[CTRL] Experts say U.S. unprepared for germ warfare
-Caveat Lector- Experts say U.S. unprepared for germ warfare By JOSEPH B. VERRENGIA, Associated Press (September 16, 2001 2:41 p.m. EDT) - As devastating as this week's attacks in New York and Washington were, national security and public health experts know this much: It could be worse. There are weapons that are invisible and next-to-impossible to trace. A whiff of nerve gas. A droplet of anthrax. A particle of smallpox. Infectious or toxic weapons in skilled hands could cause considerably more casualties among ordinary Americans than the estimated 5,000 dead and missing at the World Trade Center and the Pentagon. The use of biological or chemical weapons - described by some as the poor man's atomic bomb - is a sensitive topic, especially now. Experts caution that a bioterrorism attack here is not inevitable. Their opinions are the products of war games rather than an immediate and real threat. And there are those who say that few terrorists could pull this off, that this would be a much more complicated and difficult feat than it may seem. But the science exists to launch such an attack and, obviously, so does the hatred. President Clinton said as much as early as 1999 when he said a biological or chemical attack on the United States is highly likely. Seattle thought so, too. Before the World Trade Organization meeting there, hospitals stockpiled antidotes, just in case. And The New York Times reported Sunday that satellite photos indicate that Osama bin Laden - described by administration officials as the prime suspect in Tuesday's attacks - may be experimenting with poisons. The photos show dead animals at a terrorist training camp in eastern Afghanistan operated by bin Laden. Unlike explosions, the scope of an unconventional attack in an airport or a domed stadium would not be apparent for days or weeks until victims showed symptoms of a mysterious illness. By then, they could have infected many others around the world. Waves of patients might overwhelm hospitals. The public, panicked, might turn on their neighbors unless adequate medicines and vaccines were available. Which, experts warn, they are not. The biological threat is one we are not adequately prepared for, said Dr. Margaret A. Hamburg of the Nuclear Threat Initiative, a Washington think tank. Hamburg was New York City health commissioner during the 1993 World Trade Center bombing. This is a critical moment to assess where we are vulnerable, she said. The biological threat has to be very, very high on the priority list. Others share Hamburg's concern. I'm very, very alarmed, said Donald A. Henderson, a biodefense expert at Johns Hopkins University in Baltimore and adviser to former President Bush. Skeptics said Tuesday's events, while horrific, don't mean that a bioattack is on the horizon. Most terrorists, they said, don't have the expertise. We need to be realistic in our threat assessments, said Jonathan B. Tucker, a nonproliferation expert at the Monterey Institute of International Studies in Washington. A worst-case scenario is unlikely. Fighting with disease was prohibited by a 1972 treaty signed by 143 nations, but biological weapons have, on occasion, been used in the past. In the Middle Ages, sieges were broken by catapulting corpses over castle walls to spread poxes and plagues. In the western United States, American Indians were given the blankets of smallpox victims. In the Gulf War, Saddam Hussein fired chemical weapons. He held biological weapons and, according to the CIA, is pursuing them again. The United States and the former Soviet Union built vast germ warfare stockpiles. In July, the Bush administration pulled out of negotiations to further enforce the biological weapons ban. Subsequent reports suggest both nations still investigate new bioweapons, including an enhanced form of anthrax, to understand how they might work. Experts speculate that hardships might prompt some Russian scientists to sell their know-how on the black market. In addition to Iraq, Iran and Libya have reportedly pursued germ warfare. In Japan, a cult killed a dozen commuters on a Tokyo subway with nerve gas in 1995 after failing to spread biological agents with a sprayer truck. With today's microcomponents, some believe a modified fire extinguisher or climate control system loaded with bioagents could do the job. In the past 18 months, such simple scenarios have been featured in simulations with names like Dark Winter, Operation Top-Off and RED Ex. The exercises, hosted by think tanks, involved many high-level officials and analysts. New York City was planning a mass vaccination drill on Sept. 12. The World Trade Center attack pre-empted it. Former Sen. Sam Nunn recently portrayed the president in the Dark Winter simulation of a smallpox attack. On Sept. 5, Nunn summarized it for the Senate Foreign Relations Committee: The 3,000 cases in Oklahoma from the initial attack mushroomed into hundreds of thousands of
[CTRL] Kentucky coroner confirms 2 cases of Creutzfeldt-Jakob disease
-Caveat Lector- Kentucky coroner confirms 2 cases of Creutzfeldt-Jakob disease Copyright Scripps Howard News Service By CINCY STARR and CRAIG GARRETSON, Kentucky Post COVINGTON, Ky. (September 17, 2001 1:32 p.m. EDT) - The incidence of Creutzfeldt-Jakob disease is one in a million. But if the coroner in Campbell County, Ky., is correct, the Northern Kentucky area may be defying the odds. Since March, Northern Kentucky has had two confirmed cases of CJD, a fatal brain disease associated with a tiny protein called prions. Tests are being performed on a third local person who died in August to determine if she succumbed also to the disease. The two confirmed victims are Kenneth Johnstone, 62, a former Boone County superintendent and principal who died July 31, and Helen Davis, 76, a nursing-home resident who died in March. The disease was confirmed in Johnstone's case by a brain biopsy, said his widow, Jo Ann Johnstone. Campbell County Coroner Mark Schweitzer said Davis, who died of pneumonia, also had CJD. Schweitzer, a chiropractor, also believes Sandy Reaves-Haas of Dayton may have died of CJD, although the woman's primary-care physician disagrees. Robert Tracy, an internal-medicine physician from Cold Spring, oversaw Reaves-Haas' treatment through a mysterious illness that struck suddenly and left her incapacitated and uncommunicative for several months. Tracy said samples of the woman's blood and spinal fluid tested negative for CJD during her illness. A definitive diagnosis of CJD can be achieved only with a brain biopsy, which Schweitzer requested. But Tracy said Reaves-Haas' symptoms were not those of a patient with CJD. In animals, prion disease can take the form of mad cow disease. Mad cow disease has not been detected in the United States, despite active surveillance efforts since May 1990. Jo Ann Johnstone said it's a mystery as to how her husband acquired the rare illness. They had never been to England, she said. During a trip to Spain, Italy and Morocco 11 years ago, they ate very little beef. They also rarely ate beef at home. She said doctors at University Hospital had ruled out the hereditary form of the disease. The source of Johnson's disease, as with most cases of CJD, may never be known. The disease can lie dormant for many years, further complicating efforts to pin down its cause. Schweitzer said the cases appear to be unrelated. Steve Wingate, Webmaster ANOMALOUS IMAGES AND UFO FILES http://www.anomalous-images.com A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Bush will get us into a war!
-Caveat Lector- Remember the election year rhetoric, Bush will to get us into a war!? Now many Americans, perhaps most, are falling all over each other exclaiming how great a leader Bush has suddenly become. It just goes to show us that we are not that smart, and we are mostly controlled by our emotions. I hope we will grow up soon, and suspect we will do so fast once the Afghanis start sending our soldiers back in body bags after being executed by skinning alive like they did with the Russian soldiers. I hope this does not happen, but fear that some our men and women will meet this horrible fate, and even worse. I hope it will all be worth it in the end, if there ever is an end to the fighting. Steve Steve Wingate, Webmaster ANOMALOUS IMAGES AND UFO FILES http://www.anomalous-images.com A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Afghanistan - The Last Place On Earth For A War
-Caveat Lector- Afghanistan - The Last Place On Earth For A War By Oliver Hardy The Sun - London 9-18-1 Afghanistan is one of the most desolate and inhospitable regions on Earth. So a war in Afghanistan would rely heavily on the highly-trained, tough teams of men from the SAS and US Special Forces. Osama bin Laden will need to be prised from his hiding place in a barren terrain characterised by forbidding mountain ranges and dotted with deep caves. And with a stark winter fast approaching, conditions will be extremely harsh. Despite their superior numbers, successive armies have tried and failed to conquer Afghanistan. They have been beaten by the wild conditions and the tribesmen's superior knowledge of how to survive there. US Defence Secretary Donald Rumsfeld has already said Special Forces soldiers will be at the forefront of the attack if there is to be a chance of getting bin Laden. They will be assisted by a specialist unit of the SAS, called the Revolutionary World Warfare wing. These men have been training in the mountains of neighbouring Pakistan for more than five years and making secret intelligence-gathering sorties into Afghanistan. They have climbed to heights of 18,000ft and adapted to barren terrain similar to south Afghanistan, where bin Laden runs his training camps. Ex-SAS man Tom Carew knows the tough conditions in the mountains well. He spent two years in Afghanistan training Mujahideen guerrillas in their fight against the Russian Army in the 1980s. Tom, 47, who has just published a book, Jihad! The Secret War In Afghanistan, said last night: It was hard work for troops in the Falklands. But that was like a billiard table compared with the terrain in Afghanistan. It's arid, there's hardly any cover, it's very rocky - very hard going. The winter is starting now and the nights are already getting colder. At the end of this month and the beginning of October you will start to get the rain. It soaks everything completely, turning tracks into quagmires. Then it freezes. By the end of next month there will be snow drifts and ice. Forget tanks and troop carriers. The only way to get around is by mule or on foot. Tom, now living in Belgium under a false identity, said the Afghans are a nation of warriors. He said: They are a proud fighting people. They are like mountain goats. They were born to this terrain. If you get caught by the Afghans then it's very bad news. I never saw any Russian prisoners handed back. They take them alive but two or three days later they will be dead. I once saw a dead Russian who had been captured and he was virtually unrecognisable. People should go to Moscow and sit down with their generals who have some experience of fighting in Afghanistan. The British got a good basting in Afghanistan in the days of the Empire and so did the Russians. He said the tribesmen he dealt with are adept at using the local terrain to their advantage. The same will be true of the Taliban tribesmen, who are believed to be sheltering bin Laden. When you are in the valleys they place explosives on the mountainside so when you are climbing up they explode rocks on to you. It's deadly. They also have holes in the ground to use as arms dumps. They stock them with weapons and munitions from mule trains. It allows them to
[CTRL] FAKE TERROR - THE ROAD TO DICTATORSHIP
-Caveat Lector- FAKE TERROR - THE ROAD TO DICTATORSHIP http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/ARTICLE5/index.html Note: This article first appeared as a post written by myself at Free Republic. I was surprised to learn that it was copied from Free Republic and re-posted at dozens of sites around the world. So, it seems only fitting that the article (with some updating) re-appear here at my own web site. It's the oldest trick in the book, dating back to Roman times; creating the enemies you need. In 70 BC, an ambitious minor politician and extremely wealthy man, Marcus Licineus Crassus, wanted to rule Rome. Just to give you an idea of what sort of man Crassus really was, he is credited with invention of the fire brigade. But in Crassus' version, his fire-fighting slaves would race to the scene of a burning building whereupon Crassus would offer to buy it on the spot for a tiny fraction of it's worth. If the owner sold, Crassus' slaves would put out the fire. If the owner refused to sell, Crassus allowed the building to burn to the ground. By means of this device, Crassus eventually came to be the largest single private landholder in Rome, and used some of his wealth to help back Julius Caesar against Cicero. In 70 BC Rome was still a Republic, which placed very strict limits on what Rulers could do, and more importantly NOT do. But Crassus had no intentions of enduring such limits to his personal power, and contrived a plan. Crassus seized upon the slave revolt led by Sparticus in order to strike terror into the hearts of Rome, whose garrison Sparticus had already defeated in battle. But Sparticus had no intention of marching on Rome itself, a move he knew to be suicidal. Sparticus and his band wanted nothing to do with the Roman empire and had planned from the start merely to loot enough money from their former owners in the Italian countryside to hire a mercenary fleet in which to sail to freedom. Sailing away was the last thing Crassus wanted Sparticus to do. He needed a convenient enemy with which to terrorize Rome itself for his personal political gain. So Crassus bribed the mercenary fleet to sail without Sparticus, then positioned two Roman legions in such a way that Sparticus had no choice but to march on Rome. Terrified of the impending arrival of the much-feared army of gladiators, Rome declared Crassus Praetor. Crassus then crushed Sparticus' army and even though Pompeii took the credit, Crassus was elected Consul of Rome the following year. With this maneuver, the Romans surrendered their Republican form of government. Soon would follow the first Triumvirate, consisting of Crassus, Pompeii, and Julius Caesar, followed by the reign of the god-like Emperors of Rome. The Romans were hoaxed into surrendering their Republic, and accepting the rule of Emperors. Julius Caesar's political opponent, Cicero, for all his literary accomplishments, played the same games in his campaign against Julius Caesar, claiming that Rome was falling victim to an internal vast right wing conspiracy in which any expressed desire for legislative limits on government was treated as suspicious behavior. Cicero, in order to demonstrate to the Romans just how unsafe Rome has become hired thugs to cause as much disturbance as possible, and campaigned on a promise to end the internal strife if elected and granted extraordinary powers. What Cicero only dreamed of, Adolph Hitler succeeded in doing. Elected Chancellor of Germany, Hitler, like Crassus, had no intention of living with the strict limits to his power imposed by German law. Unlike Cicero, Hitler's thugs were easy to recognize; they all wore the same brown shirts. But their actions were no different than those of their Roman predecessors. They staged beatings, set fires, caused as much trouble as they could, while Hitler made speeches promising that he could end the crime wave of subversives and terrorism if he was granted extraordinary powers. The Germans were hoaxed into surrendering their Republic, and accepting the rule of Der Fuhrer. The state-sponsored schools will never tell you this, but governments routinely rely on hoaxes to sell their agendas to an otherwise reluctant public. The Romans accepted the Emperors and the Germans accepted Hitler not because they wanted to, but because the carefully crafted illusions of threat appeared to leave no other choice. Our government too uses hoaxes to create the illusion that We The People have no choice but the direction the government wishes us to go in. In 1898, Joseph Pulitzer's New York World and William Randolph Hearst's New York Journal were arguing for American intervention in Cuba. Hearst is reported to have dispatched a photographer to Cuba to photograph the coming war with Spain. When the photographer asked just what war that might be, Hearst is reported to have replied, You take the photographs, and I will provide the war. Hearst was true to his word, as his newspaper published stories
[CTRL] Definitions
-Caveat Lector- Karmageddon: It's like, when everybody is sending off all these really bad vibes, right? And then, like, the Earth explodes and it's like a serious bummer. Dopeler effect: The tendency of stupid ideas to seem smarter when they come at you rapidly. . . . A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Bush will get us into a war!
-Caveat Lector- So what do we do...just forget about the thousands that were killed a week ago? You're a REAL PATRIOT! -Original Message- From: Conspiracy Theory Research List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Steve Sent: Tuesday, September 18, 2001 5:01 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [CTRL] Bush will get us into a war! -Caveat Lector- Remember the election year rhetoric, Bush will to get us into a war!? Now many Americans, perhaps most, are falling all over each other exclaiming how great a leader Bush has suddenly become. It just goes to show us that we are not that smart, and we are mostly controlled by our emotions. I hope we will grow up soon, and suspect we will do so fast once the Afghanis start sending our soldiers back in body bags after being executed by skinning alive like they did with the Russian soldiers. I hope this does not happen, but fear that some our men and women will meet this horrible fate, and even worse. I hope it will all be worth it in the end, if there ever is an end to the fighting. Steve Steve Wingate, Webmaster ANOMALOUS IMAGES AND UFO FILES http://www.anomalous-images.com A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substance not soap-boxing please! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory' with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Uh-huh
-Caveat Lector- President Bush's cousin should have been in the World Trade Centre when it was attacked. Jim Pierce, managing director of AON Corporations, had arranged a business conference on the 105th floor of the South Tower where its New York offices were based. But his group was too large so they decided to move across the street to the Millennium Hotel. Two hundred AON staff are missing. See this story on the web at http://www.ananova.com/news/story/sm_401406.html A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Bush will get us into a war!
-Caveat Lector- On 18 Sep 01, at 5:53, tnohava wrote: So what do we do...just forget about the thousands that were killed a week ago? You're a REAL PATRIOT! I am only asking questions instead of blindly accepting everything at face value. I guess you progagly believe if we do not all march in lock step with the 'approved' reactions, we are not Real Americans. You will see I am right eventually, unless the truth is covered up. (But that would never happen in America???) But by then it will be way too late and many more will die. Attacks against Afghanistan will only start a Holy War and cause new terrorist attacks to be initiated at an increasing pace. Steve Steve Wingate, Webmaster ANOMALOUS IMAGES AND UFO FILES http://www.anomalous-images.com A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Bush will get us into a war!
