted her statement, and has recently denied that
she was misinformed by the FBI.

Referring to Reno's statements regarding her participation in the attack,
Limbaugh questioned whether she didn't care, was complicit in the
tragedy, or is a complete imbecile.

Chastain, who lived in Florida for nine years, commented on Reno's earlier
record in the role of chief prosecutor in Dade County, Fla., as
  deplorable, and that she had a reputation of permitting serious
offenders to cop a plea and get off the hook.

During her time as prosecutor in Florida, Reno's record was next to last of
the worst of all Florida prosecutors, Chastain added -- and they make her
the nation's top cop.
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focuses on current events in the Commonwealth of Independent States and the
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[CTRL] Saving Private ...

2001-05-15 Thread Taercel

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}}Begin
The Drug War Goes Private
Filed May 10, 2001
When long-time drug warriors like Congressmen Dan Burton and Mark Souder start
blasting American anti-drug efforts in Latin America, you know that something is
rotten in Peru. And Colombia. And Washington.

That's exactly what happened last week when representatives of the State Department,
the DEA, U.S. Customs and the drug czar's office appeared in front of the House
Committee on Government Reform to discuss the United States' role in the midair
murder of an American missionary and her infant daughter last month in Peru.

Well, not exactly ``discuss.'' More like equivocate and pass-the-buck. Just another
day on the hill for drug warriors. It's as if these apparatchiks had all morphed
into a famous character from that other war: Sgt. Schultz from ``Hogan's Heroes.''
They knew ``noth-ing!'' How many planes have been shot down over the years? They
didn't know. Who had ultimate authority over the CIA contractors who fingered the
plane? Nobody could say. How ma
ny different contractors are being used in the drug war down there? Dunno.

Their continual stonewalling made Burton pricklier than that mean woman on ``The 
Weakest Link.'' ``When Americans are killed, why does it take so long to get an 
explanation?'' fumed Burton. ``It seems like we're pulling t
eeth to get it.'' Souder was equally apoplectic: ``We're conservative Republicans who 
have carried the ball for the drug war, but you're making it very difficult for us.''

But at least these guys showed up. The CIA, the key U.S. player in the Peruvian 
shoot-down, didn't even bother.

So why all the secrecy and obfuscation? Just what is it they're trying to hide?

Perhaps it's the fact that our government is funding a war being conducted by hundreds 
of American citizens working for private security companies, with innocuous sounding 
names like DynCorp, AirScan and Military Professi
onal Resources Inc.

It's a classic end run. When Congress agreed to fund last year's $1.3 billion aid 
package to Colombia, the approval came with strict limitations on the number of 
American military personnel that could be deployed in the r
egion (500) and a prohibition on those troops engaging in combat-related tasks. But 
these private military contractors -- mostly made up of one-time U.S. soldiers and 
paid for with our tax dollars -- don't have to abide b
y any such rules.

It's hard to know exactly how much these corporate soldiers are costing us since many 
of them are being funded out of the CIA's so-called ``black budget'' -- but the dollar 
figure is estimated to be over one billion.

DynCorp alone is being paid $600 million by the State Department to help in drug 
eradication and interdiction. But in February, DynCorp pilots ended up in a firefight 
with left-wing guerrillas. Yet the U.S. government is
still claiming that we're not being dragged into Colombia's civil war.

``American taxpayers,'' says Rep. Jan Schakowsky, D-Ill., a vocal critic of the 
private armies, ``already pay $300 billion a year to fund the world's most powerful 
military. Why should they have to pay a second time in or
der to privatize our operations?'' Schakowsky has recently introduced legislation that 
would ban the government from using these private companies to help fight the drug war.

``Power exercised in secret,'' said former U.S. Sen. William Proxmire, ``especially 
under the cloak of national security, is doubly dangerous.'' Now the cloak is the drug 
war, but the secrecy and lack of accountability ar
e just as dangerous.

Outsourcing the war makes it possible to proceed with a policy without having to 
defend it in public -- or having to deal with those annoying body bags and flag-draped 
coffins. As Myles Frechette, the former U.S. ambassad
or to Colombia put it: ``It's very handy to have an outfit not part of the U.S. armed 
forces, obviously. If somebody gets killed or whatever, you can say they're not a 
member of the armed forces.''

It's a political twist on the old philosophical conundrum: If Americans are blown to 
pieces in a South American forest but no one hears about it, did they really die? And 
if they did, would it lead to a privatized Gulf of
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If, as it's been said, information is the WD-40 of democracy, then suppression of 
information is the surest way to desiccate the lubricant that keeps the system running.

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Re: [CTRL] Corrected - POLL: Do you agree with the court's decision? - The U.S. Supreme Court unanimously ruled that California cannabis clubs may not legally distribute marijuana as a medical necessity.

2001-05-15 Thread c. watson

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The curt is right.

Lineup every pot smoker in the U.S., all 50 million of them, and gun them
down like the dogs they are. Jesus will be proud.

It's all over folks.

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[CTRL] Black Gold Hot Gold (Pt.2)

2001-05-15 Thread William Shannon


http://www.geocities.com/brojongazette/frontpage/bj050701-2.html


BLACK GOLD HOT GOLD 
The Rise of Fascism in the American Energy Business 
(Pre-publication online preview excerpt)
(CHAPTER TWO) 



-- by Marshall Douglas Smith

 Following World War II, the British-Persian Oil Company still controlled 
the vast oil fields in Iran. The Persians had already shown they were aligned 
with Adolf Hitler's fascist "Aryan Race" movement and were fully expecting 
German General Rommel to come rushing across Africa and "free" them from the 
British. They showed this by even changing the name of their country from 
Persia to "Aryan," or "Iran" in the Farsi language. But the Germans failed to 
arrive. 

 After the war, British control of the Persian oilfields was soon easily 
eliminated. In 1954 Kermit Roosevelt, nephew of Franklin, led an American CIA 
coup to wrest control of Iran and placed in power the American-backed Shah of 
Iran. The Shah drove out the British. Standard Oil now had control of the 
British-Persian petroleum fields. 

 But what of the still vaster oil fields in southern Russia? Also in 
1954, with negotiations made through Occidental Petroleum's Armand Hammer, a 
deal was made with Russian dictator Joseph Stalin. The arrangement was to buy 
his oil, actually steal it from the Russian people, and sell it on the world 
market at a much higher price than Stalin could get by selling it himself. 
Stalin was no oil marketer. Few countries would be willing to deal with or 
buy oil from Stalin, thus there was almost no market for the Russian oil. 

 The simple but devious method was to build two large pipelines, which 
still exist today, going from the Russian oil fields down along both sides of 
the Caspian Sea and then terminate in the old British-Persian oil fields in 
Iran, which by then were controlled by Standard Oil. Was Russia selling oil 
to oil-rich Iran? Or Iran selling to oil-rich Russia? There would seem no 
logical reason for building those two huge pipe lines simply going from one 
oil field to another. 

 For over 45 years, Russia has been sneaking its oil out through those 
pipe lines and selling its oil on the world market at the "West Texas Crude" 
price by calling it Iranian oil. Its what most Americans have been putting in 
their cars for almost 50 years. This is made evident by the fact that most 
large American oil refineries which produce gasoline from crude oil are 
located at large sea ports like San Francisco, Houston or Los Angeles, and 
not near any of the large American oil fields. Oil is mostly shipped in oil 
tankers, not explosive flammable gasoline, so those large American 
refinery-ports are only for the import of crude oil, not for the export of 
refined gasoline. Thus there is a simple one-way massive flow of oil from 
Russian fields, through Iran to large super oil tanker ships, to American 
refineries, and then into American cars. 

 Many times, since 1973, whenever the price of gasoline skyrockets, 
American's are told its their own fault, since they are relying on using too 
much expensive foreign oil. When was the last time you went to the gas 
station to fill your tank and were given a choice of pumping either the 
American gas or the expensive foreign gas, and you decided, "Hmm, I think 
I'll buy the foreign gas." It turns out somebody else has already chosen for 
you. Guess who? 

 Standard now had almost complete control of the world market for energy. 
To make this scheme work, both Stalin in Russia and the Shah in Iran had to 
be paid handsomely. But buying off the leaders of dictatorships is easy when 
money is no object. The problem is maintaining the dictators in power, 
especially when the local populace learns their natural resources are being 
stolen. 

 In 1979, when the Standard Oil-backed Shah of Iran was thrown out by his 
own people as a harsh iron-fisted "profiteering" dictator and the nationalist 
Ayatollah took over, the flow of Russian oil through Iran suddenly stopped. 
Other pipelines were constructed through Iraq and Turkey. The Russian oil was 
now called OPEC Arabian-Middle Eastern oil and marketed at the even higher 
"spot market" price. This accounts for the gas shortages and the rise of the 
price of gasoline in 1979. 

 On November 4, 1979 the Iranian “revolutionaries” captured and held 
hostage 65 Americans. The very next day Iran canceled all treaties with the 
US and USSR, which meant the oil flow had been stopped. In response, 
President Carter froze the Iranian “assets” in the US. Why would the US have 
nearly $8 billion in Iranian assets? Were those the regular payments which 
were to be made to the Shah for covering up the Russian oil transfer? Did the 
new Iranian government want the money which was due and payable or else they 
would expose the oil scheme? The lengthy Iran-Iraq war had just started and 
Iran needed the money. 

 Most Americans and historians believe somehow the 

[CTRL] Olson Lies...Hatch Doesn't Care...

2001-05-15 Thread William Shannon
http://washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A26757-2001May14.html




Hatch Rejects Probe of Nominee
Democrats Doubt Testimony by Solicitor General Candidate


By Thomas B. Edsall
Washington Post Staff Writer


Tuesday, May 15, 2001; Page A04

Senate Judiciary Committee Chairman Orrin G. Hatch (R-Utah) yesterday
rejected a Democratic proposal for a bipartisan staff investigation into
allegations that Theodore B. Olson, President Bush's nominee to be solicitor
general, inaccurately played down his role in a controversial magazine
inquiry into the activities of Bill and Hillary Clinton in Arkansas.


"No, we've gone far enough on this," Hatch said, when asked by reporters
whether he would support calling or interviewing witnesses who dispute Olson.
Later, a top Hatch aide quoted him as saying that "any further investigation
appears to be just a dilatory question."


Sen. Patrick J. Leahy (D-Vt.), the ranking committee Democrat, proposed in a
letter to Hatch that the Republican and Democratic investigative staffs
conduct a joint inquiry into Olson's testimony, including extensive
interviewing and examination of documents.


Hatch said that instead of interviewing witnesses, he has suggested to
Democrats that they meet individually with Olson to discuss their concerns.


Last week, Hatch put off action on the Olson nomination, saying there were
"legitimate" questions about his testimony. The Judiciary Committee is
scheduled to take up the Olson nomination again on Thursday.


The committee is evenly split, 9 to 9, between Republicans and Democrats.
Sen. Arlen Specter (R-Pa.) said on "Fox News Sunday" that the allegations
concerning Olson "warrant a look," adding that "being a member of the
committee, I have a duty to take a close look at it." Specter said he expects
Olson ultimately to win approval.


The issue concerns whether Olson was misleading or evasive in his answers
about his involvement in the "Arkansas Project," a $2.4 million investigative
reporting effort conducted by the American Spectator magazine and funded by
foundations under the control of conservative billionaire Richard Mellon
Scaife.


