[CTRL] The Imperial Bush We Feared
http://quicksitebuilder.cnet.com/sartrejp/WRACK/id50.html The Imperial Bush We Feared SARTRE - April 19, 2002 Gentleness and slack has been shown the President. Expectation for a successful administration has always been our hope. As time passes and events play out their twists and turns, the true nature of the man becomes visible. All leaders have flaws. Most seek to serve their own interests. But when a fatal fault is exposed, it instills fear and dread. The evidence for this conclusion, did not come from a detailed analysis of policies or their relative success or failures. This judgment comes from the literal meaning of his own words. Mr President, do you really believe what you said? His recent speech at VMI at the George C. Marshall ROTC awards, spoke directly on - a Call for the End of Terrorism. Public attention for this event was nowhere near the viewing of his address to the Nation after 911 or the last State of the Union message. But hidden within the text, is an insight into the man that cannot be denied. The opportunity to see the delivery of the message has an impact that a mere reading will not convey. This was one time that we, the people, could see the intensity in the heart and mind of the American President. As commander and chief, no doubt he was addressing a group of future warriors. But when he came to the crucial passage, the applause dropped off to a faint whimper. Is it possible that this audience understands the significance and implications of this mindset, while the public sees and hears only what it wishes to believe? " . . . Whenever global terror threatens the civilized world, we and our friends and our allies will respond decisively." (APPLAUSE) "Every nation that joins our cause is welcomed. Every nation that needs our help will have it. And no nation continues (pause) -- around the world the nations must choose: They are with us or they’re with the terrorists." Significantly, there was no applause from the audience. How did we get from: "You are either with us or against us", elevated to support for terrorism? Are you saying that no one can or should question U.S. government definitions and identification of a terrorist? Our justifiable national cry and mission was to hold the perpetrators of the tragic and wicked attacks of 911 on America accountable. We were told that al Qaeda was responsible for these criminal acts? We keep hearing that the network of this band of cowards has been effectively neutralized, even if not completely dismantled. So where does accountability end and elimination of ever potential adversary begin? Don't miss the subtle but crucial distinction. Most of the world supported a righteous effort to bring justice to those related to the crime. It is no surprise that intensity for that endorsement has dropped considerably, as Bush policy broadens the definition to include anyone who may threaten or even hate American presence. Moving to a state of perpetual and constant deployment, only guarantees a war of unending conflicts. Bush's zeal and passion for this task is evident for all to see. His determination to resurrect the "axis of evil" mantra, claiming a duty to confront and eradicate it, is akin to dropping a red flag in front of a bull. But you can't kill all the steers, unless you resort to the slaughterhouse approach. Terrorists are consumed with hate. They seek political turmoil. How do you eliminate this threat when it is based upon a demented willingness to strike where a society is most fragile? Proactive arrogance only breeds a more determined foe. So why does the American alter ego require a garrison mentality? Is there a hidden need to validate the manhood of the country? Why paint our house red and rouse the temper of an animal? Fences provide more safety, while rational effort are sought to neuter the beasts. If the attention of the deranged is directed away from a direct challenge, the matador is able to apply his deadly art . . . The progression is frightening, for we are less secure today because of this misguided strategy. How can one rid the world of all remnants of terror when a new bogeyman arises when needed? Terrorism is a tactic of the weak used against the strong. Who has more to lose when your enemy has nothing to risk? Isolating elements of terror, discrediting their sick hatred and a sober reflection on our projected image as an imperial tyrant, will place this task into the proper context. Now, Bush seeks to expand the list of enemies. He claims to preserve the peace and prosperity of Antoninus Pius, while maintaining an empire using the methods of Tiberius. He wants to return as victor in full view of Trajan's Column, while he confiscates our rights and severely taxes our resources for waging a global war. Nero will once again play his lyre, while America burns. Bush you are no Stoic philosopher like Marcus Aurelius, for you act more like Domitian, paranoid over ever possible enemy. For all your
[CTRL] Thierry Meyssan:Who Was Behind the September Eleventh Attacks?
http://www.rense.com/general24/frighteningfraud.htm Who Was Behind the September Eleventh Attacks? Presentation By Thierry Meyssan Author of the book: "11 Septembre 2001: l'Effroyable imposture" (Paris: Editions Carnot, 2002) 4-19-2 We present below a transcript of the presentation given by Thierry Meyssan on 8 April 2002 at the Zayed Center in Abu Dhabi (United Arab Emirates), at a gathering organized under the auspices Arab League and attended by the diplomatic corps and the international press corps. This presentation was followed by questions and answers, which are in the process of being transcribed and translated. Your Highness, Excellencies, Ladies and Gentlemen, In the first minutes following the first attack on the World Trade Center, officials suggested to the media that the person behind the attacks was Osama bn Laden, the epitome of Muslim fanaticism. Not long after, the recently appointed director of the FBI, Robert Mueller III, designated nineteen kamikazes by name and mobilized all the means at the disposal of his agency to track down their accomplices. The FBI thus never undertook any investigation but, instead, organized a man hunt, which, in the eyes much of the United States public, quickly took on the appearance of an Arab hunt. This reached such a pitch that people were incited to attack - even kill - Arabs whom they naively considered collectively responsible for the attacks. There was no investigation by Congress, which, at the request of the White House, renounced exercising its constitutional role, supposedly in order not to adversely affect national security. Nor was there investigation by any media representatives, who had been summoned to the White House and prevailed upon to abstain from following up any leads lest such inquiries also adversely affect national security. If we analyze the attacks of September the eleventh, we notice first off that there was much more to them than the official version acknowledges. 1.We know about only four planes, whereas at one point it was a question of eleven planes. Further, an examination of the insider-trading conducted in relation to the attacks shows put-option speculative trading in the stock of three airline companies: American Airlines, United Airlines and KLM Royal Dutch Airlines. 2.The official version does not include the attack on the White House annex, the Old Executive Office Building (called the "Eisenhower Building"). Yet, on the morning of the eleventh, ABC television broadcast, live, pictures of a fire ravaging the presidential services building. 3.Neither does the official version take into account the collapse of a third building in Manhattan World Trade Center complex, independently of the twin towers. This third building was not hit by a plane. However, it, too, was ravaged by a fire before collapsing for an unknown reason. This building contained the world's biggest secret CIA operations base, where the Agency engaged in economic intelligence gathering that the military-industrial lobby considered a waste of resources that should have been devoted to strategic intelligence gathering. If we look closely at the attack against the Pentagon, we notice that the official version amounts to an enormous lie. According to the Defense Department, a Boeing 757, all trace of which had been lost somewhere over Ohio, flew some 500 kilometers (300 miles) without being noticed. It supposedly entered Pentagon air space and descended on to the lawn surrounding the heliport, bounced off the lawn, broke a wing in collision with an electric transformer station, hit the facade at the level of the ground floor and first story, and was totally consumed by fire, leaving no other traces than two dysfunctional black boxes and pieces of passengers' bodies. It is obviously impossible that a Boeing 757 could, for some 500 kilometers, escape detection by civil and military radar, by fighter-bomber planes sent in pursuit of it and by observation satellites that had just been activated. It is also obviously impossible that a Boeing 757 could enter the Pentagon's air space without being destroyed by one or more of the five missile batteries protecting the building. When one examines the photographs of the facade, taken in the minutes following the attack (even before the Arlington civilian fire fighters had time to deploy), one sees no trace of the right wing on fire in front of the facade, nor any hole in the facade into which the plane could have been swallowed up. Apparently without the least fear of laying itself open to ridicule, the Defense Department declared that the jet engines, made out of tempered steel, had disintegrated under the shock of the impact - without damaging the facade. The aluminum of the fuselage is claimed to have combusted at more than 2,500 Celsius within the building and to have been transformed into gas, but the bodies of the passengers which it contained were so little burned that they were
[CTRL] Newswatch Editorial 4/19/02
http://www.newswatchmagazine.org/weekly_editor/index.htm America is asleep spiritually as to world events that will affect their lives. A group that worships Lucifer - Satan - was founded on May 1, 1776 called the Illuminati. This group has been in existence since the Pharoahs of Egypt. However, the modern version that is seeking total control of the world FOR Lucifer started with Adam Weishaupt in 1776. Their ultimate goal was a one-world-government under their control with the destruction of ALL religion - especially Christianity. The extraordinary group of worshipers of Lucifer overthrew the Czar of Russia to establish a seen enemy of Christianity. It is called CRISIS MANAGEMENT. They CREATE a problem - Christianity VS. Atheism or Capitalism VS. Socialism. They advertise the problem very widely - never can there be peace as long as opposite ideals exist, the threat of nuclear extinction. They then FURNISH THE SOLUTION - world government through the United Nations Organization. To achieve their objectives, they laid down a program of many revolutionary wars in the 20th Century and if necessary extending into the 21st Century. There would also be THREE World Wars. Russia became their atheistic/socialistic tool of destruction. They would supply revolutionaries all over the globe with training and military supplies. Ultra rich Wall Street bankers and industrialists financed the war machine of Russia. They were aided by European friends who were all members of the Illuminati. We have witnessed either in person or in the history books World War 1 and II. The Communist world has pretended to have collapsed to fool the West - mainly the United States. When we have reduced our military, they will sponsor a surprise attack. This has been prophesied in the Bible - Ezekiel 38. There is so much misunderstanding of who modern nations have descended from that most have no idea who the Bible is talking about in prophecy. The United States CANNOT fight on two fronts at the same time. One of our generals put his neck on the line by speaking out on this matter. As the U.S. gets more deeply involved in Bush's War On Terrorism, the communist world will definitely take notice of the depletion of our military supplies and ability to defend the home front. Unfortunately for America, we have been deceived by our Federal Government into believing we need an unconstitutional federal police force called Homeland Security. Those working for a One-World-Government look for and create opportunities to CENTRALIZE all power in the hands of the Federal Government. The Homeland Security program of creating a FEDERAL police force in preparation for Martial Law was planned at least as far back as 1998. They were waiting for a tragedy to introduce it. Now we see FEDERALIZED security guards at airports and FEDERALIZED police under the name Homeland Security. Abraham Lincoln provoked a war on the South and used the Federal military against Americans. The Supreme Court stated in 1868 in Ex Parte Milligan that that was an Unconstitutional act. President Bush, by signing an Executive Order, has created an Unconstitutional Federal Police Force. America, prepare for the concentration camps, invasion of your homes, and the loss of your freedoms. The hand writing is on the wall. Not everything is as it seems to be on the surface. Sincerely, David J. Smith
Re: [CTRL] (Fwd) Off to Baghdad!
-Caveat Lector- On 20 Apr 2002 at 17:27, Xxx Yyy wrote: And what seem to be the rules by which the Muslims live? And don't forget that the Islamic countries have been living by those rules ever since they were codified and enforced for almost 15 hundred years. They have a tough system over there. Given the natural tendencies of the indigenous and the type of lifestyles imposed by the environment, it has been deemed necessary. But I am not to judge as they have their own sand to sweep. But also don't forget that while the advanced, enlightened and superior Europeans were living through the Dark Ages, the Moslems were going through a period of great vitality. No other prominent culture today speaks about holy war the way several main Muslim currents do. Sending young Palestinian children to attack soldiers is one aspect of it. This, unfortunately, borders on propaganda, appealing to the superior Western mind as being an example of atrocity perpetuated by the Islamists against a more humane group. Whenever there is a case of pushing a group to their limits, there are always extreme behaviours and consequent deeds to be reported. In the case of the Palestinians, whether one accepts that they voluntarily vacated what is now Israel or they were helped along, the point remains that they are in a bad way. No one wants to inherit them or their problems. Jordan already has a large number of Palestinians. The issue in that part of the world remains, first and foremost, WATER. Jordan has recently concluded agreements with Israel to establish a desalination plant on their common borders. The problem is so severe that many lakes and streams have been depleted and have died due to overusage and drought. The Palestinians are water poor while their Israeli settlement neighbours do the splish-splash in treated swimming pools. We need not go into evaporation and casual losses. But, water is just one example of how the population is being intimidated. The overall point is when they or anyone else gets to a point of no return, beyond that point is when the more advance of our three brains begins to shut down or just space out given or lacking certain stimuli. Then the second most advanced, that corresponding to other mammals, is given priority. See your cat. That makes the third and most fundamental, common to reptiles (hence, references to Reptilian humans), has a greater role to play. Then the survival instincts, individual and tribal, take over, overtaking the civilising or socialising influences most of us enjoy. When it gets down that far, anything goes, especially when you might be dying anyway ... of thirst, hunger, tyranny, whatever. This is not -- repeat NOT -- unique to the Middle Easterners. I would be willing to wager that in the 1940ies Europe, there were groups who experienced oppression and feared annihilation, doing some pretty bizarre things as a result. They might have worked for their oppressors and fed their own people into ovens once they had died from disease or malnutrition. They might have actually taken food from the near-dead ill to supplement their meager nutritional intake. Those left in the cities and the ghettoes may have decided to create disturbances or stage uprisings against their oppressors or even make bargains in hopes that they would be able to improve their lot and the likelihood to better survive. To be successful, everyone had to play a part as everyone was equally liable to have their lives terminated if their specific strategies didn't work. Some even became willing lackies, the kapos in order to get a leg up. But, if and when the end was near, I wouldn't suppose that they held on to any shreds of civility. Regardless of age. This was true also for the vanquished in the Japanese theatres. Women and children were convinced that the big, bad 'Mericans would do despicable things to them if they surrendered. They jumped off of cliffs rather than test the truth or falsity of their leaders' hypotheses. In Viet Nam, they had similar views. Lt Calley and perhaps Sen Kerrey (NE) participated in massacrees of the indigenous. The Japanese might have been right to predict what the 'Mericans would do and were thereby justified in splattering themselves on the rocks below. Mr Mz Cool got some friends and went up into the mountains in the fall. Brought lots of warm clothing and lots of provisions. Got snowbound in a cabin. After a while, one or more of the group started to act oddly. The Cools began to exhibit what is known as cabin fever, the urge to break free of confinement and experience the wild and free wide open spaces. But it was 10 below outside and snowing and the routes out were impassable. Mr or Mz Cool began to lose it, their sense of the rational. Hope was lost, morale sinks, life lost its lustre. Strange days indeed. And they have everything they really need: food, warm clothing, wood for fires, companionship, and above all,
[CTRL] Another Bush Coup? America's Dirty Hands in Venezuela
http://www.truthout.org/docs_02/04.20A.WRP.Dirty.htm Another Bush Coup? America's Dirty Hands in Venezuela By William Rivers Pitt t r u t h o u t | April 19, 2002 News of the abortive coup attempt in Venezuela against the government of President Hugo Chavez has been coming fast and furious in recent days. No mainstream reports have managed to reveal the story in its entirety to date, but an amazing picture has begun to coalesce. Venezuela's democracy, emerging as a beacon of progressive leadership in South America, was attacked by business interests that wished to wrestle control of that nation away from a legitimately elected leader. It is an old story in that part of the world, but this time around the ending was different. Democracy in Venezuela survived its attempted murder, essentially because the people took to the streets and saved it. The details in brief: Hugo Chavez won two Presidential elections in Venezuela, in 1998 and in 2000, by the largest margins in forty years. Upon his rise, he instituted a number of socially progressive programs, based upon a concept called Bolivarianism, aimed at elevating the standard of living for his people. Chavez ratified a new Constitution guaranteeing new rights for women and indigenous peoples. He cleared out the plague of graft and corruption in Venezuelan government by restructuring the legislative and judicial branches. He instituted a government-funded breakfast and lunch program for schoolchildren that has helped increase enrollment by over a million students. He provided free health care and public education up to the university level. How, you ask, did he pay for all these programs? This is the $64,000 question...or to be more accurate, the multi-billion dollar question. The answer lies in the small word that has so dominated American foreign policy: oil. Venezuela is a major source of petroleum, historically providing between 15% to 40% of America's imported supply. Canada and Iraq, by comparison, make up only 26% of our imported oil. Chavez's country is, without doubt, the most important nation to America on this side of the planet because of this. Chavez redirected vast sums of money from Venezuela's petroleum production away from the multinationals, which had been profiting wildly, towards his progressive government programs. That alone was enough to draw the ire of the American petroleum industry and the IMF. But Chavez also became deeply involved with OPEC when Venezuela took over the leadership of that entity, giving it a burst of new influence that caused a spike in the price of a barrel of oil. Once drawing only $8, the price of a barrel of oil went as high as $27 on the international market after Chavez got involved. Not long after Bush took office, the decision was made: Chavez had to go. It began with propaganda, as it always does. After Chavez won for the first time in 1998, he was labeled a demagogue and an authoritarian by members of the mainstream American media. The drumbeat of criticism from 'journalists,' whose fealty to the truth apparently came second to their support of business, continues to this day. George W. himself chimed in at one point, making the claim that Chavez's earning of a majority of the vote in two separate elections did not necessarily confer legitimacy upon his administration. Yes, he actually said that. Go figure. All this reached a crescendo in the past week. According to American media reports, Chavez was chased from office after several anti-government protesters were gunned down in the streets. He resigned, we were told, to preserve democracy in the region. Said democracy was delivered into the hands of the Venezuelan military and the leader of that nation's business (read: petroleum) community, a man named Pedro Carmona. It seems, however, that Carmona and his allies misjudged the level of public support Chavez enjoyed. When Carmona abolished the Venezuelan Congress and the Supreme Court, when he changed the country's name to the Republic of Venezuela, and when he instituted a house-to-house search for congressmen and former cabinet members, the hours-old coup attempt flew apart at the seams. A popular uprising against Carmona erupted almost immediately in every quarter of Venezuela. The common people took to the streets in support of Chavez and in defiance of the coup in an extraordinary display of patriotic vigor that shames virtually every other democracy in the world. Simultaneously, rank-and-file soldiers and officers in the Venezuelan military refused to accept Carmona's regime and began what ultimately became a successful counter-coup. In short order, Carmona's rule in Venezuela was finished, and Hugo Chavez was reinstated as President. It seems, despite American media reports to the contrary, that Chavez never actually resigned. It seems that reports, proffered by the New York Times, CNN and even Ari Fleischer, that Chavez ordered the shooting of anti-government
