[CTRL] My Candid Opinion of Al Martin's Book, The Conspirators

2001-08-20 Thread Amelia

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This must be Martin's style for he takes huge dramatic license in
all his writings.  His articles on the Redstone Arsenal are
hilarious in their errors.  Example = Alabama is one state over
from the Mississippi River on which he claims the illegal weapons
were boarded at Decatur. Ha, ha!  Also Towelhead Towing does not
exist.  The arsenal has to use every inch of space available and
there are no wild, unexplored areas with barracks with doors
hanging off, etc. Ditto leaking stuff.  Now Anniston would be
another story and everything starts to leak at the molecular level
immediately, anyway.

 These meetings could not well take place at Red Lobster for it
does not have any private rooms, etc. Landry's does and is next to
the Arsenal. Unarmed land mines and grenades are available
routinely at Army Surplus stores and would not likely be worth the
shipping freight to Asia.

Obsolete electronics must be either dumped or sold and there is
nothing missing from there.  What I wonder is whether or not he
knows this and is just making trouble or being cute or if he really
thinks these sales of illegal items happened.  Lots of old 'junk'
was sold to make room for the combining of another operation there
but there is no factual evidence that anything 'illegal' was sold.
Besides, Clinton/Gore have made sure they already have all the
secret stuff.  We even sent them the spy plane to shoot down to be
sure they have the scoop on our radar capabilities.  No one is
likely to learn or garner much from a junk sale that could not be
already had with little effort.
~Amelia~

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2001-08-20 Thread Amelia

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[CTRL] Fw: New version of aspartame

2001-08-20 Thread Amelia

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The patent has expired on Aspartame so there is less money to be
made.  As always, voila!  A NEW product to replace it.
~Amelia~

Sent: Sunday, August 19, 2001 7:06 AM
Subject: New version of aspartame


Subject:
[Lis-LEAF] DO NOT APPROVE NEOTAME
   Date:
Sat, 18 Aug 2001 08:51:39 -0500
   From:
J.L.,w. [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To:
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DO NOT APPROVE NEOTAME.  It is nothing more than the scrambled
formula
of
aspartame (NutraSweet,Equal,Canderal, Benevia), a more potent
version.
I
gave the formula to Dr. Bada, a peptide chemist who wrote about the
hazards
of the ingredients in aspartame.  Dr. Bada said it has the same
deadly
breakdown products as aspartame.

Aspartame Disease has been declared a global plague  by H. J.
Roberts,
M.D.
and he has just published a 1038 page medical text on it titled
Aspartame
Disease: The Ignored Epidemic,  http://www.sunsentpress.com

It has chapters on brain tumors, MS, lupus, birth defects,
impotence,
thyroid problems, drug interaction and how to treat the patient
that has

used aspartame.  Imagine diabetics using aspartame (Canderal) and
aspartame
now only can precipitate diabetes but it keeps blood sugar out of
control,
destroys the optic nerve and can cause diabetics to go into
convulsions.

It also interacts with INSULIN.  All this is documented in this
medical
text and aspartame also interacts with cardiac Rx, Dilaudid,
L-dopa,
Coumadin and antidepressants for starters.

Aspartame damages the hypothalamus of the brain  and people are now
dropping dead from it.  This is also discussed in the medical text
as
well
as in Excitotoxins: The Taste That Kills by neurosurgeon Russell
Blaylock,
M.D., http://www.amazon.com

Aspartame also triggers male sexual dysfunction, birth defects,
etc.
The
Trocho Study shows the formaldehyde accumulates in the cells and
damages

DNA - http://www.dorway.com/nomarkle.htmlIn Montreal at a
conference
it was recently discussed that sperm is now 85% DNA damage.
Aspartame
can
destroy the human race - it damages DNA

Note on http://www.dorway.com  the Board of Inquiry Report
telling the

FDA not to approve aspartame because it had never been proven safe
and
caused brain tumors.  It also triggered testicular, mammary,
uterine,
ovarian, thyroid and pancreatic tumors and grand mal seizures.  It
should
never have been approved and was done so because of politics.  The
FDA
themselves asked for the indictment of the original manufacturer of
aspartame, Searle, but they were so powerful that both U.S.
Prosecutors
hired on with the defense team and the statute of limitations
expired.
FDA
would not approve it for 16 years but Searle had already built a
$19
million dollar factory so they hired Don Rumsfeld who is now
Secretary
of
Defense and just visited Australia.  He said he would call in his
markers
and get it approved.  You can read that documented in the 8 month
investigation by United Press International.  The day after
President
Reagan took office he appointed Dr. Arthur Hull Hayes to do this
deadly
deed.  The Board of Inquiry was set up and told Dr. Hayes he
couldn't
approve it, and that the petition was revoked.  Read the summation
on
http://www.dorway.com and I will be happy to send you the whole
report
if
you want it.  Dr. Hayes over-ruled the Board of Inquiry and went to
work

for the PR Agency of the manufacturer.  Some articles say at
$1000.00 a
day.  He has refused to talk to the press ever since.

If you have audio you can hear the 12 minute newsclip where Fox
News
went
to Dr. Hayes home and asked him if he didn't owe the people an
explanation
for what he did - were they ever at risk.

Remember Neotame is Aspartame - DO NOT APPROVE IT..  We are now
faced
with
what may be one of the largest plagues in world history.!  I would
suggest
you get the medical text on Aspartame Disease and revoke the
petition,
if
you care about the people of Australia and New Zealand.

I would also suggest you contact Dr. Sandra Cabot in Australia,
mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]  She is with Mission Possible
Australia
and can confirm what I am saying.

Aspartame should never have been approved.  We are already taking
case
histories for class action in order to remove it from the world
marketplace.

Please respond.

Mrs. Betty Martini, Founder, Mission Possible International
 http://www.dorway.com   770 242-2599


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[CTRL] Fw: Member of Dixie Mafia calls 911 Off Topic~Humor~

2001-08-20 Thread Amelia




- 
Sent: Sunday, August 19, 2001 7:14 PM

A couple of hunters in the rural south are out in the 
woods when one of themfalls to the ground. He doesn't seem to be breathing, 
his eyes are rolledback in his head.The other guy whips out his cell 
phone and calls 911. He gasps to theoperator, "My friend is dead! What can I 
do?"The operator, in a calm soothing voice says, "Just take it easy. I can 
help.First, lets make sure he's dead."There is a silence, then a 
shot is heard. The guy's voice comes back onthe line. He says, "OK, 
now what?"


[CTRL] Exclusive A Pardon Overheard

2001-08-20 Thread tnohava



 http://www.msnbc.com/news/616125.asp?0dm=N22TN

Exclusive: A Pardon Overheard

New transcripts reveal Clinton and Barak’s private chats about Marc Rich

By Michael Isikoff
NEWSWEEK

Aug. 27 issue — Bill Clinton’s political antennae were, as always, on high
alert. On Jan. 8, with less than two weeks to go in his presidency, Clinton
was speaking on the phone with the then Israeli Prime Minister Ehud Barak.
The subject: a possible pardon for fugitive financier Marc Rich.


 “I KNOW QUITE A FEW THINGS about that,” Clinton interjected as soon
as Barak raised the matter. He had already gotten a long memo on it, Clinton
explained, and he was “working on it.” But Clinton also understood there
were risks, possibly big ones. “It’s best that we not say much about that,”
Clinton advised Barak on the subject of Rich. The Israeli leader understood.
“OK, I’m not mentioning it anyplace,” he replied.
   The two leaders had no reason to believe their confidential chat
would ever become public. Yet the Clinton-Barak telephone call that evening,
like all conversations between U.S. presidents and foreign heads of state,
was monitored by a team of note takers sitting at computers in the White
House Situation Room. Last week congressional investigators probing the Rich
pardon received access to National Security Council-prepared transcripts of
three Clinton-Barak conversations that dealt with the Rich pardon. NEWSWEEK
also has reviewed the contents of the transcripts, which were edited by
archivists to exclude matters of Mideast diplomacy. The transcripts offer no
“smoking gun” showing that the former president was motivated by large
donations to his presidential library or by generous campaign contributions.
But the conversations do show that, in sharp contrast to the picture painted
by some of his former aides, Clinton was keenly aware of details of the Rich
case, and appeared determined to grant the highly questionable pardon even
though, as he admitted to Barak, there was “almost no precedent in American
history.”
On the merits, Rich’s case certainly seemed improbable from the
start. Indicted in 1983 on charges of tax fraud and racketeering, the
billionaire commodities broker had fled the country, renounced his U.S.
citizenship and moved to a heavily guarded private enclave in Switzerland
rather than face trial in the United States. In a congressional hearing in
March, a trio of former top aides—White House counsel Beth Nolan, chief of
staff John Podesta and Bruce Lindsey—all testified that they had strenuously
argued against the Rich pardon and even thought they had persuaded their
boss to reject it. But, they said, it was a last-minute appeal from Barak,
Clinton’s partner in the Mideast peace talks, that appeared to turn the
president around. “It certainly seemed he was not going to grant it, and
that Mr. Barak’s phone call had been significant,” Nolan said.

Read the transcript




 The NSC transcripts tell a more complicated story. Barak first
raised the issue with Clinton more than a month earlier, on Dec. 11, 2000.
That same day Jack Quinn, Rich’s lawyer (and a former Clinton White House
counsel), submitted a thick pardon application. It included a personal
letter from Denise Rich, the financier’s ex-wife and a major Democratic
Party contributor who had already donated $450,000 to Clinton’s presidential
library. In the conversation that day, Barak described Rich as a “Jewish
American businessman” who was “making a lot of philanthropic contributions
to Israeli institutions and activities like education.” Barak acknowledged
that Rich had “violated certain rules of the game in the United States.” But
“I just wanted to let you know that here he is highly appreciated,” the
Israeli said. Clinton was hardly caught off guard. “I know about that case
because I know his ex-wife,” Clinton said, referring to Denise Rich. “She
wants to help him, too. If your ex-wife wants to help you, that’s good.”
Barak responded, somewhat inaccurately: “Oh, I know his new wife only, an
Italian woman, very young.”



Rich is a billionaire commodities trader who fled the United States after he
and his companies were indicted by federal prosecutors on numerous counts of
fraud, tax evasion and making false statements. For the past 17 years, he
has lived in Switzerland and has avoided extradition to face the U.S.
charges. He claims to have renounced his U.S. citizenship, though the State
Department says it has no formal record of a request. According to his
attorney, he holds citizenship in Spain and Israel.
His lawyer claims Rich was prosecuted under federal racketeering statutes
that are no longer used. He also says Rich faced criminal charges for what
are generally considered to be civil penalties -- punishible by fines but
not jail. The prosecutors who handled the case insist Rich could still be
prosecuted today under a different set of laws. President Clinton says he
differentiated the original charges from civil 

[CTRL] [PalestineDiary] Clinton's Pardon of Marc Rich, just in time for the , holidays and that rally in support of Israel I (fwd)

2001-08-20 Thread Yardbird

-Caveat Lector-

Now why would Newsweek release this JUST now?

Exclusive: A Pardon Overheard

New transcripts reveal Clinton and Barak’s private chats about Marc Rich

By Michael Isikoff
NEWSWEEK

Aug. 27 issue — Bill Clinton’s political antennae were, as always, on high
alert. On Jan. 8, with less than two weeks to go in his presidency, Clinton
was speaking on the phone with the then Israeli Prime Minister Ehud Barak.
The subject: a possible pardon for fugitive financier Marc Rich.

 “I KNOW QUITE A FEW THINGS about that,” Clinton interjected as soon
as Barak raised the matter. He had already gotten a long memo on it, Clinton
explained, and he was “working on it.” But Clinton also understood there
were risks, possibly big ones. “It’s best that we not say much about that,”
Clinton advised Barak on the subject of Rich. The Israeli leader understood.
“OK, I’m not mentioning it anyplace,” he replied.
   The two leaders had no reason to believe their confidential chat
would ever become public. Yet the Clinton-Barak telephone call that evening,
like all conversations between U.S. presidents and foreign heads of state,
was monitored by a team of note takers sitting at computers in the White
House Situation Room. Last week congressional investigators probing the Rich
pardon received access to National Security Council-prepared transcripts of
three Clinton-Barak conversations that dealt with the Rich pardon. NEWSWEEK
also has reviewed the contents of the transcripts, which were edited by
archivists to exclude matters of Mideast diplomacy. The transcripts offer no
“smoking gun” showing that the former president was motivated by large
donations to his presidential library or by generous campaign contributions.
But the conversations do show that, in sharp contrast to the picture painted
by some of his former aides, Clinton was keenly aware of details of the Rich
case, and appeared determined to grant the highly questionable pardon even
though, as he admitted to Barak, there was “almost no precedent in American
history.”
On the merits, Rich’s case certainly seemed improbable from the
start. Indicted in 1983 on charges of tax fraud and racketeering, the
billionaire commodities broker had fled the country, renounced his U.S.
citizenship and moved to a heavily guarded private enclave in Switzerland
rather than face trial in the United States. In a congressional hearing in
March, a trio of former top aides—White House counsel Beth Nolan, chief of
staff John Podesta and Bruce Lindsey—all testified that they had strenuously
argued against the Rich pardon and even thought they had persuaded their
boss to reject it. But, they said, it was a last-minute appeal from Barak,
Clinton’s partner in the Mideast peace talks, that appeared to turn the
president around. “It certainly seemed he was not going to grant it, and
that Mr. Barak’s phone call had been significant,” Nolan said.

