[CTRL] Star Light, Star Bright
-Caveat Lector- From http://www.metimes.com/2K1/issue2001-38/methaus.htm }}}Begin World's biggest war games to go ahead in Egypt By Michel Sailhan CAIRO The United States, France and other countries are moving ahead with preparations for the world's biggest war games, with some 70,000 troops in Egypt in October, Western diplomats said here on September 17. The diplomats said they were virtually certain the war games, dubbed Operation Bright Star, would go head despite the wave of terror attacks in the United States and a much-anticipated U.S. military response. Some 1,000 U.S. troops have arrived this month in northern Egypt to take part in the military exercises, which have been staged every two years since the 1980s, and France is also moving ahead with its plans, they added. Around 40,000 Egyptian and 20,000 U.S. troops will make up the bulk of the force from 12 countries this year, they said. The three-phase exercises will last from October 8 to November 1 and will include training, tactical operations simulating confrontations with enemy forces, and a final phase to test command readiness. Maneuvers will take place in the area of Al Alamein, where British and allied forces won a pivotal battle against Axis forces in World War II. Most of the exercises will be on land, some of them involving airborne troops. France, the second largest foreign contributor with 1,500 troops, will take part with Germany, Britain, Spain and Greece as well as four Arab countries: Kuwait, Jordan, the United Arab Emirates and Bahrain. The participation of 1,000 Italian troops has yet to be confirmed. A spokesman for the U.S. Embassy in Cairo said September 17 that the American participation was still going ahead in the absence of any announcement to the contrary. The U.S. forces, including U.S. Special Forces and mechanized troops, are under orders from General Tommy Franks, who heads the Central Command zone. The zone covers the Horn of Africa, Egypt, the countries of the Arabian Peninsula, Afghanistan and Pakistan as well as the neighboring countries of the former Soviet Union, but excludes Israel, Lebanon and Syria. Washington has enlisted Pakistan's support in the war against terrorism. With its contingent of 40,000 men, Egypt is sending around one tenth of its military capability to the exercises, which aim to show the participants' commitment to the stability of the volatile region. Egypt is one of the main allies of the United States, receiving $1.3 billion in military aid every year, making it the second largest recipient after Israel. AFP End{{{ ~~~ Forwarded as information only; no endorsement to be presumed + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + In accordance with Title 17 U.S.C. section 107, this material is distributed without charge or profit to those who have expressed a prior interest in receiving this type of information for non-profit research and educational purposes only. + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + The only real voyage of discovery consists not in seeking new landscapes but in having new eyes. -Marcel Proust + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + Do not believe in anything simply because you have heard it. Do not believe simply because it has been handed down for many generations. Do not believe in anything simply because it is spoken and rumored by many. Do not believe in anything simply because it is written in Holy Scriptures. Do not believe in anything merely on the authority of Teachers, elders or wise men. Believe only after careful observation and analysis, when you find that it agrees with reason and is conducive to the good and benefit of one and all. Then accept it and live up to it. The Buddha on Belief, from the Kalama Sutta + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + A merely fallen enemy may rise again, but the reconciled one is truly vanquished. -Johann Christoph Schiller, German Writer (1759-1805) + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + It is preoccupation with possessions, more than anything else, that prevents us from living freely and nobly. -Bertrand Russell + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + Everyone has the right...to seek, receive and impart information and ideas through any media and regardless of frontiers. Universal Declaration of Human Rights + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + Always do sober what you said you'd do drunk. That will teach you to keep your mouth shut. --- Ernest Hemingway A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread
[CTRL] Sharon snatches defeat from the belly of victory (fwd)
-Caveat Lector- -- Forwarded message -- Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2001 23:21:06 EDT From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [AL-AWDA] Sharon snatches defeat from the belly of victory 9 21 01 Sharon snatches defeat from the belly of victory Sisters brothers, A massive gap has opened between Bush Sharon. The 9/21 issue of NYâs pro-Zionist Forward http://www.forward.com/ reports in detail re the problems Bush faces because of his entanglement with Sharon Zionism. I urge all to download the following articles listed study them. As it is unrealistic to think that busy folks will drop everything to read 4 articles on anyoneâs say so, allow me to focus on the highlights, so as to stimulate you to find time to read them, asap. The crucial fact is that âSaudi Crown Prince Abdullah... was the key factor in convincing the administration that if Israel attacked Arafat under the umbrella of an American campaign against Islamic terrorism, the entire Arab world would unite against Washington. Consequently, he warned, the future of moderate pro-American regimes, such as those in Riyadh, Cairo or Amman, would be seriously jeopardized.â Sharon of course wanted to use the disgraceful cheering by some Palestinians at the deaths of thousands of Americans, against all Palestinians. Bush may be a fool, but Powell, a sophisticated soldier with some notion of politics, understands that they must take down bin Laden, that is next to impossible if the Arab masses move against the regimes. Arab Muslim support for catching bin Laden is crucial to the undertaking. Therefor Bush had to call for Sharon to allow Shimon Peres to talk with Arafat. That, Sharon doesnât want, no way, no how. Peres, his Foreign Minister, understands that the US must defend itself, that for Israel not to talk to Arafat is ârejectionistâ to the nth power as far as Americans are concerned. As the prince warned, the bottom line for Arab support, or at least lack of opposition to US military efforts, is Washington making Israel sit down with the Palestinians. If they donât do that, it will mean dead Americans, the collapse of Wall St.âs native satraps in the region, the lose of control of the Persian Gulfâs oil to fundamentali sm or nationalism the left. Instead of cooperating, Sharon freaked out. He âtook his case to the American public... Addressing a group of Jewish community leaders in a teleconference with reporters invited to listen in, Mr. Sharon repeated his comparison of Mr. Arafat to bin Laden and declared that the coalition against terror should struggle against all terror organizationsâ and must include the terrorist organization led by Arafat Sharon declared: We are not going to pay a price for this coalition. We cannot do it. The American Jews were stunned. âSeveral participants in the teleconference, which was organized by the Conference of Presidents of Major American Jewish Organizations, privately expressed surprise and discomfort at what they called Mr. Sharon's âextremeâ and âundiplomaticâ language.â Everyone knows Arafat is a fool. But even a fool is wise after the event, in this case, the cheering for bin Laden. âThere were Israeli intelligence reports that he had sent out an order to his security services to rein in the Islamic militants of Hamas and Islamic Jihad. He was also working feverishly to demonstrate Palestinian sympathy and solidarity with American victims of terrorism.â Bush blew up: âSharon was also said to be surprised at the stark American insistence, delivered by President Bush in a reportedly heated conversation with the prime minister, that Israel go ahead with plans for a meeting between Mr. Arafat and... Peres.â âSharon thus found himself at loggerheads with both the administration and his foreign minister. Mr. Peres was demanding that his meeting with Mr. Arafat be allowed to proceed, accusing Mr. Sharon of placing Israel in an anti-American rejectionist front.â Now we have the crux of the matter. For good bad reasons, Bush must have bin Ladenâs ass to show the world. But to get that fine fellowâs posterior into his sling, he must persuade the Arab masses to let him do it. Suddenly their decision, their activity or non-activity, has become the decisive factor in Middle Eastern politics , more crucially, in Americaâs politics. The cliche would be that Sharon snatched defeat from the jaws of victory. But donât have any illusions. He had to reach way down into victory's belly to pull this brilliant stunt off. Because there is no doubt that many Palestinians were happy at the news from America, contrary to the perfervid denial syndrome found among many Arab-Americans, who know how enraged millions of Americans became when they saw this. These Arab-Americans, of many politics, follow Arafat, who they usually despise, as a fool despot, in minimizing that unspeakable reality. That
[CTRL] Fwd: Update: Terrorism and U.S. Policy
The Home page for this group is:http://www.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/ Hasta, Ham In a message dated 9/21/01 7:59:26 PM !!!First Boot!!!, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: National Security Archive Update, September 21, 2001 *The September 11th Source Books, Volume I: Terrorism and U.S. Policy* http://www.nsarchive.org/NSAEBB/sept11/ Washington, D.C., September 21 â The horrific September 11th terrorist attacks on the World Trade Center and the Pentagon brought all of us here at the Archive feelings of rage at the hijackers, grief for the thousands who were murdered, and also determination that we will contribute to finding the best ways for America to respond. The Archiveâs mission is to put on the record the primary source documentation that can enrich the policy debate, improve journalism, educate policymakers, and ensure that we donât reinvent the wheel or repeat the mistakes of the past. To these ends, we begin today by publishing the first volume in a series called The September 11th Sourcebooks. We have cast a wide net, because the policy debate itself is also ranging widely, from deployment options abroad to wiretap surveillance at home. This first volume contains the documents that our staff experts, led by Dr. Jeffrey Richelson and coordinated by Michael Evans, have selected as the most important primary sources on U.S. terrorism policy. These materials include CIA biographic sketches of Usama Bin Ladin and Taliban leader Mohammad Omar, reports from the Pentagon and the Senate Intelligence Committee on previous terrorist attacks on the USS Cole and the Khobar Towers, the State Departmentâs overview of global terrorism and the FBIâs review of terrorism in the U.S. We have included several of the most relevant Congressional Research Service briefs, six of the General Accounting Officeâs most recent reports on combating terrorism, plus the key policy directives on terrorism from the Pentagon and from Presidents Reagan and Clinton. In coming days, we plan to publish a volume of documents from both Soviet and U.S. files on the lessons of the last war in Afghanistan, and other volumes on specific topics in the current policy debate, such as the U.S. ban on assassinations and the CIA guidelines on recruiting assets. We welcome your ideas, queries and suggestions for other topics and other documents. How will we make the United States â and the world â both secure and free? The documents are available at the following URL: http://www.nsarchive.org/NSAEBB/sept11/ ___ National Security Archive Update, September 21, 2001 *The September 11th Source Books, Volume I: Terrorism and U.S. Policy* http://www.nsarchive.org/NSAEBB/sept11/ Washington, D.C., September 21 The horrific September 11th terrorist attacks on the World Trade Center and the Pentagon brought all of us here at the Archive feelings of rage at the hijackers, grief for the thousands who were murdered, and also determination that we will contribute to finding the best ways for America to respond. The Archives mission is to put on the record the primary source documentation that can enrich the policy debate, improve journalism, educate policymakers, and ensure that we dont reinvent the wheel or repeat the mistakes of the past. To these ends, we begin today by publishing the first volume in a series called The September 11th Sourcebooks. We have cast a wide net, because the policy debate itself is also ranging widely, from deployment options abroad to wiretap surveillance at home. This first volume contains the documents that our staff experts, led by Dr. Jeffrey Richelson and coordinated by Michael Evans, have selected as the most important primary sources on U.S. terrorism policy. These materials include CIA biographic sketches of Usama Bin Ladin and Taliban leader Mohammad Omar, reports from the Pentagon and the Senate Intelligence Committee on previous terrorist attacks on the USS Cole and the Khobar Towers, the State Departments overview of global terrorism and the FBIs review of terrorism in the U.S. We have included several of the most relevant Congressional Research Service briefs, six of the General Accounting Offices most recent reports on combating terrorism, plus the key policy directives on terrorism from the Pentagon and from Presidents Reagan and Clinton. In coming days, we plan to publish a volume of documents from both Soviet and U.S. files on the lessons of the last war in Afghanistan, and other volumes on specific topics in the current policy debate, such as the U.S. ban on assassinations and the CIA guidelines on recruiting assets. We welcome your ideas, queries and suggestions for other topics and other documents. How will we make the United States and the world both secure and free? The documents are available at the following URL: http://www.nsarchive.org/NSAEBB/sept11/ ___ THE NATIONAL SECURITY
[CTRL] Did Israelis evacuate towers
-Caveat Lector- http://www.wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=24616 Did Israelis evacuate towers? Net rumor sparked by reports from Pakistan, Hezbollah © 2001 WorldNetDaily.com With the aid and speed of the Internet, conspiracy theorists are spreading a rumor that 4,000 Israelis who worked in the World Trade Center didn't report for work the day two airliners commandeered by terrorists crashed into the towers, destroying the tallest buildings in New York. The e-mailers and Internet sites spreading the tale suggest this is evidence Israel, not Islamic terrorists, were behind the attack Sept. 11 or at least had advance knowledge of it. There's just one problem with the story, WorldNetDaily has learned. It's not true. The report seems to have originated in Jordan's Al Watan newspaper and been spread by Pakistani publications, including Jang. Versions of the story have been repeated at news conferences by Islamic clerics in the Middle East and Central Asia. Alex Safian, associate director of the Committee for Accuracy in Middle East Reporting in America, or CAMERA, which monitors Middle East media coverage, says his organization first saw the report on Lebanon's Al-Manara Television. Al-Manara is the television station of Hezbollah a militant Islamic terrorist group. 4,000 Israeli Employees in WTC Absent the Day of the Attack, read the Manar TV headline Sept. 17. With the announcement of the attacks at the World Trade Center in New York, the international media, particularly the Israeli one, hurried to take advantage of the incident and started mourning 4,000 Israelis who work at the two towers, started the Hezbollah story. Then suddenly, no one ever mentioned anything about those Israelis and later it became clear that they remarkably did not show up in their jobs the day the incident took place. No one talked about any Israeli being killed or wounded in the attacks, the story added. In fact, at least 130 Israelis were killed in the World Trade Center attack. Many more are missing. Nevertheless, Pakistani political leader Sami-ul Haq, in calling for a nationwide strike yesterday to protest his country's plan to cooperate with the U.S., made reference to the rumor. Thousands of Jews working -- nothing happened to them, Haq told a roomful of reporters. The Israeli consulate may be partly responsible for the rumor. Immediately after the tragic attack, it filed requests for information on as many as 4,000 Israelis who may have been in the World Trade Center at the time of the attacks. Nearly 50,000 people work in the buildings at any one time. Many, however, left the second tower following the first attack. The estimated death toll is currently around 7,000, but fewer than 300 bodies have been found and even fewer identified. An FBI spokesman claimed not to have any knowledge of the rumor and refused comment or any interest in it. A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Will conventional weapons be enough
http://www.wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=24525 Will conventional weapons be enough? After '90s mil-tech 'fire sale,' mini-nukes may be necessary, say Pentagon officials By Paul Sperry © 2001 WorldNetDaily.com WASHINGTON -- Ten years ago, foreign enemies watched, slack-jawed, as U.S. armed forces put on a high-tech show in the Persian Gulf. They previously had no idea what U.S. military capabilities were, especially in the areas of night vision, sensors and weapons technology. And everyone from China to Iran to Syria were shocked at the ease with which the U.S. smashed Saddam Hussein's vaunted army. They said, 'Gee, we didn't know we could get our clocks cleaned like that,' said Dave Klimaj, a former Defense Department engineer who worked on night-vision and sensors technology. So they spent the next 10 years stealing our technology -- that is, when [former President] Clinton wasn't handing it to them on a silver platter. During the Clinton years, he said, military-defense technologies were shipped overseas in a giant fire sale. Peter Leitner, a Pentagon export-control officer, agrees that the previous administration's relaxation of controls on dual-use exports has given U.S. enemies -- namely China and the anti-American terrorist states it re-exports U.S. military-related technology to -- an unnecessary leg-up in conventional warfare. Clinton effectively dismantled the military-related export controls regime, said Leitner, who reviews dual-use export license applications for the Defense Threat Reduction Agency. And now, that technology is gone, said Klimaj, who retired from the Pentagon last year. You can't pull it back. It's overseas. In the new war against terrorism, expected to start any day now, Klimaj predicts that American forces will see our technologies being shot back at us. He also suspects the ruling Taliban militia of Afghanistan, with whom China has unusually close ties, may use American sensors and other technology to track and target American forces. We'll use that to shoot at them, but you don't think they'll be so stupid that they won't see us coming with our technology? he said. The cat's out of the bag. That's the worst thing, he added. When we go to war, we're fighting our own technology now, because it's all gone. And they're all laughing at us. Klimaj doubts missile strikes or carpet-bombing will do the job in Afghanistan, where the terrain is so rugged, and soldiers so dug in, that the invading Soviet army eventually gave up and retreated. In 1998, U.S. forces pumped some 60 Tomahawk cruise missiles into Osama bin Laden's terrorist training camps in Khost, Afghanistan, and they didn't touch bin Laden. Enter the n-word. Klimaj thinks, regrettably, that the U.S. may have to resort to using low-grade tactical nuclear weapons this time. I don't think the conventional weapons will work, he said. I think we may have to use little nukes. Nobody likes to see that word [nuke], but you can't carpet-bomb Afghanistan, Klimaj argued. It didn't do any good in Vietnam. It really didn't work that well in the Gulf. And it's not going to do anything now. WorldNetDaily Will conventional weapons be enough.url
[CTRL] Slovakia Opens Airspace to American Warplanes
-Caveat Lector- Slovakia has opened their airspace to American warplanes, but they're so far from Afghanistan that it makes me wonder why they've done this. If Russia has allowed use of their airspace, having Slovakia seems sort of odd. Any terrorists around Slovakia? Damaeus -- .. | AIM:Damaeus |Damaeus [EMAIL PROTECTED] | | ICQ:18405845 |New Age, Conspiracy, UFO, Alien TV Listings | |---'. http://www.web-recon.com/continuum/tv | | YahooMessenger:Damaeus | http://www.web-recon.com | ''---' A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Woe to Ariel?
-Caveat Lector- On Fri, 21 Sep 2001 13:43:30 +, Jacob Sabat [EMAIL PROTECTED] posted article [EMAIL PROTECTED], which said: -Caveat Lector- What area do you in? ??? From: Damaeus [EMAIL PROTECTED] What difference would it have made? If someone had predicted this before it happened, people would call him a complete nut. If it actually happened, they would have called him a conspirator and turned him in to the FBI. Prophets can't win. It's the nature of the job. Prophets throughout history have been hunted, tortured and crucified. -- .. | AIM:Damaeus |Damaeus [EMAIL PROTECTED] | | ICQ:18405845 |New Age, Conspiracy, UFO, Alien TV Listings | |---'. http://www.web-recon.com/continuum/tv | | YahooMessenger:Damaeus | http://www.web-recon.com | ''---' A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] New breeds of Trojan terrorist ?.....
-Caveat Lector- On Fri, 21 Sep 2001, Marilyn Wright wrote: I mean, how do they know that there were 19 hijackers? How do they know how many were aboard each plane? (Did people report this in cell phone calls to relatives?) Yes, they did...on each plane at least one passenger and/or flight attendent got a cellphone call out reporting 'x' number of hijackers had taken over the plane; in addition it was reported that at least on the first plane that went into the WTC, a flight attendent called out and not only reported the names of the hijackers, but what seats they had been sitting in aboard the plane... And if terrorists didn't do it, how did whoever did do it convince 19 people to get on planes and kill themselves--let alone fly into targets that would kill thousands of innocent people? Have you ever read The Manchurian Candidate, or seen the movie (I highly recommend reading the book)? This past week a Panamanian convert to Islam in my area was arrested...the reason the authorities first arrived on the scene was due to a 911 hangup call that was traced to this man's house...turns out it was his mother that called regarding a domestic dispute, this guy flipped out and started abusing her... It would have seemed to have been just your everyday, run-of-the-mill domestic dispute complaint...except the police found drawings of airports this guy had done, lists of various chemical agents that could be used to cause the greatest death and mayhem, and various dates in September crossed off in his personal calendar, including September 11th; somehow the authorities have determined that all of this was done BEFORE 9/11... According to the news reports, this guy has never been in trouble with the law, including for domestic disputes; the mother is at a loss for why her son suddenly 'went crazy'...according to the police, if this had happened BEFORE 9/11 this guy would have spent the night in jail and then released with a date to appear in court, and nothing more would have been thought about it. But due to the increased awareness of possible terrorist cells, the FBI has been brought in and this guy is being held on $500,000 bond... Both the local police and the FBI are playing the whole thing down; the arrested man, they say, has no ties to terrorist organizations; he never took any flight lessons; he's just gone to school and to work here for years... But no one has an explanation for why this formerly law-abiding person suddenly last month started making drawings of airport runways and researching how to make chemical weapons and marking off dates in September, including Tuesday the 11th; no one knows why he suddenly became so abusive to his mother that she was prompted to call 911, leading to the discovery of the questionable papers in his possession... And why so many hijackers? You need some to keep the passengers and flight crew at bay (or to kill them), while two others fly the plane. Two in the cockpit, at least 2 back in the plane taking care of the passengers and flight crew. That would make at least 16 on 4 planes. In addition we know that on one plane their were 2 brothers amongst the hijackers, on another 2 of the hijackers were cousins...so it would seem that perhaps that on a couple of the planes there were more than the bare minimum of hijackers needed to successfully carry out the plan, because one presumes that relatives wanted to die with their loved ones... It still seems impossible to believe that 19 people were able to simultaneously hijack FOUR major airliners. Not at all; it just takes incredible discipline, and long-time research, study, and planning... And remember, there were probably many more than 4 planes with terrorists on board, that luckily were grounded before they too could carry out their mission... And THAT, I feel, is the REAL terror of all this...any one person or group of people with that amount of coolness, level-headedness, and patience to devote YEARS to planning this, to getting the operatives into place into this country well before the planned event, and who apparently has access to a significant amount of funds...they wouldn't have planned just one grand event to occur on one day. They wouldn't have limited themselves to just using commercial airliners as flying bombs. And people with that level of coolness and patience to have waited this long to make their first strike have the coolness and patience to wait for the optimal time for a second strike. I believe that, contrary to some reports, it's highly unlikely that anything significant will occur this weekend; if anything does, I believe it will be relatively minor, just enough to keep the U.S. citizenry nervous The big worry is farther down the road...especially on upcoming holidays... Columbus Day, while it's a federal holiday, is not really a major holday, so it's unlikely anything would be done then; ditto Veteran's Day, although something symbolic may be attempted by the
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Re: [CTRL] FR: Exclusive-Terrorist Paymaster,Probably Bin Laden's Brother Arrested In Orlando, Sent To New York
-Caveat Lector- On 22 Sep 2001 at 0:31, foxter wrote: Cannot get the link to work, is it me? Thanks. The link doesn't work. You can find the article by going to www.freerepublic.com. Click on Forum/Topics, then put Orlando in the search field. The article was first on the list. -- Best wishes In times of tumult discord, bad men have the most power; mental and moral excellence require peace. ~~ Tacitus A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Tarbabies
-Caveat Lector- Euphorian wrote: -Caveat Lector- From http://reason.com/hod/jw092101.html Thanks Euphorian for consistantly posting intelligent and important stuff. J2 A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Fwd: Sobran Says Israel Is Responsible For The Attack : Israeli Lobby Intimid...