-Caveat Lector- On 18 Sep 01, at 5:53, tnohava wrote: So what do we do... Bush should have been more concerned with foreign affairs and cooperating with our allies including listening to the advise of Russia regarding terrorism threats, rather than getting the tax cut for the rich, which has put us in an even worse position financially, with a return to deficit spending and/or borrowing from the social security and medicare funds. Steve Steve Wingate, Webmaster ANOMALOUS IMAGES AND UFO FILES http://www.anomalous-images.com A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] 4000 Israeli Employees in WTC Absent the Day of the Attack (fwd)
-Caveat Lector- I can't find any other mention of it other than comments upon the article itself - nothing that independently verifies its contents. On Tue, 18 Sep 2001, Kris Millegan wrote: -Caveat Lector- Is there any independent confirmation of any of this? the site may be agenda-charged. Om K A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] 4000 Israeli Employees in WTC Absent the Day of the Attack (fwd)
-Caveat Lector- The site definitely has an pro-Palestinian agenda: http://www.manartv.com/ Dear brother or sister Salam-u-Alaykom In support of the oppressed Palestinian people for the Sustenance of the Intifadah we invite you to donate money to the following address: To: On 18 Sep 01, at 9:59, Yardbird wrote: -Caveat Lector- I can't find any other mention of it other than comments upon the article itself - nothing that independently verifies its contents. On Tue, 18 Sep 2001, Kris Millegan wrote: -Caveat Lector- Is there any independent confirmation of any of this? the site may be agenda-charged. Om K A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om Steve Wingate, Webmaster ANOMALOUS IMAGES AND UFO FILES http://www.anomalous-images.com A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] September 11...(5)
-Caveat Lector- From: radtimes [EMAIL PROTECTED] September 16, 2001-On Friday, the Senate voted 98-0 for a war resolution. It says: The president is authorized to use all necessary and appropriat force against those nations, organizations, or persons he determines planned, authorized, committed, or aided the terrorist attacks that occurred on Sept. 11, 2001, or harbored such organizations or persons, in order to prevent any future acts of international terrorism against the United States by such nations, organizations or persons. This resolution, written as a blank check, is payable with vast quantities of human corpses. Oh please...cry me a friggin' river! It's payback time baby! I say we nuke 'em. Can't hide in tunnels from radiation sickness. Peace is WAY overrated. DC A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] September 11...(5)
-Caveat Lector- On 18 Sep 01, at 9:16, Don Capps wrote: Oh please...cry me a friggin' river! It's payback time baby! I say we nuke 'em. Can't hide in tunnels from radiation sickness. That would be very. Tunnels and caves would be a relatively good way to avoid radiation, and radiation would contaminate the environment and lead to further escalation including possible nuclear war. Steve Steve Wingate, Webmaster ANOMALOUS IMAGES AND UFO FILES http://www.anomalous-images.com A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Fw: LONG LIVE THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA
-Caveat Lector- They do the paperwork and underwriting for workers comp. --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -Caveat Lector- Anyone know what NCCI sells?? Whatever it is, I will NEVER buy it. __ Terrorist Attacks on U.S. - How can you help? Donate cash, emergency relief information http://dailynews.yahoo.com/fc/US/Emergency_Information/ A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] September 11...(5)
-Caveat Lector- From: Steve [EMAIL PROTECTED] That would be very. Tunnels and caves would be a relatively good way to avoid radiation, and radiation would contaminate the environment and lead to further escalation including possible nuclear war. Oh brother. Here we go. Possible nuclear war with just WHO Steve??? A bunch of Afghani herdsmen with AK-47's? Please. Granted, great guerilla fighters they may be. But nuclear capability? C'mon. That's a stretch, even by the incredibly credulous standards of the CTRL! So...let's see. What other Mid East baddie might engage in a bit of the old nuclear escalation. Oh! I know! Saddam Hussein. Yeah. Let's see. He could take an oil tanker and retrofit a missle gantry on the deck. Then he could load it up with a nuclear tipped SCUD. Then he could cross the Atlantic, park off the New York coastline, and (given the SCUD's known accuracy) might hit the Jersey swamps. Or how about one of those misnamed suitcase nukes? OK. Let's consider that scenario. Suitcase nuke goes off in a major US city, doing massive damage, albeit in an extrememly limited area (approx. 1 mile radius). Fallout is minimal precisely because the weapons are low yield. US reaction? The entire Arab world gets lit up like a Christmas tree. Now THAT'S what I call escalation! DC A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Former Chinese TV editor imprisoned for disseminating political e-mail
-Caveat Lector- Former Chinese TV editor imprisoned for disseminating political e-mail The Associated Press BEIJING (September 15, 2001 12:50 p.m. EDT) - A former Chinese television editor who used a Hong Kong-based Internet site to e-mail political articles to friends has been sentenced to three years in prison on subversion charges, a rights group said Saturday. Judges at the Intermediate People's Court in the southern city of Shaoyang had planned to sentence Zhu Ruixiang to nine months in jail, deeming that his crimes were not serious, the Information Center for Human Rights and Democracy said. But Communist Party officials overruled them and pushed for sterner punishment, the Hong Kong-based center said. The court informed Zhu's lawyer of the three-year sentence on Friday, the center said. Zhu, 50, is a former editor for Shaoyang television who for the past three years had worked as a lawyer, the center said. He was arrested May 7 by security agents in Shaoyang, Hunan province, about 1,000 miles south of Beijing. The center said Zhu was tried Sept. 10 and convicted of inciting the overthrow of state power, a subversion charge the government often uses against its critics. He was accused of using a Hong Kong-based free e-mail service to download reactionary articles from overseas that he then forwarded to 12 friends, the center said. It gave no details about the content of the e-mails. Chinese leaders, while keen to tap the Internet's economic advantages, also fear it could become a powerful forum for dissent. Special police units monitor Internet sites and e-mail traffic. Laws to prevent challenges to the Communist Party's monopoly on power have been expanded to cover activities online. Steve Wingate, Webmaster ANOMALOUS IMAGES AND UFO FILES http://www.anomalous-images.com A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Video game makers to remove some images of destruction from new releases
-Caveat Lector- Video game makers to remove some images of destruction from new releases By ANTHONY BREZNICAN, Associated Press LOS ANGELES (September 18, 2001 8:15 a.m. EDT) - Video game makers announced Monday that they will purge images of destruction involving New York City from new releases and will postpone the debut of terrorism-themed adventures after last week's attacks. Activision indefinitely postponed release of its Playstation game Spider- Man 2 - Enter: Electro a day before it was to hit stores because the superhero battles villains atop skyscrapers resembling the World Trade Center. A redesigned game will be available by the holidays, Activision president Ron Doornink said. Ubi Soft Entertainment said it would delay release of Tom Clancy's Rogue Spear: Black Thorn. The game, originally set for release Oct. 9, will hit stores only after themes similar to the terror attacks on New York and Washington are removed. Any events involving planes and terrorism will be the first thing we look at eliminating, said Cassie Vogel, Ubi Soft spokeswoman. The company wants to avoid stirring emotions unnecessarily and unwillingly offending the public, she added. Meanwhile, Microsoft Corp. has said it will erase the World Trade Center from the skyline of its upcoming Microsoft Flight Simulator 2002 - a series so realistic that some student pilots use it for training. And copies of Electronic Arts' war game Red Alert 2 are being altered because the cover depicts the World Trade Center and New York skyline in flames. Because the game hit shelves more than a year ago, Electronic Arts is also offering retailers the chance to trade old covers for new ones, spokeswoman Trudy Muller said. The game, which involves warfare in models of real cities, will not be altered, she added. The terrorist attacks already prompted Electronic Arts to suspend Majestic, a game involving murder and sabotage that is played through the Internet. Many in the entertainment industry have reviewed upcoming products in the wake of Tuesday's terrorist attacks. The record label 75Ark changed the cover art for anti-capitalist rappers The Coup's new album Party Music because it featured the World Trade Center towers exploding. Steve Wingate, Webmaster ANOMALOUS IMAGES AND UFO FILES http://www.anomalous-images.com A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] The Enemy Within
-Caveat Lector- The Enemy Within http://www.debka.com/ 15 September: Mohamed Atta and his cousin Marwan Ashehri, two of the 19 hijackers named by the US Justice Department, as perpetrators of the New York World Trade Center and Pentagon, Washington suicide attacks, have been variously described as Egyptian and Saudi nationals. DEBKAfileâs intelligence sources have turned up their real identity: they were Palestinian- Americans. Atta was implicated in a series of bus bombings that hit Jerusalem in 1996. He evaded Israeli capture by going to ground among his relatives in America. The US authorities at the time turned down Israelâs request to extradite this US national. Our sources further identify Atta as the scion of a prominent, affluent family in El-Bireh, Ramallah, one of whose members is a former mayor and most of whom carry American citizenship, as do many elite Palestinian families in Ramallah and its environs. The latest information coming out of the FBI investigation traces Atta, Ashehri and another of the 7 suicide pilots, Ziad Jarrah, from the Lebanese Beqaa Valley, to Hamburg four years ago, where they established an Islamic terrorist cell. DEBKAfile âs terrorist experts note that this cell based itself on a much older German-based terrorist group â the one involved in the 1988 PanAm 103 terrorist disaster over Lockerbie, Scotland, in which 270 died. Atta, who set up an Islamic prayer room in the local university, was known in Hamburg as âMohamed el-Amirâ. Ashihri registered for studies, but never turned up. Jarrah, who flew aboard the plane that crashed near Pittsburgh, went from Germany to Afghanistan eighteen months ago and from there to Miami, Florida. It now appears that some of the 7 suicide pilots may have trained not only in private flying schools in Florida, but at US military schools. That is yet another pointer to how well Islamic jihadists were able to secretly place themselves in American society and its institutions. The most recent penetration dates back 11 years at least, although its roots go back much earlier. In 1990, when the Afghan war ended with the Red Armyâs defeat, Osama Bin Laden, who led the international Islamic brigade America raised to fight the Red Army, turned coat. âAfghan Arabsâ - as those volunteers came to be known - were allowed to settle in the United States with their families. Some stayed loyal to their former commander and enlisted to the Al Qaeda, the militant movement Bin Laden created to fight the second surviving secular superpower, America. Those Afghan Arabs form the American-based core of Al Qaeda. A second important branch that buried its operatives inside the United States was the fanatical and violent Egyptian Jihad Islami movement, Bin Ladenâs foremost ally. In the latter half of the nineties, those two groups working hand in glove were joined by a younger generation of Arab Moslem militants from the Middle East, brought up in the tradition of suicide for the cause. According to DEBKAfileâs intelligence sources, those three branches, numbering no more than some 2,500 activists in all, form the engine powering contemporary international terrorism. They gained entry into the United States in the last 11 years with the help of moles and agents inside Americaâs governing institutions, including its intelligence machinery. Those agencies emphatically deny such penetrations. This is only partly true. Whereas it is inconceivable that US counterintelligence would directly hire Moslem terrorists, there are known cases of US double agents, who by definition serve two services, knowingly aiding an alien agency, which is close to the Bin Laden network. Furthermore, US counterintelligence has strived for two decades at least to penetrate the militant Islamic fundamentalist world by planting its own moles and double agents â with very little success. In most cases, those plants remained faithful to their religious tenets, not their American handlers, using their covert American connections to spread the fundamentalist net inside US intelligence itself. The Egyptian American, Aly Mohamed (see earlier article on this page), was certainly not the only terrorist in disguise to be accepted into the American military, where he pretended to serve US interests while actually working for Bin Laden. There must be hundreds of double agents like him burrowed under US security, some in a position to thwart the United Statesâ attempts to guard itself against the jihad menace. Steve Wingate, Webmaster ANOMALOUS IMAGES AND UFO FILES http://www.anomalous-images.com A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major
Re: [CTRL] (Fwd) Pictures The American Media Aren't Showing You : Massive
-Caveat Lector- no one has ever denied that Palestinians have a full range of beliefs and actions like any group of human beings. No intelligent person thinks all Palestinians think the same, share one monolithic belief set. That does not excuse the behavior of the ones who pay young men to walk into civilian areas and kill themselves and countless innocent others, for political reasons, with fairy tales of heavens rewards. Just as everyone knows Israelis also are not monolithic in belief, and many want peace and cooperation - which does not excuse those who are virulently racist or militaristic. It is not the function of our government to keep the citizen from falling into error; it is the function of the citizen to keep the government from falling into error. Justice Robert H. Jackson NEURONAUTIC INSTITUTE on-line: http://home.earthlink.net/~thew From: Euphorian [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Conspiracy Theory Research List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2001 23:26:55 -0500 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [CTRL] (Fwd) Pictures The American Media Aren't Showing You : Massive -Caveat Lector- --- Forwarded message follows --- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject:Pictures The American Media Aren't Showing You : Massive Demonstrations Against The Bombing In Palestine ; Not In My Name Coalition Date sent: Mon, 17 Sep 2001 12:07:39 -0400 Pictures The American Media Aren't Showing You Massive Demonstrations Against The Bombing In Palestine 9/17/01 12:07:39 PM Not In My Name Coalition Jeruslam, Occupied Palestine -- A Jewish anti-Zionist organization that is calling for an end to US aid to Israel, in conjunction with Palestinian information organizations, has placed on the internet a series of pictures showing demonstrations in Palestine that are either pro-US or anti-bombing, to counteract the media smear campaign, organized by American Zionists, that pretends to portray the Palestinian people as celebrating the attack. The Not In My Name Coalition, a Jewish anti-Zionist group, which is demanding, among other things, that Israel must end the military occupation, immediate[ly] end to collective punishments ... and human rights violations, and change ... US policy so that our tax dollars are not used to fund the military occupation. The website, set up with the Independent Palestinian Information Network, is http://www.infopal.org/docs/spics.htm Libertarian Socialist News Post Office Box 12244 Silver Spring, MD 20908 http://www.overthrow.com (check out our messageboards -- discuss this story on-line!) (Formerly http://www.libertariansocialist.com) --- End of forwarded message --- A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substance?not soap-boxing?please! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'?with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright frauds?is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector.
Re: [CTRL] Bush will get us into a war!
-Caveat Lector- I'm not sure what we should do - but the minute we kill an innocent civilian, we become terrorists as well. -- -- -- -- - -- - -- -- - - - - -- --- -- - - - - -- - - - -- -- - -- - The police aren't here to create disorder, they are here to preserve disorder. Mayor Richard Daley NEURONAUTIC INSTITUTE on-line: http://home.earthlink.net/~thew From: tnohava [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Conspiracy Theory Research List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2001 05:53:37 -0400 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [CTRL] Bush will get us into a war! -Caveat Lector- So what do we do...just forget about the thousands that were killed a week ago? You're a REAL PATRIOT! -Original Message- From: Conspiracy Theory Research List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Steve Sent: Tuesday, September 18, 2001 5:01 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [CTRL] Bush will get us into a war! -Caveat Lector- Remember the election year rhetoric, Bush will to get us into a war!? Now many Americans, perhaps most, are falling all over each other exclaiming how great a leader Bush has suddenly become. It just goes to show us that we are not that smart, and we are mostly controlled by our emotions. I hope we will grow up soon, and suspect we will do so fast once the Afghanis start sending our soldiers back in body bags after being executed by skinning alive like they did with the Russian soldiers. I hope this does not happen, but fear that some our men and women will meet this horrible fate, and even worse. I hope it will all be worth it in the end, if there ever is an end to the fighting. Steve Steve Wingate, Webmaster ANOMALOUS IMAGES AND UFO FILES http://www.anomalous-images.com A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substance not soap-boxing please! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory' with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substance?not soap-boxing?please! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'?with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright frauds?is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and
[CTRL] Anti-Bush Attacks [was Bush will get us into a war]
First. What is your evidence to say Bush "put us in an 'even worse' position financially"? Seems like just your opinion to me, without facts. Second. What is your evidence to insinuate that Bush was not as "concerned with foreign affairs" and "cooperating with our allies"? Third. What is your evidence that Bush is concerned with getting a tax cut for the rich? I just got my tax refund in the mail, did not know I was rich. If you cannot answer these questions I can hardlytake what you say seriously. I assume you want to be taken seriously? - Original Message - From: Steve To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, September 18, 2001 6:38 AM Subject: Re: [CTRL] Bush will get us into a war! -Caveat Lector-On 18 Sep 01, at 5:53, tnohava wrote: So what do we do...Bush should have been more concerned with foreign affairs and cooperatingwith our allies including listening to the advise of Russia regarding terrorismthreats, rather than getting the tax cut for the rich, which has put us in an evenworse position financially, with a return to deficit spending and/or borrowingfrom the social security and medicare funds.SteveSteve Wingate, WebmasterANOMALOUS IMAGES AND UFO FILEShttp://www.anomalous-images.comA HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/ADECLARATION DISCLAIMER==CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandicscreeds are unwelcomed. Substance-not soap-boxing-please! These aresordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'-with its many half-truths, mis-directions and outright frauds-is used politically by different groups withmajor and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought.That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, andalways suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives nocredence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply.Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector.Archives Available at:http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.htmlA HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of[EMAIL PROTECTED]/Ahttp:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/ATo subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email:SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED]To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email:SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED]Om
Re: [CTRL] Fwd: [CIA-DRUGS] Why search for Ben Laden cells in Ecuador??
-Caveat Lector- it doesnt say bin laden is there it says there may be a cell of his organization there -- -- -- -- -- - -- - -- -- - - - - -- --- -- - - - - -- - - - -- -- - -- - He who does not prefer exile to slavery is not free by any measure of freedom, truth and duty. Kahil Gibran, Spirits Rebellious NEURONAUTIC INSTITUTE on-line: http://home.earthlink.net/~thew From: Kris Millegan [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Conspiracy Theory Research List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2001 01:10:09 EDT To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [CTRL] Fwd: [CIA-DRUGS] Why search for Ben Laden cells in Ecuador?? From: David Goldman [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Monday, September 17, 2001 4:20 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] CC: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [CIA-DRUGS] Why search for Ben Laden cells in Ecuador?? Hmmm.could it be there is a suspicion (as I have wondered) of a wider network linking them to the drug cartel?? If the search is directed towards Colombia, then for sure it must exist. David Goldman Tuesday, September 18 2:51 AM SGT FBI, CIA to look for presence of Bin Laden network in Ecuador QUITO, Sept 17 (AFP) - Ecuador's top diplomat announced Monday that US FBI and CIA agents will travel here in coming days to join an investigation of a possible local presence of Saudi-born Islamic extremist Osama bin Laden's network. Foreign Minister Heinz Moeller told local television that Equador's military intelligence and police were conducting an investigation into the possible existence of such a cell. Ecuador is among 35 countries designated by the US Congress to be home to a cell of the militant terrorist network. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- FONT COLOR=#99FREE COLLEGE MONEY CLICK HERE to search 600,000 scholarships! /FONTA HREF=http://us.click.yahoo.com/47cccB/4m7CAA/ySSFAA/xYTolB/TM;BClick Here!/B/A -~- Please let us stay on topic and be civil. To unsubscribe please go to http://groups.yahoo.com/group/cia-drugs -Home Page- www.cia-drugs.org OM Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Another Bush in the Bunker - from OnLine Journal
-Caveat Lector- http://www.onlinejournal.com/Attack_on_America/McCarthy091701/mccarthy091701.h tml Another Bush in the bunker By Jack McCarthy September 17, 2001âA discerning Media Whores Online* reader nominated syndicated columnist Mark Shields, also a political analyst for The News Hour, as a non-whore for his lambasting of President Bush's resorting to cheerleading with a bullhorn in New York City on Friday. Shields rightfully chastised Bush for not only being a day late for everything, but for the lack of solemnity. Bush showed up yelling through a bullhorn as he did during his days as a collegiate cheerleader. Here in Florida brother Jeb is behaving rather peculiarly, as well. In a strange interview with the St. Petersburg Times' Julie Hauserman, Jeb, testy as ever, also acted like he was tranquilized. Asked to comment about the Florida investigation and the links of the dastardly deed to Flordia, Jeb blurted out, I don't want to know. Given another chance at coherence and a display of leadership and reassurance that Floridians hope to get from their leader, Bush again fell down on the job. I don't think its appropriate for me to know those things . . . I want to read about it in the newspaper, Jebb oddly said. The fear level runs high here in Florida. Not only were the perpetrators of Tuesday's Day of Infamy 2 linked to several cities in Florida, but some fear that because the infamous Penis shaped capitol, is said to be the fourth largest building in the U.S.âand Jeb is the brother of the presidentâan attack may occur here. Too bad that Jeb lacks the class of his predecessor Lawton Chiles who would have been on television reassuring the public. Well at least we can say Jeb didn't yell with a bullhorn. *http://www.mediawhoresonline.com McCarthy for 15 years was managing editor and a columnist for the Tallahassee independent daily, The Florida Flambeau, now defunct. He can be reached at [EMAIL PROTECTED] Samantha A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Bush will get us into a war!
On 18 Sep 01, at 5:53, tnohava wrote: So what do we do...just forget about the thousands that were killed a week ago? You're a REAL PATRIOT!I am only asking questions instead of blindly accepting everything at facevalue. Steve, what are the questions you are asking? I guess you progagly believe if we do not all march in lock step with the'approved' reactions, we are not Real Americans. I for one say that we should suport our president. Of course, I am a patriot, I love this country and I expect those who live here and reap its many benefits to love it, too. You will see I am right eventually, unless the truth is covered up. (But thatwould never happen in America???) But by then it will be way too late andmany more will die. Attacks against Afghanistan will only start a Holy War andcause new terrorist attacks to be initiated at an increasing pace. Manymore will indeed die. Let us fight to make men free. That is the great tradition of this great nation.
Re: [CTRL] Fwd: Sammy The Bull Gravano by Allan May
-Caveat Lector- this is the kind of stuff i read saba for never know in advance how far she will go amazing hey saba - it is said by whom? -- -- -- -- - -- - -- -- - - - - -- --- -- - - - - -- - - - -- -- - -- - The police aren't here to create disorder, they are here to preserve disorder. Mayor Richard Daley NEURONAUTIC INSTITUTE on-line: http://home.earthlink.net/~thew From: Saba [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Conspiracy Theory Research List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2001 01:23:06 -0400 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [CTRL] Fwd: Sammy The Bull Gravano by Allan May but I am wondering, inasmuch as Gotti is half Jewish it is said A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Bush will get us into a war!
bull. Name a war in history where there were not innocent civilian casualties. What you are really saying is you are a pacifist, and/or you want a surgical strike. a surgical strike against a far-reaching enemy is not possible this time. Get on board the Reality Train. -Caveat Lector-I'm not sure what we should do - but the minute we kill an innocentcivilian, we become terrorists as well.