Read the transcript




 The NSC transcripts tell a more complicated story. Barak first
raised the issue with Clinton more than a month earlier, on Dec. 11, 2000.
That same day Jack Quinn, Rich’s lawyer (and a former Clinton White House
counsel), submitted a thick pardon application. It included a personal
letter from Denise Rich, the financier’s ex-wife and a major Democratic
Party contributor who had already donated $450,000 to Clinton’s presidential
library. In the conversation that day, Barak described Rich as a “Jewish
American businessman” who was “making a lot of philanthropic contributions
to Israeli institutions and activities like education.” Barak acknowledged
that Rich had “violated certain rules of the game in the United States.” But
“I just wanted to let you know that here he is highly appreciated,” the
Israeli said. Clinton was hardly caught off guard. “I know about that case
because I know his ex-wife,” Clinton said, referring to Denise Rich. “She
wants to help him, too. If your ex-wife wants to help you, that’s good.”
Barak responded, somewhat inaccurately: “Oh, I know his new wife only, an
Italian woman, very young.”



Rich is a billionaire commodities trader who fled the United States after he
and his companies were indicted by federal prosecutors on numerous counts of
fraud, tax evasion and making false statements. For the past 17 years, he
has lived in Switzerland and has avoided extradition to face the U.S.
charges. He claims to have renounced his U.S. citizenship, though the State
Department says it has no formal record of a request. According to his
attorney, he holds citizenship in Spain and Israel.
His lawyer claims Rich was prosecuted under federal racketeering statutes
that are no longer used. He also says Rich faced criminal charges for what
are generally considered to be civil penalties -- punishible by fines but
not jail. The prosecutors who handled the case insist Rich could still be
prosecuted today under a different set of laws. President Clinton says he
differentiated the original charges 

[CTRL] [PalestineDiary] Rich II Transcript of Conversation between Barak and Clinton (fwd)

2001-08-20 Thread Yardbird

-Caveat Lector-

The Transcript

Three exchanges between former President Bill Clinton and Israeli Prime
Minister Ehud Barak on the Marc Rich pardon


NEWSWEEK

Aug. 27 issue — The following are verbatim notes from conversations between
former President Bill Clinton and former Israeli Prime Minister Ehud Barak
about the pardon of fugitive financier Marc Rich. Other topics were covered
by the two heads of state during their calls, but were edited out of the
transcript.











 Dec. 11, 2000, 6:17 - 6:36 p.m. (in the Residence):
   Prime Minister [Ehud] Barak: Okay, thank you. One last remark. There
is an American Jewish businessman living in Switzerland and making a lot of
philanthropic contributions to Israeli institutions and activities like
education, and he is a man called Mark [sic] Rich. He violated certain rules
of the game in the United States and is living abroad. I just wanted to let
you know that here he is highly appreciated for his support of so many
philanthropic institutions and funds, and that if I can, I would like to
make my recommendation to consider his case.




   President Clinton: I am going to take all of them up at the same
time. I know about that case because I know his ex-wife. She wants to help
him, too. If your ex-wife wants to help you, that’s good.
   Prime Minister Barak: Oh. I know his new wife only, an Italian woman,
very young. Okay. So, Mr. President, thank you very much. We will be in
touch. [Rich’s second wife, Gisela, is actually German.]




   January 8, 2001, 5:57 - 6:15 p.m. (in the Oval Office):
   Prime Minister Barak: Let me tell you last but not least two names I
want to mention. [Redacted] The second is Mark [sic], the Jewish American.
   President Clinton: I know quite a few things about that. I just got a
long memo and am working on it. It’s best that we not say much about that.
   Prime Minister Barak: Okay. I understand. I’m not mentioning it in
any place.
   President Clinton: I understand.
   Prime Minister Barak: I believe it could be important [gap] not just
financially, but he helped Mossad on more than one case.
   President Clinton: It is a bizarre case, and I am working on it.
   Prime Minister Barak: Okay. I really appreciate it.




   January 19, 2001, 2:47 - 3:09 p.m. (in the Oval Office):
   President Clinton: [Redacted] I’m trying to do something on clemency
for Rich, but it is very difficult.
   Prime Minister Barak: Might it move forward?
   President Clinton: I’m working on that but I’m not sure. I’m glad you
asked me about that. When I finish these calls, I will go back into the
meeting on that but I’m glad you raised it. Here’s the only problem with
Rich; there’s almost no precedent in American history. There’s nothing
illegal about it but there’s no precedent. He was overseas when he was
indicted and never came home. The question is not whether he should get it
or not but whether he should get it without coming back here. That’s the
dilemma I’m working through. I’m working on it.
   Prime Minister Barak: Okay.



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Re: [CTRL] Canada and the NRA

2001-08-20 Thread flw

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 please dont say that. Hemp products are lovely, and do not produce a mind
 like hers. its not weed, its stupidity, to think that a country that has a
 ban on guns would not see an NRA sticker on a pickup as a warning sign.
 Imagine a van coming down from BC with a big I SMOKE WEED sticker on the
 back. Wouldn't that be a reason for American customs agents to have a look?

You are wrong. The idiocy is that Canada promotes itself as a sportsman's
paradise. The greatest place in the world to hunt and fish. There are
hundreds of expensive hunting / fishing camps throughout Canada that
cater to US hunters and fishers. It is a large Canadian industry that
employs thousands of Canadians who normally have little employment
opportunity, including many Native Canadians.

If you are trying to attract hunters and fishers, do you go bonkers if
a US hunter drives to Canada in a pick up with an NRA sticker?

What do you think a hunter would have on his vehicle, a save the
whales sticker??
flw

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Re: [CTRL] [PalestineDiary] Clinton's Pardon of Marc Rich, just in time for the , holidays and that rally in support of Israel I (fwd)

2001-08-20 Thread Aleisha Saba

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Don't you think the best question to be answered here is, did Clinton
take a bribe for the pardon?  The case goes on in another Court where I
should have been tried anyway.

Clinton made a legal decision here - he did so without consultiong his
Attorney General obviously.   A pardon, is a pardon and from what was he
pardoned when he had not yet been convicted?

Obviously Rich was Mossad...he did, what he did which was to primarily
line his pockets with money from American taxpayers - he attempted to
break the Steel Workers Union - but look at JJ Cafaro now who will
attempt to destroy James Traficant, US Congressman, on bribes - for he
has turned informer for feds to lighten his sentence?   JJ Cafaro gave
$500,000 to a school who parks in Kringle Park where little Chandra was
checking the scene night or day she disappeared?   JJ Cafaro wanted his
daughter to run for Congress and against whom, maybe James Traficant?

So why is James Traficant going to trial in Federal Court, and guys like
Gary Condit and Clinton are now - the latter now a wanted man for he is
charged with being war criminal?

And so as the stomach turns, life goes on and the sun also rises every
morning - same old corrupters, same sleaze but I say let James Traficant
go, and nail Condit?

For seriously do you think Clinton and Barak are going to do business on
a telephone - a party line telephone with eyes and ears of world tuned
in - which is being recorded, etc, etc, etc.

Now when Mafia wants to nail someone - they get on the telephone
knowning phone line like cornfield, for it has many ears.so they
drop a line like, hey yeah - I had to pay that bastarad (so much money)
and he really has been holding me up.and guess who then is
investigated for bribery, theft in office, etc..those guys are
preetty smart, but nobody talks on a telephone today.

Clinton knew the Mossad was tapping his line for he told his little
playmate Monica, hey the corn has ears.

Saba

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[CTRL] Fwd: Ah So, Doctors of Accupuncture Now Use Hypodermic Needle (my title)

2001-08-20 Thread Aleisha Saba




Ah so, we have barber surgeons and slaughtermen acting as Doctors in
China?  This story is almost terrifying and then think of this thing
called accupuncture.for you see, this was invented before anyone
new that hypodermic needle like snake, could inject either poison or
cure into little bodies or big bodies - now Chinese have to learn not to
recycle needles - like cocain users for in 1930 I have item whereby a
breakdown in the immune system was caused in part by the sharing of
needles by cocaine users?

And these people today make this appear to be something new?

Now consider this - many Chinese Drug companies today - what American
interests are part of these pharmaceuticals - what hidden interests are
thereso Chinese and I am oh so certain their plants and equipment
will be so clean and sanitary - but after all they are making pills of
death - the Chinese Abortion Pill.why the need to keep it clean?

Chinese are such lovely people - in particular, the Red Chinese of this
Century?   Making Abortion Pills for children of Yankee Doodle?

Next time you see the sign Accupuncture wonder - is this trip really
necessary, do they recycle needles?

But then this too is part of the game plan - Chinese Tongs of Terror
American Style?

People do not realize that on Wall Street Pharmaceuticals making it big
time and up, up up while  - say years ago when big drug busts occurred -
it was fun to watch certain big time operators who laundered dirty money
into their business - fun to watch who's stock would fall the
farthest when their Columbian Gold and etc, etc, etc, would be picked
up as they enered certain private docks (also having landing strips for
big pigeons loaded with bi products for the Candy Man)


Saba



August 20, 2001
Doctors' Dirty Needles Spread Hepatitis in China
By ELISABETH ROSENTHAL
Elisabeth Rosenthal/The New York Times

At a huge recycling center in Beijing, a migrant worker who gave his
name as Mr. He reached into a bin and pulled out IV tubes with needles.


SILENT PLAGUE / A special report: Deadly Shadow of AIDS Darkens Remote
Chinese Village (May 28, 2001)

UOPING, China — A worried Dou Zhe rushed into Dr. Wang Yujia's
storefront clinic carrying a precious bundle. He's sick, announced Mr.
Dou, unwrapping layers of colorful blankets from his 2-year-old son, a
chubby, listless boy in a blue jumpsuit. He's normally mischievous, but
since tonight he's hot. He just wants to sleep — he won't eat or
play.

Dr. Wang, a kindly weathered man in a long white coat, determined that
the boy had a red throat and a fever of 102. He had a cold, one that
would almost certainly pass on its own in a few days.

Nonetheless, Dr. Wang drew up what has become an all-too-common rural
Chinese cure — a syringe filled with four different medicines — and
plunged the needle filled with yellow goo into the screaming boy's
behind.

We always come to see him, because he's a good doctor, Mr. Dou, a
construction worker, said with a note of satisfaction. My boy's had
lots of shots.

China's love affair with injections and infusions is becoming a medical
nightmare, spreading illness rather than curing it, experts say.

In large part because syringes and needles are often inadequately
sterilized in rural China, experts say the overuse of medical injections
helps explain the alarming spread of blood-borne infections in China,
particularly hepatitis and, to a lesser extent, AIDS.

Today, 60 percent of Chinese have had hepatitis B, compared with just 1
percent in the United States and Japan. Some 150 million Chinese have
the chronic variety of the infection, which over time causes liver
failure and liver cancer.

To a large extent the very high rate of hepatitis B has to do with
unsafe injections and excessive injection for common illness during
childhood, the United Nations Common Country Assessment for China said
in 1999.

The problem of needless shots is particularly severe in rural areas,
where doctors often have little formal medical training and receive
extra income for each injection they give, and where patients and
doctors alike see shots as a sign of progress.

Dr. Wang, for example, is not really a physician, but a former farmer
who learned his basics when he was appointed a barefoot doctor under
China's Communist system in the 1960's. In all, he has received just two
years of medical training, and that in the mid-1980's, when Western
medicines were not available in the countryside.

And so when a little boy arrives with a cold, he draws up an injection
composed of two antibiotics that are unnecessary and will promote
resistance, an antiviral drug that has no use against the common cold
and a powerful steroid that will only make his immune system less able
to fight infection.

A 2000 survey of medical care in 40 rural counties conducted by Unicef
and the Chinese Health Ministry found that 47 to 65 percent of children
had received injections as treatment for their last cold.

While it is extremely rare 

[CTRL] FC: Feds target Oklahoma good samaritan who noted web security hole (fwd)

2001-08-20 Thread Yardbird

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*

Date: Sat, 18 Aug 2001 14:51:20 -0700
From: Todd Jonz [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Do a good deed, go to jail


Declan,

Just in case you haven't seen it yet, there's a truly frightening
story at:

http://www.linuxfreak.org/post.php/08/17/2001/134.html

about an Oklahoma man who accidentally discovered that his local
newpaper's web server permitted anyone at all to edit its content
using the Front Page client without authentication.  Like any good
samaritan might, he alerted the newspaper's editor of the problem.
Now, sixteen months later and under threat of prosecution, the U.S.
Attorney's office is attempting to coerce him to accept a plea to
a felony conviction and five years probation.  In addition to the
story above see:

http://www.bkw.org/pdf/

for several collateral documents, including correspondence from DOJ
and a detailed description of how this ridiculous travesty unfolded.


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Re: [CTRL] Western Fires Continue to Blaze

2001-08-20 Thread Tenorlove

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 ``For once, we got a fire along a road where we can drive a fire
 engine in
 and squirt water on it,'' Thayer said.

This is what happens as a result of Klintoon's land-grabbing policies,
which created vast roadless areas in the Western forests.

I wonder if these fires were deliberately set in order to drive the
people away to create more wilderness?

Tenorlove

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[CTRL] Air Pollution Study Called 'Editorial,' Not Science (fwd)

2001-08-20 Thread Yardbird

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Air Pollution Study Called 'Editorial,' Not Science
By John Rossomando
CNSNews.com Staff Writer
August 20, 2001

A Carnegie Mellon University study, appearing in the latest issue of the
journal Science, claims more people are being killed by air pollution than
from traffic crashes. However, critics of the study say it has no
credibility and one claims the authors of the study pulled their conclusions
out of a hat.