Sobran Says Israel Is Responsible For The Attack Israeli Lobby Intimidating Journalists Into Misinforming Public 9/21/01 11:00:44 AM Joe Sobran Commentary -- Is It Worth It? by Joe Sobran One thing is clear: the recent horrible events in New York and Washington had nothing whatsoever, in any way, shape, or form, to do with U.S. support for Israel. Many Arabs and Muslims hate this country and would hate it just as bitterly if there were no such thing as Israel. At least this is what we are hearing from Israel's apologists. The European press seems to assume that America's policy toward Israel helped provoke the 9/11 attack. To the naive eye this would seem rather obvious. Yet we are assured otherwise. Writing in the WALL STREET JOURNAL, Norman Podhoretz asserts that if Israel had never come into existence, or if it were magically to disappear, the U.S. would still stand as an embodiment of everything that most of these Arabs consider evil. Indeed, he goes on, the hatred of Israel is in large part a surrogate for anti- Americanism. According to this argument, the terrible violence we have suffered has no connection to our alliance with Israel; that alliance not only has no cost for us, but is a positive blessing. We are lucky to have such an ally. In fact, by this logic, the cost of the alliance falls on Israel. It would seem to follow that Israel, in its own interest, should break its special ties to the United States and reject any further American military and financial aid. Why should the Israelis, who have their own problems, take on all our enemies in addition? Podhoretz's argument is an insult to his readers' intelligence. Of course American support for Israel has cost this country dearly. Any fool can see that, though in some quarters only a fool would say it out loud. A personal note is relevant here. Fifteen years ago, Podhoretz and his circle tried to get me fired from my job at NATIONAL REVIEW for saying as much. That experience taught me a lot about the limits of free speech. When it comes to Israel, an American journalist speaks his mind at his own risk. That helps explain why so few voices in the U.S. press are saying what European journalists may say without fear. In the early 1980s it became clear to me that the pro-Israel lobby was trying to steer the United States into conflict with the Arab world. I saw nothing in the American interest in that; and my own two sons were approaching the draft age. Until then, I had been strongly pro-Israel myself; but sacrificing my boys for Israel was a higher price than I wanted to pay. Nor did I want other Americans to pay it. But as soon as I began arguing publicly that the U.S.-Israel alliance was not only costly but dangerous to the United States, I became the target of Zionist vituperation and worse. Some, like Podhoretz, tried to ruin my career. And I've seen others get the same treatment. Yet it should be clear even to those who see nothing to criticize in Israel that America pays a price for supporting it -- and the price just got much heavier. No doubt there are other things that make this country hated and despised in the Arab-Muslim world, but to deny that Israel is a chief irritant is dishonest. And we must be free to say so. My point here is not that Israel, or for that matter America itself, is to blame. It's simply in the nature of things that, for all sorts of reasons, the interests of nations conflict; and when a nation projects force abroad, sooner or later it is going to provoke a strong reaction. What happened to us last week was only to be expected; I don't feel like a psychic for having predicted it for many years. Now we have to ask ourselves a simple question: Is it worth it? It's a question we should have asked much earlier. Of course we have to weigh the rights and wrongs of the Middle East, but there comes a time when even taking the right side may bring unbearable costs. It's not encouraging that the U.S. military response to the 9/11 attack has been gauchely dubbed Operation Infinite Justice. Mercy may be infinite, but justice is always a matter of measure. And a sense of measure is just what has been missing in American foreign policy for lo, these many years. Subscribe to the Sobran column. See http://www.sobran.com/e-mail.shtml or http://www.griffnews.com for details and samples or call 800-513-5053 or write [EMAIL PROTECTED] Libertarian Socialist News Post Office Box 12244 Silver Spring, MD 20908 http://www.overthrow.com (check out our messageboards -- discuss this story on-line!) (Formerly http://www.libertariansocialist.com)
Re: [CTRL] New breeds of Trojan terrorist ?.....
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 9/22/01 6:21:00 AM Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: According to the news reports, this guy has never been in trouble with the law, including for domestic disputes; the mother is at a loss for why her son suddenly 'went crazy'...according to the police, if this had happened BEFORE 9/11 this guy would have spent the night in jail and then released with a date to appear in court, and nothing more would have been thought about it. But due to the increased awareness of possible terrorist cells, the FBI has been brought in and this guy is being held on $500,000 bond... This sounds so much like the Sirhan Sirhan mystery. That's not true; the passenger with the last name of Beamer (whose wife attended Bush's speech the other night) called 911, and the flight attendent on the first plane that hit the WTC called her headquarters to report a hijacking in progress...they asked her to look out the window to report what she saw, because at that moment she wasn't sure where they were...she reported seeing water and buildings, and they realized that they were going to crash into NYC, exclaimed Oh my God! and the phone went dead It just occurred to me, with all the careful planning by the hijackers, how strange it was they didn't immediately strip all passengers of their cell phones. With this level of planning, it's almost inconceivable that they overlooked this - unless it suited the overall purpose that passengers would communicate with others. Samantha A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Fwd: Carla Binion Bush, the CIA and America's future
Carla Binion: Bush, the CIA and America's future below: = If the work of Online Journal is important to you, we need your financial help to deal with our ever increasing workload and to cover our growing expenses. We labor 12-16 hours a day for you, now we must ask you to spare a few dollars to help us. Become a Friend of Online Journal by donating whatever you can to further the cause. http://www.applyweb.com/public/contribute?oj = 09-22-01: Bush, the CIA and America's future By Carla Binion September 22, 2001-Who are the people leading us into war? Can we trust them, and should we ask questions of them? In the aftermath of the recent terrorist attacks, Fox Network's Bill O'Reilly and other TV talking heads say it's un-American to question George W. Bush's policies. However, corrupt politicians, CIA dirty tricks and wrongheaded foreign policy do not equate to America. When people question misguided policy, it's not the same as criticizing America. The working people of this country are America. The people who helped in the rescue efforts following the nation's recent tragedy are America. Our government leaders and their policies are not America, if and when they undermine our health and safety. In a September 19, 2001 letter to the Washington Post, Congressman John Conyers (D-MI) says, Historically, it has been at times of inflamed passion and national anger that our civil liberties proved to be at greatest risk . . . Unfortunately, our response in 1996 to the Oklahoma City bombing and now to the bombing of the World Trade Center and Pentagon does not portend well for today's discussions. Legislation that began in good faith as an effort to fine-tune our anti-terrorism laws turned into a legislative race to the bottom. Conyers adds, [The legislation] contained sweeping new limitations on habeas corpus for death-row and other inmates. The legislation also severely narrowed the ability of persons fleeing for their lives from dangerous regimes to seek asylum. I sat through the hearings on this legislation and did not hear a single shred of evidence that proved that a single terrorist act could be prevented by limiting the ability of persons convicted in state court to obtain relief from unconstitutional convictions or by denying immigrants their due process rights. We're lucky to have Representative Conyers scrutinize anti-terrorism laws. This country was created in part because the people questioned authority and dissented from corrupt government policies. Nothing could be more un-American than suppressing dissent against government corruption, and nothing could be more American than expressing it. Government is us (or America) only when it serves us well, and politicians are on our side only when they are not corrupt enough to try to profit from our losses. Government is meant to serve the people, not the other way around. This is fundamental to what America means. John Conyers is one political leader who seems to understand that. I might not agree with him on every issue, but I think he's an example of good leadership. If all our politicians were more like Conyers, we might have consistently good government. It's pro-America to work toward good government and criticize bad government. Here's an example of the very bad: If the American people knew all relevant facts, most of us would probably criticize our government's support of the U. S. Army School of Americas (SOA), located in Fort Benning, Georgia. The school has long trained terrorists. David McGowan, (Derailing Democracy, Common Courage Press, 2000) says Amnesty International reported in 1998 that SOA is only one of more than 150 centers in the U.S.A. and abroad where foreign officers are trained. A number of SOA 'alumni' have been implicated in gross human rights violations. According to McGowan, a May 22, 1998 Associated Press article, School of the Americas = School of the Assassins, says, Nineteen of the 26 military officers that critics cited in the murder of six Jesuit priests and two women in El Salvador eight years ago were graduates of the School of the Americas. The same article reports, . . . it was revealed recently that the school [SOA] used manuals that included references to executions, torture and other human rights abuses. The School of the Americas Watch web site reports the U. S. Army SOA trains Latin American soldiers in combat, counter-insurgency, and counter-narcotics. Graduates of the SOA are responsible for some of the worst human rights abuses in Latin America. According to the SOA Watch site, Among the SOA's nearly 60,000 graduates are notorious dictators Manuel Noriega and Omar Torrijos of Panama, Leopoldo Galtiere and Roberto Viola of Argentina, Juan Velasco Alvarado of Peru and many others. In addition, the site reports that lower-level SOA
Re: [CTRL] check these out on bin Laden/Kashmir connection
-Caveat Lector- Can you summarize the significance of this connection for the uninitiated, like me? It would help me understand what I'm reading. Thanks if you can help. Samantha In a message dated 9/21/01 5:32:45 PM Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: http://www.public-i.org/excerpts_01_091301.htm http://www.saag.org/papers3/paper266.html http://www.expressindia.com/fullstory.php?newsid=2612 http://www.jammu-kashmir.com/archives/archives98/98october04a.html http://www.indian-express.com/ie/daily/2223/iin23032.html http://www.dalitstan.org/mughalstan/laden/targetin.html http://www.subcontinent.com/sapra/terrorism/tr_1998_12_001_s.html http://www.terrorism.com/_trcctforum5/042d.htm http://www.rediff.com/us/2001/sep/21pm.htm and this started as a gut feeling!!! A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] The Hunters become the Hunted?
-Caveat Lector- Just came out on the news that a USA Spy plane has been gunned down - no pilot, under a control. So it was gunned down but now, though it appears this was simply dreadful - we know where the enemy is for they will have location (I Hope).from where to start the mini war. So the Hunt begins and the Hunter becomes the hunted. Wonder if it was an older play with up to date equipment but whoever shot that down, made a mistake. At least this is what I hope. Saba A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Beware of the Lowly Scorpions
Interesting item on the astrology angle. Secrets in Daniel - the three Presidents and three High Priests...for in the King James Bible, is three Presidents rather than three High Priestssignifies the USA President and the Pope - the usual targets and the usual suspects. So the Hunt begins...as it was reported a spider lays 1000 eggs - Pravda made this statement I believe (it was the phoney astrologer soothsayer Jean Dixon who said Russia Would Beat Us to the Moon and marked our President and the Kennedy brothers for murder.) So 1000 eggs laid by spider; today I noted in my rose garden spiders all over the place more than ever. Must be going to get colder early; however Osama put it this way You kill me, you will have 100 Osamas taking my place. So call the Orkin man..we got a problem.Little desert scorpions however, revealed their location with this last sting. Saba Interesting item here on story of the Scorpion.sting of death. http://www.theskyguide.com/observing/c-scorpio.html
[CTRL] What do they do - just pick Arab names from flight list?
Item on one of the alleged planners of the World Trade Center collapse - note, on September 20 this man, an architect, is reported alive and well and presumably still an architect. Cui bono? Saba http://www.construction.com/frameset.jsp?p=http://www.archrecord.com/NEWS/ARTICLES/wtc091801.asppid=7.1
[CTRL] Deception for $$$
-Caveat Lector- }}}Begin This is a WorldNetDaily printer-friendly version of the article which follows. To view this item online, visit http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?24623 Saturday, September 22, 2001 Deception for dollars By James Sanders Jack Cashill © 2001 WorldNetDaily.com On September 20, The Boston Globe broke the story of how the so- called Gore Commission failed conspicuously to address airline safety. The Globe claims this failure represents the clearest recent public example of the success that airlines have long had in defeating calls for more oversight. The Globe traces that failure to a series of campaign donations from the airlines to the Democratic National Committee in 1996, in the wake of the crash of TWA Flight 800. Although on the right track, The Globe has gotten only half the story. The complete story is much more chilling. Yes, the Clinton- Gore team did abandon security planning for sake of campaign cash. But worse, the White House deliberately concealed the real cause of the crash in no small part to justify that abandonment. From the very beginning, the Clinton administration knew that the airliner did not explode due to mechanical failure. George Stephanopoulos acknowledged as much on ABC in the wake of the recent World Trade Center attack. In my time at the White House, he said off-handedly, (the situation room) was used in the aftermath of the Oklahoma City bombing, in the aftermath of the TWA Flight 800 bombing, and that would be the way they would stay in contact through the afternoon. This revelation was reported on WND by Reed Irvine recently. Likewise forgetting himself, Senator John Kerry, on Larry King Live on September 11, 2001, suggested that TWA Flight 800 was brought down by a terrorist act. These were not mistakes. As we have reported elsewhere, the White House realized from the beginning that the plane had been shot down. So unnerved was the White House by the potential political consequences of this scenar io that it singled out missile as the one explanation for the crash that could not be pursued, even discussed. Almost immediately, its operatives channeled the investigation into a false dialectic between bomb and mech anical failure. In the days to come, no government representative would openly volunteer information about a missile. There would be no public discussion of the troubling radar data sent to the White House, no mention of the 96 eyewitne sses who saw an object streak off the horizon towards TWA 800, no reference to the National Guard helicopter pilots who stared the missile attack in its face or the senior Navy NCO who watched it from above on US Air 217. On July 25th of that year, feigning an open mind, President Clinton announced the formation of a commission to deal with the perceived attack on that doomed airplane. It would be called The White House Commission on Avia tion Safety and Security and was officially established by Executive Order on August 22. Chairing the commission was to be Vice President Al Gore. On August 14, 1996, President Clinton invited Victoria Cummock, the widow of a Pan Am Flight 103 victim and an airline-safety advocate, to join the Commission. In inviting her, the president assured Cummock that he wante d to develop tough new counter-terrorism measures. With the timing of this invitation, however, he may well have hoped to offset the bombshell announcement in that morning's New York Times. Now that investigators say they think the center fuel tank did not explode, wrote The Times on August 14th, they say the only good explanations remaining are that a bomb or a missile brought down the plane off Long Isl and. That same day, The Times reported that analyses of the debris field, the center wing tank and explosive residue on the plane combined to deal a serious blow to the already remote possibility that a mechanical accident ca used the crash. Given the perceived seriousness of the threat that August, Clinton also appointed to the Commission former CIA Director John M. Deutch, Department of Transportation Secretary Federico F. Peña, retired Air Force General Jo hn Michael Loh, and others with experience in aviation safety and security matters. The full Commission held its first executive session on September 5, 1996, and on September 9, the Commission submitted its tough preliminary report to the president, advancing 20 recommendations to strengthen aviation se curity. At a press conference that day, Vice President Gore declared his strong support for these proposals. But this support did not last for long. Within 10 days, the whole (airline) industry jumped all over Al Gore, Mrs. Cummock would claim. As The Globe correctly reports, this pressure took the form of an intense lobbying campaign aimed at the White House. On September 19, Gore backed off the proposal in a letter to Carol Hallett, president of the industry's trade group, the Air
[CTRL] U.S. Israel Stand Alone
http://www.haaretzdaily.com/hasen/pages/ShArt.jhtml?itemNo=76377contrassID=1sb%20SubContrassID=0 Israel, U.S. only countries where majority backs military strike By Ha'aretz Service and Reuters A poll in more than 30 countries showed that although the majority of international public opinion opposes a massive U.S. military strike in retaliatation for last week's terror attacks in Washington and New York, in Israel and the United States the majority favors a military response against states shown to harbor terrorists. People questioned elsewhere preferred to see suspected terrorists extradited and put on trial. "Seventy-seven percent of Israelis backed military action, while 54 percent of Americans were in favor," said Swiss polling firm Isopublic, which conducted the survey in Switzerland. "Around 80 percent of Europeans and around 90 percent of South Americans favor extradition and a court verdict. By European comparison, calls for a tough military response were above average among the French [29 percent] and the Dutch [28 percent]," it said. The surveys were done between September 17 and 19, around one week after the September 11 suicide attacks on the World Trade Center in New York and the Pentagon in Washington killed more than 6,000 people. Clear majorities of between 70 and 80 percent supported limiting any strike to military rather than civilian targets, the survey found. Asked if their own country should support a U.S. military asssault, people in NATO countries other than Greece tended to agree. Four out of five Danes backed the idea, followed by 79 percent in Britain and 73 percent in France. Greeks were the least enthusiastic with only 29 percent, below 53 percent in Germany and 58 percent in Norway and Spain. The survey was carried out in Argentina, Austria, Bosnia, Britain, Bulgaria, Croatia, Denmark, Ecuador, Estonia, Finland, France, Germany, Greece, Israel, Italy, Latvia, Lithuania, Luxembourg, Mexico, the Netherlands, Norway, Pakistan, Peru, Portugal, Romania, South Africa, South Korea, Spain, Switzerland, the United States and Zimbabwe.
[CTRL] Mossad Link To 1st WTC Bombing Raises Eyebrows
http://www.americanfreepress.net/09_16_01/Mossad_Link_to_First_WTC_Bombi/mossad_link_to_first_wtc_bombi.html Mossad Link to First WTC Bombing Raises Eyebrows Eight years ago a prescient article appeared in The Village Voice, which bears noting in the aftermath of the terror of Sept. 11. Exclusive To American Free Press By Michael Collins Piper Here are the facts about the Mossad connection to the first attack on the World Trade Center (WTC) revealed by investigative reporter Robert I. Friedman in the Aug. 3, 1993 article in The Village Voice, an independent left-wing New York weekly that has occasionally dared to raise criticisms of Israel. Friedman reported that Ahmad Ajaj, a 27-year-old West Bank Palestinian held in federal custody for conspiring to bomb the World Trade Center, may have been a Mossad mole, according to Israeli intelligence sources. Ajaj was arrested at Kennedy Airport on Sept. 1, 1992, after he arrived on a Pakistani International flight from Peshawar carrying a forged Swedish passport and bomb-making manuals. He was taken into custody, and subsequently pleaded guilty to entering the country illegally. Ajaj's traveling companion was Ramzi Ahmed Yousef, an Iraqi who law enforcement sources say is a "key player" in the World Trade Center bombing. Although the FBI identified Ajaj as a senior intifada terrorist, with links to Hamas, the Palestinian Islamic fundamentalist organization, Kol Ha'ir, a respected Hebrew-language weekly published in Jerusalem, said Ajaj was never involved in intifada activities or with Hamas or even the Palestine Liberation Organization. Instead, according to Kol Ha'ir, Ajaj was actually a petty crook arrested in 1988 for counterfeiting U.S. dollars out of East Jerusalem. Ajaj was convicted of counterfeiting and then sentenced to two-and-a-half years in prison. According to Friedman, writing in The Village Voice: "It was during his prison stay that Mossad, Israel's CIA, apparently recruited him, say Israeli intelligence sources. By the time he was released after having served just one year, he had seemingly undergone a radical transformation." Friedman reports that Ajaj had suddenly become a devout Muslim and an outspoken hard-line nationalist. Then, Ajaj was arrested for smuggling weapons into the West Bank, supposedly for El Fatah, a subdivision of the PLO. But Friedman's sources in Israeli intelligence say that the arrest and Ajaj's subsequent deportation were "staged by Mossad to establish his credentials as an intifada activist. Mossad allegedly 'tasked' Ajaj to infiltrate radical Palestinian groups operating outside Israel and to report back to Tel Aviv. Israeli intelligence sources say that it is not unusual for Mossad to recruit from the ranks of common criminals." After Ajaj's "deportation" from Israel, he showed up in Pakistan where he turned up in the company of the anti-Soviet mujahedin rebels in Afghanistan. This in itself could point further toward Ajaj working for the Mossad, for according to Covert Action Information Bulletin (September 1987) the funding and supply lines for the mujahedin was not only the "the second largest covert operation" in the CIA's history, but it was also, according to former Mossad operative Victor Ostrovsky (writing in The Other Side of Deception) under the direct supervision of the Mossad. After Ajaj's ventures with the mujahedin, he popped up in New York and purported to befriend members of a small so-called "radical" clique surrounding Sheikh Abdel-Rahman who was accused of being the mastermind of the World Trade Center bombing. On Feb. 26, 1993, the day of the first World Trade center bombing, Ajaj was "safe" in federal prison serving a six-month sentence for entering the country on a forged passport. Later, he was indicted for conspiracy in the WTC bombing. Said Robert Friedman: If Ajaj was recruited by Mossad, it is not known whether he continued to work for the Israeli spy agency after he was deported. One possibility, of course, is that upon leaving Israel and meeting radical Muslims close to the blind Egyptian sheikh, his loyalties shifted. Friedman reports a second frightening possibility: Another scenario is that he had advance know ledge of the World Trade Center bombing, which he shared with Mossad, and that Mossad, for whatever reason, kept the secret to itself. If true, U.S. intelligence sources speculate that Mossad might have decided to keep the information closely guarded so as not to compromise its undercover agent. Friedman broke amazing ground with these revelations that were ignored by the mainstream press. H
[CTRL] Zionists Turn Against U.N.
http://www.overthrow.com/lsn/news.asp?fileName=lsn20010921141326.html Zionists Turn Against UN NY Post Editorial Demands US Withdrawal 9/21/01 2:13:26 PM LSN Staff New York, NY -- American Zionists are turning against the United Nations. Sine the UN condemned Israel as a racist state, and since much of the rest of the world is refusing to support the US neo-conservative position that the US much launch, on behalf of Judaism, a "holy war" or "crusade" (Crusade is English for "holy war" and is roughly equivalent to the term "jihad") against Islam, the conservative Zionist press in this country is beginning to demand a US withdrawal from the UN. For years, the UN served as the cornerstone of an internationalist-globalist scheme, in which Zionism plays a key role, of a "New World Order", in which international boundaries would blur and the globe would come under the control of one united financial elite. But with the contradictions of capitalism reaching a frenzied peak, the domination of the "have-nots" in the pseudo-democratic body threatens the legitimacy of the financial class' and the Zionist's order -- and so the financial classes and the Zionists are seeking to de-legitimize the UN. These internal contradiction within Zionism, which have also been highlighted by LA Times and Washington Post articles attacking Ariel Sharon, in an attempt to reign in the rogue Israeli state and have it show the Bush administration that it is not a liability, are beginning to rend the New Order, and the false reality, that the united financial democratic media have spent the past five or more decades creating. "IT'S time for the United Nations to get the hell out of town. And take with it CNN war slut Christiane Amanpour," wrote New York Post columnist, and Zionist, Andrea Peysner, today, "The once-shiny beacon of peace has devolved into a cancer, where all manner of anti-American lunacy is hatched." Later in the piece, the NY Post columnist reveals it is not "anti-American" but "anti-Israeli" "lunacy" that enrages her, quoting Armanpour as saying, "hatefully" that "... the United States' close alliance with Israel, ... is a key reason for the anti-Americanism on the rise in the Middle East", and then reminding Armanpour that she has "Jewish in-laws." Though Zionism is not the total ideology of the ruling class, and it is not the ideology of the total Jewish community (the NY Post is owned, for instance, by an Australian Zionist, the same man who owns FOX News), it has become a dominant ideology among the various factions that come together to form the ruling class, and has been manifested by the theft of $5 billion dollars each year in tax revenue for the purpose of "military and economic aid" to Israel.