[CTRL] The Curse of Colonialism
-Caveat Lector- From http://www.ireland.com/newspaper/world/2002/0420/4081028421FR20LEWIS.html }}}Begin Israel corrupted from within by colonial views 20/04/2002 MIDDLE EAST: Palestinians are more sceptical than ever that Israel will give up dominion over the occupied territories, writes Anthony Lewis In the days after the 1967 war, when Israel was celebrating its great victory, an Israeli I know warned that triumph could lead to disaster. Capture of the West Bank, East Jerusalem, and the Gaza Strip, he said, would tempt Israel to settle those territories. That would mean colonialism, with all its arrogance and inhumanity. It would undermine the character of Israel. And it came to pass. The settlement process, carried on for more than three decades, has been sustained by colonial methods: suppressing the local population, seizing land, giving settlers superior legal status. The consequences have been as my Israeli friend foresaw, corrupting. Now the attempt to extend Israel's dominion threatens its hard-won asset of international legitimacy. From the day of its rebirth as a state in 1948, Israel had to struggle for acceptance. The Arab world refused to recognise the state or even, for a long time, to call it by its name. Anwar Sadat's visit in 1977 meant so much to Israelis because it represented acceptance. Then, in 1993, the Oslo Agreement brought recognition of Israel's legitimacy by the Palestine Liberation Organization. Palestinian negotiators at Oslo assumed that Israel would gradually abandon the settlements and withdraw to something very like its pre-1967 borders. But Oslo left those steps to further negotiation, and they did not happen. The settlement process continued unchecked after Oslo. (Peace Now reported this March that an aerial survey of the West Bank showed 34 new settlement sites built in the last year.) More than 200,000 settlers now live in the West Bank. Settlements, some of them really small cities, and special highways for the settlers have effectively cut the West Bank into cantons separated by Israeli military forces and checkpoints. At Camp David in 2000, Prime Minister Ehud Barak offered to withdraw from (by different estimates) between 86 and 91 percent of the West Bank; but his proposal would have left in place barrier settlements and roads that divide the territory. Yasser Arafat said no. Many of us who long for a peaceful end to the conflict thought Mr Arafat's refusal even to explore Mr Barak's offer was a terrible mistake. But in the Palestinians' view, seven years after Oslo they were justifiably sceptical of Israel's willingness ever to give up effective dominion over the occupied territories. After Camp David, the conflict rose to new levels of bloodshed and destruction. Palestinians carried out appalling acts of terrorism. Hamas's suicide bombers and then elements of Arafat's Fatah attacked civilians in cafés and pizzerias. Israel retaliated with what in time became its biggest military operation since it invaded Lebanon 20 years ago. Israeli voters, frightened by terror, brought to power in February 2001 the man who through decades had demonstrated his belief that the answer to Palestinian aspirations is force, Ariel Sharon. Under Prime Minister Sharon, Israeli forces laid siege to the West Bank and Gaza, virtually confining the inhabitants to their own villages and towns. (The Economist said the siege cut the occupied territories into 200 disconnected enclaves.) Bulldozers destroyed houses and ploughed up olive groves. Israel often responded to acts of terror by punishing people who had not committed the terror, using F-16s to destroy Palestinian Authority police buildings and shelling other sites from naval ships. When terrorists crossed from Egypt and killed Israeli soldiers near the Gaza Strip, Israel demolished 59 houses in a refugee camp miles away. The siege has wasted the Palestinian economy, increasing unemployment levels to 35 per cent in the West Bank and 50 per cent in Gaza. A World Bank report at the end of March said Israeli restrictions had brought the Palestinian economy close to collapse. Recently Kofi Annan wrote to Mr Sharon protesting that Israel had wounded or killed hundreds of innocent non-combatant civilians, fired on ambulances, and blocked medical access to the wounded. At the climax of Mr Sharon's retaliatory campaign, Israeli forces entered several cities and refugee camps that were supposed to be under Palestinian Authority control, then smashed through the walls of houses and rounded up hundreds of men for interrogation. Israel carried out assassinations of alleged Palestinian terrorists, a practice that amounted to conviction and execution without trial. Particular incidents may show the nature of Mr Sharon's policy better than generalities. In the early morning hours of March 8th, Israeli tanks and armoured troop carriers went into the Dheisheh refugee camp near Bethlehem, firing shells and machine guns to
[CTRL] Amnesty blasts US over detainees in Afghanistan and Cuba
-Caveat Lector- http://www.hindustantimes.com/nonfram/150402/dlfor21.asp Amnesty blasts US over detainees in Afghanistan and Cuba AFP London, April 15 Amnesty International on Monday published a report, sent last week to the US Government, hitting out at violations of the rights of prisoners being held by the US Army in Cuba and Afghanistan. The USA's 'pick and choose' approach to the Geneva Convention is unacceptable, as is its failure to respect fundamental international human rights standards, the Organisation said in the 62-page document. Amnesty repeated its request to Washington to be allowed to visit the prisoners held in Afghanistan and at the US Guantanamo base in Cuba where some 300 alleged members of the terrorist group Al-Qaeda or the Afghan Taliban were sent. A previous request sent to the US Government in January came to nothing, the London-based human rights organisation said. In its report, Amnesty again accused the United States of failing to grant the detainees rights that are universally recognised for any suspect placed in provisional detention. It denounced the American authorities' failure to give the detainees prisoner of war status, to grant them access to a lawyer or to bring them before a competent tribunal as laid down in the Geneva Conventions. The US Government must ensure that all its actions in relation to those in its custody in Afghanistan and Guantanamo Bay comply with inter national law and standards, Amnesty International wrote. This is crucial if justice is to be done and seen to be done, and if respect for the rule of law and human rights is not to be undermined. A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Why not be Anti, Semites?
-Caveat Lector- Crucifixion was a punishment reserved by the Romans for those condemned of high crimes against the Roman state, usually treason; they definitely would NOT have crucified someone just because some local religious leaders asked them to kill someone they deemed heretical... .they would if they could convince them that the same individual was also somehow a threat to the state, which is exactly what the sanhedrin did simply because he happened to refer to himself as the king of the jews from time to time. now, it's true that the popular view of the messiah at the time was that he was going to be a warrior king, and it's true that the romans didn't like large groups of people crowding around revolutionaries; butjesus was neither a potential warrior king nor a revolutionary. he was just a crazy hippie pushing brotherly love and not a real threat to rome at all. i've never seen any evidence stating that the romans really even took jesus seriously; pilate certainly had nothing against him. it wasn't for years after that all of a sudden christianity emerged as a problem for the romans after all. *shrug*. now, as for the nazis=romanswellyou give saba too much credit. the statement was a result of the same logic that made her state that, and i paraphrase, this conspiracy...job is a part of it. inri np: http://chat.carleton.ca/~jparent2/ there ought to be limits to freedom - george w. bush if this were a dictatorship, it'd be a heck of a lot easier, just so long as i'm the dictator. - george w. bush i'm not going to let congress erode the power of the executive branch - george w. bush A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Guantanamo detainees no longer being force-fed
-Caveat Lector- http://www.miami.com/mld/miami/news/world/3070380.htm Posted on Mon, Apr. 15, 2002 2 Guantanamo detainees no longer being force-fed By CAROL ROSENBERG Knight Ridder Newspapers GUANTANAMO BAY NAVAL BASE, Cuba - Navy hospital medical staff have released two terror suspects at Guantanamo Bay from a forced-feeding regime and sent them back to Camp X-Ray to continue their hunger strike, a spokesman said Monday. Medical workers placed feeding tubes up the noses and into the stomachs of two shackled prisoners on Easter Sunday, after they refused food and water for a full month to protest their incarceration. They removed them Friday, their 12th day of forced feeding in a Navy tent hospital, said Marine Maj. James Bell, and sent them back to their 8-by-8-foot chain-link cells at Camp X-Ray on Saturday. Other prisoners among the 299 men from 33 different countries have also engaged in what commanders call a rolling hunger strike, periodically refusing meals. Commanders attribute the protest to uncertainty over their futures in Caribbean detainment. But the two men in their 20s, whose identities are being shielded, had lost enough body weight to cause concern to doctors. They were also given intravenous drips against dehydration. The plan at this point is to continue to encourage the two detainees to eat on their own, and the medical staff out at X-Ray will continue to closely monitor their health, said Bell, personal spokesman for Army Brig. Gen. Rick Baccus, commander of the prison project. The prisoners did not gain weight during the procedure, which pumped into their stomachs 2,000 calories a day of what doctors described as a white milkshake-like substance, Bell said. But they did not lose weight either. A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] [Politics] FYIS. 975: Eco-tyranny from Washington (fwd)
-Caveat Lector- visit my web site at http://www.voicenet.com/~wbacon My ICQ# is 79071904 for a precise list of the powers of the Federal Government linkto: http://www.voicenet.com/~wbacon/Enumerated.html -- Forwarded message -- Date: Fri, 19 Apr 2002 22:14:22 PDT From: carl william, spitzer [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [Politics] FYIS. 975: Eco-tyranny from Washington FROM:?APCalert, INTERNET:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *APC NEWSWIRE* http://www.americanpolicy.org/ April 18, 2002Volume 5, Issue 4 A Publication of the American Policy Center Tom DeWeese, President Peyton Knight, Editor 98 Alexandria Pike, Suite 43 Warrenton, VA 20186 540-341-8911 FAX: 540-341-8917 [EMAIL PROTECTED] APC is now offering you a quick and easy way to multiply your efforts and help win more battles!Simply click http://www.referralblast.com/rblast.asp?sid=5906 to send this APC Action Alert to up to TEN of your friends! It's fast, it's easy, and most of all, it's extremely effective in KILLING LEFTIST POLICIES! ***S. 975: Eco-tyranny from Washington Several of the Senate's most liberal members, including Hillary Clinton, Jim Jeffords and Joe Lieberman are pushing for a bill that would allow federal bureaucrats to determine how land will be developed and used in local communities. This bold attack on our federalist society is titled the Community Character Act (S. 975). The name says it all, as several characters are acting to hijack our communities. S. 975 is simply a bribe offered by the federal government to localities to update their zoning plans. The feds prom- ise to pay for 90% of the costs for the updates_BUT ONLY IF THE LOCALITY DOES IT THEIR WAY. And just what is feds' way? SMART GROWTH (read, NO GROWTH). Recall that the Clinton Administration paid $2 million for a Smart Growth Legislative Guidebook that is intended to guide counties, cities and towns on how to update their zoning. S. 975 provides the money to force this agenda on unsuspecting localities. This bill is the vehicle for mandatory sustainable development. Among other dictates, S. 975 calls for land use planning to promote social equity. By gaining control of how property is developed in YOUR community, the federal government thinks it can control how YOU live. It is essentially snatching your property rights through the channel of local government. **Action to Take** 1. Call your both of your Senators and tell them to vote NO on S. 975! S. 975 is anti-property rights and anti-American. Individuals and locally elected offi- cials should be free to determine the type and amount of growth appropriate for their communities. We don't need the federal government and radical environmental- ists forcing their warped vision upon us! Capitol Hill Senate Switchboard: (202) 224-3121. Simply ask for your Senators by name. 2. Click http://www.referralblast.com/rblast.asp?sid=5906 to send this APC Action Alert to up to TEN of your friends! ***UN's International Criminal Court Becomes Official Last week, April 11, the United Nations' International Criminal Court (ICC) became a reality. On that date, four more nations ratified the ICC treaty, thus giving the UN the necessary 60 ratifications needed for the court to become operative. Though the United States never ratified the treaty, Presi- dent Clinton, in one of his final, dastardly deeds before leaving office, signed the treaty. Now it is more important than ever before that President Bush rescind that signature. That signature tells the United Nations that the U.S. is willing to participate in this sham of a global court. Congress' greatest champion of U.S. sovereignty, Rep. Ron Paul, has recently introduced H.R. 4169, the American Servicemember and Citizen Protection Act of 2002. This bill would protect American citizens from prosecution by the ICC, prohibit the use of U.S. taxpayer funds for the UN court, and it deems ICC actions against U.S. military per- sonnel as acts of aggression against the United States. Now that the International Criminal Court has become a reality, it is extremely important that Congress pass Rep. Paul's American Servicemember and Citizen Protection Act. We must protect our brave men and women fighting terror overseas from vindictive nations who have a bone to pick with
Re: [CTRL] [Politics] FYIS. 975: Eco-tyranny from Washington (fwd)
-Caveat Lector- But what is wrong with sustainable development? Steve On 21 Apr 2002 at 5:20, William Bacon wrote: -Caveat Lector- visit my web site at http://www.voicenet.com/~wbacon My ICQ# is 79071904 for a precise list of the powers of the Federal Government linkto: http://www.voicenet.com/~wbacon/Enumerated.html -- Forwarded message -- Date: Fri, 19 Apr 2002 22:14:22 PDT From: carl william, spitzer [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [Politics] FYIS. 975: Eco-tyranny from Washington FROM:?APCalert, INTERNET:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *APC NEWSWIRE* http://www.americanpolicy.org/ April 18, 2002Volume 5, Issue 4 A Publication of the American Policy Center Tom DeWeese, President Peyton Knight, Editor 98 Alexandria Pike, Suite 43 Warrenton, VA 20186 540-341-8911 FAX: 540-341-8917 [EMAIL PROTECTED] APC is now offering you a quick and easy way to multiply your efforts and help win more battles!Simply click http://www.referralblast.com/rblast.asp?sid=5906 to send this APC Action Alert to up to TEN of your friends! It's fast, it's easy, and most of all, it's extremely effective in KILLING LEFTIST POLICIES! ***S. 975: Eco-tyranny from Washington Several of the Senate's most liberal members, including Hillary Clinton, Jim Jeffords and Joe Lieberman are pushing for a bill that would allow federal bureaucrats to determine how land will be developed and used in local communities. This bold attack on our federalist society is titled the Community Character Act (S. 975). The name says it all, as several characters are acting to hijack our communities. S. 975 is simply a bribe offered by the federal government to localities to update their zoning plans. The feds prom- ise to pay for 90% of the costs for the updates_BUT ONLY IF THE LOCALITY DOES IT THEIR WAY. And just what is feds' way? SMART GROWTH (read, NO GROWTH). Recall that the Clinton Administration paid $2 million for a Smart Growth Legislative Guidebook that is intended to guide counties, cities and towns on how to update their zoning. S. 975 provides the money to force this agenda on unsuspecting localities. This bill is the vehicle for mandatory sustainable development. Among other dictates, S. 975 calls for land use planning to promote social equity. By gaining control of how property is developed in YOUR community, the federal government thinks it can control how YOU live. It is essentially snatching your property rights through the channel of local government. **Action to Take** 1. Call your both of your Senators and tell them to vote NO on S. 975! S. 975 is anti-property rights and anti-American. Individuals and locally elected offi- cials should be free to determine the type and amount of growth appropriate for their communities. We don't need the federal government and radical environmental- ists forcing their warped vision upon us! Capitol Hill Senate Switchboard: (202) 224-3121. Simply ask for your Senators by name. 2. Click http://www.referralblast.com/rblast.asp?sid=5906 to send this APC Action Alert to up to TEN of your friends! ***UN's International Criminal Court Becomes Official Last week, April 11, the United Nations' International Criminal Court (ICC) became a reality. On that date, four more nations ratified the ICC treaty, thus giving the UN the necessary 60 ratifications needed for the court to become operative. Though the United States never ratified the treaty, Presi- dent Clinton, in one of his final, dastardly deeds before leaving office, signed the treaty. Now it is more important than ever before that President Bush rescind that signature. That signature tells the United Nations that the U.S. is willing to participate in this sham of a global court. Congress' greatest champion of U.S. sovereignty, Rep. Ron Paul, has recently introduced H.R. 4169, the American Servicemember and Citizen Protection Act of 2002. This bill would protect American citizens from prosecution by the ICC, prohibit the use of U.S. taxpayer funds for the UN court, and it deems ICC actions against U.S. military per- sonnel as acts of aggression against the United States. Now that the International Criminal Court has become a reality, it is extremely important that Congress pass Rep.