Re: [CTRL] John Fund - Another Moralist Caught With His Pants Down
-Caveat Lector- http://www.onlinejournal.com/Commentary/Slate091101/slate091101.html September 11, 2001 Another Moralist Caught With His Pants Down This time it's Wall Street Journal moralist-in-chief John Fund. The same John Fund who has been so critical of Congressman Gary Condit. The same John Fund who went after former President Bill Clinton for the alleged acts he committed against women. The same John Fund who is cozy with the Bush White House and is a close friend of Grover Norquist, whom The Nation called the field marshal for the Bush policies. The same John Fund a regular on the television talk shows, who portrays himself as a spokesman for the religious right and condemns those who don't live up to the highest moral standards. It turns out that the hypocritical 46-year-old Mr. Fund, who has never married, is, as reporter John Connolly called him, a regular right-wing Lothario. The not-so-virtuous Mr. Fund, who hammered on Mr. Condit for telling his alleged paramours to lie about their relationships, did just that thing himself and when Mr. Connolly got the goods on himâin the form of a tape recordingâapparently tried to kill the story by attempting to plant false rumors in Talk magazine to scare his victims off. In this case, Mr. Fund went from mother to daughter and when daughter became pregnant, he abandoned her, allowing the distraught young women to have an abortion, without any support from him. Ah, but John Connolly tells this sick tale about Mr. Fund, Melinda Pillsbury-Foster and her daughter, Morgan, better than Ms. Sally can. You can read about it and hear the tape Ms. Pillsbury provided him at http://www.weaselsearch.com/jfund4654544318.htm. If there is a chuckle to this sad tale, it is the rapidity with which the right wing Free Republic http://www.freerepublic.com removes any mention of it from its message board. Sally Slate welcomes mail from her readers, especially mail containing factual items and tidbits from sources who can't go public. You may email her at [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Samantha A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Fwd: RE: [CIA-DRUGS] heroin bin laden connection- forward
In a message dated 9/17/01 10:15:13 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Preston et al: I am finishing a detailed article on this subject which I will be posting when done. For all of my economic research I have never seen numbers this exaggerated and find them suspect. The US GDP is only $10 trillion. The world GDP is less than $100. This guy has the idea right but the numbers are way off. The U.S. military budget is only $350 billion per year. It is impossible that there is $6.5 trillion or roughly 20 times that much in the illegal weapons trade. Mike Preston et al: I am finishing a detailed article on this subject which I will be posting when done. For all of my economic research I have never seen numbers this exaggerated and find them suspect. The US GDP is only $10 trillion. The world GDP is less than $100. This guy has the idea right but the numbers are way off. The U.S. military budget is only $350 billion per year. It is impossible that there is $6.5 trillion or roughly 20 times that much in the illegal weapons trade. Mike -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]Sent: Monday, September 17, 2001 12:49 PMTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: [CIA-DRUGS] heroin bin laden connection- forwardCurrently reported as centers of Islamic fundamentalism, Afghanistan and Pakistan are major centers of narcotics trafficking. http://www.dawn.com/2001/07/23/ebr7.htm This overlap suggests that links may exist between terrorist activity, on the one hand, and narcotics smuggling, on the other. Complex money laundering systems throughout Asia exist. These rely at least in part on parallel banking systems traditional to those societies. According to the article: "Conservatively estimated, total narcotic revenues today flowing back to offshore markets exceed $ 80 trillion. Add to it about $ 5,400 billion of annual flight of capital (evasion of tax and currency laws), as well as some $ 6,500 billion in illicit arms traffic, and various other categories of contraband-related funds. The cash flow of the underground economy via the offshore markets is of the order of $ 153.5 trillion per year. How much of this remains in the market's deposit base, and how much finds its way back to "laundered" investments inside various national economies, is difficult to estimate." Accordingly, if a terrorist / narcotics link exists, the funds available to bin Laden and his cohorts may greatly exceed the $300 million now currently reported. Ironically, one of the foremost money laundering centers today is Israel. see, eg: http://usinfo.state.gov/journals/ites/0501/ijee/fatffacts.htm Accordingly, Islamic terrorists may have very strange bed fellows indeed. Duncan C. Kinder [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please let us stay on topic and be civil.To unsubscribe please go to http://groups.yahoo.com/group/cia-drugs-Home Page- www.cia-drugs.org OM Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ADVERTISEMENT Please let us stay on topic and be civil. To unsubscribe please go to http://groups.yahoo.com/group/cia-drugs -Home Page- www.cia-drugs.org OM Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [CTRL] 4000 Israeli Employees in WTC Absent the Day of the Attack (fwd)
Perhaps it was broadcast? Following is a list of the al-Manar Frequencies where it's broadcasting: Digital receiver Ku Band uses the following address: USA and CanadaTelestar 5\ 97 deg. WestFrequency: 12152 MHZSymbol rate: 20.000Polarization: HorizontalFEC: 3/4Digital receiver C Band uses the following address: (Africa)Nss 803\ 338.5 deg. EastFrequency: 4055 MHZSymbol rate: 27.500Polarization: C.RFEC: 3/4You can receive Almanar using a digital receiver on Arabsat 3A the Lebanese bouquet:Arabsat 3A\ 26 deg.eastFrequency: 11787 MHZSymbol rate: 27.500Polarization: verticalFEC: 3/4 Or analog receiver use the following address:Arab Sat. 3A/ 26 deg. EAST* Frequency: 11823 MHZ* Polarization: VERTICAL Digital receiver Ku Band use the following address:Nile sat 101\ 7 deg. WestFrequency: 12054 MHZSymbol rate: 27.500Polarization: VerticalFEC: 3/4 - Original Message - From: Steve To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, September 18, 2001 9:16 AM Subject: Re: [CTRL] 4000 Israeli Employees in WTC Absent the Day of the Attack (fwd) -Caveat Lector-The site definitely has an pro-Palestinian agenda:http://www.manartv.com/Dear brother or sister Salam-u-Alaykom In support of the oppressed Palestinian people for the Sustenance of the Intifadah we invite you to donate money to the following address: To: On 18 Sep 01, at 9:59, Yardbird wrote: -Caveat Lector- I can't find any other mention of it other than comments upon the article itself - nothing that independently verifies its contents. On Tue, 18 Sep 2001, Kris Millegan wrote: -Caveat Lector- Is there any independent confirmation of any of this? the site may be agenda-charged. Om K A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substance-not soap-boxing-please! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'-with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright frauds-is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substance-not soap-boxing-please! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'-with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright frauds-is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] OmSteve Wingate, WebmasterANOMALOUS IMAGES AND UFO FILEShttp://www.anomalous-images.comA HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/ADECLARATION DISCLAIMER==CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandicscreeds are unwelcomed. Substance-not soap-boxing-please! These aresordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'-with its many half-truths, mis-directions and outright
Re: [CTRL] September 11...(5)
Don, I tried reasoning on Steve's fear and anger that good golly we may have to suffer and die for freedom. I'm sure I was nowhere near aseffective as you in this post. Thanks for being out there. Thanks formaking me laugh. Foxter - Original Message - From: Don Capps To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, September 18, 2001 9:48 AM Subject: Re: [CTRL] September 11...(5) -Caveat Lector-From: "Steve" [EMAIL PROTECTED] That would be very. Tunnels and caves would be a relatively good way toavoid radiation, and radiation would contaminate the environment and lead tofurther escalation including possible nuclear war.Oh brother. Here we go. Possible nuclear war with just WHO Steve??? A bunchof Afghani herdsmen with AK-47's? Please. Granted, great guerilla fightersthey may be. But nuclear capability? C'mon. That's a stretch, even by theincredibly credulous standards of the CTRL!So...let's see. What other Mid East baddie might engage in a bit of the old"nuclear escalation". Oh! I know! Saddam Hussein. Yeah. Let's see. He couldtake an oil tanker and retrofit a missle gantry on the deck. Then he couldload it up with a nuclear tipped SCUD. Then he could cross the Atlantic,park off the New York coastline, and (given the SCUD's known accuracy) mighthit the Jersey swamps.Or how about one of those misnamed "suitcase nukes"? OK. Let's consider thatscenario. Suitcase nuke goes off in a major US city, doing massive damage,albeit in an extrememly limited area (approx. 1 mile radius). Fallout isminimal precisely because the weapons are low yield. US reaction? The entireArab world gets lit up like a Christmas tree. Now THAT'S what I call"escalation!DCA HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/ADECLARATION DISCLAIMER==CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandicscreeds are unwelcomed. Substance-not soap-boxing-please! These aresordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'-with its many half-truths, mis-directions and outright frauds-is used politically by different groups withmajor and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought.That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, andalways suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives nocredence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply.Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector.Archives Available at:http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.htmlA HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of[EMAIL PROTECTED]/Ahttp:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/ATo subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email:SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED]To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email:SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED]Om
Re: [CTRL] Another Bush in the Bunker - from OnLine Journal
-Caveat Lector- From: Samantha L. [EMAIL PROTECTED] September 17, 2001âA discerning Media Whores Online* reader nominated syndicated columnist Mark Shields, also a political analyst for The News Hour, as a non-whore for his lambasting of President Bush's resorting to cheerleading with a bullhorn in New York City on Friday. Shields rightfully chastised Bush for not only being a day late for everything, but for the lack of solemnity. Bush showed up yelling through a bullhorn as he did during his days as a collegiate cheerleader. Ahem. How easy it is to be an armchair critic in these difficult days. First of all...Mr. Shields has obviously not had his cowardly little ass anywhere near so-called Ground Zero. If he had, he would know that there is absolutely no way to set up any sort of real public address system down there. A bullhorn is the only way to address the 5000+ rescue workers that are gathered there effectively. Plus, what's up with the day late for everything comment? He simply went there to encourage the rescue workers. There was no way to do so earlier, before some of the smoke and dust had cleared and the area was a bit more secure. Now, don't get me wrong. I'm no huge Bush fan. I voted for Keyes in the Republican primary and Buchanan in the general election. But I think it's smarmy and disengenuous of Shields to attack Bush under these circumstances. He's doing what any President would and should do in this situation. He's trying to bring some encouragement and hope to the exhausted rescue workers. If you ask me, it's Shields and his ilk who ARE the media sluts in this instance. DC A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Anti-Bush Attacks [was Bush will get us into a war]
-Caveat Lector- On 18 Sep 01, at 10:14, foxter wrote: First. What is your evidence to say Bush put us in an 'even worse' position financially? Seems like just your opinion to me, without facts. Before the tax cut and economic slowdown, we had a surplus. A week ago we were going to have to borrow 9 Billion dollars from the social security fund. Now we have had to spend $40 Billion more due to the attack and we are going to war. What more evidence do you need (unless you think deficit spending is good for the country.) It used to be the Republicans were calling for the 'evil Democrats' to balance the budget. Not anymore. They are the big spenders now, including their push for the New Star Wars, which will be extremely costly. Second. What is your evidence to insinuate that Bush was not as concerned with foreign affairs and cooperating with our allies? That was certainly the general consenus. He is for breaking the ABM treaty, breaking the ban on underground nuclear tests, and against the Kyoto protocol, all actions which our allies strongly oppose. Third. What is your evidence that Bush is concerned with getting a tax cut for the rich? I just got my tax refund in the mail, did not know I was rich. The vast majority of the tax cut went to the rich. You got your little $300 check, an advance subtracted from your 2001 refund, enough for a couple of new tires or maybe a golf club, so you're quite happy! Many of the rich got millions in tax relief. All of us will continue to pay huge interest payments on the massive debt which was created by Reagans stupid tax cut, a legacy that Bush seems quite content to leave us with as well. No, I do not think much of Bush, even if we are going to war. Why should I like him and support his treachery? Why do you? Steve Steve Steve Wingate, Webmaster ANOMALOUS IMAGES AND UFO FILES http://www.anomalous-images.com A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] But Mr. President, Can You HEAR Us?
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 09/15/2001 11:15:08 AM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: To this lady and others that don't get it, this is WAR ! Wake up and smell the chemicals in the air. W A R ! ! ! ! My husband has fought in three of them and we were both involved in the Gulf War as civilians. We do not welcome the prospect as enthusiastically as some. We must fight this war. Our country was attacked in a horrendous way, but war is always ugly, and this one promises to be moreso than most. Prudy A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Bush will get us into a war!
-Caveat Lector- From: thew [EMAIL PROTECTED] I'm not sure what we should do - but the minute we kill an innocent civilian, we become terrorists as well. I'm not trying to minimize the gravity of this situation by any means. As I see it, we are in deep doo doo no matter which course of action we take. However, by your definition, every war ever fought has been a terrorist action, including the American Revolution. Sorry. There is no such thing as a clean war. There has always been and always will be collateral damage (ie: loss of civilian life) in war. It's sad. But it's also inevitable. To quote George C. Patton : It is good that war is hell...otherwise we would grow to like it too much. DC A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Fwd: [CIA-DRUGS] Inept Intelligence or Willful Negligence?
September 17, 2001 http://www.counterpunch.org The Hunt for Bin Laden Zeroes Out By Alexander Cockburn and Jeffrey St. Clair The world's most wanted man, now magnified in the US press to mythic reach and wealth, has been the target of some hilariously inept US missions, Patrick Cockburn reports from Moscow. Russians are astonished by the US intelligence failure that allowed as many as 50 people to plot and train for their attacks on the World Trade Center and the Pentagon for 18 months. But the efforts of the US consulate in Peshawar, in the northwest province of Pakistan on the Afghan border, to trace and capture Osama bin Laden suggest an operation of extraordinary amateurism. In a bid to find him, the consulate last year distributed free matchboxes with a picture of Mr. bin Laden on the front and a message in Urdu offering $500,000 for information leading to his capture. It also promised confidentiality and asylum in the US for anybody who supplied the information. The chances of the matchbox ploy producing results was never high and may have been further reduced by a serious misprint: the consulate had intended to offer potential informants $5m but the printer accidentally omitted a zero, reducing the reward by a factor of ten. At the same time as the matchboxes were distributed, shopkeepers in Peshawar were surprised to discover that hundreds of 100-rupee notes written in the Pashto and Dari languages were also in circulation, overprinted with a message offering a reward for bin Laden. The US consulate denies having distributed the notes. Is Surprise Ever Truly Surprising? There's now plenty of evidence, some of it initially surfaced by CounterPunch, that before the September 11 attacks, US intelligence and security services knew something was in the offing. A quick look at some other notorious surprises confirms the fact that almost always there's some foreknowledge on the part of the target nation, but the information is shelved for a variety of reasons, some of them malign. Take the most famous surprise in American history: Pearl Harbor. Even leaving possible foreknowledge by President Roosevelt aside, it is beyond dispute now that US Naval Intelligence was well aware of Japanese plans for an attack. For example, the US ambassador in Tokyo, Joseph Grew, was told by a Peruvian diplomat that an attack was imminent. The so-called winds intercept refers to a radio message from the Japanese carrier force in the North Pacific, indicating that Japan was about to implement its attack plan. Again, there is no question that US Naval Intelligence intercepted this message. Added to other testimony we have CounterPunch's own direct knowledge of a woman who, in World War Two, supervised the US Navy's most secure and secret files in a Pentagon basement. Among super-sensitive documents in one safe was a copy of the Winds intercept, which she read. In the closing months of the war the Winds intercept disappeared from the file. Another supposed surprise to America was China's sudden, devastating intervention in the Korean War. In fact a top level Chinese Communist, Chou En Lai, summoned the Indian ambassador before the attack and gave clear warning of what the Chinese would do if America continued its drive north. Frantic warnings were sent to General Douglas McArthur, directing UN forces in Korea. The warnings were disregarded. Nor was the Tet offensive, so devastating to US morale in the Vietnam war, a surprise to US intelligence officers, who sent both President Lyndon Johnson and General Westmoreland briefings on the impending attacks, only to be told to rewrite the reports, which contradicted rosy assumptions of the weakness of the Vietnamese NVA and NLF. A CIA analyst called Fred Fear accurately predicted Yom Kippur war, Egyptian leader Anwar Sadat's stunning attack on Israeli forces across the Suez Canal in 1973. Months earlier Fear noted heavy purchases of bridging equipment by the Egyptians. From the orders, he deduced the size of the Egyptian force and the number and whereabouts of the bridges. He also drew a map. His report was filed and forgotten. When the attack came on October 6, 1973, his superiors pulled his report out of the files, tore out his map and sent it to the White House, relabeled as current intelligence. The arrival of the Muslim suicide truck driver who blew up the Marine barracks outside Beirut in 1983, killing over 200 was preceded by plenty of warnings. And as for Saddam Hussein's invasion of Kuwait in 1990, as the world later learned, US envoy April Glaspie had earlier told Saddam that possible border adjustments between Iraq and Kuwait were not a concern of the United States. CP GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor
[CTRL] Fwd: [CIA-DRUGS] drudge: MILLIONS OF SHARES SOLD ON EVE OF DISASTER
on the eve of the bay of pigs, allan dulles et al were shorting sugar. if you work for richard mellon scaife, a sense of history is--almost by definition--superfluous. CIA PROBE: MILLIONS OF SHARES SOLD ON EVE OF DISASTER; DID BIN LADEN PULL OFF THE SICKEST SHARE DEAL EVER? DAILY MAIL 09/18/01 The CIA has asked the City regulators in London to investigate suspicious sales of millions of shares before last Tuesday's attacks in America in the belief that the paper trail will lead to the terrorists. MORE Osama Bin Laden could have pulled off a sick financial coup shortly before the attacks that devastated America. Britain's City watchdog, the Financial Services Authority, has launched an inquiry into unusual share price movements in London before last week's atrocities. Other investigations have been launched in the U.S., Germany, Japan and Italy. The authorities fear that the Saudi-born multi- millionaire's followers might have used a technique known as 'short selling' shares in commodities such as insurance companies, airlines and tourism which they knew would plunge after the attack. Short selling involves borrowing shares from a broker, then selling them. You use the money raised to buy the shares when the price has gone down, give them to the broker and pocket the difference. So if you sold a million shares at GBP 8 each, and they then went down to GBP 5, you could make a quick GBP 3million less the broker's fees and commission. 'It would be a particularly ghoulish kind of insider dealing,' said one source. 'But if we find anyone profiteering out of the tragedy it could be a good lead for the investigation into exactly who is responsible.' The authorities are also looking for any unusual buying activity in sectors likely to go up, such as building or arms manufacturers. Germany's security watchdog has launched an inquiry into 'suspect' share price movements in the run-up to the atrocities. It is expected to home in on Munich Re, the world's biggest reinsurer, which lost 13 per cent of its value in the week before the attacks. Fellow reinsurer Swiss Re and the French insurance giant Axa also suffered price falls before the outrage. In cases of widespread short selling, the brokers start to follow the trend to cover themselves and this can force the market down. U.S. Treasury Secretary Paul O'Neill said: 'We are going to track down every terrorist and confiscate their money wherever it is in the world. 'And I think we'll have the co-operation of every financial institution in every civilised society. 'We're going to shut these people down.' A similar investigation is under way in Japan, where it is believed to be focusing on dealings in futures contracts. In the futures market, investors bet on the future price of shares or commodities and can make enormous gains if their gambles prove correct. Bin Laden comes from a wealthy Saudi business family and is believed to have financial tentacles reaching across the globe. He is reported to have used a Milan brokerage to invest in European stock markets. The Swiss authorities are also looking closely at his links with their country's notoriously secretive banking system. END Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- FONT COLOR=#99Get your FREE credit report with a FREE CreditCheck Monitoring Service trial /FONTA HREF=http://us.click.yahoo.com/MDsVHB/bQ8CAA/ySSFAA/xYTolB/TM;BClick Here!/B/A -~- Please let us stay on topic and be civil. To unsubscribe please go to http://groups.yahoo.com/group/cia-drugs -Home Page- www.cia-drugs.org OM Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [CTRL] Anti-Bush Attacks [was Bush will get us into a war]
-Caveat Lector-
From: Steve [EMAIL PROTECTED]
That was certainly the general consenus. He is for breaking the ABM
treaty, breaking the ban on underground nuclear tests, and against the Kyoto
protocol, all actions which our allies strongly oppose. {snip} No, I do not
think much of Bush, even if we are going to war. Why should I like him and
support his treachery? Why do you?
Don here...just checking in from Right Wing Nationalist Central.
Sorry to burst your bubble here...but just what treachery are you
referring to? Documentation please? Or is that too much to ask of you?
Now, let's turn from the vague generalities to the specifics of your post.
For one thing, let's take a closer look at the Kyoto Protocol, of which you
apparently approve...
When George W. Bush made his first trip to Europe as President in June, the
anti-Bush U.S. media, the anti-U.S. European socialists, and the anti-growth
green parties were all lying in wait to grab headlines at his expense. They
zeroed in on Bush's withdrawal from further negotiations on the Kyoto
Protocol, also known as the Global Warming Treaty.
President Bush deserves an A from Americans for his five-nation European
tour because he stood firm on his Kyoto decision despite daily hammering
from big media in the United States to try to get him to change his mind.
Let's have a reality check about Kyoto.
The worldwide push for this fraudulent treaty got off the ground at the 1992
UN Earth Summit in Rio de Janeiro, which produced several international
agreements including the United Nations Framework Convention on Climate
Change. This called on countries to take voluntary actions to reduce
greenhouse gas emissions (principally carbon dioxide, CO2) to their 1990
levels. This agreement was, unfortunately, signed by President George Bush I
and ratified by the Senate in 1992.
The first lesson we should learn from this is the folly of signing UN
treaties that are called voluntary. Any treaty called voluntary will surely
morph into Other Countries' Great Expectations, which in turn will morph
into demands by foreigners abroad and globalists at home that we meet our
alleged obligations.
Buried in the treaty's verbiage was this sentence: The developed country
parties should take the lead in combating climate change and the adverse
effects thereof. Now the UN propagandists are asserting that this alleged
international law binds the United States not only to actually do what was
called voluntary (dramatically reduce our CO2 emissions), but to do it
immediately regardless of when, if ever, other countries do anything to
conform to the treaty's goals.
UN bureaucrats and Non-Governmental Organizations (NGOs) have been working
for years to turn this voluntary Rio agreement into a legally binding
agreement called the Global Warming Treaty. The new treaty was agreed to by
Vice President Al Gore in Kyoto, Japan in 1997 and signed in New York in
1998. Ever since, it's been called the Kyoto Protocol. Fortunately, treaties
do not bind the United States unless ratified by two-thirds of the Senate.
The Kyoto Protocol would require the United States to reduce our greenhouse
gas emissions to 7% below our 1990 levels, a tremendous reduction in our
energy consumption (our use of electricity, gas, oil, and gasoline) and
therefore in our standard of living. However, Kyoto would impose no
limitations on 130 developing nations, including China (the world's second
largest emitter of greenhouse gases), India, Mexico and Brazil, and would
allow Europeans to evade reductions by averaging among the European Union
(EU) countries.
Kyoto is so manifestly unfair to the United States that the U.S. Senate went
on record against it in 1997 by passing the Byrd-Hagel Resolution 95-0 to
warn our President that the treaty would not be ratified. President Bush is
obviously reflecting American views when he withdrew from negotiations.
Who is behind Kyoto?
Kyoto is an issue that brings together many different anti-American
interests, all of which enjoy wide access to the media.
The anti-growth socialists, particularly the European countries that have
moved left in recent years. The socialist mindset opposes economic growth
and instead welcomes a scarcity of resources so that big government can
apportion or ration the scarce resources. The private enterprise system, on
the other hand, produces abundance so that a rising tide lifts all boats. It
is clear that the Kyoto restrictions would restrict economic growth.
The foreign dictators in the United Nations who look upon the UN as a forum
where they can demand that the United States redistribute our wealth to
them. Our foreign aid never gets to the poor people who need it; it is
gobbled up by the ruling tyrants.
The cult of radical environmentalists who believe we should subordinate our
standard of living to the supremacy of global ecology or, as Al Gore said in
the title of his book, force us to put Earth in the Balance. These groups
have great sums
[CTRL] Fwd: [CIA-DRUGS] Fwd: [Spy News] 08/14/2000 | UK, US encouraged opium smuggling during Afghan ...
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[CTRL] Fwd: [CIA-DRUGS] impresssions of a Manhattanite
Hey all, My impressions. Peace, Preston WTC Attack: Impressions of one Manhattan resident By Preston Peet The sense of disbelief I feel when I look out my window while typing reminds me of the smoke plume still rising from the downtown NYC skyline tonight, nearly 60 hours after the first jetliner plowed into the World Trade Center: intangible and hard to grasp, but oppressive and overwhelming just the same. The reality of the Towers was firm, an everyday thing. They were always within view from just about anywhere on the island, but that reality has been eradicated permanently. It is hard to grasp even now, but the silence of the streets outside, the stench of smoke wafting in, and that huge empty hole in the city skyline all slap me with reminders. The World Trade Center is no more. Just before 10AM Tuesday morning a message was left on our answering machine. "Please call, I’m worried about you in the city," said my girlfriend’s mother. Wondering what she was talking about, my girlfriend got out of bed and strolled to the front room to play back the message, flipping on the tv as she did. Seeing the WTC burning on the screen, she leaned over and took a look out the window. When we moved into this apartment last year, we’d both commented on how great a view we had of the WTC. She called me with an urgency that brought me running. Tower 2 had just fallen, the resultant cloud of dust and smoke nearly obscuring the fact from our window, but Tower 1 was clearly on fire like a giant torch, flames visible through unfathomable, gaping, jagged holes multiple stories large way up high in the sides of the Tower. Already, as I threw on some clothes, my mind was trying to wrap itself around what was happening, imagining how odd it was going to look with just the one Tower standing. The tv was blaring alarming reports of a plane, or as I subsequently found out 2 planes, striking the Towers, of another hitting the Pentagon, of a car bomb outside the US State Department, a fire on the Washington Mall, and up to a total of 8 jets out of contact with air traffic controllers and possibly hijacked by knife-wielding terrorists. President Bush was speaking at a school I attended in my hometown of Sarasota and it was my birthday. The whole thing was just too surreal, but it got even more so very quickly. Grabbing a camera, I tore up the stairs to the roof, where the unobstructed view from just south of Houston Street allowed me to begin snapping photos. The crystal clear blue sky had a roiling black wound on it spreading to the South, ugly black smoke that rose into the air from the one remaining Tower, and the empty hole beside it, pouring East across the water to cover Staten Island. The scene was something from a dream, a nightmare, so utterly beyond anything that I ever expected to be witness to that I could only stare, snapping away with my camera, thinking of the people on what I now knew to be two planes diving into the Towers, one after the other. Another tenant who witnessed the second jet slam into Tower 2 described it to me, the horror etched on her face as she related seeing the second plane deliberately crash headlong at high speed into the side of the Tower then explode in a huge ball of flame and debris. After a few minutes upstairs, people from all around me on my roof and many of the surrounding buildings began screaming, "Oh God, there it goes!" Quickly raising my camera, I took pictures as Tower 1 cracked, broke and began to crumble in what appeared to me from my vantage point slow motion onto downtown Manhattan below. Then all I could say over and over was, "those poor people, all those poor people," as a writhing cloud of hell on Earth covered the lower part of Manhattan like a living animal, obliterating many of the remaining high-rise buildings from view. I’m grateful I didn’t witness the people falling from the upper floors where I stood, and even more so that I don’t live south of Canal Street, now the northern border of a 5-mile crime scene and disaster area cordoned off by police and national guard units. Until Wednesday night, we couldn’t even smell the smoke here. But we sure saw the people fleeing on foot north through Manhattan that morning. Avenue A had more pedestrian traffic than I’ve seen in almost 8 years in NYC. Most had paper masks covering their faces or hanging around their necks with their loosened ties and collars, many were covered in soot and dust, and all had an eerie, somber air to them, tense and confused. Military jets were crisscrossing periodically overhead, adding to the air of siege that permeated the city. Walking across the island a few hours later, seeing the pall on the lower horizon each time we crossed an avenue affording us a view of the sky formerly hidden by the WTC, it felt like being on the largest movie set imaginable. The massive destruction and the audacity of the attacks both here and on the Pentagon, the loss of life estimated into
[CTRL] ICC a spearhead toward globalist police state...