Re: [CTRL] New breeds of Trojan terrorist ?.....
-Caveat Lector- I think its spreads the terror, which is the point of terrorism. They didn't see that the cell phones would make a difference, and for the most part, they didn't. -- -- -- -- - -- - -- -- - - - - -- --- -- - - - - -- - - - -- -- - -- - The police aren't here to create disorder, they are here to preserve disorder. Mayor Richard Daley NEURONAUTIC INSTITUTE on-line: http://home.earthlink.net/~thew From: Samantha L. [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Conspiracy Theory Research List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Sat, 22 Sep 2001 11:58:38 EDT To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [CTRL] New breeds of Trojan terrorist ?. It just occurred to me, with all the careful planning by the hijackers, how strange it was they didn't immediately strip all passengers of their cell phones. With this level of planning, it's almost inconceivable that they overlooked this - unless it suited the overall purpose that passengers would communicate with others. A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] OT: Poem: One
-Caveat Lector- One As the soot and dirt and ash rained down, We became one color. As we carried each other down the stairs of the burning building, We became one class. As we lit candles of waiting and hope, We became one generation. As the firefighters and police officers fought their way into the inferno, We became one gender. As we fell to our knees in prayer for strength, We became one faith. As we whispered or shouted words of encouragement, We spoke one language. As we gave our blood in lines a mile long, We became one body. As we mourned together the great loss, We became one family. As we cried tears of grief and loss, We became one soul. As we retell with pride of the sacrifice of heroes, We become one people. We are One color One class One generation One gender One faith One language One body One family One soul One people author unknown -- Your children are taken from you by force, sent to a school of which you may or may not approve, to study subjects you don't have to like, under teachers that you didn't hire, and probably can't fire; and the whole system is paid for by money extorted from you at the point of a gun. Given that arrangement as the structural foundation of something as important as education, we should be surprised by the kids that DO survive public schooling, rather than the relatively few who don't. - Ayn Rand on public schools ICQ: 9815080 Operator Taliesin_2 of #SacredNemeton on IRC PaganPaths A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Students' Views Markedly Pro-Gay (fwd)
-Caveat Lector- [Note: The pro-gay report, conducted by Zogby International and co-released by MTV and Hamilton College in Clinton, N.Y., labels kids like Tim and Emily as 'the anti-gay minority' - which it calls 'highly religious Christians who regard homosexuality as a moral or religious question'. Well, I guess that includes me then. - Tony] September 19, 2001 Students' Views Markedly Pro-Gay By Stuart Shepard, correspondent http://www.family.org/cforum/fnif/news/A0017727.html The next generation of voters appears to hold strikingly pro-homosexual attitudes, and those views appear to be the result of the proliferation of the gay tolerance message. For most teen-agers, high school isn't just a place to learn a subject or play sports, but it's a venue for developing attitudes about life. For example, what do high school students think about homosexual marriage? If you ask Colorado Springs, Colo., high school seniors like Tim and Emily, they support Christian morality. Said Tim: I think it's wrong and immoral. Gay adoption? Emily responded: I don't think that two moms or two dads is going to be good for the kid. But views like those are becoming fewer all the time. Today, kids their age are generally quite accepting of pro-homosexual attitudes. I think because we've grown up with homosexuality, it doesn't seem quite as different to us, Tim said. A recent survey of 1,000 high school seniors across the nation shows two out of three, or 67 percent, favor same-sex marriage and gay adoption. Seven in 10 say gay men should lead Boy Scout troops. The pro-gay report, conducted by Zogby International and co-released by MTV and Hamilton College in Clinton, N.Y., labels kids like Tim and Emily as the anti-gay minority - which it calls highly religious Christians who regard homosexuality as a moral or religious question. Mike Haley, gender and youth analyst at Focus on the Family, finds the poll results frustrating. The gays have used a 'tolerance' message to push this through, rather than a truthful message, Haley said. And the problem is, we have kids that are tolerant of everything, but yet are standing for nothing in the area of truth. Haley said Christian families need to do some outreach of their own. We may think that we take our children to church on Wednesdays or on Sundays and that our kids don't need to know (about homosexuality), but it's our kids' friends that we need to begin to reach, Haley said. Without it, Haley said the culture shift will be complete in just a few years. [Forwarded For Information Purposes Only - Not Necessarily Endorsed By The Sender - A.K. Pritchard] -- A.K. Pritchard The Republican Web pages and email list And to the Repbulic for which it stands http://members.ll.net/chiliast/ God, Guns, Government History http://members.ll.net/chiliast/GGGH/index2.html Republic USA http://www.republicusa.org/ To subscribe to The Republican email list - just ask! [EMAIL PROTECTED] Our laws and our institutions must necessarily be based upon and embody the teachings of the Redeemer of mankind. It is impossible that it should be otherwise; and in this sense and to this extent our civilization and our institutions are emphatically Christian ... this is a religious people. This is historically true. From the discovery of this continent to the present hour, there is a single voice making this affirmation ... we find everywhere a clear definition of the same truth ... this is a Christian nation. (Church of the Holy Trinity vs. United States, 143 US 457, 36 L ed 226, Justice Brewer) A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Public relations coup for Israel (fwd)
-Caveat Lector- Assalamu'alaikum, In the Name of God, the Most Compassionate, the Most Merciful American Muslims for Jerusalem 208 G Street, NE, Suite 100 Washington, DC 20002 Tel: (202) 548-4200 Fax: (202) 548-4201 E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Website: www.amjerusalem.org Israeli academic calls attack public relations coup for Israel (Washington, DC, 9/21/01) â Benjamin Netanyahuâs testimony before Congress yesterday is a shameless attempt to capitalize on the attack on America. Even more shameless is the claim of Hebrew Universityâs Ehud Sprinzak that the attack on America is âthe most important public relations act ever committed in our favor.â âMany of us feel vindicated by this,â he said. Since September 11th, Israeli commentators and politicians have been quick to offer America a smug ânow you know how we feel.â That came, of course, with an immediate escalation of attacks on Palestinians and incursions into Palestinian lands. An Israeli army source reported that the two days immediately following the attack constituted the âlargest number of simultaneous operations since the uprising started.â While America busies itself forming an international coalition, President Bush has made it clear that this is no time for equivocation. This is not a time for narrow agendas â like that of Netanyahu and his host Congressman Tom Lantos â to be pushed in the halls of Congress. It is certainly not a time for Israelis to feel âvindicated.â America has long believed in the enduring friendship between America and Israel. Americans have long paid for that friendship with 5 billion of their tax dollars a year. âThe myth of Israel as a strategic asset is once again exposed,â said AMJ Executive Director Khalid Turaani. âThe only way Israel can be anything but a very expensive strategic liability is for it to stay out of the way.â Over the past year, Israeli aggression against Palestinians has strained American relations with the Muslim and Arab worlds. Israel has used American weapons to bomb residential areas, assassinate political officials and kill hundreds of Palestinian civilians. Americaâs efforts to build a broad coalition now will be weakened if it continues to acquiesce to ongoing Israeli occupation. -END- ININ List Archives Found Here: http://www.egroups.com/messages/inin TO SUBSCRIBE: To subscribe please e-mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the body type: subscribe inin-net TO UNSUBSCRIBE: To unsubscribe please e-mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the body type in: unsubscribe inin-net ISLAMIC NEWS AND INFORMATION NETWORK: HTTP://WWW.ININ.NET VISIT: HTTP://WWW.MEDIAMONITORS.NET WE AFFIRM THAT INJUSTICE ANYWHERE IS A THREAT TO JUSTICE EVERYWHERE DEFINING APARTHEID Article 2 of the International Convention of the Suppression and Punishment of the Crime of Apartheid of 1973 clearly defined the term crime of apartheid. This includes similar policies and practices of segregation and discrimination as practiced in South Africa and which also apply to inhuman acts committed for the purpose of the establishment and maintaining of domination by one racial group over another. This includes the deliberated imposition of living conditions calculated to cause physical destruction and any legislative or other measures preventing a racial group from full development of their political, social, economic and cultural life. This is an accurate description of what the zionists are doing to the Palestinian people with the full support of the USA. A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL
Re: [CTRL] Deception for $$$
-Caveat Lector- On 22 Sep 2001 at 13:26, Euphorian wrote: http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?24623 Saturday, September 22, 2001 Deception for dollars By James Sanders Jack Cashill © 2001 WorldNetDaily.com On September 20, The Boston Globe broke the story of how the so- called Gore Commission failed conspicuously to address airline safety. The Globe claims this failure represents the clearest recent public example of the success that airlines have long had in defeating calls for more oversight. The Globe traces that failure to a series of campaign donations from the airlines to the Democratic National Committee in 1996, in the wake of the crash of TWA Flight 800. Although on the right track, The Globe has gotten only half the story. The complete story is much more chilling. Yes, the Clinton- Gore team did abandon security planning for sake of campaign cash. But worse, the White House deliberately concealed the real cause of the crash in no small part to justify that abandonment. What measures could the airline industry possibly take to prevent a plane being shot down by a missile? -- Best wishes In times of tumult discord, bad men have the most power; mental and moral excellence require peace. ~~Tacitus A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] America's Enemies Rally (fwd)
-Caveat Lector- [[Note: Twisted history from twisted minds, these domestic enemies of all that remains that is good about this nation, all that is worth taking a stand to save, oppose themselves and make use of liberty to destroy liberty. They, with their shriveled and sour souls, are the very definition of what it means to be Anti-American, they are the living antithesis of what America was intended by our founders to be, what it once was and can be again. These are among the domestic enemies of this nation, and like all domestic enemies they must be revealed for what they are, diseased children infected with a hatred for their own nation, and a promoter of that which is corrupt. We who love America enough to take a stand against the evil that has infected it must stand opposed to these warped people. No, we as a nation have not always been correct in our foreign and domestic affairs, and we the people must demand accountability on the part of our leadership for wrongs committed, and of ourselves for allowing them by our apathy to be elected to office in the first place, and not demanding that they be held accountable for their wrong. However, we are not the evil oppressor nation that these folks claim us to be, yet. But we will be if true Americans do not take a stand against those who would subvert our national character, and to restore our nation once again to that which it was intended to be by those who founded it in liberty, and passed it on to our generation to guard. The purpose of this list is and always has been to expose and oppose all foreign and domestic enemies of liberty and freedom, in or out of government, including those who cannot differentiate between hating the evil that has infected the nation and hating the nation itself. - Tony] America's Enemies Rally at UNC-Chapel Hill By Michelle Oswell and Michael Burdei FrontPageMagazine.com | September 21, 2001 http://FrontPageMagazine.com/guestcolumnists/oswell09-21-01p.htm A CONGREGATION of faithful left-wing fundamentalists descended en masse at the University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill Monday night, to practice one of their most sacred rituals: spewing hatred for America. If I were the President I would first apologize to all the widows and orphans, the tortured and the impoverished, and all the millions of other victims of American imperialism. Then . . . I would announce that America's global interventions had come to an end, preached William Blum, author of Rogue State: A Guide to the World's Only Superpower. I would then reduce the military budget by at least 90 percent and I would use the savings to pay the reparations to our victims and to increase social services. . . Nod, nod, nod - clap, clap, clap responded the 700 faculty, students and community members in attendance. If one [of the perpetrators] is Osama bin Laden, send the international police for him and pick up Henry Kissinger and Augusto Pinochet on the way home, declared Catherine Lutz, professor of Anthropology. This recipe for national suicide received boisterous applause from the crowd, who continued to nod, smile, cough, clap... everything but actually think. But none of that mattered at the moment. The crowd obviously liked what they heard. The UNC Progressive Faculty Network sponsored this teach-in on September 17, titled Understanding the Attack on America: an Alternative View. It provided neither an understanding of the attack nor any surprising sentiments from the left: just the same, tired rhetoric that Campus Leftists have been spouting for years. The panelists stepped forward with one Anti-American libel after another, almost as if there were a competition among them to see who could hate our country the most. One crowd-pleaser was William Blum's jab at Cuban immigrants and America's relations with them. There are few if any nations in the world that have harbored more terrorists than the United States. And one example, the anti-Castro Cubans in Miami, have [performed] hundreds if not thousands of terrorist attacks in the U.S. and Cuba and elsewhere. All kinds of murders and bombings for decades, and they have been harbored here in safety for those decades. UNC Sociology professor Charlie Kurzman blamed recent events on a Military Industrial Complex. We're playing into the hands of our own militarists, whose interests always lie, I believe, in the exaggeration of threats, armed responses, and so on. In fact, I would argue that there is tacit collusion among the militarists of all sides. Also drawing applause was a diatribe against the perennial scapegoat, the white male of European descent by self-proclaimed Arab-American activist and person of color, Rania Masri. So it seems that simply looking Middle Eastern has become a crime. And this has further fueled the xenophobic sentiment that is taking hold of this country. And I say xenophobic because it's not simply Arab-Americans, Muslim-Americans, and Indian-Americans that are
[CTRL] Targetting Responsibility
-Caveat Lector- Via http://www.neravt.com/left/ From http://politics.guardian.co.uk/attacks/comment/0,1320,555463,00.html The CIA passed responsibility for backing mojahedin terrorism to the British - much of it coordinated by an MI6 officer in Islamabad. We have to recall that the Britlanders have a great deal of dislike for their failures in colonising this part of the world, that of Afghanland. Their enthusiasm for seeing a former adversary brought to ruin on the one hand and not allowing a different adversary to prevail on the other seems to be tailor-made. If we can't have it, no one can! attitude. I have two takes on Bush's comment to Blair in the Capitol this past Thursday. One, his thanking his friend was earnest and genuine for having someone who would stand with him. The other, second, is a veiled bit of sarcasm, realising that if the Britlanders had not been so intent on their colonialism and imperialism earlier on. much of what has happened in the past two weeks and what is going on today would never have happened. Notice that in the past week, Bush has had the heads of France and Britland as visitors. These two orchestrated the European view of not only what happened to Europe following WW One but what eventually evolved as the Middle East as we find it today. My comments to each of the two would include references to this. AER }}}Begin Blair has made Britain a target The prime minister's belligerence is dangerously irresponsible. We want an end to terrorism, not a new war Special report: terrorism in the US John Pilger Friday September 21, 2001 The Guardian The prime minister's we are at war statements are irresponsible in the extreme. It is said that some of his senior officials understand this, as do many MPs: thus the messages of restraint now being whispered to journalists. Tony Blair is endangering the people of this country as well as Britons abroad. His willingness to join Bush's crusade and use military force will neither avenge nor bring justice to nor honour the memory of the ordinary people who died so terribly in America last week because this will almost certainly lead to a gratuitous slaughter of more innocents in Afghanistan, Iraq or elsewhere. It also risks nurturing a new generation of suicidal killers. Two years ago, Denis Halliday, the assistant secretary general of the United Nations who resigned over the Anglo-American-imposed embargo of Iraq, told me: We are likely to see the emergence of those who may well regard Saddam Hussein as too moderate and too willing to listen to the west. Such is the desperation of people whose children are dying in their thousands and who are bombed almost every day by American and British planes. Blair's wanton disregard of this threat has been demonstrated in recent years. On a bogus pretext, he joined America's all-out assault on Iraq in 1998 and backed Clinton's missile attack on a pharmaceutical factory in Sudan. The following year, his moral crusade with Clinton against Yugoslavia killed hundreds of innocent civilians. This summer, the Israeli newspaper Ha'aretz reported the Bush and Blair governments had privately given Sharon a green light to invade Palestinian territories. With each of these actions, and now his bellicose declarations, Blair increases the risk of terrorist attack against British citizens. Blair's being shoulder to shoulder with Bush means allying this country to a willingness to kill large numbers of non-Americans in pursuit of uncertain immediate goals that has long been a feature of US policy. This list is long. Remember, if you can, the free fire zones, including the use of chemical weapons, that killed as many as 50,000 civilians every year in Vietnam; the bombing of Cambodia that killed 600,000 people; the unnecessary slaughter of tens of thousands of Iraqis during the 1991 Gulf war, the beginning of a silent holocaust that has since claimed half a million children, according to the UN. For Blair and Bush to say that war has been declared upon America is rich. During my lifetime, America has been constantly waging war against much of humanity: impoverished people mostly, in stricken places. Moreover, far from being the main perpetrators of terrorism, Islamic peoples have been its victims - more often than not of an American fundamentalism and its proxies. Blair is acting like a schoolboy who has never seen war and what cluster bombs do to human beings. He and the Queen shed tears for the victims in America; they have yet to shed tears for his - yes, his - victims in Iraq. Nor will St Paul's cathedral be reconvened to mourn the innocents who will die when he and Bush attack the shadows of Osama bin Laden. In these surreal days, there is one truth. Nothing justified the killing of innocent people in America last week and nothing justifies the killing of innocent people anywhere else. For the prime minister to behave responsibly, he would have to speak out with a very different voice. He could
[CTRL] Official Enemies Wanted
Note: forwarded message attached. = ~~~ http://www.mail-archive.com/ctrl@listserv.aol.com/ http://msnbc.com/news/190144.asp?cp1=1 http://www.washtimes.com/national/20010918-91529452.htm http://al-awda.org/ http://www.thisiscyberia.com/NewsCenter/article.asp?ID=196628 ~~~ __ Do You Yahoo!? Get email alerts NEW webcam video instant messaging with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com http://www.commondreams.org/views01/0918-07.htm The Need for Dissent Voices from Britain and the US highlight the risks of a hasty response by George Monbiot If Osama bin Laden did not exist, it would be necessary to invent him. For the past four years, his name has been invoked whenever a US president has sought to increase the defense budget or wriggle out of arms control treaties. He has been used to justify even President Bush's missile deface program, though neither he nor his associates are known to possess anything approaching ballistic missile technology. Now he has become the personification of evil required to launch a crusade for good: the face behind the faceless terror. The closer you look, the weaker the case against Bin Laden becomes. While the terrorists who inflicted Tuesday's dreadful wound may have been inspired by him, there is, as yet, no evidence that they were instructed by him. Bin Laden's presumed guilt appears to rest on the supposition that he is the sort of man who would have done it. But his culpability is irrelevant: his usefulness to western governments lies in his power to terrify. When billions of pounds of military spending are at stake, rogue states and terrorist warlords become assets precisely because they are liabilities. By using Bin Laden as an excuse for demanding new military spending, weapons manufacturers in America and Britain have enhanced his iconic status among the disgruntled. His influence, in other words, has been nurtured by the very industry which claims to possess the means of stamping him out. This is not the only way in which the new terrorism crisis has been exacerbated by corporate power. The lax airport security which enabled the hijackers to smuggle weapons on to the planes was, for example, the result of corporate lobbying against the stricter controls the government had proposed. Now Tuesday's horror is being used by corporations to establish the preconditions for an even deadlier brand of terror. This week, while the world's collective back is turned, Tony Blair intends to allow the mixed oxide plant at Sellafield to start operating. The decision would have been front-page news at any other time. Now it's likely to be all but invisible. The plant's operation, long demanded by the nuclear industry and resisted by almost everyone else, will lead to a massive proliferation of plutonium, and a high probability that some of it will find its way into the hands of terrorists. Like Ariel Sharon, in other words, Blair is using the reeling world's shock to pursue policies which would be unacceptable at any other time. For these reasons and many others, opposition has seldom been more necessary. But it has seldom been more vulnerable. The right is seizing the political space which has opened up where the twin towers of the World Trade Center once stood. Civil liberties are suddenly negotiable. The US seems prepared to lift its ban on extra-judicial executions carried out abroad by its own agents. The CIA might be permitted to employ human rights abusers once more, which will doubtless mean training and funding a whole new generation of Bin Ladens. The British government is considering the introduction of identity cards. Radical dissenters in Britain have already been identified as terrorists by the Terrorism Act 2000. Now we're likely to be treated as such. The authoritarianism which has long been lurking in advanced capitalism has started to surface. In these pages yesterday, William Shawcross - Rupert Murdoch's courteous biographer - articulated the new orthodoxy: America is, he maintained, a beacon of hope for the world's poor and dispossessed and for all those who believe in freedom of thought and deed. These believers would presumably include the families of the Iraqis killed by the sanctions Britain and the US have imposed; the peasants murdered by Bush's proxy war in Colombia; and the tens of millions living under despotic regimes in the Middle East, sustained and sponsored by the US. William Shawcross concluded by suggesting that we are all Americans now, an echo of Pinochet's maxim that we are all Chileans now: by which he meant that no cultural distinctions would be tolerated and no indigenous land rights recognized. Shawcross appeared to suggest that those who question American power are the enemies of democracy. It's a different way of formulating the warning voiced by members of the Bush
[CTRL] Fortunate Son; CIA's Tracks Lead in Disastrous Circle; Media Alliance; and other links