[CTRL] Some ask were aliens or Bush Behind September 11
-Caveat Lector- From: preston peet [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hi all, Here's yet another insulting article coming out since US Rep. Cynthia McKinney made her public statements wondering what in the hell happened Sept. 11. There've been a whole series of articles in mainstream US press outlets implying that those of us asking questions as to why the Pentagon is missing $2.3 trillion of US taxpayer money, and why after giving so much money to the US intelligence and military agencies something like the attacks on Sept. 11 could take place, and myriad other questions that should be addressed, well, we questioners are all nuts to be critically thinking. Peace, Preston Peet [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.abcnews.go.com/sections/us/DailyNews/conspiracy020417.html What Consensus? Conspiracy Theorist Immune to the Widespread Support for War on Terror By Dean Schabner April 17 - In the days immediately after Sept. 11, while most of the country was reeling from shock, some people out there were wondering what really happened. When the government said evidence pointed to Islamic fundamentalist terrorists, other voices wondered why investigators weren't looking in other directions. Couldn't those supposed Arabs seen on airport security videos checking onto flights just as easily have been Israelis? Couldn't it all have been a Jewish plot to trick the United States into a war against Israel's enemies? In the months since, more and more evidence has been produced by investigators in the United States and around the world linking Osama bin Laden's al Qaeda network to the attacks that killed more than 3,000 people in New York, Washington and western Pennsylvania. But it hasn't put an end to the conspiracy theories - they have just changed direction - and new ones keep popping up. And these are not the usual voices of doubt and dissent calling on the government to reconsider its foreign policy, or pick its allies more carefully, or even those who say the U.S. government bears a kind of moral responsibility for what happened on Sept. 11 because of the mistakes of the past. There are voices popping up on Internet Web sites, in chatrooms and making the rounds in e-mail chains - even some conspiracy theorists who are packing hundreds of people into lecture halls - saying that evidence points to some direct level of involvement in the attacks by the U.S. government. And this at a time when an unprecedented numbers of Americans have rallied behind the government. Where's the Plane? There is no smoking gun in any of the theories, but plenty of innuendo in schemes that run the gamut. Here is just a small sampling: Bush's decision to go ahead with an announced public appearance on the morning of Sept. 11, after he must have been informed that planes had been crashed into the World Trade Center, shows he knew of the attack plans before that morning and knew he would not be a target for the hijackers. Photographs of the Pentagon that morning and of the cleanup afterwards show that no plane crashed into the building because there was no debris from a jet and the damaged area of the building was too small - it had to have been a bomb planted inside to destroy the Office of Naval Intelligence, which would never have accepted the administration's story about who was behind the attacks in New York. Or maybe an unmanned fighter jet, radio controlled and flying at a low angle, crashed into the Pentagon. (In these scenarios it's never clear what happened to American Airlines Flight 77 and the 64 people on board.) The reason the tapes from the cockpit recorders of the four hijacked planes have not been released is because the voices they record are not human, but the voices of aliens. Even a congresswoman seems bitten by the bug, and wants an investigation into what President Bush knew and when he knew it - because so many of his friends have profited so handsomely from the resulting U.S. actions. The National Character Though at first glance it may seem strange that there should still be people looking for Sept. 11 villains besides bin Laden and his al Qaeda network, people who have studied conspiracy theories over the years say it is perfectly natural, and even a fundamental part of the American character. These are shattering experiences, when people's confidence and faith is shattered and their everyday routine is disrupted, Boston University sociology professor Daniel Monti said. This is going to bring out the best we have to offer from some people, and from others it's going to bring out the worst. Some scholars who study conspiracy theories say American ideals, such as the belief in free speech and an underlying distrust of power, make this country a natural breeding ground for alternate readings of momentous events such as the terror attacks of Sept. 11. Richard Hofstadter made this argument as long ago as the 1960s [in his book The Paranoid Style in American Politics], said Michael Barkun, a political
[CTRL] America must see that Sharon is the problem
-Caveat Lector- -Original Message- From: Gloria Delaplain [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Saturday, April 20, 2002 10:02 PM To: Powell, Sec. Colin; Paul, Rep. Ron; Hutchison, Sen. Kay Bailey; Gramm, Sen. Phil; Bush, Pres. George W. Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [AL-AWDA-News] Avi Shlaim Article America must see that Sharon is the problem The Middle East conflict cannot be resolved while the Israelis are led by a man who sees military force as the only instrument of policy. By Avi Shlaim The Observer April 14, 2002 When running for Prime Minister in February of last year, Ariel Sharon, Israel's ferocious hawk, tried to reinvent himself as a man of peace. Against the background of the al-Aqsa intifada, which he had helped to trigger by his provocative visit to Haram al-Sharif (Temple Mount), he ran on a ticket of peace with security. In his first year in power, Sharon has achieved neither peace nor security but only a steady escalation of the violence. In the last two weeks Sharon has revealed himself once again as a man wedded to military force as the only instrument of policy. The 74 year-old Israeli leader has been at the sharp end of confrontation with the Arabs for most of his life. The hallmarks of his career are mendacity, the most savage brutality towards Arab civilians, and a persistent preference for force over diplomacy to solve political problems. These features found their clearest expression in the invasion of Lebanon in 1982 which Sharon masterminded as defence minister in Menachem Begin's Likud government. The war that Sharon is currently waging on the West Bank, fraudulently named 'Operation Defensive Shield', is in some ways a replay of his war in Lebanon. It is directed against the Palestinian people; it stems from the same stereotypes that the Palestinians are terrorists; it is based on the same denial of Palestinian national rights; it employs the same strategy of savage and overwhelming military force; and it displays the same callous disregard for international opinion, international law, the UN, and the norms of civilised behaviour. Even the principal personalities are the same: today, as in 1982, Ariel Sharon confronts Yasser Arafat. The invasion of Lebanon was not a defensive war but a war of deception. Sharon obtained cabinet approval for a limited military operation against the PLO forces in southern Lebanon. From the beginning, however, he planned a much bigger operation to serve broader geostrategic aims. The principal objective of Sharon's war was to destroy the PLO as a military and political organisation, to break the backbone of Palestinian nationalism, to spread despair and despondency among the inhabitants of the West Bank, and to pave the way to its absorption into Greater Israel. A second objective was to give Israel's Maronite allies a leg-up to power, and then compel them to sign a peace treaty with Israel. A third objective was to expel the Syrian army from Lebanon and to make Israel the dominant power in the Levant. Under Sharon's devious direction, an operation that was supposedly undertaken in self-defence developed into a merciless siege of Beirut and culminated in a horrendous massacre in the Palestinian refugee camps of Sabra and Shatila which led to the removal of Sharon from the ministry of defence. In his crude but relentless propaganda war, Sharon tries to portray Arafat as the master terrorist who orchestrates the violence against Israel and secretly encourages suicide bombings by Hamas, Islamic Jihad, and the Al-Aqsa Martyrs Brigade. To be sure, Arafat is not above using violence. Nor has he done as much as he could to curb the activities of the Islamic militants. Yet Arafat is the leader who persuaded his movement to abandon armed struggle and adopt the political path in the struggle for independence. By signing the Oslo Accord in 1993, and clinching it with a hesitant handshake, he and Yitzhak Rabin undertook to resolve the outstanding differences between their two nations by peaceful means. Until the assassination of Rabin two years later, Arafat proved himself an effective partner on the road to peace. The subsequent decline of the Oslo peace process was caused more by Israeli territorial expansionism than by Palestinian terrorism. Israeli settlements on the West Bank, which Sharon's government continues to expand, are the root of the problem. Ever the opportunist, Sharon was quick to jump on the bandwagon of America's 'war against terror' in the aftermath of 11 September. Under this banner, Sharon has embarked on a sinister attempt to destroy the infrastructure of a future Palestinian state. His real agenda is to subvert what remains of the Oslo accords, to smash the Palestinians into the ground, and to extinguish hope for independence and statehood. To add insult to injury, he wants to remove Yasser Arafat, the democratically elected leader and symbol
Re: [CTRL] Guantanamo detainees no longer being force-fed
-Caveat Lector- You'd think they'd have scrounged up some ganja and a water pipr fo these boys. Then put out the cinnamon rolls slathered with butter or better yet some baklava! AER A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Fwd: TNS: Week Ending: 20 April 2002/8 Iyar 5762
-Caveat Lector- I'm sending the whole thing, there are several articles of interest. The one in particular that I was interested in was #2, ARAFAT WON'T LET CHURCH OCCUPATION END. #3, about the UN, would also be on-topic. Tenorlove --- Tzemach News Service [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: To: TNS List [EMAIL PROTECTED] From: Tzemach News Service [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: TNS: Week Ending: 20 April 2002/8 Iyar 5762 Date: Sun, 21 Apr 2002 01:24:26 -0400 Reply-to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] TZEMACH NEWS SERVICE ~ A weekly update of news and events regarding the nation and the people of Israel. Week Ending: 20 April 2002/8 Iyar 5762 'As in the days when you came out from the land of Egypt, I will show you miracles.' Nations will see and be ashamed of all their might. They will put their hand on their mouth, their ears will be deaf. They will lick the dust like a serpent, like reptiles of the earth. They will come trembling out of their fortresses; To the L-rd our G-d they will come in dread and they will be afraid before You. Micah 7.15-17 Please feel free to forward to a friend or colleague. To subscribe, send a blank e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] This Week's Headlines: :: ISRAELI ARMY LEAVES JENIN :: ARAFAT WON'T LET CHURCH OCCUPATION END :: UN, EU BACKS PALESTINIAN TERRORISM :: ARAFAT, PLO INVOLVEMENT IN TERROR DOCUMENTED :: POWELL WANTS PALESTINIAN STATE :: ANNAN CONTINUES TO PRESS FOR MULTINATIONAL FORCE IN MIDDLE EAST :: ARMS FROM IRAQ, IRAN FOUND NEAR ARAFAT HQ :: WINDS OF WAR :: ISRAELI ARMY LEAVES JENIN: The Israeli army on Friday pulled out of Jenin. Jenin refugee camp was the scene of the bloodiest fighting in the Israeli operation in Yesha (Judea, Samaria, and Gaza). The claim that there was a massacre in the Jenin refugee camp has been taken up by many news media around the world, as well as human rights groups, and even among many governments. This claim, originally made during the height of the fighting in the refugee camp, seriously damages Israel's political campaign to justify its self defense against terror and the legitimacy of the means it is using in that campaign. In recent days, journalists have visited the camp, gathering their own first-hand impressions and eyewitness testimony about the IDF's operations. There is evidence of intense combat, but, it can already be said what did not happen in the Jenin refugee camp. There was no massacre. After almost two weeks of Jenin Massacre! headlines, the world press has been forced to face the truth: There was none. No order from above was given, nor was a local initiative executed, to deliberately and systematically kill unarmed people. WASHINGTON POST correspondent Molly Moore wrote, Interviews with residents inside the camp and international aid workers who were allowed here for the first time today indicated that no evidence has yet surfaced to support allegations by Palestinian groups and aid organizations of large-scale massacres or executions by Israeli troops. Armed Palestinians shot, blew up, and mined houses and alleyways. The Israeli soldiers, who had difficulty progressing, used bulldozers and suffered heavy losses -- 23 soldiers were killed. Under such circumstances, civilians were also harmed. But declaring the fighting in Jenin a massacre is a mistake on the part of the naive, and a slander by others. In a briefing last Friday, IDF [Israel Defense Force] Col. Hirsh said, When you think of the term 'refugee camp', you think of poor and helpless people. This is not the case. Jenin Refugee Camp was actually a strong combat zone -- a real military and terrorist infrastructure. We had no choice but to destroy the terrorist infrastructure -- everyday there were terrorists' acts dispatched from Jenin Refugee Camp. The operation in Jenin cost us the lives of 23 soldiers and many were injured. I regret that some Palestinian civilians were injured and some were killed. We were fighting against armed terrorists. We asked the Palestinian civilians to evacuate their homes so they would not get hurt, some chose not to. Most of the Palestinians that were killed were armed terrorists; many had explosive devices strapped to their bodies. We found a lot of evidence of terrorist activity, for example, labs for explosive devices. We are talking about an organized terrorist infrastructure throughout Judea and Samaria. [Editor's note: it must be remembered that, instead of the 'carpet bombing' technique used by the United States in Afghanistan -- which killed hundreds of civilians, the IDF chose instead to fight this battle door-to-door, making a thorough search for Palestinian terrorists. This resulted in the high death rate of IDF soldiers.] :: ARAFAT WON'T LET CHURCH OCCUPATION END: PLO leader Yasser Arafat is blocking attempts to end the 17-day standoff at Beit Lechem's Church
[CTRL] NYTimes.com Article: Layne Staley, Alice in Chains' Singer, Dies at 34
-Caveat Lector- This article from NYTimes.com has been sent to you by [EMAIL PROTECTED] First Kurt Cobain, now this guy. Is this going to become a pattern, Seattle creating dead rock stars? [EMAIL PROTECTED] / advertisement ---\ Enjoy new investment freedom! Get the tools you need to successfully manage your portfolio from Harrisdirect. Start with award-winning research. Then add access to round-the-clock customer service from Series-7 trained representatives. Open an account today and receive a $100 credit! http://www.harrisdirect.com/b4.htm?OINYT100C \--/ Layne Staley, Alice in Chains' Singer, Dies at 34 April 21, 2002 By JON PARELES Layne Staley, the lead singer of the pioneering grunge band Alice in Chains, was found dead on Friday at his home in Seattle. He was 34 years old. Alice in Chains was one of the first grunge bands to gain national attention. Beginning with its 1990 EP, We Die Young, the group sang bleak visions of death, addiction and despair, set to grinding minor-key guitar riffs. Most of the band's material was written by its guitarist, Jerry Cantrell, though Mr. Staley wrote lyrics for many of its songs, including the band's first hit, Man in the Box, with the chorus: Feed my eyes, can you sew them shut?/Jesus Christ, deny your maker. On the band's second album, Dirt in 1992, Mr. Staley sang directly about heroin addiction in songs like God Smack and Junkman, with its chorus, What's my drug of choice/Well, what have you got? Duane Fish, a spokesman for the Seattle Police Department, said that when the police were called on Friday to check on Mr. Staley, officers forcibly entered his apartment near the University of Washington campus after there was no answer to a knock on the door. Mr. Staley was found dead on a couch with obvious signs of drug use, Mr. Fish said, including heroin needles and other paraphernalia. The King County medical examiner has not determined the cause of death, but said yesterday that Mr. Staley had been dead for several days. Mr. Fish said, We have determined it was either drug use or natural causes. There were no signs of foul play, according to our investigators. Mr. Staley was born in Kirkland, Wash., and started playing drums when he was 12 years old, inspired by a Black Sabbath album from his parents' record collection. A few years later, he decided to become a singer instead, and traded his drum kit for a microphone. He met Mr. Cantrell at a party, and formed Alice in Chains with him in 1987. The group quickly turned from playing glam-metal to an early variety of grunge, and in 1989, it was signed to Columbia Records, which released the EP We Die Young and the band's first album, Facelift, in 1990. The group appeared as a bar band in the Cameron Crowe movie Singles, and toured nationally as Facelift went on to sell two million copies. A second EP, Sap, was released in 1991, followed in 1992 by Dirt, which has sold four million copies. Alice in Chains was a headliner on the 1993 Lollapalooza tour, and released its third EP, Jar of Flies, in 1994. By then, Mr. Staley was struggling with heroin addiction, and on the verge of a 1994 summer tour, the band broke up for six months. Mr. Staley sang on a side project, Mad Season, with Mike McCready, a guitarist in Pearl Jam. Alice in Chains reunited in 1995 to make an album, entitled Alice in Chains, which sold two million copies. But in a 1996 interview with Rolling Stone magazine, Mr. Staley was covered with needle marks, and spoke obliquely about drug use. I wrote about drugs, and I didn't think I was being unsafe or careless by writing about them, Mr. Staley said. I didn't want fans to think heroin was cool. But then I've had fans come up to me and give me the thumbs up, telling me they're high. That's exactly what I didn't want to happen. Alice in Chains taped an episode of MTV Unplugged in 1996; the subsequent album sold one million copies. As the 1990's ended, Columbia released more of the band's material: a boxed set, a live album and a greatest-hits collection. But Mr. Staley had dropped out of sight. http://www.nytimes.com/2002/04/21/obituaries/21STAL.html?ex=1020386061ei=1en=8ac5fe28b3963fcd HOW TO ADVERTISE - For information on advertising in e-mail newsletters or other creative advertising opportunities with The New York Times on the Web, please contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit our online media kit at http://www.nytimes.com/adinfo For general information about NYTimes.com, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Copyright 2002 The New York Times Company A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis-
Re: [CTRL] Israel Firsters rally against Bush-Powell peace plan
-Caveat Lector- Because you have AOHell, and your links are formatted for AOHell. Every time I tried to click on the ones where the domain name URL is all numbers, I got an Error 404 message. I figured the site got shut down or something. Or maybe it was the Valium... --- William Shannon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Having nothing better to do at this hour and waiting for the 10mg of Valium I took to kick in I tried the first 9 links in that article and lo behold each and every one of them worked just fine for me. Gee, I wonder why? Bill. __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Games - play chess, backgammon, pool and more http://games.yahoo.com/ A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] A closer look at what is happening
In a message dated 4/21/02 2:01:50 AM Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: So, you see, a lot has to do with human events and humans responding to them. Just in case you didn't notice, the evil is organized by those who are rational, organized and in control of their faculties. They are using cult mind control operations to deliberately to control young lives to take lives in ways that are as cold and calloused as those of any serial murderer. If their minds have been turned, they have been turned by their own leadership. I am not judging all Palestinians as evil. Far from it. The leadership and that network is evil, using their own people callously. The weakness of the Palestinians and most of the rest of the people of the world is that we have given up our ability to analyze what is presented to us and instead respond like sheep to the emotional manipulation of others. (Sent to me by a friend) Many of you have heard of Oriana Fallaci, one of Europe's best known journalists and authors For those of you who have not, please find below an article published this week in the Italian magazine Panorama (as well as picked up by the daily Corriere della Sera) which is starting to make lots of noise. Fallaci, now aged 71, broke onto the scene in the late ' 60s when she covered Vietnam, the Greek colonels' coup, the the Middle East etc., etc. She was then ultra-trendy and a strong supporter of the Palestinian cause. Oriana Fallaci on Antisemitism (April 12, 2002) I find it shameful that in Italy there should be a procession of individuals dressed as suicide bombers who spew vile abuse at Israel, hold up photographs of Israeli leaders on whose foreheads they have drawn the swasitka, incite people to hate the Jews. And who, in order to see Jews once again in the extermination camps, in the gas chambers, in the ovens of Dachau and Mauthausen and Buchenwald and Bergen-Belsen et cetera, would sell their own mother to a harem. I find it shameful that the Catholic Church should permit a bishop, one with lodgings in the Vatican no less, a saintly man who was found in Jerusalem with an arsenal of arms and explosives hidden in the secret compartments of his sacred Mercedes, to participate in that procession and plant himself in front of a microphone to thank in the name of God the suicide bombers who massacre the Jews in pizzerias and supermarkets. To call them "martyrs who go to their deaths as to a party." I find it shameful that in France, the France of Liberty-Equality-Fraternity, they burn synagogues, terrorize Jews, profane their cemeteries. I find it shameful that the youth of Holland and Germany and Denmark flaunt the kaffiah just as Mussolini's avant garde used to flaunt the club and the fascist badge. I find it shameful that in nearly all the universities of Europe Palestinian students sponsor and nurture anti-semitism. That in Sweden they asked that the Nobel Peace Prize given to Shimon Peres in 1994 be taken back and conferred on the dove with the olive branch in his mouth, that is on Arafat. I find it shameful that the distinguished members of the Committee, a Committee that (it would appear) rewards political color rather than merit, should take this request into consideration and even respond to it. In hell the Nobel Prize honors he who does not receive it. I find it shameful (we're back in Italy) that state-run television stations contribute to the resurgent antisemitism, crying only over Palestinian deaths while playing down Israeli deaths, glossing over them in unwilling tones. I find it shameful that in their debates they host with much deference the scoundrels with turban or kaffiah who yesterday sang hymns to the slaughter at New York and today sing hymns to the slaughters at Jerusalem, at Haifa, at Netanya, at Tel Aviv. I find it shameful that the press does the same: that it is indignant because Israeli tanks surround the Church of the Nativity in Bethlehem; that it is not indignant because inside that same church two hundred Palestinian terrorists well armed with machine guns and munitions and explosives (among them are various leaders of Hamas and Al-Aqsa) are not unwelcome guests of the monks (who then accept bottles of mineral water and jars of honey from the soldiers of those tanks). I find it shameful that, in giving the number of Israelis killed since the beginning of the Second Intifada (four hundred twelve), a noted daily newspaper found it appropriate to underline in capital letters that more people are killed in their traffic accidents. (Six hundred a year). I find it shameful that the Roman Observer, the newspaper of the Pope--a Pope who not long ago left in the Wailing Wall a letter of apology for the Jews--accuses of extermination a people who were exterminated in the millions by Christians. By Europeans. I find it shameful that
[CTRL] Catholic vs. Protestant Faction Fight
-Caveat Lector- .. From the New Paradigms Project [Not Necessarily Endorsed] Note: We store 100's of related New Paradigms Posts at: http://www.msen.com/~lloyd/oldprojects/recentmail.html Subject: Catholic vs. Protestant Faction Fight (Conspiracy Nation, 4/7/02) -- In The Overthrow Of The American Republic -- Part 8, Chicago's Sherlock Holmes, Sherman H. Skolnick, identifies an erupting Catholic vs. Protestant split in the American aristocracy. The entire report is (or will soon be) available at Mr. Skolnick's web site, http://www.skolnicksreport.com The Protestant faction in the American aristocracy is identified as affiliated with George W. Bush, the current U.S. president, his father, Sir George Bush, and more generally The Bush Crime Family and the British aristocracy. The Catholic faction consists, according to Skolnick, of the Vatican, the House of Rothschild, Irish-Catholics and more specifically, Irish-Democrat Catholics. This faction fight is logically traced by Mr. Skolnick to the hotly disputed year 2000 presidential election in which George W. Bush, aligned with the British faction, eventually succeeded to the presidency. Skolnick cites evidence linking the Bush cabal with the British royals, including the Bush Crime Family's joint account with the Queen of England at her private bank, Coutts Bank London. So is it more than just a coincidence? That to divert attention from Bush/Cheney and their direct complicity with Enron, that a few Catholic priests are scandalized as having many years ago sexually molested choir boys? writes Skolnick. This echoes a previous report by Conspiracy Nation in which it is surmised that A-Albionic's thesis of the British Empire and the Vatican being in mortal combat for control of the world is behind the erupting boil of priestly pedophilia mass media news now saturating outlets. (Excited Catholics Await Pope's Death.) Vatican leverage at this point, writes Skolnick, includes possession of documents, via Italy's Banca Nazionale del Lavoro (BNL), showing a secret partnership between the Bush Family and Saddam Hussein. To the uninitiated, Skolnick's claim of a Bush/Hussein business connection may seem incredible; to readers who have studied the matter, it is not far-fetched. Skolnick backs up his claim of a Catholic vs. Protestant faction fight now ongoing amongst the American aristocracy by citing F. Tupper Saussy's book, *Rulers of Evil*. (Reno: Ospray Bookmakers, 1999): The growing and evident split in the American aristocracy has to be considered from the historical standpoint of Protestant versus Catholic. A heavily documented recent book summarizes on its jacket, the work of the author 'His labors have rewarded us with valuable new proofs of a vast Roman Catholic substratum to American history. Evidence suggests that Jesuits played eminent and under-appreciated roles in moving the complacent New Englanders to rebel against their mother country in 1776. Indeed, according to Saussy's discoveries, the American Revolution and its resulting constitutional republic may have been largely the outworking of an ingenious Jesuit strategy single-handedly designed and supervised by a true founding father few Americans have ever heard of---Lorenzo Ricci. With Ricci comes a whole host of hitherto little-known names such as Robert Bellarmine, Joseph Amiot, the Dukes of Norfolk, Daniel Coxe, Sun-Tzu, Lord Bute, Francis Thorpe, Nikolaus von Hontheim, and the Carrolls, Daniel, Charles, and John. In their way', writes Saussy, 'these men were as essential to our constitutional origins as Jefferson, Paine, Adams, Washington, Locke,and George III.' (*Rulers of Evil---Useful Knowledge About Governing Bodies*, by F. Tupper Saussy, Ospray Bookmakers, Reno, Nevada, 1999.) -- Conspiracy Nation. Now read in all 50 states. http://www.shout.net/~bigred/cn.html -- Brian Redman | [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] | www.shout.net/~bigred/cn.html http://www.shout.net/~bigred/cn.html Editor-in-Chief | ---Phone: 217-356-4418 Conspiracy Nation | The perfect slave thinks he's free. Forwarded for info and discussion from the New Paradigms Discussion List, not necessarily endorsed by: *** Lloyd Miller, Research Director for A-albionic Research a ruling class/conspiracy research resource for the entire political-ideological spectrum. **FREE RARE BOOK SEARCH: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ** Explore Our Archive: http://a-albionic.com/a-albionic.html A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the
[CTRL] Vatican launches war against Israeli Crimes!