The Carnegie Mellon study, conducted by visiting Professor Dr. Devra Lee
Davis, claims the burning of gasoline in automobiles has contributed to large
numbers of premature deaths from asthma, heart disease, and lung disorders in
Sao Paulo, Brazil; Mexico City; Santiago, Chile; and New York City.

Associated Press coverage of the issue has also drawn fire. In its story from
last Thursday, the AP, citing the Carnegie Mellon study, reported that 64,000
lives would be saved over the next 20 years in those four cities if
greenhouse gas abatement technologies were used to reduce emissions.
According to A.P., 65,000 cases of chronic bronchitis would also be avoided.

There are more than a thousand studies from 20 countries, all showing that
you can predict a certain death rate based upon the amount of pollution,
Davis told A.P.

However, Dr. Pat Michaels of the University of Virginia's Department of
Environmental Science labels Davis' report an editorial, not a paper,

The core of the [study] comes from non-referenced papers produced by a
lobbying organization, Michaels said. Davis and her colleagues don't even
present their methodology.

Michaels also claims the Associated Press distorted the issue by inaccurately
reporting that Davis' study referred to carbon dioxide as a pollutant.
Michaels says he was unable to find such a claim in the study.

I looked at the [Carnegie Mellon] article and looked for the word carbon
dioxide, and [it is] not in the article, he said. Devra Davis is a smart
person, and she did not put carbon dioxide in her article because she knows
that carbon dioxide is not a pollutant.

A Cato Institute scholar rejects the study's link between premature death and
poor air quality. Steve Milloy, an adjunct fellow with Cato, has written
extensively on the epidemiology related to air pollution, and says he has
been unable to corroborate the scientific claims made in studies similar to
Davis'.

There is [not an existing] study that credibly links air pollution with
premature death, Milloy said. They've never measured the amount of air
pollution that any of the study subjects have been exposed to. They are
missing a lot of lifestyle [questions]. They are very crude studies [that
come up with] very weak statistical results.

Milloy also labels Davis' claim that 64,000 lives would be saved through the
installation of greenhouse gas abatement technologies, complete nonsense.

The studies have very weak statistics, and they are not scientific studies,
Milloy said.

He claims researchers such as Davis use causal connections between mortality
rates and the amount of air pollution to justify their results without
determining which deaths are actually linked to air quality issues.

There are many factors that cause a city to have higher death rates, and
they don't look at other factors, said Milloy.

Milloy addressed a similar study conducted by the Environmental Protection
Agency (EPA) in a 1997 op-ed piece in the Wall Street Journal.

The EPA study used similar variables to the Carnegie Mellon study, and
likewise connected air quality with premature death.

Milloy dismissed the study's findings saying, It turns out that nobody has
demonstrated how airborne particulates could cause higher death rates. Of
course, epidemiology isn't designed to provide information about such
biological mechanisms, but the EPA hasn't come up with any other credible
research to fill in the gap.

Taken in this context, the reported increase in risk [of premature death
from air pollution] is only an artifact of statistics, called a statistical
association, he wrote in 1997. Milloy says the Carnegie Mellon study is
plagued with the same problems as the EPA study he criticized.

Several attempts were made to contact Davis for comment, but she did not
return telephone calls.

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Re: [CTRL] Western Fires Continue to Blaze

2001-08-20 Thread thew

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Wildfires are important
Forests NEED fires - they clear out dead wood, and open up the forest to
sunlight, for new growth. They also spread ash which fertilizes the soil.
Some trees need fire to crack open their seed pods.

to stop fires, is to kill forests.
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   The horn of the Doubt-Goat be exalted
   Dive deeper, ever deeper, into the Abyss of Mind,
 until thou unearth the fox THAT.  On, hounds!
 Yoicks!  Tally-ho!  Bring THAT to bay!
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 ``For once, we got a fire along a road where we can drive a fire
 engine in
 and squirt water on it,'' Thayer said.

 This is what happens as a result of Klintoon's land-grabbing policies,
 which created vast roadless areas in the Western forests.

 I wonder if these fires were deliberately set in order to drive the
 people away to create more wilderness?

 Tenorlove

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[CTRL] Messianic settlers turn mosque into synagogue

2001-08-20 Thread Yardbird

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Green light for provocation = red cloth for terrorism PLEASE PROTEST

GUSH SHALOM - pob 3322, Tel-Aviv 61033 - http://www.gush-shalom.org/

Yesterday in Ma'ariv:
Messianic Lubavitschers (settlers) at the settlement of Sa-Nur in the Nablus
area took over a mosque belonging to Silat A-Daher villagers and transformed it
into a synagogue.

Today on the radio:
Two houses were bulldozered this morning, without warning, by the Jerusalem
Municipality in Beit Hanina (East Jerusalem).

While the Jerusalemers try still to do something on the spot [there came a call
to let anyone who can get there contact Neta Golan  (052-481261) or Arik
Asherman (050-607034)]  we can at least inform you and ask you (yes again!) to
let them know that you will never get used to this and will never stop to
flood their email and fax, and - for you abroad - also send messages to the
Israeli Embassy in your country, AND copies to the world leaders AND to
everybody who can let the madness stop. AND make of it letters to the editor in
your own environment.


proposed text

To Prime Minister Sharon
Foreign Minister Peres
Minister of Defence Ben-Eliezer
copies to:
President George W. Bush
Secretary of State Colin Powell
UN Secretary General Kofi Anan
Members of Knesset
European Union President, Mr. Romano Prodi
Mr. Terje Rod Larsen
Mayor of Jerusalem, Ehud Olmert
Israeli Embassy
Local Press

Dear Prime Minister Sharon

You, who are complaining about President Arafat giving a green light to the
extremist Palestinians, are you giving a green light to provocations by the
extremists on your side?

How will you ever make true on your promise that you would guarantee to the
people of Israel security, when you cannot reign in the provocative mayor of
Jerusalem, and when you cannot control even a bunch of lunatic fringe at the Sa-
Nur settlement who believe that the Lubavitscher rebbe was the Messiah and is
alive still. and who proceed to take over a mosque and transform it into a
synagogue.

By not preventing there illegal actions and not punishing them, you as Prime
Minister are fully responsible for the consequences.

If anything proves the need of international intervention, it is the total lack
of responsibility on the part of a United Nations member state.


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Prime Minister Ariel Sharon
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Israeli Foreign Minister, Shimon Peres
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Israeli Defense Minister, Benyamin Ben Eliezer
Fax: +972-3-6916940, 6976990
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President George W. Bush
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Fax: (202) 456-2461

Secretary of State Colin Powell
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Mr. Terje Rod Larsen
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Palestine Tel: + 972 8 282 2914 Fax: + 972 8 282 0966 Email:
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[CTRL] Fwd: [narconews] Plan Colombia Propaganda Fails (FARC Corrects the Press)

2001-08-20 Thread Kris Millegan






August 20, 2001
Please Distribute Widely

Plan Colombia Propaganda Fails

FARC Corrects the Press

Recent press reports (AP, Reuters, etc.) that claimed a Plan Colombia
military victory over the Revolutionary Armed Forces of Colombia (FARC) were
corrected today by the insurgent organization through the ANNCOL news
agency.

The ANNCOL story also reviews previous operations by the Colombian armed
forces -- in the 1960s, 70s, 80s and 90s -- that similarly claimed victory
over the FARC, the world's largest and eldest insurgent organization.

All they can say is that we are alive, that we continue to bother them,
that we remain on our feet and in combat until the ultimate victory, and
that they await our official announcement of victory.

 -- Gabriel Angel
FARC Issues Commission

Narco News translates the ANNCOL agency's story:

http://www.narconews.com/

Stay Tuned for a Special Report About an Inauthentic Journalist:

New York Times' Juan Forero: Apologist for Atrocities

from somewhere in a country called América,

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Publisher
The Narco News Bulletin
http://www.narconews.com/
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[CTRL] Holey Land 1%-ers

2001-08-20 Thread Euphorian

-Caveat Lector-

From
http://www.middleeastwire.com/newswire/stories/20010814_2_meno.shtml

}}Begin
Middle East Newswire
Zionism Equals Racism? You Be the Judge
Middle East News Online
By Sherri Muzher, Middle East News Online Reporter
Posted Monday August 13, 2001 - 06:05:14 PM EDT
Civil rights and human rights activists have been looking forward to August
31, 2001.
This day will mark the first day of the World Conference Against Racism,
Racial Discrimination, Xenophobia, and Racial Intolerance. The conference is
taking place in Durban, South Africa, a fitting place for such important
issues. Discussion topics range from Trafficking in Women and Children to
Racism against Indigenous People, and it already promises to be a
memorable time. In fact, the world soap opera has already begun.
Sadly, the United States has threatened to boycott the World Conference on
Racism if condemnation of Israel or Zionism - the movement behind the
creation of the modern state of Israel - is included in a conference
declaration. The ideology is so controversial and smacks of so much racial
supremacy, that the United Nations General Assembly passed Resolution
3379 on November 10, 1975, stating that Zionism is a form of racism and
discrimination. The resolution also noted the unholy alliance between
South African racism and Zionism. The resolution was repealed in 1991. The
usual politics at work.
But Israelis will argue that the UN has always been anti-Israel. We'll forget
that the UN issued a resolution giving 55% of Palestine for a Jewish state in
1947 even though Palestine's Jewish occupants owned less than 10% of the
land.
How about these memorable quotes? After we become a strong force as the
result of the creation of the state, we shall abolish partition and expand to
the whole of Palestine. The state will only be a stage in the realization of
Zionism and its task is to prepare the ground for our expansion. The state
will have to preserve order - not by preaching but with machine guns. -- First
Israeli Prime Minister, David Ben-Gurion, 1938.
It is the duty of Israeli leaders to explain to public opinion, clearly and
courageously, a certain number of facts that are forgotten with time. The first
of these is that there is no Zionism, colonialization, or Jewish State without
the eviction of the Arabs and the expropriation of their lands. -- Yoram Bar
Porath, Yediot Aahronot, of July 14, 1972.
[The Palestinians are] beasts walking on two legs. -Israeli Prime Minister
and Nobel Peace Prize winner, Menachem Begin, speech to the Knesset,
quoted in Amnon Kapeliouk, Begin and the Beasts, New Statesman, June
25, 1982.
What is the difference between the way in which the Jewish people
struggles to remain what it is in the midst of a non-Jewish population, and
the way the Afrikaners try to stay what they are? -- Henry Katzew, South
Africa: a Country Without Friends, Die Transvaler, quoted by R. Stevens in
Zionism, South Africa and Apartheid.
Still not convinced? Let's consider a list of some of Israeli policies toward
Palestinians. When Jewish settler and doctor, Baruch Goldstein, murdered
29 Muslims at the Ibrahimi Mosque in Hebron, a curfew was imposed on the
130,000 Palestinian residents and not the 500 illegal Jewish settlers.
When a Jewish settler confessed last year to killing a Palestinian child in the
West Bank and even pressing his shoe against the young boy's neck, he
received a trial, enjoyed the services of an attorney, and served less than a
year in jail. Palestinian murder suspects generally don't have the opportunity
of a trial, no access to an attorney, and yet are sentenced for many years in
jail. Recently, Israel has begun a policy of assassinating Palestinians
suspected of illegal activities. .
.without a trial.
Israeli citizens and illegal Jewish settlers drive with yellow license plates,
which allow them freedom to travel throughout the Holy Land. Palestinians
drive with license plates that are different, making their cars easily
identifiable and subjecting the drivers and passengers to rigorous questioning
by Israeli border patrolmen. Mercifully, Palestinians are not made to wear a
patch on their clothing. But the ethnic identifier in the form of colored license
plates will do.
Israel has a law called the Law of Return, which allows Jews to return to
Israel after what many Jews consider is a 2,000 year absence. Palestinians
forced to leave Palestine in 1948 are still unable to return to their homes,
after only 53 years. Many on the Israeli political Right are also well-known for
their stance that Palestinian refugees may not even reside in a future
Palestinian state. The Palestinians are the world's largest single group of
refugees for the longest remaining time today.
Non-Jewish Israelis cannot buy or lease land in Israel. Laws of racial
preference are defacto definitions of racism.
Despite the Oslo Accords, an average of 37, 500 dunums of Palestinian land
was confiscated every month for Jewish 

[CTRL] Sins of the Sons

2001-08-20 Thread Euphorian

-Caveat Lector-

From
http://www.themercury.news.com.au/printpage/0,5942,2641486,00.html

}}Begin
Print this page
Suicide bomber families targeted
Jerusalem
21aug01
ISRAEL'S deputy minister for internal security, Gideon Ezra, said yesterday
security forces should liquidate the fathers of Palestinian suicide bombers
to discourage further kamikaze attacks.
The would-be suicide bomber should know that his close relatives risk
paying for his crime or even being liquidated, the hardline member of Prime
Minister Ariel Sharon's Likud party said on national television.

Yes, the fathers should be liquidated to prevent the sons perpetrating
suicide operations, said the former high-ranking official of the internal
security service Shin Beth.

The fathers know perfectly well what their sons are up to and they could
stop them, he said after his interviewer accused him of advocating state
terrorism.

Israel was shocked by two recent suicide bombings in Jerusalem and Haifa which left 17 
dead, including the bombers, and more than 100 wounded.