In his April testimony to the Judiciary Committee, Olson said, "I was not
involved in the [Arkansas] project in its origin or its management." In
written answers to additional questions about his involvement in either the
Arkansas Project or the Spectator's reporting on the Clintons, Olson said he
knew about the Spectator's stories and was at social events with reporters
for the magazine, but, "I do not recall giving any advice concerning the
conduct of the project or its origins or management."


Douglas Cox, Olson's law partner at Gibson, Dunn  Crutcher and a spokesman
for Olson, said the dispute over Olson's testimony amounts to "just a word
game." The senior Hatch aide repeated this view, quoting Hatch as saying, "It
comes down to what the definition of the Arkansas Project is."


The Spectator, Cox said, was involved throughout the 1990s in the sustained
pursuit of stories alleging a variety of Clinton-related scandals, and Olson
was fully aware of this general activity. Olson was not, however, aware of a
specific project financed by Scaife until sometime in 1997, Cox said.


Arkansas Project expense reports compiled by the Spectator show payments to
Olson's law firm of $14,341.45 for the period of March through August 1994.
Olson himself was hired in 1994 by the magazine specifically to determine the
potential criminal exposure of the Clintons in light of the magazine's
reporting, sources said. Olson said in his written answers that his legal
services for the Spectator included "legal research," but "were not for the
purpose of conducting or assisting in the conduct of investigations of the
Clintons."


Olson, who joined the magazine's board at the start of 1996, told the
committee that he did not learn of the project until mid-1997, when questions
were raised about the accounting of the money for the project.


Peter Hannaford, who served on the board with Olson, said he recalled the
board getting a routine briefing on the Arkansas Project and its financing
sometime before a meeting held in May 1997.


Staff writer Helen Dewar contributed to this report.




[CTRL] Illicit Nuke Trafficking Doubled In 5 Years

2001-05-15 Thread William Shannon
http://www.guardianunlimited.co.uk/international/story/0,3604,490302,00.html



Leak shows nuclear trafficking doubled

Kirsty Scott
Monday May 14, 2001
The Guardian

The worldwide smuggling of radioactive materials has reportedly doubled in
the last five years, according to a leaked United Nations study, and there
are now thought to be more than 100 terrorist organisations capable of
developing a rudimentary atomic bomb.

The report, drawn up by the UN's terrorism prevention branch and detailed in
the Sunday Herald newspaper, reveals that since 1993 there have been 550
recorded incidents of trafficking of nuclear materials across the globe. Most
of the incidents involved materials such as radioactive scrap metal but one
in 10 is said to have included weapons-grade plutonium or uranium.

The study quotes the head of the UN anti-terrorism unit, Alex Schmid, as
warning that much of the nuclear material in the former Soviet republics is
poorly protected and the risk of some being stolen is growing.

"Time might not be on our side," Mr Schmid is reported as saying. "The amount
of plutonium in the world is increasing. Vigorous efforts need to be made to
keep the nuclear genie in the bottle and out of the hands of terrorists."

Mr Schmid added: "Most of the weapons-usable nuclear materials in the
kilogram range are stored in nearly 400 buildings which are not all guarded
in the way they should be guarded. This quantity of dangerous but potentially
precious materials offers temptation for adventurers and desperados."

The 40-page report, commissioned by the international atomic eneregy agency,
claims that there are 130 terrorist organisations listed by the US department
of state as posing a potential nuclear, chemical or biological threat.

They include 55 ethnic groups, 50 religious groups, 20 left-wing groups and
five right-wing groups. The list includes Osama bin Laden's Al-Qaida in
Afghanistan and the Aum Shinrikyo cult in Japan.

A UN spokeswoman said yesterday that she could not confirm or deny the
existence of the report or its findings.





[CTRL] Unending Tale Of Israeli Atrocities

2001-05-15 Thread William Shannon

http://www.dawn.com/2001/05/14/int1.htm



Unending tale of Israeli atrocities


By Ian Gilmour

LONDON: I was on my way to Khan Yunis, a desperately poor Palestinian refugee
town in the Gaza Strip, when we learned it was under heavy bombardment.
Please, urged my Palestinian guides, could I postpone my visit to the next
day? Although I thought it unlikely I would suffer the same fate as the
four-month-old baby, blown to pieces that morning by the Israeli army, I
agreed.

The next day, seeing houses that had, without any warning, been bulldozed in
the middle of the night by the Israeli army and then talking to their former
inhabitants, now huddled in tents, was a haunting experience.

And Khan Yunis is not untypical. A ruthless colonial war is being waged
throughout the Gaza Strip and the West Bank, the territories occupied by
Israel since 1967. I also happened to be in Beit Jalla the previous day, when
the Israelis reoccupied and demolished a section of this Christian suburb of
Bethlehem. The Israeli army of occupation has the overwhelming superiority of
a 19th century imperial power. "We have got the Maxim Gun," sang Hilaire
Belloc, "and they have not." The modern equivalent of the Maxim gun for
mowing down "the natives" is the American-made Apache helicopter and a
plethora of other hi-tech weaponry.

And since, as Yasser Arafat perhaps wistfully told me, the Palestinians
"don't have helicopter gunships, tanks or gunboats", General Mofaz, the
Israeli commander, is able not only to destroy buildings and kill Palestinian
fighters and unarmed civilians in any quantities he wants, but also to impose
collective punishments and to make life intolerable for the entire
population.

In addition, on the pretext of security, Mofaz is laying waste some of the
best Palestinian soil. I saw acres and acres of uprooted olive and fruit
trees, some of them in places where there could be no possible security
excuse. Israelis used to boast that they had made the desert bloom; now they
can boast they have turned previously blooming Palestinian land into a
desert.

But why, it may be asked, are "the natives" restive? And is it not their own
fault, for were they not offered a very "generous" deal at Camp David last
autumn? To take the second question first, the claim that Barak made a
generous offer at Camp David has become the reigning orthodoxy. But it is a
myth.

The alleged generosity involved derisory terms on Al Quds and would have kept
most of Israel's major illegal settlements in place, turning the areas
assigned to the Palestinians into a series of mini-Bantustans, and making the
resulting Palestinian state enviable.

For instance, this "state" would have been deprived of almost any water, as
all the West Bank aquifers were to be annexed by Israel. Had Nelson Mandela
accepted such an offer from apartheid South Africa, he would have been
reviled as a traitor. And if Yasser Arafat had accepted the Camp David offer,
he would have been similarly execrated.

Not only did the Palestinians, suffer a public-relations disaster at Camp
David, they helped to unify Israel behind a hardline policy by the way they
talked, understandably, about the right of return for the refugees whom
Israel expelled in 1948. Their return would effectively mean the abolition of
the state of Israel. Yet an Israeli admission that they were ill-treated and
entitled to compensation is perfectly feasible and long overdue.

The answer to the first question is that the natives are restive because they
are fed up with 34 years of brutal occupation. They want the right of
self-determination and they now realize that they have been double-crossed.

Israel's pre-1967 frontiers already give her 78 per cent of Palestinian
territory, which seems quite a lot. The Oslo agreement was meant to establish
an irreversible process whereby Israel exchanged the Palestinian land she had
occupied since 1967 for peace. Instead, Israel has done the opposite. Because
of what the former Israeli Minister, Shulamit Aloni, has called Israel's
"unrestrained greed", it has, since Oslo, doubled the number of illegal
settlers.

Ariel Sharon continually denounces Palestinian "terrorism" and "violence",
forgetting, no doubt, that his own record of terrorism and violence is, as
the police used to say, as long as your arm. To take just its high points. In
1953, he and his subordinates bravely massacred 69 Jordanian villagers,
including 46 women and children. In 1982, he engineered the Israeli invasion
of Lebanon and killed hundreds of civilians by his bombing of Beirut.

Finally, there were the massacres of Sabra and Shatila, for which an Israeli
commission found Sharon "remiss in his duties". The Cabinet voted to remove
him from his ministry by a vote of 16 to one (himself). Since then, Sharon
has consistently favoured the violent option and always tried to block any
progress towards peace.

Many Israelis take a different attitude to Palestinian violence in the
occupied territories. 

[CTRL] SNET: SAD, BUT TRUE (fwd)

2001-05-15 Thread William Bacon



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Date: 5/14/01 11:04:48 PM Central Daylight Time
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I sat, as did millions of other Americans, and watched as our Government
underwent a peaceful transition of power.
I was proud as Mr. Bush took his oath of office.
I was sad as I watched Mr. Clinton board Air Force One for the
final time.
It may surprise you that this made me sad. But, watching this part
of the day's festivities, I saw 21 U.S. Marines, in full dress, with
rifles, fire a 21 gun salute to the outgoing president.
It was then that I realized how far America's military had deteriorated.

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I sat, as did millions of other Americans, and watched as our Government
underwent a peaceful transition of power.
I was proud as Mr. Bush took his oath of office.
I was sad as I watched Mr. Clinton board Air Force One for the
final time.
It may surprise you that this made me sad.  But, watching this part
of the day's festivities, I saw 21 U.S. Marines, in full dress, with
rifles, fire a 21 gun salute to the outgoing president.
It was then that I realized how far America's military had deteriorated.

Every last one of them missed.




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Re: [CTRL] Corrected - POLL: Do you agree with the court's decision? - The U.S. Supreme Court unanimously ruled that California cannabis clubs may not legally distribute marijuana as a medical necessity.

2001-05-15 Thread Bill Howard

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In a message dated 5/15/01 2:01:21 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 Lineup every pot smoker in the U.S., all 50 million of them, and gun them

down like the dogs they are. Jesus will be proud. 

On the plus side, they won't be engaging in any illegal activity again, ever.
And they won't be bring fleas into the house again, ever.

On the negative side, St. Peter will have one heck of bottleneck to sort out
at the front gate.