-Caveat Lector- .. From the New Paradigms Project [Not Necessarily Endorsed] Note: We store 100's of related New Paradigms Posts at: http://www.msen.com/~lloyd/oldprojects/recentmail.html http://www.arabicnews.com/ansub/Daily/Day/020415/2002041563.html Subject: Vatican launches war against Israeli Crimes! Project Vatican vs Judeo/Masonic/Anglophile Conflict Theory Proven Vatican launches war against Israeli crimes Palestine-Vatican, Politics, 4/15/2002 The Vatican launched a semi-official warfare against Israel terming its re-occupation of Palestinian territories as genocide against the Palestinian people, due to which the international community must intervene. This is, of course, an unprecedented accusation leveled by the Vatican to Israel whose Politica1 significance prompts other western parties to oppose Israeli policies. In its official Gazette, the Vatican stressed that the genocide against the Palestinians has got nothing to do with allegations by Israel that its war is against terrorism. It added that this war aimed at preventing Palestinians from realizing their dream of establishing their independent state. It stressed that the current war against Palestinians lacked all forms of international legitimacy. Commenting on this war, the Vatican says that the current war, waged by Israel in collaboration with the Americans against! Muslim Palestinian people, is not religiously blessed. Rather it is condemned by all Catholic Church archbishops in the world. The Vatican urged all Catholics in the world to unify ranks to condemn the religiously unlawful war against Palestinians. Getting out to the diplomatic chess board, the Vatican recalled the American and Israeli ambassadors informing them that Pope John Paul II rejected calling the current war against Palestinians as anti-terrorism war. The Pope urged Israel to withdraw immediately from the occupied territories and urged the Americans to stop their support to Israel, through public recall of the two ambassadors, the Vatican said that all Christians in the World particularly the Catholics support the Palestinian people. Thus, it expressed its readiness to establish an international alliance with Islamic leadership to face up the Israeli-American alliance after the Europeans had rejected to join them in them aggression against the Palestinian p! eople or Iraqi people in the future. Previous Stories: The Vatican summons the ambassadors of the US, Israel ../020404/2002040421.html (4/4/2002) Pope John holds Israel responsible for violence in occupied lands ../020402/2002040242.html (4/2/2002) The Pope is concerned over deteriorates conditions in Palestinian territories ../020121/2002012116.html (1/21/2002) http://www.arabicnews.com/ansub/Daily/Day/020415/2002041563.html Forwarded for info and discussion from the New Paradigms Discussion List, not necessarily endorsed by: *** Lloyd Miller, Research Director for A-albionic Research a ruling class/conspiracy research resource for the entire political-ideological spectrum. **FREE RARE BOOK SEARCH: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ** Explore Our Archive: http://a-albionic.com/a-albionic.html A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Fwd: [OrderofSkullandBones] Delta Kappa Epsilon and Popes Society Oxford form Transatlantic Reciprocity Relationship
---BeginMessage--- http://dke.org/popes.htm FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE: For Further Information Contact: David K. Easlick, Jr., 313 886 2400, [EMAIL PROTECTED] or John E. James, 07940 027976, [EMAIL PROTECTED] Delta Kappa Epsilon and Popes Society Oxford form Transatlantic Reciprocity Relationship Grosse Pointe Farms, MI, Greyfriars Hall, Oxford University UK, January 4, 2000: David K. Easlick, Jr., Executive Director of Delta Kappa Epsilon Fraternity, and John E. James, The Warden, Popes Society Oxford are pleased to announce an exciting new reciprocal relationship between their two organizations. Delta Kappa Epsilon Fraternity is a traditional fraternal organization founded at Yale University in 1844. It has chapters at some 60 colleges and universities across the United States and Canada. Its distinguished alumni include four United States Presidents, George W. Bush, the current Republican Presidential Frontrunner, governors, legislators, statesmen, corporate leaders and scholars. Fraternities, in general, have tended to be a particularly North American phenomenon and despite significant alumni presence in Britain, strong linkages to the Old World have not developed and efforts to start chapters in England have not been productive. Popes Society - customarily known as Popes - is a member only Dining Society set in Oxford University, with a history dating back to the turn of the last century. Its membership is made up of certain chosen persons that have at one point or another been matriculated into the University of Oxford, or have been elected at the discretion of the main committee, the Curia. Regardless, membership is for life, and Popes members span all walks of life. Though Fraternities as such do not exist in the United Kingdom, the nearest alternative in Oxford are its dining societies, that espouse a common alliance among members, of which, Popes is one of the most successful in growth and circulation. Popes seeks the opportunity to have a close point of contact with an organisation within the United States that shares similar values and would be able to share ideas and thoughts. The two societies have an invaluable opportunity in forming an international relationship that will benefit both sides of the Atlantic. Both societies are suited in that they hold traditional fraternal values, and arise from older establishment. For Popes: The opportunity to have a close point of contact with an organization in the United States that shares similar values and would be able to share ideas and thoughts; host or help members in visits to member campuses in the US;simply provide a reliable source of information within the US on home affairs; provide an entry point as a reciprocal member to any of the Popes members who decide to undergo further study within the US. For DKE: The opportunity to have a close point of contact with an organization in the United Kingdom, though at present in Oxford, that shares similar values and would be able to share ideas and thoughts; host or help members in visits to Oxford; simply provide a reliable source of information within the UK on home affairs; provide an entry point as a reciprocal or honorary member to any of the DKE members that decide to undergo further study within the UK. For Both: The provisions of open reciprocal invitations to both societies functions and events when possible for a member to attend and the constant point of contact and communication on society business. To access Popes Oxford, click here. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- FONT COLOR=#99Buy Stock for $4 and no minimums. FREE Money 2002. /FONTA HREF=http://us.click.yahoo.com/orkH0C/n97DAA/ySSFAA/TySplB/TM;BClick Here!/B/A -~- To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ ---End Message---
[CTRL] Act Now to Stop War End Racism - 100,000 MARCH FOR PALESTINE! -
-Caveat Lector- International A.N.S.W.E.R. Act Now to Stop War End Racism http://www.internationalanswer.org 100,000 MARCH FOR PALESTINE! April 20 in Washington DC Members of the Muslim Community, Antiwar Activists, Latin American Solidarity Groups and People From All Over the United States Unite to Say: We Are All Palestinians! Today over 100,000 people marched in Washington DC in the largest pro-Palestinian rally in U.S. history. (Police estimated the figure at 75,000, cited in Washington Post, April 21.) Another 35,000 marched in San Francisco. Demanding an end to the U.S.-backed onslaught by the Israeli military against Palestinian civilians and calling for an immediate end to the Israeli occupation of the Palestinian homeland, protesters turned Pennsylvania Avenue into a sea of kaffiyas, the traditional Palestinian scarf worn by demonstrators in a show of solidarity. Free, free Palestine! echoed from the White House to the Department of Justice to the U.S. Capitol. Over 60,000 people demonstrated at the White House, where bus after bus from Mosques and Islamic Centers all over the eastern seaboard dropped off a stream of protesters that continued to pour into the rally from the opening speaker until the beginning of the march on Pennsylvania Avenue. Once the various rallies merged, tens of thousands filed past the Department of Justice demanding the repeal of the USA Patriot Act, and an immediate end to the Ashcroft raids on the Muslim and Arab community. Yesterday the U.S. threatened to veto a UN Security Council resolution calling for an investigation into the Jenin massacre, said Larry Holmes, co-director of the International Action Center, part of A.N.S.W.E.R. The U.S. finally forced the removal of the word `investigation' from the resolution language. This is one more example of how Sharon's war against Palestinian people is backed and protected by the George W. Bush. The U.S. is afraid the truth will come out, said Carl Messineo, co-founder of the Partnership for Civil Justice LDEF, also with A.N.S.W.E.R. And they're afraid of the kind of multinational solidarity shown for the Palestinian people by the people of the United States today in massive numbers. It has become impossible for the Bush administration to claim he speaks in the name of the United States when he bombs Afghanistan, pays for the slaughter of Palestinians and threatens Iraq. The people in this country want money for jobs and human needs, not war against the people of Palestine. For more information and to get involved, see: http://www.internationalanswer.org INTERNATIONAL A.N.S.W.E.R. Act Now to Stop War End Racism A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] aquino, abuse coverups, abuse increases, US detainees in Cuba and Afghan
-Caveat Lector- Amnesty International on Monday published a report, sent last week to the US Government, hitting out at violations of the rights of prisoners being held by the US Army in Cuba and Afghanistan. The USA's 'pick and choose' approach to the Geneva Convention is unacceptable, as is its failure to respect fundamental international human rights standards... these may be heavy for survivors. This may be heavy for survivors. All accusations are alleged. Michael Aquino, Man in Black - By Alex Constantine The uncanny attraction of the Third Reich â Nazi Germany â lies in the fact that it endorsed and practiced both dynamism and life-worship without restraint and to a world-shaking degree of success.- Michael Aquino. Michael Aquino claims to have reported directly to the Joint Chiefs of Staffâ¦. Dale Seago recalls, I joined a psychological warfare unit in 1976 at Fort MacArthur in San Pedro. I was a Spec 4. Later I went to ROTC for two years and returned to the same psyop unit with Aquino as a second lieutenantâ¦. Aquino split from the Church of Satan and formed the Temple of Set in 1975. He was already living in Santa Barbara and working at the psyop unit and I had not yet joined the cult. The unit was the 306th Psychological Operations Battalion, which dealt with psyop on a national policy level. [Seago transcript] The military was heavily represented in the Temple of Set. http://alexconstantine.50megs.com/index.html For 2 Decades, in 3 Countries, Priest Left a Trail of Sex Abuse by Dean E. Murphy with Juan Forero Nancy Siesel/The New York Times - 4/20/02 The Rev. Enrique DÃaz was convicted in 1991 of sexual abuse at St. Leo's parish in Queens, and deported to Venezuela, where it continued. He is now charged in Colombia. Child Abuse Shows First Increase in Seven Years - After seven years of declining rates of child abuse and neglect, the numbers of cases rose in 2000. Figures released yesterday by the Department of Health and Human Services show almost 900,000 victims of child abuse or neglect in 2000, with about 1,200 children losing their lives as a result of the abuse, according to the Associated PressAbout 3 million cases of abuse or neglect were referred to child protective services, but only about one-in-three were substantiated following investigation. Among the confirmed cases, 62 percent of the victims suffered neglect, 19 percent were physically abused, 10 percent were sexually abused and 8 percent were psychologically maltreated. In most of the cases -- 84 percent -- the children were abused by a parent. http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=storyu=/hsn/20020421/hl_hsn/health_high lights__april_nbsp_20__nbsp_2002 How a priest's past was hidden - In 1984, the Rev. John P. Connor molested a boy. Courts and the church concealed his crime. By David O'Reilly Inquirer Staff Writer 4/21/02 The Philadelphia Inquirer Four years after he molested a 14-year-old boy in South Jersey, a priest was back on the job in the Philadelphia suburbs... http://www.philly.com/mld/inquirer/3109363.htm Healing church's wounds - By Pete Mcaleer ...Rev. Gary Hayes stood before his congregation and told his story: A priest molested him when he was a teenage altar boy growing up in MillvilleWhen Hayes told his story to an attorney in 1993, becoming the first priest to file charges against another priest for sexually molesting a minor, he got a much different reaction. Camden Diocese Bishop James McHugh, now deceased, labeled the lawsuit a new kind of terrorism. Now news reports are mounting each day with stories of church leaders covering up sexual abuse allegations across the country. Hayes has kept an eye on his hometown diocese, which currently is a defendant in a class-action lawsuit that alleges a coverup of sexual abuse by 14 of its priests. http://www.pressofatlanticcity.com/news/newjersey/040802HAYES_A7.html http://www.hindustantimes.com/nonfram/150402/dlfor21.asp Amnesty blasts US over detainees in Afghanistan and Cuba AFP London, April 15 - Amnesty International on Monday published a report, sent last week to the US Government, hitting out at violations of the rights of prisoners being held by the US Army in Cuba and Afghanistan. The USA's 'pick and choose' approach to the Geneva Convention is unacceptable, as is its failure to respect fundamental international human rights standards, the Organisation said in the 62-page document. Amnesty repeated its request to Washington to be allowed to visit the prisoners held in Afghanistan and at the US Guantanamo base in Cuba where some 300 alleged members of the terrorist group Al-Qaeda or the Afghan Taliban were sent. A previous request sent to the US Government in January came to nothing, the London-based human rights organisation said. In its report, Amnesty again accused the United States of failing to grant the detainees rights that are universally recognised for any suspect placed in provisional detention. It denounced
[CTRL] All all these Hitlers really working for us [U.S.]
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Makkah imam hits out at world leaders for failure to rein in Israel
By a Staff Writer
Published on Saturday, April 20, 2002
JEDDAH, 20 April The imam of the Grand Mosque in Makkah yesterday strongly
criticized the international community for its inaction and silence over the brutal
Israeli aggression on the Palestinians in the occupied territories.
Where are the Security Council and other world organizations? Cant they hear the
cries of the bereaved and orphans and the wailing of widows in Palestine? Sheikh
Abdul Rahman Al- Sudais asked while delivering his Juma sermon, aired on Saudi
Television.