Note: forwarded message attached. __ Do You Yahoo!? Get email alerts NEW webcam video instant messaging with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com Common Dreams New Center Breaking News and Views for the Progressive Community http://www.commondreams.org/ == Fortunate Son: Second Edition J.H. Hatfield http://www.softskull.com/ --(Scroll down to the third featured title) == CIA's Tracks Lead in Disastrous Circle By Robert Scheer Published September 17, 2001 in the Los Angeles Times So, we've come full circle. The CIA, which originally helped train Osama bin Laden and many of the other terrorists who have turned against us, now will have its powers expanded to do more of the same. Of course, the CIA did not traffic with Islamic fanatics on its own initiative but was following a policy proclaimed by President Reagan of support for the valiant and courageous Afghan freedom fighters. There's something absurd in the sentiment of congressional leaders, who the New York Times reported Sunday have concluded that American spy agencies should be allowed to combat terrorism with more aggressive tactics, including the hiring of unsavory foreign agents. When did the CIA stop hiring unsavory agents? Like Bin Laden, the CIA recruited freedom fighters from throughout the Islamic world to overthrow the secular government in Kabul that was backed by the Soviets. Bin Laden was no minor recruit to the cause but, given his wealthy father's close ties to the Saudi royal family, was received by the Afghans and Pakistanis on the highest levels and embraced by them up to the days preceding the disastrous attack on the U.S. Bin Laden turned against the U.S. as a consequence of the Gulf War, when the Saudi leadership rejected his advice to rely on native fighters and instead turned over the country's defense to the U.S. military, which overwhelmed that underpopulated desert kingdom with the bravado of more than half a million troops. The much-proclaimed success of former President Bush's Gulf War, despite the enormous civilian collateral damage-a horror never acknowledged in this country-did not topple Saddam Hussein but left a bitter trail of anti-U.S. fervor. When Bin Laden returned to Afghanistan, he found many willing Muslim recruits. Like Bin Laden, those identified as the perpetrators of the recent debacle were raised in the bosom of indulgent Arab oil states that financed their education abroad, including years of flight school for at least one of the Saudi pilots who smashed into the World Trade Center. They're far more skilled than the terrorists of the past. But it's nonsense to suggest that the CIA has been hamstrung in going after Bin Laden, when President Clinton specifically empowered it to do so three years ago. As Bob Woodward and Vernon Loeb reported in the Washington Post last week : The CIA has been authorized since 1998 to use covert means to disrupt and preempt terrorist operations planned abroad by Saudi extremist Osama bin Laden under a directive signed by President Bill Clinton and reaffirmed by President Bush this year, according to government sources. Bin Laden's operation has been under constant surveillance; Clinton ordered the blasting of his training camps in response to a previous terrorist attack. If Bin Laden was responsible for this most recent attack, it represents nothing less than a startling failure of U.S. intelligence. Ironically, under our new president, U.S. policy even had tilted toward the view that we could work with the Taliban thugs who have harbored Bin Laden, as evidenced last May when U.S. drug enforcement officials visited the country and celebrated that regime's success in limiting opium production. Taliban's Ban on Poppy a Success, U.S. Aides Say was the New York Times headline, with glowing endorsements from U.S. officials. The story reported, The sudden turnaround by the Taliban, a move that left international drug experts stunned ... opens the way for American aid to the Afghan farmers who have stopped planting poppies. On [May 17], Secretary of State Colin L. Powell announced a $43-million grant to Afghanistan in additional emergency aid to cope with the effects of a prolonged drought. The United States has become the biggest donor to help Afghanistan in the drought. Powell issued a statement that the U.S. would continue to look for ways to provide more assistance to the Afghans. This is typical of the mixed signals we've been sending. Call it what you will, even humanitarian aid, and funnel it through the United Nations, but the effect is the same: to send to the Taliban a signal that its support of Bin Laden has been somehow acceptable. From the beginning, over the last 20 years, our entire Afghan policy has provided a reminder of the dangers of blowback, a phrase used to describe the turning of the
Re: [CTRL] OT: Poem: One
-Caveat Lector- Wonder if this is how the young man and his family felt as they watched their son and his dog burn to death in a fire - while a Sheriff claimed it went just as planned. Why is it I am still remembering this guy, who had done nothing to harm his neighborgs, but only wanted to be a friend. He mingled with his neighbors and made the remark he trained dogs for the FBI.he said he was with the Marshalls office - or was he, for the records were sealed. Well he was not one of us, was he. Saba A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Radio Sings Self-Censorship Tune
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 9/18/01 4:05:20 PM Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: They are rock classics, heard on radio stations across the country for more than two decades. But now they're on a list of about 150 songs that a group of radio programmers deemed too offensive to play on the airwaves in the wake of last week's terrorist attacks. I think this report is BS. The station I listen to most is a Clearchannel station, and I've heard them play Imagine not five minutes ago. -- Best wishes There are people who lie simply for the sake of lying. - Pascal A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] U.S. INTERVENTION
-Caveat Lector- http://www.cato.org/pubs/fpbriefs/fpb-050es.html Cato Foreign Policy Briefing No. 50 \ December 17, 1998 DOES U.S. INTERVENTION OVERSEAS BREED TERRORISM? The Historical Record by Ivan Eland Ivan Eland is director of defense policy studies at the Cato Institute. Executive Summary According to Secretary of State Madeleine Albright, terrorism is the most important threat the United States and the world face as the 21st century begins. High-level U.S. officials have acknowledged that terrorists are now more likely to be able to obtain and use nuclear, chemical, and biological weapons than ever before. Yet most attention has been focused on combating terrorism by deterring and disrupting it beforehand and retaliating against it after the fact. Less attention has been paid to what motivates terrorists to launch attacks. According to the Pentagon's Defense Science Board, a strong correlation exists between U.S. involvement in international situations and an increase in terrorist attacks against the United States. President Clinton has also acknowledged that link. The board, however, has provided no empirical data to support its conclusion. This paper fills that gap by citing many examples of terrorist attacks on the United States in retaliation for U.S. intervention overseas. The numerous incidents cataloged suggest that the United States could reduce the chances of such devastating-- and potentially catastrophic--terrorist attacks by adopting a policy of military restraint overseas. Text of Foreign Policy Brief No. 50 (PDF, 24 pgs, 93k) http://www.cato.org/pubs/fpbriefs/fpb50.pdf ~~~ Forwarded as information only; no endorsement to be presumed + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + In accordance with Title 17 U.S.C. section 107, this material is distributed without charge or profit to those who have expressed a prior interest in receiving this type of information for non-profit research and educational purposes only. + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + The only real voyage of discovery consists not in seeking new landscapes but in having new eyes. -Marcel Proust + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + Do not believe in anything simply because you have heard it. Do not believe simply because it has been handed down for many generations. Do not believe in anything simply because it is spoken and rumored by many. Do not believe in anything simply because it is written in Holy Scriptures. Do not believe in anything merely on the authority of Teachers, elders or wise men. Believe only after careful observation and analysis, when you find that it agrees with reason and is conducive to the good and benefit of one and all. Then accept it and live up to it. The Buddha on Belief, from the Kalama Sutta + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + A merely fallen enemy may rise again, but the reconciled one is truly vanquished. -Johann Christoph Schiller, German Writer (1759-1805) + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + It is preoccupation with possessions, more than anything else, that prevents us from living freely and nobly. -Bertrand Russell + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + Everyone has the right...to seek, receive and impart information and ideas through any media and regardless of frontiers. Universal Declaration of Human Rights + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + Always do sober what you said you'd do drunk. That will teach you to keep your mouth shut. --- Ernest Hemingway A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] bible codes
-Caveat Lector- --- Tony Dickinson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -Caveat Lector- CTRLers, I don't buy the bible code stuff or similar as contributing to any explanatory efforts 'after the event' (and where were the psychic's published predictions psychological warfare: americans will be in considerably greater terror if they believe that their woes are ordained...americans will be less gung ho... bible codes - not something for the papacy but defenitely something for those whose bents are alchemical, hermetic... __ Do You Yahoo!? Get email alerts NEW webcam video instant messaging with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Protecting the Homeland / Bill Cohen
-Caveat Lector- @ http://www.cato.org/pubs/pas/pa-306es.html Cato Policy Analysis No. 306 May 5, 1998 Protecting the Homeland: The Best Defense Is to Give No Offense by Ivan Eland Ivan Eland is director of defense policy studies at the Cato Institute. Executive Summary Recently, several government reports have emphasized the need for increased attention to the defense of the American homeland. The proliferation of technology for creating weapons of mass terror and conducting chemical, biological, nuclear, and information warfare has reawakened interest in protecting the homeland. A study completed for the U.S. Department of Defense notes that historical data show a strong correlation between U.S. involvement in international situations and terrorist attacks against the United States. Attacks by terrorist groups could now be catastrophic for the American homeland. Terrorists can obtain the technology for weapons of mass terror and will have fewer qualms about using them to cause massive casualties. The assistant secretary of defense for reserve affairs maintains that such catastrophic attacks are almost certain to occur. It will be extremely difficult to deter, prevent, detect, or mitigate them. As a result, even the weakest terrorist group can cause massive destruction in the homeland of a superpower. Although the Cold War ended nearly a decade ago, U.S. foreign policy has remained on autopilot. The United States continues to intervene militarily in conflicts all over the globe that are irrelevant to American vital interests. To satisfy what should be the first priority of any security policy--protecting the homeland and its people--the United States should adopt a policy of military restraint. That policy entails intervening only as a last resort when truly vital interests are at stake. To paraphrase Anthony Zinni, the commander of U.S. forces in the Middle East, the United States should avoid making enemies but should not be kind to those that arise. View full text of Policy Analysis no. 306 (145k HTML File) http://www.cato.org/pubs/pas/pa-306.html (128k PDF File) http://www.cato.org/pubs/pas/pa-306.pdf http://www.cato.org/dailys/9-2-98.html Today's Commentary September 2, 1998 Terrorism: Cohen's Terrifying Trade-Off by Ivan Eland Ivan Eland is the director of defense policy studies at the Cato Institute. In a little-noticed appearance before the Los Angeles World Affairs Council in late June, Secretary of Defense William Cohen did some thinking out loud about trading off civil liberties in the fight against terrorists armed with biological weapons. His thoughts are unsettling, to say the least. He suggested that the American public would be inclined to accept more intrusive domestic spying and diminished civil liberties in order to allow government to gain more intelligence on potential terrorist activities. If this is a prelude to a policy shift by the administration, it's crucial that everyone understand how seriously it would undermine the American way of life in the name of providing dubious protection from external threats. Increased domestic snooping would be both misguided and harmful. Increased domestic spying is unlikely to afford much added protection against terrorists armed with weapons of mass destruction, or WMD (nuclear, biological and chemical weapons). The Defense Science Board admitted that preventing biological attacks is more challenging (because of the difficulty of gaining intelligence about the production, transportation and delivery of such agents) than is mitigating the effects after the attack has occurred (which is also difficult). Terrorist groups are hard to penetrate -- even by the best intelligence agents and undercover law enforcement officials -- because they are small and often comprised of committed zealots. At the same time, law enforcement agencies and other organizations have the tendency to stretch and abuse any increased powers of investigation. For example, the FBI spied on and harassed Martin Luther King and the civil rights movement. The Army conducted surveillance on Americans at home during the Vietnam War. The law enforcement community might use the threat of terrorist attacks with WMD as an excuse to expand its power of investigation far beyond appropriate levels. In his remarks, Secretary Cohen implied that civil liberties should be undermined sooner rather than later. He suggested that waiting to curtail civil liberties until after experiencing the emotional effects of a catastrophic terrorist attack might be unwise. He seemed to assume that reducing liberties now will preclude a greater constriction of them after an attack. Although the threat of an attack is real, it may or may not occur. A preemptive surrender of civil liberties is, therefore, most ill-advised. Undermining civil liberties through increased surveillance is not the best way to deal with an attack and would not preclude
[CTRL] Palmach - and Orde Winston a guerrilla trainer..
What is this Gideon Force, which was used by Orde Winston who took his Bible to battle opened to the story of Gideon - the bibles' first mercenary of importance? The Gideon Bible Calendar I have is linked to lot of different things - but I am beginning to believe the people who engineered the World Trade Center and a few other important passages in History - have followed this Gideon Force...hit and run, and have surely been trained by English and American intelligensia. Interesting items - inasmuch as Timothy McVeigh was a hit and run guerrilla, and left us messages in a Gideon Bible - thought I would send the two stories for I believe we have not seen the hidden face' and hidden hand' behind the World Trade Center. The Palmach The elite striking force of the Haganah. Established by the Haganah's national command on May 19, 1941, the Palmach consisted of nine assault companies: three in the northern Galilee, two in central Galilee, two in southern Galilee, and one in Jerusalem. ** The Palmach launched pre-emptive strikes into Syrian and Lebanese territory, frequently sending members fluent in Arabic in Arab dress into Syria and Lebanon to sabotage and scout targets. ** The Palmach grew to 12 companies. Palmach leaders included Yigal Allon, Moshe Dayan, Yitzhak Rabin, Haim Bar-Lev, Uzi Narkiss and Ezer Weizman. STORY of Orde Wingate - who tried to murder himself.so it is written: Major-General Orde Wingate Orde Wingate was born in India in 1903, and was fourth-generation military. His father, maternal grandfather and great-grandfather all having served in the British or Indian service. He attended Charterhouse as a day student, and at the age of eighteen, entered the Royal military Academy at Woolwich. His cadet career was undistinguished as he was bored by team sports and the structured curriculum. He was commissioned into the Royal Artillery into the Royal Artillery in 1923. In 1929 he went on an Arabic language course sponsored by the War Office, and followed this with a tour as Company Commander of the Sudan Defence Force. He also gained a First-Class interpretership in Arabic. In February 1932 he joined a Royal Geographic Society camel expedition to find 'lost oasis' of Zerzura in the Libyan Desert. In January 1935 he returned to England and Married Lorna Paterson. The following December he became Adjutant to the 71st Field (Artillery) Brigade, Territorial Army, Sheffield. He also passed the examination for the Staff College but failed to gain admittance. 1936 saw Wingate joined British Forces in Palestine. Here he organized Special night Squads, and was awarded the DSO and was mentioned in despatches for his work. The Special night Squads became successful to the point where they turned back the tide of the Arab revolt in Palestine. On Leave in London, he submitted a paper on unconventional operations to Basil Liddell Hart, the military theorist and defense correspondent of The Times, who in turn passed it on to Winston Churchill. Wingates' first meeting with Churchill followed in late 1938, and Churchill would come to believe Wingate to be a new 'Lawrence of Arabia'. Wingate was appointed in Appointed military Advisor and leader of guerrilla campaign in Ethiopia in November 1940. The Ethiopian campaign began in January 1941 and Wingate employed the Gideon force. The Germans did not actively pursue Special forces operations after a few units were tried out in Europe but not expanded, instead concentrating on their Blitzkrieg approach, but the British effort was far larger than the German and of a fundamentally different character. It commenced in June 1940 on a two-prong basis. One prong was in Britain and centered around the seaborne light infantry raiding forces called the Commandos. The other was in Egypt, where forces able to penetrate and exploit the desert were formed. The creation of these units drew on the promising junior officers and soldiers from the regular armed services and generated animosity from the conventional services. Wingate was recalled to Egypt by Wavell, to assist in the creation of the Middle East special operations forces. Wingates special-operations forces were created alongside the Long Range Desert group conceived by desert-explorer Bagnold. The British fostered irregular forces in Sudan were used to good effect in conjunction with the Allied conventional forces against the Italian forces in Ethiopia. His campaign commenced in January 1941, and improved dramatically as the north African campaign sent the Italians reeling. Wingates' single greatest success was when he employed his Gideon Force to baffle and disrupt the enemy garrisons blocking the road to Addis Ababa. The Gideon force held down more enemy troops in their hunt for the guerrillas than the British Army actually had to fight. By May 1941 the eats African campaign was largely concluded and only mopping up remained. Once back in Cairo, Wingate lost
[CTRL] WTC
-Caveat Lector- http://cryptome.org/wtc-collapse.htm http://cryptome.org/wtc-collapse-rc.htm http://cryptome.org/dod091501.htm http://cryptome.org/sec-news.htm http://cryptome.org/wtc-non-us.htm __ Do You Yahoo!? Get email alerts NEW webcam video instant messaging with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] (no subject)
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[CTRL] DFLP denies attacks in US
Note: forwarded message attached. __ Do You Yahoo!? Get email alerts NEW webcam video instant messaging with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- FREE COLLEGE MONEY CLICK HERE to search 600,000 scholarships! http://us.click.yahoo.com/47cccB/4m7CAA/ySSFAA/7gSolB/TM -~- -- PFLP, DFLP say they have nothing to do with attacks in US DAMASCUS, Sept 11 (AFP) - Two radical Palestinian groups based in Syria denied any connection with a series of apparent terrorist attacks in the United States Tuesday. Maher Taher, a spokesman for the Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine (PFLP), said his group has nothing to do with these explosions. Ali Badwan, an official of the Democratic Front for the Liberation of Palestine (DFLP), also denied any connection with the attacks. We are opposed to all acts of violence outside the occupied Palestinian territories, Badwan said. On August 27, following the assassination of PFLP chief Abu Ali Mustafa in an Israeli missile attack on the West Bank, Taher had called on Arabs to strike American interests. However, following a meeting with Syrian Vice President Abdel Halim Khaddam two days later, Taher toned down his call, saying it applied only to American economic interests. By American interests, you must understand, this means economic interests, Maher Taher told AFP at the time. We ask the Arab world to hit American interests because the United States participates (with Israel) in the extermination of the Palestinian people, Taher said, referring to the Palestinian uprising against Israel. The day before, the United States had called on Syrian authorities to rein in the PFLP after Taher's comments. Despite Taher's softened statement, a member of the PFLP excecutive committee, Abu Ali Talal, reiterated on August 30 threats against both US and Israeli interests throughout the world. Our response will be hard and will hit American and Israeli interests wherever they are, Talal said. -- [The Jerusalem Post] (16:45) BBC: Palestinian group says responsible for WTC attack By Miriam Shaviv September, 11 2001 The Democratic Front for the Liberation of Palestine has claimed responsibility for the attacks on the World Trade Center, according to the BBC and Abu Dhabi television. However, DFLP sources have denied any involvement. To read more about the group, click here. It is unclear who is responsible for today's apparent terrorist attack on the World Trade Center in New York, but it is unlikely that Palestinian groups are involved, said an expert on international terrorism. They have a lot to lose because America would react very harshly against the Palestinians, however it is not impossible that a radical group was involved, said Eli Carmon, of the Herzliya Interdisciplinary Center's counter-terrorism department. Two jets, one of them apparently an American Airlines 767 hijacked from Boston, crashed into the Twin Towers shortly before 9 am. EST. Carmon noted that the World Trade Center has been targeted once before in 1993, when a bombing killed six people and injured more than 1,000. Carmon said that there have been threats by unidentified Islamic groups to target the World Trade Center again if Sheikh Omar Abdul Rahman, the militant Egyptian cleric, who is serving a life sentence in the US after his conviction in a plot to bomb the United Nations and New York landmarks, was not released. He added that it is possible that terrorist mastermind Osama Bin-Laden is also involved. Carmon said that the alleged terrorist attack amounts to a declaration of war on the US, and that the US will have to react in an extremely harsh manner. Israel, he noted, had already envisioned the possibility of an air attack, and shot down a small plane that took off from Lebanon in May after it flew menacingly into Israeli airspace. This article can also be read at http://www.jpost.com/Editions/2001/09/11/News/News.34586.html B [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[CTRL] Tyranny Marches Nearer With Bush Doctrine
http://www.ccops.org/alert20010921.html CCOPS TOTALITARIAN TIME: 10:19 P.M. Tyranny Marches a Half Hour Nearer with "Bush Doctrine" Holding our breath along with the rest of the nation, CCOPS has been waiting to see what response the U.S. government would make to the unthinkable attacks that struck the heart of America on September 11, 2001. It was clear from the beginning that the U.S. military would have to strike fiercely against such savage enemies. As Americans, we support that -- with hopes the strikes will be just and judicious, as well as decisive. It was less clear how fiercely the government would strike against American freedom. We were encouraged by George W. Bush's repeated assurances that he would protect, not sacrifice, freedom. Other voices -- calling for renewed imposition of intrusive, ineffective surveillance and other restrictions on freedom -- were more ominous. On the evening of September 20, President Bush allied himself with the worst enemies of freedom. He made a seemingly innocuous -- even a comforting-sounding -- announcement. He said he had created the cabinet-level Office of Homeland Security, with Pennsylvania governor Tom Ridge as its head. (Transcript: http://www.abcnews.go.com/sections/us/DailyNews/WTC_Bush_transcript010920.html) Most people were utterly unaware of the significance of Bush's new bureacracy. But for anyone watching the advance of police- state policies in America, absolutely nothing could have been more ominous. The Homeland Defense Agency is not a new idea. Conceived by a bi-partisan commission headed by former senators Gary Hart and Warren Rudman, this Clinton-era conception, "The Phase III Report Of The U.S. Commission On National Security/21st Century," is nothing less than the framework for a permanent military-bureaucratic American police state. The new Homeland Defense Agency is the lynchpin of a plan that extensively reorganizes both the executive and legislative functions of the U.S. government. Among other things, the plan makes the National Guard a national police force. It extensively federalizes both the study and the work of science, mathematics, and engineering. It creates numerous new sub-bureaucracies. The Homeland Security agency itself is to "be built upon the Federal Emergency Management Agency, with the three organizations currently on the front line of border security-the Coast Guard, the Customs Service, and the Border Patrol- transferred to it." The plan calls for the new agency to oversee activities of the Department of Defense, as well as to assume a variety of duties now held by agencies from the Department of Commerce to the FBI. When the plan was announced in January of this year, the media barely covered it, and shortly thereafter, the plan itself, and the government Web site created expressly for it, dropped out of sight. We found the full text of the report at only one location: http://www.rense.com/general10/roadmap.htm Read it and shudder as you consider how the Bill of Rights -- and your freedoms -- will be slaughtered if you remain silent now. Do not be fooled. The purpose of this agency and the larger plan of which it is merely one part, is not to make us safer. It is to rule us -- and to put in place the iron, eternal structure of the police state. Once again, crisis has been used as a false justification of the will to power. When we created the CCOPS Totalitarian Time Clock, we promised ourselves we'd avoid huge, precipitous moves of the clock's hands. Without extreme provocation, we'd advance and roll back the clock's digits only a few minutes at a time. The war strikes of September 11 were world shattering, and we would never seek to minimize the horror or deny the need for strong retaliation. But our government's covert strike against American liberties will have an even more devastating long term impact on millions of lives. The clock -- and the tragic march of tyranny -- advances by a half hour. If you really value freedom, please share this alert with everyone you know, and encourage them to go to the site and read the Hart-Rudman roadmap to your future life in a police state. The Liberty Crew
[CTRL] PART 9: THE JUDGMENT BEGINS! ILLUMINATI COVER-UP - PROOF: BIBLE IS FACT!