Bill H

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[CTRL] Stirring the Stew

2001-05-15 Thread Taercel

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From www.wsws.org
WSWS : News
 Analysis : Europe : Ireland
Fresh revelations on secret British terror organisation in Northern Ireland
By Robert Stevens
15 May 2001
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During the past three weeks, the Guardian newspaper has run several articles on the
Force Research Unit (FRU), an undercover security operation financed and run by the
British state in Northern Ireland for more than two decades.
The articles detail how this terror network—involving up to 100 soldiers and double
agents— organised a series of covert intelligence and military operations and
authorised their agents to carry out numerous illegal activities including bomb
making, murder, and the shooting of Royal Ulster Constabulary (RUC) officers.
Through interviews with alleged former members of the FRU, the Guardian reports that
the FRU was in active operation until the British and Irish governments signed the
Northern Ireland Agreement three years ago. Afterwards ex-FRU members complain they
were discarded by the British secret services and left without any protection.
The Ministry of Defence (MoD) and successive British governments have never
officially acknowledged the existence of the FRU network and have remained silent on
these latest allegations. But the Guardian articles appear at a time when the
history and operation of the FRU are coming under closer scrutiny. On April 25, the
MoD obtained a High Court order preventing Ulster Television from showing an
incriminating documentary produced by the Insight programme. In the documentary an
ex-soldier claims his British Army military chiefs knew he had been an accomplice in
the murder of members of the security forces. At this time the interviewee was a
member of the FRU and working as a British agent in the IRA.
The MoD managed to secure the High Court ruling just four hours before the
documentary was to be broadcast. Rob Morrison, Ulster Television's head of news and
current affairs, said the station would be contesting the ban and would show the
documentary as soon as it was legally able to.
The banned documentary apparently contains an interview with an ex-member of the
Royal Irish Rangers. He is known as “Kevin” in the programme and became an IRA
member on FRU instructions, during which he claims to have taken part in a series of
terrorist bombings in the 1980s and the early 1990s. These included the 1993 bombing
that decimated the town centre in Portadown.
In the documentary Kevin states that his British handlers were aware of these
activities and alleges that during the four years it took him to be accepted into
the IRA, he carried out armed robberies and other activities to gain the
organisation's trust. Kevin says, I had to be an IRA man, not just pretend to be
one. Yes, certain lives were lost. I know a lot of lives were saved, that's all I
can say.
He also said that his period as a British agent in the IRA lasted until the second
IRA ceasefire in 1997. Around this time the IRA discovered he was a British agent
and he began to receive death threats.
Kevin has been questioned by the team led by Metropolitan police chief Sir John
Stevens, which is presently investigating allegations of intelligence and military
collusion between the British security forces and loyalist paramilitary
organisations. The Stevens investigation was initially set up two years ago to
investigate the murder of Belfast solicitor Patrick Finucane, who was murdered at
his home in 1989 in front of his wife and children. It was alleged that the FRU were
responsible for Finucane's death and other killings.
Over the past three years, more information has emerged about the vast intelligence
and military apparatus known as the FRU. Its chain of command reaches up to the
highest echelons of the British state within the armed forces and intelligence
gathering bodies.
In March 1998, the Sunday Telegraph was passed secret documentation that revealed
for the first time the existence of the FRU. The information released by the
Telegraph alleged that the FRU “was complicit in a series of murders carried out by
the Ulster Defence Association (UDA) between 1987 and 1990. The UDA is a fascistic,
loyalist paramilitary organisation.
The Sunday Telegraph documents revealed some information about the organisational
structure of the FRU and stated that it was made up of 50 officers and soldiers who
ran more than 100 agents. The newspaper alleged that the FRU was wound up in 1990
but was then reconstituted and was still in operation at the time of its exposure.
The Sunday Telegraph's article also revealed that Brian Nelson was probably the most
important FRU agent. Nelson became the UDA's main intelligence officer and in that
role was implicated in some in 15 murders, 15 attempted murders and 62 conspiracies
to murder. The Sunday Telegraph documents confirm that as the UDA's primary
intelligence officer Nelson passed on the names, photographs and addresses of
suspected 

[CTRL] Laser Weaponry In Israel?

2001-05-15 Thread William Shannon
http://www.geostrategy-direct.com/geostrategy-direct/



U.S., Israel study mobile laser weapon 

    Israel and the United States have launched a study to explore the 
feasibility of a mobile tactical high-energy laser weapon.

   Israeli and U.S. officials said the study will assess whether there is 
sufficient technology to develop a mobile system as well as areas for 
development and validation tests.

   The study is being conducted by TRW, the prime contractor for the current 
Tactical High-Energy Laser program. A non-mobile THEL system has been 
developed and has intercepted short-range rockets and mortars in tests at the 
White Sands Missile Range in New Mexico. But the system is regarded as too 
bulky for operational use.

    "I can't say this is operational," Defense Ministry director-general Amos 
Yaron said. "But in light of recent successes, this system has a promising 
future. It will, however, take a few years until this will be deployed in the 
field."

   Officials said the mobile THEL feasibility study will last for about a 
year. If the study concludes that a mobile THEL can be produced with 
available technology, such a project could begin next year.

   One prospect being explored is that of an airborne tactical laser system
.
    Officials said TRW would examine whether a tactical laser weapon could be 
reduced to a size that could be installed on a battle vehicle.

   "Another path is to package a laser weapon system that is much like the 
mobile THEL on an airborne platform to extend its operational range and 
effectiveness," a joint report by TRW scientists as well as U.S. and Israeli 
defense officials said.

   The report, submitted to a space conference at Israel's Technion in 
February, was authored by TRW scientists Josef Shwartz and Alvin Schnurr. The 
report's authors also included Gerald Wilson and John Wachs of the U.S. Army 
Space and Missile Defense Command and the Israeli Defense Ministry's Lt. Col. 
Zev Gross and Maj. Ori Raviv of the directorate of defense research and 
development.

   The paper said that so far "no significant engineering effort was expended 
to date in defining these two concepts."

   The U.S. Army hopes to receive significant funding for a mobile system in 
fiscal 2002 in a project estimated at $150 million. Israel could then procure 
up to six mobile THELs.

   The THEL began in 1995 and has so far cost both countries about $200 
million.


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Israel, U.S. developing
airborne tactical laser 

   In the next war, an Israeli attack helicopter might not fire a missile. It 
might beam a high-energy laser.

    Israel and the United States are discussing the prospect of deploying a 
tactical laser system on an airborne platform in a move that could change 
modern warfare.
 
Officials from the two countries have been meeting to discuss the future of 
the Tactical High Energy Laser, or THEL, a joint project meant to destroy 
incoming enemy rockets by a deuterium-flouride laser beam.

   A stationary system has been developed but Israel and the United States 
plan to build a mobile version. The stationary system is regarded as too 
bulky for operational use. Still, in a series of tests last year, the THEL 
destroyed incoming short-range rockets and mortars.

   The THEL began in 1995 and has so far cost both countries about $200 
million. A feasibility study on the mobile THEL has already been launched.

   The deadlines set are tight. The U.S. Army hopes to receive significant 
funding for a mobile system in fiscal 2002 in a project estimated at $150 
million. Israel could then procure up to six mobile THELs.

   The two countries are not only thinking about a laser helicopter. They 
also envision a laser small enough to fit on a battle vehicle or tank.  



[CTRL] U.K. Wanted To Test H-Bomb 1000KM From Auckland.

2001-05-15 Thread William Shannon
http://www.smh.com.au/news/0105/16/world/world8.html



Political H-bomb: how NZ rejected British tests

New Zealand turned down a request from Britain to test its first H-bomb on an
island less than 1,000 kilometres from Auckland, its biggest city, a
historian has revealed.

Mr John Crawford, the New Zealand Defence Force official historian, said
British Prime Minister Anthony Eden approached his counterpart Sid Holland in
May 1955 for permission to explode a device in the atmosphere over the
sub-tropical Kermadec Islands.

"The existing sites in Australia, used for atomic tests, could not be used
because the Government of Sir Robert Menzies had ruled out the testing of
thermonuclear weapons on or near the Australian mainland," he said.

Mr Crawford, who heads a Defence Ministry inquiry into a claim that five New
Zealand officers were guinea pigs in atomic tests in Australia, stumbled on
the story during earlier research.

Holland was "rather disturbed" by the proposal, despite Eden's insistence
that wind patterns on the islands, north-east of the New Zealand mainland,
rendered the site "completely safe".

He consulted scientist Ernest Marsden who told him that, following
unfavourable public reaction to a 1954 plan to explode an H-bomb in
Antarctica, there was likely to be a "howl" of protest over using the
Kermadec Islands.

In July 1955 Holland told Sir Geoffrey Scoones, the British High
Commissioner, that the use of the Kermadecs would be a "political H-bomb". No
nuclear testing was ever carried out on New Zealand territory.

Wellington and Canberra have called for details of the experiments after
claims the British used servicemen as guinea pigs to help monitor the effects
of nuclear fallout on combat troops.

Two Kiwi veterans of Britain's nuclear tests in the 1950s recalled yesterday
being ordered to walk and crawl through an Australian desert shortly after
authorities set off a nuclear bomb there.


The Telegraph, London; New Zealand Press Association





[CTRL] modest proposal #2

2001-05-15 Thread William Bacon

-Caveat Lector-

Hello!
Hello all of you Watermelon Environmental Group members (WEGers for short)
who live in NEw England! I have the perfect state for your environmentaly
friendly community which you will persuade people to abandon the freedom
and liberty (well what's left of it) and voluntararily submit to marxism
lenninism! It's the state of Vermont! The state of vermont is already well
onthe road to marxism lenninism. Why your representative in COngress is a
self described socialist despite the fact he has a more conservative
voting record than most members in the Democrat party and I might add the
republican party too.
   You WEGers are also lucky in that you will be able to attract a lot of
homosexual people because homosexual marriage is almost legal in
vermont.Your biggest challenge of course is how will you WEGers survive
the very cold winters in an environmentally friendly manner? You of course
will not want to cut down trees for fires( and besides the tree hugger
contigent of the WEGers will not let you cut down any tree! MAybe you can
offer a compromise... Why not assign one tree to each tree hugger to hug
tot heir hearts content?).
Well let's see, your caves will have to be deeper than than the ones
in Florida,I suppose you will put up windmills to supply any electricty
but be careful! Be sure they are made outside the UNited States! Remember
your mission in life is to destroy the economy of the United States please
don't put any Americans to Work!
Then there is the problem of clothes! What will you wear that satisfies
the fascist PETA??? Well that thats another problem the puiltbouro
solve.Again do you think you could mind your own business and leave people
like me alone while I see nuclear power plants, nuclear fuel re-processing
plants put in operation, The titanic oil reserves of Alaska, off shore
Alaska, off shore california, adequate highway transportion projects
built, adequate oil refienery capacity built, GAsoline at 50 cents a
gallon? And imagine much more freedom and liberty for the people you left
behind!!  Horrors! That would would be horror show for marxist/lennists
like you People with more freedom ie restore the constitution
to our government!

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[CTRL] Militia groups say McVeigh case is proof of US plot

2001-05-15 Thread radman

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Militia groups say McVeigh case is proof of US plot

By Tatsha Robertson, Globe Staff,
Boston Globe
5/14/2001

HARRISON, Mich. - While he sits in his trailer in the backwoods of central
Michigan, in an area so quiet you can hear the mosquitoes buzzing, Anthony
Liuzzo, a state militia leader, says he hasn't been so disconnected from
the outside world after all.

''I knew they were going to do something, didn't know what they would do.
Then they come out with this,'' he said of the federal government.

In the deeply suspicious culture of the antigovernment, or ''Patriot,''
movement, where a plot by the government to control the masses seems to
lurk around every corner, last week's turn of events that led to the
postponing of Timothy McVeigh's Wednesday execution has spawned one
conspiracy theory after another.

Some say the Justice Department's acknowledgment that the FBI did not turn
over several thousand pages of documents to McVeigh's defense lawyers has
only confirmed their fears of an omnipotent government, vindicated them in
their convictions, and breathed new life into what specialists have been
calling a dying right-wing movement.

''On Friday, our telephone lit up like a Christmas tree,'' said John
Trochmann, cofounder of the Militia of Montana.

''Would `I told you so?' be too harsh to say?'' he asked.

Trochmann said he received nearly 100 phone calls from people who say they
are now even more wary of the government and want to join the Militia of
Montana. Web site chatrooms have been swamped with new theories: Some say
the stayed execution only proves that the government really didn't want to
kill McVeigh, who is seen by some in the antigovernment movement as an
''Oswald,'' or government agent.

Others say that McVeigh, who was loosely connected to militias in Michigan,
was probably brainwashed into thinking he caused the bombing of the Alfred
P. Murrah Federal Building in Oklahoma City, which killed 168 people. Some
wonder whether the government secretly helped bomb the building to make it
easier to pass antigun legislation and eventually create a ''one world''
government.