Unsafe in Any Formby John F. McManus Those who think that getting half a loaf is better than getting nothing may be correct in the case of the starving man. But in political matters, the adage can play right into the hands of an enemy. This may turn out to be the case with the impending creation of the UNs International Criminal Court (ICC). In this instance, a congressional measure supposedly designed to protect some Americans from any future ICC prosecutions may, in fact, be leaven for the half loaf, and help bring into being a temporarily toothless international court whose teeth can be put in place later, as the political climate allows. The measure, entitled the America Servicemembers Protection Act, would bar U.S. military assistance to any non-NATO nation that ratifies the ICC treaty. It would prohibit U.S. troops from serving in any UN peacekeeping operation unless the UN grants them immunity from possible prosecution. And it would authorize the use of force to rescue any American or allied soldier held by the soon-to-be-created court. House leaders have even threatened to hold up payment of back dues to the UN until they receive assurance from President Bush that he will support their move. This sounds like a tough stand for which supporters in Congress (it has already won approval in the House by a 282-137 margin) should be given a pat on the back. But the measure only protects one category of Americans. What about politicians, writers, organization leaders, teachers, and others whose stands might be considered genocidal or racist, or might otherwise be construed to fit into the ICCs incredibly open-ended category of "crimes against humanity"? The International Criminal Court will claim jurisdiction over everyone on the planet as soon as the ICC is ratified by 60 nations, an arbitrary number chosen by its globalist architects to allow the Court to open up shop. President Bush says he opposes U.S. ratification, but the move by the House amounts to an admission that the proposed ICC is a fait accompli. As such, the House measure is no more than a weak palliative, intended only to make the court more palatable for conservatives. But we must remember the proven tactic of first getting a law or institution on the books and later "reforming" it so it can accomplish everything its authors originally intended. The restrictions on the proposed ICC sought by the House in this Act could be negated down the road. This strategy has been used before. The cabal that brought this nation the Federal Reserve system in 1913 knew everything it sought couldnt be obtained all at once. All it wanted from Congress was to get the monster born. Most Fed opponents believed Congress had created a relatively toothless entity that would pose no major problems for the nation. Once established, however, additional legislative "reforms" supplemented the Feds power and built it into what it is today. Now, the nation can be yo-yoed from boom to bust, from inflation to deflation, from expansion to recession; one man, the supposedly infallible Alan Greenspan, makes economic decisions affecting 270 million Americans, not to mention the overwhelming majority of the worlds other inhabitants. Another example of this process is the UN itself. In 1945, a war-weary Senate voted overwhelmingly to have our nation join the United Nations as a way to prevent future wars. In the ensuing years, there have been more wars, not fewer. Today, the world finds the UN sticking its nose into population control, religion, property rights, education, military, weapons ownership, parental rights, environmental concerns virtually everything imaginable. The UN, well on the way to becoming the unchallengeable world government most of its founders expected, is constantly being "reformed." Then theres NATO. In 1949, over the objections of a minority in the Senate, the U.S. agreed to the formation of the North Atlantic Treaty Organization. Sold to the American people, and to many naïve senators, as a way to defend against Soviet expansionism, NATO was at its outset solely a military alliance. But it has now been "reformed" to include political and economic roles. The Endangered Species Act (ESA) is another example of this strategy at work. Did those who allowed passage of the ESA expect it to shut down logging industries, ruin livelihoods for farmers and ranchers, and stop industrial development? Was the Clean Water Act sold to Congress with the draconian controls it now possesses over this essential commodity? Does no one recall that the income tax was never to exceed five percent? The list of toothless half-measures that got "reformed" into oppressive bureaucratic monstrosities would fill many pages. Supporters of the American Servicemembers Protection Act include many generally reliable congressmen. But they and the public at large are being conditioned to believe that Americans will be
Re: [CTRL] Arizona store owner killed in spree (fwd)
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 09/16/2001 2:57:12 PM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: In my own nievity, I had assumed that, though some Americans would show anger and hatred toward all those of Arab and South Asian descent following the attacks on Tuesday, no one would go as far as killing someone. I was wrong. Headline: azcentral.com - Store owner killed in spree Yes, and if you examine this act closely, you will see it is an act of terrorism. Prudy A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Fwd: [CIA-DRUGS] Strategic Air Command
In a message dated 9/17/01 10:18:23 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Finally, in 1974, when I was in the Marine Corps, and a crew chief on a CH 46 helicopter stationed at MCAS Quantico, VA, we often flew up to DC, and up and down the Mall. We had to be very careful at the time to maintain our altitude between 250 and 450 ft (within 3 miles of the Capitol Bldg), or the Strategic Air Command would blow us out of the sky. Question: Where was the SAC last Tuesday morning? This borders on the evidentiary. What is the mechanism by which SAC responds to an air threat to the Pentagon? Is it radar-triggered? What do they scramble? Didn't ya know, the generals get all there info from CNN . . . Osma Bin Laden, as far as I know, doesn't have the authority to disable SAC. As in the JFK hit, who has the power to get the military to stand-down and watch whilst a coup happens in broad daylight and live on TV? This operation was pulled off by multi-generational cults, secret socities. The Bush family have been members of the Order of Skull and Bones, aka The Brotherhood of Death since 1917. They are also related to the Whitneys, the Cabots, the Cheneys, the Tafts, the Roosevelts, etc. This operation has been a mass-trauma mind-control operation, perpetuated by elite deviants. . Om K Om K Please let us stay on topic and be civil. To unsubscribe please go to http://groups.yahoo.com/group/cia-drugs -Home Page- www.cia-drugs.org OM Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [CTRL] Suicide Hijacker Alive And Well In Jeddah
-Caveat Lector- Well if we needed proof that our Intelligence lacked intelligence I guess this is it. Prudy A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Fwd: [CIA-DRUGS] Strategic Air Command
-Caveat Lector- Finally, in 1974, when I was in the Marine Corps, and a crew chief on a CH 46 helicopter stationed at MCAS Quantico, VA, we often flew up to DC, and up and down the Mall. We had to be very careful at the time to maintain our altitude between 250 and 450 ft (within 3 miles of the Capitol Bldg), or the Strategic Air Command would blow us out of the sky. Question: Where was the SAC last Tuesday morning? Ahhh. At last. Something we can sink our teeth into. I have been pondering the exact same thing. I do know that eyewitnesses say the jet which hit the Pentagon came in VERY low. My brother works quite near the Pentagon and he told me that the plane came down the Potomac, hugging the suface closely enough to stir the water so obviously the pilot was trying to evade radar. But nonetheless, one has to wonder where the jets from Langley were? Was it so unexpected that they had no time to scramble? And what of the FAA? No alert when these planes so suddenly and radically diverted from their respective flight paths? DC A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] The Need For Dissent/UK Guardian
-Caveat Lector- http://www.guardian.co.uk/Archive/Article/0,4273,4259207,00.html The need for dissent Voices from Britain and the US highlight the risks of a hasty response Special report: terrorism in the US George Monbiot Guardian Tuesday September 18, 2001 If Osama bin Laden did not exist, it would be necessary to invent him. For the past four years, his name has been invoked whenever a US president has sought to increase the defence budget or wriggle out of arms control treaties. He has been used to justify even President Bush's missile defence programme, though neither he nor his associates are known to possess anything approaching ballistic missile technology. Now he has become the personification of evil required to launch a crusade for good: the face behind the faceless terror. The closer you look, the weaker the case against Bin Laden becomes. While the terrorists who inflicted Tuesday's dreadful wound may have been inspired by him, there is, as yet, no evidence that they were instructed by him. Bin Laden's presumed guilt appears to rest on the supposition that he is the sort of man who would have done it. But his culpability is irrelevant: his usefulness to western governments lies in his power to terrify. When billions of pounds of military spending are at stake, rogue states and terrorist warlords become assets precisely because they are liabilities. By using Bin Laden as an excuse for demanding new military spending, weapons manufacturers in America and Britain have enhanced his iconic status among the disgruntled. His influence, in other words, has been nurtured by the very industry which claims to possess the means of stamping him out. This is not the only way in which the new terrorism crisis has been exacerbated by corporate power. The lax airport security which enabled the hijackers to smuggle weapons on to the planes was, for example, the result of corporate lobbying against the stricter controls the government had proposed. Now Tuesday's horror is being used by corporations to establish the preconditions for an even deadlier brand of terror. This week, while the world's collective back is turned, Tony Blair intends to allow the mixed oxide plant at Sellafield to start operating. The decision would have been front-page news at any other time. Now it's likely to be all but invisible. The plant's operation, long demanded by the nuclear industry and resisted by almost everyone else, will lead to a massive proliferation of plutonium, and a high probability that some of it will find its way into the hands of terrorists. Like Ariel Sharon, in other words, Blair is using the reeling world's shock to pursue policies which would be unacceptable at any other time. For these reasons and many others, opposition has seldom been more necessary. But it has seldom been more vulnerable. The right is seizing the political space which has opened up where the twin towers of the World Trade Centre once stood. Civil liberties are suddenly negotiable. The US seems prepared to lift its ban on extra-judicial executions carried out abroad by its own agents. The CIA might be permitted to employ human rights abusers once more, which will doubtless mean training and funding a whole new generation of Bin Ladens. The British government is considering the introduction of identity cards. Radical dissenters in Britain have already been identified as terrorists by the Terrorism Act 2000. Now we're likely to be treated as such. The authoritarianism which has long been lurking in advanced capitalism has started to surface. In these pages yesterday, William Shawcross - Rupert Murdoch's courteous biographer - articulated the new orthodoxy: America is, he maintained, a beacon of hope for the world's poor and dispossessed and for all those who believe in freedom of thought and deed. These believers would presumably include the families of the Iraqis killed by the sanctions Britain and the US have imposed; the peasants murdered by Bush's proxy war in Colombia; and the tens of millions living under despotic regimes in the Middle East, sustained and sponsored by the US. William Shawcross concluded by suggesting that we are all Americans now, an echo of Pinochet's maxim that we are all Chileans now: by which he meant that no cultural distinctions would be tolerated and no indigenous land rights recognised. Shawcross appeared to suggest that those who question American power are the enemies of democracy. It's a different way of formulating the warning voiced by members of the Bush administration: If you're not with us, you're against us. The Daily Telegraph has set aside part of its leader column for a directory of useful idiots, by which it means those who oppose major military intervention. Perhaps the roll of honour will soon include families of some of the victims, who seem to be rather more capable of restraint and forgiveness than the leader writers of the rightwing press. Mark Newton-Carter, whose brother
Re: [CTRL] Fwd: [CIA-DRUGS] Strategic Air Command
-Caveat Lector- And doesn't the US military have radar from the ground up, especially near their prohibited and restricted zones? Samantha In a message dated 9/18/01 11:00:13 AM Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Ahhh. At last. Something we can sink our teeth into. I have been pondering the exact same thing. I do know that eyewitnesses say the jet which hit the Pentagon came in VERY low. My brother works quite near the Pentagon and he told me that the plane came down the Potomac, hugging the suface closely enough to stir the water so obviously the pilot was trying to evade radar. But nonetheless, one has to wonder where the jets from Langley were? Was it so unexpected that they had no time to scramble? And what of the FAA? No alert when these planes so suddenly and radically diverted from their respective flight paths? DC A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
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By John F. Harris
Washington Post Staff Writer
Tuesday, September 18, 2001; Page C04
Conservative evangelist Jerry Falwell, who sparked an uproar by saying that liberal
civil-rights groups, homosexuals and abortion-rights supporters were partly
responsible for last week's terrorist attacks, yesterday apol
ogized for making remarks that he acknowledged seemed harsh and ill-timed.
Falwell, who made the comments in a discussion with fellow evangelist Pat Robertson on
the Christian Broadcasting Network's 700 Club, said in a statement posted on his Web
site that he was making a nuanced theological p
oint that was misunderstood by a secular media and audience.
Meanwhile, Robertson -- who on the show had responded to Falwell's comments by saying
I totally concur and Amen -- and later said the minister had been quoted out of
context -- yesterday issued a news release calling
Falwell's remarks totally inappropriate.
During the broadcast, Robertson said, he was caught off guard by remarks he considered
severe and harsh in tone, and said his colleague's discourse was frankly, not fully
understood by him or the show's other hosts.
Falwell maintained yesterday that his remarks were lifted from their context, though
many who were offended said the lengthy passages cited in media accounts made
Falwell's meaning plain. He said an angry God had lifted t
he protection he previously bestowed on the nation, allowing the enemies of America
to give us probably what we deserve.
Jerry, that's my feeling, Robertson replied.
I really believe that the pagans, and the abortionists, and the feminists, and the
gays and the lesbians who are actively trying to make that an alternative lifestyle,
the ACLU, People for the American Way -- all of them
who have tried to secularize America -- I point the finger in their face and say,
'You helped this happen,' Falwell said.
Falwell said yesterday that asserting these groups had incited God to lift his
protection was not saying that they were responsible. I hold no one other than the
terrorists, and the people and nations who have enabled an
d harbored them, responsible for the September 11 attacks on this nation, he said.
He added that he wished he had not mentioned specific groups like the American Civil
Liberties Union by name, and had not mentioned the failure of churches to halt a
generation of departure from God.
Falwell said I sincerely regret that the timing and wording of
the comments have detracted from the spirit of this time of
mourning.
Whatever their intent, both ministers caused a storm. A White House
official said Bush, who has drawn strong support from Robertson's
backers, considered them inappropriate. Among the deluge of e-mails
to this newspaper regarding the remarks was one from a student who
claimed he was so offended that he was dropping out of the Falwell-
founded Liberty University.
In a common response, another correspondent wrote: Falwell and
Robertson would do well to reflect on the fact that this tragedy was
begat by men who bear a remarkable resemblance to themselves: that
is, religious zealots who are motivated by deep hatreds.
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Re: [CTRL] Fwd: [CIA-DRUGS] Strategic Air Command
-Caveat Lector- From: Samantha L. [EMAIL PROTECTED] And doesn't the US military have radar from the ground up, especially near their prohibited and restricted zones? Nope. Radar is largely ineffective at altitudes below approximately 1000 feet or so (caveat: depending upon the terrain) largely due to ground clutter and so-called false echos (most often caused by heat convection). As the area surrounding DC is rolling hill country, I strongly suspect that ground clutter is an even greater factor. DC A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Baltic States in EU and NATO?????????
-Caveat Lector- . RIGA, TALLINN AND VILNIUS From The Economist print edition The Baltic states of Latvia, Estonia and Lithuania are close to joining the European Union and, perhaps, NATO too. How ready are they? A COLOSSAL ruined satellite dish and a cluster of derelict antennae deep in the Lithuanian countryside are the only remaining sign of the Linksmakalnis listening station, once one of the Soviet Union's most secret military installations in the Baltic states. The locals say hundreds of people once worked there, scouring the airwaves for secrets from Western Europe. To this day, officials cannot (or will not) say exactly what went on there. A few miles away a new lot of electronic snoopers are hard at work, but in the other direction. Radars all over the Baltic states, looking hundreds of miles deep into Russia and Belarus, beam data to powerful computers housed in a former Soviet nuclear bunker. Projected on to a giant screen in the control room are the results: the movements and identities of every aircraft in or near the region. Not that the watchers can do much about what they see, since the Baltic states have no combat aircraft to scramble against an intruder. But it is a start: it shows that the Balts are not just consumers of western security, but also providers. At a touch of a button the Baltnet system hooks up with similar radars in nominally neutral Finland to the north, and with NATO's own eastern defenses to the south. Even from outside NATO, the Balts can lend a human and electronic hand to the alliance. The Baltic states are hoping that projects like Baltnet will help their cause in the coming months, as NATO decides whether to include them in the next round of enlargement, or keep them waiting. Of late, the argument has shifted a bit in favour of the Balts. But the worriers go on worrying. Latvia, Lithuania and Estonia are three small new democracies, containing between them less than 8m people. Stuck between the Baltic Sea and Russia, they strike sceptics as indefensible. Their armed forces are still weak. Is it worth antagonizing the Kremlin for their sake? The question is what Russia would really do. President Vladimir Putin sounds less hawkish on this than some of his officials. He claims not to understand NATO's thinking, but reacts to talk of enlargement more in sorrow than in anger. Vyacheslav Nikonov, a political analyst close to the Kremlin, says that if expansion went ahead Russia would strengthen its forces in the Baltic region and perhaps even put nuclear weapons in Kaliningrad, the cut-off patch of Russia that lies to the west of the Balts. That would indeed be a show of force; but it would be one the rest of the world could probably live with. The three Baltic governments are eager to join the club. They have shown that they are prepared to spend a big share of their puny budgets on defense: fully 2% of national income. Hundreds of millions of dollars-worth of donated Swedish equipment will add beef in the coming years. The Balts may not be able to afford jet fighters, but they will have runways and hangars that can accommodate NATO ones. The Balts' cause is helped by Russia, which has misplayed its hand. The Kremlin claims at one and the same time that it poses no threat to the Baltic countries (and so NATO membership is unnecessary for them) but that its special interest in this region, as a chunk of the former Soviet Union, should be respected (therefore NATO membership is an insult to Russia). Enforced respect and unwanted influence are exactly the threats from Russia against which the Balts want NATO protection. Indeed, the Russians may hurt themselves by what they are doing. The Lithuanians, who sit next to Russia's outpost of Kaliningrad, say that many of the Russians now running Kaliningrad are far more relaxed about their territory's relations with the surrounding parts of Europe than their predecessors were a few years ago. They want to trade with their neighbors, and to let workers and capital move relatively freely across the region's borders. The government in Moscow is therefore running a large risk. If it stays cold towards the Balts, it may find that Kaliningrad, though still formally part of Russia, is in fact developing closer links with the rest of Europe than those it has with its old motherland. If NATO does take in one or more of the Baltic states, some juicy arms contracts will result. The main contractor for the $100m Baltnet radar was Lockheed Martin, one of whose senior executives also leads the main lobbying group for NATO enlargement. There is growing American enthusiasm for spreading NATO wider. Yet a fair question remains. Is America really prepared to stretch its nuclear guarantee to the Baltics, as it once covered Western Europe? Even if the answer is probably not, new members so far have not insisted on a specific commitment on this point. They live in hope. Stylish deception Membership of that other club they keenly hope
[CTRL] Lithuania: Leader Gives Reasons For Joining NATO
-Caveat Lector- Lithuania: Leader Gives Reasons For Joining NATO By Andrew F. Tully Washington, 11 September 2001 (RFE/RL) -- Lithuanian President Valdas Adamkus is countering what he calls the two chief arguments against NATO membership for the Baltic States. Speaking yesterday in Washington, Adamkus said those who oppose membership in the North Atlantic Treaty Organization for his country, as well as Estonia and Latvia, contend that the Baltic people are somehow different from citizens of NATO countries. And he said others object because including the Baltic states in NATO will anger Russia. Speaking at the Center for Strategic and International Studies, an independent policy institute, Adamkus said Baltic people share the same values as Americans and residents of Europe's members in the North Atlantic Treaty Organization. If you come to Lithuania today, you will find a country that is pro-Western, open and tolerant, and trying hard to make up for the time lost [under communism]. You will find an economy that is among the fastest growing in Northern Europe, and is increasingly oriented to trade with your [NATO] countries. You will find young people who have eagerly embraced [the] West as a model. And Adamkus said that Lithuania, at least, has no intention of angering Russia if it has the opportunity to join the Western alliance. In fact, he said, if the Baltic States become NATO members, they will look east for improved and mutually beneficial economic and political relations with Russia. The greater the progress we make in achieving our goals of integration into [the] Euro-Atlantic community, the greater [the] responsibility we have to look east and to develop a process that bridges us with the countries in that region. After his address, Adamkus was asked about concerns that NATO might lose its focus if too many more countries join. He dismissed that concern, saying the nature of the alliance would make that unlikely. As long [as] they have a very clear vision [of] what they are trying to accomplish, if NATO is considered as an internal security system of all the European countries, to me it doesn't make any difference if there are 30 countries or 10 countries. Besides the three Baltic States, other nations hoping to join NATO are Albania, Bulgaria, Croatia, Macedonia, Romania, Slovakia and Slovenia. All but Croatia are hoping to be accepted into the alliance during its summit, scheduled to be held in Prague in November, 2002.. Adamkus will be in Washington all this week. He is scheduled to meet today [Tuesday] with U.S. Vice President Richard Cheney and on Friday with Secretary of State Colin Powell. At various times during his stay, he will also consult with influential members of Congress, including Dennis Hastert (R-Illinois), the speaker of the House of Representatives, and Trent Lott (R-Mississippi), the Senate minority leader. Adamkus also will meet with American Jewish leaders about issues related to the Holocaust, and will attend ceremonies marking the 10th anniversary of Lithuania's independence. © 1995-2001 Radio Free Europe / Radio Liberty, Inc., All Rights Reserved. http://www.rferl.org __ Terrorist Attacks on U.S. - How can you help? Donate cash, emergency relief information http://dailynews.yahoo.com/fc/US/Emergency_Information/ A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Northern Lights
-Caveat Lector- From Page URL: http://www.nationalpost.com/commentary/columnists/story.html?f=/storie s/20010914/687448.html September 14, 2001 U.S. bashing no longer a game How do Canadian views compare with those of fanatics? Robert Fulford National Post Anti-Americanism, a staple of cultural and political life in Canada for longer than anyone can remember, has begun to feel different since the first pictures of the World Trade Center towers appeared on our TV screens Tuesday morning. We can't hope that anti-Americanism as a habit of thought was buried beneath the rubble of those falling buildings, but there's no doubt that events are forcing us to reconsider this persistent strain in our national psyche. The process of coming to terms with September 11 will include rethinking, in ways that may involve pain and embarrassment, Canadian attitudes to America. In particular we will have to compare them with the attitudes of the Islamic extremists who motivate suicide bombers by calling the United States the Great Satan. Do our views, and those of the world's most dangerous fanatics, have anything in common? We usually take this Canadian prejudice lightly, as a kind of foible, but we may have to begin seriously questioning it. Anti-Americanism is not the game that we have so often considered it. America is the most vital and progressive country in the world, the most significant source of democratic impulses, our best friend by far, and the place where much of our culture originates. If our intent is to be authentic and consistent, can we aff ord to share anything with those who base their politics on hating America? Perhaps we should acknowledge that reflexive anti-Americanism (as opposed to honest disagreement with the United States) is a poison afflicting large parts of the world, a poison we should purge from our own system. The late Frank Underhill, the University of Toronto historian who in 1933 wrote the founding document of Canadian democratic socialism, considered the everyday anti-Americanism of his fellow intellectuals laughable. He us ed to describe Canadians as the great pioneers of this sport; he suggested that foreign countries eager to work up public hatred of America should send delegations to Toronto to see it done by experts. He of course knew that the founding of Canada was in part an act of anti-Americanism, a rejection of the new Republic by people who came north as United Empire Loyalists because they chose to remain subjects of the Crown. But by the 20th century this historical movement had evolved into a neurotic and unthinking resistance to American ideas and even a kind of snobbery, both unfounded and pathetic. Typically, anti-Americanism in Canada foc uses on all that's tasteless or greedy in the United States and compares it with all that's most admirable in Canada. This is now the one form of prejudice that is accepted almost universally in Canada, tolerated in unive rsity classrooms and at dinner parties where racism and homophobia are considered shameful. We rarely argue about this subject, and therefore rarely sort out our ideas. Our habit is to dismiss periodic outbreaks of anti-Americanism as minor incidents that we can quickly forget -- the way that the Liberal party, for instance, forgot 1988. That was the year that the Conservatives destroyed Canada forever by signing a Free Trade Treaty that gave the Americans total power over every aspect of our life. Or so their opponents predicted. The Liberal leader, John Turner, based his national election campaign on fear and hatred of the Americans -- and came fairly close to winning. But when the election was over and Brian Mulroney's Tories had signed the agre ement, the Liberals began a long, furtive creep toward the Conservative position. By the time they were returned to power in 1993, with John Turner forgotten and Jean Chrétien the Prime Minister, the Liberals had adopted, without debate, the very policy they had denounced as treason. Having torn the country apart emotionally, turning husbands against wives and parents against children, they simply abandoned the subject. They probably thin k of it today as a minor incident, another political gimmick that didn't quite work, but surely it left a residue of anti-U.S. distrust. In the arts we deal with this ingrained prejudice differently. If we disagree with anti-American artists and works of art, we simply ignore their content and talk about style, form and freedom of expression. So anti-Ameri canism, no matter how silly or inconsistent, flourishes unhindered. We see this perverse approach to American power and influence as simply another form of creative expression. The late Greg Curnoe, whose art was given a major showing last winter at the Art Gallery of Ontario, made anti-Americanism more or less the centre of his intellectual life. As one of the stars of Canadian painting, he arg ued that a healthy Canadian culture required an
[CTRL] Anglo-Afghan War
-Caveat Lector- Linque to a history page http://www.geocities.com/Broadway/Alley/5443/afopen.htm A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] On the Source of All Grief
-Caveat Lector- From From the issue dated September 21, 2001 http://chronicle.com/free/v48/i04/04b00701.htm The Politics of Holiness in Jerusalem By BERNARD WASSERSTEIN Jerusalem, we are often told, is a holy city to three world religions. But the holiness of Jerusalem is neither a constant nor an absolute. It may be conceived of as divinely inspired or as a human attribution. What is undeniable is that, considered as a historical phenomenon, the city's sanctity has waxed and waned according to social, economic, and cultural conditions, and, perhaps above all, political influences. Judaism, Christianity, and Islam claim to venerate Jerusalem as holy - - and no doubt the adherents of each make the claim with full sincerity and zeal. But, in the case of the first, religious devotion did not carry with it, until very recently, a demand for restoration of sovereignty. As for the two successor faiths, of each it can be demonstrated that the holiness of Jerusalem was a late historical development rather than present ab initio. In all three cases, the dispassionate observer is compelled by the evidence to conclude that the city's sanctity arose as much from political as from purely spiritual sources. What is at stake here is not merely the destiny of one medium-sized city, nor even the resolution of the Israeli-Palestinian conflict, but nothing less than the future relationship of the Islamic, Christian, and Jewish wo rlds. Each has invested the Jerusalem question with emotional freight deriving from the attribution of holiness to specific areas of the city. Scholars of all three religions have been mobilized to verify the authenticity of proprietorial claims. As the Palestinian writer Edward Said has conceded, We must also admit that Jerusalem, in particular, and Palestine, in general, have always provoked extraordinary projections that have combined distant though reverential assertion with rude grabbing. Thus we find Elie Wiesel, in the summer of 2000, opposing the right of an elected Israeli government to cede Palestinian control over the greater part of the Old City of Jerusalem, which he said was far more central to Je wish identity and consciousness than to Islam. The late A.L. Tibawi, a Palestinian historian who worked in exile in Britain, wrote as if Jerusalem were sacred only to Muslims and Christians, denying Jews any legitimate pl ace there at all. Such denials continue today. On a recent visit to Jerusalem, I listened to a Palestinian scholar earnestly insisting that any Jewish religious interest in the Temple Mount was bogus, since the ancient Jewish Temple could be proved to have been sited elsewhere. There is nothing new in all this. Under Muslim, Christian, and Jewish rulers, generations of scholars have acted as handmaidens of power, embroidering history to justify exclusive political pretensions. Two Jewish voices. The first is that of Ananus, the oldest of the priests of Jerusalem on the eve of the destruction of the Second Temple 70 years after Christ. According to the account of his contemporary Josephus, Ananu s, in tears and casting his eyes toward the Temple, which had been seized by the party of Jewish extremists known as Zealots, said: Certainly it had been good for me to die before seeing the house of God full of so many abominations, or those sacred places that ought not to be trodden upon at random filled with the feet of these blood-shedding villains. The second voice is that of the proto-Zionist Moshe Leib Lilienblum. Writing in 1882 of the future Jewish state in Palestine, he declared: We do not need the walls of Jerusalem, nor the Jerusalem temple, nor Jerusalem itself. Two Jewish voices; two Jewish views of Jerusalem. The Jewish presence in the Holy Land may, as we are often told, have remained continuous throughout the period between the end of the second Jewish Commonwealth and the rise of Zionism. The contention is sometimes extende d to an allegedly continuous Jewish presence in Jerusalem. For example, the first president of Israel, Chaim Weizmann, in a speech in Jerusalem in 1948, referred to the unbroken chain of Jewish settlement in this city. Whatever the truth of such a claim for Palestine in general, the evidence for it in the case of Jerusalem is questionable. Jews were forbidden to live in the city under Roman and Byzantine rule. Although some Jewish pilgr ims appear to have visited it, there is no evidence of a Jewish community there between the second and the seventh centuries. Jews resumed residence in Jerusalem after the first Arab conquest of the city, in 638. A number of documents in the Cairo Geniza (a store of old manuscripts uncovered at the end of the 19th century) record financial contr ibutions by Jews in Egypt, Syria, and Sicily toward the support of poor Jews and the maintenance of a synagogue next to the Western (Wailing) Wall in Jerusalem. When the Crusaders conquered Jerusalem in 1099, Jews were once more
Re: [CTRL] Fwd: [CIA-DRUGS] Strategic Air Command
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 9/18/01 9:00:13 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Finally, in 1974, when I was in the Marine Corps, and a crew chief on a CH 46 helicopter stationed at MCAS Quantico, VA, we often flew up to DC, and up and down the Mall. We had to be very careful at the time to maintain our altitude between 250 and 450 ft (within 3 miles of the Capitol Bldg), or the Strategic Air Command would blow us out of the sky. Question: Where was the SAC last Tuesday morning? Not SAC. ADC is in charge of air defense. The real question is why were the alert fighters so far from Washington? Otis AFB in MA is not close to DC. Didn't they have any alert fighters at Dover AFB in DE? Thats just down the road. And if not, why not? BHoward Logicâ a means of terrifing liberals A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] The WTC collapse...from an engineering perspective.
-Caveat Lector- Thought you all might find this interesting... http://www.civil.usyd.edu.au/wtc.htm A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Fwd: [CIA-DRUGS] Strategic Air Command
-Caveat Lector- From: Bill Howard [EMAIL PROTECTED] The real question is why were the alert fighters so far from Washington? Otis AFB in MA is not close to DC. Didn't they have any alert fighters at Dover AFB in DE? Thats just down the road. And if not, why not? How about Langley...home to the US Air Combat Command 74th Tactical Fighter Wing? Asleep at the wheel? Logicâ a means of terrifying liberals How true. DC A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Rationality Lost ?
-Caveat Lector- From http://www.spinsanity.org/columns/20010917.html }}}Begin Is Rational Discourse Another Casualty of Tuesday's Attacks? By Ben Fritz ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) September 17, 2001 A time of tragedy is inevitably, and rightfully, a time of emotion. Just as so many of us are distraught, upset, and angry at the terrorist attacks against the U.S. last week, so too are many political pundits. We should expect no less, of course, as they are Americans who, like all of us, saw their nation wounded and friends endangered or even killed. They have a responsibility, however, not to allow the nation to descend into irrationality. Carefully reasoned, thoughtful political debate is in fact most necessary now as we consider the best course of action. An irrational political debate could lead to an ineffective or even counterproductive response, and also do lasting damage to the norms of American democracy. This is why some of the political rhetoric of the past week has been so troubling. Many pundits and editorial boards have given America exactly what it does not need: inflammatory rhetoric, wildly irrational political analyses, and extremely divisive attempts to stigmatize political opponents as anti-American. The inflammatory Most inflammatory rhetoric came in the guide of bomb now, ask questions later articles from writers apparently completely overcome with anger. The word irrational barely even applies here, as these articles lack even the pretense of rationality. Among those making such purely emotional calls for revenge were syndicated columnist Cal Thomas and the editorial boards of the New York Post and Philadelphia Daily News. The words of the News were easily the most chilling for those who believe logic and rational argument are important in politics, as its argument came down to one simple statement: [W]e will remember your actions, and crave only one thing: blood for blood. The News never identifies who the you in this sentence is, however, because we don't yet know, but it does prime its readers for bloodthirsty vengeance: REVENGE. Hold on to that thought. Go to bed thinking it. Wake up chanting it. Because nothing less than revenge is called for today. These words border on the authoritarian and the savage. Many Americans support a strong military response, of course, but The News's rhetoric encourages bloodlust rather than carefully reasoned action. The irrational Some pundits actually did take the time to present evidence in their analyses of last Tuesday's attacks, but failed to make rational arguments. Instead, they allowed overblown rhetoric and shaky reasoning to take them from the facts of the case to extreme conclusions or prescribed responses not at all supported by the evidence presented. Many of these illogical arguments could be found on the pages of National Review Online, by writers such as David Gelernter, William F. Buckley, and Michael Ledeen. The worst, however, came from columnist Ann Coulter. Her column abruptly transitions from a remembrance of her friend, conservative writer Barbara Olson, who died in the plane that hit the Pentagon, to a call to invade their countries, kill their leaders, and convert them to Christianity. The they in this sentence is Muslim terrorists, a group that Coulter simply assumes throughout her piece is both culpable and easily identifiable. Coulter's supposed logic for this extreme conclusion is that Those responsible include anyone anywhere in the world who smiled in response to the annihilation of patriots like Barbara Olson. The only people Coulter could possibly mean here are the group of Palestinians shown on TV celebrating at news of the attack on the U.S. Coulter's logic implies that simply celebrating a death makes people responsible for it, regardless of whether they played any role in it. And it is extremely disturbing to advocate military action against an entire nation, or nations, based on the beliefs of some people on the streets. Soon after, Coulter moves on to the topic of airport security, where her Muslim hijackers as they trope first rears its head: Airports scrupulously apply the same laughably ineffective airport harassment to Suzy Chapstick as to Muslim hijackers. It is preposterous to assume every passenger is a potential crazed homicidal maniac. We know who the homicidal maniacs are. They are the ones cheering and dancing right now. As I already stated above, however, it is not clear at all that the ones seen cheering and dancing are the homicidal maniacs. Also disturbing here is Coulter's assumption that Muslim hijackers are easily identifiable. Some people of Arab descent, likely to be Muslim, are identifiable, of course. And if Coulter simply means to promote racial profiling, she should state that explicitly. Instead, she absurdly assumes, with no evidence, that Suzy Chapstick (apparently everyone who is not a Muslim hijacker) is easy to separate from Muslims who intend to hijack airplanes. The divisive
[CTRL] Sammy the Bull
-Caveat Lector- thew wrote: this is the kind of stuff i read saba for never know in advance how far she will go amazing *** Me too, but then I've always been fascinated by Mafia tales. So is the American public, perhaps because they exemplify so clearly the fundamental methods and structure of business and politics. People used to laugh when I suggested that politics, business, and enforcement were all different aspects of organised crime, but not so many chuckles any more... I still can't figure out, though, why Saba has such a soft spot for Gotti... I sometimes wonder if Saba is actually a bot created by Robert Anton Wilson to serve as a stabilising influence on the rest of us, in the way someone going overboard encourages others to hold onto the halyards. ..and even madmen manage to convey Unwelcome truths in lonely gibberish -W.H. Auden- A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Rationality Lost ?
-Caveat Lector- A time of tragedy is inevitably, and rightfully, a time of emotion. Just as so many of us are distraught, upset, and angry at the terrorist attacks against the U.S. last week, so too are many political pundits. We should expect no less, of course, as they are Americans who, like all of us, saw their nation wounded and friends endangered or even killed. They have a responsibility, however, not to allow the nation to descend into irrationality. Carefully reasoned, thoughtful political debate is in fact most necessary now as we consider the best course of action... Blah blah blah blah. More courterspin from the psuedo intelligentsia of the leftist Fifth Column. There is no debate here...except in the circles of the hand wringing no war is a just war sentimentalists. Attention! Wake up call! America has enemies! And ignoring them won't make them go away. The absolutely proper response is to go on a war footing. The only REAL questions are who to traget, where to start and what strategy to use. The die is cast. DC A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Sammy the Bull
-Caveat Lector- From: Chris Case [EMAIL PROTECTED] ..and even madmen manage to convey Unwelcome truths in lonely gibberish -W.H. Auden- Excellent quote! A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
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All, Since I just found this list, I have no idea what has been said in the past. I apologize if I sound uniformed or touch a topic thats already been beaten to death. Ive only become aware of groups like the illuminati recently through such books from David Icke, and Im curious to find other peoples perspective on this material. Im sure there is many people here who have seen his books, and Im wondering how much of his information is true and how much has been already proven wrong. Ive looked around and found other authors who expose hidden truths, but none of them do this in David Ickes style. They look at one conspiracy and try to explain it from that perspective, without looking at the whole picture of all of history. Is there anyone out there that is familiar with his work and has major problems with it? chad steingraber video game artist paradigm/infogrames playstation2 - xbox - gamecube
Re: [CTRL] Fwd: [CIA-DRUGS] Strategic Air Command
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 9/18/01 11:04:06 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: How about Langley...home to the US Air Combat Command 74th Tactical Fighter Wing? Asleep at the wheel? Could it be that we have closed too many Air Bases and cut down on the personnel to make the Demorats happy? BiHoward Better dead than red A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Fwd: Boston Globe Online / Editorials | Opinions / For America, a dose of reality
Have a feeling the guy who wrote this story might know a little more than he reveals; however, one thing about the Boston Globe - years ago I communicated witth this old reporter a couple of times and he too, thought J Edgar Hoover was murdered in the night - on May Day? Same day I guess Chandra Levy disappeared.A communist day of Celebration so I assume if we look back upon Russia that day they were celebrating May Day and not Deatha of J Edgar Hoover who believed the Communist was the greatest threat to this country - see his Masters of Deceit, and see how this great man has been villified and by whom? Imagine if they got some old film clips press would write See how Communists celebrate J Edgar Hooverwell maybe they are. The writer of this article takes great pot shots at USA - can imagine who and what he might beoh he drones on and on, but he will never get a Pulitizer. American survived a Civil War, was born at the end of a gun in the Revolutionary War and many of us have family trees going back prior to the Revolutionary War who fought on both sides of the blanketand they do not even know it for many didnot keep records. My famly did. So Freedom of Speech - Larry Flynt is now the Democrat Symbol of Freedom of Speech and the Press? Recently the BNAI BRITH, a pseudo masonic order who has Anti Defamation Leage for a cats paw (with reptilian body) - recently up in Canada they are demanding internet be censored and of course only hate nets - like Hail Zionistfall on all fours before the Chosen Ones? As they say, do not make me puke. My less traveled road caught someting in the readings and the warnings of Isaiah 29 that I missed, but the blessed Jerry Falwell addressed in the footnotes of his definition of this passage - hey, that guy tried to tell us? God punished us - maybe he does believe all that crap..and obviously he is reading along, using the same calendar I read and I do agree closet homosexuals are much safer in their closets, in these days of the rising sun? So here are these lines for anyone interested which I failed to recognize for what they were, from Isaiah keyed to Master Plan for Murder using Astrology and the Testaments - Woe to Ariel, the city where David dwelt (obviously reference to Camp David)yes I will distress Ariel and there shall be heaviness and sorrow and it shall be unto me as ariel..and I shall camp against thee (well back to Camp David). So here is most important item linked to Bnai Brith masoni (pseudo) order: For the terrible one is brought to naught, and the scorner is consumed, and all that watch for iniquity are cut off. THAT MAKES A MAN AS OFFENDER FOR A WORD, AND LAY A SNAE FOR HIM THAT REPROVETH IN THE GATE, AND TURN ASIDE THE JUST FOR A THING OF NOUGHT.. iSAIAH 29, VS. 20-21 Falwell who on occasion has broken bread with bad boy Larry Flynt who contributes enormous amounts of big bucks to the Bnai Brith ADL, comments ' Isaiah further criticizes the severe external eligious clode of his day, noting that it makes a man AN OFFENDER for a word or a thing or a nought and to which I have added, yea, and for a thought, for now one can be arrested for a thought crime? Now in going through this Old Testament, talk about thougoht crimes - you have the scene prepared for the MURDER, of a President of the United States of America because in Ezekial 38 and 39 you find his symbolism..in Habakkuk you find the voice of the propagandist, a minor prophet - who writes write the words upon the table so he that readeth it may run - for the vision (what we see is what we gets) is for an appointed time and though it tarry - well we are going to get it. This God Damned Religious fanaticism works two ways and is a two edged sword and today if there were no Ariel Sharon playing King of the Hill and attempting to wag the big dogs, our twin towers would still be there. But that BASTARD, this obvious Zionist who ordered employees to get rid of their little American Flags - that disgusting american would be sure would be assured our flag would not be there, also. So this guy in this article got a lot of the symbolism but did he leave out the Fiery Flying Dragons.the Chaldees symbol was the swatstika but the symbolism is all there. Sinking into sublime pictures and I say this, any GOOD psychiatrist could read along the way and see who did what, with out spending 45 billion dollars in more security and eliminate the enemy. We have met the enemy - for he is us. Some of thee people are also Mossad Agents and they are the ones who get away while some poor dumb Arab or Sikh or whatever, even a Buddist Monk who at least burns himself as they did in Viet Nam they are the true religious fanatics, drugged, programmed like K9 Dogs and the Assassins of Old - for they will just walk into the next room - and find Paradise. The one suicide bomber it is said wined, and dined and chased women - and when he walked into the other
[CTRL] Greetings
Hey Chad, I am new to this list as well. I have been looking into the Illuminati, IMF, CFR and Skull and Bones groups for about a year and a half. A good book is, "None Dare Call It Conspiracy" by Gary Allen The activities on 9/11 certainly seem to behoove this group. Hasta, Ham "I’ve only become aware of groups like the illuminati recently through such books from David Icke, and I’m curious to find other people’s perspective on this material."
[CTRL] Israel is Not Helpful
-Caveat Lector- -- Forwarded message -- Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2001 17:37:37 - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [PalestineDiary] Israel is Not Helpful/Boston Globe A delicate balance By Thomas Oliphant, Globe Staff, 9/18/2001 WASHINGTON THE SECOND WEEK of the new world disorder commences with top American officials legitimately intrigued by possibilities with Iran and properly disappointed by the behavior of Israeli prime minister Ariel Sharon. It commences with a correct focus on the outlaw society of Afghanistan, but with a fresh appreciation of the vital importance of a smart, focused response both to the crucial work of recruiting Arab nations into the struggle against terrorism and to the highest-stakes work of protecting Americans from additional attacks. If it felt obvious from the moment the second plane hit the second World Trade Center tower that everything had changed, it is becoming clear in a more detailed way a week later just what that means. To the American officials mixing domestic and international security concerns as never before, three new facts stand out: The front lines in this struggle are occupied by ordinary citizens all over the world. The home front is the front. There is a far greater and consequential tension between urges to act quickly and the imperative of being aware of unanticipated consequences. The vocabulary of crisis is slowly changing. From finding perpetrators and bringing criminals to justice and retaliating, we are all (in and out of government) moving toward fighting a worldwide menace and uniting like-minded governments and demanding that all choose sides. The possibilities with a government such as Iran are so important that Secretary of State Colin Powell has specifically singled them out as worth exploring, and President Bush has stressed the importance of exploring relationships we wouldn't have dreamed of just a week ago - with top aides making clear that he had Iran in mind. As a theological as well as political opponent of the Taliban and Osama bin Laden, as a society in transition from revolutionary rogue to something less threatening, Iran finds itself at a crossroads. It may come to nothing or worse, but administration officials are right to explore at once and in depth whether Iran is ready to behave as a responsible member of the international community. It would be wrong to allow Iranian officials to put the US relationship with Israel on the table in this connection (and US officials make credible assurances they would never permit it). It would be equally wrong to acquiesce in such obvious ties to terrorism as support for Hezbollah and other groups operating out of southern Lebanon. But it would not be wrong to suggest that trade and aid prospects for Iran will be enhanced by responsible behavior. In part, this delicate dance is why Israel's actions have been so distressing. This has not prompted public statements yet by US officials, but the feelings just beneath the surface are intense. As one senior official put it over the weekend, ''Just make a list of what's happened. Sharon stepped up attacks on Palestinian communities; his people started a PR campaign to paint Yasser Arafat as another Osama bin Laden; they are roping off neighborhoods in possible preparation for more attacks; and they are actively discouraging our coalition-building diplomacy with Arab states, especially Iran and Syria.'' Put it all together, and US efforts to enlist the Palestinian Authority's help short term and long, its efforts to keep passions as cool as possible in part to mitigate the danger of more attacks on Americans, and its broader diplomacy are all being obstructed. Not helpful. For the next few days, however, nothing is more important than how the United States responds to the obvious implication of the Taliban in bin Laden's operations, and vice versa. This makes the Taliban's mere existence a threat to Americans under the new rules. US officials, though, emphasize that initial inclinations to massive bombing or other disproportionate responses have been resisted and that whatever is about to happen is being carefully and judiciously planned. As another official put it yesterday, ''American lives are at risk in this country in everything we do. Domestic and foreign implications are linked now. To underline it, the most important consumer of the investigation into who did this deed may be Secretary Powell's campaign to recruit allies.'' Everything, in short, really has changed. Thomas Oliphant's e-mail address is oliphant@globe. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are
[CTRL] FC: Facecam maker Viisage sees stock leap, offers free use to FBI (fwd)
-Caveat Lector- * From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Richard M. Smith) To: Declan McCullagh [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Yahoo - Viisage Technology Offers FBI Free Use of Face Recognition Technology to Aid Investigation Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2001 14:33:43 -0400 This Viisage press release just went across the wires. Visage is feeling pretty happy today with their stock price having more than doubled. However, I'm a bit confused how face scanning systems can help locate terrorist. Terrorists aren't exactly lining up to have their pictures taken to be put in a photo database. Richard http://biz.yahoo.com/bw/010917/172450_1.html Viisage Technology Offers FBI Free Use of Face Recognition Technology to Aid Investigation LITTLETON, Mass.--(BUSINESS WIRE)--Sept. 17, 2001--Viisage Technology, Inc. (NASDAQ: VISG - news), the leader in face-recognition technology and identification systems and solutions that improve security and conveniently protect personal privacy, announced that it has offered the FBI free use of Viisage's face-recognition technology to aid in the apprehension or identification of the persons responsible for the terrorism in New York City and Washington. This offer was made in writing to the FBI and was disclosed on a CNET news interview Friday by Viisage President and CEO, Tom Colatosti. ``It is clear that the use of face-recognition technology can make a real difference in identifying terrorists. Our technology was used with great success at Super Bowl XXXV, where the security concerns were similar,'' said Mr. Colatosti. He went on to say, ``We are facing a national tragedy, unlike anything America has ever endured - our prayers and sympathies go out to all the families and friends of all the innocent victims. While there is now much interest in our technology, we in no way want to profit off the pain and death of our fellow Americans. While so many are so generously giving so much - thousands of relief volunteers working tirelessly around the clock, ordinary citizens donating food and blood, and Corporations giving financial gifts, we want to give what we are able to uniquely contribute.'' Viisage Technology is the world leader in biometric face-recognition technology and identification systems and solutions that enhance consumer convenience, improve security and protect personal privacy. Originally developed at MIT, Viisage's patented, accurate, non-intrusive and cost-effective face-recognition technology is widely acknowledged for its unmatched performance including speed in real-time applications, scalability for managing large image databases, and systems integration for complete customer solutions. Viisage provides a full family of face recognition products. FaceEXPLORER(TM) is a powerful and scalable image retrieval and analysis database product, used to combat identity fraud -- it is implemented in the world's largest face recognition system with more than eight million enrolled images. FaceFINDER(TM), acclaimed for its processing speed, is the industry's most widely implemented surveillance and identification system -- it is installed in more than 80 casinos worldwide and has been deployed to improve security at premier sporting events. FaceNET(TM) provides secure authentication for PC, Internet and e-commerce connections. FacePIN(TM) offers consumers convenient and private verification for point-of-sale transactions such as ATMs. FacePASS(TM) is a practical security solution for keyless entry to secure facilities, such as offices, dormitories and government facilities. FaceTOOLS(TM) is a leadership Software Developers Kit that enables application providers the ability to develop and customize unique customer and market applications. - POLITECH -- Declan McCullagh's politics and technology mailing list You may redistribute this message freely if you include this notice. Declan McCullagh's photographs are at http://www.mccullagh.org/ To subscribe to Politech: http://www.politechbot.com/info/subscribe.html This message is archived at http://www.politechbot.com/ - A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives
[CTRL] Death by liberal (fwd)
-Caveat Lector- Excerpts: We were told that the real threat was not from some Islamic fundamentalists who vowed to commit terrorist acts to bring us to our knees. No, Bill Clinton and Janet Reno and their friends on Capitol Hill and in the media spoke as one voice about the home-grown threat posed by church-going Americans, protesting against partial-birth abortion. Meanwhile, the girly-men liberals and their strident molls scratch their heads and wonder how and why Tuesday happened. After all, weren't they nice to these terrorists? Didn't they display the correct amount of tolerance for another peoples' religious beliefs? Didn't Hillary Clinton actually embrace and kiss Arafat's wife? [Note: I would like to add these two qoutes for your consideration: They (radical Islam) have the will to destroy the West. They don't have the power today. You have the power today, we all do, the power to crush this terror network. What we must now show is that we have the will to do so. --Binyamin Netanyahu Some commentators and so-called experts have been quick to suggest that we will have to give up rights and freedoms in order to achieve greater security against the terrorist threat. They are wrong. The liberties of America's citizens do not facilitate terrorism - rather it is the liberties we have wrongly allowed to non-citizens. --Alan Keyes The radial Islamic fanatic hates America, hates our God, the only true God, hates Christianity, our prosperity and our culture, in part because their pitiful false god cannot build a nation up beyond third world status, even with assistance. They hate the fact that we support Israel and they have been unable to destroy that nation. I believe that several things factor into our current sad situation, besides the obvious ones above. For one thing our government has been far too absorbed in attacking our own citizens for political incorrectness to pay proper attention to the real dangers, even ignoring warnings from other nations that something was in the works. Another factor is the fact that we as a nation have turned from the God who blessed and built it, we have declared that abortion, homosexuality, evolution and so on are correct, in direct contradiction to the Bible. We have outlawed God in this nation, forbidding Him even in our schools, and I believe that God has removed His protecting hand from this nation as a result. The fact that God allowed this attack in no way justifies those who perpetrated this evil, and the reasons that He did allow it are described above and are not because of some delusional belief that something we did to radical Islam justifies their actions. The radical Islamic is NOT innocent, is NOT justified. -- Tony Death by liberal http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=24552 By Gary Aldrich © 2001 WorldNetDaily.com Several days have passed since the most outrageous act of terrorism in the history of the world. The clearance of the wreckage has just begun. Meanwhile thousands of innocent victims lie beneath smoldering rubble. It will take weeks until the last girders are lifted from the sub-basements of the World Trade Center buildings in New York City. We weep for the victims and pray that more of them can be found alive. But, there will be no peace and there will be no rest. Rescue workers toil to bring to us what they can, but most victims were reduced to ash, or destroyed beyond recognition by the compressions, the explosions and the inferno that followed. Fall rains will wash American blood and ashes down into the storm drains of New York City, and the essence of American lives lost will move down the Hudson River to the Atlantic Ocean, and be sent by the ocean currents around the globe. Their innocent blood will someday reach the shores of nations who nurture and harbor terrorists - to join the bombs that we'll send there soon to extract our retribution. We now learn that these animals were trained on our soil. They attended flight training schools in the United States and, while they did, they lived among us as our neighbors. Their children attended schools with our children. They came across U.S. borders with papers that allowed easy entry, and exit. There are hundreds - perhaps thousands - of these terrorists here today. About 50 of them have surfaced to do these evils acts. The rest await orders from abroad. I submit that these terrorists enjoyed more freedom and liberty than we did. After all, while we were being questioned about our baggage, x-rayed and searched, real criminals came and went as they pleased. And then, these murderers boarded jetliners with their knives, phony bombs and threats. Grandmothers and teenagers presented photo IDs and put their keys and change in a dish, while extremely dangerous men carried on long-distance conversations about jet fuel and potential body counts. I hope, now, we will realize that combating terrorism with feel-good, symbolic gestures won't work.
[CTRL] CTRL] Fwd: Boston Globe Online / Editorials | Opinions /
"Have a feeling the guy who wrote this story might know a little more than he reveals; however, one thing about the Boston Globe - years ago I communicated witth this old reporter a couple of times and he too, thought J Edgar Hoover was murdered in the night - on May Day? Same day I guess Chandra Levy disappeared.A communist day of Celebration so I assume if we look back upon Russia that day they were celebrating May Day and not Deatha of J Edgar Hoover who believed the Communist was the greatest threat to this country - see his Masters of Deceit, and see how this great man has been villified and by whom?" And of course the Illuminati was formed officially on May 1, 1776 and that is the meaning of the MDCCLXXVI at the bottom of the pyramid on the one dollar bill. It is not for the decleration of independance. Remember, these are the same people that brought us the 16th amendment and the Federal Reserve. Hasta, Ham
Re: [CTRL] Sammy the Bull
-Caveat Lector- Why I want John Gotti set free. The chief witness against him had murdered 19 people and was given immunity to testify against him. To put him in solitary confinement for the rest of his life is cruel and unusual punishmenta fearless soldier would rather be put to death and nobody will break John Gotti. He neighbors loved him and he had a 14 year old son who died in an accident that may not have been an accident. He probably thougoht the sins of the father being visited upon the children? For he was a very religious man, as are all Dons. Had he been a rich man, he would have still been at the top of the heap and maybe even been President or a Senator or a Congressman, or heaven forbid - a lawyer. Gotti did not get a fair trial - but the call of Give of Barabas was now heard and they jailed Barabas. Saba A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Ariel Sharon - War Criminal
-Caveat Lector- -Caveat Lector- Center for Policy Analysis on Palestine / 2425-35 Virginia Avenue, NW / Washington, DC 20037 / Tel: 202.338.1290 / Fax: 202.333.7742 / http://www.palestinecenter.org Prime Minister Ariel Sharon, A War Criminal Linda Malone Overview: In 1996, the Human Rights Law Institute embarked on a project t= o address the growing problem of impunity of individuals guilty of crimes t= hat should be prosecuted under international law. The project culminated in t= he publication of Guiding Principles for Combating Impunity for Internation= al Crimes. The principles require criminal prosecution for grave breaches, torture, and genocide (among other crimes), and they direct all states to= prosecute crimes against humanity. The principles also require the remova= l of individuals responsible for such crimes from public office and the military, after according the individual due process in evaluating responsibility. Nonetheless, Ariel Sharon was elected Israel's prime minister despite being convicted of war crimes in 1982. Impunity: In September 1982, the Israeli cabinet resolved to establish a commission led by then-Supreme Court Chief Justice Yitzhak Kahan to exami= ne the facts of the massacre committed by the Lebanese Forces in the Sabra a= nd Shatila refugee camps, areas in Beirut then under the control of Israeli authorities. As many as 2,000 Palestinian civilians were killed in the camps. This year, one of the individuals judged complicit by the Kahan Commission, then-Minister of Defense Ariel Sharon, was elected to the highest political post in Israel after having provoked a violent confrontation by his visit to the Haram al-Sharif. In 1982, he was found = to have created the situation which he knew, or should have known, made the massacres a probability. The need has now arisen to bring serious attenti= on to the moral and legal responsibility of Sharon for gross human rights violations and the impunity, and even worse the power, which he has received. The Kahan Commission's report states that when word of Lebanon's President-elect Bashir Jemayel's assassination reached Israel on the nigh= t of 14 September 1982, then-Prime Minister Menachem Begin, Sharon, and then-Chief of Staff Rafael Eitan decided that the Israel Defense Forces (IDF) would enter West Beirut without seeking a Cabinet resolution to tha= t effect. Although Sharon and Eitan purportedly discussed including Phalangists in the operation, the Commission determined it was not mentio= ned to Begin. Eitan testified that earlier that same evening, he and Sharon agreed that Phalangists would enter the Sabra and Shatila camps. On 15 September 1982, the entry into West Beirut began. Sharon me= t at the forward command post with Eitan who reported his agreement with th= e Phalangists for their entry into the camps. Sharon approved the agreement= and phoned Begin from the roof of the command post. Yet, according to the= report, Sharon only informed Begin that there was no resistance in Beirut= and that the operations were going well. On 16 September, the Defense Minister's office issued a document summarizing in two crucial controvers= ial sentences Sharon's instructions in this meeting regarding the entry into West Beirut: Only one element, and that is the IDF, shall command the forces in the area. For the operation in the camps, the Phalangists shoul= d be sent in. That day, the massacre began. At 10:00 a.m., Sharon met in h= is office with Eitan and others. Eitan announced, the whole city is in our hands, . . . the camps are surrounded, the Phalangists are to go at 11:00-12:00. Eitan said that Israeli forces surrounded the Sabra and Shatila camps, and that it was agreed the Phalangists would go in at thei= r discretion, after a coordinating session with the Israeli officials. At approximately 6:00 p.m. on 16 September, the Phalangists entered the camp= s, initially entering the Shatila camp from the west and southwest, as directed. Findings: The Commission determined two levels of responsibility-direct a= nd indirect. According to the Commission, those directly responsible were on= ly those who actually perpetrated the massacre itself. The Commission's report concluded that Israel was indirectly responsible for the massacres= : [T]he decision on the entry of the Phalangists into the refugee camps wa= s taken without consideration of the danger-which the makers and executors = of the decision were obligated to foresee as probable-that the Phalangists would commit massacres and pogroms against the inhabitants of the camps, = and without an examination of the means for preventing this danger. Israel w= as also held responsible for not stopping the massacre once reports came out= that it had begun. Based on the Commission's conclusions at least seven of nine individuals, including Sharon, should have known of the likelihood of a massacre before the Phalangists' entry, knew or should have
Re: [CTRL] Death by liberal
-Caveat Lector- non Christian Americans love this sort of thing makes us feel like the American dream is real -- --- -- -- -- -- They that can give up essential liberty for a little safety deserve neither liberty nor safety, Ben Franklin NEURONAUTIC INSTITUTE on-line: http://home.earthlink.net/~thew From: Yardbird [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Conspiracy Theory Research List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2001 16:08:07 -0300 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [CTRL] Death by liberal (fwd) -Caveat Lector- Excerpts: We were told that the real threat was not from some Islamic fundamentalists who vowed to commit terrorist acts to bring us to our knees. No, Bill Clinton and Janet Reno and their friends on Capitol Hill and in the media spoke as one voice about the home-grown threat posed by church-going Americans, protesting against partial-birth abortion. Meanwhile, the girly-men liberals and their strident molls scratch their heads and wonder how and why Tuesday happened. After all, weren't they nice to these terrorists? Didn't they display the correct amount of tolerance for another peoples' religious beliefs? Didn't Hillary Clinton actually embrace and kiss Arafat's wife? [Note: I would like to add these two qoutes for your consideration: They (radical Islam) have the will to destroy the West. They don't have the power today. You have the power today, we all do, the power to crush this terror network. What we must now show is that we have the will to do so. --Binyamin Netanyahu Some commentators and so-called experts have been quick to suggest that we will have to give up rights and freedoms in order to achieve greater security against the terrorist threat. They are wrong. The liberties of America's citizens do not facilitate terrorism - rather it is the liberties we have wrongly allowed to non-citizens. --Alan Keyes The radial Islamic fanatic hates America, hates our God, the only true God, hates Christianity, our prosperity and our culture, in part because their pitiful false god cannot build a nation up beyond third world status, even with assistance. They hate the fact that we support Israel and they have been unable to destroy that nation. I believe that several things factor into our current sad situation, besides the obvious ones above. For one thing our government has been far too absorbed in attacking our own citizens for political incorrectness to pay proper attention to the real dangers, even ignoring warnings from other nations that something was in the works. Another factor is the fact that we as a nation have turned from the God who blessed and built it, we have declared that abortion, homosexuality, evolution and so on are correct, in direct contradiction to the Bible. We have outlawed God in this nation, forbidding Him even in our schools, and I believe that God has removed His protecting hand from this nation as a result. The fact that God allowed this attack in no way justifies those who perpetrated this evil, and the reasons that He did allow it are described above and are not because of some delusional belief that something we did to radical Islam justifies their actions. The radical Islamic is NOT innocent, is NOT justified. -- Tony Death by liberal http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=24552 By Gary Aldrich ? 2001 WorldNetDaily.com Several days have passed since the most outrageous act of terrorism in the history of the world. The clearance of the wreckage has just begun. Meanwhile thousands of innocent victims lie beneath smoldering rubble. It will take weeks until the last girders are lifted from the sub-basements of the World Trade Center buildings in New York City. We weep for the victims and pray that more of them can be found alive. But, there will be no peace and there will be no rest. Rescue workers toil to bring to us what they can, but most victims were reduced to ash, or destroyed beyond recognition by the compressions, the explosions and the inferno that followed. Fall rains will wash American blood and ashes down into the storm drains of New York City, and the essence of American lives lost will move down the Hudson River to the Atlantic Ocean, and be sent by the ocean currents around the globe. Their innocent blood will someday reach the shores of nations who nurture and harbor terrorists - to join the bombs that we'll send there soon to extract our retribution. We now learn that these animals were trained on our soil. They attended flight training schools in the United States and, while they did, they lived among us as our neighbors. Their children attended schools with our children. They came across U.S. borders with papers that allowed easy entry, and exit. There are hundreds - perhaps thousands - of these terrorists here today. About 50 of them have surfaced to do these
[CTRL] [Fwd: EXPOSED: THE REAL REASON ALBANIANS 'FLED' KOSOVO IN 1999]