Sheikh Sudais said Israel was carrying out a war of ugly annihilation against the
Palestinians.
When the (Muslim) nation opted for peace to safeguard its greater interests they
(the Jews) did not reciprocate, he said.
Sudais, who could not hold back tears, was apparently referring to a Saudi offer of
peace with Israel in exchange for the Jewish states withdrawal from occupied Arab
lands that was endorsed by an Arab summit in Beirut last month.
The government of Israeli Prime Minister Ariel Sharon launched an all-out military
offensive against the West Bank on March 29, a day after the summit adopted the
peace initiative proposed by Crown Prince Abdullah, deputy premier and commander
of the National Guard.
Zionists have a long history of treachery and betrayal ... They are the heirs of the
Nazis and fascists, said the imam.
World leaders, you claim to be fighting terrorism, but what do you call what those
people did to Palestinians? asked Sudais. Are the aspirations of more than a billion
Muslims to safeguard their sanctities considered terrorism? he added.
Sheikh Sudais urged world leaders to slap a political and economic embargo on
Israel for committing war crimes and breaching international charters and
resolutions.
They (the Jews) want to establish a greater Israel with Jerusalem as its capital and
they aspire to tear down the Al-Aqsa Mosque, Islams third holiest place of worship,
to build their so-called temple on its ruins, he said.
He urged Muslim leaders to save Palestine before it is lost forever.
We have to take effective measures to realize the interests of the Islamic nation and
protect its achievements before being swept away by the torrent of changes, the
imam said.
At least 1,279 Palestinians have been killed since a Palestinian uprising began in
September 2000.
Sheikh Sudais called upon Muslims to provide moral and material support for their
Palestinian brethren. He commended the good response given by Saudis and
expatriates to a telethon organized by the Saudi Committee for the Support of the
Intifada.
In his Friday sermon, Sheikh Salah Al-Bedair, the imam of Prophets Mosque in
Madinah, urged Muslims to wake up from their slumber and work for redeeming their
glory.
Is it suitable for Muslims, who are large in numbers with plenty of resources, to
leave their brethren to the mercy of Jewish oppressors and occupiers, he asked.
He called upon Muslims to learn a lesson from their present predicament, turn to
God for help and shun prohibited things.
House donated: A retired Saudi employee from Taif has offered to sell his only house
to donate its value for the Palestinians, Al-Madinah newspaper said in a report.
The Saudi, who requested anonymity, confirmed that he did not have any other
property except his house a two-story building with an annex in Taif.
I am looking for an opportunity to sell the property so that I can donate the money to
the Palestinian people. This is the least I can do for our brethren in Palestine now,
the Arabic daily quoted the Saudi as saying.
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21apr02
LONDON: A 370-year-old book discovered under a pile of documents in a town hall
vault could change the history of the women's movement.
Wigan Council heritage officer Alan Davies stumbled across the dusty book in the
basement at Leigh Town Hall, Greater Manchester, while searching the archives for
another item.
Mr Davies uncovered the 182-page volume called Woman's Worth and subtitled A
treatise proveinge by sundrie reasons that women do excell men. In the book an
unnamed woman author set out her beliefs in the 1630s or 1640s that women are
better at everything than men.
Mr Davies said it was believed to be one of the earliest known writings on women's
rights.
When I looked at the style of writing and the binding we could date the book to the
17th century. Most people think of the women's movement emerging around the start
of the 20th century with Emily Pankhurst, he said.
There was a book written in the late 16th century and one in the 17th century about
women's rights but the authors were men.
This book could prove very important. Events might have been brought forward by a
few generations if it had been published.
Mr Davies passed copies of the book to Professor Kari McBride, an expert on the
history of women's rights at the Arizona University to study.
In an e-mail to Mr Davies, Professor McBride said: What a find. I wish I could hop
on a plane right now see this little treasure.
In chapter one of the book, Eve More Excellent Than Adam, the author argued that
Adam in the Bible was nothing else but clay or red earth. In chapter two, Eve Less
Sinful Than Adam, she wrote: Women do excell men in virtues and rare
endowments of the minde and I think we shall finde that herein also women doe farre
outstrip men.
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-Caveat Lector- On 21 Apr 2002 at 11:15, Xxx Yyy wrote: The leadership and that network is evil, using their own people callously. So now do you understand *why* I would made such a callous remark as to have our not-quite senior citizens go off to fight wars. Young people are full of hopes and dreams and look up to NQSC for guidance. Pick a spot on the globe and it's just natural for youthful exuberance to reveal itself ... might have something to do with biology. Anyway, when you look at the compositon of the leadership in this country, executive, congressional, and whathaveyou, those who are making policies that affect somebody's kids (what is the $$$ investment these days to age 18?), there is less and less hands-on involvement in military matters. The generation coming out of WW2 didn't have this problem; neither did Hollyweird, that gargantuan propagandizing 6th column. But the answer is not necessarily war to steel the mettle; we used to have a Dept of Defense (after the Dept of War died in 1947) before it became the Dept of Offense (think of the rationale for the new Northern Command). So, if the leaders and their golf buddies get to look forward to a time when they'll be called upon to put their behinds where their mouths are, I would say a lot more emphasis there would be on making policies that would tend to preserve their peace and tranquility. This is not anti-war; it's just putting those with the age, experience and ability to deliverately think into better positions to take action. Or to avoid action in a concerned way. the evil is organized by those who are rational, organized and in control of their faculties. And I'm recovering from what some might term a depressive state as a result. And I know the day and the hour when it set in. The evil is a hereditary (or should it be herd-itary) thing, passed on from generation to generation, if not by nature then by nurture. I'm a big fan of home schooling, unorganised religion, and semi-rural living. Have you (or anyone esle) read Gerry Spence's book, *From Freedom to Slavery* ? I'm almost done with it and I am inspired! AER A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
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Hello, Sorry for chiming in here, but a couple of points. One, this is a very nice sentiment that Jesus was a groovy, hip, make love not war kind of guy that became misrepresented. I like that. However, point 2 is that he is and has always been a myth. I am reacting to all of the pontificating as to what Jesus was, said, did and how and why he was crucified. It never happened. I read in a post that the reference to paying taxes to the Romans were added after the original gospels. The original gospels were not begun till the 2nd century and they were written as teaching tools for certain communities of Jews that presented lessons from the torah that were not threatening to the Romans. On a conspiracy list I am truly surprised by the amount of post's that I read from the point of view that any of this Judeo/Christian history is representative of real people and events. Also a little understanding of Roman history and legal procedures is in order. The events of the trial and crucifixion of Jesus is nothing more than a fabrication of events that allowed "Jesus" to achieve this resurrected status. The local establishment would not have heard a case at night from a mob of Jews, whom the Romans despised, and allowed the unruly proceedings to go forward with chants and accusations by the Jews in the courtroom. That would not happen. He would have cooled his heels in the local gray bar until the matter could be heard in an orderly fashion. Also, the claiming of being the messiah was quite in vogue so this claim of being the "king of the Jews" would not have been too impressive from the point of view of the local magistrate. Now, when we look to validation of Jesus's existence as a physical person, one will find a complete lack of contemporary texts or documents that concur, support or even misrepresent Jesus and his words and deeds from this time period. I will gladly try to field challenges to this claim. Please do not start with the two entries in the Works Of Josephus as they are blatant interpolations. And in fact, Josephus is one of the strongest testaments to the lack of a historical Jesus is his complete and utter ignorance of the man and his deeds. This is why the two interjected paragraphs are so obviously added later. The only validation comes from the bible itself. Paul wrote the letters of Romans, Corinthians, Galations and Ephesians starting from around 50CE and wrote till about 90CE. Acts was written long, long after and is presented before the epistles to obfuscate by embellishing on Paul with information that he does not present in his epistles. Paul seems totally unconcerned with Jesus and his life and ministry. He never teaches using Jesus on earth examples of his lessons. No, "Well Corinthians, when I went to the mount where he was crucified" or, "Well, as Jesus preached in the sermon on the mount..." He seems to be either ignorant of his life, family, ministry miracles and gospels, or somehow while trying to bring these groups of peoples into the folds of Christianity, he just doesn't think it is relevant. This is the argument from silence and it is a powerful one. A man who was sought out by Kings to confer with and did miracles on a daily basis, no one seems to know about him. None of the contemporary historians, miscellaneous documents, deeds, court records, Roman protectorate correspondence, nada. The transformation of a spiritual Jesus to an historic man took place over time and was the joining of many different perceptions of Christianity. The new testament did not drop out of the sky. It was the result of a process that occurred over time and with much debate and deceit. There was forgery of texts, documents and letters to support the historical Jesus legend in an attempt to be superior to Paganism by having a real live man turned God that was on earth instead of some wimpy Dionysus. The church fathers in the 3rd century took myth and midrash, a few letters and "gospels" and brought them together, under Constantine, and formed what we know as Christianity. db ...they would if they could convince them that the same individual was also somehow a threat to the state, which is exactly what the sanhedrin did simply because he happened to refer to himself as the "king of the jews" from time to time. now, it's true that the popular view of the messiah at the time was that he was going to be a warrior king, and it's true that the romans didn't like large groups of people crowding around "revolutionaries"; butjesus was neither a potential warrior king nor a revolutionary. he was just a crazy hippie pushing brotherly love and not a real threat to rome at all. i've never seen any evidence stating that the romans really even took jesus seriously; pilate certainly had nothing against him. it wasn't for years after that all of a sudden christianity emerged as a problem for the romans after all. *shrug*.
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-Caveat Lector- Of all the alleged historical errors in the Gospels, which would you say is the most serious? POC On Sun, 21 Apr 2002, Don S. Brown wrote: Hello, Sorry for chiming in here, but a couple of points. One, this is a very nice sentiment that Jesus was a groovy, hip, make love not war kind of guy that became misrepresented. I like that. However, point 2 is that he is and has always been a myth. I am reacting to all of the pontificating as to what Jesus was, said, did and how and why he was crucified. It never happened. I read in a post that the reference to paying taxes to the Romans were added after the original gospels. The original gospels were not begun till the 2nd century and they were written as teaching tools for certain communities of Jews that presented lessons from the torah that were not threatening to the Romans. On a conspiracy list I am truly surprised by the amount of post's that I read from the point of view that any of this Judeo/Christian history is representative of real people and events. Also a little understanding of Roman history and legal procedures is in order. The events of the trial and crucifixion of Jesus is nothing more than a fabrication of events that allowed Jesus to achieve this resurrected status. The local establishment would not have heard a case at night from a mob of Jews, whom the Romans despised, and allowed the unruly proceedings to go forward with chants and accusations by the Jews in the courtroom. That would not happen. He would have cooled his heels in the local gray bar until the matter could be heard in an orderly fashion. Also, the claiming of being the messiah was quite in vogue so this claim of being the king of the Jews would not have been too impressive from the point of view of the local magistrate. Now, when we look to validation of Jesus's existence as a physical person, one will find a complete lack of contemporary texts or documents that concur, support or even misrepresent Jesus and his words and deeds from this time period. I will gladly try to field challenges to this claim. Please do not start with the two entries in the Works Of Josephus as they are blatant interpolations. And in fact, Josephus is one of the strongest testaments to the lack of a historical Jesus is his complete and utter ignorance of the man and his deeds. This is why the two interjected paragraphs are so obviously added later. The only validation comes from the bible itself. Paul wrote the letters of Romans, Corinthians, Galations and Ephesians starting from around 50CE and wrote till about 90CE. Acts was written long, long after and is presented before the epistles to obfuscate by embellishing on Paul with information that he does not present in his epistles. Paul seems totally unconcerned with Jesus and his life and ministry. He never teaches using Jesus on earth examples of his lessons. No, Well Corinthians, when I went to the mount where he was crucified or, Well, as Jesus preached in the sermon on the mount... He seems to be either ignorant of his life, family, ministry miracles and gospels, or somehow while trying to bring these groups of peoples into the folds of Christianity, he just doesn't think it is relevant. This is the argument from silence and it is a powerful one. A man who was sought out by Kings to confer with and did miracles on a daily basis, no one seems to know about him. None of the contemporary historians, miscellaneous documents, deeds, court records, Roman protectorate correspondence, nada. The transformation of a spiritual Jesus to an historic man took place over time and was the joining of many different perceptions of Christianity. The new testament did not drop out of the sky. It was the result of a process that occurred over time and with much debate and deceit. There was forgery of texts, documents and letters to support the historical Jesus legend in an attempt to be superior to Paganism by having a real live man turned God that was on earth instead of some wimpy Dionysus. The church fathers in the 3rd century took myth and midrash, a few letters and gospels and brought them together, under Constantine, and formed what we know as Christianity. db ...they would if they could convince them that the same individual was also somehow a threat to the state, which is exactly what the sanhedrin did simply because he happened to refer to himself as the king of the jews from time to time. now, it's true that the popular view of the messiah at the time was that he was going to be a warrior king, and it's true that the romans didn't like large groups of people crowding around revolutionaries; butjesus was neither a potential warrior king nor a revolutionary. he was just a crazy hippie pushing brotherly love and not a real threat to rome at all. i've never seen any evidence stating that the romans really even took jesus
[CTRL] Fwd: [RMNEWS] WHAT IS REALLY GOING ON IN WASHINGTON AND THE MIDDLE EAST?
---BeginMessage--- Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- FONT COLOR=#99Buy Stock for $4 and no minimums. FREE Money 2002. /FONTA HREF=http://us.click.yahoo.com/orkH0C/n97DAA/ySSFAA/zgSolB/TM;BClick Here!/B/A -~- From Rayelan, Publisher of Rumor Mill News First, let me apologize for any typos in this article - when you get down to the bottom you will see that I am under a deadline for moving out of my house!! Needless to say, I do not have the time to proof this... sorry! WHAT IS REALLY GOING ON IN WASHINGTON AND THE MIDDLE EAST? Several weeks ago I took the time to scan in several articles and speeches I worked on in 1984. These articles dealt with Armageddon, and I titled the compilation, DOES ARMAGEDDON REALLY MEAN GENOCIDE FOR THE JEWS? ...some theologians feel on the basis of reading Zachariah:14 that two-thirds of the Jews will be slaughtered. H. L. Wilmington, leader of Jerry Falwell's Liberty Home Bible Institute. The current interpretation of Armageddon places Armageddon in Israel! In order for Jesus to return and fulfill Biblical prophecy, Jews have to die in a mass slaughter that could rightly be called - Genocide Here is the link to the article if you haven't read it: http://www.rumormillnews.com/ARMAGEDDON%20ARTICLE.htm This week one of our agent's brought an article to the forum that tells me two things... 1. George Bush may be deviating from the New World Order plan for Jerusalem as the first prototype World City... later to become the Capital of a One World Government. 2. The world MUST face the fact that there are madmen (and women) in the world, who are so blinded by hatred, religious fervor, or an insane commitment to a ONE WORLD GOVERNMENT -- NO MATTER HOW MANY PEOPLE HAVE TO DIE!! -- that the entire world is in danger! Rosalinda's Article: http://www.rumormillnews.net/cgi-bin/config.pl?read=19204 The articles that Rosalinda wrote about were printed in the Jerusalem Post, the LA Times and the Christian Science Moniter. From the LA Times: Hawks Dominate Debate on U.S. Policy in Region Diplomacy: Within the political establishment, Bush draws fire for calling on Sharon to pull Israeli forces out of the West Bank. http://latimes.com/news/nationworld/world/la-27751apr18.story Quoting: Israel's defiance of a call by President Bush to withdraw from the West Bank has prompted an unexpected political reaction in America: a backlash against Bush for issuing the demand at all. In the last week, leading Democrats such as Sens. Joseph I. Lieberman (D-Conn.) and Hillary Rodham Clinton (D-N.Y.) have joined conservative Republicans in denouncing Bush's call for Israeli Prime Minister Ariel Sharon to end military operations against the Palestinians. CNN carried an article about Powell's failure to bring about peace. In the article was a brief mention of the letter written to President Bush by a potent array of influential conservatives. Quoting: On one side, a potent array of influential conservatives -- including Gary Bauer, William Bennett and Richard Perle -- who wrote a letter to President Bush urging him to stand firm with Israel. end quote I know I don't need to remind regular Rumor Mill News readers that Agents of the New World Order come in every color, religion, and political persuasion. Hillary Clinton is rumored to be the leading candidate for FIRST president of the ONE World Government, or at least as Secretary General of the United Nations when it FINALLY ushers in the ONE WORLD GOVERNMENT it was founded in order to create! In my opinion, Joseph Lieberman is too dumb to even KNOW he is being used as a puppet of people whose sworn agenda is the dissolution of EVERY sovereign nation and the creation of a One World Eco-Slave Government! William Bennett has been in the New World Order camp for as long as he has been in politics. So has his brother Robert Bennett, President Clinton's attorney during MonicaGate! Richard Perle is a Jew who is a traitor to Jews as are MOST Jews who work for the New World Order! Their commitment to a One World Government sees the sacrifice of Israel and ALL the Jews who are living there. (Some people believe that this is intended in order to get rid of the fake Jews! - In other words, the Jews who believe they are really descended from Abraham want to get rid of Jews who don't have a drop of Jewish blood in them! These are the Kazars, but I believe others are included.) In my opinion, Richard Perle AND Ariel Sharon take their orders DIRECTLY from the CRF - the current architects who are planning the a One World Government! I do not believe Gary Bauer is knowingly working for the New World Order, but someone needs to take him aside and let him know that by siding with the likes of Bennett and Perle he
[CTRL] Not On Our Side: The Right Blames God and Bush for Sept. 11?
http://www.alternet.org/story.html?StoryID=12909
Not On Our Side: The Right Blames God and Bush for Sept. 11?
David Corn, AlterNet
April 19, 2002
When Representative Cynthia McKinney, a Georgia Democrat and prominent member of the Congressional Black Caucus, recently told a radio interviewer that the Bush Administration had advance notice of the Sept. 11 attacks and did not "warn the innocent people of New York who were needlessly murdered," she was roundly -- and not undeservedly -- criticized in the political-media world for peddling unproven conspiracy theories. But when a senator took to the Senate floor and said the Sept. 11 attacks were retribution from God in response to U.S. policy toward Israel, a similar firestorm did not ensue.