''They will find a way to read something into it,'' said James Corcoran, an
associate professor of communications at Simmons College and author of two
books on militias and the Patriot movement. ''It's now coming out [among
these groups] that McVeigh is an agent for the FBI and they don't want to
kill him. And then you have the other side who feel it [the FBI's
withholding of documents] is one more example of how the government
railroads people, slam-dunks you, and there is nothing you can do about it.''

In recent weeks, Amnesty International and other rights groups warned that
the execution will send a negative message to Americans and possibly turn
one of the nation's most hated criminals into a martyr among right-wing
groups. But even before Friday's stay of execution, leaders in the movement
said they perceived McVeigh as a fool used by the government, rather than a
hero.

''Come on,'' said Liuzzo, 45, as he took a drag from a cigarette last week.
''McVeigh is just a patsy. He might in his own mind think he blew up that
building, probably had something to do with it. But there are just too many
things that don't add up.''

People point to McVeigh's capture as proof that he was not the bomber.
''Here is the clincher,'' said Trochmann. ''If it was really McVeigh
zipping down the highway in his truck with no plates, then stopped by a
trooper ... he would have known he killed a number of people. Tell me, what
would it have meant to kill one more?'' he said. ''It makes no sense.''

As the date for the execution neared, some predicted the government would
find an excuse to stop it. While Friday's developments cemented the image
some people had of McVeigh, it also lent a little credence to the
conspiracy theories to which McVeigh and others subscribe, Corcoran said.
''People are looking and saying, `Hey, these people are not so wacko,'''
said Liuzzo, who is the leader of the Michigan Militia Corps of Wolverines.
''This incident, I hope it sparks a brush fire in people's minds. I hope it
makes them say `wait a minute.'''

At the height of the militia movement in the mid-1990s, right-wing activism
thrived. The hardscrabble farmlands of Michigan, where proud families were
losing their farms during bad economic times in the 1970s and 1980s, became
a hotbed of activity for antigovernment activism.

For a while, McVeigh lived in rural Decker, Mich., with his convicted
co-conspirator, Terry Nichols. Nichols's brother, James Nichols, who was
contacted by telephone, said the three were not part of the militia
movement, but never trusted the government. Others say the Nichols brothers
and McVeigh were too radical for the local militia.

According to a new book, ''American Terrorist: Timothy McVeigh and the
Oklahoma City Bombing,'' by Lou Michel and Dan Herbeck, McVeigh found
militias to be too extreme despite his 

[CTRL] What the U.N.'s latest insult to U.S. means

2001-05-15 Thread Bill Richer

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STRATFOR GLOBAL INTELLIGENCE UPDATE
Human rights and geopolitics
What the U.N.'s latest insult to U.S. means

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WorldNetDaily publishes daily updates on international affairs provided by 
the respected private research and analysis firm. Look for fresh updates each 
afternoon, Monday through Friday. In addition, WorldNetDaily invites you to 
consider STRATFOR membership, entitling you to a wealth of international 
intelligence reports usually available only to top executives, scholars, 
academic institutions and press agencies. 

© 2001 WorldNetDaily.com 

Because of its own human rights record, the U.S. government was overconfident 
in its ability to win routine re-election to the United Nations Human Rights 
Commission in a secret ballot. 

According to the commission's internal rules, the United States and three 
other countries -- France, Sweden and Austria -- were competing for three 
seats on the Western European and Others sub-group. But when the results 
were announced May 3, France (52 votes), Austria (41 votes) and Sweden (32 
votes) had won, and the United States, with only 29 votes, unceremoniously 
was thrown off the commission Eleanor Roosevelt first chaired in 1947. 

Getting bounced from the panel -- current members of which include such human 
rights stalwarts as China, Cuba and Libya -- struck the Bush administration, 
Congress and most Americans who were paying attention as outrageously unfair. 
As outrageous was the obvious pleasure putative allies like the French were 
taking at America's rejection. In response, the U.S. House of Representatives 
a week later approved by a 252-165 vote an amendment to the State 
Department's authorization bill that would withhold $244 million in U.N. 
funding unless the United States is restored to the human rights commission 
next year. 

It is tempting to dismiss this incident as of little importance in the arena 
of international relations, says STRATFOR, the Global intelligence company. 
But the vote actually was of momentous political import both for the United 
States and the growing number of nations that resent U.S. political and 
military hegemony a decade after the end of the Cold War. The rejection is 
not significant in moral terms but instead reflects one symptom of a critical 
process now under way in the international system: the search for 
geopolitical equilibrium. 

STRATFOR has argued for several years that the international system has been 
in a state of serious imbalance ever since the United States emerged as the 
clear victor of the Cold War and that the world political system inevitably 
would tend toward reasserting equilibrium by challenging U.S. power and 
influence. 

For a long time after the collapse of the Soviet Union and its communist 
system, the United States enjoyed its status as the only superpower. Girded 
by the most robust economy in the world, the United States faced a potential 
opposition that was fragmented and incapable of counterbalancing U.S. 
military and economic power: The Soviet Union was shattered. China, caught up 
in its own frenzied economic development, had a heavy trade dependence on the 
United States. The Europeans traditionally were used to viewing themselves as 
America's junior partners and were themselves absorbed in internal affairs, 
from creating the European Union to integrating Eastern Europe into the 
European system. 

Those factors resulted in the United States having a free hand in shaping 
global policy for most of the 1990s. While tending to shape the international 
system to suit its own interests, a built-in paradox helped lead to the human 
rights commission election: The most powerful nation in the world was, at 
root, indifferent to what happened in the world. 

The United States could not help but affect world events. But the U.S. 
government, in fact, was relatively indifferent to the consequences of its 
actions. In many cases, U.S. interventions overseas have had less to do with 
any overarching American strategic interest in the world and instead have 
stemmed from domestic political considerations. During his eight years in 
power, former President Clinton looked at the international system through 
the prism of domestic politics. 

To our allies and adversaries alike, this approach made the United States 
appear fundamentally unpredictable and unreliable from the standpoint of the 
international system. To anticipate and plan for the effects of U.S. actions 
overseas, other governments required an intimate understanding of American 
domestic politics -- something only a handful of governments can claim to 
possess. 

Another factor that heightened the growing anxiety and resentment overseas 
was that during a 

[CTRL] You May Be an Anarchist - And Not Even Know It

2001-05-15 Thread radman

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May 15, 2001

You May Be an Anarchist -And Not Even Know It

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By Derrick Jensen, The Sun

After the anti-corporate globalization protests in Seattle took the world
by surprise a year and a half ago, a number of mainstream journalists
looked to a soft-spoken anarchist theorist from Eugene, Oregon, for answers.
Indeed, John Zerzan, whose ideas were very influential with some of the
young protesters, can now credibly claim the decidedly dubious honor of
being America's most famous anarchist. All the attention has done nothing
to soften Zerzan's view that modern society has subjugated the populace to
the point that it no longer even sees the bars of its cage. In this
interview, the 57-year-old radical explores the roots of domination, the
subtle coercion of the clock, and his hope for a future without progress.

Now that the mainstream media have discovered anarchism, there seems to be
more and more confusion
about what it means. How do you define it?

I would say anarchism is the attempt to eradicate all forms of domination.
This includes not only such obvious forms as the nation-state, with its
routine use of violence and the force of law, and the corporation, with its
institutionalized irresponsibility, but also such internalized forms as
patriarchy, racism, homophobia. Beyond that, anarchism is the attempt to
look even into those parts of our everyday lives we accept as givens, as
parts of the universe, to see how they, too, dominate us or facilitate our
domination of
others.

But has a condition ever existed in which relations have not been based on
domination?

That was the human condition for at least 99 percent of our existence as a
species, from before the emergence of Homo sapiens, at least a couple of
million years ago, until perhaps only 10,000 years ago,
with the emergence of first agriculture and then civilization.
Since that time we have worked very hard to convince ourselves that no such
condition ever existed, because if no such condition ever existed, it's
futile to work toward it now. We may as well then accept the
repression and subjugation that define our way of living as necessary
antidotes to evil human nature. After
all, according to this line of thought, our pre-civilized existence of
deprivation, brutality, and ignorance made authority a benevolent gift that
rescued us from savagery.
Think about the images that come to mind when you mention the labels cave
man or Neanderthal. Those images are implanted and then invoked to
remind us where we would be without religion, government, and toil, and are
probably the biggest ideological justifications for the whole van of
civilization, armies, religion, law, the state.
The problem with those images, of course, is that they are entirely
wrong.  There has been a potent revolution in the fields of anthropology
and archaeology over the past 20 years, and increasingly people are coming
to understand that life before agriculture and domestication, in which by
domesticating others we domesticated ourselves, was in fact largely one of
leisure, intimacy with nature, sensual wisdom, sexual equality, and health.

How do we know this?

In part through observing modern foraging peoples, what few we've not yet
eliminated, and watching their egalitarian ways disappear under the
pressures of habitat destruction and oftentimes direct coercion or
murder.  Also, at the other end of the time scale, through interpreting
archaeological digs.  An example of this has to do with the sharing that is
now understood to be a keynote trait of non-domesticated people. If you
were to study hearth sites of ancient peoples, and to find that one fire
site has the remains of all the goodies, while other sites have very few,
then that site would probably be the chief's. But if time after time you
see that all the sites have about the same amount of stuff, what begins to
emerge is a picture of a people whose way of life is based on sharing. And
that's what is consistently found in preneolithic sites. A third way of
knowing is based on the accounts of early European explorers, who again and
again spoke of the generosity and gentleness of the peoples they
encountered. This is true all across the globe.

How do you respond to people who say this is all just nutty Rousseauvian
noble savage nonsense?

I respectfully suggest they read more within the field. This isn't
anarchist theory. It's mainstream anthropology and archaeology. There are
disagreements about some of the details, but not about the general structure.

If things were so great before, why did agriculture begin?

That's a very difficult question, because for so many hundreds of thousands
of years there was very little change. That's long been a source of
frustration to scholars in anthropology and archaeology: How could there
have been almost zero change for 

[CTRL] Senators Criticize FBI

2001-05-15 Thread Bill Richer

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Tuesday May 15 3:10 PM ET
Senators Criticize FBI



By CAROLYN SKORNECK, Associated Press Writer

WASHINGTON (AP) - The FBI (news - web sites) has had ``too many failures, too
many blunders'' of late - including its failure to turn over thousands of
documents to Timothy McVeigh (news - web sites)'s attorneys - and that is
undermining the confidence of the American people, the Senate Intelligence
Committee chairman said Tuesday.

``Any kind of failure at the FBI, anything that happens at the FBI that calls
into question something they did or failed to do leads to a lot of mistrust
with the American people,'' Sen. Richard Shelby (news - bio - voting record),
R-Ala., said after his committee met privately with FBI Director Louis Freeh.

Freeh told the senators that information in the newly found documents ``won't
have any bearing on the case,'' Shelby said. Reflecting a wariness of such
pronouncements, the senator added, ``We'll have to wait and see.''

``It's something that should not have happened, and it shows, probably, a
lack of diligence somewhere in the FBI,'' Shelby said. As the bureau's
director, Freeh is responsible, Shelby said, but he said others in the FBI
who failed to meet deadlines or follow orders ``ought to be brought to task.''

Freeh announced May 1 - a week before the FBI revealed the McVeigh documents
- that he would retire in June.

Sen. Orrin Hatch (news - bio - voting record), R-Utah, who chairs the
Judiciary Committee (news - web sites) that oversees the FBI, said of the
McVeigh documents: ``There's no question these mistakes should not have been
made in a high-profile case, or any case.''