Security forces arrested two members of the hardline Islamic Jihad movement on Friday 
as they were heading off to commit another nightclub bombing.

Israel has already run into widespread international criticism for its policy of 
killing suspected Palestinian militants it says the Palestinian authorities have 
refused to arrest.

The campaign has killed nine members of the radical group Hamas in the past month, 
while two members of Palestinian leader Yasser Arafat's Fatah movement were killed by 
Israeli forces last week.

Meanwhile, the UN Security Council prepared yesterday to discuss ways to end the 
Palestinian uprising in the West Bankand Gaza after another day of violence in which 
six Palestinians died as top leaders on both sides call
ed for negotiations.

Palestinian sources said six Palestinians were killed yesterday and at least 12 others 
injured by Israeli fire in separate incidents in the West Bank and Gaza Strip, though 
Israel denied responsibility for one incident in
 which a father and his two children died.

As the UN Security Council prepared to consider a Palestinian plea for international 
observers, top Israeli and Palestinian leaders called for negotiations to end the 
cycle of Middle East violence.

We want resumption of negotiations unconditionally, chief Palestinian negotiator 
Saeb Erekat told ABC's This Week program, urging Israeli Foreign Minister Shimon Peres 
to take up his offer.

Mr Peres, who appeared on the same program, said the parties should return to the 
negotiating table and air out our differences like between two parties that deal with 
the story honourably and rightly.

I am trying my very best to bring back the parties to a reasonable contact, and, you 
know, I don't belong to the people who think that everything is lost, the Israeli 
Foreign Minister said.

The meeting of the Security Council was expected to be contentious as both Israel and 
the US have expressed scepticism the United Nations was the right venue to resolve the 
Middle East crisis.

But the US found itself under increased pressure to undertake new energetic steps to 
end the Middle East violence.

Without the US there will be no solution, Egyptian Foreign Minister Ahmed Maher told 
The Washington Post in an interview.

He indicated that if Washington could persuade Israel to halt its strikes
against Palestinian targets and resume the peace talks, Egypt and other
Arab countries could lean on the Palestinians to make them more
accommodating.

Agence France-Presse
privacy policy
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[CTRL] Deputies Sue Driver They Beat

2001-08-20 Thread Yardbird

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-- Forwarded message --
Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2001 12:43:31 -0500
From: The Republican [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Subject: Deputies Sue Driver They Beat

[Note: To all those law honoring law enforcement and corrections
officers
who are members of this list, or personal friends, or both.  I realize that
the type of incidents described below, and in other articles sent to this
list, do not represent the majority of officers or jurisdictions.  However,
the loss of respect for individual rights, the principle of innocence until
proven guilt, and the subsequent abuse of police power, is growing daily in
this nation and must be opposed.  My personal opinion is that most officers
realize that this trend towards a police state is also a threat to their
freedoms and liberties as well.  Incidents of police abuse makes the job of
decent officers that much more difficult, and you will hear the term
de-policing, where decent officers hesitate to uphold rightful law for
fear of being labeled a racist or as an abuser.  The decent law honoring
officers of this nation need and deserve our support, we would indeed be in
trouble without them.  We often find ourselves in situations where law
enforcement is asked to enforce bad, or illegal, laws, while ignoring the
enforcement of lawful laws. - Tony]



Deputies Sue Diabetic Driver They Beat After Traffic Stop
August 10, 2001 10:07am


Two Frederick County sheriff's deputies are suing a diabetic man they beat
after a traffic stop, contending his complaints about the incident hurt
their careers.

Eric J. Winer and Jeffrey A. Norris are seeking more than $68,000 from
Frederick T. Tom Moore IV of Virginia in a lawsuit moved last week to
U.S. District Court in Baltimore. Moore filed a multimillion-dollar lawsuit
in federal court last year, accusing the officers of violating his civil
rights.

Both lawsuits stem from a June 12, 1998 incident, in which the deputies
suspected Moore of drunken driving before discovering he was suffering from
diabetic shock.

Court records indicate the officers chased Moore's Toyota truck about nine
miles on Route 15 in Frederick County before they were able to block and
stop him.

When Moore still failed to heed their commands - doctors later said he was
slipping into a diabetic coma - the deputies broke a window to his truck,
doused him with pepper spray, beat him with a police baton and sent a
police dog into the truck.

Only after Moore was removed from the truck did the officers notice a card
identifying the driver as a diabetic hanging from the truck's rearview
mirror, the officers' complaint says, whereupon they immediately called for
medical help.

Moore spent four days in the hospital for dog bites and other wounds from
the beating, but the officers' complaint says he apologized to them for
any harm he may have caused at the emergency room.

The incident prompted a local grand jury inquiry and investigations by the
U.S. Justice Department and the FBI for possible civil rights violations.
None of the probes led to criminal charges.

In their lawsuit, however, the officers say the inquiries and publicity
portrayed them unfairly. They contend Moore's criticism of them in media
interviews was highly offensive, considering they had prevented serious
harm, injury and/or death to Moore.




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Re: [CTRL] Sins of the Sons

2001-08-20 Thread Aleisha Saba

-Caveat Lector-

Now here we get down to the ritual murder - right?   The sins (or
iniquities) of the fathers visited upon the children, now the sins of
the children to be visited on the fathers and families - and I thought
of that old line, a line which was said to me so many times thirty years
ago

Hey, you got kids, you got family.And this is Mafia Stuff but then
you wonder - hey, they got kids and they got family too?

So now the US is put into a position it is said in this item where we
must enter into a fight that has been going on for over 2 thousand
years.

I know how to stop the fight - you go to head Honcho in Israel and say -
hey big mouth, we are cutting off the welfare.

And Arafat is so old, he is dying - you go to him and say - hey got
kids, got family?

At least that is what I would do - this Peres sounds better every day,
wih this good guy and bad guy routine.

Palestinians aat times seem like innocent children but they are like the
innocent children in Viet Nam who would approach the GI Joes with a
smile, and hold out their little hands with a live grenade ready to
go...

And then I would go to the UN and say - hey, got a nice building for you
in the Great State of Israel - Move Buster, and keep the peace for we
are out of here.

O'Saba

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[CTRL] Viability of stem cell plan doubted

2001-08-20 Thread Amelia

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. Cell lines can crash - or die - at any moment, or they can
spontaneously turn into specialized cells, rendering them useless
for later work. In addition, there are subtle genetic differences
between each cell line, differences that can affect their behavior
and utility in research.  Or they can turn into hair/teeth instead
of the desired organ as has already happened in one experiment.
Could the difference in the count of existing lines come from the
fact that 3 are required for any growth of consequence so maybe 60
should read 20.  And note some are already creating new embryos
exclusively to be destroyed and used for similar research in
private companies. Note, too, cures are not being claimed, only
'treatments' which sounds like products for enriching the
pharmaceutical companies to me.  So before the ink is dry, more
lines are needed and the slope just became more slippery.

The wealthy and celebs already have their DNA safely stored
awaiting cloning.  Do you?  Do you mind paying for theirs?  Would
you mind being a clone whose organs are for harvesting?  The number
of people, even in this country, without access to even basic
healthcare is alarming and those who think the 'benefits' of this
research are ever going to reach the masses are deluding
themselves, IMHO.  Oh, sure, a procedure or two may eventually be
incorporated into standard practices but like all truly advanced
technology, most will never see any benefit at all.  And as the
demand grows for more material as it already has done, the
contributions may become more than financial.  So the 'limited'
plan just will not do at all and another must be devised quickly so
let's see what they come up with next.  Should be very telling.

~Amelia~


Viability of stem cell plan doubted

 Bush policy could limit research, scientists say
August 9 - President Bush announces his policy on embryonic stem
cell research.


By Ceci Connolly, Justin Gillis and Rick Weiss
THE WASHINGTON POST
WASHINGTON, Aug. 20 -  Mounting uncertainties about the quantity
and quality of embryonic stem cells available for research under a
new Bush administration policy have persuaded many biologists that
the president's approach poses serious constraints for the
development of new medical treatments for diseases such as
Parkinson's, diabetes and stroke.


 Requests from lawmakers and news organizations that the White
House document its claim of 60 cell lines have gone unanswered.

 SKEPTICISM AMONG those scientists focuses on the existing
stocks of stem cells available for research. Under Bush's
guidelines, federal dollars may be used to study the versatile and
medically promising cells only if they came from donated fertility
clinic embryos that were already destroyed by Aug. 9.
   Bush said at least 60 self-replenishing colonies, or
 lines, of such cells existed by that date, a number four times
greater than many scientists were aware of. But the National
Institutes of Health has yet to produce information about the lines
or their producers, feeding speculation that many of those 60 do
not exist, are of poor quality or are under such tight commercial
control as to make them unattractive to researchers hoping to study
and perhaps profit from them.
   NIH officials have asked scientists to be patient,
reassuring them that plenty of cells are available and promising
that details will soon be forthcoming. But contrary to predictions
made by top government officials, only a few companies or
laboratories have emerged after Bush's announcement to say publicly
that they, too, have eligible cell lines.
   And new questions have begun to arise about the adequacy of
the consent processes used to obtain the cells and the racial
diversity of the available cells - a factor that could ultimately
affect the availability of stem cell-based therapies for some
minorities.

   The number and variety of cell lines available is important
because stem cells are highly finicky and quite volatile. Cell
lines can crash - or die - at any moment, or they can
spontaneously turn into specialized cells, rendering them useless
for later work. In addition, there are subtle genetic differences
between each cell line, differences that can affect their behavior
and utility in research.
   To limit researchers to 60 cell lines, critics say, is like
telling mathematicians they can pursue their studies but they can
never use numbers bigger than 10.
   I think it's a ridiculous policy, said George Daley, a
leading stem cell researcher at the Whitehead Institute for
Biomedical Research in Cambridge, Mass. Evan Snyder, another stem
cell expert at the Harvard Medical School, called Bush's approach
scientifically naive.

NIH SEEKS COOPERATION
   The NIH has not yet produced any information on the
condition of the 60 cell lines, a critical issue for scientists
aiming to work with them. And the agency appears to have only
sketchy information on whether the cell lines 

[CTRL] Fwd: Dallas Texas Theatre to Be Renovated (JFK)

2001-08-20 Thread PLSroufe
"Since the general civilization of mankind, I believe there are more
instances of the abridgment of the freedom of the people, by gradual and
silent encroachments of those in power, than by violent and sudden
usurpations." - James Madison, speech in the Virginia Convention, Richmond,
Virginia, June 6, 1788

AB

To Keep the Peace,
Keep Your Piece!


JFK News 8-20-01

In this issue:
1.  Texas Theatre to be renovated.
2. 2 news items from the JFK Library


Texas Theatre to Be Renovated

By The Associated Press,
DALLAS (AP) - A nonprofit branch of the Oak Cliff Chamber of Commerce has
bought the landmark Texas Theatre, where Lee Harvey Oswald was arrested after
President John F. Kennedy's assassination in 1963.
The Oak Cliff Foundation plans to renovate the structure, which has been
unused for five years, and open it as a community center and playhouse.

It is expected to become an attraction for theatergoers and tourists
interested in Kennedy's assassination, said Harry Swanson, Dallas' economic
development director.

The foundation bought the theater for $400,000 from Texas Rosewin Midway
Properties, a California company.

The historic building, designed by theater architect W. Scott Dunne in
Italian Renaissance style, opened in 1931.

Through the years, several plans to buy and refurbish it have been
unsuccessful.

Reopening the theater will help stimulate Oak Cliff's revitalization, said
Monte Anderson, president of the Oak Cliff Foundation.

``Oak Cliff is going through a renaissance as we speak,'' Anderson told The
Dallas Morning News. ``As the tide rises, so do all ships.''

There are 2 news items from the JFK Library

1.) http://www.jfklibrary.org/pr_papers_2001.html

News Advisory
For Immediate Release: August 10, 2001
Further Information: Tom McNaught: (617) 929-1230
Kennedy Library Opens Four Collections of Personal Papers


Boston, MA – Researchers, libraries, members of the press, and members of the
public are advised that the John F. Kennedy Library has processed and made
available for research three additional collections of personal papers of
individuals associated with the administration of President John F. Kennedy.
A fourth collection of personal papers will be available by summer’s end. The
Library’s holdings currently include 246 collections of personal papers.

The Personal Papers of George W. Ball, Under Secretary of State for Economic
Affairs, 1961 and the Under Secretary of State, 1961-1966 have been opened
for research. The nine boxes in this collection consist of one series:
Memoranda of telephone conversations between Ball and his numerous
professional colleagues and contacts. The documents in this collection cover
the period from 1961 to 1963 and are arranged alphabetically by subject.
Highlights of the collection include activities of the Department of State
during the Kennedy administration.

The Personal Papers of Richard N. Goodwin, Assistant Special Counsel and
speechwriter to President Kennedy, 1961; Deputy Assistant Secretary of State
for Inter-American affairs, 1961-1962; Director, International Peace Corps
Secretariat, 1962-1964 have been opened for research. This collection
consists of memoranda, correspondence, position papers, proposals, reports,
meetings minutes, speeches and drafts, created and collected by Richard N.
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arranged alphabetically by subject. Highlights of the collection include
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The Personal Papers of Ralph A. Dungan, Special Assistant to the President,
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[CTRL] Interested in homeschooling?

2001-08-20 Thread PLSroufe
NOTE - To ensure your Kid does not become a Sheep I urge you not to enroll 
him/her in the Marxist-controlled corrupt government 'fool' system! The 
Pinko teachers are now teaching kids the details of the homosexual lifestyle. 
Exercising informed choices regarding your child's welfare is a major 
responsibility of the Parent. If circumstances require government shooling, 
then make certain you know the subjects being taught your kid and opt-out of 
immoral classes.
To take back our Country, we must first take back our schools.
AB

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[CTRL] China prosecutes Internet entrepreneur

2001-08-20 Thread Steve Wingate

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China prosecutes Internet entrepreneur

By JOHN LEICESTER, Associated Press

BEIJING (August 17, 2001 4:46 p.m. EDT) - Defiantly flashing an OK sign
to his family, the Webmaster of an Internet site that published writings about
democracy has been tried in China in a case that highlights the government's
determination to stamp out online dissent.

No verdict or sentencing date was announced for Huang Qi, who stood trial in
a closed-door two-hour session Tuesday at the Chengdu Intermediate Court,
said his father-in-law, who asked to be identified only by his surname, Zeng.

The completion of the trial, which was postponed in February in an apparent
effort to avoid spoiling Beijing's winning campaign for the 2008 Summer
Olympics, comes as China is tightening its already stringent controls on
cyberspace.

Huang is the first Chinese Webmaster known to have been prosecuted for
publishing political materials.

He was arrested in June 2000 after his site carried articles about an
outlawed would-be opposition party, the Tiananmen Square protests, the
banned Falun Gong spiritual sect and other topics deemed subversive by
prosecutors.

Many government ministries have their own Web sites, but China's
communist leaders are keen to harness the economic, educational and
technological potential of the Internet.

Internet bars - called wangba in China and often just a few computers
hooked up in the back rooms of mom-and-pop stores - have sprung up in
cities and towns throughout the country. Many Chinese Internet pursuits are
innocent; online computer games and chatrooms are popular.

But the government fears the Internet is also providing a forum for political
dissent, giving voice to critics who otherwise have had few ways to make
themselves heard. Falun Gong has used the Internet to publicize the deaths
and torture of practitioners in custody. Online pornographers are also skirting
government bans.

A senior Chinese leader, Vice Premier Li Lanqing, on Thursday ordered a
crackdown on Internet bars he said are letting in minors and providing
electronic games with unhealthy content as well as other criminal activities,
the Communist Party newspaper People's Daily reported Friday.

Huang and his wife started the Web site - www.6-4tianwang.com - in 1999 to
publicize information about missing people. But the site's name also made it
a magnet for information the government dislikes. In Chinese, 6-4 is
shorthand for June 4 - the date in 1989 when China's military ousted
protesters from Tiananmen Square, killing hundreds along the way.

This is a bellwether case for the development of the Internet in China,
Huang's father-in-law, Zeng, said Friday.

Zeng said he and his daughter - Huang's wife, Zeng Li - had learned from
lawyers that the trial was underway and were only able to see him in a
passageway leading to court.

Zeng said his daughter shot a photograph of Huang, but that bailiffs
confiscated her film. We wanted a picture, Zeng said, because it could be
a decade before we're able to see him again.

Huang, 37, appeared to have lost considerable weight, but smiled, flashed
an OK hand sign and told them to be at ease, Zeng said in a telephone
interview from Huang's offices in Chengdu. He was thin, but seemed to be in
good spirits.

As the Internet has expanded in China, so have official restrictions. The
government has issued at least 60 sets of regulations aimed at controlling
Internet content since 1995, Human Rights Watch said in an Aug. 1 report.
The New York-based group cited the names of 15 people detained or
sentenced in Internet-related cases, many for posting or downloading
political materials.

Huang was accused of inciting the overthrow of state power and the
destruction of national unity. Conviction can bring a prison term of up to five
years, or longer if judges deem the crimes particularly serious.

Huang's wife says he did not post the articles prosecutors say were
subversive. A statement on the couple's Web site says Huang lost control of
content when the site moved to a U.S.-based server in April 2000.

Zeng, the father-in-law, said Huang's lawyers told them judges would now
report their opinions to a Communist Party legal committee, which would
issue a verdict. He said bailiffs told them Huang's case was political and
that he could face 10 years or longer in jail.

The officer said that it's no big deal, that Huang wasn't a murderer or
arsonist and that he ought to be out in a few years with good behavior, Zeng
said.


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Re: [CTRL] TIGHT SECURITY 4 RENO'S VISIT 2 WACO (9/13)

2001-08-20 Thread Tenorlove

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--
 By CHRISTINA MINOR

Any relation to Linda Minor, who often contributes to this group?

Tribune-Herald staff writer
 When former U.S. Attorney General Janet Reno arrives in Waco next
 month, the
 police will be ready.

 Chief Jim Doak of the Baylor University Public Safety Department said
 security plans are in the works for her visit but he would not detail
 what
 those plans are.

Has anyone seen Lon Horiuchi's calendar for Sept. 13?

 Protesters are
 expected at the public event, Doak said, and he already has talked
 with one
 group. However, he would not name the group.

They will need more security at the protests, especially if Andrew X98
and Clive Doyle cross paths.

  local
 government and business leaders concluded she could bring closure

In other words, make the final conclusions so everyone could move on
and stop questioning what happened and who did it.

and
 an
 interesting historical perspective about the 1993 Branch Davidian
 siege.

Read: continuing cover-up.

 Reno
 will address the importance of public service

Especially for the children.

 and 76 sect
 members
 died on April 19, 1993.

The Waco Holocaust Electronic Museum
http://www.mnsinc.com/SkyWriter/WacoMuseum/death/map/d_list00.html
lists 81 autopsy reports. There were 2 women known to be pregnant among
the dead; the Davidians, who were stauncly pro-life, would have counted
the unborn children as persons, and added them to the body count.

She later said she would not have approved
 the tear
 gas if she had known deaths would occur.

Did she go to public school?

A federal judge ruled last
 year that
 Davidian leader David Koresh was solely responsible for the deaths.

Yep. Good ol' David, drove the tanks, piloted the choppers, fired the
machine guns, set up the shape charge on top of the concrete room, and
sawed his own arms and legs off, all while shooting and incinerating 80
other people, who went down without a whimper of protest.

 The
 Ferrell Center can hold up to 6,500 people for Reno's speech.

6000 of them will be either local cops or feds.

 Audience
 members will be able to submit written questions that will be
 screened by a
 group of faculty members. Approved questions will be passed on to
 Sloan, who
 will moderate a question-and-answer session with Reno.

Insuring no embarrassing questions, the answers to which might involve
telling the truth.

 Inviting Reno to speak at the forum is an effort by Baylor to
 strike
 a balance between the left and the right,

If they are like every other college in this country, the only way to
balance left and right is to bring in someone like Joerg Haider (using
him to illustrate the point, not an endorsement of him or his ideas).

Tenorlove


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Re: [CTRL] TIGHT SECURITY 4 RENO'S VISIT 2 WACO (9/13)

2001-08-20 Thread Amelia

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Even if Reno attended public school, it was well known that the
exact compound used against the Dravidians was highly flammable.
Below is the link to an article on prior police experience with
such as used against the members of MOVE resulting in just such a
conflagration as happened at Waco and burning down 60 homes in the
surrounding area!  One would think someone in her position would
remember such a disaster.
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Re: [CTRL] Western Fires Continue to Blaze

2001-08-20 Thread Aleisha Saba

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Think about this Tenorlove - some of othe trees burned in fires last
year were over 200 years old.

Then consider Iran in drought - and Israel in advance prepared to pipe
in water from Turkey?

See how these people operate but this drought in Iran could only be
caused by Weather War against the innocents.

California has felt this but I say it was in 1986 I discovered, the
reason the scientists, were einvolved in such a program - they were
worried about hurricanes in Florida and this is why one in particular
hovered and was crossed over Cuba four times?   Got to  Save Naples from
weather holocaust and Palm Springs?

Hey as Joshua would say - what about the trailer trash - who cares?

Note in mid west many children and people lost all of their possessions
and the trailer camps were always hit the hardest.

Weather War is now a state of the art weapon.but it is a two edged
sword and as they say it cuts both ways.

Those planned water lines from Turkey to Israel for the Israeli's
swimming pools can be cut off and big snake - into 13 different places.

Note Siberia is still freezing and if California and Florida as
prophesied will fall into the drink - warning to friends get the hell
out now.

For even the world shakers and earth movers, might have taken on a
little more than for which they bargained?

Those that sow the clouds, always reap the whirlwinds.

Saba

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[CTRL] Local schools? Don't make me laugh!

2001-08-20 Thread Yardbird

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Excerpt:

Today's school children are no longer really in school to learn the basics
that will prepare them for useful lives. They are in school to be
indoctrinated by the National Education Association's socialist agenda.

They are there to be deliberately dumbed down to a point where they are
largely useless to those who employ them for any reason. And your
government is preparing to expand its control over your schools through
billions of dollars in grants and mandated testing programs that will force
teachers to teach to the test, thus leaving them as ignorant as stone age
cave people. 




Local schools? Don't make me laugh!

By Alan Caruba
web posted August 20, 2001

http://www.enterstageright.com/archive/articles/0801/0801localschools.htm

As parents prepare to send their children back to school, more and more of
them at some point discover that their local school board has no control
whatever over what is taught in their schools. They discover that the
schools are controlled by a combination of the teacher's unions and the
federal government. A recent Wall Street Journal editorial revealed that
secret documents show that the National Education Association has become
the Democratic Party.

House Majority Whip, Tom DeLay (R-TX), has said that he wished he had not
voted for The Elementary and Secondary Education Act that authorizes
federal grants to local public schools kindergarten through 12th grades. I
came here to eliminate the Department of Education, said DeLay, so it was
very hard for me to vote for something that expands the department, but
this is one of his (Bush's) big agenda items. DeLay, loyal to his
President and his Party, did not want to be an obstructionist, but now he
hopes the bill dies in a conference committee. I do, too. You should as
well.

As reported in The Wall Street Journal, Last year, Congress approved $18.5
billion in grants for primary and secondary education. The House version of
this year's bill would up that 24% to $23 billion, while the Senate version
hikes it 122% to $41 billion. Both versions would require states to
administer federally approved tests in addition to the statewide tests they
already administer. The Senate bill would mandate the states use the
National Assessment of Education Progress test. In short, children from
one end of America to another would all be learning exactly what the
Department of Education determines, not your state's department of
education and not your local school board.

This system is a total failure. Writing in the Los Angeles Times on August
3rd, Richard Lee Colvin, their education reporter said Despite a decade of
progress in mathematics, only about one in four students in the fourth and
eighth grades demonstrates a solid grasp of math topics normally taught in
those grades. This finding was based on the National Assessment of
Educational Progress administered in 2000. The worst performers on the test
were Black and Hispanic students, but the other kids didn't do much better.

Suffice it to say that the progress measured by the test has, for years
now, demonstrated that children passing through our schools simply are (1)
not being taught the fundamentals of reading, writing, and arithmetic and
(2) are most certainly not learning whatever it is they are being taught.
They consistently lag behind children in foreign nations receiving
instruction in these same topics.

Despite this dismal record of performance, the only answer President Bush
and Congress offers is to throw more and more billions at a totally failed
system.

What are children learning? Here's what syndicated columnist, Linda Bowles,
revealed in a recent edition of The Washington Times some of the things
being taught in our nation's classrooms these days. To wit, teachers are
underpaid, God is irrelevant, big business is ruining the environment,
society---not the criminal---is responsible for crime, Thomas Jefferson was
a racist, 2 plus 2 equals whatever, competition is destructive. Further,
students learn that the Boy Scouts, the Catholic Church, and Southern
Baptists are all hate groups and that the government is the source from
which all blessings flow, high taxes are good for America, and that
equality is more important than excellence.

Today's school children are no longer really in school to learn the basics
that will prepare them for useful lives. They are in school to be
indoctrinated by the National Education Association's socialist agenda.

They are there to be deliberately dumbed down to a point where they are
largely useless to those who employ them for any reason. And your
government is preparing to expand its control over your schools through
billions of dollars in grants and mandated testing programs that will force
teachers to teach to the test, thus leaving them as ignorant as stone age
cave people.

Alan Caruba writes a weekly column, Warning Signs, posted on the Internet
site of The National Anxiety Center, and others. © Alan 

Re: [CTRL] Local schools? Don't make me laugh!

2001-08-20 Thread Aleisha Saba

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You control your local schools through your local elected School Boards
- dull jobs, but then now that things are heating up a bit it is about
time we took on the union they call the NEA - and put them in their
place.

The Superintendent of Schools answers to the School Board and the School
Board, answers to the people.

We had this NEA move into the local democrat club in the 60 period and
oh the poor mouth, and oh how persecuted they all were as they managed
or rather tired, to take over our Club.  They failed.

We just had a female teacher arrested and charged with molesting a
childwill the NEA protect her - well in this town, you do not get
away with this crap and they never will for this person, is history -
now keep in mind Paula Poundstone this poor woman got drunk and molested
one of her adopted chidren.so before the cops could get to her
house to arrest her she hid in a rehab house..poor Paula and now who
will Rosie play with on PBS.

Note this year people are not being so generous with your local PBS
stations at their daily beg-a-thons (I love that term which an old
friend used to use).

So on local level give them hell..I still remember my mother taking
on a corrupted school board who was chisling in building of schools -
she gave them a run for her money, and won..one person can move a
mountain,but it does take a village of idiots to prescribe sodomy
classes in any school - a village of idiots and sodimists.

Everybody wants to start at the top of the pyramid but remember when at
top, no place to go but down with many unfinished plans.