Last month, Sen. James Inhofe, an Oklahoma Republican, gave a speech in the Senate and asserted that Israel is "entitled" to the West Bank. He also chastised those within the United States who have urged Israeli restraint, blaming them for Sept. 11.
"One of the reason I believe the spiritual door was opened for an attack against the United States of America," Inhofe huffed, "is that the policy of our government has been to ask the Israelis, and demand it with pressure, not to retaliate in a significant way against the terrorist strikes that have been launched against them."
In other words, on Sept. 11, God allowed airliners to be piloted into the World Trade Towers and the Pentagon because U.S. actions related to Israel were not to His/Her liking. How else to interpret Inhofe's words? A "spiritual door opened" for the attack? Well, who's in charge of spiritual doors -- and opening and closing them?
Inhofe is clearly suggesting the United States was punished because the Bush Administration and, I suppose, previous administrations had not been more supportive of Israel. Three billion dollars a year in economic and military aid apparently is not sufficient in the eyes of the Almighty. So, like McKinney, Inhofe holds the Bush gang accountable for the deaths of thousands, though he is less explicit. McKinney called for an investigation, but, alas, Inhofe, did not. Otherwise, CSPAN viewers could be treated to hearings where religious experts would testify to the workings of "spiritual doors" and how one determines what secular actions most influence the doorkeeper upstairs.
Inhofe's remarks are reminiscent of the ravings uttered by Jerry Falwell and Pat Robertson days after the awful attacks. The pair accused the ACLU, abortion rights advocates, feminists, gays and lesbians, and People for the American Way (a liberal interest group) of degrading the nation and, thus, pissing off God. As Falwell said, "God continues to lift the curtain and allow the enemies of America to give us probably what we deserve." ("That's my feeling," Robertson piped up.) After the two were criticized across the political spectrum, Falwell and Robertson issued phony apologies. But long-term damage had (thank God!) been done to their reputations.
Inhofe's case is a bit different.
He's no TV preacher; he's a lawmaker. And his remarks did not come in the emotionally chaotic days following the attacks; his comments were made after he had months to reflect. He has, as far as I can tell, received no flak for his we-deserved-Sept. 11 statement. But 200 or so Tulsa Muslims did march on his office a month later to protest another portion of his speech: Inhofe's insistence that God handed the West Bank to the Jewish people. How does Inhofe know that? It's in the Bible. In that same floor speech, Inhofe offered seven reasons why Washington ought to back Israeli claims in the West Bank.
His reason number seven -- "the most important reasons" -- was this: "Because God said so ... Look it up in the book of Genesis ... In Genesis 13:14-17, the Bible says: the Lord said to Abram [later known as Abraham], 'Lift up now your eyes, and look from the place where you are northward, and southward, and eastward and westward: for all the land which you see, to you I will give it, and to your seed forever ... Arise, walk through the land in the length of it and in the breadth of it; for I will give it to thee.'" Abram was in Hebron at the time, and Hebron is in the West Bank. So this must mean God granted the Jews all that territory forever.
In Inhofe's mind, these few sentences in the Bible decide the matter, end of story. This is fundamentalism. And not too far a throw from the Islamic fundamentalism used by terrorists who point to the Koran to justify their actions.
When the anti-Inhofe protesters in Tulsa noted that the Bible and the Koran say Jews and Muslims are both descendants of Abraham, Inhofe responded, "I am not wavering from my view." He argued that, according to Genesis, the Jewish line has a special covenant with God. If Inhofe is going to take his Middle East policy guidance directly from Genesis, he has a problem, for in Genesis 15, God makes another real-estate promise to Abram. One
[CTRL] ATF Experiments in Building Home Made ANFO Truck Bombs in 1994
Why Did Bill Clinton's National Security Council Fund ATF "Experiments" in Building Home Made ANFO Truck Bombs in 1994? Media Bypass Magazine November 1996 (B)ureau of (A)nfo (T)ruck-Bomb (F)abrication By Lawrence Myers According to the federal government, an Ammonia Nitrate-Fuel Oil (ANFO) truck bomb allegedly destroyed the Alfred P. Murrah building in downtown Oklahoma City on the morning of Wednesday, April 19, 1995. Also, according to recently released government documents, an individual experienced in loading large amounts of ammonia nitrate fertilizer into a vehicle for use as a terrorist truck bomb was present at the OKC scene and actually witnessed the worst terrorist attack in U.S. history. Records indicate that this ANFO explosives expert and his associates had constructed and destroyed at least eight vehicles in "test bombing experiments" out at a secret range in the New Mexico desert in the twelve months prior to the OKC bombing. He and his fellow explosives experts even photographed and videotaped these truck bombs as they detonated. This individual is, however, not a known associate of suspects Terry Lynn Nichols and Timothy James McVeigh or any so-called "anti government militia" in the United States. The "vehicle bomb expert," Special Agent Harry Everhart, is an employee of the Bureau of Alcohol Tobacco and Firearms. And, according to federal government records obtained by Media Bypass, Everhart, an accomplished ATF expert in ANFO truck bombs, was actually one of the first federal law officers to report the details of the bombing to his superiors from the scene in front of the Murrah Building, within minutes of the blast. The Department of Treasury confirms that Everhart called the ATF office in Dallas on his cellular phone and reported that the Murrah Building had just been attacked by an ANFO truck bomb at around 9:20 a.m. that morning. Records reveal that this particular ATF agent would clearly be qualified to make such an instant observation. Everhart, based out of the BATF's Oklahoma City Resident Agency, serves on the National Response Team (NRT), a group of experienced bomb and arson investigators who respond to major bombing crime scenes throughout the United States. He also served on a secret government project in 1994 that conducted tests using ANFO and C-4 to blow up cars and vans in a classified U.S. government experiment known as "Project Dipole Might." According to files, reports and photographs obtained by Media Bypass from the Department of the Treasury through a Freedom of Information Act request, the United States government initiated a "comprehensive ANFO and C4 vehicle bomb testing program" about a year before the OKC bombing. Records show the project was supervised and administered by ATF, but was actually funded through a National Security Council directive. The Department of Treasury confirms the project was initiated under President Bill Clinton's NSC White House staff shortly after he took office in 1993. The "Road" to Oklahoma City? The documents reveal that ATF not only built and detonated these home-made vehicle bombs, they actually set up test surfaces to replicate "four of the most common roadbed types in the United States," to cause the bombs to function in an environment where the crime scene teams evidently expected to encounter such a device somewhere in America. Furthermore, video footage obtained through these secret experiments is expected to be presented as evidence in the government's case against suspects Timothy James McVeigh and Terry Lynn Nichols. The stated intent of the Dipole Might experiments in 1994 includes making videos and computer models to "be displayed in a courtroom to aid in the prosecution of defendants" in vehicle bomb cases, according to government documents concerning the purpose of the project. The exact precedent and purpose of this activity is unclear. ATF agents started blowing up vans and cars in Spring, 1994 at the White Sands Missile Range in order to supposedly collect test data for post-blast forensics computer software packages to be issued out to National Response Team personnel when they respond to truck bombings. Why the National Security Council would fund such an ATF project, despite the absolute rarity of the crime, has not been explained. The NSC is part of the Executive Branch and evidently mandated the ATF's funding for Dipole Might in early 1993, shortly after Bill Clinton was sworn in as President. Nor has it been explained as to what specific threat assessment information the government had when it decided to engage in such a project, just a few months before a Ryder Truck laden with ammonium nitrate fertilizer exploded in front of the Murrah Building. Indeed the only major ANFO vehicle bombing in U.S. history, prior to OKC, occurred in August, 1970 at the University of Wisconsin, in Madison, Wis. One of the key suspects in that bombing, Leo Frederick Burt, is, incidently, still at large.
[CTRL] 2 Venezuelan Coup Plotters Paid $200,000 Out Of Miami Bank
http://talkingpointsmemo.com/april0203.html#041802144am April 18th, 2002 -- 1:44 AM EDT The key mistake made by most people who endorse conspiracy theories is assuming that discrepancies in different accounts of a single event point to deception or the existence of some hidden truth behind the maze of contradictions. The messiness and ambiguity of real-life events is what they don't figure on. Military men call it the fog of war. But the same concept applies to everyday life, particularly to its more hectic and confusing moments. Reality, you might say, tends to be rather over-determined. The various accounts surfacing of the Venezuelan coup and the United States government's reaction to it brings this to mind. Yet there is still something odd and perplexing about the drifting accounts being provided by administration officials. Every day there's a new detail. Each new detail is provided to exonerate administration officials but as often as not they tend rather to inculpate them. For instance, discussions at which US officials told Venezuela's future coup plotters that they would not support a coup. Well, how'd the topic come up exactly? Or Otto Reich's statement that he tried to prevent 'interim' President Carmona from dissolving the National Assembly. That sounds as much like coup-management as trying to support democracy. I've never thought that the US was 'behind' this coup in a strong sense. But administration officials seem to be implicated in it in various small and -- let's just say it -- incompetent ways. Let me point out another interesting discrepancy. Tomorrow's Washington Post has what strikes me as an extremely ingenuous article by Scott Wilson, based largely on an interview with 'interim' President Carmona. Wilson says Carmona only got the job because he was the only guy who didn't want it. Perhaps Wilson needs to read up on literary and political tropes -- I think that line warranted a touch more skepticism. Much of the piece looks like it was dictated by Carmona's post-coup spin-doctor (you know, he's just a bespectacled economist, happened upon this coup thing...). Anyway, let me point out this discrepancy that strikes me as important. In Wilson's article Carmona says he visited Washington in November to meet with John Maisto, Bush's Latin America guy at NSC, Energy Secretary Spence Abraham and Assistant Secretary of State Otto Reich. Then Carmona said he "next spoke with U.S. officials Saturday morning at the presidential palace when he received the recently arrived U.S. ambassador, Charles Shapiro, and the Spanish ambassador." But if Wilson or his editors would have read today's edition of an obscure metropolitan daily called The New York Times they might have noticed the following contradiction. The Times article quotes a State Department official saying that Assistant Secretary Reich placed an urgent call to Carmona on Friday, one day earlier. It's a pretty big difference since the coup took place in the overnight hours between Thursday and Friday. Why wasn't this discrepancy pointed out in the interview or at least in the article? Good question. As it happens, I just now notice that tomorrow the Times reports that the State Department has now changed its story -- 'revised' is the term they use. Reich didn't contact Carmona on Friday. He asked Ambassador Shapiro to talk to Carmona. And Shapiro talked to Carmona on Friday. First, that's a pretty big change in the story. Second, the discrepancy in the day when contact is made still stands, even though the personnel is different. Then there's another strange thing that pops out from the apparently hastily written and indifferently copyedited Post story. Read these four grafs nestled more than half way down into the article ... At least three people who landed key jobs within the provisional government have acknowledged that they met with U.S. officials in the past six months. One of them was Vice Adm. Carlos Molina, who said that he had a meeting with a U.S. official outside the U.S. Embassy within the past six weeks. But U.S. officials say that although they were aware of the growing dissent, they sought to distance the United States from opposition figures that might be plotting a coup. In November, the U.S. ambassador at the time, Donna Hrinak, took the unusual step of ordering the embassy's military attache to stop meeting with a group of dissident officers, according to a U.S. official. That group, according to a Western diplomat here, included Molina, Air Force Col. Pedro Soto and several other officers who in February publicly demand Chavez's removal. The U.S. diplomat said Soto and Molina each received $100,000 from a Miami bank account for denouncing Chavez. Soto and Molina could not be reached for comment today. Molina is under arrest and was the subject of a military hearing today. Soto is among three officers seeking asylum in the Bolivian Embassy. Hold on a second. They each got
[CTRL] Chemtrails - A Deficiency From Coast To Coast
http://www.rense.com/general24/ffd.htm Chemtrails - A Deficiency >From Coast To Coast By Clifford E Carnicom www.carnicom.com 4-21-2 An Editorial One of the primary responsibilites of the media is to distribute truthful and comprehensive information to the public on the important issues that are likely to affect our lives and welfare. In relation to the aerosol operations that continue to be conducted without citizen consent, there has been a wholesale failure of the national media organizations to fulfill that role with any level of dignity. In the face of such a callous disregard for the welfare of the citizenry, one would hope that the so-called "alternative media" would serve as a champion to compensate for the needs of any deprived or manipulated audience. Isolated and limited examples of thorough and truthful disclosure through this alternative media have surfaced and they are entitled to their due praise. There remains, however, a tall order of deficiency that requires confrontation, exposure and accountability to serve the larger and more important goals of public awareness, knowledge and activism. It has become apparent by now that I usually refrain from comments of a personal nature with respect to the aerosol operations. In contrast, this page is explicitly presented to the reader as an editorial comment, with the underlying motive to express concern and alarm at the failure of the last bastions of the free press and media to serve the public interest. Nowhere is this deficiency of serving the public welfare more apparent than with the presentations on the aerosol operations that have been channeled through Mr. Art Bell, of the Coast to Coast nightly radio program. There is no doubt that Mr. Bell commands a significant influence over a large segment of the national radio audience, and it is further granted this influence has been rightly earned with tremendous effort, devotion and passion over a successful career of many years. It is also equally and painfully apparent that this influence has now been carefully managed to restrict a full, accurate and truthful discussion of the criminal and covert aerosol operations that remain active. Mr. Bell has characterized these same aerosol operations on a recent show as a "belief" by "thousands" of individuals across the country. Nothing could be further from the truth. The criminal aerosol operations have nothing to do with any "belief" system; the knowledge painstakingly acquired over the last three years by a myriad of researchers and concerned citizens is factual, observable and subject to rigorous examination by all parties that seek the truth on that which is affecting their lives, health and welfare. To characterize carefully accumulated evidence of photography, videography, air filtration and rainfall samples, spectroscopy, meteorological studies, laboratory and chemical analyses, microscopy, aviation physics, direct methods of particulate observation, visibility studies, deteriorating air quality, insurance exclusions, drought considerations, plasma physics and electromagnetic considerations, biological investigations, eyewitness testimony, fleeting congressional legislation, federal mortality and illness statistics, and the patent and documented failure of federal and state officials and organizations to adequately address the civil calls for investigation as a "belief" is disingenuous at best. The events now recorded as a part of our history are both physical and factual; to cloak the vast body of evidence now available to us all as a "belief" indicates manipulation, strategy, denial and speciousness. This is especially the case when exercised from the pulpit of public influence afforded by the widely broadcast Coast to Coast radio program. The careful restriction of information that is presented by Mr. Bell to the public for critical examination and review is lamentable and represents a disservice to the enterprise of a free media that is critical to our survival as a nation. Any long term emphasis upon entertainment over substance will eventually take its toll. It is equally misrepresentative to tally the incensed and aware populace as numbering in the "thousands". It is surely plain at this stage of the battle that awareness of the aerosol operations now involves a population base that likely encompasses millions. This progress exists despite the coordinated efforts to contain the flow of comprehensive information and organized efforts at a national level. It is to be understood that I have no personal agenda or goal of fullfilling any enagement of presentation on the Coast to Coast network; I have the utmost respect for the right of managerial discretion and the privileges of the capitalist enterprise. I do not actively seek speaking engagements as it is not my forte; my work in all forms is to be offered as a public service. It is known that Mr. Bell is aware of research conducted by myself, and hopefully he is aware
[CTRL] Skolnick- A Letter To Daddy (Overthrow Of The American Republic - Part 10)
http://www.rense.com/general24/ov.htm Skolnick - The Overthrow Of The American Republic - Part 10 By Sherman H. Skolnick [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.skolnicksreport.com 4-21-2 A Letter To Daddy In the worst of all worlds or even the best of all worlds, there is always a reason for censorship. At the time of the Soviets and their dreaded secret political police, a few Soviet writers occasionally made a point with a supposedly fictional tale, actually true. In current parlance, it would be called flying below the radar, or putting a wing on the buzz. Even so, some Soviet writers had to flee the country. A great fairy tale is that America is the land of the free. But, telling the truth can cost you your job, your career, your personal happiness and security. Living in a good style is not free. Americans who do not own their own digs, still call the owner collecting the rent, the LANDLORD. To many thoughtless renters, Old English fear-provoking putdowns do not seem to refer to great negatives. Who notices? Law books have a section on MASTER and SERVANT. Considering themselves "losers", some call themselves wage slaves. Close enough to the incandescent bulb of reality to sense both the light and the heat, an insider told us a story. There once was a fellow with a famous father. Or was the elder, sinister and infamous? He wanted his oldest son to go in footsteps as planned by the Family. Sonny boy was selected to be the new head of the company, with worldwide business. The firm required someone to guide it who knew big business, politics, and how to be successful. How to influence if not bribe foreign potentates who were sources of company revenue---that had to be ingrained in the top executive. Junior never was greatly interested in foreign business, the history of the world, even current affairs. But Daddy was in good health. And Daddy and his friends would tell him how to run the company, and avoid pitfalls. With the latest technology, Junior could get virtual face to face advice from Daddy, even if both were thousands of miles apart. Daddy would fill up the nearby executive offices with Daddy's advisers. And Daddy's circle would write the company statements for Junior to read. As the designated head of the firm, Junior knew he had to play the part and be the front man. Yes, there were problems even being selected to be the head man. The Board of Directors, as Junior well knew, were Daddy's fixers. The Directors had big investments in other companies. The convoluted connections were such, that the Directors had to make unholy deals---get this---with a competing firm. This trick cost 40 million dollars of off-the-books funds. Of all things, a competitor knew some inside details that could have prevented the Board of Directors from accepting Junior as the new head man. And who started the vicious rumors, that Junior was a misfit and would steer the company into a wreck? Did these terrible stories some from competitors or from some old-timers inside Junior's own company? Junior took over as the head man in an off-year. Business was not good. The firm's French unit was causing all kinds of business problems. The frogs, as Daddy called the Frenchies, had their own commercial intelligence unit that was, of all things, compiling dirt on Junior. The purpose? TO get better commissions and shipping terms for the Paris branch. To show they are serious, the frogs instigated two highly skilled investigative reporters to come out with a book detailing crooked business deals that Junior's home office had with their Mid-East affiliates. As the book pointed out, a top official in one of the company's subsidiaries, resigned. Why? As quoted in the book, he claimed that Junior and Daddy told him to stop asking questions about a certain family of Mid-East swindlers who were secretly in business with Daddy and Junior, and with Daddy's advisers and fixers. In his first year on the job, Junior was told by Daddy's advisers that the company was in big doo-doo. The company, they said, in fact may simply melt down, its stock go to hell, and the firm go bankrupt. The advisers told Daddy that Junior was, after all, a misfit, and not capable of guiding the firm through a financial storm. The company's bankers wanted something done and Junior, they claimed, was not equipped to handle it. Would the second in command of the firm agree to take over? The company doctor said the latest medical check-up showed a lot of negatives for that person. The book circulated throughout Europe by the frogs was causing the company's European customers to be greatly concerned. Would some European television network program put the whole mess on the air? Their documentary makers were quietly in the U.S. for some time now. The parent company's problems could spread throughout the subsidiaries. The various units of the firm have for some time been falsely showing huge profits by cooking their books. Junior was not interested to know
Re: [CTRL] Not On Our Side: The Right Blames God and Bush for Sept. 11?