``Every criminal defendant has the right to these types of materials and
we've got to live up to our responsibilities,'' said Hatch, who was not in
the Freeh hearing. ``We must see that those rights are protected.''

The FBI could be heading for some tough times in Congress after years of
almost unquestioned support.

Shelby called for ``a broad review of the FBI, its mission, its problems and
some solutions,'' Hatch plans Judiciary Committee hearings on the McVeigh
matter and Sen. Dick Durbin, D-Ill., intends to propose creation of a
separate inspector general for the FBI, supplanting the Justice Department
(news - web sites)'s IG there. The new IG would report to the Governmental
Affairs Committee. Durbin is on both that panel and the Judiciary Committee.

The Intelligence Committee briefing was ostensibly about longtime FBI agent
Robert Hanssen, arrested in February on charges of spying for Moscow for 15
years.

But the talk moved to the McVeigh case, and, of particular concern to Shelby,
the case of the 1963 bombing of the Sixteenth Street Baptist Church in
Birmingham, Ala., that killed four black girls.

``From what I've learned recently, the FBI had information which they never
furnished first to our former attorney general, Bill Baxley, when he reopened
the bombing case'' in the 1970s, ``and only recently furnished it to the U.S.
attorney's office in Birmingham.''

The information - including hundreds of hours of tape recordings - helped win
the May 1 murder convictions of Thomas Blanton Jr., 62, a former Ku Klux
Klansman.

The three-decade withholding of information infuriated Baxley, who convicted
ex-Klansman Robert Chambliss when he reopened the probe in the 1970s.

``What excuse can the FBI have for allowing Mr. Blanton to go free for 24
years with this smoking gun evidence hidden in its files?'' Baxley wrote in a
May 3 commentary in The New York Times.

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[CTRL] What the Feds Won't Tell You About Oklahoma City

2001-05-15 Thread radman

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What the Feds Won't Tell You About Oklahoma City

Beyond McVeigh

Mondo Washington
by James Ridgeway
Village Voice
May 16-22, 2001

The FBI's admission last week that it has known since at least March about
more than 3000 pages withheld in the Oklahoma City bombing case may force
the reopening of the case. Attorneys for Terry Nichols have asked for a new
trial. Lawyers for Timothy McVeigh, whose May 16 execution has been delayed
for a month, are contemplating their next move.

The FBI says it made a bureaucratic mistake, but its actions look to some
like a cover-up, especially since the papers are said to contain various
documents relating to the mysterious John Doe No. 2, who many suspect was
involved in the attack that destroyed the Murrah Federal Building on April
19, 1995.

As it stands, the case just doesn't make sense. McVeigh's recent claim that
he mixed the fertilizer bomb by himself is unbelievable. Various witnesses
in Kansas and Oklahoma City saw other people around the legendary Ryder
truck used in the blast. Several suspicious individuals met McVeigh in the
weeks before the explosion. McVeigh suggests these were onetime, casual
encounters, but clues suggest otherwise.

As wacky as their claims may at first seem, conspiracy theorists say the
question of whether the government knew about the plot beforehand, or even
played some role in it, cannot be ignored.
This is a list of certain, but by no means allof the events that hint at a
broader plot.

JOHN DOE NO. 2: The government theory was that McVeigh, using the name
Robert Kling, rented a Ryder truck from Elliott's Body Shop in Junction
City, Kansas, on Saturday April 15, 1995, at about 8:45 a.m. He paid $281
and told Eldon Elliott he'd pick up the truck at 4 p.m. Monday.

When McVeigh returned, he was accompanied by a man Elliott described as
white, between 5-7 and 5-8, wearing a white cap with blue stripes. He said
Kling himself was a white male, 5-11 and 180 to 185 pounds.

Another employee, Tom Kessenger, told the FBI that Kling was accompanied by
a second individual wearing a black T-shirt, jeans, and a baseball cap
colored royal blue in the front and white in the back. The man also had a
tattoo on his upper left arm. Portrayed in a police sketch, this person
became known around the world as John Doe No. 2. Kessenger later changed
his story and identified Kling as 5-10, 175 to 185 pounds, with green or
brown eyes and a rough complexion or acne.

Stephen Jones, McVeigh's attorney, pointed out that when McVeigh was booked
into the Noble County jail, he was listed at 6-2 and 160 pounds, with blue
eyes and a clear complexion.

JUNCTION CITY WITNESS: The government claims McVeigh placed a call for
Chinese food at a restaurant in Junction City on April 15. Jeff Davis, who
delivered the order to room 25 at the Dreamland Motel, said the man who
took the food had unkempt hair and a regional accent. He told the FBI the
person who accepted the delivery was not Timothy McVeigh.

The McVeigh defense pointed out that McVeigh wore his hair short, in a
military style, and had no regional accent. There were no McVeigh
fingerprints in room 25.

A SECOND TRUCK: Four witnesses said they saw a Ryder truck at the
Dreamland, but on Sunday, April 16a day before the government claimed
McVeigh picked up a vehicle at Elliott's. This testimony gave rise to
another theory that two trucks were involved in the plot.

OKLAHOMA CITY WITNESS: A young woman, subsequently trapped in the wreckage,
said that moments before the blast she saw a Ryder truck park in front of
the Murrah building and a slim, olive-skinned white man, with black,
clean-cut hair and wearing a baseball cap, jeans, and a jacket, get out of
the passenger side of the truck and walk away very fast, heading in a
westward direction. Then came the explosion.

THE LEG: The lower part of a left leg was hauled out of the wreckage, the
only body part never matched with a victim. One theory said it belonged to
John Doe No. 2. The foot was in a combat boot, and there was some sort of
military blousing strap attached to the shoe. At the trial, an expert
witness for the defense suggested the leg belonged to the bomber.

THE BOMB: The government argued the explosive was built at Geary Lake near
Herington, Kansas, overnight on April 18th. Speculation has always been
that McVeigh and Nichols made the bomb. But experts have long pointed out
it would be almost impossible for even two men to mix up a bomb of this
magnitude in one night. Yet in a recent book called The American Terrorist,
by Lou Michel and Dan Herbeck, McVeigh told the authors that he basically
mixed the bomb himself.

CHARLES FARLEY: The Fort Riley civilian employee testified that when he
drove down to Geary Lake to check out the fishing possibilities on April 18
he saw three other vehicles, including a truck piled with bags of what
looked like fertilizer, and a group of men. According to the government's
case this was the date and place 

[CTRL] Calif. Summer Blackouts to Be Worse Than Expected

2001-05-15 Thread Bill Richer

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Tuesday May 15 1:36 PM ET
Calif. Summer Blackouts to Be Worse Than Expected


By Patrick Connole

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - Electricity shortages in California this summer will
be worse than state authorities had predicted, with blackout-weary consumers
facing 30 percent more outages than previously forecast, the North American
power grid overseer said on Tuesday.

The industry-led North American Electric Reliability Council (NERC) also said
New York City and New England had tight electricity supplies and could have
occasional outages if equipment or power lines broke down.

But the situation is dire in California, the nation's richest and most
populous state.

Californians could see as many as 260 hours of rolling blackouts during the
sweltering summer months, affecting everything from traffic lights to
hospital equipment.

Previous estimates by the California Independent System Operator (ISO) and
Western authorities estimated the state would have about 200 hours of
rotating blackouts this summer.

``California will experience difficulties meeting its projected electricity
demand this summer and California electricity users will experience rotating
blackouts, much more so than last summer,'' said NERC president Michehl Gent
at a news conference to unveil the group's summer power outlook.

TIGHT SUPPLIES IN NORTHEAST

NERC, which was formed in 1965 after blackouts crippled New York City and
other locales, said the northeast also had precariously tight supplies.

``New England and New York City are particularly sensitive to long-term heat
waves and high-than-expected generating unit forced outages,'' the NERC
report said.

The New York Independent System Operator (ISO), a non-profit entity that
dispatches electricity throughout the state, has developed an emergency
program for peak periods. That plan calls for industrial customers with
emergency back-up generators to use their own equipment when power supplies
drop below a certain level to free up power for other users.

A key issue for New York City is the speedy completion of 11 combustion
turbines now under construction, NERC said. The turbines will generate a
combined total of about 480 megwatts, and would operate during peak demand
hours of the late afternoon and early evening.

Experts say 1,000 megawatts is roughly enough power to serve 1 million homes.

Texas, which is seen as having ample power supplies, also will be monitored
closely because of state deregulation changes next month, NERC said.

``Texas will undergo a major shift in its operation in June when it opens up
to full retail access and consolidates 10 control area operations into one,''
NERC said.

Continent-wide, the overseer said no other regions were expected to suffer
shortages.

That includes the drought-stricken Pacific Northwest, which should be able to
meet its own needs for electricity, even though hydroelectric resources are
suffering from the lack of rain. That drought will prevent sales of hydro
power to California, which depends on the electricity to ease supply crunches
during the hottest months.

GOLDEN STATE WOES

For months, federal and state politicians and regional power experts have
issued warnings about the summer shortfalls hitting California. NERC said the
balance between supply and demand was worse than previously expected.

The state's ``deficiencies will be more severe than California ISO's expected
conditions,'' NERC said.

The industry group said supply shortages will range from about 4,500 to 5,500
megawatts during peak demand times each summer month. That is about 2,000 to
4,000 megawatts greater than state projections.

California may experience operating emergencies due to the state's reliance
on once-plentiful hydro resources, NERC said.

The average size of each rolling blackout -- or the amount of power lacking
-- will be about 2,150 megawatts, it said.

Under ``best case'' scenarios the state could have as much as 2,500 megawatts
capacity surplus over its required needs, but that under a ``worst case'' the
power grid could be deficient by as much as 13,000 megawatts.

``Both of these cases are deemed unlikely,'' NERC added.

California's chronic power crisis has already forced PGE Corp's Pacific Gas
 Electric unit -- the state's biggest utility -- to file for bankruptcy
protection. The state's flawed 1996 deregulation law forced utilities to
absorb sharply higher wholesale prices instead of passing them through to
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[CTRL] OT~Humor~: Systems Administrator Annoyances

2001-05-15 Thread Amelia

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All I did was ask him a couple of questions!
~Amelia~

Sent: Tuesday, May 15, 2001 10:11 AM
Subject: FW:


Nowthis IS true..
Systems Administrator Annoyances

When a tech says he's coming right over, log out and go for coffee.
It's no problem for us to remember 2700 network passwords.
When you call us to have your computer moved, be sure to leave it
buried under half a ton of postcards, baby pictures, stuffed
animals, dried
flowers, and trophies. We don't have a life, and we find it deeply
moving to
catch a fleeting glimpse of yours.
When tech support sends you an e-mail with high importance, delete
it at once. We're probably just testing out the email system.
When a tech is eating lunch at his desk, walk right in and explain
your problem(s) and expect him to respond immediately. We exist only
to
serve and are always ready to think about fixing computers.
When a tech is at the coffee machine or outside having a smoke, ask
him a computer question. The only reason why we drink coffee or
smoke at all
is to ferret out all those users who don't have eMail or a telephone
line.
Send urgent eMail ALL IN UPPERCASE. The mail server picks it up and
flags it as a rush delivery.
When you call a tech's direct line, press 5 to skip the bilingual
greeting that says he's out of town for a week, record your message,
and
wait exactly 24 hours before you send an eMail straight to the
director
because no one ever returned your call. You're entitled to common
courtesy.
When the photocopier doesn't work, call computer support. There's
electronics in it, right?
When you're getting a NO DIAL TONE message at home, call computer
support. We can even fix telephone problems from here.
When something's wrong with your home PC, dump it on a tech's chair
with no name, no phone number, and no description of the problem. We
love a
good mystery.
When you have a tech on the phone walking you through changing a
setting; read the paper. We don't actually mean for you to DO
anything; we
just love to hear ourselves talk.
When we offer training on the upcoming OS upgrade, don't bother
going. We'll be there to hold your hand after it is done.
When the printer won't print, re-send the job at least 20 times.
Print jobs frequently just disappear for no reason.
When the printer still won't print after 20 tries, send the job to
all 68 printers in the office. One of them is bound to work.
Don't use online help. Online help is for wimps.
If you're taking night classes in computer science, feel free to go
around and update the network drivers for you and all your
co-workers. We're
grateful for the overtime when we have to stay until 2:30am fixing
them.
When you have a tech fixing your computer at a quarter past one, eat
your lunch in his face. We function better when slightly dizzy.
Don't ever thank us. We love this AND we get paid for it!
When a tech asks you whether you've installed any new software on
this computer, lie. It's nobody's business what you've got on your
computer.