Start at bottom and work up and see how they run.

Have a School Board condoning teaching of sodomy to little children -
when all else fails, get out the tar and feathersfiguratively - and
color them all out.

Saba

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[CTRL] CIA Played Major Role In IRA Colombia Arrests

2001-08-20 Thread William Shannon
http://www.sbpost.ie/sbpost/story.jsp?story=WCContent;id-23887



Colombia: CIA played major role


By Barry O'Kelly
Dublin , Ireland, 19 August, 2001

The American Central Intelligence Agency played a prominent role in the 
investig-ation into three Irishmen being held on suspicion of training 
Colombian guerrillas, Garda Special Branch sources have told The Sunday 
Business Post.

Detectives said they were largely unaware of the activities of the three men 
who visited the Farc guerrillas until they were contacted by overseas 
intelligence sources.

"It was mainly a CIA job," said one officer.

The evidence against the three men, Niall Connolly, Martin McCauley and James 
Monaghan, is in question. It was confirmed yesterday that no traces of any 
drugs have been found on the men -- contrary to earlier claims by the 
Colombian military. 

The Colombian government prosecutor's office also confirmed that the three 
did not make any confessions and that there was no video evidence against 
them. 

It is believed that at least one of the men was wearing his own clothes 
during the police line-up footage this week. 

This would seem to suggest that he, at least, was not suspected of having 
traces of explosives on his clothes.

Two of the men, Martin McCauley (37) and Jim Monaghan (56), have criminal 
convictions and were said by Special Branch officers to be "Provos" who were 
presumed to be inactive until they appeared in Colombia.

The third man, Niall Connolly (36), was listed by gardai as a "Sinn Fein 
activist", a relatively lowly status in garda terms. However, republican 
sources say he was never a member of Sinn Fein and was never arrested or 
questioned by the Garda.

Senior gardai say that, contrary to media reports, Garda Commissioner Pat 
Byrne did not refer to the three men as "known members of the Provisional 
IRA".

Sources said that Monaghan was under daily surveillance until June when he 
left his job with Tar Isteach, a job creation club for ex-prisoners based in 
Dominick Street, Dublin, when he flew to Colombia.

Fas said this weekend that Monaghan was a project leader and the agency had 
contributed £21,000 towards his wages under a scheme established under the 
Good Friday Agreement. 






[CTRL] EU Secret Network To Spy On Protesters

2001-08-20 Thread William Shannon
http://news.independent.co.uk/world/europe/story.jsp?story=89632



EU's secret network to spy on anti-capitalist protesters

By Stephen Castle in Brussels

European leaders have ordered police and intelligence agencies to co-ordinate 
their efforts to identify and track the anti-capitalist demonstrators whose 
violent protests at recent international summits culminated in the shooting 
dead by police of a young protester at the Genoa G8 meeting last month.

The new measures clear the way for protesters travelling between European 
Union countries to be subjected to an unprecedented degree of surveillance.

Confidential details of decisions taken by Europe's interior ministers at 
talks last month show that the authorities will use a web of police and 
judicial links to keep tabs on the activities and whereabouts of protesters. 
Europol, the EU police intelligence-sharing agency based in The Hague that 
was set up to trap organised criminals and drug traffickers, is likely to be 
given a key role.

The plan has alarmed civil rights campaigners, who argue that personal 
information on people who have done no more than take part in a legal 
demonstration may be entered into a database and exchanged.

Calls for a new Europe-wide police force to tackle the threat from hardline 
anti-capitalists were led after the Genoa summit by Germany's Interior 
Minister, Otto Schily. Germany has long pushed for the creation of a 
Europe-wide crime-fighting agency modelled on the FBI.

Germany's EU partners rejected Mr Schily's call, judging that a new force to 
combat political protest movements was too controversial, but ministers 
agreed to extend the measures that can be taken under existing powers. 
Central to the new push is the secretive Article 36 committee (formerly known 
as the K4 committee) and the Schengen Information System, both of which allow 
for extensive contact and data sharing between police forces.

Under the new arrangements, European governments and police chiefs will:

* Set up permanent contact points in every EU country to collect, analyse and 
exchange information on protesters;

* Create a pool of liaison officers before each summit staffed by police from 
countries from which "risk groups" originate;

* Use "police or intelligence officers" to identify "persons or groups likely 
to pose a threat to public order and security";

* Set up a task force of police chiefs to organise "targeted training" on 
violent protests.

The new measures will rely on two main ways of exchanging police information. 
The Schengen Information System, which provides basic information, and a 
supporting network called Sirene – Supplementary Information Request at the 
National Entry. This network (of which Britain is a member) allows pictures, 
fingerprints and other information to be sent to police or immigration 
officials once a suspect enters their territory. Each country already has a 
Sirene office with established links to EU and Nordic law enforcement 
agencies.

Civil liberties campaigners are dismayed by the plan. Tony Bunyan, editor of 
Statewatch magazine, said: "This will give the green light to Special Branch 
and MI5 to put under surveillance people whose activities are entirely 
democratic."

Nicholas Busch, co-ordinator of the Fortress Europe network on civil 
liberties issues, added: "People who have done nothing against the law ought 
to be able to feel sure they are not under surveillance ... By criminalising 
whole political and social scenes you fuel confrontation and conflict."

Thomas Mathieson, professor of sociology of law at the University of Oslo, 
said police could have access to "very private information" about people's 
religion, sex lives and politics. "It is a very dangerous situation from the 
civil liberties point of view," he said.





[CTRL] Guatemala

2001-08-20 Thread William Shannon
http://www.boston.com/dailyglobe2/232/oped/A_blind_eye_on_Guatemala_+.shtml



A blind eye on Guatemala?

By Jonathan Power, 8/20/2001

MADRID

IN PROPORTION TO its population, more people were killed and tortured for
their beliefs during the 1970s and 1980s in Guatemala than in any other
country in the world. Over the last decade it had seemed to many that the
situation was slowly but cumulatively improving.

But over the last 12 months or so, the situation has started in some respects
to worsen again.

While the country still remains democratic (if imperfectly so), while some
judges are slowly gaining a measure of independence and confidence (but a few
live in fear of their lives), while the army - the main perpetuator of human
rights abuses - has been shrunk in size, and while the press, always prepared
to criticize the government and the political order, becomes even stronger
and more independent, it is clear that all is not well in Guatemala.

Some would put it more strongly and say that powerful elements in the Army
are regressing to their old habits of intimidating and often killing their
critics.Some, indeed, would go so far to say that the rise in human rights
abuse could be correlated with the winding down of the Clinton administration
and the changing of the guard in Washington - as when Ronald Reagan's
administration came into office in 1981, which became the cue for human
rights abuses in Guatemala to take off toward the stratosphere.

Reagan made it abundantly clear he was far more concerned with opposing the
advance of communism than he was with reining in the Guatemalan Army. The US
ambassador to Guatemala, David Chaplin, regularly prompted his Washington
superiors as to what was going on in the country, but it fell on deaf ears.

In February 1984, only a day after he had sent one of his revealing cables to
Washington, he was taken aback to hear that the assistant secretary of state
for human rights, Elliott Abrams, had signed off on a secret report to
Congress in which he argued that human rights were improving in Guatemala and
Congress should no longer be inhibited about the resumption of US security
assistance. No wonder that when the new president of Guatemala, General
Efrain Rios Montt, visited Washington he could dare to say in his public
speech, ''We have no scorched earth in Guatemala - only scorched communists.''

Thus today it looks as if the new nominations to high office of Reagan's
Central American appointees, including Elliott Abrams and John Negroponte,
are sending a signal, intentional or not, to the Guatemalan old guard that
Washington will look the other way.

In a new report, Amnesty International says: ''Human rights organizations and
advocates are increasingly being targeted. The prevailing impunity gives a
clear signal that perpetrators can continue to get away with murder,
literally. Amnesty is concerned that the Guatemalan government is in fact
encouraging attacks through ill-considered public statements that have
periodically accused human rights defenders and other activists of seeking to
destabilize the country.''

It's been just over 20 years since Amnesty issued one of its most outspoken
reports on Guatemala, in which it accused the government of running ''a
deliberate and longstanding program'' of torture and murder. It was this
report that drew the world's attention for the first time to the particular
horror of Guatemala. The massacres and murder were not the work of
independent right-wing death squads, as had been maintained but, as Amnesty
correctly said, of special units of the Army itself, receiving their orders
directly from the president's office. All through the Reagan years this was
denied, or at least minimized.

When George Bush Sr. took over, he did move to use his authority to wind down
the killings, although it seems from recent evidence that American
clandestine military support did continue. Only under the administration of
Bill Clinton was the UN encouraged to investigate past abuses. It came up
with conclusions that read like a reprint of the Amnesty report of 1981.

In 1999 on a visit to Guatemala City, Clinton made a public mea culpa,
saying, ''For the United States it is important that I state clearly that
[American] support for military forces and intelligence units which engaged
in violence and widespread repression was wrong.'' And The Washington Post
editorialized: ''We Americans need our own truth commission.''

It is only five weeks ago that President Alfonso Portillo of Guatemala met
President George W. Bush. But was anything made clear about America's
intolerance for winding the clock back? Was anything said to disillusion the
Guatemalans that the appointments of Negroponte and Abrams don't mean that
this administration will tolerate what the Reagan administration did?

Judging from the record, if anything on these lines was said, you would have
needed sophisticated listening equipment to have heard it. This is not to say
that 

[CTRL] Jewish Terrorists Kill 130 SHEEP!!! What's Next???

2001-08-20 Thread William Shannon
http://www.indymedia.org/front.php3?article_id=59764group=webcast



Jewish Terrorists Exterminate 130 Sheep Belonging to a Palestinian

20 August 01

Occupied Jerusalem - Jewish terrorists on Monday exterminated more than 130
sheep belonging to a Palestinian peasant at the village of Akraba near
Nablus.

According to eyewitnesses, the heavily-armed settlers riddled the herd with
bullets from their automatic rifles and threatened to murder the shepherd.

Earlier, the same settlers spread fields and grazing land in the area with
poisonous substances, causing the death of many cows, sheep and goats.

The Israeli occupation army uses the often-rabid settlers to terrorize and
harass Palestinian farmers and peasants throughout the Palestinian
countryside as part of its overall campaign of terror against the Palestinian
people.

Since the outbreak of the Palestinian intifada more than tent months ago, the
settlers murdered over 50 Palestinian civilians, many of them simple peasants
tilling their fields.









[CTRL] Haliburton Takes Albion

2001-08-20 Thread William Shannon
http://www.squall.co.uk/priv.html



PRIVATES ON PARADE 

With Britain's armed forces now in the privatisation firing line, Jim Carey 
investigates how a huge US-based corporation with high level political 
connections is hoovering up lucrative government contracts in the UK. 

There were no trumpet voluntaries heard on the parade grounds of the British 
army when the MoD announced its first corporately-employed soldiers in 
January. The 80 'sponsored reserves' will train with the Territorial Army and 
operate beside regular soldiers in both peacetime and war. They will, 
however, owe their allegiance to the US-based corporation which employs them. 
The £300 million contract to provide 92 heavy equipment transporter vehicles, 
and the 'sponsored reserves' required to drive them, is the latest of a 
series of Private Finance Initiatives to affect Britain's armed forces. There 
is now over £1 billion worth of private involvement in the British military 
and a further £7 billion worth in the pipeline. 

You might think the sell off of Britain's armed forces would stir at least a 
little debate amongst the blue blood press but with party political 
complicity now fully in favour of both privatisation and globalisation, there 
is only a conspicuous silence. 

Britain's first private soldiers will be provided by a consortium headed by 
Halliburton, a huge US-based transnational corporation whose tentacular 
involvement in UK services, both civilian and military, has reached sizeable 
proportions. From nuclear installation to the UK's transport infrastructure. 

Based in Dallas Texas, Halliburton commands a 100,000 workforce positioned in 
120 countries. Its operations and those of its subsidiary, Brown and Root 
Services, have corporate fingers in a staggering variety of strategically 
vital global pies. From oil pipelines to defence, from road building to 
embassy security, from servicing armies and nuclear submarines to dismantling 
Russia's ballistic missiles. 

SO BEGAN A NORTH/SOUTH STRUGGLE WHICH, ALTHOUGH FRUITLESSLY DEBATED IN PUBLIC 
BETWEEN LOCAL POLITICIANS, WAS IN FACT DECIDED BY A CORPORATE GRAPPLE 

Halliburton's ability to penetrate global markets with such success has been 
amply facilitated by a well connected hierarchy adept at impressing its 
business credentials on foreign governments. Until stepping down last August 
to concentrate on the US presidential election, Halliburton's Chief Executive 
Officer and Chairman was none other than Dick Cheney, now US Vice President. 

The Corporation he inherited had already made significant inroads into the UK 
in a fiercely fought battle for the lucrative contract to service Britain's 
nuclear submarine fleet. Assembled in the UK from parts purchased from the 
US, Britain's nuclear subs were previously serviced at both Plymouth and 
Rosyth. However, in order to cut costs the British government decided back in 
the eighties to concentrate all servicing in one port. The contract would be 
worth £1 billion over ten years. So began a north/south struggle which, 
although fruitlessly debated in public between local politicians, was in fact 
decided by a corporate grapple. 

Back in 1985, all indications were that Rosyth would be chosen as the 
favoured location. Both areas had above average unemployment figures but, by 
all criteria of public safety, Rosyth was the better of the two locations. 
"If you were to undertake a similar venture for a civil nuclear plant then 
very certainly the accepted siting criteria just would not allow you to 
locate in a city with over 250,000 people," nuclear consultant John Large 
told SQUALL. Lord Younger, a senior member of the Conservative government at 
the time, boosted Rosyth's expectations by telling local MP's they had cause 
for high hopes. However, in the same year, management of the royal docks and 
naval base at Devonport in Plymouth were privatised and passed into the hands 
of Brown and Root, a business unit of Halliburton Co. Two years later, the 
management of Rosyth's naval base and dockyard were also privatised, passing 
into the hands of Babcock International. However, whereas Babcock are a 
relatively small corporation with an annual turnover wavering below £26 
million, Halliburton are a huge transnational with consolidated annual 
revenues of $14.9 billion. 

"I'M OFTEN ASKED WHY I LEFT POLITICS AND WENT TO HALLIBURTON AND I EXPLAIN 
THAT I REACHED THE POINT WHERE I WAS MEAN-SPIRITED, SHORT TEMPERED..SO I 
WENT TO TEXAS AND JOINED THE PRIVATE SECTOR." - 
Dick Cheney, now US Vice President. 

Whilst local politicians continued to press the government for a firm 
decision, ministers assured Rosyth of its future by commencing a £500 million 
programme to build refit facilities at the Clyde dock. However Rosyth's local 
MP's began to get queasy when a leaked report published in the Sunday Times 
on Christmas Eve 1990 suggested the government's decision was to go against 
them. Alan Clark, Defence 

Re: [CTRL] Jewish Terrorists Kill 130 SHEEP!!! What's Next???

2001-08-20 Thread Aleisha Saba

-Caveat Lector-

These 130 deep sheep are symbolic of what is in store for the
Palestinians and any Christians as well in this area.

Might add when Osama bin Laden sends in one of his bombers with a little
neutron back pack - people will think of the lost sheep of the House of
the Real Israel.

Saba

And today they started the sins of the fathers to be visited upon the
children, and the sin of the children to be visited upon the fathers?
Look at this for this is the Jewish Mafia in control of the Holy Land -
their time is shorter and shorter.

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[CTRL] Skolnick On Levy

2001-08-20 Thread William Shannon
http://www.skolnicksreport.com/claffair2.html



THE CHANDRA LEVY AFFAIR, Part two
by Sherman H. Skolnick 08/20/01

The story I posted about Chandra Levy, 6/22/01, should be considered as Part
One.

At that time I was about the first to raise questions as to how she somehow
wiggled her way into the press office, in Washington, D.C., of the FEDERAL
BUREAU OF PRISONS. The oil-soaked, spy-riddled, war-mongering monopoly press
seemed to spend all their time raising only tidbits of sexual matters about
Chandra and Congressman Gary Condit.

The District of Columbia authorities and the FBI, at least according to press
accounts, had not taken an interest in or interviewing fellow employees of
hers in that press office. Notice the time-line, tending to show the
importance of where Ms Levy was an intern.

===Late November, 2000. Having earned at a California university a Master's
Degree in criminal justice and journalism, Ms Levy was given a job as an
intern in a very sensitive place. [And what domestic and/or foreign
intelligence agencies arranged THAT?] That was about the time Timothy McVeigh
decided not to appeal further the murder conviction as to the bombing of the
Federal Office Building in Oklahoma City, April 19, 1995.

In December, 2000, the Federal trial Judge Richard Matsch in Denver set the
McVeigh execution date as May 16, 2001. That piece of data got lost in the
press shuffle as it occurred on the same day that the "Gang of Five" on the
U.S. Supreme Court installed George W. Bush as the "occupant" and "resident"
of the White House. Albert Gore, Jr., having won the popular vote nationwide
by some 600,000 votes, became the un-inaugurated President of the U.S. That
was historically similar to the 1876 Presidential Election when U.S. troops
blocked Tilden, who won the popular vote, from approaching the inauguration
site where Hayes was sworn in as "President". The Hayes forces, like with
George W. Bush, stole the White House through an Electoral College vote using
a corrupt U.S. Supreme Court Judge as well as corruption in the FLORIDA
voting. [Visit our website stories on the year 2000 Election and Gore Vidal's
book called simply "1876".]

===As the time ticked away toward the execution date, Ms Levy reportedly had
taken a great interest in unearthing details through her press office
connection. After all, as a child she used to volunteer to assist the local
police in her home district. At an early age she hoped to have a career
reportedly in the American CIA. The McVeigh affair was a repository of
numerous secrets tending to incriminate George Herbert Walker Bush, Bill
Clinton, and then White House occupant George W. Bush. Such as the suppressed
and concealed Iraqi connection to the multiple bombings in Oklahoma City.
Such as, the publicly-undisclosed FBI surveillance tapes showing in the month
before the bombings, McVeigh in the company of Iraqi military officers,
supposed "defectors" (actually double agents) brought into the U.S. by the
Elder Bush. Two thousand such Iraqi military officers, some from intelligence
units, since the end of the Persian Gulf War in 1991, have been settled,
financed, and housed in OKLAHOMA CITY. Making the arrangements was the Elder
Bush as President, and continuing the same with Clinton as President and then
George W. Bush as White House resident.

[Visit our website related stories, such as "The Secrets of Timothy
McVeigh".]

===Some weeks after her disappearance on the afternoon of May 1, 2001, the
FBI contends Ms Levy was last in her apartment in the District of Columbia
that afternoon using her computer. [Could someone else having been using her
computer, somehow knowing her password?] The FBI announced that they had
retrieved, from her hard disk drive, from that afternoon, some 38 websites
viewed by her. They proclaimed that none of them was important. REALLY? They
said she [or was it her alter ego and ghost] had clicked on
GoFrance.About.com. It is a website for those wishing to visit France. Maps,
travel guides, and such,are given on-line. The site is reportedly also used
by the French CIA to track those interested in visiting France who should, in
their view, be surveilled. In our original story, we raised the questions of
Ms Levy with The Mossad, Israeli intelligence, comparing the situation to
that of Monica Lewinsky. A section of The Mossad has long collaborated with a
unit of the French CIA, sort of an open secret.

Newsweek reporter Michael Isikoff, in a supposedly exclusive story, claimed
Gary Condit had an alibi for the early afternoon of May 1, 2001. Condit was
supposedly in the office of Vice President Richard Cheney. And that Cheney
supposedly was trying to win Condit over to the GOP position as to the
electric mess in California. [Newsweek website 7/20/01.] Going back to the
time Isikoff was with the sister publication, the Washington Post, he seemed
to always be a reputed front for foreign intelligence and the American CIA,
poo-pooing any real 

[CTRL] COWARDS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

2001-08-20 Thread William Shannon
http://www.rense.com/general12/cmmasd.htm


Zionism Removed From 
UN Racism Communique

8-19-1


GENEVA - Diplomats say they've removed anti-Israeli remarks in a statement 
being prepared for a United Nations conference on racism at the end of the 
month.   

The United States and Israel had both threatened to boycott the meeting, set 
to begin in Durban, South Africa on Aug. 31, unless the text was changed.   

Arab states wanted the document to single out Israel as a "racist" occupying 
power, but the UN doesn't equate Zionism with racism so the final communique 
was changed.   

Not all hurdles have been removed, however. Officials are still wrangling 
over how to address recent bloodshed in the Middle East without offending 
either side.   

Last week in Geneva, negotiations over the exact wording of the conference's 
final document collapsed. More negotiations are scheduled.   

Even if the sensitive issue of language is dealt with, a boycott may still go 
ahead.   The United States is also upset over a plan to include colonial 
slavery and victims' reparations on the conference's agenda.   

It's not the first time Washington has bickered with UN officials over topics 
for a meeting on racism. The U.S. boycotted two previous conferences for 
similar reasons.




Re: [CTRL] COWARDS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

2001-08-20 Thread Aleisha Saba

-Caveat Lector-

Now is time for all to read this Protocol of Zion or Sion - and let us
see - could there be any truth in this matter?

Now is the time to read the Talmuc perhaps - the sins of the children
visited upon the father and all the time I thought the Mafia, was
Italian.

As for Chandra Levy and Monica Lewinsky - see the fine hand of the
Mossad here?

Could it be like the disappearance of the man who ran down John Gotti's
son - he was just swept off his feet in the street, put in a van and
never heard from again.could this have been little Chandra's fate
for playing the role of an informer for the Mossad?

Just a matter of what hired killer did what and for whom - and one
shouldn't fool with Mother Nature or the Hells' Angels..a wink of
the eye, a touch of the nose or a pull of an ear.as the old song
went, every little movement has a meaning all its own.

Games - all gamestell me does the ADL still try to disarm
America?   Another motorcycle gang shootout in Fresno, CA..another
shooting by a Urkranian.and zulu nation running amuck in the
streets?   Nice we have Canada now to take in some of these people.

Saba

Jihud Is Forever - and now you know what happens when people get into
the FBI and CIA who have Zionist connections..traitors within
brought in by Trojan Horse Kissinger.

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[CTRL] unaccountable unelected international bureaucrats

2001-08-20 Thread flw

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SHEILA R. CHERRY, INSIGHT: The consequences of the ratification of NAFTA in
1994 only now are becoming apparent: Congress agreed to submit to decisions
by unelected international bureaucrats . . . Insight has found that very
little is being disclosed about the people who administer and interpret the
international treaties to which Americans now are subject - especially the
North American Free Trade Agreement, which was ratified amid a tremendous
controversy in 1994 . . . Secretary of the NAFTA Secretariat Caratina L.
Alston flatly refused Insight's requests for the annual budget of her
program. We don't have a specific annual budget, she said at first.
Pressed, Alston became tense and responded sharply, I'm not going to answer
that. You know, I don't want our numbers out there for someone to just get .
. . No, I won't be furnishing you those numbers.

http://www.insightmag.com/archive/200109108.shtml

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Re: [CTRL] Jewish Terrorists Kill 130 SHEEP!!! What's Next???

2001-08-20 Thread Nurev Ind.

-Caveat Lector-

William Shannon wrote:

 http://www.indymedia.org/front.php3?article_id=59764group=webcast

 Jewish Terrorists Exterminate 130 Sheep Belonging to a Palestinian

This is an OUTRAGEOUS misuse of language. It should read  Jewish Terrorists
ASSASSINATE 130 sheep belonging to a Palestinian.

You guys need to be consistant with propaganda otherwise it becomes confusing
to the general public. Remember. Every time there's some kind of death, it
shuld be called an Isreali assassination.

J2

 20 August 01

 Occupied Jerusalem - Jewish terrorists on Monday exterminated more than 130
 sheep belonging to a Palestinian peasant at the village of Akraba near
 Nablus.

 According to eyewitnesses, the heavily-armed settlers riddled the herd with
 bullets from their automatic rifles and threatened to murder the shepherd.

 Earlier, the same settlers spread fields and grazing land in the area with
 poisonous substances, causing the death of many cows, sheep and goats.

 The Israeli occupation army uses the often-rabid settlers to terrorize and
 harass Palestinian farmers and peasants throughout the Palestinian
 countryside as part of its overall campaign of terror against the Palestinian
 people.

 Since the outbreak of the Palestinian intifada more than tent months ago, the
 settlers murdered over 50 Palestinian civilians, many of them simple peasants
 tilling their fields.

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Re: [CTRL] COWARDS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

2001-08-20 Thread Nurev Ind.

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William Shannon wrote:

 http://www.rense.com/general12/cmmasd.htm

 Zionism Removed From
 UN Racism Communique

I know your disappointed sweetie. Maybe we can call Zionism something else
it isn't just to please you and Saba and the Neo-Nazis and the Arabs.

I'll talk to my uncle Hymie who is one of the original elders of Zion or
Sion as Saba likes to call it. He is omnipotent you know. He can get the UN
to equate Zionism with anything you make up.

Pick a good one eh?

Poor baby. I feel your pain.

J2


 8-19-1

 GENEVA - Diplomats say they've removed anti-Israeli remarks in a statement
 being prepared for a United Nations conference on racism at the end of the
 month.

 The United States and Israel had both threatened to boycott the meeting, set
 to begin in Durban, South Africa on Aug. 31, unless the text was changed.

 Arab states wanted the document to single out Israel as a racist occupying
 power, but the UN doesn't equate Zionism with racism so the final communique
 was changed.

 Not all hurdles have been removed, however. Officials are still wrangling
 over how to address recent bloodshed in the Middle East without offending
 either side.

 Last week in Geneva, negotiations over the exact wording of the conference's
 final document collapsed. More negotiations are scheduled.

 Even if the sensitive issue of language is dealt with, a boycott may still go
 ahead.   The United States is also upset over a plan to include colonial
 slavery and victims' reparations on the conference's agenda.

 It's not the first time Washington has bickered with UN officials over topics
 for a meeting on racism. The U.S. boycotted two previous conferences for
 similar reasons.