-Caveat Lector- Ruppert-Basher David Corn misrepresented what McKinney said. What a surprise. What McKinney said: http://hamilton.indymedia.org:8081/front.php3?article_id=1487group=webcast In a recent interview with a Berkeley, Calif., radio station, McKinney said: We know there were numerous warnings of the events to come on September 11th. ... What did this administration know and when did it know it, about the events of September 11th? Who else knew, and why did they not warn the innocent people of New York who were needlessly murdered? ... What do they have to hide? McKinney declined to be interviewed Thursday, but she issued a statement saying: I am not aware of any evidence showing that President Bush or members of his administration have personally profited from the attacks of 9-11. A complete investigation might reveal that to be the case. --- A copy of the article and the surprising poll results (46% of respondents said they thought officials knew 911 was coming) are on the page at the above address. Thank you Hamilton indymedia! In a message dated 4/21/02 7:12:44 PM Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Not On Our Side: The Right Blames God and Bush for Sept. 11? David Corn, A HREF=http://www.alternet.org/;AlterNet/A April 19, 2002 When Representative Cynthia McKinney, a Georgia Democrat and prominent member of the Congressional Black Caucus, recently told a radio interviewer that the Bush Administration had advance notice of the Sept. 11 attacks and did not warn the innocent people of New York who were needlessly murdered, she was roundly -- and not undeservedly -- criticized in the political-media world for peddling unproven conspiracy theories. But when a senator took to the Senate floor and said the Sept. 11 attacks were retribution from God in response to U.S. policy toward Israel, a similar firestorm did not ensue. A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Abe Lincoln murdered by Mary Todd Lincoln?
-Caveat Lector- (Fascinating stuff, found by WebFairy, the whatzit pioneer. See http://whatzit/bravepages.com for whatzit info.) http://web2.airmail.net/dsh440/roots.html Date: Sat, 01 Nov 1997 01:17:44 -0800 From: BRIAN DAVID ANDERSEN [EMAIL PROTECTED] MIME-Version: 1.0 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: MARY TODD POPPED HONEST ABE - THEY NEED LIGHT AND MORE X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Status: U THE GUN THAT SHOT ABRAHAM LINCOLN AND IS DISPLAYED ON THE WALL OF FORDS THEATER TODAY IS A WOMAN'S DERRINGER WITH A WHITE PEARL HANDLE!! Would anyone (especially a man in the 1860s) in their right mind try to kill the President of the United States with a one shot small pistol normally carried by a woman? Six shooter revolvers existed in the 1860s and if one were to plot to kill a President, one would logically have more than one bullet in the barrel. Mary Todd Lincoln, like many women in Washington during the American Civil War carried a derringerBut Mary Todd also owned a derringer with a white pearl handlethat fact is in the National Archives. And she waved, flashed and flaunted her pearly pop gun often on the streets of Washington D.C. and The White House. Lincoln was shot on the left side of his head and Mary Todd was left handed. Mary Todd was barred from attending the funeral and two armed guards made sure she did not leave her room for 10 days after the shooting that fact is in the National Archives. Mary Todd Lincoln was denied the normal customary widowers pension three times by the U.S. Congress (Today the pension is automatic). Mary Todd like so many high society persons in Washington D.C. during the 1860s was an opium addict... that fact is in the Library of Congress. Her drug supplier also was a part time actor who doubled for the real full time actor John Wilkes Booth when he had multiple appearances on the same day in two different cities. Abraham had the Treasury Department print money and that really pissed-off the Rothschilds and others because they did not want any competition with money they printed via their private company called the Federal Reserve Bank. Lincoln had to go because he betrayed his family but the plot was to discredit him by revealing that he had an affair with a Hapsburg illegitimate offspring and the royal sex resulted in two children. The part time actor (Mary's catnip boy) was sent to Ford's theater to inform the President that an important message was waiting for him at the War Department. The plot then was to knock-out Abe and smuggle him (An empty carriage was found at the back of Ford's Theater the night of the shooting) onto a sea vessel, drug him for several days and return him to Washington in a daze as the press zeroed in on the drugged President, the facts and pictures (there are many) of his illegitimate family would be released. The President would have to resign and Mary Todd was part of this plot. However Stanton and the Rothschilds underestimated the revenge of a delirious First Lady strung-out on opium who has just discovered that her hubby had popped a secret, illegal yet royal family. Now Mary Todd was also going to do some popping. As the part time imposter actor opened the door to the suite at Ford's Theater to summon the President, he was shocked and horrified to see Mary Todd pointing and firing her woman's derringer into her husband's head. Mary Todd was sitting to the right of Lincoln. With her left hand she was able to reach behind Lincoln's back very naturally without any strain and point the gun to the lower left skull area of Lincoln's head. Linda, I and others believe Abe probably had his head on Mary's left shoulder and he was resting or was asleep thus making the shot even easier. With Abe resting his head on Mary's left shoulder, the right side of his lower skull was not accessible to Mary's left hand with the gun. The imposter actor panicked because he knew his buddies downstairs would blame him for shooting the President - and that was not the game plan at all or he was set-up as the fall guy / patsy from the beginning. Either way going back downstairs was not a good idea so the drug pusher jumped from the Presidential box seats into the third act of the play at Ford's Theater and broke his leg. The term Break A Leg used in the theater comes from Booth's (the fake one) flying leap into the third act of Our American Cousin performed at Fords Theater on April 14, 1865. The real John Wilkes Booth had no choice but to escape on the first ship to India because his career and reputation were blasted away by a junkie and her wacked out and desperate supplier claiming to be Booth. The fake Booth escaped to Grandbury Texas and did some acting but his alcoholism and blabbering mouth resulted in his murder by arsenic poisoning in Enid, Oklahoma. Many people from the North and South wanted the fake Booth to be silent one way or another
[CTRL] On the Palestinian People's Right to use Violence to End the Occupation
http://reportersnotebook.com/newforum/indexforum.html On the Palestinian People's Right to use Violence to End the Occupation April 18 2002 at 7:31 AM Henry H. Lindner, MD On the Palestinian People's Right to use Violence to End the Occupation Henry H. Lindner, MD The laws of human interaction are as unavoidable as the laws of physics. If one chooses to live by violating other persons' lives and property, then one deserves to suffer violence. If one lives by the sword, one is liable to die by the sword. It is the position of Israel and the United States that the Palestinian people have no right to use violence to end the Israeli occupation. They are asked to surrender their right to resist and sit down with their overlords, hoping for a good offer. In fact the Palestinians did just this in 1993 at Oslo and got nothing but broken promises and more Jewish-only settlements. What are the rights of the Palestinians in this case? Do they have the right to use violence against Israeli civilians in order to bring the occupation to an end? Consider that there is a basic moral principle that underlies all human society: the non-initiation of violence. No one should initiate or maintain violence against another person. No one should control another person by force or the threat of force, or take anything of value from him without his consent. The violation of this law creates a state of violence among persons, and makes the perpetrator an outlaw. To return society to a state of peace, both the victim and other persons have the right to use violence to stop the perpetrator's aggression and force him to make amends. Most people recognize this principle, but there are subtle forms of violence to which persons can be blind. Indeed, there appears to be no violence as long as the slave obeys his master, the concentration camp inmates obey their guards, and the people under occupation obey their overlords. Such situations may appear "normal", the victims may even accept their state if they are raised from birth in the situation. The only way that these covertly violent relationships are exposed is when the victim refuses to obey. The perpetrator then must use violence to produce obedience; the victim fights back; etc. The covertly violent relationship becomes overtly violent. A vicious cycle of increasing violence occurs until one or the other party is completely victorious. This is the situation in the occupied territories of Palestine--territories Israel has chosen not to incorporate but to control and colonize. For society to function in peace and cooperation, all humans must condemn every form of violence, including relationships involving covert violence. The only moral solution, the only solution that maintains the principle of non-violence is to end the perverse relationship--be it slavery, imprisonment, or occupation. This is usually not within the victim's power; the relationship can be ended only by the perpetrator or by a person or group that is stronger than the perpetrator. It is therefore immoral, inhumane, and socially pathological for free persons to merely ask the victim to stop his violent opposition to the perverse relationship and negotiate better terms with the perpetrator. This is what is occurring as the U.S. demands that Palestinians stop attacking Israelis and negotiate with them. So why don't America and the rest of the "free" world insist, in accordance with UN Security Council Resolution 242, that Israel immediately withdraw to its 1967 borders? Why have Americans allowed this illegal, immoral, humiliating occupation to persist for 35 years? One is forced to conclude that Americans, who otherwise abhor racism and discrimination, have been blinded by their own religious desire to control the Holy Land and by the Zionist propaganda of their media. They believe a lie--that the occupation of the West Bank is benign and/or justifiable. They believe therefore that all Palestinian violence against the occupation and the occupiers is unwarranted and unjustified. They consider Israel to be the victim when it is in fact the aggressor. This is an error, and a costly one; not only costly to the Palestinians but to the entire world's morality. This cat is, however, out of the bag. The victim has decided to fight to the end. Thirty-five years of being treated like second-class humans and having all hopes dashed has created a state of complete desperation among the occupied Palestinians. They are willing to risk, indeed to sacrifice their lives to obtain justice and freedom. No ceasefire will hold unless the Palestinian people are convinced that an Israeli withdrawal is imminent. Israel can prevent attacks only by posting a 24hr. guard on every Palestinian. Indeed, the rest of the world will have to post a 24hr guard on every Arab or Muslim in the world who understands the criminality of the occupation. There is no going back for Israel, America,
[CTRL] GULAG READY FOR NEW GOVERNOR
-Caveat Lector- well here we are - Tony, governor of gulag britannia is signalling his notice to quit - in the most devious of ways. Having been already told that the health service in the uk is so far down the tubes that putting more money in wouldn't work - Tony wants to invest 40 billion. Suddenly caribbean bands and happy nurses are all over the television, calypso timeo for the gulag exit centres then - but no, everyone who knows something about UK health is telling tony that money is only part of the deal. It doesn't work because doctors are actually taking private patients and dealing with them first, and management are overloading the doctors that are pro-human. so where is the deal then - 40 billion sounds a lot but it doesn't match france or germany and its only te cost of a couple of jet fighters - and those seem to smash into hillsides in northern england every other day these days. Tony has had 5 years and has bluffed his way through - and finally compares his reforms to margaret thatchers boldness in her struggle with the unions. phoney tony though hasn't and probably cannot cut the mustard in direct comparisons and frankly it looks like he is going to lose and he knows it. His get out clause - the price of a couple of jet fighters which are lost in a massive military budget upscaling. But Tonys masters have made it clear - the winds of eurodisney are changing and though the uK never went back to fascist populist basics last election an election tony barely scraped through on - signs are from eurodisney that selfish back to fascistii are on the up and up. eg. Le Penns emergence as the credible opposition in france - on issues such as law and order and immigration. It may be that tony has been briefed that he will lose this one - as the sacrificial lamb of 'moderation' in the same way that tonys opposition las election conveniently committed electoral suicide by sounding racist, tony the innocent peace prize loving lamb of moderation and spin may well realise that his final curtain will be the masses coming to terms with his deceit and failure of the public interest - the death of the welfare state. Tony says if he fails he will walk - but I say if tony fails, the masses will be marching in black boots to the sound of ian duncan smith and the bilderburger kings. For tony - all in a days work - frontman and messenger boy, and to some poetic extent - harbinger of UK armageddon. I can see the script; Sting, Wesley Snipes and baron artreides of dune - sir tory blair knight commander of the british empire, nobel laureate and butcher of the nice old ways that just had to go maybe david beckam stars in this new movie - bend it like tony - the story of an eastern european immigrant on the rack in a detention centre. andrew hennessey A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Kathleen Parker - Co-Conspirator
http://disc.server.com/Indices/149495.html Kathleen Parker - Co-Conspirator Bob Scheidt Sun Apr 21 12:01:21 2002 208.251.11.130 Cynthia McKinney is not one of my favorite people on the planet earth, but she does express the concerns of many (stupid) Americans, that according to Ms. Parker, should be removed from the gene pool. There is no question that many intelligence agencies were aware that "something" of a huge magnitude was going to occur on 9-11. If they knew, Bush knew. George W's daddy laid the cornerstone for the CIA building at Langley, and is privy to everything going on around the world. Not one interceptor aircraft attempted to stop the attack upon the WTC on 9-11 or on the Pentagon when they had been in the air, hijacked for up to an hour and 38 minutes. Put options had been purchased through A.B. Brown a company previously owned by Buzzy Krongard, the third highest ranking CIA officer. A.B. Brown is most likely still a CIA front Company, and someone with inside info was out to make a huge profit at the expense of thousands of American lives. Ms. Parker is attempting to call all of us crazy if we agree with cKinney on this one issue. Ms. Parker is attempting to run her mouth without stating a factual basis for her disdain for Cynthia McKinney's current claims. One last thing, The Bush family, starting with Pappa (oops I mean Poppy) Bush inviting 3500 to 4000 Red Guard Troops to come live in our country. These soldiers fought under Saddam Hussein in the Persian Gulf. Did old man Bush ask me or you if we wanted these towel heads living here ? I don't think so. The Bush family control an organization known as the Carlysle Group. Carlysle is the 11th largest supplier of miltary hardware in the world, and they are indeed getting fat, whether they have belatedly been put in blind trust or not. Mr. Cheney was the Chairman of the Board for Haliburton, paid 34 million his last year working for them, publicly, and now he is covertly ordering the bombing of innocent afghani's in order to further the profit goals of Haliburton. Further, Haliburton has a wholly owned subsidiary named Brown and Root. Brown and Root builds and supplies 95% of all military bases overseas. Little "w" Bush, the tyrant and murdering offspring, sitting like dung in the Oval Office, has now declared war on the muslim world outside the country and the Christian Conservatives living in the country. Another in a long string of Skull and Bonesmen, claiming to be a Christian, is nothing less than a Israeli lackey and toady carrying Ariel Sharons genocidal water bucket to the trough of satan. Good Christians are informed Christians, all others are idiots destined to align themselves in a senseless, baseless and needless patriotic display of their total ignorance by supporting the butchers of Bush-Land. Waving their Chinese made American flags from all four corners of their auto's and standing united in their total ignorance makes me want to vomit. Murderers !!! So for a sleaze journalist like Kathleen Parker to insinuate that we are all crazy by implying that Cynthia McKinney is crazy, should cause us to suspect her intentions, and her paymaster. Is she just another CIA controlled spook ? Or is she just one of millions of blind, deaf and "DUMB", Bush supporters.
[CTRL] Joseph Watson's rebuttal of James Robbins' 911 mockery
-Caveat Lector- http://www.propagandamatrix.com/atrocities_1.html Atrocities of the Mainstream Media Detective Watson on the Case of Syndicated Columnist Crime Part 1 - James S. Robbins of the National Review Welcome to the first instalment of what no doubt promises to be a lengthy series. Initially, we focus on the inane rant of NRO contributor and 'national security analyst' James S. Robbins. Here I dissect his pathetic piece of 'journalism' concerning the recently released French book 'The Appalling Fraud' by Thierry Meyssan. This book questions whether a Boeing 757 really did hit the Pentagon on September 11th, and also explores other evidence concerning government prior knowledge and involvement in the terrorist attacks. Before we begin, let me state that I do not believe anything other than a Boeing 757 hit the Pentagon on September 11th. However, I also believe that people who ask questions and present evidence suggesting otherwise should be debated in a mature manner, in an open forum. Their claims should be thoroughly investigated and their character treated with dignity. Surprise, surprise, our lapdog global mainstream media has treated anyone who presents such evidence like they are promoting pedophilia. Oh but, I forgot, it's judges, major universities and, you guessed it, the mainstream media that are actually promoting pedophilia. The '9/11 denial' article in full can be found at http://www.nationalreview.com/robbins/robbins040902.asp Robbins' comments appear in black, my retort in red. Hyperlinks are blue, please reference them as they appear. -- A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] This would be alright ...