If the mouse cable keeps knocking down the framed picture of your
dog, lift the computer and stuff the cable under it. Mouse cables
were
designed to have 45 lbs. of computer sitting on top of them.
If the space bar on your keyboard doesn't work, blame it on the mail
upgrade. Keyboards work much better with half a pound of muffin
crumbs, nail
clippings, and big sticky drops of Coke under the keys.
When you get the message saying Are you sure? click on that Yes
button as fast as you can. Hell, if you weren't sure, you wouldn't
be doing
it, would you?
Feel perfectly free to say things like I don't know nothing about
that computer crap. It never bothers us to hear our area of
professional
expertise referred to as crap.
When you need to change the toner cartridge, call tech support.
Changing a toner cartridge is an extremely complex task, and
Hewlett-Packard
recommends that it be performed only by a professional engineer with
a
Master's degree in nuclear physics.
When something's the matter with your computer, ask your secretary
to call the help desk. We enjoy the challenge of having to deal with
a third
party who doesn't know jack sh*t about the problem.
When you receive a 30-meg movie file, send it to everyone as a
high-priority mail attachment. We've got plenty of disk space and
processor
capacity on that mail server.
Don't even think of breaking large print jobs down into smaller
chunks. God forbid somebody else might get a chance to squeeze into
the
print queue.
When you bump into a tech in the grocery store on a Saturday, ask a
computer question. We work 24 hours a day 7 days a week, even while
at the
grocery store on weekends.
If your son is a student in computer science, have him come in on
the weekends and do his projects on your office computer. We'll be
there for
you when his illegal copy of Visual Basic 6.0 makes your Access
database
flip out.
When you bring us your own no-brand home PC to repair for free at
the office, tell us how urgently we 

Re: [CTRL] A Modest Proposal

2001-05-15 Thread Amelia

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{{Well, seems to me that if the wacko environ extremists were
serious, this would be their ideal.  But then, of course, they only
want to control what OTHERS do while picking and choosing for
themselves only those measures that suit their own agenda.  So when
enough of them demonstrate their sincerity in the following manner,
I will start to pay more attention.  Meanwhile, those do-good
non-profit orgs are some of the most corrupt and manipulative forms
of corporate greed in existence.  So the UN and NWO now called
Globalists goal is to eliminate 70 percent of the population and
they are behind schedule.  Come on, help them out!  Se below for how
you can do this.
~Amelia~}



The Voluntary Human Extinction Movement


May we live long and die out




Phasing out the human race by voluntarily ceasing to breed will
allow Earth's biosphere to return to good health. Crowded conditions
and resource shortages will improve as we become less dense.



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Translations Welcome



ABOUT THE MOVEMENT

What is the Voluntary Human Extinction Movement?
Are you really serious?
How do I join?
What's new?
Do some people misunderstand the VHEMT concept?

BIOLOGY AND BREEDING

What's wrong with having babies? Don't you like babies?
If we only produce two children, doesn't that just replace
ourselves?
Aren't the wrong people making babies these days?
I'm extra smart. Shouldn't I pass on my genes?
What about the human instinct to breed?
Do we have to stop having sex?
Does VHEMT favor abortion?
Will contraception lower birth rates?

DEATH

Will new viruses, wars, famine, and toxic waste help the cause of
human extinction?
Are we all supposed to kill ourselves?
Won't VHEMT die out when all its members die off?

ECOLOGY

Is parenthood bad for Earth's ecology?
What's the big deal about animals going extinct?
Are humans the most important species on Earth?
How do I gauge the depth of my ecology?
Don't humans have a place in Nature?
Isn't over-population just a human distribution problem?

ECONOMICS

Does a growing economy require a growing population?
Who will pay our social security when we're old?
Is conservation the answer to resource depletion?
Isn't over-population worse in poor countries?
Is unequal distribution of wealth the cause of hunger rather than
over-population?
Is capitalism the main cause of environmental destruction?

POLITICS

Didn't Hitler have the same ideas?
Does VHEMT support China's one-child policy?
Should human migration be controlled to help Earth's ecosystems?
Will Urban Growth Boundaries stop suburban sprawl?
What about our right to breed?

PHILOSOPHY and RELIGION

Is there a typical path of progression to a VHEMT awareness?
Will human extinction solve all of Earth's problems?
If there were a magic button for extinction, would you press it?
What will the world be like when population starts getting smaller?
What will Earth be like without humans?
Is voluntary human extinction possible?
Isn't over population just a symptom of the problem rather than the
cause?
Are religions to blame for human over population?
Earth's sun will burn out in a few billion years anyway, so what
difference does it make?

SCIENCE FICTION and FANTASY

Without us, who would protect Earth from extraterrestrial threats
like comets and asteroids?
Why not clone extinct species from their DNA codes?
Why not move excess human population to colonies on other planets?
If we spread life to other planets, wouldn't there be more chance
for it to survive?

LINKS







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[CTRL] FBI Orders Massive Search of Its Offices

2001-05-15 Thread Amelia

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 {{Bit late, isn't it?}}
FBI Orders Massive Search of Its Offices
NewsMax.com Wires
Wednesday, May 16, 2001
LOS ANGELES (UPI) - The FBI has ordered its offices around the world
to examine their records for material on Oklahoma City bomber
Timothy McVeigh after more undisclosed records were found in
Baltimore, the Los Angeles Times reported Tuesday.
Everybody is checking again. The whole bureau today, said an FBI
source, one of several government sources who asked not to be
identified because of the investigation. Everybody is going through
everything again.

A Department of Justice official said authorities were worried that
if even more material is found after this latest search, it would be
all the more embarrassing to federal law enforcement.

We certainly want all the information that is available, the
official said. We want all the information that's out there.

Seven more documents were found in the FBI's Baltimore office last
week and were expected to be delivered to McVeigh's attorneys,
sources told the newspaper.

Like the material found in other offices, however, the Baltimore
documents were discounted by government sources, who said they had
no relevance to McVeigh's guilt or innocence. Baltimore was one of
dozens of FBI field offices involved in interviewing witnesses and
collecting evidence.

Federal officials last week discovered the 3,135 pages of new
material after collecting McVeigh files from dozens of field offices
across the country.

Robert Nigh, one of McVeigh's two court-appointed lawyers, said the
12th-hour revelation that the documents had been found cast doubt
on his client's conviction of murdering 168 people in the April 19,
1995, bombing of a federal building in Oklahoma City.

McVeigh: No 'John Doe No. 2'

In Houston, the Chronicle reported that McVeigh wrote a letter to
the newspaper stating unequivocally that there was never a John Doe
No. 2.

McVeigh's letter came in response to a reporter's inquiries about
renewed allegations by his estranged trial attorney, Stephen Jones,
that McVeigh has always inflated his role in the bombing to serve
his ego.

Jones has been thoroughly discredited, so I'm not going to break a
sweat refuting his outlandish claims point-by-point, McVeigh wrote.
The truth is on my side.

And last, does anyone honestly believe that if there was a John Doe
#2 (there is not), that Stephen Jones would still be alive? ...
Think about it, McVeigh said in his letter to the Houston
Chronicle.

Legal experts say the statement, in McVeigh's own distinctive
handwriting, could weaken any argument his attorneys might make to
seek a new trial based on the possible existence of other
conspirators in the 1995 bombing.

McVeigh was set to die by lethal injection today,but the execution
was delayed last week by Attorney General John Ashcroft after the
FBI revealed it had failed to turn over the previously undisclosed
documents to McVeigh's lawyers.

Copyright 2001 by United Press International.

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[CTRL] Helms Wants to Ban Discrimination Against Boy Scouts

2001-05-15 Thread Amelia

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{{I think it is a very sad commentary on the current congress when
this ancient man in his wheelchair is the only one with the ba~er,
courage  to stand up and say if gays can use the schools, so can the
Boy Scouts.  Amelia}}

Helms Wants to Ban Discrimination Against Boy Scouts
CNSNews.com
Wednesday, May 16, 2001
Sen. Jesse Helms, a former Boy Scout, wants to require any public
school receiving federal funds to give the Boy Scouts of America
equal access to school facilities.
He also asked the Congressional Research Service to examine how many
school districts have taken hostile action against the Scouts
because of membership guidelines that exclude homosexuals.

In a message to the Senate on Monday, Helms, R-N.C., condemned
school districts that forbid the Boy Scouts from using their
facilities for Scout meetings.

These very same meeting places at school remain open to over 800
Gay-Straight Student Alliance Clubs, Helms noted. With groups like
these welcomed in our public schools, schoolchildren need to have
the Boy Scouts stick around.

Helms offered an amendment to the education bill making its way
through Congress. He said the measure would give federal civil
rights enforcers in the Department of Education the authority to
investigate any discriminatory action taken against the Boys Scouts
of America, based on their membership or leadership criteria.

Government schools that adamantly refuse to provide the Boy Scouts
equal access to school facilities, despite warnings, would risk
losing federal funding, Helms said.

The arrogant discriminatory treatment of Boys Scouts of America
must not be allowed to continue, he said.

One year ago, the U.S. Supreme Court upheld the Boy Scouts'
constitutional right, as a private organization, to set its own
membership rules. The ruling outraged homosexual rights advocates,
who wanted the court to force the Boy Scouts to accept homosexuals
as members and leaders.

The organization steadfastly refuses to do so, saying that
homosexuality goes against the grain of the oath that all Scouts
must take: On my honor, I will do my best to do my duty to God and
my country, and to obey the Scout Law; to help other people at all
times; to keep myself physically strong, mentally awake, and morally
straight.

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[CTRL] Test scores' fuzzy math

2001-05-15 Thread Amelia

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{{Oh, good!  Our educational system isn't a disaster after all.
Well, not to worry if it is for the govt will take care of us all.
Why do we need to know all these silly things, anyway? If these kids
grow up unable to read adequately or even think for themselves,
well, they will be all the more dependent on the federal government.
Besides, if it is important, our government will TELL us, probably
on TV so they do not really need to read, anyway. And that's the
object of our public educational system, keep them dumb and
dependent.  Oh, yes, and to build self esteem so they will not
realize how ignorant and dependent they are.   AKE}}
Test scores' fuzzy math

Are grading standards too high?