-Caveat Lector- NEW WEBSITE FOR: The Joshua Report http://joshuareport.freewebsites.com SPECIAL REPORT! ILLUMINATI COVER-UP - PROOF: BIBLE IS FACT! (Part 9) PART 9: THE JUDGMENT BEGINS *SEPTEMBER 11, 2001: Like December 7, 1941, this is a date that WILL live in infamy - briefly. Coming events will quickly oblitterate its importance. Personally, I believe this day's events were a CIA- contracted TEST RUN - similar to the OKLAHOMA CITY BOMBING (planned and set up by the CIA and the BATF, using Timothy McVey as the scapegoat) - to see where Americans now stand in their willingness to accept UNDECLARED MARTIAL LAW, i.e., a military government. For what purpose? The same purpose there is behind the SCHOOL SHOOTINGS, the DRUG WAR, WACO, RUBY RIDGE, ad nauseum: to persuade the American people to GIVE UP THEIR RIGHTS WITHOUT A FIGHT. And if the Bilderbergers and their fellow Globalists have anything to say about it, THEY WILL SUCCEED: Today Americans would be outraged if U.N. troops entered Los Angeles to restore order. Tomorrow THEY WILL BE GRATEFUL! This is especially true if they were told there was an OUTSIDE THREAT from beyond, WHETHER REAL OR PROMULGATED (promoted; declared), that threatened our very existence. It is then that all the peoples of the world will plead with world leaders to DELIVER THEM FROM THIS EVIL (straight out of the Protocols of Zion!). The one thing that every man fears is the unknown. When presented with this scenario, INDIVIDUAL RIGHTS WILL BE WILLINGLY RELINQUISHED FOR THE GUARANTEE OF THEIR WELL BEING - GRANTED TO THEM BY THEIR WORLD GOVERNMENT. - HENRY KISSINGER (Address to Bilderbergerss 5/21/92 - Evian, France) Could the destruction of the TWIN TRADE TOWERS and the attack on the PENTAGON have been PART OF THIS PLAN? Well, let's examine these so-called terrorist attacks (in my day, we called them acts of war) more closely: lf this was just planes slamming into a couple of sky-scrapers (even if there WAS a bomb in the basement), the buildings would never have disintegrated the way they did. The Trade Towers came STRAIGHT DOWN, and the amount of rubble left looked more like a big city dump, with most pieces of the buildings so small they barely qualified as rubble - EXACTLY the way it would look if a DEMOLITION TEAM had brought it down, to make way for another parking lot. You know: EXPLOSIVES PLACED ON EVERY FLOOR, with a DETONATION POINT. How could anybody spend that much time placing explosives without being spotted by building security - unless they had PARTNERS ON THE INSIDE? But, there was a SECONDARY purpose: to create antagonism (through insinuation) towards ISRAEL - for creating the conditions for this JIHADj. Granted, the experts are throwing OSAMA bin LADEN's name around, because he (like Timothy McVey) is their SCAPEGOAT: a carefully cultivated anti-hero beginning with the Bosnian war. Part 9 can be read at: The Joshua Report http://joshuareport.freewebsites.com For News you won't find in the mainstream: Pictures of the WTC and the NEW WONDER WEAPON Joshua's Shadow http://www.geocities.com/joshshadowus/ http://joshuashadow.freewebsites.com A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Bin-Laden/Bush Family Business Connections
http://www.copvcia.com/stories/sept_2001/bushbin.html Osama bin Laden's Bush family Business Connections Alliance With Pakistan Will Stimulate Drug Trade, Bring Revenues Under U.S. Control - Colombian Opium Production Will Soar The Taliban's Biggest Economic Attack on the U.S. Came in February With The Destruction of Its Opium Crop by Michael C. Ruppert [© Copyright 2001, Michael C. Ruppert and From The Wilderness Publications. All Rights Reserved. May be reprinted and distributed for non-profit purposes only] From the September 18, issue of From The Wilderness FTW - Money connections between Bush Republicans and Osama bin Laden go way back and the political and economic connections have remained unbroken for 20 years. And what appears to be a "new" alliance with Pakistan is merely a new manifestation of a decades-long partnership in the heroin trade. Conveniently ignored in all of the press coverage since the tragic events of Sept. 11 is the fact that on May 17 Secretary of State Colin Powell announced a gift of $43 million to the Taliban as a purported reward for its eradication of Afghanistan's opium crop this February. That, in effect, made the U.S. the Taliban's largest financial benefactor according to syndicated columnist Robert Scheer writing in The Los Angeles times on May 22. But -- as we described in FTW's March 2001 issue -- the Taliban's destruction of that crop was apparently the single most important act of economic warfare against U.S. economic interests that the Taliban had ever committed. So why the gift? Critics of the Gulf War well recall how, just prior to Sadam's invasion of Kuwait, President Bush (Sr.) dispatched Ambassador April Glaspie to visit Sadam with a letter and a "wink and a nod" telling the Iraqi leader that it was OK to invade his smaller neighbor. The May gift from Uncle Sam could well have been sending the same kind of message, along with necessary funds to complete the attacks. Drugs and terrorism go hand in hand. Until February, Afghanistan had been the world's largest producer of opium/heroin, claiming close to 70% of the world's total production. That opium, consumed largely in Western Europe and smuggled through the Balkans, was a direct source of cash deposits in Western financial institutions and markets. I specifically commented on this at an economic crisis conference in Moscow, Russia on March 7. In my formal statement to the Russian conference I said, "Just before coming to this conference I read in the Associated Press, Agence France Press and other reliable sources that the Taliban has recently eradicated most of its 3000 ton opium crop in Afghanistan. If true, I view this as a form of economic warfare against Russia [and the U.S.] because it would drive opium production more into Southeast Asia and Colombia. However, I now suspect that this will result in a shift of opium production to the Caucasus under the Kurds which will see an increase in smuggling through Armenia, Georgia, and Azerbaijan. I should note that both Vice President Richard Cheney and the designated Deputy Secretary of State Richard Armitage are members of the US-Azerbaijan Chamber of Commerce. Such a move would have the effect of drastically shortening smuggling routes and costs into Western Europe and of bypassing unstable areas of the Balkans. I have received additional reports that Uzbekistan is now awash in the opium poppy and, as in the US with the CIA, that Russian military and intelligence agencies facilitate the trade as a means of protecting access to hard currency. The point here is not that the US it totally evil or the only country doing these things. But the US is far and away the most advanced nation when it comes to the use of such methods to achieve superiority. As [Russian economist Michael] Khazin has noted, the US and Britain and Germany started the conflict in Kosovo in 1999 to stave off a collapse of western markets following the Asian collapse of 1997-8. Now Colombia is a last-ditch effort to protect the US markets and European opposition is jeopardizing that plan." The Taliban's actions this year severed the ruling military junta in Pakistan from its primary source of foreign revenues and made bin Laden and the Taliban completely expendable in the eyes of the Pakistani government. It also cut off billions of dollars in revenues that had been previously laundered through western banks and Russian financial institutions connected to them. Now as US military action will replace the Taliban government and fresh crops will be planted in Afghanistan, the slack in cash flow will assuredly be replaced by dramatically increased opium production in Colombia; the revenues from that effort being needed to maintain the revenue streams into Wall Street. Prior to the WTC attacks, credible sources, including the U.S. government, the IMF, Le Monde and the U.S. Senate placed the amount of drug cash flowing into Wall Street and U.S. banks at around $250-$300 billion a
[CTRL] Air Traffic Controllers Spotted Unidentified Aircraft
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[CTRL] Pakistani Diplomat Dies In Car Crash
http://www.ctvnews.com/content/sitesections/1/810529.asp Pakistani diplomat dies in Ottawa car crash CTVNEWS.com Staff Fri. Sep. 21 2001 5:42 PM Pakistan's High Commissioner to Canada, Tareeq Altaf, has died in a car crash in Ottawa. Altaf's car was being driven by a chauffeur when it collided with an oncoming vehicle Thursday night, near the prime minister's residence on Sussex Drive. Altaf was in critical condition when he arrived at the hospital. Altogether, four cars were involved in the accident. Two other people suffered minor injuries. Police do not know what caused the crash. Earlier this week, Altaf said in media interviews that Pakistan was going to fight terrorism.
[CTRL] Engineers shocked by towers collapse - more naughties by the BATF?
-Caveat Lector- if charges had been placed prior to the crash...we would have two buildings nicely, neatly falling in typical demo style...hmmm... http://chicagotribune.com/news/nationworld/chi-010911kamin-towers.story Engineers shocked by towers collapse By Blair Kamin Tribune architecture critic Published September 11, 2001, 12:18 PM CDT The World Trade Center, a symbol of American economic might, survived one terrorist attack in 1993. It was designed to withstand the impact of a jet, but both its towers collapsed this morning after planes rammed them. The structural engineer who designed the towers said as recently as last week that their steel columns could remain standing if they were hit by a 707. Les Robertson, the Trade Centers structural engineer, spoke last week at a conference on tall buildings in Frankfurt, Germany. He was asked during a question-and-answer session what he had done to protect the twin towers from terrorist attacks, according to Joseph Burns, a principal at the Chicago firm of Thornton-Thomasetti Engineers. Burns, who was present, said that Robertson said of the center, I designed it for a 707 to smash into it. Burns, whose firm did the structural engineering for the Petronas Twin Towers in Malaysia -- the worlds tallest buildings -- said Robertson did not elaborate on the remark. Robertson could not be reached early today. Completed in 1972 and 1973, the 110-story twin towers were the fifth and sixth tallest buildings in the world. One World Trade Center, finished in 1972, was briefly after its construction the worlds tallest building. The towers have been called a monumental gate to New York and the United States. They withstood the 1993 attack, when a bomb-laden van exploded, killing six people and injuring more than 1,000. Closely spaced steel columns that ringed their perimeter held up the World Trade Center towers. Chicagos Aon Center (formerly the Amoco Building), completed in 1973, uses a similar support system, known to structural engineers as a tube. Shocked by the buildings collapse, structural engineers pointed to fire as the likely cause of the structural failure. Fire melts steel, Burns said. In addition, he said, the impact of the plane could have severely damaged the buildings sprinklers, allowing the fire to rage, despite fireproofing supposed to protect steel columns and beams. You never know in an explosion like that whether they (the sprinklers) get cut off, Burns said. Architects Minoru Yamasaki and Associates, in association with Emery Roth Sons, designed the World Trade Center. The structural engineers were the firm of Skilling, Helle, Chrstiansen, Robertson. The developer was The Port Authority of New York and New Jersey. Todays attack marked the second time that a plane has crashed into a New York City skyscraper, although the first incident was an accident. In 1945, a B-25 flying at 200 miles per hour slammed into the 78th and 79th floors of the Empire State Building, gouging an 18-by-20-foot hole 913 feet above the streets of Manhattan. The pilot, Lt. Col. William F. Smith Jr., had been heading from New Yorks LaGuardia Airport to Newark, N.J., when he became disoriented. Fourteen people died in the crash and the fire that followed -- three people in the plane and 11 in what was then the worlds tallest building. Like the World Trade Center, the Pentagon, which also was struck by a plane, provided a sizable and symbolic target. The Pentagon is the worlds largest office building, with a total of 6.5 million square feet, serves as headquarters for the worlds most powerful military. Sears Tower, by comparison, has about 3.5 million square feet of office space. Copyright © 2001, Chicago Tribune __ Do You Yahoo!? Get email alerts NEW webcam video instant messaging with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To
[CTRL] President Bush Speech
-Caveat Lector- Text of the President's speech, September 20, 2001 Mr. Speaker, Mr. President pro tempore, Members of Congress, and fellow Americans: In the normal course of events, Presidents come to this chamber to report on the state of the Union. Tonight, no such report is needed. It has already been delivered by the American people. We have seen it in the courage of passengers, who rushed terrorists to save others on the ground --passengers like an exceptional man named Todd Beamer. Please help me to welcome his wife, Lisa Beamer, here tonight. We have seen the state of our Union in the endurance of rescuers, working past exhaustion. We have seen the unfurling of flags, the lighting of candles, the giving of blood, the saying of prayers ? in English, Hebrew, and Arabic. We have seen the decency of a loving and giving people, who have made the grief of strangers their own. My fellow citizens, for the last nine days, the entire world has seen for itself the state of our Union ? and it is strong. Tonight we are a country awakened to danger and called to defend freedom. Our grief has turned to anger, and anger to resolution. Whether we bring our enemies to justice, or bring justice to our enemies, justice will be done. I thank the Congress for its leadership at such an important time. All of America was touched on the evening of the tragedy to see Republicans and Democrats, joined together on the steps of this Capitol, singing God Bless America. And you did more than sing, you acted, by delivering forty billion dollars to rebuild our communities and meet the needs of our military. Speaker Hastert and Minority Leader Gephardt ? Majority Leader Daschle and Senator Lott ? I thank you for your friendship and your leadership and your service to our country. And on behalf of the American people, I thank the world for its outpouring of support. America will never forget the sounds of our National Anthem playing at Buckingham Palace, and on the streets of Paris, and at Berlin's Brandenburg Gate. We will not forget South Korean children gathering to pray outside our embassy in Seoul, or the prayers of sympathy offered at a mosque in Cairo. We will not forget moments of silence and days of mourning in Australia and Africa and Latin America. Nor will we forget the citizens of eighty other nations who died with our own. Dozens of Pakistanis. More than 130 Israelis. More than 250 citizens of India. Men and women from El Salvador, Iran, Mexico, and Japan. And hundreds of British citizens. America has no truer friend than Great Britain. Once again, we are joined together in a great cause. The British Prime Minister has crossed an ocean to show his unity of purpose with America, and tonight we welcome Tony Blair. On September the eleventh, enemies of freedom committed an act of war against our country. Americans have known wars ? but for the past 136 years, they have been wars on foreign soil, except for one Sunday in 1941. Americans have known the casualties of war ? but not at the center of a great city on a peaceful morning. Americans have known surprise attacks ? but never before on thousands of civilians. All of this was brought upon us in a single day ? and night fell on a different world, a world where freedom itself is under attack. Americans have many questions tonight. Americans are asking: Who attacked our country? The evidence we have gathered all points to a collection of loosely affiliated terrorist organizations known as al-Qaida. They are the same murderers indicted for bombing American embassies in Tanzania and Kenya, and responsible for the bombing of the U.S.S. Cole. Al-Qaida is to terror what the mafia is to crime. But its goal is not making money; its goal is remaking the world ? and imposing its radical beliefs on people everywhere. The terrorists practice a fringe form of Islamic extremism that has been rejected by Muslim scholars and the vast majority of Muslim clerics a fringe movement that perverts the peaceful teachings of Islam. The terrorists' directive commands them to kill Christians and Jews, to kill all Americans, and make no distinctions among military and civilians, including women and children. This group and its leader a person named Usama bin Ladin are linked to many other organizations in different countries, including the Egyptian Islamic Jihad and the Islamic Movement of Uzbekistan. There are thousands of these terrorists in more than sixty countries. They are recruited from their own nations and neighborhoods, and brought to camps in places like Afghanistan where they are trained in the tactics of terror. They are sent back to their homes or sent to hide in countries around the world to plot evil and destruction. The leadership of al-Qaida has great influence in Afghanistan, and supports the Taliban regime in controlling most of that country. In Afghanistan, we see al-Qaida's vision for the world. Afghanistan's people have been brutalized many are starving
Re: [CTRL] New breeds of Trojan terrorist ?.....
-Caveat Lector- On Sat, 22 Sep 2001, Samantha L. wrote: It just occurred to me, with all the careful planning by the hijackers, how strange it was they didn't immediately strip all passengers of their cell phones. It wasn't just cellphones...some calls were done via the Airfones built into the plane... Conjecture I heard on one news show was that the hijackers allowed this because they knew it was too late for any help to arrive, plus they wanted the word to get out so that people would know exactly what happened...without those calls, we might still be wondering what happened to cause the 'accidents'... June === Check out Alternative Kite Radio at http://www.altkiteradio.trancetechno.com Alternative Kite Radio (low-bandwidth) Alternative Kite Radio (high-bandwidth) Alternative Kite Summer Beachparty Radio (it's always summer somewhere) Alternative Kite Holiday Radio (everyday's a holiday) === A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Did Israelis evacuate towers?
-Caveat Lector- WJPBR Email News List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Peace at any cost is a Prelude to War! Did Israelis evacuate towers? Net rumor sparked by reports from Pakistan, Hezbollah -- -- © 2001 WorldNetDaily.com With the aid and speed of the Internet, conspiracy theorists are spreading a rumor that 4,000 Israelis who worked in the World Trade Center didn't report for work the day two airliners commandeered by terrorists crashed into the towers, destroying the tallest buildings in New York. The e-mailers and Internet sites spreading the tale suggest this is evidence Israel, not Islamic terrorists, were behind the attack Sept. 11 â or at least had advance knowledge of it. There's just one problem with the story, WorldNetDaily has learned. It's not true. The report seems to have originated in Jordan's Al Watan newspaper and been spread by Pakistani publications, including Jang. Versions of the story have been repeated at news conferences by Islamic clerics in the Middle East and Central Asia. Alex Safian, associate director of the Committee for Accuracy in Middle East Reporting in America, or CAMERA, which monitors Middle East media coverage, says his organization first saw the report on Lebanon's Al-Manara Television. Al-Manara is the television station of Hezbollah â a militant Islamic terrorist group. 4,000 Israeli Employees in WTC Absent the Day of the Attack, read the Manar TV headline Sept. 17. With the announcement of the attacks at the World Trade Center in New York, the international media, particularly the Israeli one, hurried to take advantage of the incident and started mourning 4,000 Israelis who work at the two towers, started the Hezbollah story. Then suddenly, no one ever mentioned anything about those Israelis and later it became clear that they remarkably did not show up in their jobs the day the incident took place. No one talked about any Israeli being killed or wounded in the attacks, the story added. In fact, at least 130 Israelis were killed in the World Trade Center attack. Many more are missing. Nevertheless, Pakistani political leader Sami-ul Haq, in calling for a nationwide strike yesterday to protest his country's plan to cooperate with the U.S., made reference to the rumor. Thousands of Jews working -- nothing happened to them, Haq told a roomful of reporters. The Israeli consulate may be partly responsible for the rumor. Immediately after the tragic attack, it filed requests for information on as many as 4,000 Israelis who may have been in the World Trade Center at the time of the attacks. Nearly 50,000 people work in the buildings at any one time. Many, however, left the second tower following the first attack. The estimated death toll is currently around 7,000, but fewer than 300 bodies have been found and even fewer identified. An FBI spokesman claimed not to have any knowledge of the rumor and refused comment or any interest in it. *COPYRIGHT NOTICE** In accordance with Title 17 U. S. C. Section 107, any copyrighted work in this message is distributed under fair use without profit or payment to those who have expressed a prior interest in receiving the included information for nonprofit research and educational purposes only.[Ref. http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/17/107.shtml ] Want to be on our lists? Write at [EMAIL PROTECTED] for a menu of our lists! A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Terror - by the book
-Caveat Lector- WJPBR Email News List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Peace at any cost is a Prelude to War! Terror - by the book The Sept 11 hijackers may have practised terrorism according to a manual - all 180 pages of it - seized by the FBI last year NEW YORK - No beards or other 'Islamic characteristics'. Do not speak loudly or otherwise draw attention to yourself. Rent apartments in areas where neighbours do not know each other well. The suicide hijackers in the Sept 11 attacks apparently practised terrorism by the book - a 180-page manual for Muslim operatives living undercover among their enemies in 'godless areas' of the world. Advertisement The manual, Military Studies in the Jihad Against the Tyrants, was discovered last year during an investigation of Osama bin Laden. It gives terrorists precise instructions on how to act while they await their orders to strike. Investigators have not said whether the 19 hijackers ever read the manual, but glimpses of their lives suggest they conducted themselves according to its instructions during the months they spent in the United States. Experts say the manual illustrates the inner workings of Osama's Al-Qaeda organisation, the prime suspect in the attacks. The hijackers 'seem to have followed the manual as closely as they could', said Mr George Andrew, former deputy head of anti-terrorism for the Federal Bureau of Investigation's New York City office. The manual says anyone willing to 'undergo martyrdom' should be 'able to act, pretend and mask himself' behind enemy lines. Among other things, the manual instructs that operatives should maintain an appearance 'that does not indicate Islamic orientation'. Most television images of the men thought to have been aboard the airliners show them without beards. And people who met them said they wore Western clothes. Neighbours said they lived in suburbs where they did not stand out. In Florida, they moved frequently, staying in motels and apartments around the state. They joined gyms. One made small talk with a neighbour about sports. Another posted a personal ad on the Internet. People who came into contact with them described them as quiet, friendly and sometimes timid men who gave few, if any, hints that they harboured deep resentment against the United States. Nawaq Alhamzi, a suspected hijacker aboard the jet that crashed into the Pentagon, lived last autumn in a new 175-unit San Diego apartment building where so many people came and went that he was barely noticed. He always paid the rent on time. Some of the hijackers appeared to bend a rule in the manual stating that 'there is nothing that permits... drinking wine or fornicating'. Days before the World Trade Center attack, Mohamed Atta and Marwan Al-Shehhi were seen drinking at a sports bar while Majed Moqued was spotted perusing adult videos. He did not buy anything. FBI agents discovered the manual last year in Manchester in Britain in one of several 'guest houses' authorities say Al-Qaeda used to harbour terrorist cells. The FBI was investigating Osama and his suspected role in the deadly 1998 bombings of two US embassies in Africa. After studying the manual, the FBI suspected that Osama's soldiers were attempting to infiltrate American society. But investigators apparently did not conclude that terrorists had already put themselves in position to strike. --AP -- -- Do not address others with Islamic greetings in which Allah's name is invoked. Do not cause trouble in your neighbourhood. Do not park in no-parking zones. Do not live near police stations. Do not appear to be overly inquisitive. Burn letters immediately after reading them and get rid of the ashes, too. Rent apartments 'in newly developed areas where people don't know each other'. Use codes when talking on the telephone. Try not to be 'chatty and talkative'. Maintain an appearance 'that does not indicate Islamic orientation (beard, toothpick, book, long shirt, small Quran)'. *COPYRIGHT NOTICE** In accordance with Title 17 U. S. C. Section 107, any copyrighted work in this message is distributed under fair use without profit or payment to those who have expressed a prior interest in receiving the included information for nonprofit research and educational purposes only.[Ref. http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/17/107.shtml ] Want to be on our lists? Write at [EMAIL PROTECTED] for a menu of our lists! A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no
[CTRL] Osama, supporters move to Uruzgan?