-Caveat Lector- - Original Message - From: Shelby Kincaid [EMAIL PROTECTED] snip! ... if it weren't so obviously Saba/Colleen. As it is, she's just trying to get around her posting limitations set on her by the list mod, and, as such, she should be dropped for good. - jt A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Middle East Muddle
-Caveat Lector- On Sun, 21 Apr 2002, saba wrote: RuMills has good thing though re Bush for they are in for the kill now. He doesn't want to go along with them. You got it. He is the best President since Kennedy and so he is the most hated by the Trotskyite Puppet Masters. The Christian Conservatives would like him killed because he has not totally sold his soul to the Antichrist Regime over Israel. He is the first President to say he will recognize the Palestine State if. Wonder - who was the pilot that dropped the bomb on those Canadians and they were handsome lot of men.No experienced pilot would do such a thing, and hopefully no true blue American Pilot for this guy would not follow orders - was it deliberate? My hunch is that the Canadians were murdered. Why? Because Canada as a whole is neutral on the Israel-Palestine thing...according to the polls. But at what level the order to murder them was given I do not know. POC A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] open letter to david icke from andrew hennessey
-Caveat Lector- OPEN LETTER TO DAVID ICKE THE NEW DESOLATION From Andrew Hennesseya.hennessey @ Btopenworld.com Folks find it hard to grasp. Practitioners of skepticism and reason, would-be allies and people of power may be persuaded. Influential thinkers may come on board. Politicians may represent - but alas the idea, the very idea appears to be a nonsense. No-one with any attributes of reason can possibly buy into a Global Conspiracy. The why is easy - far too easy - for how can there possibly be one controlling Cabal when the myriad of secret and secretive societies acting in total self-interest appear to be in total competition and often degrees of isolation from one another. Pro-human activist David Icke publishes literally hundreds of different conspiratorial organisations and factions. Any fair minded human must be asking - well if they are all conspiring - how can they possibly represent one global idea, one global direction, one global interest. How can they all recognise one another - there just cannot be memories big enough to embrace all the secret coding and communication systems between thousands of co-operating secret societies from global cultures. There would have to be a simple answer. If all the players in those thousands of societies shared two simple attributes we can identify them amongst the smoke and mirrors of their social circuses. And I think they do. 1. The ancient [reptilian/aryan] bloodlines are fully telepathic [unlike their despised human clones and mimics] certainly this considerably eases their own burden of identification and communication. 2. They are anti-human, and anti-life, desolate. The guy I have looked to to break the barriers down and get to the core of the conspiracy is David Icke. David named and shamed the aliens within, he tore into their overt social structures, but then he seemed to hit the skids with frequencies and channelling. Despite telepathy being skirted around as an effect of the global conspiracy, he never identified it as THE central attribute of this global genocide. Ariosophy speaks of the Edenic Aryan telepathic gland that degenerated in Humanity - why doesn't David ? My next bit of news was that I heard David isn't much into soul and that he doesn't really go down that route. I would have to hear him say one way or the other - but certainly I can identify a lack of spiritual perspective in David's belief system. It's re-incarnation and Telepathy that are central to every major thing we ever tore away from the secrecy of the church vaults or the abductee chambers. It is surely obvious that it is the reptoid powers of telepathy that are scything away amongst the confusion of the 'sheeple'. It is the one simple unifying theory of conspiracy that makes possible a Global force for genocide of the human species. I enjoyed the Biggest Secret and heard a lot more of the same in Children of the Matrix, but neither book got to the dark heart of the issue. Sure, us 'sheeple' are at a dense disadvantage, but we are noble souls inhabiting a cumbersome overcoat. The dark attributes of the reptoid mindset are Nihilism, Lunacy and Pornography - they practise desolation to ruin our spirits and degrade our souls and we see evidence of that in all the ritual exposes that David bravely does. The Fallen though are clearly plotting and we need to see the truth and hear it from our leading lights. So please, David - believe in your soul and give the sheeple back their own telepathic voice, their birthright, by acknowledging that the Telepathic Conspiracy is actually The Biggest of All Secrets on this Planet. The reptoids would run if the 'chattering monkeys' stopped chattering and all complained with the one powerful voice. The monkeys don't yet know that they have a telepathic voice and influence thanks to millennia of reptoid misinformation about the acquisition of 'magical powers'. Telepathy, however, is a simple bit of resonant order emerging as waves from the chaotic furnace that is our 'soul'. Order truly would emerge out of chaos if we all realised that. Andrew Hennessey A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A
Re: [CTRL] This would be alright ...
-Caveat Lector- ... if it weren't so obviously Saba/Colleen. As it is, she's just trying to get around her posting limitations set on her by the list mod, and, as such, she should be dropped for good. - jt its a conspiracy of backbiting and childish pointscoring and you haven't stayed clear of it either - now you're playing the role of bully - how would you like it ??? andrew A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Why not be Anti, Semites?
-Caveat Lector- Hello, Sorry for chiming in here, but a couple of points. One, this is a very nice sentiment that Jesus was a groovy, hip, make love not war kind of guy that became misrepresented. I like that. However, point 2 is that he is and has always been a myth. well, sorry to cut your post off like this, but i dunno about that. i'm no theist, and i certainly wouldn't call myself a christian, but can it not be proven that jesus was a real person that existed [through roman tax records]? i'm not referring to the census given as an excuse for him being born in bethlehem instead of nazareth; i'm quite certain that this information is out there from some tax record when he was a young adult. the fact that i can't seem to locate a source is not helping me. anybody know what the hell i'm talking about? of course, it could always be argued that they were forged. i look at jesus more as awella daniel boone type character, where stories are created around the person due to awe and admiration. who knows, if we ever go through a nuclear war then maybe when the people emerge they'll stumble upon data [electronic or, maybe, from a half destroyed library] describing george washington as a super human that can throw a rock across potomac bay, and, thus, assume him to be myth. but, we all know him to have existed. i *am* definately suspicious, and i take very little of what is in either testament at face value..but i don't see how you can flat out declare his existence to be a myth. i mean, how many sources are there *really* that prove thati dunnoramses II existed? alexander the great? that the pelopponesian war happened? maybe one or two or three at most. yet we take this as historical fact, even though it's probably quite embellished. the scriptures may not be a good source of real historical happenings, but they're good enough to prove that the guy actually lived as far as i'm concerned inri np: http://chat.carleton.ca/~jparent2/ there ought to be limits to freedom - george w. bush if this were a dictatorship, it'd be a heck of a lot easier, just so long as i'm the dictator. - george w. bush i'm not going to let congress erode the power of the executive branch - george w. bush A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] open letter to david icke from andrew hennessey
Could it be that David Icke and Cynthia McKinney are related? Could it be that the two of them are actually brother and sister? Then again, could it be that they are both brothers OR sisters with one or the other of them in drag? Maybe the two of them are the only reptoids trying to take over the planet and everybody else is human. Minor differences in color and over-all gender/appearance shouldn't fool the ardent seeker of truth. Look deeper at the core conspiracy. After all, they're both dime store conspiracy buffs who write or tell of their experiences on hallucinogenic mushrooms, and they're both CRAZY AS SHIT HOUSE RATS! Signed, Edward (Chief shape shifting reptoid in charge of the southeastern sector of the one-world, global government.) Seriously though, what are you smoking Andrew, and where can I get some? I wanna see people turning into lizards too! Bwwwahahahahahaha! At 03:53 AM 4/22/2002 +0100, you wrote: -Caveat Lector- OPEN LETTER TO DAVID ICKE THE NEW DESOLATION From Andrew Hennessey a.hennessey @ Btopenworld.com Folks find it hard to grasp. Practitioners of skepticism and reason, would-be allies and people of power may be persuaded. Influential thinkers may come on board. Politicians may represent - but alas the idea, the very idea appears to be a nonsense. No-one with any attributes of reason can possibly buy into a Global Conspiracy. The why is easy - far too easy - for how can there possibly be one controlling Cabal when the myriad of secret and secretive societies acting in total self-interest appear to be in total competition and often degrees of isolation from one another. Pro-human activist David Icke publishes literally hundreds of different conspiratorial organisations and factions. Any fair minded human must be asking - well if they are all conspiring - how can they possibly represent one global idea, one global direction, one global interest. How can they all recognise one another - there just cannot be memories big enough to embrace all the secret coding and communication systems between thousands of co-operating secret societies from global cultures. There would have to be a simple answer. If all the players in those thousands of societies shared two simple attributes we can identify them amongst the smoke and mirrors of their social circuses. And I think they do. 1. The ancient [reptilian/aryan] bloodlines are fully telepathic [unlike their despised human clones and mimics] certainly this considerably eases their own burden of identification and communication. 2. They are anti-human, and anti-life, desolate. The guy I have looked to to break the barriers down and get to the core of the conspiracy is David Icke. David named and shamed the aliens within, he tore into their overt social structures, but then he seemed to hit the skids with frequencies and channelling. Despite telepathy being skirted around as an effect of the global conspiracy, he never identified it as THE central attribute of this global genocide. Ariosophy speaks of the Edenic Aryan telepathic gland that degenerated in Humanity - why doesn't David ? My next bit of news was that I heard David isn't much into soul and that he doesn't really go down that route. I would have to hear him say one way or the other - but certainly I can identify a lack of spiritual perspective in David's belief system. It's re-incarnation and Telepathy that are central to every major thing we ever tore away from the secrecy of the church vaults or the abductee chambers. It is surely obvious that it is the reptoid powers of telepathy that are scything away amongst the confusion of the 'sheeple'. It is the one simple unifying theory of conspiracy that makes possible a Global force for genocide of the human species. I enjoyed the Biggest Secret and heard a lot more of the same in Children of the Matrix, but neither book got to the dark heart of the issue. Sure, us 'sheeple' are at a dense disadvantage, but we are noble souls inhabiting a cumbersome overcoat. The dark attributes of the reptoid mindset are Nihilism, Lunacy and Pornography - they practise desolation to ruin our spirits and degrade our souls and we see evidence of that in all the ritual exposes that David bravely does. The Fallen though are clearly plotting and we need to see the truth and hear it from our leading lights. So please, David - believe in your soul and give the sheeple back their own telepathic voice, their birthright, by acknowledging that the Telepathic Conspiracy is actually The Biggest of All Secrets on this Planet. The reptoids would run if the 'chattering monkeys' stopped chattering and all complained with the one powerful voice. The monkeys don't yet know that they have a telepathic voice and influence thanks to millennia of reptoid misinformation about the acquisition of 'magical powers'. Telepathy, however, is a simple bit of resonant order emerging as waves from the chaotic furnace that is our 'soul'. Order truly would emerge out of chaos if we
Re: [CTRL] Why not be Anti, Semites?
-Caveat Lector- Hammurabi did a nice academic presentation of what some academics know about that part of history. Those who read here should know that there is a big academic religious movement bent on saying that nothing in Jewish or Christian history can be accepted with certainty. No Jesus, no apostles, no Abraham, no King David, no Exodus, no Moses, etc. There is no indication that Hammurabi is part of that movement, but he may be influenced by it. Why the trend? Well, if we are to move into one world religion, people must be convinced that humans all have some sort of good sweet center, kind of like a Fannie Mae chocolate, that has come out in every religious group to form the core of their beliefs. If we could just discard all of the outside shells, all of the sweet centers will come together to form a single candy that everyone can nibble from. That the core of Christianity should be belief in a person makes it difficult. I don't believe in Christianity, but I also don't think the movement would have come together without a focal point. We should look carefully at the promotion of Judaism without Torah historical figures and Christianity without Jesus. A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] McKinney Speech 4/20/02 Peace Rally in DC
-Caveat Lector- http://disc.server.com/discussion.cgi?id=149495article=24304 The Webfairy We Come For Peace McKinney, April 20 Mon Apr 22 02:33:07 2002 68.3.136.226 We Come For Peace By Rep. Cynthia McKinney [Remarks to April 20, peace rally in Washington, DC] We come here today from the four corners of this nation. We are blacks and whites, Latinos, Asians, and Native Americans; Christians, Muslims, and Jews; gay, lesbian, and straight; immigrants and native-born Americans; rich and poor. Here today are representatives of all sections of society: students, union members . . . union members on strike . . . homeless veterans . . . and everyday warriors on the battlefield for justice. But despite all our differences, we are here today . . . one community with one thing in common: a desire to see the restoration of the true ideals of America. America -- where fundamental rights to vote, speak, and practice religion mean something. A country that has a democratic form of government, a democratic way of life and a nation in which all can participate freely in political activity and share in the abundance of its harvest. But America today is still a far cry from the noble Republic founded upon those words: All men are created equal. We have not dealt well with our diversity and too many of our citizens suffer needlessly. Each day millions of Americans suffer poverty, hunger, the sting of discrimination . . . arbitrary arrest, racial profiling, and brutality from rogue police . . . inadequate health care, drug abuse, and unemployment. For the millions of poor Americans, ours is not a just society. More than 31 million Americans live in poverty. One in every six of our children live in poverty. Some of our nation's poor even sleep each night on the steps of the buildings just visible from the bedrooms of the White House. And sadly, many of those who sleep on America's streets are our veterans from US wars . . . Sadly, nor is ours a democratic society. In November 2000, the Republicans stole from America our most precious right of all: the right to free and fair elections. Florida Governor Jeb Bush and his Secretary of State Katherine Harris, created a phony list of convicted felons--57,700 to be exact-- to scrub thousands of innocent people from the state's voter rolls. Of the thousands who ultimately lost their vote through this scrub of voters, 80% were African-American, mostly Democratic Party voters. Had they voted, the course of history would have changed. Instead, however, Harris declared Bush the victor by only 537 votes. Now President Bush occupies the White House, but with questionable legitimacy. But however he got there, his Administration is now free to spend one to four billion dollars a month on the war in Afghanistan . . . free to cut the high deployment overtime pay of our young service men and women fighting in that war . . . free to propose drilling in the Arctic National Wildlife Reserve National Park . . . free to stonewall on the Enron and Energy Task Force investigations . . . free to revoke the rules that keep our drinking water free of arsenic . . . free to get caught in Venezuela . . . and free to propose laws that deny our citizens sacred freedoms cherished under the Constitution. We must dare to remember all of this. We must dare to debate and challenge all of this. And that is why we are here today. We come here today to chart a new course for our communities and for America. To fight against bigotry, we stand together as one and we must. To fight against injustice, we stand together as one and we must. To fight against poverty, we stand together as one and we must. To fight against the destruction of our environment, we stand together as one and we must. To wage peace instead of war, we stand together as one and we must. Because, through our efforts, I believe we can once again, make America a force for good in the world. We, as the world's most powerful nation have a responsibility to act in defense of the weak and to protect them from harm. We failed in Rwanda. We failed in Srebrenica. We failed in East Timor. And now, as we speak, we fail in Jenin. Let us dedicate ourselves here today, to join together as one. When one person stands up and speaks out for the suffering of the weak, a tiny ripple of hope is created. When numerous people stand and demand justice for the multitude who have been forgotten, a strong current of possibilities is created. When an entire community stands up and demands change a mighty wave of freedom and justice is created. We gather here today and we speak with one voice . . . And let us remember, that one person can make a ripple. One ripple can make a movement. One movement can make a voice. And one voice can make mighty change. Let us leave here today and make the change this country needs to be loved and respected around the world once again. And remember one thing: Register and Vote! Cynthia
Re: [CTRL] open letter to david icke from andrew hennessey
-Caveat Lector- Typical of your debunking, Edward. Maybe you have a reptilian implant? Steve On 21 Apr 2002 at 23:38, Edward Britton wrote: Could it be that David Icke and Cynthia McKinney are related? Could it be that the two of them are actually brother and sister? Then again, could it be that they are both brothers OR sisters with one or the other of them in drag? Maybe the two of them are the only reptoids trying to take over the planet and everybody else is human. Minor differences in color and over-all gender/appearance shouldn't fool the ardent seeker of truth. Look deeper at the core conspiracy. After all, they're both dime store conspiracy buffs who write or tell of their experiences on hallucinogenic mushrooms, and they're both CRAZY AS SHIT HOUSE RATS! Signed, Edward (Chief shape shifting reptoid in charge of the southeastern sector of the one-world, global government.) Seriously though, what are you smoking Andrew, and where can I get some? I wanna see people turning into lizards too! Bwwwahahahahahaha! At 03:53 AM 4/22/2002 +0100, you wrote: -Caveat Lector- OPEN LETTER TO DAVID ICKE THE NEW DESOLATION From Andrew Hennesseya.hennessey @ Btopenworld.com Folks find it hard to grasp. Practitioners of skepticism and reason, would-be allies and people of power may be persuaded. Influential thinkers may come on board. Politicians may represent - but alas the idea, the very idea appears to be a nonsense. No-one with any attributes of reason can possibly buy into a Global Conspiracy. The why is easy - far too easy - for how can there possibly be one controlling Cabal when the myriad of secret and secretive societies acting in total self-interest appear to be in total competition and often degrees of isolation from one another. Pro-human activist David Icke publishes literally hundreds of different conspiratorial organisations and factions. Any fair minded human must be asking - well if they are all conspiring - how can they possibly represent one global idea, one global direction, one global interest. How can they all recognise one another - there just cannot be memories big enough to embrace all the secret coding and communication systems between thousands of co-operating secret societies from global cultures. There would have to be a simple answer. If all the players in those thousands of societies shared two simple attributes we can identify them amongst the smoke and mirrors of their social circuses. And I think they do. 1. The ancient [reptilian/aryan] bloodlines are fully telepathic [unlike their despised human clones and mimics] certainly this considerably eases their own burden of identification and communication. 2. They are anti-human, and anti-life, desolate. The guy I have looked to to break the barriers down and get to the core of the conspiracy is David Icke. David named and shamed the aliens within, he tore into their overt social structures, but then he seemed to hit the skids with frequencies and channelling. Despite telepathy being skirted around as an effect of the global conspiracy, he never identified it as THE central attribute of this global genocide. Ariosophy speaks of the Edenic Aryan telepathic gland that degenerated in Humanity - why doesn't David ? My next bit of news was that I heard David isn't much into soul and that he doesn't really go down that route. I would have to hear him say one way or the other - but certainly I can identify a lack of spiritual perspective in David's belief system. It's re-incarnation and Telepathy that are central to every major thing we ever tore away from the secrecy of the church vaults or the abductee chambers. It is surely obvious that it is the reptoid powers of telepathy that are scything away amongst the confusion of the 'sheeple'. It is the one simple unifying theory of conspiracy that makes possible a Global force for genocide of the human species. I enjoyed the Biggest Secret and heard a lot more of the same in Children of the Matrix, but neither book got to the dark heart of the issue. Sure, us 'sheeple' are at a dense disadvantage, but we are noble souls inhabiting a cumbersome overcoat. The dark attributes of the reptoid mindset are Nihilism, Lunacy and Pornography - they practise desolation to ruin our spirits and degrade our souls and we see evidence of that in all the ritual exposes that David bravely does. The Fallen though are clearly plotting and we need to see the truth and hear it from our leading lights. So please, David - believe in your soul and give the sheeple back their own telepathic voice, their birthright, by acknowledging that the Telepathic Conspiracy is actually The Biggest of All Secrets on this Planet. The reptoids would run if the 'chattering monkeys' stopped chattering and all complained with the one powerful voice. The monkeys don't yet know that they have a telepathic voice and