By Jay Mathews
THE WASHINGTON POST

WASHINGTON, May 15 - The results from the national test were a
shock: Nearly 40 percent of U.S. fourth-graders scored below the
basic level of competency in reading. The 1992 scores on the
National Assessment of Educational Progress and the fourth-graders'
performance in years thereafter prompted columnist Michael Kelly to
predict for those struggling young readers the joyous prospects of
bike-messengering, table-busing, weed-pulling, hamburger-flipping
and broom-pushing - episodically relieved by unemployment and
descents into deep poverty.

 Such sharp contrasts in achievement for such an important age group
make some education researchers and analysts concerned about the
tests and how they are presented to the public.

 YET A YEAR before that 1992 test, fourth graders scored
near the top of the list of 30 countries on a different reading
test, the equally respectable International Association for the
Evaluation of Educational Achievement exam.
   The same has happened in science and mathematics. About 36
percent of U.S. fourth-graders scored below basic levels in math and
33 percent below basic in science on the 1996 NAEP test. But the
year before, those allegedly TV-addled fourth-graders were above the
international average in math and just below Korea and Japan at the
top of the list in science in the Third International Mathematics
and Science Study.
   Testing experts - accustomed to confusion and contradiction -
caution that every assessment involves different assumptions and
different questions given to different children.


   But such sharp contrasts in achievement for such an important
age group - fourth grade is when children are expected to start
reading on their own - make some education researchers and analysts
concerned about the tests and how they are presented to the public.

CRITICS: GRADING SCALE TOO STRICT
   For some, the problem is the NAEP test's grading scale, which
they say is unrealistically strict. The tests, supervised by the
congressionally appointed National Assessment Governing Board, are
billed as The Nation's Report Card. If so, they sometimes produce
the kind of ill-feeling and controversy as a string of D-pluses from
a cranky physics teacher.
   Gerald W. Bracey, a Fairfax County-based educational
psychologist, said the way the test is graded - with levels set at
advanced, proficient, basic and below basic - makes little sense. He
noted that the levels are based on the opinions of adult judges who
were asked to give their impression of which questions students
should be able to answer, rather than by examining how students
actually perform on the tests.
   If the levels are set too high, that could leave journalists,
public officials and parents with an overly negative impression,
said Lyle V. Jones, a research professor in quantitative psychology
at the University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill.
 Advertisement

 At the same time, U.S. fourth-graders look good when
compared with their overseas counterparts because other countries do
not set as high a standard for younger pupils, testing experts say.
But when the U.S. students get older, their achievement levels no
longer look as good in comparison.
   Sharif Shakrani, deputy executive director of the National
Assessment Governing Board, said that as a native of Lebanon, he has
a sense of the deficiencies of primary education abroad. U.S.
students have access to narrative materials to read, and some other
countries do not have access to much of that, he said. Also,
American teachers are more qualified for teaching reading than in
most other countries.
   In science and mathematics, his specialties, Shakrani said he
believes that U.S. fourth-graders may do relatively well on
international tests because the same content is taught to all
students.
   Ina V.S. Mullis, co-director of the International Study
Center at Boston College, said that in actuality, we have more
science instruction in elementary school than other countries, so
U.S. fourth-graders have an advantage.
   Results from the Third International Mathematics and Science
Study show that U.S. students lose ground in grades 8 and 12. This
may be, in part, Shakrani 

[CTRL] Fwd: [RWWATCH] Bush Attorney and Nominee Ted Olson Caught Lying

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RWWATCH -- May 14, 2001  (please forward)

[These days, Right-wing leaders expect to be able to lie under oath
  with impunity, while at the same time engaged in fierce campaigns to
  undermine the credibility of liberals and moderates (i.e. Al Gore).

  As far as I can tell, the reason they get away with it is that the
  liberal groups rely almost completely on the offices of elected
  officials to get the word out (i.e. Daschle's office), while the
  conservatives rely on privately funded organizations with multimillion
  dollar budgets and the ability to send out thousands of press releases.

  As you may recall from previous posts on this email list, Olson was
  not only Bush's attorney in the Bush v. Gore case; he was also the
  attorney used by the conservative DC-based Center for Individual
  Rights in the famous Hopwood case that overturned affirmative action.

-rich]


http://www.salon.com/politics/feature/2001/05/14/archive/print.html

Ted Olson's Arkansas problem

Despite his evasive disavowals, Salon investigations showed the right-wing
consigliere was deeply involved in a sordid plot to bring down President
Clinton.

- - - - - - - - - - - - By Daryl Lindsey

May 14, 2001 | The Senate Judiciary Committee on Thursday delayed
its vote in the confirmation of Ted Olson as President Bush's
solicitor general. The move came after Sen. Patrick Leahy, D-Vt.,
publicly questioned inconsistencies in the answers Olson has
provided about his role in the Arkansas Project, a $2.4 million,
five-year effort to dig up dirt on President Clinton.

Fearing that his confirmation could be derailed by the
allegations, Olson has attempted to downplay his role in the
Arkansas Project, but with each new response, he seems to
backpedal from his original account even further.

Olson's evasiveness drew a rebuke from the ranking Democrat on
he committee. The credibility of the person appointed to be the
Solicitor General is of paramount importance, Leahy warned in a
May 4 letter that followed Olson's written responses to
dditional questions forwarded by the committee following his
pril 5 confirmation hearing.

In 1998, Salon ran a number of stories investigating Olson's
relationship with the right-wing magazine American Spectator,
under whose auspices the Arkansas Project was run, and the
circumstances under which he came to provide pro-bono legal
representation for key Whitewater witness David Hale. Salon's
reporting refutes many of the statements made by Olson at his
confirmation hearing and in his subsequent written responses and
raises serious questions about his fitness for the office of
solicitor general.

Salon compared the testimony provided by Olson at his
onfirmation hearing and his subsequent written answers to
follow-up questions by the committee with the findings of
exhaustive investigative reporting conducted by Murray Waas, Joe
Conason and Jonathan Broder for Salon during the investigation of
President Clinton. Here's what we found:

On Olson's role in the Arkansas Project:

Leahy: Were you involved in the so-called Arkansas Project at any
time?

Olson: Only as a member of the board of directors of the American
Spectator I became aware of that. It has been alleged that I was
somehow involved in that so-called project. I was not involved in
the project in its origin or its management.

The facts: An investigation by Murray Waas revealed that Olson
provided legal advice to both the American Spectator and the
Arkansas Project, in addition to serving on the boards of four
conservative political groups funded by Richard Mellon Scaife,
he reclusive Pittsburgh billionaire who has funded and has ties
o many prominent right-wing groups, including the Federalist
Society, which has served as a veritable breeding ground for
Bush's judiciary appointments. Both Olson and his then-colleague
John Mintz at the law firm of Gibson, Dunn  Crutcher advised the
Arkansas Project from its inception in 1993. Olson is somebody
who Scaife would trust to see that nothing went wrong and that
is money would not be wasted, a source told Waas at the time.

On Olson's disputed presence at meetings of the Arkansas
Project:

Leahy: There were no meetings of the Arkansas Project in your
office or ...

Olson: No, there were none.

The facts: The first meeting of the Arkansas Project took place
n 1994 at Olson's Washington law office and was attended by
lson, Stephen Boynton, Dave Henderson and others from the
merican Spectator and other Scaife-funded organizations,
ccording to reporting by Jonathan Broder and Joe Conason. In a

[CTRL] Fwd: Political Control Technology

2001-05-15 Thread Kris Millegan






Announcing a Free Report on Political Control Technology:

I’m sending this to everyone who has emailed me or been cc’d on email to
me on topics at least indirectly related to the subject.  If you do not
wish to receive further material from me, I’d be happy to remove your
name from my list on request (see bottom of msg).


 Non Lethal Weapon:  A code-word phrase with two meanings:  1)
 The meaning assumed by general public to refer to
 less-than-lethal weapons such as rubber bullets; 2) The
 meaning privately conveyed by government, the military
 industrial complex, and intelligence community to further
 include Political Control Technologies, a term not intended
 for public consumption...

 Political Control Technologies:  Any weapon from among three
 categories, which includes devices with overlapping functions
 in: 1) Surveillance and Tracking technology relying on both
 overt and covert means, which may include invasive body
 implants; 2) Harassment and Deterrence technology designed to
 impair vision, hearing, mobility, physical strength, bodily
 functions, or mental clarity, or to cause physical discomfort,
 pain (or even injury or death at higher operating levels); 3)
 Mind Control technology capable of altering perception, mood,
 emotion, willpower, sense of self, or of actually detecting or
 imparting mental images, sounds, or thoughts.

I’m H. Michael Sweeney, author of The Professional Paranoid: How to
Fight Back When Investigated, Stalked, Harassed, or Targeted by Any
Agency, Organization, or Individual.  As the result of preparing a
sequel work titled MC Realities: Understanding, Detecting, and Defeating
Mind Control and Electronic Weapons of Political Control Technology,
I’ve prepared a 20 page report on Political Control Technology which
lists over 250 definitions and related terms.  These are real devices
which exist today or are in development according to patents, military
and government documents, and other experts in the field.

The political ramifications in the fact that this technology should even
exist should be sufficient to call for complete restructuring of the
current government leadership, policy, and priorities. To discover that
these technologies have been and continue to be tested on unwitting and
unconsenting Americans (to include ‘political dissidents’) shows that
government not only is willing, but actually intends wholesale
application of these technologies against the entire population at some
point in the future.

Regardless of if you doubt those conclusions, or fear them true, you
should get a copy of this report, contained in a free sample of The
Professional Paranoid Newsletter - in a 450K Acrobat .pdf file (requires
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[CTRL] AACK!! Help at VOTE.COM on Medical Marijuana

2001-05-15 Thread tribalzidane

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Supreme Court Rules Against Medical Marijuana: Do You Agree With The
Decision?

  - Yes.  The drug is illegal, plain and simple.  There is no
exception to the rule

  - No.  Prevent needless pain and suffering.  Let patients use
marijuana


Current Results:

Yes (3,868) (53%)
No  (3,455) (47%)

Needless to say, this thing needs a little balance.

http://www.vote.com/vote/30740408/index.phtml?cat=4075633

Ty

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[CTRL] CIA's Worst-Kept Secret

2001-05-15 Thread Kris Millegan

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Click Here: A HREF=http://www.consortiumnews.com/051601a.html;The 
Consortium/A
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CIA's Worst-Kept Secret
By Martin A. Lee
May 16, 2001Honest and idealist ... enjoys good food and wine ... 
unprejudiced mind... 

That's how a 1952 Central Intelligence Agency assessment described Nazi 
ideologue Emil Augsburg, an officer at the infamous Wannsee Institute, the SS 
think tank involved in planning the Final Solution. Augsburg's SS unit 
performed special duties, a euphemism for exterminating Jews and other 
undesirables during the Second World War. 

Although he was wanted in Poland for war crimes, Augsburg managed to 
ingratiate himself with the U.S. CIA, which employed him in the late 1940s as 
an expert on Soviet affairs.

Recently released CIA records indicate that Augsburg was among a rogue's 
gallery of Nazi war criminals recruited by U.S. intelligence shortly after 
Germany surrendered to the Allies. 

Pried loose by Congress, which passed the Nazi War Crimes Disclosure Act 
three years ago, a long-hidden trove of once-classified CIA documents 
confirms one of the worst-kept secrets of the Cold War – the CIA's use of an 
extensive Nazi spy network to wage a clandestine campaign against the Soviet 
Union. 

The CIA reports show that U.S. officials knew they were subsidizing numerous 
Third Reich veterans who had committed horrible crimes against humanity, but 
these atrocities were overlooked as the anti-Communist crusade acquired its 
own momentum. For Nazis who would otherwise have been charged with war 
crimes, signing on with American intelligence enabled them to avoid a prison 
term. 

The real winners of the Cold War were Nazi war criminals, many of whom were 
able to escape justice because the East and West became so rapidly focused 
after the war on challenging each other, says Eli Rosenbaum, director of the 
Justice Department's Office of Special Investigations and America's chief 
Nazi hunter.

Rosenbaum serves on a Clinton-appointed Interagency Working Group committee 
of U.S. scholars, public officials, and former intelligence officers who 
helped prepare the CIA records for declassification. 

Many Nazi criminals received light punishment, no punishment at all, or 
received compensation because Western spy agencies considered them useful 
assets in the Cold War, the IWG team stated after releasing 18,000 pages of 
redacted CIA material. (More installments are pending.) 

These are not just dry historical documents, insists former congresswoman 
Elizabeth Holtzman, a member of the panel that examined the CIA files. As far 
as Holtzman is concerned, the CIA papers raise critical questions about 
American foreign policy and the origins of the Cold War. 

The decision to recruit Nazi operatives had a negative impact on U.S.-Soviet 
relations and set the stage for Washington's tolerance of human rights' 
abuses and other criminal acts in the name of anti-Communism. With that 
fateful sub-rosa embrace, the die was cast for a litany of antidemocratic CIA 
interventions around the world. 

The Gehlen Org 
The key figure on the German side of the CIA-Nazi tryst was General Reinhard 
Gehlen, who had served as Adolf Hitler's top anti-Soviet spy. During World 
War II, Gehlen oversaw all German military-intelligence operations in Eastern 
Europe and the USSR. 

As the war drew to a close, Gehlen surmised that the U.S.-Soviet alliance 
would soon break down. Realizing that the United States did not have a viable 
cloak-and-dagger apparatus in Eastern Europe, Gehlen surrendered to the 
Americans and pitched himself as someone who could make a vital contribution 
to the forthcoming struggle against the Communists.

In addition to sharing his vast espionage archive on the USSR, Gehlen 
promised that he could resurrect an underground network of battle-hardened 
anti-Communist assets who were well placed to wreak havoc throughout the 
Soviet Union and Eastern Europe. 

Although the Yalta Treaty stipulated that the United States must give the 
Soviets all captured German officers who had been involved in eastern area 
activities, Gehlen was quickly spirited off to Fort Hunt, Va.

The image he projected during 10 months of negotiations at Fort Hunt was, to 
use a bit of espionage parlance, a legend – one that hinged on Gehlen's 
false claim that he was never really a Nazi, but was dedicated, above all, to 
fighting Communism. Those who bit the bait included future CIA director Allen 
Dulles, who became Gehlen's biggest supporter among American policy wonks.
 
Gehlen returned to West Germany in the summer of 1946 with a mandate to 
rebuild his espionage organization and resume spying on the East at the 
behest of American intelligence. The date is significant as it preceded the 
onset of the Cold War, which, according to standard U.S. historical accounts, 
did not begin until a year later.

The early courtship of Gehlen by American intelligence suggests that 
Washington was in a Cold War 

[CTRL] Fwd: CLEARANCE SALE ON HIGH TECH WEAPONS

2001-05-15 Thread Kris Millegan





Steamshovel/Conspiracy Digest Newsletter (May 15,2001)
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CLEARANCE SALE ON HIGH TECH WEAPONS:
Inside the Weekly Arms Bazaar at
Redstone Arsenal

by Al Martin

 The Redstone Arsenal in Huntsville,
Alabama hosted a taxpayer-funded seafood
buffet for Certification Day. The Friendly
Colonel reports that the only thing that was
any good out of the buffet was the cracked
crab. He also reports that he is constantly
amazed at the new things he keeps finding out.

  What he learned this weekend is that the
Redstone Arsenal, unbeknownst to the public,
is the key government facility for explosives
training among the federal agencies. This
includes training bomb squads within the FBI,
BATF, and Secret Service. There were over
two thousand people taking these courses, as
well as foreign military, including Chinese and
Russian Army personnel. There were also
Germans, Israelis, and even people with Arab
headdress, who turned out to be Iranians. The
Friendly Colonel asked his friend, Why in the
hell are we training Iranians in the use of
explosives on a supposedly sensitive US
Arsenal?

For the rest of the story,
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[CTRL] A modest proposal

2001-05-15 Thread Amelia

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William, don't be silly!  Because June SAID so!  Like the Allatolah,
Allatolah June is at liberty to call names and demand censorship at
will.  Just remember that some people are so base and crass that it
is desirable to be called a name by them as it separates your
ideology from theirs, a MOST desirable thing in this instance.
Usually, however her name-calling is accompanied by the accusation
that the person she is currently calling names is also, in fact,
Aleisha. No matter who, what, when or where, ALWAYS Aleisha.
Sometimes it is accompanied by 'proof' such as the fact that she
THINKS so. This is totally 'normal' for her.  Happens all the time.

You are dealing with a person of such limited capacity that
name-calling seems a normal behavior to her. Things like civility
and manners are totally unknown or at least unpracticed.  Just
consider the source and rejoice.  It means you are not like her.
~Amelia~

- Original Message -
From: William Bacon [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Sent: Monday, May 14, 2001 4:10 PM
Subject: Re: [CTRL] A modest proposal (fwd)


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YnrChldzWyld,
Why?

visit my web site at  http://www.voicenet.com/~wbacon
My ICQ# is 79071904
for a precise list of the powers of the Federal Government linkto:
http://www.voicenet.com/~wbacon/Enumerated.html

On Sat, 12 May 2001, YnrChyldzWyld wrote:

 -Caveat Lector-

 On Sat, 12 May 2001, William Bacon wrote:
 Now that Mr. Shannon has called me the standard names, has
anybody an
 opinion on my modest proposal?

 Yes, I do.

 You're an idiot.


 June

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[CTRL] Eco-terrorists linked to foot-mouth outbreak

2001-05-15 Thread Amelia

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{{Oh, no!  Not the enviro-wackos again!
~Amelia~}}
http://www.thestar.com/cgi-bin/gx.cgi/AppLogic+FTContentServer?pagen
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Tue May 15, 2001 - Updated at 05:22 AM

 Thestar.com  News
May. 14, 2001. 07:46 AM
Eco-terrorists linked to foot-mouth outbreak
British, U.S. farm groups say these groups can't be ruled out

MAX NASH/AP
FARM DUTY: A police officer guards a sealed-off farm in England
during the height of the crisis in March.
CANBERRA, Australia (AP) - Eco-terrorists may be behind the rash of
foot-and-mouth disease outbreaks across the globe, two prominent
agriculture leaders warned today.

The heads of both the U.S. and British farming groups said opponents
to intensive forms of agriculture could not be ruled out as the
source of disease outbreaks.

Ben Gill, president of the United Kingdom's National Farmers' Union,
in Canberra for a farmers' conference, said Australia should
maintain its tough quarantine measures because of the threat of
eco-terrorists.

''There's no doubt foot-and-mouth spread to the U.K. illegally and,
unfortunately, we cannot rule out eco-terrorism,'' he said.

''The last thing you would want to do is ease your quarantine rules
in Australia. If you can find a way to further tighten them, then do
it.''

The head of the U.S. Farm Bureau, Bob Stallman, confirmed last week
his organization had begun talks with the Federal Bureau of
Investigation into possible eco-terrorist activity.

Stallman said there were activists encouraging the introduction of
foot-and-mouth into the United States to protest against intensive
agriculture.

A rash of foot-and-mouth outbreaks have been recorded across the
globe over the past three years, most linked to the Asian strain of
the disease.

Gill said Australia would have to contend with increasingly militant
green splinter groups which would stop at nothing to undermine
existing agricultural practices.

''The pressures of the green groups are intense in Europe, and what
I understand, building here in Australia,'' he said.

Australia immediately increased its quarantine restrictions when the
foot-and-mouth outbreak erupted in Britain in February.

Tougher inspections at ports and airports, and bans on meat,
livestock and used agricultural equipment were introduced.

Gill said he would campaign to have Australia's quarantine laws put
in place in Europe.

''I have to say I wish we had your standards in Europe,'' he told
reporters.

Millions of animals have been slaughtered in Britain in an attempt
to stop the spread of foot-and-mouth disease.

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[CTRL] Poll~ Medical Marajuana

2001-05-15 Thread Amelia

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I do not agree but then neither do I agree that ANYBODY has the
right to tell me, State or otherwise, that I cannot grow something
in my back yard and do with it what I please. Maybe they will be
after my okra next or my grits trees since some people find those
items offensive. I further disagree that it is not a violations of
my Fourth Amendment Rights to be scanned by a helicopter at tree top
level, using an infrared scanner to detects the growth of certain
species of plant on my property for the purpose of arrest,
prosecution, confiscation of property, etc.

And these flights are a hazard as they are so low, they barely clear
the electrical lines.  When it is 104 degrees with 98% humidity, I
do not work in my garden dressed for receiving guests and I think
they are also peeping toms, among other things.

So why is this scan of my property, greenhouse, etc. not an illegal
search?  Sure feels like one when those grinning goons are only
about 50 feet above your head and keep hover and past back and forth
a dozen times and will not leave.  The noise is upsetting to animals
and livestock, too.  This happens at least 6 times a year.  It is
one of those nifty federal and state combination police actions.
~Amelia~

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Re: [CTRL] modest proposal #2

2001-05-15 Thread Aleisha Saba

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Everyone should drink the artesian water but be sure it is what it says
it is on label.

Water probably wasn't safe even before the blast - I discovered how bad
the water was when goldfish died in it from the chlorine.

But with a mess like that - and the water is safe to drink?

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Re: [CTRL] FBI Orders Massive Search of Its Offices

2001-05-15 Thread Aleisha Saba

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No wonder Freeh submitted his resignation prior to this being released?

What about those messages he left in the Gideon placed bible?

He was not a leader; he was a follower.   So he applied for job as
Federal Marshall and was refused?   Or was he?

So we have KGB in the FBI - looks like KGB ran the show at Waco and Ruby
Ridge.

What is our FBI doing with informtion all over the world - when they
have KGB sitting in their own office in Washington receiving diamonds as
payoff from KGB?

Why the diamonds?   That is how they get paid of these days?

So Walker spies - with KGB operated a KKK and wrote letters around the
world using KKK logo and forged names?

J Edgar Hoover never got in bed with the communists - Freeh did, and was
so impressed to think that he had lunch with KGB agent in
Russia...and Madeline Albright went to Putin to ask if USA could
build up our defenses?

Meanwhile UFO chasers want USA to give all our secrets to the enemy -
and work like on good ship Enterprise on Star Trekkkeep thinking of
those Trekkies who went on good ship following Halle Bopp and wonder if
they shelled out any money for fare up front?   All dressed to go on big
trip with new shoes..

As Oswald said to his wife after murdering JFK buy June new
shoes...

Never believed Americans ran that show at Waco and Ruby Ridge -
murdering children.why did FBI and BATF and a judge stay home
that day and leave the children in the nursery?

Saba

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