-Caveat Lector- WJPBR Email News List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Peace at any cost is a Prelude to War! Osama, supporters move to Uruzgan? By M. Ismail Khan PESHAWAR, Sept 21: Saudi dissident Osama bin Laden has gone into hiding in Afghanistan's southwestern Uruzgan along with scores of his supporters, highly competent sources in Afghanistan said. Bin Laden has also moved his family of three wives and several children from his house in Kandahar to Uruzgan - native province of Taliban supreme leader Mullah Muhammad Omar, the sources said, quoting latest reports. Osama, whom the United States believes is a prime suspect in the Sept 11 terrorist attacks in Washington and New York, lived near the Afghan Airforce Colony in Kandahar Airport but vacated his abode to escape possible retaliatory attacks, the sources said. The place was protected by an anti-aircraft gun, the sources said. These sources described Bin Laden as a security-minded man who does not stay at one place for more than two nights. The sources said he decided to move out of Kandahar last week as Washington threatened to launch reprisal attacks on Afghanistan for providing a sanctuary to him and the alleged terrorist training camps. He has been moving between Uruzgan and Helmand provinces, the sources said. Previously, the Saudi dissident would move around between Khajkai dam in Helmand, Zarang in Nemroz, Mass-e-Ainak in Logar, Darunta and Tora Bora in Nangarhar, Tahkhtabeg Fort in Khost and Bacha Kuroona in Bagh-i-Bala in Kabul. The sources that have a fairly comprehensive knowledge of Bin Laden's operations in Afghanistan said the Saudi dissident maintained liaison offices of Al-Qaida in Corps Headquarters in Kandahar and the ministry of defence in Kabul. No one, however, was allowed to have direct access to Laden who would meet people at the guest houses near his Kandahar Airport residence. According to the sources, Laden kept his movement secret and announced his itinerary at the spur of the moment. Only his close confidants or a key Taliban leader close to Mulla Omar knew his whereabouts, the sources added. These sources said that for external security, 50 to 60 Afghans from Paghman and Laghman provinces protected Laden. Besides the Afghans, said these sources, another batch of ready-to-die 150 Arabs had taken oath of allegiance to Laden, pledging to protect him with their lives. These sources further said that Laden, who was widely believed to be a millionaire, had exhausted his funds and relied heavily on donations from individuals in the Gulf, Saudi Arabia and other countries. He avoided normal banking channels and would get money through the non-formal Hawala system under fictitious Arab and Afghan names. These knowledgeable sources said that Laden preferred to live in ordinary mud houses and travelled in identical pick-ups and Land Cruisers without any registration number. *COPYRIGHT NOTICE** In accordance with Title 17 U. S. C. Section 107, any copyrighted work in this message is distributed under fair use without profit or payment to those who have expressed a prior interest in receiving the included information for nonprofit research and educational purposes only.[Ref. http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/17/107.shtml ] Want to be on our lists? Write at [EMAIL PROTECTED] for a menu of our lists! A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] US closes net round Afghanistan
-Caveat Lector- WJPBR Email News List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Peace at any cost is a Prelude to War! US closes net round Afghanistan By Esther Schrader in Washington The United States Army began moving troops to within striking distance of Afghanistan as a massive deployment of warplanes, ships, equipment and personnel entered its second day. Army Secretary Mr Thomas White, the US army's top civilian official, said the Army was ready to conduct sustained land combat operations in the Persian Gulf region. He said the deployment of special operations forces, light infantry and other troops was the first step in a broader military campaign that would unfold in coming weeks, adding that American casualties were likely. This is not a police activity. We have treated [combating terrorism] as a police activity in the past, said Mr White, the army's top civilian official. This is war. In the conduct of this campaign, there will most likely be casualties. That is the nature of war. He said the campaign would eventually involve other countries known to harbour or shelter terrorists. Analysts speculated these might include Iraq, Sudan and Libya. Mr White gave no details of which units might be sent from America, only that special units, which normally means the US Rangers, the Green Berets, Delta Force and US Navy SEAL units, would have a prominent role. The Pentagon has said it has ordered more than 100 support aircraft. These include F-15E fighter bombers, F-16 fighters, B-52 bombers, B-1 long range bombers, E-3 AWACS airborne command-and-control aircraft and tanker aircraft to be positioned between the US and the Persian Gulf region to refuel the warplanes. Three aircraft carrier battle groups are now either in the region or steaming towards it. At the time of last week's terrorist attacks, the aircraft carrier USS Carl Vinson and its battle group of ships and submarines were about to replace the carrier USS Enterprise. Both have been ordered to remain in the region. A third carrier, the USS Theodore Roosevelt, left Norfolk, Virginia, on Wednesday with its own armada of about a dozen combat and support ships. Along with the air deployment, this could place up to 500 US warplanes in the Mediterranean, Gulf and Indian Ocean areas. Yesterday the US aircraft carrier Kitty Hawk steamed out of its home port near Tokyo. German media reported that a force of elite German troops was set to fly out to support a US strike in Central Asia. The Special Power Commando or KSK, which Germany considers among NATO's best troops, were due to leave their base in south-western Germany any minute now, according to Die Welt newspaper. Russia, meanwhile, is pouring troops, tanks, and military equipment onto the border with Afghanistan. In addition to 10,000 border guards under Russian command on the ex-Soviet state of Tajikistan's border with Afghanistan, Moscow has sent tanks and several thousand crack troops to the border zone over the past week. But even as the military deployments progressed, the US was struggling to articulate this new kind of war against a shadowy, elusive enemy. What we're engaged in is something that is very, very different from World War II, Korea, Vietnam, the Gulf War, Kosovo, Bosnia, the kinds of things that people think of when they use the word 'war' or 'campaign' or 'conflict', Defence Secretary Mr Donald Rumsfeld told reporters at the Pentagon. 'We really, almost, are going to have to fashion a new vocabulary and different constructs for thinking about what it is we're doing. While acknowledging that we surely will not eliminate terrorism completely, Mr Rumsfeld said the US would be victorious if it can go after this worldwide problem in a way that we can continue our way of life. ... This is not a quick matter that's going to be over in a month or a year or even five years. It's a marathon, it's not a sprint. The US Air Force, Army and Navy deployments add to an already robust American military presence in the region. The US Central Command, the military headquarters that oversees a region from the Horn of Africa to Pakistan, has maintained a force of about 20,000 troops, about 175 aircraft and 14 ships, anchored by an aircraft carrier. Mr Rumsfeld also said that 5,131 Air Force Reserve and Air National Guard troops had been ordered to active duty as part of a homeland defence mobilisation ordered by President Bush. *COPYRIGHT NOTICE** In accordance with Title 17 U. S. C. Section 107, any copyrighted work in this message is distributed under fair use without profit or payment to those who have expressed a prior interest in receiving the included information for nonprofit research and educational purposes only.[Ref. http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/17/107.shtml ] Want to be on our lists? Write at [EMAIL PROTECTED] for a menu of our lists! A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing
[CTRL] Saudis Balk at U.S. Use of Key Facility
-Caveat Lector- WJPBR Email News List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Peace at any cost is a Prelude to War! Saudis Balk at U.S. Use of Key Facility Powell Seeks Reversal of Policy; Refusal Could Delay Airstrikes at Terrorists By Vernon Loeb and Dana Priest Washington Post Staff Writers Saturday, September 22, 2001; Page A01 Saudi Arabia is resisting the United States' request to use a new command center on a Saudi military base in any air war against terrorists, forcing Pentagon planners to consider alternatives that could delay a campaign for weeks, defense officials said yesterday. Secretary of State Colin L. Powell is trying to persuade the Saudi government to reverse a decade-old policy in which it has refused to allow the United States to stage or command offensive air operations from Saudi air bases, officials said. While high-level talks aimed at resolving the matter are underway, the Pentagon is already considering moving the operations center to another country, the officials added. They did not specify where. A refusal by the Saudis would deal a significant blow to the Bush administration's efforts to build a broad international coalition in its effort to destroy the terrorist network of Saudi extremist Osama bin Laden and Afghanistan's ruling Taliban militia, which has harbored bin Laden and many of his top lieutenants. The Pentagon had been counting on using the command center at Prince Sultan Air Base in the coming air war. Besides delaying any operation, Saudi unwillingness to allow the United Sates to use Saudi bases for offensive operations could send a strong signal to the Arab world that accepting Washington's demands is not a prerequisite for ongoing relations with Washington. The Combined Air Operations Center at Prince Sultan Air Base, located outside Al Kharj about 70 miles southeast of Riyadh and completed just six weeks ago, is the Air Force's most advanced command and control center. It is capable of controlling the movements of hundreds of aircraft over an area of thousands of miles. The two nations have different perspectives on the Air Force facility: The United States sees it as capable of running operations throughout the Mideast, while the Saudi government would like -- at least publicly -- to see it used only to defend Saudi territory. Retired Marine Gen. Anthony C. Zinni, who until last year commanded U.S. military operations in the Mideast, said losing the ability to run combat missions from the new air operations center would be problematic only in the short term. Obviously, it's easier to go into a place where you're already set up, he said. But we have really worked to make our capability expeditionary and can set up fairly quickly at bases in other countries. Victoria Clarke, the chief spokesperson for the Pentagon, declined to comment on the discussions with the Saudis. We think it is appropriate for countries to announce what they are doing, not us, she said. Different countries will be doing different things at different times. We have been very pleased by this response. Greg Sullivan, spokesman for the State Department's Near Eastern Affairs Bureau, said he was unaware of any dispute with the Saudis. We've gotten everything we've asked for from the Saudis and we're very pleased with their cooperation, he said. Despite military ties with Washington that are decades old, the Saudi royal family remains extremely sensitive about cooperating with the U.S. military, given feelings among many Saudi citizens that their leaders are too closely allied with the United States. During the Persian Gulf War, the Saudis permitted the United States to fly combat missions from their soil. But afterward, the Saudis repeatedly refused Washington's request to base attack aircraft there for various military strikes against Iraq. The matter is so sensitive that U.S. officials often do not even ask the Saudis for permission to use their bases for offensive purposes. Such was the case when 40,000 troops and coalition forces moved into the Gulf region after Iraqi President Saddam Hussein prohibited United Nations inspectors from entering certain suspected chemical and biological weapons sites. Airstrikes were averted after Saddam relented. A cardinal rule in dealing with the Saudi government has been secrecy, or plausible deniability, said one general who worked for years in Saudi Arabia. Saudi cooperation was always something they did not want to broadcast, he said, referring to media accounts earlier this week in The Washington Post and the New York Times about the U.S. plan to run the coming air war out of the new operations center at Prince Sultan base. Public discussion of that plan, the general said, put them in a really tough position. We should have known better. In the past, the Saudis have told U.S. officials that they cannot support strikes from their territory, or advocate strikes publicly, unless the target of the strikes, which in most cases has been Iraq, had
[CTRL] Essex latest U.S. warship to put to sea from Japan
-Caveat Lector- WJPBR Email News List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Peace at any cost is a Prelude to War! Essex latest U.S. warship to put to sea from Japan SASEBO, Nagasaki Pref. (Kyodo) The U.S. amphibious assault ship Essex left the U.S. naval base in Sasebo, Nagasaki Prefecture, on Saturday morning for an undisclosed destination. The departure of the 40,532-ton Essex follows the U.S. aircraft carrier Kitty Hawk's departure from its home port of Yokosuka, Kanagawa Prefecture, on Friday morning, also for an undisclosed destination. On Thursday, the Essex left the U.S. military's special quay after loading ammunition and other supplies in preparation for its departure. After stopping at the Yokosuka base, the Essex is expected to head for the Indian Ocean to participate in the anticipated retaliatory measures against terrorists for the Sept. 11 attacks on New York's World Trade Center and the Pentagon outside Washington. The 2,950-ton Haruyuki, a Japanese Maritime Self-Defense Force destroyer, patrolled the sea off the Sasebo base along with two helicopters, effectively escorting the amphibious assault ship. Similar procedures were followed for the departure of the 81,123-ton Kitty Hawk. The Essex is carrying three hovercraft-type landing crafts. Large containers and wooden crates were also loaded aboard the ship, while two large transport helicopters landed on the Essex shortly before its departure. The U.S. Navy's 6,080-ton nuclear-powered submarine Bremerton is expected to leave Sasebo port on Saturday evening. $10 million donation NEW YORK (Kyodo) Parliamentary Foreign Secretary Taimei Yamaguchi, currently in the United States, told representatives of New York City and New York State that Japan will provide $10 million to the relief funds established after last week's terrorist attacks. Japan will give $5 million to New York State's World Trade Center Relief Fund and a similar amount to New York City's Twin Towers Fund as a token of sympathy to the victims of the Sept. 11 attacks. At the New York City Council, Yamaguchi said the terrorist attacks on the World Trade Center in New York and the Pentagon in Washington were not only an attack on the U.S. but a challenge to the international community as a whole. As an ally, Japan strongly supports and will spare no effort in cooperating with the U.S., he said. Yamaguchi also said that money is not a substitute for a life, but that he hopes it will help the families of the victims and New Yorkers. *COPYRIGHT NOTICE** In accordance with Title 17 U. S. C. Section 107, any copyrighted work in this message is distributed under fair use without profit or payment to those who have expressed a prior interest in receiving the included information for nonprofit research and educational purposes only.[Ref. http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/17/107.shtml ] Want to be on our lists? Write at [EMAIL PROTECTED] for a menu of our lists! A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Taliban: Unmanned Plane Shot Down
-Caveat Lector- WJPBR Email News List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Peace at any cost is a Prelude to War! Taliban: Unmanned Plane Shot Down By AMIR SHAH, Associated Press Writer KABUL, Afghanistan (news - web sites) (AP) - The ruling Taliban said its fighters shot down an unmanned reconnaissance plane Saturday in northern Afghanistan, where the opposition reported heavy fighting with forces of the hardline Islamic leadership. The Taliban's official Bakhtar news agency said investigators were trying to determine what country launched the plane. The aircraft was shot down over the Tashgurgan Pass in Samangan province, which borders Uzbekistan. In Washington, Pentagon (news - web sites) officials refused to say whether the plane was American. Fears of a military confrontation with the United States have risen after the Bush administration accused exiled Saudi millionaire Osama bin Laden (news - web sites) of masterminding the Sept. 11 attacks on the World Trade Center and the Pentagon, in which thousands were believed to have died. Bin Laden has lived in Afghanistan since 1996, and President Bush (news - web sites) has demanded the Taliban hand him and his lieutenants over or face American military action. The Taliban rejected the demand and warned Afghans to prepare for holy war to defend the country. Addressing a joint session of Congress on Thursday, Bush also told the Taliban give the United States full access to terrorist training camps and release imprisoned U.S. aid workers, saying the demands were not negotiable. With fears of U.S. attack running high, five truckloads of Afghan men drove Saturday to the compound of the abandoned American embassy, threw rocks and bricks at the gate and screamed ``death to America.'' The embassy has been abandoned since 1988, when U.S. diplomats left the country in the final months of the war against Soviet occupation forces. As they face the prospect of an armed clash with the United States, the Taliban are also battling an alliance of opposition forces in the north. Opposition spokesman Mohammed Ashraf Nadim reported heavy fighting Saturday in the northern provinces of Balkh and Samagan, where the plane was reportedly downed. Nadim said two opposition fighters were wounded and at least 39 Taliban fighters were killed. The reports could not be independently confirmed. The Taliban control about 95 percent of the country. During a generation of civil war, hundreds of thousands of Afghans have sought shelter in villages and in neighboring countries, mostly Pakistan, Tajikistan and Iran. However, all three have closed their borders at the request of the United States. That has left tens of thousands of destitute Afghans stranded on their side of the three borders, many without enough food. ``The fear of military attacks on Afghanistan has caused a mass movement of people toward the borders,'' Amnesty International said Friday. ``It is imperative that the international community take responsibility for this and urgently address the unfolding humanitarian crisis.'' The situation is also grim in Kabul. Doctors at the city's Children's Hospital said the number of patients has fallen dramatically because families have take them from the dilapidated clinic, presumably because the families plan to flee the capital. ``We have only one week's worth of medicine left because the borders are closed,'' said Dr. Saleh Rehman Rehmani. ``I am worried what will happen once the fighting starts.'' Standing in a hallway of the hospital, he said: ``I appeal to America that its mighty forces should not attack this impoverished country.'' *COPYRIGHT NOTICE** In accordance with Title 17 U. S. C. Section 107, any copyrighted work in this message is distributed under fair use without profit or payment to those who have expressed a prior interest in receiving the included information for nonprofit research and educational purposes only.[Ref. http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/17/107.shtml ] Want to be on our lists? Write at [EMAIL PROTECTED] for a menu of our lists! A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A
[CTRL] Pentagon said to eye nuclear attack against terrorists
-Caveat Lector- WJPBR Email News List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Peace at any cost is a Prelude to War! Pentagon said to eye nuclear attack against terrorists WASHINGTON (Kyodo) The Defense Department has recommended to President George W. Bush the use of tactical nuclear weapons as a military option to retaliate for last week's terrorist attacks in the United States, diplomatic sources said Tuesday. It is unknown whether Bush has made any decision. Military analysts said the president is unlikely to opt for the use of nuclear weapons because doing so would generate a backlash from the international community and could even trigger revenge from the enemy involving weapons of mass destruction. However, the Pentagon's suggestion shows the determination of U.S. officials to retaliate for the first massive terrorist attacks on the U.S. mainland, the analysts said. The recommendation appears intended to deter terrorists, they said. On ABC television's This Week program Sunday, Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld refused to rule out the use of tactical nuclear weapons. Rumsfeld, who is notoriously tight-lipped with the press, avoided answering a question on whether their use could be ruled out. To a similar question, a Pentagon official also replied, We will not discuss operational and intelligence matters. The diplomatic sources said the Pentagon recommended using tactical nuclear weapons shortly after it became known that the terrorist attacks caused an unprecedented number of civilian casualties. On Sept. 11, hijackers seized four commercial U.S. aircraft. Two of the planes slammed into the twin towers of New York's World Trade Center, while a third hit the Pentagon near Washington. The fourth plane crashed outside Pittsburgh. More than 5,000 people were left dead or missing in the attacks. Tactical nuclear weapons have been developed to attack very specific targets. The military analysts said Pentagon officials are apparently thinking of using weapons that can reach and destroy terrorists hiding in an underground shelter, limiting damage to surrounding areas. In 1986, the U.S. conducted an air raid on Libya, attempting to target Col. Moammar Gadhafi. In 1998, Washington fired a cruise missile into Afghanistan in an attempt to kill Osama bin Laden. Analysts said that since these attempts failed, U.S. officials may be mulling the use of tactical nuclear weapons, which can cause much greater destruction than conventional weapons. The U.S. has indicated that it does not rule out the use of nuclear weapons if a country attacks the U.S., its allies, or its forces with chemical or biological weapons. *COPYRIGHT NOTICE** In accordance with Title 17 U. S. C. Section 107, any copyrighted work in this message is distributed under fair use without profit or payment to those who have expressed a prior interest in receiving the included information for nonprofit research and educational purposes only.[Ref. http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/17/107.shtml ] Want to be on our lists? Write at [EMAIL PROTECTED] for a menu of our lists! A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Emirates Cut Relations With Taliban
-Caveat Lector- WJPBR Email News List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Peace at any cost is a Prelude to War! Emirates Cut Relations With Taliban By TAREK AL-ISSAWI, Associated Press Writer DUBAI, United Arab Emirates (AP) - In a move that strengthens the United States' position in its hunt for Osama bin Laden (news - web sites), the United Arab Emirates cut relations Saturday with Afghanistan (news - web sites)'s Taliban government. A Saudi official said his kingdom was considering doing the same. The Emirates' decision came after the Persian Gulf state proved unable to persuade the Taliban to hand over bin Laden, the United States' prime suspect in Sept. 11's terror attacks, said the official Emirates News Agency. The Emirates' move - and Saudi Arabia's if it follows suit - leaves the Taliban ever more isolated in their showdown with the United States over surrendering bin Laden, a Saudi exile believed to operate from bases in Afghanistan. Saudi Arabia, Pakistan and the Emirates are the only nations to have recognized the Taliban, a hard-line Islamic militia that seized power in 1996. Islamabad has scaled back ties and pledged cooperation with the United States in action against Afghanistan. In Saudi Arabia, an official who spoke on condition of anonymity, said the kingdom also was ``discussing whether to sever ties with the Taliban.'' The official did not say when such a decision would be made. In 1998, Saudi Arabia announced without explanation that it was expelling the Afghan charge d'affaires in Riyadh and recalling its representative from Kabul. The Saudis never clarified whether that constituted a severing of ties or a downgrading. The Afghan charge d'affaires in Riyadh said at the time that the Saudi move came because his country was harboring bin Laden. Pakistan brought back its ambassador to Kabul two months ago and recalled most of the rest of its diplomatic staff and their families after the Sept. 11 attacks, Foreign Ministry spokesman Mohammed Riaz Khan said in Islamabad. Khan said Pakistan's embassy and consulate in Kabul now were operating with only a skeleton staff. A Taliban security guard at the Pakistan Embassy, however, said Saturday that the last Pakistani officials had packed up their computers, papers and other luggage the night before, and left in a convoy of vehicles for their home country across the border. ``Now the embassy is closed, and no Pakistani official is in Kabul,'' guard Akhter Mohammed said. In Islamabad, Khan said the Afghan Embassy in Pakistan has ``served as a window'' for the world with the Taliban. There, Taliban representatives can learn what the rest of the world asks and expects of them, Khan said. The Taliban have seldom appeared to take note when the outside world objects to their decisions, which are governed by an extremely strict interpretation of Islam. The leadership ignored an international outcry, for example, ahead of its March destruction of 1,500 statues of Buddha, which it said were forbidden idols. The cutting of ties over bin Laden increases pressure on the Taliban government, which the United States has repeatedly condemned as an alleged supporter of terrorism. The Taliban militia ``has become a liability on all the countries that recognized it. I expect the Saudis, and even Pakistan, to take similar steps,'' Abdul Khaleq Abdulla, a political analyst on Gulf affairs in the United Arab Emirates, said. Abdulla said Saudi Arabia must consider its interests as it decides where it stands with the Taliban, and ``those interests lie in stepping away from the Taliban, whose actions have become unacceptable.'' The Emirates has strongly condemned the attacks in the United States and said it would support the fight against terrorism. Saturday's decision to cut relations takes immediate effect, and embassy staff were ordered to leave the country within 24 hours, the Emirates News Agency quoted an unidentified official as saying. The Afghan embassy in Abu Dhabi was considered closed, said the agency. Neither Emirates' officials nor Taliban diplomats in the Emirates could be reached for comment. Most countries recognize the government-in-exile of President Burhanuddin Rabbani, whose forces control only 5 percent of Afghanistan. In 1999, the Emirates downgraded its relations with the Taliban, after the Security Council imposed sanctions on Afghanistan for its refusal to hand over bin Laden, who was also blamed for deadly bombings on U.S. embassies in Kenya and Tanzania in 1998. *COPYRIGHT NOTICE** In accordance with Title 17 U. S. C. Section 107, any copyrighted work in this message is distributed under fair use without profit or payment to those who have expressed a prior interest in receiving the included information for nonprofit research and educational purposes only.[Ref. http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/17/107.shtml ] Want to be on our lists? Write at [EMAIL PROTECTED] for a menu of our lists! A