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Re: [CTRL] COWARDS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

2001-08-20 Thread Joe Gillaspie




FYI
http://www.rense.com/general12/cmmasd.htm

Zionism Removed From
UN Racism Communique
8-19-1

GENEVA - Diplomats say they've removed
anti-Israeli remarks in a statement
being prepared for a United Nations conference
on racism at the end of the
month.
The United States and Israel had both threatened
to boycott the meeting, set
to begin in Durban, South Africa on Aug.
31, unless the text was changed.
Arab states wanted the document to single
out Israel as a "racist" occupying
power, but the UN doesn't equate Zionism
with racism so the final communique
was changed.
Not all hurdles have been removed, however.
Officials are still wrangling
over how to address recent bloodshed in
the Middle East without offending
either side.
Last week in Geneva, negotiations over
the exact wording of the conference's
final document collapsed. More negotiations
are scheduled.
Even if the sensitive issue of language
is dealt with, a boycott may still go
ahead. The United States is
also upset over a plan to include colonial
slavery and victims' reparations on the
conference's agenda.
It's not the first time Washington has
bickered with UN officials over topics
for a meeting on racism. The U.S. boycotted
two previous conferences for
similar reasons.






[CTRL] Capitalism at work: US boom bypassed middle class

2001-08-20 Thread Nurev Ind.

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The Hindustan Times
August 20, 2001

US boom bypassed middle class
PTI
New York, August 19

THE ECONOMIC boom of the last decades mostly benefited
the richest of the American population, bypassing the
middle class, a new survey has revealed.

The fruits from economic growth in the last few
decades were enjoyed by a surprisingly small part of
the population, the top 20 per cent, and particularly
the richest one per cent, the results of the survey,
published in the Milken Institute Review, said.

Edward Wolff, who conducted the survey, debunked the
theory that the rising economic tide helped everyone
from the richest to the poorest.

Living conditions of the middle class stagnated in the
1990s and household debt rose in the last two decades,
mostly due to a rise in mortgage debt, Wolff found.

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[CTRL] Post Office Honors COMMUNIST with a Stamp

2001-08-20 Thread PLSroufe
NewsMax.com 
Monday, Aug. 20, 2001
U.S. Honors Foreign Communist With Stamp

The bumbling U.S. post office doesn't care if it POs Americans by putting
communist Mexican artist Frida Kahlo on a stamp.The mustachioed, unibrowed
Kahlo was such a hard-core left-winger that her last painting before her
belated suicide in 1954 was of genocidal Soviet dictator Stalin.The Postal
Service remains as unrepentant as Kahlo. It claims it chose Kahlo for her
talent, not her politics, sex, race or sexual "preference," Fox News Channel
reported this evening. Postal bureaucrats refused to tell Fox which American
artists it gave the heave-ho from its short list so it could honor Kahlo.

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[CTRL] Fwd: GAO Starts the Clock Ticking on Richard B. Cheney

2001-08-20 Thread Kris Millegan





t r u t h o u t | 8.21

GAO Starts the Clock Ticking on Richard B. Cheney
http://www.truthout.com/4.GAO.Cheney.Report.pdf

CONYERS REPORT | How To Make Over One Million Votes Disappear :
Electoral Sleight of Hand in the 2000 Presidential Election
http://www.truthout.com/4.one.million.votes.pdf

WELLSTONE | Radio Address on Social Security
http://www.truthout.com/0533.Wellstone.Radio.htm

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Did NBC Make Call With Welch in the Backfield?
By HENRY A. WAXMAN

August 13 2001

For all the controversy over what did or didn't happen in the last
election, one fact is absolutely clear: The pivotal presumption that
George W. Bush won the election was the result of the calls the major
television networks made on election night.

Once those calls were announced, the nearly impossible burden of
reversing the presumption shifted to Al Gore.

His legal case was made all the harder by the label sore loser
instead of defending champion. That's no small thing. In fact, it
turned out to be nearly as important in deciding the 2000 election as
the Supreme Court's 5-4 decision in favor of Bush.

So it's more than a nicety to provide accurate reassurances to the
public that each network made its decision fairly and on the merits.

In February, House Republicans summoned the heads of the networks'
news divisions to testify at a congressional hearing on election
night coverage. At that time, it was already known that Bush's
cousin--John Ellis--was a consultant on the election night decision
desk at Fox News and was instrumental in that network's decision to
call Florida and the national election for Bush (Fox was the first
network to do so).

Moreover, a troubling and persistent rumor was circulating that Jack
Welch, chairman and CEO of General Electric, which owns NBC, might
have tried to interfere with NBC's election calls.

I've frequently seen allegations take on a life of their
own--especially in tightly contested elections--so I tried to put
this one to rest by raising it directly with Andy Lack,
then-president of NBC News.

I also asked whether it was true that an advertising and promotion
videotape existed that could firmly verify or debunk the whispers
about the conduct of Welch, a Bush partisan.

Under oath, Lack denied the rumor but promised to supply the
advertising videotape if it existed. Neither he nor the NBC lawyers
at the hearing raised 1st Amendment reservations.

After the hearing, NBC confirmed that it had the footage.

But the network is flatly refusing to release the video, and now Lack
appears shocked and aggrieved that anyone expects him to honor the
commitment he voluntarily made under oath.

I almost always side with the media on 1st Amendment questions and
believe government must tread lightly here.

But the NBC video doesn't raise these issues.

We're not talking about protecting confidential sources or risking
government intrusion into news gathering.

At issue instead are video images compiled for promotional purposes
that NBC voluntarily promised--in public and under oath--to release.

Moreover, this footage can provide a definitive answer to a question
of compelling public interest: whether the chairman of General
Electric inappropriately tried to influence NBC's critical decision
to call the 2000 election for Bush.

NBC is a special entity. It exists because it has the use--without
charge--of the public airwaves.

In return, it has been given the duty of serving the public interest.
That brings with it special obligations, including the duty to earn
the public's confidence by adhering to the highest standards of
conduct.

This is especially important because NBC doesn't exist just as a news
division or a broadcaster; those days are long gone.

It is owned by General Electric, whose corporate interests range from
toasters to promoting nuclear power to selling defense weapons.

All of those interests are significantly affected by who's elected president.

General Electric has every right to advocate its corporate interest;
but an inviolate wall must exist between it and its wholly owned
television subsidiary.

When credible questions are raised about a news organization's
conduct, it should be extraordinarily forthcoming, even if disclosure
causes embarrassment.

Indeed, the news media expect no less from the subjects of its journalism.

Using the 1st Amendment to cloak conflicts of interest serves to
protect nothing--no ideal, no source and no free press. It only
conceals the intrusion of corporate managers into ostensibly
objective journalism.

I don't know if Jack Welch acted 

[CTRL] Black Leader to Jesse Jackson: You're No Reverend

2001-08-20 Thread PLSroufe
NewsMax.com 
Monday Aug. 20, 2001; 10:35 p.m. EDT
Black Leader to Jesse Jackson: You're No Reverend

After watching Rev. Jesse Jackson's one-time mistress Karin Stanford detail
her plight to ABC's "20/20" Friday night, Rev. Jesse Lee Peterson says it's
high time Jackson stop calling himself a man of the cloth.

Rev. Peterson, who heads up the Brotherhood Organization of a New Destiny,
said Monday that Stanford's comments clearly expose Jackson as a "shameless
hypocrite" who has behaved immorally.

Speaking from his office in Los Angeles, Rev. Peterson said he was
particularly incensed by Stanford's revelation that Jackson was privately
pro-life when it came to the birth of the couple's now-2-year-old daughter --
while he championed abortion in public."

This man is in favor of killing other people's unborn babies but not his
own," Peterson charged."

He counsels Bill Clinton about his affair with Monica Lewinsky and brings his
pregnant mistress.

And he says he won't appear on a TV show because the media will hurt the
child.

It's being without a father that will cause the damage."

"And he has the gall to call to continue calling himself 'Reverend,'!" the
California-based minister added.

Rev. Peterson urged his fellow black ministers to end their silence on
Jackson's misconduct.

"Now is the time to stand on moral principle and demand that Jackson drop the
title 'Reverend' and speak out against this immoral man," he said.

To learn more about Rev. Peterson and BOND, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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[CTRL] California resists alternative fuel additive

2001-08-20 Thread Steve Wingate

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Farmers Fume as State Goes Against the Grain
Agriculture: Corn Belt banked on ethanol to bail it out. But California resists
alternative fuel additive.

By STEPHANIE SIMON, LA Times Staff Writer

MACON, Mo. -- The factory yard smells like fresh beer and burned toast.
There's a constant thrum and clatter. Giant machines are crushing corn,
stirring mash, fermenting a goopy syrup into pure grain alcohol.

The final product streams out of a tap, crisp and clear, with an odor sharp as
a paper cut. It's ethanol, a fuel made from corn. A fuel that folks in the
heartland are counting on to bail out rural America--if only California would
quit being so pigheaded and agree to buy it.

But California isn't biting.

To the immense frustration of Corn Belt farmers, California officials are
resisting ethanol with all they have.

Federal law requires most gas sold in the state to contain an additive that
reduces emissions, to keep air pollution in check. The additive used now,
MTBE (methyl tertiary butyl ether), is being phased out because it can spoil
ground water. The only alternative available is ethanol. So farmers here
initially thought they would reap a billion-dollar bonanza: Supplying California
with ethanol would take huge quantities of grain. That demand would send
corn prices up. Working the fields would be profitable once again. And that
would mean new hope for withered farm communities such as this speck of a
town in northeast Missouri.

Yet the windfall now seems far from certain. Blasting the federal clean-gas
requirement as a straitjacket, California Gov. Gray Davis earlier this month
filed suit to block it.

And in the ultimate thumb-in-the-eye to Midwest growers, the Davis
administration has been talking about importing ethanol from Brazil if the
state is forced to use it at all.

The Midwest might have thought they had the market locked up, that we
would have to buy ethanol from Iowa, said William L. Rukeyser, a
spokesman for the California Environmental Protection Agency. This is
2001. Free trade is the name of the game.

Added Roger Salazar, a spokesman for the governor: The price of
[Midwest] ethanol is going to go through the roof if farm states corner the
market. To bust that monopoly and to ensure adequate supply, we may be
forced to look elsewhere, Salazar said.

Around here, those are fighting words.

Commodity prices have been low for years, in large part because farmers
have gotten too good at growing: They are producing more corn and
soybeans than the market can absorb, with the predictable result of slumping
prices. Many growers can turn a profit only with government subsidies; they
can't pay their bills without handouts. Ethanol represents a way out.

If California started buying it in bulk, it would be a chance at last to pump
some money into the rural economy, said Gary Marshall, chief executive of
the Missouri Farm Growers Assn.

Added John Eggleston, a corn grower who helps run the ethanol plant here: I
wish they would give us a chance.

There is a fairly robust market for ethanol now, mostly in the Midwest and
Southwest. In Chicago, Houston, Milwaukee and other cities with air pollution
woes, ethanol is routinely blended into gasoline to reduce emissions. The
Macon plant, which produces 21 million gallons a year, plans to double its
capacity just to meet the ethanol demands of St. Louis and Des Moines.

Still, the California market is a cut above, by virtue of sheer size. The state
would need an estimated 700 million gallons of ethanol a year, boosting
national demand for the fuel by at least 35%. It might also nudge New York,
which is facing an MTBE phaseout of its own, into the ethanol market. To
meet this anticipated surge in demand, ethanol boosters across the country
are building 12 plants and expanding several dozen more.

Such entrepreneurs tout ethanol as a win for everyone. Californians clean up
their air, Midwesterners earn decent money for their corn and the nation as a
whole reduces its dependence on foreign fuel. There's even an opportunity
for California to build a home-grown ethanol industry; half a dozen projects on
the drawing board would produce ethanol from municipal waste, timber
cuttings, rice straw, cheese whey and other resources abundant in the state.

Yet in Sacramento, Davis administration officials argue that the costs far
outweigh any benefits.

Echoing the arguments of oil companies, which would have to spend huge
sums to retrofit their refineries, state officials complain that adding ethanol to
gasoline would be both cumbersome and costly, jacking up prices by several
cents a gallon or more. They fret about possible gas shortages if the Midwest
supply of ethanol runs short. And they contend that there already is a
reformulated gas, without MTBE, that burns as cleanly as gas containing
ethanol. The federal law pushing ethanol, they say, is about the politics of
placating Midwest legislators, not about good science and clean air.

Ethanol 

Re: [CTRL] COWARDS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

2001-08-20 Thread Tenorlove

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This is surprising, considering the high esteem the in which U.S. is
held by the U.N. snort

Tenorlove


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Re: [CTRL] Jewish Terrorists Kill 130 SHEEP!!! What's Next???

2001-08-20 Thread Tenorlove

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--- Nurev Ind. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Every time there's some kind of
 death, it
 shuld be called an Isreali assassination.

And while you're at it, every birth should be called an Israeli
assassination. after all, birth is the main cause of death, being
as one has to be born to die.

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Re: [CTRL] Government at work: US boom bypassed middle class

2001-08-20 Thread M.A. Johnson

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Again, TAXES, TAXES, TAXES.
Will you EVER learn?

Regard$,
--MJ

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[CTRL] Post Office Honors COMMUNIST with a Stamp

2001-08-20 Thread thew

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was this part:

 The mustachioed, unibrowed Kahlo

relevant in some way I'm not seeing?

Are her looks germane to either her politics or he artist talents?

Should we judge artists by their politics? Is their work enough? how much ,
if any, does their personality or belief systems shape the validity of their
work?

I think these are interesting questions - any thoughts?

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[CTRL] Black Leader to Jesse Jackson: You're No Reverend

2001-08-20 Thread thew
Title:  Black Leader to Jesse Jackson: You're No Reverend



wait I'm confused.
Isn't Christianity supposed to be about forgiveness?

turn the other cheek and all that?

 
It is not the function of our government to keep the
citizen from falling into error; it is the function of the citizen
to keep the government from falling into error. Justice
Robert H. Jackson-- 




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