-Caveat Lector- Original Message Subject: EXPOSED: THE REAL REASON ALBANIANS 'FLED' KOSOVO IN 1999 Date: Sun, 29 Jul 2001 23:50:50 -0500 (CDT) From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Organization: ? To: undisclosed-recipients:; This is being sent on behalf of [EMAIL PROTECTED] as part of the mailing list that you joined. List: emperorsclothes URL: http://www.emperors-clothes.com The URL for this article is http://emperors-clothes.com/interviews/keys.htm www.tenc.net * [Emperor's Clothes] EXPOSED: THE REAL REASON ALBANIANS 'FLED' KOSOVO IN 1999 The truth about what happened... Interview with Cedda Pralinchevich Interviewer Jared Israel Translator Petar Makara [This interview was conducted before the kidnapping of Milosevic. However it remains most timely since it applies 100% to the so-called 'rebellion' in Macedonia.] This is the second Emperor's Clothes interview with Cedda Pralinchevich, President of the Jewish Community in Prishtina. In the first interview, Mr. Pralinchevich, formerly Chief Archivist of Kosovo, described how he and tens of thousands of other Yugoslavs were driven from Prishtina by the Kosovo Liberation Army (KLA) with NATO's backing. That original interview can be read at http://www.emperors-clothes.com/interviews/ceda.htm NATO claims it bombed Yugoslavia in the Spring of 1999 to stop Yugoslav war crimes against ethnic Albanians. These supposed crimes supposedly produced the much-televised Albanian flight from Kosovo. But Mr. Pralinchevich says this is not true. Yugoslavia's new 'Foreign Minister' Svilanovich supports NATO on the war crimes allegations. He has invited the NATO-controlled War Crimes Tribunal to set up shop in Belgrade and promises to help them hunt down Serbian leaders. As far as the evidence hunt goes, the Tribunal has not done too well. It employed hundreds of forensic experts and dug up Kosovo for a year (under KLA direction) but found no evidence of Serbian atrocities. That failure hasn't fazed NATO. Bolstered by the improved attitude from Belgrade (Ambassador to the U.S. Milan Protich was quoted in the 10-25 'Independent' calling for the de-Nazification of the Yugoslav government) the NATO propaganda machine has stepped up attacks against ousted President Miloshevich and others, arguing that the exodus of all those ethnic Albanians proves there must have been atrocities. Why else would they leave? Why else indeed. Mr. Pralinchevich, historian of Kosovo, has a very different explanation. [Note: In the text, we have tried to spell Serbian names so English-speaking readers can pronounce them correctly. 'Pristina' is therefore Prishtina', 'Prlincevic' is 'Pralinchevich' and 'Milosevic' is 'Miloshevich'. - Jared Israel] THE REAL REASON ALBANIANS 'FLED' KOSOVO IN 1999 Israel: NATO said the Albanians were fleeing atrocities. We Western opponents of NATO said they were fleeing the NATO bombing. But you're saying we were both wrong, that the Albanians weren't fleeing the Serbs or the bombing. (From the interview below) Israel: Why did so many Albanians leave Kosovo a few days after NATO began bombing? Was the Yugoslav Army attacking them? Pralinchevich: No, not attacking them. In some areas the Army did relocate people, but not out of Kosovo. The idea was to move them further into Serbia. You must understand, the Army was presented with a most difficult situation. A major clash was expected between NATO and Yugoslav troops. This kind of NATO ground attack was a special threat in the area bordering Albania. Under those circumstances, with the KLA [Kosovo Liberation Army] attacking inside Kosovo and from Albania and with NATO poised to invade and about to start bombing from airplanes, how could the Yugoslav Army hope to protect that border population? You should understand, the Army had had an experience like this in Vukovar. That was in 1991. Civilians were trapped in a battlefield between the Army and the Croatian Ustashe [neo-fascist] secessionists. To avoid making the same mistake again, the Army wanted to empty a space 40 kilometers deep so people wouldn't be trapped between the Army, NATO and the KLA. At the same time there was a big increase in the number of KLA terrorists illegally crossing the Albanian border into Kosovo. In that situation there were bound to be some unhappy events. It was a most difficult situation, you see. Albanians Assassinated Israel: Was this at the beginning of the bombing? Pralinchevich: Yes, and earlier too. During this period, the Yugoslav government tried to organize local Albanian Crisis Centers to distribute humanitarian aid, and also a Headquarters to work with the Yugoslav Army, organizing ethnic Albanians who lived in the danger zone to move deeper into Serbia, away from potential fighting. But those ethnic Albanians who did cooperate with the Army became a target for the KLA. Many were assassinated. Israel: Were these Crisis Centers located all
Re: [CTRL] The End of Apartheid, Redux
-Caveat Lector- Yardbird wrote: -Caveat Lector- http://www.commondreams.org/views01/0830-01.htm Published on Thursday, August 30, 2001 by Ted Rall The End of Apartheid, Redux === A Peace Plan for Post-Israeli Palestine by Ted Rall DAYTON, Ohio -- The trouble with Israel is that nobody -- least of all the Israelis -- knows what it is. Is it a theocracy or a secular state? Is it a parliamentary democracy or a police state? Is it the military occupation of local Arab lands by ex-pat Europeans or the settlement of peaceful colonists in a previously barren land? Israel is all, and none, of these things. And while it's worth noting that this is what happens when countries are designed by committee, casting blame does nothing to address a grim state of affairs -- a vicious cycle of retribution for grievances both real and imagined. This is drivel. The author doesn't have a clue. But he does have an opinion. Almost all of it is wrong. J2 When statesmen and diplomats debate Middle East peace, the elephant in the room is Israel's fundamental founding flaw. On the one hand, it's a Jewish state, its citizenship granted to any Jew regardless of birth nationality. But neither Israel's biggest backer -- that would be us -- nor many of the secular Jews who fought the British during the '40s wished to see an Israel ruled by rabbinical law. Drivel. Israel was founded as a secular state. A Jewish secular state. Following the example of postwar Europe, Israel became a parliamentary democracy. It's been a demographic war ever since. As the population growth of Palestinian Arabs continues to outpace that of Jewish families, it's obvious that true democracy will lead to Israel joining the Arab world, Drivel. The Muslims would never allow things to get that far. The Jews would be dead long before that point. with Jews living as a beleaguered minority. Successive Israeli governments have employed various means of combating the demographic threat, most notably refusing Arabs living in Lebanese refugee camps the right to return to the homes they fled in 1948. They lost. They're gone. It's time to move on. A democracy without equal voting rights is no democracy at all. Similarly, few Jewish Israelis want to convert the place into the Talmud equivalent of Taliban-run Afghanistan. The only way to deradicalize the vast majority of Palestinians is to fully enfranchise them into the current Israeli system. Drivel. It's not the ONLY way to radicalize them. But won't numerically dominant Muslims immediately use their newfound political majority status to oppress Jews? Wouldn't genocide necessarily follow? I think so. Not if recent history is any guide. The closest analogy to Israel, a modern second-world state run by an ethnic minority, was apartheid-era South Africa. (It was also Israel's closest military ally.) After decades of political repression, violent acts of terrorism and status as a global pariah, white South Africans got sick of the whole thing and turned over power to Nelson Mandela's African National Congress. White rightists, and not a few foreign observers, warned that South Africa's long-repressed black majority would rise up and murder their former oppressors, but no such thing happened. It aint over yet is it? Most whites remained in the country. There was an exodus of whites from SA. And, as SA continues to dis- integrate, there continues to be. They became a minority in parliament, but the socioeconomic order stayed in place: Black people are still poor, white people well-off. To be sure, there have been some isolated incidents of violence and retribution, but nothing close to the wholesale slaughter expected by so many cynics. It aint over yet is it? Why not look at Zimbabwe while were at it too? A truly democratic Israel would likely undergo a similar process. A tiny minority of Jews remembered for extreme right-wing behavior -- settlers in the West Bank and East Jerusalem, for example -- might be well-advised to relocate after the advent of a Palestinian majority government. But for the most part, Arabs are like people anywhere -- they're far more interested in earning a living than waging jihad. The only reason so many are throwing rocks at Israeli troops is because they feel hopelessly disenfranchised under what they consider a form of apartheid. Remove that injustice, and they'll be too busy enjoying their commutes to jobs no longer cut off by army checkpoints to worry about getting even. This is SUCH TOTAL BULLSHIT. What was their excuse prior to 1967??? How about prior to 1948? More to the point, Palestinians know that huge numbers of Jews oppose their government's extremism, just as many whites opposed apartheid in South Africa. Wrong! This is simply wrong. Israel is getting more Jewish support now than it has in the past 25 years. Just see what happens in the upcoming rally to support
Re: [CTRL] Hitchens On Condit
-Caveat Lector- Amelia wrote: -Caveat Lector- ~Amelia~ - Original Message - From: Nurev Ind. [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2001 7:30 AM Subject: Re: [CTRL] Hitchens On Condit -Caveat Lector- thew wrote: -Caveat Lector- jews arent white if by white you refer to a certain culture. specifically european ruling culture This is not true anymore. Jews were allowed to become White Guys with the civil rights movement in the 60's. Only after that did they get into elite positions in government and Big Biz. J2 Except. of course. for the Rothschilds. Amelia The Rothchilds aren't American. Furthermore the Rothchilds aren't important anymore except in the fevered brains (sic) of anti jew racists. I was talking about ordinary people who were locked out of top universities, and the TOP professions by WASP good ol' boys who couldn't stand the competition. J2 Be dissing Mo Dees and he put ya on da list! Be dissing Mo Dees and he put ya on da list! Be dissing Abbie Foxman and you know he gonna write! Amelia A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] [Fwd: Rejected posting to CTRL@LISTSERV.AOL.COM]
-Caveat Lector- Original Message Subject: Rejected posting to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2001 16:24:05 -0400 From: L-Soft list server at America Online, Inc. (1.8d) [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Nurev Ind Research [EMAIL PROTECTED] The distribution of your message dated Tue, 11 Sep 2001 17:22:04 -0400 with subject Re: WTC/Pentagon -- Terrorism or another Reichstag fire? has been rejected because you have exceeded the daily per-user message limit for the CTRL list. Other than the list owner, no one is allowed to post more than 7 messages per day. Please resend your message at a later time if you still want it to be posted to the list. Rejected message (61 lines) -- Received: from smtp-hub2.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp-hub2.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.76]) by listserv.aol.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA24600 for [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Tue, 11 Sep 2001 16:24:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net ([207.172.4.61]) by smtp-hub2.mrf.mail.rcn.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #10) id 15gu4c-0006SY-00 for [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Tue, 11 Sep 2001 16:23:58 -0400 Received: from 66-44-17-235.s2013.apx2.lnh.md.dialup.rcn.com ([66.44.17.235] helo=starpower.net) by smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #10) id 15gu4b-0006eZ-00; Tue, 11 Sep 2001 16:23:58 -0400 Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2001 17:22:04 -0400 From: Nurev Ind. [EMAIL PROTECTED] Organization: Nurev Independent Research X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 [en]C-STAR032398 (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Conspiracy Theory Research List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [CTRL] WTC/Pentagon -- Terrorism or another Reichstag fire? References: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Saba wrote: This is no time to be paying attention to ramblings of this idiot. We need to stay cool and rooted in reality here. Paranoid and superstitious drivel will run rampant in the next few days. Let's see if this list can do some real work that is actually beneficial for understanding what's going down. Joshua2 -Caveat Lector- Towers at World Trade hold federal officesrecently Govenor of New York moved from the Tower now I wonder why? As Congressman Kascich did here - when Oklahoma blew - that guy moved his office out of FEderal Buildigs to Dublin, quietly.he was pal to Gary Condit. I wonder who did not show up for work today? At least in New York they know their Govenor is safe - World Trade Offices holds many federal and state offices so why did Pataky move out? Maybe same reason Kascich moved out. Pentagon - the symbol of security for the USA... The last guy who rammed a building in Washington with a plane they said was a truck driver.so the big meeting for which they prepared, making Washington the target and now a war zone as well as New York City no doubt will be closed. Keep thinking about Govenor Pataky moving out of World Trade Offices and why? Like Oklahoma - FBI and BATF stayed home and left the babies in the tower? A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] It's offical FEMA implemented
-Caveat Lector- Kris Millegan wrote: -Caveat Lector- Karen Hughes from Omaha. Om K This is to be expected. Absolutely nothing unusual about this. So far. J2 A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Woe to Ariel?
-Caveat Lector- Saba wrote: -Caveat Lector- REMEMBER THE USS LIBERTY. REMEMBER THE MEN NAPALMED ON THE DECKS OF THIS SHIP BY ISRAEL PLANES WHO TRIED TO SINK IT TO BLAME IT ON EGYPTIANS. REMEMBER THE ROSENBERG SPIES WHO STOLE SECRETS TO ATOMIC BOMB.REMEMBER JONATHON POLLARD AND REMEMBER THE LITTLE PROSTITUTE SENT IN MY MOSSAD TO SODOMIZE THE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES. And then remember today ... Ariel Sharon, why his name the name of the slaughterman is right in the bible with Ehud Barak - for those are not there real names. The USS Liberty while our men lie on deck wounded 171 of them, 34 dead ..the god damned Israeli planes napalmed and bombed them for 45 minutes. ADL and Zionists have put our Militias, Christians and Moslems on FBI hate list while the KGB sat in same office with Louis Freeh - and KGB/MOSSAD given secret underground sites .and Mossad blackmailed the president using their little prostitute. Think twice about what happened today.for had they not been caught, Egypt no doubt would have been blown apart for something the Israels did. Saba You are treading on dangerous ground here you stupid twit. You are backing the enemy which attacked us and killed between 15,000 and 25,000 of our citizens. The government is in a state of war, and YOU are promoting enemy propaganda. Nothing on this page relates to investigating anything. Nothing relates to dicussing or finding facts. Nothing relates to anything but hate speech which aids and comforts the enemy. Now I realize that you are dumb as a bag of hair, but you better get your shit together. This is no joke anymore. You may think you sound like a patriot, but you are a traitor in time of war. Joshua2 A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Woe to Ariel?
-Caveat Lector- The Public Image wrote: -Caveat Lector- Listen you son of a bitich - there were people in that building who were friends of my sisters - and let me tell you this - my condolences, but you're not the only one who lost friends, you ignorant bitch. That swine Joe Lieberman sat there and said Oh We are alright - wel will meet tonight - we are alright and had to be reminded well Mr. Lieberman there are 10,000 people who are not alright. well i'd say it's obvious that Lieberman doesn't have a clue. (is he a friend of yours?) thank you for once again pointing out what we already knew. It is about time people woke up in this country..even a pig like Mark Lane knew about the bible code for Lane (real name Levy) stole the code from me for his book Executive Action which bombed. perhaps the reason he had a book published and you didn't was because of your writing style, or lack thereof. or maybe it's just because you're full of shit! I was on the assassination commitee and I worked with woman with MI6 who knew whawt this code was. why do i find it hard to believe that a WebTV user worked in any official capacity for a major security department? anyhow, i don't care if you worked for MI6 or the KGB or the CIA, you're still a crazy old bat. So let me tell you this, you piece of shit - don't try to blame this on the Arabs not when you have pigs like ADL and Foxman sitting back reaping profits and stirring up a war so the USA will go to war against Arabs. hey knucklehead, go back and read what i wrote. personally, i'm not blaming anyone and i don't know where you got that from. i'm not blaming Arabs, Chinese, or even other Americans. here's a piece of advice: close your mouth and listen before you speak. you might learn something and you won't come across as such a silly old cow. Oh you will cry tomorrow, asshole - your gasoline as is here is up now to $5.00 a gallon at one station and $2.50.see how you cry then. if i cry tomorrow, it'll be for the lives lost in NYC and not over the gas prices. which, i might add, is probably YOUR only point of contention with this whole event. You do not like my stuff do not read it and I am sick of your crap. I know what you are...maybe not who, but what. firstly, i don't post things on this list often enough for you to be sick of my crap. i only toss in my two cents when i think i've got something of value to add. perhaps you might follow my example. and frankly, i ignore very nearly everything you post, but your stupid bible code bit tonite was downright offensive. if you can predict major events with such accuracy, why weren't you talking about this shit yesterday, or the day before that? it's quite simple: you may be a witch, but you ain't got no magic. you're as big a liar as you are an idiot, and one might hope that out of respect for the dead you'd just drop the bullshit act for one day. apparently, though, one would be wrong. fuck, i'd believe Miss Cleo the tv psychic over you... Who is bombing Afghanstan? Not the USAis this bastard Ariel Sharon making moves of which we are not aware i'm as interested as anyone in finding out who bombed us, and who bombed Afghanistan. but i'll bet dollars to donuts your imaginary bible code won't name names til after the press delivers the scoop... show me the money, Saba... Don't bother. This person is very sick. She is overmedicated and delusional. Nothing she says can be taken seriously. Joshua2 The Public Image A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Admiral Moorer Clinton Policies Led to Disaster
-Caveat Lector- Bill Howard wrote: -Caveat Lector- In a message dated 9/13/01 3:47:59 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: tnohava wrote: This is all bullshit. Moorer is CFR military hack. J2 That does not mean that he is automaticly incorrect. BHoward Agreed. But why did they drag him out of mothballs? The media is FLOODED with CFR elites pushing for war. The media is FLOODED with spooks and ex spooks pushing for war. This should be warning enough to be wary. J2 A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] A Call To All Americans
-Caveat Lector- Edward Britton wrote: -Caveat Lector- J2: Source: http://www.webforums.com/forums/f-read/msa64.214.html A CALL TO ALL AMERICANS! From now on, the national toilet paper should be the pages of the Koran! Why? You don't really think that your religion is any better than theirs do you? I don't care who's freaking religion is better, but I found a copy of the Koran from previous study (God only knows why now!) and plan to WIPE MY BUTT with it the next time I take a dump. There ya go. That'l teach em. Arm every flight crew in America down to the man/woman who pumps the gas and loads the luggage. Allow anyone with a concealed carry permit to remain armed while on any airline in the nation. Stupid gun pusher. Stupid liberal jackoff who needs the government to wipe his nose. Now, don't we feel better? Do the word pressurized cabin mean anything to you genius? Do the words beats the hell out of flying into a building mean anything to you, prick? It does actually. What do you suppose the ratio between the two might be? Push your local representatives to MAKE THIS LAW!! Turn the entire middle east into a parking lot!! Your a good Christian Edward. Not today. Today, I'd really love to see a hole in the earth where the middle east used to be! Really! And where do you think you would be? Jesus saves, but you prefer parking lots. Jesus isn't here. Maybe you haven't noticed. I've noticed. He never came back either. Maybe you haven't noticed. J2 Edward + Logic: (1) The study or practice of the principles of reasoning, especially of the structure of propositions as distinguished from their content and of method and validity in deductive reasoning. (2) A means of terrifying liberals. http://www.global-connector.com http://groups.yahoo.com/group/reality_pump/ ~~ A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Still think Jim Floyd isn't a racist?
-Caveat Lector- Michael Pugliese wrote: I don't think he's a racist Mike. I think he's an alias. I think he's really Saba Shannon. Poor guy seems upset. I'm sure what's coming down the pike in the next few months will cheer him up. J2 -Caveat Lector- http://www.anti-fascism.org/page-special-wtc.html http://www.anti-fascism.org/special/wtc/the%20axe%20is%20laid%20to%20the%20r oot%20--%20jim%20floyd.html The Axe Is Laid to the Root James Floyd Attack on America, Fox news. Attack on civilization, Colon Powell. Attack on democracy, Carter. Attack on freedom, Bush. To this stupidity I scream, Hell no! Not just NO but hell no! It was an attack on the Jew capital of the world, an attack on Tel Aviv West. A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Fwd: Arab Anti-Discrimination Committee Says : MossadHadAHandIn...
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 9/13/01 7:53:44 PM Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Would you like to take a poll on this list and see if the rest of CTRL believes this? Any polls on this list, while possibly interesting, wouldn't prove a thing. We deal with controversial issues here Zev. One might also ask how many people on this list believe in UFOs, alien greys, Atlantis, that Zionism is NOT racism, Bush and cocaine,Cathy O'Brian's story, the October Suprise...and on and on... What's the point? J2 I guess I'll take that as a no. I do clasify your stuff in the same catagory as some of the above. Except their intentions are not necessarily evil. -J2 And what's YOUR point Mr. Zionist Zev? Bill. A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Fwd: [CIA-DRUGS] Strategic Air Command
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 9/18/01 11:44:45 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Could it be that we have closed too many Air Bases and cut down on the personnel to make the Demorats happy? BiHoward Better dead than red Let's see what is the size of the military Budget? Who's watch is it? Om K A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] 4000 Israeli Employees in WTC Absent the Day of the Attack (fwd)
-Caveat Lector- Well they cited the Jordanian paper Al Watan in the report and I've trying to find an English language version of this paper at http://www.alwatan.com Either that or if an Arabic speaking person happens to be on this list and could check the recent issues On Tue, 18 Sep 2001, foxter wrote: Perhaps it was broadcast? Following is a list of the al-Manar Frequencies where it's broadcasting: a.. Digital receiver Ku Band uses the following address: USA and Canada Telestar 5\ 97 deg. West Frequency: 12152 MHZ Symbol rate: 20.000 Polarization: Horizontal FEC: 3/4 Digital receiver C Band uses the following address: (Africa) Nss 803\ 338.5 deg. East Frequency: 4055 MHZ Symbol rate: 27.500 Polarization: C.R FEC: 3/4 You can receive Almanar using a digital receiver on Arabsat 3A the Lebanese bouquet: Arabsat 3A\ 26 deg.east Frequency: 11787 MHZ Symbol rate: 27.500 Polarization: vertical FEC: 3/4 Or analog receiver use the following address: Arab Sat. 3A/ 26 deg. EAST * Frequency: 11823 MHZ * Polarization: VERTICAL Digital receiver Ku Band use the following address: Nile sat 101\ 7 deg. West Frequency: 12054 MHZ Symbol rate: 27.500 Polarization: Vertical FEC: 3/4 - Original Message - From: Steve To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, September 18, 2001 9:16 AM Subject: Re: [CTRL] 4000 Israeli Employees in WTC Absent the Day of the Attack (fwd) -Caveat Lector- The site definitely has an pro-Palestinian agenda: http://www.manartv.com/ Dear brother or sister Salam-u-Alaykom In support of the oppressed Palestinian people for the Sustenance of the Intifadah we invite you to donate money to the following address: To: On 18 Sep 01, at 9:59, Yardbird wrote: -Caveat Lector- I can't find any other mention of it other than comments upon the article itself - nothing that independently verifies its contents. On Tue, 18 Sep 2001, Kris Millegan wrote: -Caveat Lector- Is there any independent confirmation of any of this? the site may be agenda-charged. Om K A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substance-not soap-boxing-please! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'-with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright frauds-is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substance-not soap-boxing-please! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'-with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright frauds-is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL]
Re: [CTRL] Fwd: [CIA-DRUGS] Strategic Air Command
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 9/18/01 11:19:48 AM Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Nope. Radar is largely ineffective at altitudes below approximately 1000 feet or so (caveat: depending upon the terrain) largely due to ground clutter and so-called false echos (most often caused by heat convection). As the area surrounding DC is rolling hill country, I strongly suspect that ground clutter is an even greater factor. DC Okay, then what is this about then, from a previous post? They mention altitudes well below 1000ft and still being at risk. So maybe not radar but some other form of protective surveillance...? Finally, in 1974, when I was in the Marine Corps, and a crew chief on a CH 46 helicopter stationed at MCAS Quantico, VA, we often flew up to DC, and up and down the Mall. We had to be very careful at the time to maintain our altitude between 250 and 450 ft (within 3 miles of the Capitol Bldg), or the Strategic Air Command would blow us out of the sky. Question: Where was the SAC last Tuesday morning? --- Samantha A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Woe to Ariel?
-Caveat Lector- Really Joshua - we see now the USA and the Arab Nations Uniting for peace while Woe to Ariel Sharon, he calls for war... Only thing he wants the Yanks to go over and die for this slaughterman? Be luckey Joshua, for there are five big Arab nations surrounding Israel and had they really wanted to they could have taken out Israel any time they wanted but why - for a pile of stones and rocks? Its the Oil stupid so Joshua go back to playing wargames on your little computer and playing spy for the ADL, but you and people like you have brought trouble into our House. So Mr Schwartz, go back in your little chair which is probably built for two, and take Public Image with you... You want Americans to die for more jews, homosexuals and gypsies? How about our constitutuion - Joshua - but take that Marxist crap you feed upon, and shove it. Saba A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Fwd: [CIA-DRUGS] Strategic Air Command
-Caveat Lector- When the first satellite was sent up bearing the Russian Red Star, Sputnik? Well Curtiss LeMay as head of SAC was just plain old hat. This is why it was important to get to the moon first and get into the space program which John F Kennedy did - meanwhile back at home Meyer Lansky and his Jewish Mob was more concerned about their gambling temples in Cuba but then what would one expect with dual citizenship - as they say, you cannot serve two masters. LeMay's brother lived on our turf and was friend to my husband while Curtiss LeMay was friend to my brother in law who later became THOR Chief. SAC was no big deal anymore for as they said on moon, one big step for mankind, while the enemy within preaches we did not go to the moon? Know one, know them all...only way to stop what is coming is to align yourself with your enemies? For friends like Israel, we can do without. REMEMBER THE USS LIBERTY. SABA A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Fwd: [CIA-DRUGS] Strategic Air Command
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 9/18/01 12:18:59 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Let's see what is the size of the military Budget? Who's watch is it? Let me help your memory. We are still working under the last Clinton budget. Bush's budget hasn't been voted in yet by the House. BHoward A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Still think Jim Floyd isn't a racist?
-Caveat Lector- My my Joshua and Pugliese - this one small voice you would silence? Why? Is Jim Floyd a racist? Maybe so, but I prefer Jim Floyd to the shit you put out, you little twerps. Know thine enemy? Really. One big plane could have wiped out Israel, right? This act was done to get the USA to go to war in the name of that piece of shit Zionism. This nation was founded by Christians but they were quick to note in their Illuminati papers, it was freedom from religion and this religious shit and this - well Jews were given a State and the means by which to defend same - so its every man for himself.As Prince Faisal said, domestic jews and arabs and christians want to live in peace, but this (and I use more descriptive words of my own choosing ) but this big piece of shit called Zionism won't let them. Its the oil, asshole - its the oil.They want Zionist Oil companies all over America and the poor Arabs they want the Yanks to take them out. Well we have been danced with before...only this time, we will lead. Israel doesn't like to see USA and big time Arabs united do they - for their little plan backfired - Sharon was ready for war, America's guards were down becaue we have been preoccupied with the little state of Israel, whose men now are beginning to see the light and do not want war. Saba A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Israel is Not Helpful
-Caveat Lector- Israel - the Negev - A US Landing Stage? Israel is America's strongest ally in the Middle East. The situation today is that the US will not be allowed 5,000 troops in Saudi Arabia or other Arab states, so part of Israel's Negev area could be a landing stage, a vast airfield for all that is necessary to strike at the Taliban in Afghanistan and other Islamic terrorist organizations in the Middle East. So it could become a West versus Islam, a clash of civilizations a religious war concerning the world's three main religions. JohnDM A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Patience will be required for the duty ahead
-Caveat Lector- from: http://www.ctrl.org/MilleganStews/Paitence.html Click Here: A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/MilleganStews/Paitence.html; Patience will be required for the duty ahead/A - Millegan Stews Patience will be required for the duty ahead By Kris Millegan 9/18/01 Is the NWO is simply to be the legacy of war? The War was no more invited by us than were the questions which are laid at our doors by its results. President William McKinley, Omaha, October 1898 Who was McKinley? He was a politician beholding to the oil interests and trusts of the time. He was nominated as the Repubilcan candidate at a convention in St Louis June 16, 1896. Businessman and boyhood friend of John D Rockefeller, Mark Hanna spent a year and half, and over a hundred thousand dollars to acquire the nomination. Hanna then devoted all of his time for the next three months in getting McKinley elected. Frying the fat he called it, the raising of four million dollars from the business community. Standard Oil ponied-up a quarter of a million and banks everywhere were formally assessed one-fourth of one percent of their combined capital and surplus.With this money they help to set a patterncentralized organization, controlled exposure of the candidate, saturation of the organs of public opinionthat has prevailed to the present. Earlier in his career, McKinley had gotten himself in deep economic trouble, Hanna and friends had raised the money to bail him out and allowed him to remain in public life. You never know when some politician will become useful, do you? In the late 1880s as Chairman of the Ways and Means, McKinley authored the McKinley Tariff bill. There was a treasury surplus, so Mckinley removed the heavy revenue producing tariff from raw sugar. This admitted Cuban sugar free of duty and lead to the creation of the Sugar Trust, American Sugar Refining Company. Secretary of State John Foster undertook the implementation of the bill, which resulted in a dramatic importation of Cuban sugar. There were some problems though, the Republicans lost power for awhile and the pesky rebels in Cuba were causing problems for sugar and other financial interests. McKinley was installed in March of 1897 and by the end of July 1898 Cuba was ours and the sugar was safe. Patience will be required for the duty ahead President William McKinley Speaking of the Spainsh-American War, 1898 Any of this sound familiar? MHO Om K - Aloha, He'Ping, Om, Shalom, Salaam. Em Hotep, Peace Be, All My Relations. Omnia Bona Bonis, Adieu, Adios, Aloha. Amen. Roads End A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Fwd: [CIA-DRUGS] Strategic Air Command
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 9/18/01 1:00:16 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Let me help your memory. We are still working under the last Clinton budget. Bush's budget hasn't been voted in yet by the House. BHoward I didn't ask whose. I mentioned the size. Again, whose watch is it? Om K A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Patience will be required for the duty ahead
-Caveat Lector- All too familiar but then consider McKinley, of Scotch Irish descent, was ainated and Ambrose Bierce, one of Hearsts propagandists wrote a poem and as a result of same, had to leave the country for the same was written, a week or so before McKinley assassinated: The bullet that pierced Goebells Breast; Cannot be found, in all the west. Good reason, it is speeding here; To put McKinley, on the bier. And this little quantrain was not considered prophetic but rather a piece of propaganda designed in part to assist the bullet and the assassin . So much for Hearst and Ambrose Bierceeven his name, was not his own. But one thing, Bierce know the power of the word.the two edged sword which cuts both ways. Saba A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] American Sugar Kingdom: The Plantation Economy of the Spanish Caribbean 1898-1934
-Caveat Lector- from: http://www.eh.net/bookreviews/library/0301.shtml - He opens his analysis emphasizing the coincidence of the invasion of Cuba and Puerto Rico in 1898 (the Spanish-American War) with a reorganization of the sugar trust in the United States, towards a more oligopolistic structure. - American Sugar Kingdom: The Plantation Economy of the Spanish Caribbean 1898-1934 Ayala, César Published by EH.NET (October 2000) César Ayala, American Sugar Kingdom: The Plantation Economy of the Spanish Caribbean 1898-1934. Chapel Hill, NC: University of North Carolina Press, 1999. xii + 321 pp. $49.95 (cloth), ISBN: 0-8078-2506-9; $19.95 (paper), ISBN: 0-8078-4788-7. Reviewed for EH.NET by Alan Dye, Department of Economics, Barnard College. Surprisingly, there has been little comparative historical work published that focuses on the sugar industries of the three Spanish Caribbean countries, Cuba, Puerto Rico, and Santo Domingo. César Ayala's book, therefore, bridges an important gap in the literature. Ayala has constructed a narrative of substantial breadth, combining a critical reading of the secondary literatures on each country's sugar industry with primary evidence and an emphasis on their links to their major twentieth-century market, the United States. Working within the tradition of world systems theory (of Immanuel Wallerstein), he places each of these three countries within its world context. The book is motivated as a challenge to the neo-Marxist Plantation School, which as he describes it, emphasizes the continuity of the plantation as a fundamental unit of analysis by which plantation economies occupy a common, peripheral position in the world system. Ayala challenges the generality of such claims, arguing that the plantation systems in the Spanish Caribbean were comparatively different, conditioned by different historical contexts and different institutional linkages to the United States. He opens his analysis emphasizing the coincidence of the invasion of Cuba and Puerto Rico in 1898 (the Spanish-American War) with a reorganization of the sugar trust in the United States, towards a more oligopolistic structure. Some of the key personalities in the sugar-refining rivalry in the United States were major investors in raw sugar companies in Cuba and Puerto Rico after 1898. He argues that the mechanisms of the holding company and interlocking directorates vertically integrated each of the local industries to the U.S. sugar refining sector. Unified ownership of vertically related segments of sugar processing and refining are demonstrated with great clarity and detail. Differences in the character of vertical ownership in each of the three countries are identified. Variations in patterns of ownership are illustrated using case studies of the Cuba Cane Sugar Corporation, the Cuban American Sugar Company, the Punta Alegre Sugar Company, the South Porto Rico Sugar Company and a number of other companies within the American Sugar Refining or National Sugar Refining groups. This portion of the book extends and contributes substantively to the work of Oscar Pino Santos and others. Most engaging in this broad narrative are Chapters 3 and 4, which focus on the significance of the customs area and the vertical ownership, and Chapter 8, which has put together a description of the three countries' reactions to the stresses of the Great Depression, the increased U.S. sugar tariff (Hawley-Smoot) and the subsequent adoption of the U.S. Sugar Program. Each country responded to the sugar crisis of 1930 in remarkably different ways. With a few key insights, Ayala tells an interesting story about the contrast in policy responses of each of the three. He gives some insight into the political economic causes of each of these policy responses, but as the last chapter of the book, it obviously is intended to raise questions and point the way forward. The central empirical theme of the book is vertical integration, which is not precisely defined; but clearly of interest to the author is its transcendence of national borders. Evidence of vertical ownership is presented to argue that foreigners controlled the sugar companies in the Spanish Caribbean. Despite the reference to vertical integration, the author approaches the subject as a socional differences, in his case studies, between shareholder representation on the boards of directors and managerial control are not examined. The reader interested in the governance structures or contracting issues will not find them addressed here. This seems to matter for the validity of his conclusions, since it leaves some alternative views unaddressed. The vertical ownership structures might have developed to assist in organization innovations or to underpin relational contracts, to reduce transaction costs. If so, rather than unambiguously disempowering the national industries, as he claims, they may also have brought material benefit. Ayala's prognosis is that
[CTRL] Joshua and his Marxist Friends
More on the super sleuting of Joshua2 and his Marxist friends.tell me Joshua did you write all of this, for in part it sounds just like you with one exception - some of the names have been changed to protect the innocents..still spying on the militias Joshua and supporting the take away the gun ADL? Disarm the Americans? While Ariel Sharon awaits the Yanks to come over and save his big fat ass (the Palestinians call him he big fat slob). We have seen the enemy, Joshua2 - the Ugly Face of Zionism and remember, one does not serve two masters.sticks and stones might break your bones - but its the word you fear the most? Here are Joshua's words as recorded on the net deep into cyberspace...tell me what Marxists and Joshua have in common? Saba Understanding the New World Order by Joshua2 part 7d CONSPIRACIES IN CHRISTIAN AMERICA --- Subject: SNET: Please read this carefully before responding - Date: Wed, 15 Oct 1997 05:45:20 -0400 (EDT) From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - SearchNet's SNETNEWS Mailing List The Destruction of America! Is it happening by chance...or...Is our nation blindly following the plan of a small but powerful group of wealthy International Bankers who are determined to rule over us as slaves in the coming ONE WORLD GOVERNMENT, THE NEW WORLD ORDER? After years of study, we have become convinced that there is an internationalist plot to create a one world government and destroy American sovereignty. The Internationalists behind this plot are working in secrecy. Why? Because they know that if too many Americans wake up and learn the truth about what has been happening to our nation, and if a large number of Americans found out who the enemy really is, and if they found out how the enemy is doing his work, then these patriotic Americans would rise up and destroy those who are behind this diabolical plot. For centuries a small but powerful clique has been working towards the day when they will be able to force the United States and the nations of the world to submit to a one world government.The United Nations is a mere pawn in the arsenal of these conspirators. They are planning for the day when they can compel the American people and the nations of the world to accept a one world monetary system, which they will control, as a precursor to a one world government run by the slave masters in charge of us in the NEW WORLD ORDER. From the beginning they have known that in order to enslave us they would have to de-christianize America, and they have done so, using the federal courts which they ideologically dominate, removing prayer and Bible study from our schools. It has been their plan to promote a breakdown of our families and our morality and they have been very successful in this regard. How have they done it? They exercise near complete control over Hollywood, Television and nearly all print and publishing media. They continuously produce obscene films and lascivious television shows, intentionally flooding our nation and our minds with pornographic images for the express purpose of destroying the moral fiber of our people.They have used the ACLU, which they control to remove every last vestige of God and Christianity from the public arena. In 1913 International Bankers created our national banking system, better known as the Federal Reserve System. Using banks that they have privately owned for centuries they created the Federal Reserve System as a vehicle by which to steal our nations entire supply of gold and they have left us holding paper money that will ultimately become worthless. They have used the IRS to intimidate us with financial ruin if we dare to resist their tyrannical system of taxation. An integral part of the their plan for world domination is the dumbing down of the average American. They have used the public schools to indoctrinate our children in anti-Christian ideas and anti-American ideology. The public schools have been their primary weapon in the war to destroy our children's future, indoctrinating them in liberalism and by intentionally giving them a substandard education. The ability of all Americans to read, to think and to reason clearly is at an all time low. One reason for this is because the public schools refuse to use phonics to teach children how to read. Why? Because colleges of education financed by the Rockefeller foundation do not teach the teachers of tomorrow the phonics method of reading instruction. Instead they use the Look - Say method which has proved a dismal failure (just as they planned?). Presently the public schools are more interested in teaching our children about condoms than mathematics.Why? Because those who are in control of the educational establishment know that they must demoralize and dumb down America before they can disarm us, suspend the United States Constitution and put us under their
Re: [CTRL] nukes
-Caveat Lector- FrontLine PBS Special SuitCase Nukes http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/russia/suitcase/ In 1997, the public became aware of a Russian nuclear device they had not known even existed--the so-called suitcase bomb. These devices were made for the Soviet KGB. One of these bombs had an explosive charge of one kiloton, equivalent to one thousand tons of TNT. If a device like this made its way to the U.S. it could destroy everything within a half-mile radius of the Capitol in Washington, D.C. Within hours, prevailing winds would carry the nuclear fallout throughout Washington. What Are These Russian 'Suitcase Bombs' Like? http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/russia/suitcase/comments.html The comments of Alexei Yablokov, former science adviser to Boris Yeltsin; Russian General Vladimir Dvorkin; policy expert Matthew Bunn; U.S. General Eugene Habiger; and U.S. Congressman Curt Weldon. The U.S. Version of a 'Suitcase Bomb' In the 1960s the U.S. built its own version of a mini nuclear device-- the Special Atomic Demolition Munition (SADM). It weighed 80-100 pounds, was small enough to fit in a duffel bag or large case and was designed for sabotage missions-- airfields, bridges, dams. Like the Russian device, it had an explosive charge of roughly one thousand tons of TNT ( one kiloton). Film of the SADM was declassified in 1997 and shows how it would be deployed by a parachutist for a jump mission into water to reach a target. Although the parachute jumps and retrieval operations were rehearsed many times, the project was never put to use and these nuclear devices do not exist in current stockpiles. (Both video clips require RealPlayer 5.0 or higher and a 56K modem to be viewed). http://video.pbs.org:8080/ramgen/wgbh/pages/frontline/1712_prepare.rm This shows how the SADM was designed for a parachute jump and swimmer delivery system. The SADM was fit into a special flotation bag so the atomic munition would float when the parachutist hit the water. This clip also shows how the flotation bag was designed to attach to the parachutist's body. http://video.pbs.org:8080/wgbh/pages/frontline/1712_jumping.rm This shows test jumps into water from several Navy and Marine aircraft, and how the Navy parachutist- with the SADM attached- swims to target and de-attaches and activates the bomb. At 09:48 AM 9/18/01 -0400, you wrote: -Caveat Lector- From: Steve [EMAIL PROTECTED] That would be very. Tunnels and caves would be a relatively good way to avoid radiation, and radiation would contaminate the environment and lead to further escalation including possible nuclear war. Oh brother. Here we go. Possible nuclear war with just WHO Steve??? A bunch of Afghani herdsmen with AK-47's? Please. Granted, great guerilla fighters they may be. But nuclear capability? C'mon. That's a stretch, even by the incredibly credulous standards of the CTRL! So...let's see. What other Mid East baddie might engage in a bit of the old nuclear escalation. Oh! I know! Saddam Hussein. Yeah. Let's see. He could take an oil tanker and retrofit a missle gantry on the deck. Then he could load it up with a nuclear tipped SCUD. Then he could cross the Atlantic, park off the New York coastline, and (given the SCUD's known accuracy) might hit the Jersey swamps. Or how about one of those misnamed suitcase nukes? OK. Let's consider that scenario. Suitcase nuke goes off in a major US city, doing massive damage, albeit in an extrememly limited area (approx. 1 mile radius). Fallout is minimal precisely because the weapons are low yield. US reaction? The entire Arab world gets lit up like a Christmas tree. Now THAT'S what I call escalation! DC A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om A
[CTRL] Radio Sings Self-Censorship Tune
-Caveat Lector- Radio Sings Self-Censorship Tune http://www.wired.com/news/print/0,1294,46925,00.html By Brad King Sep. 18, 2001 Queen's Another One Bites the Dust. Led Zeppelin's Stairway to Heaven. They are rock classics, heard on radio stations across the country for more than two decades. But now they're on a list of about 150 songs that a group of radio programmers deemed too offensive to play on the airwaves in the wake of last week's terrorist attacks. Executives within the radio division at Clear Channel Communications -- one of the nation's largest radio conglomerates -- denied any list had been developed. But sources familiar with the situation said an informal list of songs -- with lyrics and/or themes that might seem inappropriate to some -- had been delivered throughout the music industry. Although there doesn't appear to be any direct censorship involved, entertainment groups -- long the whipping boys of child watchdog organizations and some in Congress -- believe this is an overreaction brought on during a time of national tragedy. They fear that Congress may be too quick to curtail civil liberties. There is massive self-censorship that is going on, said John Perry Barlow, an Electronic Frontier Foundation board member. I was worried about this because that censorship is (the) most insidious thing. This is what totalitarianism is. It's not the will of someone inserting their will on the populace. It's the will of the populace exerting its will on the populace. The entertainment industry has been wary after last week's attacks, taking protracted first steps toward limiting images being promoted after facing congressional scrutiny over advertising practices and parental advisory labels in the last year. But the list of songs wasn't meant as a way to censor stations. Radio programmers with Clear Channel -- parent company to 1,170 stations across the United States -- began developing a list of songs, apparently through e-mail, with lyrics that some might consider offensive in the wake of the attacks. As the list was forwarded from station to station, people continued to add songs. Eventually, the list had over 150 songs. The list was then sent out to managers, artists and radio stations across the country, according to sources familiar with the events. However, the move was meant as an informational campaign for programmers not familiar with all of the songs. On the list were rather obvious songs to be avoided like Steve Miller's Jet Airliner, Queen's Another One Bites the Dust and Led Zeppelin's Stairway to Heaven. But the list was meant to help programmers who might not envision that Everclear's Santa Monica might offend some listeners, said sources familiar with the list. Without knowing the lyrics to the song, programmers might have played the song that contains the lyrics swim out past the breakers/watch the world die. Even the BBC's Radio 1 has put a brief ban on certain songs, including ex-Spice Girl Geri Halliwell's remake of It's Raining Men, according to NTK.net. Of course, not all artists were happy to hear about the list that was circulated around the Clear Channel stations. Former Too Much Joy front man Tim Quirk said that developing a list of songs that might upset people was an overreaction, since some of those on the list had messages of hope and love. The blanket decree from Clear Channel was frightening in its apparent assumption that all station employees and potential listeners are insensitive morons, and the inclusion of songs of peace and wonder (such as 'What a Wonderful World' and 'Imagine') was particularly sad and unhelpful, Quirk said. Major conglomerates weren't the only stations worried about repercussions from programming. Tazy Stein's was scheduled to broadcast his show SP Radio One from New York during the College Media Journal music conference. Built around live performances from emerging bands, Stein was set to feature Swedish band, The (International) Noise Conspiracy. After the terrorist attacks scuttled the conference, Stein had to reconsider the content on his show, which airs on San Diego's independently owned KFSD. I'm a fan of their band, but it wasn't the right timing, Stein said. The first song in their set list was called 'The Reproduction of Death.' That obviously wasn't appropriate for my show, after those events in New York. Reality also forced California hip-hop group The Coup to recall a recently released CD that featured a picture of the World Trade Center towers on fire. While the events in New York and Washington have forced entertainment companies of all types to reconsider their content, some Internet sites have pushed forward with gruesome pictures and images. Rotten.com has continued its daily mission of publishing photographs and video clips of dead people and animals, along with graphic sexual encounters. Although it's announced no plans to publish photos from the attacks, the company -- which published a
[CTRL] BBC confirms 1991 footage was used on celebrating Palestinians (fwd)
-Caveat Lector- Assalamu'alaikum Up until now we have not published this report. ININ is very careful to ensure that our reports come from reliable sources as we have been burnt by hoaxes in the best. But this info below was written by Russell Grossman Head of Internal Communication, BBC, an offical source. The url is at http://forums.prospero.com/id-argument/messages/?msg=6521 We hope it remains on the page. ININ - Well I posted this up earlier this afternoon but it mysteriously dissapeared, so here it is again with a pre-post to hopefully help people see what I'm trying to discuss... Now this is definately not some kind of pointer to a zionist or any other form of conspiracy, I have never and hopefully will never subscribe to the conspiracy theory ethos maintained by those wishing to pursue their own agendas and prejudices. All I'm doing is passing on some news which I thought may interest most here and maybe provoke some debate on the trust and subsequent responsibility of news reporting agencies. I'm sure all of you will agree that if this, and my gut instinct is yes, is true it asks a lot of questions of the decisions and peoples involved and of the potential damage which can be caused in future events. Again, I will repeat as before, if anyone wants to attack me personally for posting this then go right ahead, contrary to previous accusations I do not engage in ill-judged farmyard activities nor hold religious beliefs of any denomination. For those of you still willing to read the information below and form your own opinions of what this means with regards to the power of information within todays society read on... There's an important point in the power of press, specifically the power of CNN. All around the world we are subjected to 3 or 4 huge news distributors, and one of them - as you well know - is CNN. Very well, I guess all of you have been seeing (just as I've been) images from this company. In Particular, one set of images caught my attention: the Palestinians celebrating the bombing, out on the streets, eating celebration sweets and making funny faces for the camera. Well, THOSE IMAGES WERE SHOT BACK IN 1991!!! Those are images of Palestinians celebrating the invasion of Kuwait! It's simply unacceptable that a super-power of communications as CNN uses images which do not correspond to the reality in talking about so serious of an issue. At the BBC here, we have these footages on videotapes recorded in 1991, with the very same images. But now, think for a moment about the impact of such images. Your people are hurt, emotionally fragile, and this kind of broadcast has very high possiblity of causing waves of anger and rage against the Palestinians. It's simply irresponsible to show images such as those. Russell Grossman | Head of Internal Communication | BBC Third Floor | London Broadcasting House | LONDON W1A 1AA ININ List Archives Found Here: http://www.egroups.com/messages/inin TO SUBSCRIBE: To subscribe please e-mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the body type: subscribe inin-net TO UNSUBSCRIBE: To unsubscribe please e-mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the body type in: unsubscribe inin-net ISLAMIC NEWS AND INFORMATION NETWORK: HTTP://WWW.ININ.NET VISIT: HTTP://WWW.MEDIAMONITORS.NET WE AFFIRM THAT INJUSTICE ANYWHERE IS A THREAT TO JUSTICE EVERYWHERE DEFINING APARTHEID Article 2 of the International Convention of the Suppression and Punishment of the Crime of Apartheid of 1973 clearly defined the term crime of apartheid. This includes similar policies and practices of segregation and discrimination as practiced in South Africa and which also apply to inhuman acts committed for the purpose of the establishment and maintaining of domination by one racial group over another. This includes the deliberated imposition of living conditions calculated to cause physical destruction and any legislative or other measures preventing a racial group from full development of their political, social, economic and cultural life. This is an accurate description of what the zionists are doing to the Palestinian people with the full support of the USA. A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to
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-Caveat Lector- From: Nurev Ind. [EMAIL PROTECTED] This is drivel. The author doesn't have a clue. But he does have an opinion. Almost all of it is wrong. I completely agree with you Nurev. If peace and a place at the table were all they wanted, this thing would have been settled long ago. Instead, the countless peace talks have only served as a smokescreen behind which Arafat and his Ishmaelite pals could hide while continuing their long war of terror and attrition against Israel. DC A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