[CTRL] US planes land in ex-Soviet bases for possible Afghan attack
-Caveat Lector- WJPBR Email News List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Peace at any cost is a Prelude to War! Sunday September 23, 12:34 AM US planes land in ex-Soviet bases for possible Afghan attack TASHKENT, Sept 22 (AFP) - US warplanes have landed in the former Soviet republic of Uzbekistan as Russian President Vladimir Putin, after an extended silence, voiced readiness to cooperate with US plans to strike Afghanistan -- but only after they are approved by the UN Security Council. Uzbek military sources, speaking on condition of anonymity, told AFP on Saturday that the US jets were stationed just outside the Uzbek capital Tashkent and were equipped with surveillance devices, presumably aimed at Afghanistan's ruling Taliban militia just to the south. The sources refused to disclose the number of aircraft or when they had arrived, although Uzbek officials had previously denied that they were willing to cooperate with a US attack in reprisal for the Taliban's refusal to hand over suspected terrorist Osama bin Laden. It has further emerged that heavily armed US attack helicopters are still stationed on a military base some 40 kilometers (25 miles) east of Tashkent, following joint NATO-Uzbek military exercises in the region this month. US use of former Soviet bases has been busily debated in Moscow, which has pronounced itself ready to join a world anti-terrorism campaign, but still worries that NATO forces will permanently root themselves in the lucrative Central Asian region should Russia agree to a joint attack. In a sign that the two sides were starting to bridge their positions, Putin and US President George W. Bush held a 40-minute telephone consultation on the issue late Saturday Moscow time, although the Kremlin refused to disclose any details of the talks. The Russian leader -- whose generals have previously refused to grant US troops any access to Central Asian countries labeled by Moscow as the near abroad -- emerged from a near-silence at his Black Sea retreat to voice a mixed message for Washington. Putin was further holding late-night consultations on the crisis with his most senior security officers at the Sochi base late Saturday, senior Kremlin sources told AFP. Earlier, speaking ahead of his Tuesday visit to Berlin, Putin hinted in an interview to Germany's ARD television that while Russia was cautious, it was willing to negotiate a joint response to the terror strikes in the United States. This does not mean that we cannot discuss such questions together with our partners, think about the possible reaction to the terrorist acts, said Putin in remarks aired nationwide on Moscow television on Saturday. Putin said Russia's possible level of participation would be decided based on the level and character of our partnership with the US and NATO. These comments coincided with those recently made by senior Russian officials, who claim to have Putin's ear, who in private said that Moscow would be willing to offer its full cooperation in a new US war should Russia be accepted as a member of NATO. The same senior Russian officials have said that NATO discussions were far more important than any debates on US plans to build a missile defense shield, an issue that has been the top priority for talks between Moscow and Washington for months. *COPYRIGHT NOTICE** In accordance with Title 17 U. S. C. Section 107, any copyrighted work in this message is distributed under fair use without profit or payment to those who have expressed a prior interest in receiving the included information for nonprofit research and educational purposes only.[Ref. http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/17/107.shtml ] Want to be on our lists? Write at [EMAIL PROTECTED] for a menu of our lists! A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF
[CTRL] US toll put at 6,818 as countries report more missing
-Caveat Lector- WJPBR Email News List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Peace at any cost is a Prelude to War! Sunday September 23, 4:52 AM US toll put at 6,818 as countries report more missing NEW YORK, Sept 22 (AFP) - The death toll from the attacks on the United States stood at 6,818 Saturday after 11 more bodies were pulled from the ruins of the World Trade Center. New York Mayor Rudy Giuliani said Friday the number of missing could still fluctuate as officials cross check reports of missing people. More than 60 countries have now reported citizens dead or missing, mostly in New York, one of the world's most cosmopolitan cities. But despite continuing round-the-clock rescue efforts, there was now next to no chance of pulling survivors from the rubble of the World Trade Center. UNITED STATES officials have given tallies that add up to 6,818 dead or missing in all the attacks of September 11, but they have still not established the total number of their nationals among the victims 11 days after the attack. In New York, 6,585 people were killed or listed as missing from the World Trade Center disaster (comprising 252 confirmed dead and 6,333 missing, presumed dead). Workers have identified 183 bodies, including those of 34 firemen. At the Pentagon, 189 people are confirmed dead or missing. So far, 117 bodies have been recovered, of which 52 have been identified as of Friday. The Department of Defense said search and recovery operations would continue. The missing figure at both sites include the 157 passengers and crew of the two hijacked aircraft that crashed into the World Trade Center and the 64 on the one that flew into the Pentagon. Adding the 44 on the hijacked plane that crashed in Pennsylvania, the number of people on the four planes is given as 265. (American Airlines flight 11, the first to hit the twin towers of the WTC, was carrying 92 passengers and crew; United Airlines flight 175, which hit the second tower, had 65 people on board; American Airlines flight 77, which crashed into the Pentagon, was carrying 64 people; and United Airlines 93, which crashed in Pennsylvania without reaching its target, had 44 on board.) ARGENTINA said four of its nationals were missing. AUSTRALIA said three of its nationals were confirmed dead. Another 20 who were in the top floors of the World Trade Center were missing, presumed dead, and consular staff in Canberra and New York were looking for another 32 Australians reported as missing. AUSTRIA said around 40 of its nationals were missing. BANGLADESH said at least 50 Bangladeshis were presumed killed in the carnage at the World Trade Center, where many worked in restaurants and offices. BELGIUM said one of its nationals was missing. BRAZIL said at least 55 of its nationals were missing. BRITAIN lost around 250 of its citizens, according to New York Mayor Rudolph Giuliani. BULGARIA said that one of its citizens was missing. CAMBODIA said some 20 of its nationals were missing following the attacks. CANADA said three of its nationals were confirmed dead and between 25 and 35 were still missing. CHILE's New York consulate said two of its nationals were missing and feared dead, although more than 250 have been reported missing by relatives. CHINA said two Chinese nationals were killed and another was missing. A man and woman, both in their 60s, died aboard the plane that crashed into the Pentagon. Chinese authorities originally said three people had died, but the foreign ministry revised the figure, saying that a man, Chen Xiaobing, had been rescued from the lower floors of the building. A 41-year-old Chinese was reported missing. COLOMBIA's consulate in New York said two of its nationals were killed -- one aboard an American Airlines plane that slammed into the side of the twin towers -- while 10 others were missing. Earlier, Colombia's Red Cross had said that 295 people were reported missing. While 17 people worked in the twin towers, others may have been present in the area at the time. The CZECH REPUBLIC said 56 of its citizens who had been in the United States were unaccounted for. Of those, up to 15 were thought to have been in New York or Washington at the time of the attacks, according to the foreign ministry. DENMARK's foreign ministry said that all of its citizens previously reported missing had turned up safe and sound and that there had therefore been no Danish casualties. The DOMINICAN REPUBLIC said one citizen, a paramedic, was found dead and 33 were missing, according to the country's consulate in New York. ECUADOR listed seven citizens as dead, including one who was a passenger on a hijacked airliner, and 29 missing. EGYPT's ambassador to the United States said four Egyptians were feared dead. EL SALVADOR said one of its citizens died on one of the hijacked planes, and up to 100 more were missing. FINLAND said that none of its nationals were missing. FRANCE said a small number of its nationals working in the World Trade Center
[CTRL] Bush Ready to Sign Executive Order
-Caveat Lector- WJPBR Email News List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Peace at any cost is a Prelude to War! Bush Ready to Sign Executive Order By CHRISTOPHER NEWTON, Associated Press Writer WASHINGTON (AP) - President Bush (news - web sites) and Russian President Vladimir Putin (news - web sites) talked extensively Saturday about the global ``battle with terror'' as the United States prepared for military action. Bush said the U.S. economy has suffered shock waves from the Sept. 11 terrorist attacks but remains fundamentally strong. ``We're still the greatest nation on the face of the Earth, and no terrorist will ever be able to decide our fate,'' Bush said in his weekly radio address. He met with advisers at Camp David this weekend as the Pentagon (news - web sites) ordered ships and planes to the Middle East and thousands of reservists stepped back into uniform. B-52s departed Saturday from Barksdale Air Force Base in Louisiana. The president will soon sign an executive order naming terrorist organizations and specific terrorists around the world and freezing their U.S. assets, said a senior administration official, speaking on condition of anonymity. The official would not say whether the order would list terrorist groups beyond al-Qaida, the network controlled by Osama bin Laden (news - web sites). Putin and Bush conferred by phone, their third such conversation since Sept. 11. The White House depicted the call as one in a series to discuss a united front against terrorism. ``The president appreciates President Putin's engagement and support in the fight against terrorism,'' White House spokeswoman Jeanie Mamo said. Putin huddled with his national security advisers, and made an appearance on Russian television. ``We have always been initiators of the effort to unite the forces of the international community in the battle with terror. If we want to win there is no other way,'' Putin said. ``We must unite forces of all civilized society.'' In his radio address, Bush spoke of the wounded economy, which many economists believe is guaranteed to slip into recession. ``Our economy has had a shock. Many workers lost their jobs this week, especially in the airline and hospitality industries, in restaurants and in tourism, as companies struggle to remain afloat,'' he said. ``I applaud those companies who are making extra efforts to avoid laying off workers even during difficult times. Many Americans have also seen the value of their stocks decline. Yet, for all these challenges, the American economy is fundamentally strong.'' The United States and the Taliban leadership of Afghanistan (news - web sites) appeared locked on a path toward conflict. Afghanistan's ambassador to Pakistan, Abdul Salam Zaeef, said Saturday an unmanned spy plane was shot down over Tashgurgan Pass in Afghanistan's northern Samangan province by Taliban soldiers armed with Russian-made anti-aircraft weapons. ``We are still trying to ascertain what country this plane belongs to,'' Zaeef said. A Pentagon spokesman, Lt. Col. Mike Milord, would not comment on the report. ``As the secretary of defense has said, we will not discuss any operational issues,'' he said. ``We will not respond to each and every statement of the Taliban.'' En route to the region from the United States were a third aircraft carrier, B-52 bombers, warships capable of launching ground-attack Tomahawk cruise missiles and jet fighters. The air war would be directed by Lt. Gen. Charles Wald, who flew last week to Prince Sultan Air Base in Saudi Arabia. Saudi Arabia's foreign minister was in Washington last week for consultations, and U.S. officials said the kingdom was cooperating with U.S. requests. The United States has ``a command and control center with Saudi Arabia. It's up and running and it's operational,'' a senior U.S. official said Saturday. The nation of Turkey sent a letter to Washington agreeing to let transport plane use its airspace and airports. More than 50 U.S. and British jets are based on Incirlik air base in southern Turkey. The president chaired a national security meeting Saturday via teleconference. With him at Camp David were national security adviser Condoleezza Rice (news - web sites), chief of staff Andrew Card and CIA (news - web sites) Director George Tenet. On Sunday, Bush planned to join Marines at the presidential retreat to help return U.S. flags to full staff for the first time since the attacks. The country is still reeling from the attacks that destroyed the World Trade Center and damaged the Pentagon at a probable cost of more than 6,000 lives. On Friday night, entertainers from Tom Hanks to Bruce Springsteen united for an extraordinary televised benefit to raise money for victims. It was shown on more than 30 TV networks, including all the six biggest broadcasters - ABC, CBS, NBC, Fox, UPN and WB - simultaneously. Wall Street closed out a horrendous week in which the Dow Jones industrial average lost 1,369.70 points, its
[CTRL] NY Post Columnist Blasts U.N.
-Caveat Lector- WJPBR Email News List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Peace at any cost is a Prelude to War! NY Post Columnist Blasts U.N. Susan Jones, CNSNews.com Friday, Sept. 21, 2001 The U.N. building towers over the East River like a giant middle finger aimed at our shores, writes the New York Post's Andrea Peyser in what a diplomat might call a frank and forthright column in Friday's newspaper. It's time for the United Nations to get the hell out of town, she writes, venting her fury at an organization that functions as an international megaphone through which every Third World dictatorship vents its fury at our way of life. Peyser wonders, in the wake of the Sept. 11 terrorist attacks, why the U.N. is so uncharacteristically quiet. But where are the resolutions? The outrage? The deep, heartfelt expressions of regret? Not here. Not now. And certainly not for us. In an op-ed piece in Friday's New York Times, U.N. Secretary General Kofi Annan describes the terrorist strikes as an attack on all humanity, and he says he has expressed the complete solidarity of the United Nations with Americans in their grief. He notes that the U.N. Security Council and the General Assembly have joined him in condemning the attacks and voted to support actions taken against those responsible. Of this solidarity, let no one be in doubt. Anan says the United Nations is uniquely positioned to advance the effort to defeat common enemies. However, he warns against targeting peoples and regions because of the unspeakable acts of individuals. While the world must recognize that there are enemies common to all societies, it must equally understand that they are not, are never, defined by religion or national descent. Healso said the world must address the conditions that permit the growth of such hatred and depravity, and he specifically mentions the ills of conflict, ignorance, poverty, and disease. *COPYRIGHT NOTICE** In accordance with Title 17 U. S. C. Section 107, any copyrighted work in this message is distributed under fair use without profit or payment to those who have expressed a prior interest in receiving the included information for nonprofit research and educational purposes only.[Ref. http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/17/107.shtml ] Want to be on our lists? Write at [EMAIL PROTECTED] for a menu of our lists! A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] 21 September 2001 Federalist Edition #01-38
-Caveat Lector- WJPBR Email News List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Peace at any cost is a Prelude to War! THE FEDERALIST(r) DIGEST The Conservative e-Journal of Record * Veritas Vos Liberabit * 21 September 2001 Federalist Edition #01-38 Friday Digest *To change your e-mail format to text, HTML or Adobe PDF (as an attachment) Link to -- http://www.federalist.com/subscribe/myformat.asp?[EMAIL PROTECTED] *To retrieve today's Digest as HTML printer-friendly text or PDF Link to -- http://www.Federalist.com/current2001.asp *To purchase a book from the Patriot's Library, link to -- http://www.federalist.com/books.asp *To support or sponsor an edition of The Federalist, link to -- http://www.Federalist.com/support.asp CONTENTS: The Foundation Federalist Perspective __O__ THE FOUNDATION Our contest is not only whether we ourselves shall be free, but whether there shall be left to mankind an asylum on earth for civil and religious liberty. --Samuel Adams __O__ FEDERALIST PERSPECTIVE In the news this week, President George Bush addressed the nation Thursday night in what was one of the most important speeches in recent history (the text of which we will publish in full in Monday's Brief). Unleashing Operation Infinite Justice, the first military phase of a long-term terrorist eradication effort called Operation Noble Eagle, President Bush emphatically stated that this will not be a nicely packaged 100 hour assault on a well-defined adversary, but a conflict which will include casualties and sacrifices. The key points of the president's address: Tonight we are a country awakened to danger and called to defend freedom. Our grief has turned to anger, and anger to resolution. Whether we bring our enemies to justice, or bring justice to our enemies, justice will be done. ... [Afghanistan will] deliver to United States authorities all the leaders of al-Qaida who hide in your land. ... Close immediately and permanently every terrorist training camp in Afghanistan and hand over every terrorist, and every person in their support structure, to appropriate authorities. Give the United States full access to terrorist training camps, so we can make sure they are no longer operating. These demands are not open to negotiation or discussion. The Taliban must act and act immediately. They will hand over the terrorists, or they will share in their fate. ... Our enemy is a radical network of terrorists, and every government that supports them. Our war on terror begins with al-Qaida, but it does not end there. It will not end until every terrorist group of global reach has been found, stopped, and defeated. ... By sacrificing human life to serve their radical visions -- by abandoning every value except the will to power -- they follow in the path of fascism, and Nazism, and totalitarianism. And they will follow that path all the way, to where it ends: in history's unmarked grave of discarded lies. [Not to mention Communism!] ... From this day forward, any nation that continues to harbor or support terrorism will be regarded by the United States as a hostile regime. ... As long as the United States of America is determined and strong, this will not be an age of terror; this will be an age of liberty, here and across the world. . ... I will not forget this wound to our country, or those who inflicted it. I will not yield -- I will not rest -- I will not relent in waging this struggle for the freedom and security of the American people. The course of this conflict is not known, yet its outcome is certain. Freedom and fear, justice and cruelty, have always been at war, and we know that God is not neutral between them. Our first observation -- thank God for the votes, ironically, of those active duty military personnel who put George Bush over the top in Florida last year! And second, several members of The Federalist Editorial Board -- and many of our readers -- will play significant roles in Operation Infinite Justice. To them and all of our fellow patriot warriors, we say God Bless You! It is difficult to defend against an enemy who is largely undefined. It is more difficult to take effective offensive action against that enemy. Osama bin Laden's terrorist organization, al-Qaida, is really a worldwide network of allied terrorist cells with state support primarily from Iraq, Iran, Syria, Libya, Pakistan and Afghanistan. This enemy has no borders, and the war, no well-defined fronts. Despite the media's fascination with the New War on America, there is nothing new about it, except, of course, we are far less prepared -- both defensively and offensively -- than we were a decade ago. Suicide bombers fulfilling Jihad are not new. Nor is a threatening network of terror new; indeed, some elements of this one are merely recycled Red terrorists who found new employment as reincarnated Islamic extremists. The assault on our nation September 11th was unannounced, and, more
[CTRL] AF News 22 Sep 01
-Caveat Lector- WJPBR Email News List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Peace at any cost is a Prelude to War! 1342. Secretary, chief of staff: A higher calling awaits by Master Sgt. Rick Burnham Air Force Print News WASHINGTON -- When he took the reins of the U.S. Air Force chief of staff Sept. 6, Gen. John Jumper hardly could have imagined what the future would hold. That a ruthless band of terrorists would attack in less than a week ... that he and wife, Ellen, would attend a stirring presidential address to the Congress, essentially declaring war on terrorists everywhere ... that his Air Force would likely play a key role in that war. Yet, those were the realities as the new chief of staff spoke before a group of more than 100 Air Staff officer and enlisted people Sept. 21 at the Pentagon. The general, formerly commander of Air Combat Command at Langley Air Force Base, Va., was introduced by Dr. James Roche, secretary of the Air Force. The events of last week opened up a period for us in the Air Force where we have to adapt what we do well to the circumstances and threats we face, said the secretary. I can tell you that we are blessed that we have a terrific team, and a terrific uniformed leader in John Jumper, to get the job done. I have the greatest confidence in him, and I think, together with you, he will serve our country very well in the years to come. Following his introduction by the secretary, Jumper spoke of the events of the week before, saying that the world changed for everyone on Sept. 11. We're in a different mode, he said. The president said it better than anyone else could -- we are going to march forward in a very determined way. The U.S. Air Force, he added, is ready for the challenge. We were on a very great path already, he said. In 1997, General Ryan said we're going to take this AEF idea and make it work for the whole Air Force. So we've been in this period of transition for an extended period of time, and in doing so we've made ourselves ready for the events that confront us today. It helps, he added, that the entire country is now once again behind the U.S. armed forces, with a single objective in mind: eradicate terrorism and the people and organizations who generate it. Sitting with the Joint Chiefs of Staff during President Bush's Sept. 20 address to Congress, he saw firsthand the solidarity behind this most important cause. If there is any one place where you can feel the power of the nation's work, it's in that body, he said. And what you saw was a very diverse group of people come together behind the president. The president's speech, he said, was extremely effective, for a very simple reason. His heart is in this, Jumper said. You get the feeling there is a passion involved in this ... there is nothing clinical about it. Of course, we're used to that. We do business on that basis all the time, or we would not be wearing the suit. But the nation has it now. You get this profound sense that we have just crossed this very difficult bridge ... civilians are now as much a target as people in uniform. It's frightening, but it's also galvanizing. The whole nation is looking at us in uniform to do the nation's business. Is there any higher calling than that? I don't think so. Then, turning to Roche, Mr. Secretary, I am proud to be a part of this team. We have before us today, the greatest Air Force in the world. And we are soon going to be able to demonstrate that fact once again. We will soon have to go into harm's way once again, and the men and women of the U.S. Air Force are going to make it happen. It is going to be magnificent, because we're going to do it standing side-by-side. Down the road, the general said, today's airmen are going to look back at this time with pride. The things you tend to look back on are the things most important to you, he said. I can't remember every year I got a pay raise, but I remember the 11th of September. 1341. Jumper addresses terrorist attacks by Tech. Sgt. Dee Ann Poole 509th Bomb Wing Public Affairs WHITEMAN AIR FORCE BASE, Mo. (AFPN) -- Gen. John P. Jumper, Air Force chief of staff, and Chief Master Sgt. of the Air Force Jim Finch visited here Sept. 20 to update the base's people about America's response to the Sept. 11 terrorist attacks on the World Trade Center and Pentagon. I'm here to tell you what's going on, and thank you for what you're doing for your nation, Jumper said. The terrorists tried to unnerve America but were not successful, he said. What they don't understand is that hitting our symbols isn't the same as hitting our spirit, and our spirit can't be squelched, said Jumper, who was in the Pentagon when it was hit by American Airlines Flight 77. The attack took 189 lives, including 64 on the plane. We're going to take care of business in a profound way. We're going to teach the people of the world that America's spirit is unbreakable, Jumper said, earning cheers from the base's people. Jumper reminded
[CTRL] Let's All Apologize
-Caveat Lector- WJPBR Email News List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Peace at any cost is a Prelude to War! Let's All Apologize By Chuck Baldwin September 21, 2001 What did Jerry Falwell say that was so awful? It must have been something terrible. After all, Pat Robertson, Cal Thomas, Rush Limbaugh, even President Bush vehemently condemned what he said. Whatever he said must have been truly nasty because he quickly apologized. I hope he is now back in the good graces of all concerned. Of course, what he said was that the sins and wickedness of people in our nation are causing God to remove His hand of protection from our nation. He specifically mentioned homosexuals, lesbians, feminists, and others. This swiftly brought the wrath of Christian leaders, not to mention the White House, down upon him. Well, I am glad that is all cleared up because I had been taught all my life that God did indeed govern in the affairs of men and that whatsoever men sowed, they also reaped. I was also taught that America was founded as one nation under God. In addition, I had previously been led to believe that righteousness exalted a nation and sin brought a nation to ruin. I am glad to learn, now, how wrong I was, while there is time to correct my misgivings. I am sure if George Washington were alive he, too, would want to apologize. After all, he once said, Of all the dispositions and habits, which lead to political prosperity, Religion and Morality are indispensable supports. In vain would that man claim the tribute of Patriotism, who should labor to subvert these great pillars of human happiness, these firmest props of the duties of Men and Citizens. Of course, we now know that religion and morality have no bearing whatsoever upon human happiness and offer no support to political prosperity. Thomas Jefferson, too, would want to apologize today if he could. After all, he once said, And can the liberties of a nation be thought secure when we have removed their only firm basis, a conviction in the minds of the people that these liberties are the gift of God? That they are not to be violated but with His wrath? Indeed, I tremble for my country when I reflect that God is just; that His justice cannot sleep forever. Of course, we now know that there is no reason to tremble before a just God; He judges not nations nor holds them accountable for their sins. I am sure that Jonathan Edwards would like to retract his famous sermon that ignited the Great Awakening, Sinners in the Hands of an Angry God. We now know that God never angers and that spiritual awakening is not even necessary. Yes, it is good to learn that we are on our own, that God is indifferent to our sin. It is good to know that those stories about Old Testament Israel hold no bearing for nations today. Yes, I take great comfort in realizing that all I had been taught is erroneous and irrelevant. Therefore, I, too, must apologize. I apologize to my children and to my church congregation. I apologize to my readers and to my radio audience. I have erred; I taught you what I was taught. Now we all know better. I wonder if God knows. *COPYRIGHT NOTICE** In accordance with Title 17 U. S. C. Section 107, any copyrighted work in this message is distributed under fair use without profit or payment to those who have expressed a prior interest in receiving the included information for nonprofit research and educational purposes only.[Ref. http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/17/107.shtml ] Want to be on our lists? Write at [EMAIL PROTECTED] for a menu of our lists! A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] For China, Terrorism Fight a Double-Edged Sword
-Caveat Lector- WJPBR Email News List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Peace at any cost is a Prelude to War! S T R A T F O R THE GLOBAL INTELLIGENCE COMPANY http://www.stratfor.com ___ 20 September 2001 THE GLOBAL INTELLIGENCE REPORT ___ For China, Terrorism Fight a Double-Edged Sword Summary Beijing has offered to share information on suspected terrorists with Washington as part of a proposed anti-terrorism coalition. Meanwhile, Chinese officials have asked Washington to provide concrete evidence before striking back at those suspected of planning and assisting the Sept. 11 attacks in the United States. Chinese officials are torn between joining international cooperation -- which could help to prevent similar attacks in China -- and fears that any unilateral responses by Washington could trigger a wider war that could spread through Asia. Analysis Speaking at a conference of Asian and European police officials Sept. 19, Jia Chunwang, China's minister of public security, said China was committed to the international battle against terrorism. Jia's comments followed those of another ministry official who warned that countries should not disregard international law when launching attacks under the pretext of 'anti-terrorism.' Beijing's simultaneous offers of assistance and caution against unilateral actions will continue. Chinese officials are concerned that domestic Islamic separatism may intensify in the wake of the attacks on the United States and any counterstrikes by Washington. Although Beijing seeks international assistance and justification for its crackdown on the Islamic ethnic Uighurs in its western provinces, it fears Washington setting an international precedent for unilateral actions against sovereign nations, something that could work against China in the future. China's cooperation in the proposed coalition against terrorism opens the door to new forms of cooperation between Beijing and Washington, particularly in Southeast Asia. For Beijing such cooperation may also bolster China's efforts to quell the spread of militant groups from Central Asia into western China, where officials believe they have links to the Muslim Uighur population. Beijing recently intensified its crackdown on potential Uighur separatists in the northwestern Xinjiang province, particularly under the guise of the Strike Hard campaign, which is meant to counter the rise of violent criminal groups. Uighur communities have been targeted in other areas of the country as well. In 1999, government officials razed the traditional Xinjiang Village in Beijing under the guise of street improvement. It is not only the Uighurs that concern Beijing. Recently violence broke out in the eastern Shandong province, after a shopkeeper's display of Halal Pork offended the local Muslim community. Police opened fire on a group of nearly 300 ethnic Hui Muslims from nearby Hebei province who had come to protest; five were killed and several injured, according to reports from the Information Center for Human Rights and Democracy. Beijing also keeps a wary eye on southern Yunnan province, where the government fears the spread of Islamic militancy from Southeast Asia. China has long been criticized for its human rights practices, particularly against minority ethnic and religious groups. Beijing hopes to gain international assistance and even support for its crackdown on potential and suspected Islamic separatists and militants. But such cooperation is not without risks. Because there is no internationally recognized definition of terrorism, Chinese interpretations can differ markedly from those of the United States. To Beijing the Dalai Lama could be considered a terrorist or separatist for giving moral support to Tibetan independence movements. Yet to Washington, China's own actions in Tibet could be viewed in a similar way. For Beijing, then, participating with an anti-terrorism coalition minimizes the chances of Washington's definitions and retaliations becoming the accepted global norm. Beijing fears the coalition against terrorism could evolve into a coalition against any number of things, which could eventually lead to interference in China's own internal political issues. Even more pressing for China, however, is preventing the United States from triggering a broader Islamic militant war. Regional media have already linked the Uighurs to Osama bin Laden and Pakistani militants, and China has long worried that they have ties to other Central Asian groups. With major Islamic communities spread around the nation, Beijing wants to avoid a repeat of the attacks in New York City and Washington in Shanghai or Beijing. ___ *COPYRIGHT NOTICE** In accordance with
[CTRL] 19 September 2001 Federalist Edition #01-38
-Caveat Lector- WJPBR Email News List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Peace at any cost is a Prelude to War! THE FEDERALIST(r) CHRONICLE The Conservative e-Journal of Record * Veritas Vos Liberabit * 19 September 2001 Federalist Edition #01-38 Wednesday Chronicle *To change your e-mail format to text, HTML or Adobe PDF (as an attachment) Link to -- http://www.federalist.com/subscribe/myformat.asp?[EMAIL PROTECTED] *To purchase a book from the Patriot's Library, link to -- http://www.federalist.com/books.asp *To support or sponsor an edition of The Federalist, link to -- http://www.Federalist.com/support.asp CONTENTS: The Foundation Insight Upright Editorial Exegesis Dezinformatsia Leftovers Village Idiots Short Cuts Editor's Note __O__ PUBLISHER'S NOTE Attention readers who link to our site to retrieve PDF and HTML formats: Our format server is down for maintenance. Please check back Wednesday afternoon to retrieve the preferred formats. __O__ THE FOUNDATION I will not believe our labours are lost. I shall not die without a hope that light and liberty are on steady advance. And even should the cloud of barbarism and despotism again obscure the science and liberties of Europe, this country remains to preserve and restore light and liberty to them. In short, the flames kindled on the fourth of July seventeen hundred and seventy six have spread over too much of the globe to be extinguished by the feeble engines of despotism. --Thomas Jefferson __O__ INSIGHT If war is ever lawful, then peace is sometimes sinful. --C.S. Lewis ++ No one is safe by his own strength, but he is safe by the grace and mercy of God. --St. Cyprian ++ Those wars are unjust which are undertaken without provocation. For only a war waged for revenge or defense can be just. --Cicero ++ How merrily we headed for catastrophe! --Albert Speer ++ Our worst days are never so bad that you are beyond the reach of God's grace. And your best days are never so good that you are beyond the need of God's grace. --Jerry Bridges ++ Little progress can be made by merely attempting to repress what is evil; our great hope lies in developing what is good. --Calvin Coolidge Victory at all costs, victory in spite of all terror, victory however long and hard the road may be; for without victory there is no survival. --Sir Winston Churchill __O__ UPRIGHT The way to deal with this problem is not to suddenly become a police state and say we are not going to be free and we are not going to go about our lives. We are going to go after the people who are posing this very serious danger and that's what we need to do. --DefSec Donald Rumsfeld ++ This is a war that has been launched against the United States and we need to understand that, but we do not need to cease being the United States of America in response to these attacks. --AG John Ashcroft ++ The administration has steadily moved in the right direction...from talking about justice to talking about victory...from talking about criminals to talking about enemies and...from talking about retribution to talking about defeating. These are very important changes. --Newt Gingrich ++ We are placing tremendous trust in our president to pursue our enemies as our commander-in-chief but Congress must remain vigilant as to not allow our civil liberties here at home to be eroded. The temptation will be great to sacrifice our freedoms for what may seem to be more security. We must resist this temptation. --Rep. Ron Paul ++ Clinton should be vilified. Perjury is one thing. Rendering inoperable our country's defenses against terrorism is high treason. --Paul Craig Roberts ++ War nearly always serves as an occasion for serious expansions of state power and the destruction of legal protections. --Joseph Sobran ++ In the midst of so much carnage, compassion and courage, congressional cowardice is shameful. --Oliver North ++ What happened Tuesday was unimaginably horrific. What happens the next time could be worse. --Steve Chapman ++ We do not need to 'neutralize' or 'punish' or even 'apprehend' terrorists. We need to kill them. Perhaps our greatest national weakness is our short attention span, and I fear that, in a surprisingly short time, we will forget our just anger. --Ralph Peters ++ Did you want us to respect your cause? You just damned your cause. Did you want to make us fear? You just steeled our resolve. Did you want to tear us apart? You just brought us together. ... You don't know my people. You don't know what we're about. You don't know what you just started. But you're about to learn. --Leonard Pitts ++ The job of the Secret Service is to keep the president of the United States alive, not satisfy the silly little social concerns of Peter Jennings or others in the media. --Rush Limbaugh ++ Barbara Olson was one of freedom's warriors. A Texan who
[CTRL] What is Islam?
-Caveat Lector- What Is Islam? Its name implies peace, but it preaches Holy War - so what kind of religion is it? by Paul Vallely 20 September 2001 http://news.independent.co.uk/world/middle_east/story.jsp?story=94977 It seems a long time now since the American political scientist Francis Fukuyama announced the End of History. It was not long after the Berlin Wall had fallen. The Cold War was over. Capitalism had triumphed. There were to be no more conflicts, just the playing out of humankind's increasing prosperity. Even then there were sceptics. Another American theorist, Samuel Huntington, pronounced that the great conflict of the 21st century would in fact be played out along the fault line of the tectonic plates on which Islamic and Western civilisation co-existed so uneasily. In the search for a new enemy after the collapse of Communism, the alien dispensation of Mohammedanism to use a term which Muslims hate appeared as promising a candidate as any. To non-Muslims, time has only seemed to give additional credence to the notion. First there was the Rushdie affair which raised the spectre of Islam as a threat to hard-won post-Enlightenment Western liberal values. Then the expressions of support by some British Muslims for Saddam Hussein during the Gulf war went further, creating the image of the UK's two million Muslims as potential subversives a deadly time bomb ticking in our midst. And now Islamic fanatics have perpetrated the biggest terrorist atrocity of modern times. Extremists, terrorists, fanatics the descriptions vary but the constant always is the adjective Islamic which precedes them. So is there non-Muslims wonder something fundamental about Islam which makes it incompatible with Western values of democracy and freedom? Are Muslims inevitably more likely to be, in the vocabulary of cosmic good and evil so beloved of President Bush, the bad guys? Certainly one might think so from the questions which one now hears being asked about Islam by nervous observers of current events. Many are questions born of ignorance; but, for that very reason, they are worth answering. Here are six of the most common. Why does Islam seem so confrontational, aggressive and intolerant? The sword has always figured prominently in Islamic history. Christianity may have been inaugurated by a man who seemingly failed in his worldly agenda, but the seventh-century Arab who founded Islam, the Prophet Muhammad, was a man who vanquished his enemies on the battlefield. In the centuries which followed, military conquest was the means by which Islam spread rapidly through the Middle East to Africa, Europe, the Indian subcontinent, the Malay Peninsula, and China. The traditions and law of Islam were thus formed during an era of success. Programmed for victory, it has no theology for failure or for being a minority. This undoubtedly heightens the sense of humiliation Muslims feel in an era of globalisation when Western power cultural, economic and military is increasingly unchallenged. Having said that, for almost half a millennium, under the Ottoman empire, the tone of Islam was one of civilised consolidation. It was also far more tolerant, of both Jews and Christians, than Christian Europe ever was of its minorities. In the 11th and 12th centuries, Muslim philosophy was the most sophisticated in the world. In Moorish Spain the governing mood was one of co-operation. In the centuries after, the attitude of Muslim conquerors to Hindus in India moderated by the growth of Sufism was far less narrow-minded than is often claimed. It is only with the growth of fundamentalism that the tone of intolerance has heightened, and many modern Muslims insist that the new practices of death-sentence fatwas and book-burning are unIslamic. Why is Islam so inflexible? Muslims believe that the Koran is the actual words of God, as dictated to the Prophet Muhammad by the Angel Gabriel. As such, not only is its Arabic language thought to be unsurpassed in purity and beauty (to imitate the style of the Koran is a sacrilege) but it is also the infallible word of God. That means that there is no room for the kind of interpretation common in Christianity and Judaism which sees the Bible as the revelation of God's purpose through the experiences, minds and pens of men. The Koran cannot have been influenced by the circumstances under which it was revealed. It can contain no mistake. And it cannot be mitigated by any new discovery. What has been revealed by God is fixed and immutable. In the three centuries which followed the Prophet's death, attempts were allowed to interpret the Koran in the light of a changing world. The practice was known as ijtihad. But by the end of the ninth century Islam had been codified in legal manuals of The Shari'ah (The Way), a comprehensive code of behaviour that embraces both private and public activities. The gates of ijtihad were then closed. Islam became a rigid and static system in which
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[CTRL] Spy In The White House? Terrorists Had Ultra Secret Codes On 911
-Caveat Lector- Spy In The White House? Terrorists Had Ultra Secret Codes On 911 From DEBKA Intelligence Files © 2001 WorldNetDaily.com 9-22-1 Air Force One is next, read the message received by the U.S. Secret Service at 9 a.m. Sept. 11, after two hijacked planes struck the twin towers of the World Trade Center in New York. Three minutes later, Secret Service agents grabbed Vice President Dick Cheney from his seat opposite a television set in the White House and hustled him down to the president's emergency operations center, a bunker built to withstand a nuclear blast. The terrorists' message threatening Air Force One was transmitted in that day's top-secret White House code words. As the clock ticked away, the Secret Service reached a frightening conclusion: The terrorists had obtained the White House code and a whole set of top-secret signals. This made it possible for a hostile force to pinpoint the exact position of Air Force One, its destination and its classified procedures. In fact, the hijackers were picking up and deciphering the presidential plane's incoming and outgoing transmissions. The discovery shocked everyone in the president's emergency operations center ? Cheney, National Security Adviser Condoleezza Rice and Transportation Secretary Norman Mineta. Their first question was: How did the terrorists access top-secret White House codes and procedures? Is there a mole, or more than one enemy spy in the White House, the Secret Service, the FBI, the CIA or the Federal Aviation Administration? In the week after the attacks in New York and Washington, more hair-raising facts emerged. The terrorists had also obtained the code groups of the National Security Agency and were able to penetrate the NSA's state-of-the-art electronic surveillance systems. Indeed, they seemed to have at their disposal an electronic capability that was more sophisticated than that of the NSA. This startling observation came as no surprise to those tracking the globe-spanning investments of Saudi Arabia's bin Laden family and those of its exiled son, Osama, in some of the world's biggest and most advanced satellite and telecommunications companies. World Space Communication is one of the known bin Laden assets. U.S. counter-terrorism agencies, including the NSA, have been tracking World Space Communication's activities for the past five years. Some of the company's satellites are far more advanced than the NSA's own eyes in the sky. Bin Laden also has the NSA beat on the employment front, hiring the best computer experts on the market . One such is Nabil Khan Kani, a Syrian who lived in Barcelona with his Spanish wife, Jenna Florine, in the late 1980s and early 1990s. No one ever suspected what the amiable Syrian was really up to until January 2000, when FBI agents found two apartments he used thousands of miles from Barcelona, in the Bab el-Shabaa district of Saana, Yemen. The apartments served as transit points for Egyptians suspected of operational links with the Egyptian Islamic Jihad and Algerians connected with the Armed Islamic Group, or GIA. There, investigators turned up nine fake identity cards in different names, all with Kani's photo, Spanish, Italian, French and Sudanese passports, likewise with the same photo but in different names, and two pistols fitted with silencers. Kani must have used yet another alias for his getaway . His whereabouts are unknown to this day. Computer and terrorism experts suggest
Re: [CTRL] US planes land in ex-Soviet bases for possible Afghanattack
-Caveat Lector- FYI WJPBR Email News List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Peace at any cost is a Prelude to War! Sunday September 23, 12:34 AM US planes land in ex-Soviet bases for possible Afghan attack TASHKENT, Sept 22 (AFP) - US warplanes have landed in the former Soviet republic of Uzbekistan as Russian President Vladimir Putin, after an extended silence, voiced readiness to cooperate with US plans to strike Afghanistan -- but only after they are approved by the UN Security Council. Uzbek military sources, speaking on condition of anonymity, told AFP on Saturday that the US jets were stationed just outside the Uzbek capital Tashkent and were equipped with surveillance devices, presumably aimed at Afghanistan's ruling Taliban militia just to the south. The sources refused to disclose the number of aircraft or when they had arrived, although Uzbek officials had previously denied that they were willing to cooperate with a US attack in reprisal for the Taliban's refusal to hand over suspected terrorist Osama bin Laden. It has further emerged that heavily armed US attack helicopters are still stationed on a military base some 40 kilometers (25 miles) east of Tashkent, following joint NATO-Uzbek military exercises in the region this month. US use of former Soviet bases has been busily debated in Moscow, which has pronounced itself ready to join a world anti-terrorism campaign, but still worries that NATO forces will permanently root themselves in the lucrative Central Asian region should Russia agree to a joint attack. In a sign that the two sides were starting to bridge their positions, Putin and US President George W. Bush held a 40-minute telephone consultation on the issue late Saturday Moscow time, although the Kremlin refused to disclose any details of the talks. The Russian leader -- whose generals have previously refused to grant US troops any access to Central Asian countries labeled by Moscow as the near abroad -- emerged from a near-silence at his Black Sea retreat to voice a mixed message for Washington. Putin was further holding late-night consultations on the crisis with his most senior security officers at the Sochi base late Saturday, senior Kremlin sources told AFP. Earlier, speaking ahead of his Tuesday visit to Berlin, Putin hinted in an interview to Germany's ARD television that while Russia was cautious, it was willing to negotiate a joint response to the terror strikes in the United States. This does not mean that we cannot discuss such questions together with our partners, think about the possible reaction to the terrorist acts, said Putin in remarks aired nationwide on Moscow television on Saturday. Putin said Russia's possible level of participation would be decided based on the level and character of our partnership with the US and NATO. These comments coincided with those recently made by senior Russian officials, who claim to have Putin's ear, who in private said that Moscow would be willing to offer its full cooperation in a new US war should Russia be accepted as a member of NATO. The same senior Russian officials have said that NATO discussions were far more important than any debates on US plans to build a missile defense shield, an issue that has been the top priority for talks between Moscow and Washington for months. *COPYRIGHT NOTICE** In accordance with Title 17 U. S. C. Section 107, any copyrighted work in this message is distributed under fair use without profit or payment to those who have expressed a prior interest in receiving the included information for nonprofit research and educational purposes only.[Ref. http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/17/107.shtml ] Want to be on our lists? Write at [EMAIL PROTECTED] for a menu of our lists! A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL