[CTRL] The great charade
-Caveat Lector- The great charade As the West prepares for an assault on Iraq, John Pilger argues that 'war on terror' is a smokescreen created by the ultimate terrorist ... America itself War on Iraq? Discuss it here Sunday July 14, 2002 The Observer It is 10 months since 11 September, and still the great charade plays on. Having appropriated our shocked response to that momentous day, the rulers of the world have since ground our language into a paean of cliches and lies about the 'war on terrorism' - when the most enduring menace, and source of terror, is them. The fanatics who attacked America came from Saudi Arabia and Egypt. No bombs fell on these American protectorates. Instead, more than 5,000 civilians have been bombed to death in stricken Afghanistan, the latest a wedding party of 40 people, mostly women and children. Not a single al-Qaeda leader of importance has been caught. Following this 'stunning victory', hundreds of prisoners were shipped to an American concentration camp in Cuba, where they have been held against all the conventions of war and international law. No evidence of their alleged crimes has been produced, and the FBI confirms only one is a genuine suspect. In the United States, more than 1,000 people of Muslim background have 'disappeared'; none has been charged. Under the draconian Patriot Act, the FBI's new powers include the authority to go into libraries and ask who is reading what. Meanwhile, the Blair government has made fools of the British Army by insisting they pursue warring tribesmen: exactly what squaddies in putties and pith helmets did over a century ago when Lord Curzon, Viceroy of India, described Afghanistan as one of the 'pieces on a chessboard upon which is being played out a great game for the domination of the world'. There is no war on terrorism; it is the great game speeded up. The difference is the rampant nature of the superpower, ensuring infinite dangers for us all. Having swept the Palestinians into the arms of the supreme terrorist Ariel Sharon, the Christian Right fundamentalists running the plutocracy in Washington, now replenish their arsenal in preparation for an attack on the 22 million suffering people of Iraq. Should anyone need reminding, Iraq is a nation held hostage to an American-led embargo every bit as barbaric as the dictatorship over which Iraqis have no control. Contrary to propaganda orchestrated from Washington and London, the coming attack has nothing to do with Saddam Hussein's 'weapons of mass destruction', if these exist at all. The reason is that America wants a more compliant thug to run the world's second greatest source of oil. The drum-beaters rarely mention this truth, and the people of Iraq. Everyone is Saddam Hussein, the demon of demons. Four years ago, the Pentagon warned President Clinton that an all-out attack on Iraq might kill 'at least' 10,000 civilians: that, too, is unmentionable. In a sustained propaganda campaign to justify this outrage, journalists on both sides of the Atlantic have been used as channels, 'conduits', for a stream of rumours and lies. These have ranged from false claims about an Iraqi connection with the anthrax attacks in America to a discredited link between the leader of the 11 September hijacks and Iraqi intelligence. When the attack comes, these consorting journalists will share responsibility for the crime. It was Tony Blair who served notice that imperialism's return journey to respectability was under way. Hark, the Christian gentleman-bomber's vision of a better world for 'the starving, the wretched, the dispossessed, the ignorant, those living in want and squalor from the deserts of northern Africa to the slums of Gaza to the mountain ranges of Afghanistan.' Hark, his 'abiding' concern for the 'human rights of the suffering women of Afghanistan' as he colluded with Bush who, as the New York Times reported, 'demanded the elimination of truck convoys that provide much of the food and other supplies to Afghanistan's civilian population'. Hark his compassion for the 'dispossessed' in the 'slums of Gaza', where Israeli gunships, manufactured with vital British parts, fire their missiles into crowded civilian areas. As Frank Furedi reminds us in The New Ideology of Imperialism , it is not long ago 'that the moral claims of imperialism were seldom questioned in the West. Imperialism and the global expansion of the western powers were represented in unambiguously positive terms as a major contributor to human civilisation.' The quest went wrong when it was clear that fascism was imperialism, too, and the word vanished from academic discourse. In the best Stalinist tradition, imperialism no longer existed. Today, the preferred euphemism is 'civilisation'; or if an adjective is required, 'cultural'. >From Italy's Prime Minister Silvio Berlusconi, an ally of crypto-fascists, to impeccably liberal commentators, the new imperialists share a concept whose true meaning relies on a xenophobic
[CTRL] War clouds gather as hawks lay their plans
-Caveat Lector- World leaders appear to be in deadly earnest over warnings that Saddam must be deposed by force. But some in the US are asking why a blueprint for the conflict was leaked at the moment when sleaze scandals hit a new peak. Report by Jason Burke in London and Ed Vulliamy in New York Jason Burke in London and Ed Vulliamy in New York Sunday July 14, 2002 The Observer In London a Jordanian prince attends a meeting of Iraqi army defectors who are discussing what to do with their country once Saddam is dead and gone. In northern Iraq American intelligence operatives gather information on minefields and Iraqi troop dispositions. In Baghdad Saddam Hussein's eldest son Uday warns of a meltdown in the Middle East when war comes. And officials reveal that Paul Wolfowitz, the Pentagon's second most senior figure, will visit Turkey next week to talk tactics and that Tony Blair has been invited to travel to Camp David later this year to meet President George Bush and discuss plans for war. The signs appear unambiguous. This weekend the message is clear. Get ready for war. Or is it? Last week's frenzied speculation about imminent conflict has raised as many questions as it has provided answers. Why were officials at the Pentagon, the State Department or London's Ministry of Defence leaking so liberally? Was it a smoke screen for some secret hitherto undisclosed strategy? Was the war fever engineered to destabilise Saddam Hussein? Or were Donald Rumsfeld, Dick Cheney and Co merely distracting attention from domestic difficulties? The first leaks came 10 days ago when a five-inch thick dossier detailing plans for an invasion of Iraq involving 250,000 men was handed to the New York Times. The story went swiftly around the world. Last Sunday The Observer published the results of our own investigation: into the growing indications that the Americans hoped to use Jordan as a jumping-off point for at least some units in the assault. For the rest of the week a series of stories indicating that a war with Iraq in the new year was certain shared the headlines with the appalling news from the world's stock markets. To some it was proof of cynical manipulation. In recent weeks there has been a plunge in public confidence in the ability of the President and his party to manage the economy and the administration's own personal honesty. 'It's certainly strange that the more the finance scandals approach the White House, the harder and sharper the plans for an attack on Iraq,' said one staffer in the office of Democrat congressman Henry Waxman of California last week. Critics of Bush point out that the battle plan was leaked just as the sleaze scandals reached a climax and began to implicate the President himself. But The Observer has been told that the leak did not come from the White House. Instead it came from within the Pentagon, from the office of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, the top professional soldiers and planners who drew it up in the first place. That opens up another possible angle entirely. It may well be that the leak was from soldiers opposed to a war the President and their civilian political masters, led by Defence Secretary Donald Rumsfeld, want them to fight. This is an exact echo of the Pentagon view under President George Bush Snr 11 years ago, when Colin Powell - then chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff - opposed the Gulf war, but was bullied into fighting it by Bush and his then Defence Secretary, Dick Cheney. Powell and Cheney have despised each other ever since. Powell is known to be opposed to another war against Iraq. According to senior officials serving under Powell at the State Department, as well as others in the Pentagon, the leaks are part of a sophisticated campaign to raise the stakes before a war could be declared with their approval. Thus another mid-week leak suggesting there was no casus belli that would allow America to commence hostilities. Saddam would have - for instance, say officials - to invade a neighbour, re-commence the genocide against Shia Muslims or Kurdish minorities or field a nuclear weapon. 'There has to be a defining moment,' said one State Department official, '...which is a recognised international offence in order to justify an attack under the [United Nations] charter.' To those who oppose the war the leaks serve a useful secondary purpose. As the reports of American intentions were read in Baghdad there were signs that, despite Uday and his father's rhetoric, unease was growing among the Iraqi elite. The Iraqi Foreign Ministry was swift to point out that it had not been to blame for the collapse nine days ago of the talks with the UN over the readmission of inspectors searching for the nuclear, biological and chemical weaponry Saddam is suspected of holding - or trying to build. The Iraqis said they were willing to talk again and offered to provide the Americans with information about airmen shot down during the Gulf war. Washington dismissed the offer as
[CTRL] That's pretty rich, Bush
-Caveat Lector- That's pretty rich, Bush The President started the week trying to save corporate America. He ended it trying to save himself Oliver Morgan Sunday July 14, 2002 The Observer 'My friends are crooks. The companies they run look corrupt. The regulators I appoint are too soft. My colleagues in government face lawsuits for fraud. But I'm going to solve corporate crime with some ass-kicking laws. Hey, and trust me, I'm the President.' After a week in which markets globally were badly wounded by the Dow - which fell 700 points, dragging the FTSE down by nearly 400 - it is clear that not only Americans but people around the world are in no mood to take George W Bush and his promised crusade against corporate corruption on trust. In fact, the attempt to appear tough on WorldCom, Enron, Andersen and the rest ahead of mid-term elections in November turned out disastrously. Day 1: Bush held a rare press conference to gain the initiative ahead of his key Wall Street speech. Instead, he was rocked onto the defensive over allegations concerning his own financial dealings in the oil company Harken Energy. Day 2: In Tuesday's speech, Bush said 'too many corporations seem disconnected from the values of our country'. He listed measures, including a task force that would be a 'financial crimes Swat team', anti-shredding laws, a $100m boost for the Securities and Exchange Commission, the forfeiture of pay gained by deception, greater accountability for CEOs, and an increase in prison terms for fraud to ensure 'those who breach the trust of the American people are punished'. It read like a plea for credibility. It was snubbed. Democrats, led by the presidential hopeful Tom Daschle, ridiculed both the rhetoric and substance, highlighting Bush's refusal to endorse a tough package of laws being proposed by a Democrat, Senator Paul Sarbanes. Bush was the 'unconnected' one. As the Dow slid, a Democrat aide said: 'The markets clearly don't think he has gone far enough, and neither do we.' Then it got worse. Day 3: Vice-President Dick Cheney was named in a civil action against construction group Halliburton and its accountants Andersen. The details of the contested action, in which Halliburton directors are accused of colluding to inflate the company's earnings, read disturbingly like the Enron case and follow the opening of a separate SEC investigation in March. Day 4: It emerges that Bush received a low-interest loan from Harken - something that WorldCom chief executive Bernie Ebbers (currently under investigation) did, and which Bush said should be banned. Throughout all of this some critics made a direct link to Bush and his well- known connections with rich business men, particularly fellow Texans. Chuck Lewis of the Centre for Public Integrity, which investigates links between politics and business, says: 'The reason that he does not have credibility in trying to deal with big business is that in the public mind he is seen as in their pockets.' New York Representative John LaFalce, senior Democrat on the House of Representatives financial services committee, says: 'He denied debate for the past year and a half - especially since Enron - as the problems were beginning to surface, and did so very little. Then because of WorldCom and because of growing sentiment against corporate America and Wall Street, he felt compelled to do something. But neither his words nor his demeanour on Tuesday had any credibility.' Republicans retort that Bush's speech was tough. Several of Bush's proposals - forfeiting pay, preventing executives trading shares during closed periods, preventing analysts misleading markets - sound similar to the Sarbanes programme. But this, says LaFalce, is misleading. For example, the $100m SEC budget increase is dwarfed by more than $700m proposed by Democrats. The shredding proposals are a 'smokescreen' to keep attention on Andersen, not Bush's Texas friends at Enron. Instead of a catchy 'Swat team', Sarbanes proposes a prosaic but independent Public Company Accounting Oversight Board. This will have the power to inspect big accounting firms every year and investigate complaints about firms. Companies should not be able to offer consulting to firms they audit. He demands compulsory rotation of firms. The controversy is set to rumble on, to the delight of Democrats. Sarbanes's Bill is expected to clear the Senate next week, but it must then be combined with weaker measures proposed in the 'Oxley' Bill from the Republican-held House. LaFalce indicates Bush's support for Oxley will be used to beat him. 'He praised the House-passed Bill, which gave away everything. That revealed his true colours.' As a member of Sarbanes's staff said: 'My boss is not going to compromise on this. And he has support - many in the House have come to us after WorldCom, saying they now think we need tougher laws.' Whatever happens, Bush will be portrayed as wobbly on this issue - one where Democrats feel they can dent his
Re: [CTRL] PC run amok AGAIN
-Caveat Lector- so why the hell was he hanging around with whores if he told us not to associate with "sinners"? are you calling Jesus a hypocrite? she "washed his feet"... if you know whati mean *snigger* what is a sin to you may be not a sin to someone else. as long as people don't fuck with your life or your way of thinking- then they are not sinning and you should leave them alone to get on with it. it is a tolerant philosophy that neither condemns - or takes any shit from poeple trying to force something onto you. - Original Message - From: Jim Rarey To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, July 14, 2002 2:39 AM Subject: Re: [CTRL] PC run amok AGAIN -Caveat Lector- Jesus taught tolerance, not just by word, but by deed. Yes, but tolerance of differences, e.g. the Good Samaritan, but not tolerance of sin. He was dead set against it and told us not to associate with those who deliberately sin. www.ctrl.org DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion & informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED] http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ ctrl To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Foundation of Bush's Fortune Questioned
-Caveat Lector- Foundation of Bush's Fortune Questioned 1991 SEC Memo Surfaces, Bush Not Cooperative It's a MAD, MAD World A new GOP/White House strategy went into effect today and it takes its tactics from the old Cold War - MAD (Mutually Assured Destruction). It worked to keep Soviet nukes holstered and it was Democrats who they hope to similarly intimidate. "GOP leaders warned us that if we dare use this stuff against them they would slam us with Global Crossing," a Democratic Congressional aide told us weeks ago. Those missiles have been launched. Indignant cries of "You should talk!" filled the Capitol today as well as our in-box. "What about Global Crossing? Huh, huh??" and "And Terry McAuliffe... Huh, what about that stuff?" Okay, You guys want to talk about Terry McAuliffe and Global Crossing? Fine. Let's talk. There's interesting stuff there to be sure. But, then let's talk about the Texas Rangers. The two deals have a lot in common. McAuliffe, now head of the Democratic National Committee, invested $100,000 in Global Crossing when the company was just forming. In 2000 he sold his Global stock for around $18 million. Yikes. A killing to be sure. McAuliffe did not hold a position on Global's board, or in the executive suite, and he sold his stock two years before any hint of trouble. His sale was public. Anyway, the implication now is that anyone who makes a great return on their investment must have known something the rest of us didn't know at the time. Well, maybe he did. Maybe he didn't. Investigations are underway, so we should find out at some point. Now, to the Texas Rangers. I was doing research about the "money" Bush used to buy the Texas Rangers. But I had to stop, because "money" would be entirely the wrong term. Actually, if you trace the source of the funds Bush used to purchase the team, you discover he did not have a cent of his own money involved. Here we go let's follow the money and see how Bush parlayed zero into a fortune. In 1986 - Bush "sells" his bankrupt Spectrum 7 oil company to Harken. Harken does not give him cash but rather $600,000 worth of Harken stock. It is that stock, and few more shares he acquired with company loan money that he sells in 1989. He gets $848,000. That money goes to pay off some bills and the $600,000 bank loan he used to buy the ball team. When the team was later sold, Bush pocketed $14.9 million. Yowzer! Not bad. At least we can calculate McAuliffe's return on his $100,000 Global Crossing investment, but how do we calculate Bush's return? A $15 million return from zero? We all should be so lucky. So there you are. Two interesting cases, don't you agree? All we can hope is that the SEC and Department of Justice show as much curiosity about Harken (and Halliburton) as they have over Global Crossing. Oh, and they might want to get cracking on it, because now it's voters who are about to get MAD. Well, Did He or Didn't He? James Doty, SEC general counsel during the 1991 SEC investigation into Bush's Harken stock deals, denied today that Bush had been warned in writing by the SEC not to claim he had been exonerated. It proved to be a short-lived denial. In an interview this morning on NPR, Doty at first denied that the SEC's letter to Bush forbid him in writing to claim that by closing the investigation he had been exonerated. The NPR announcer was prepared with a copy of the letter. He read the 1991 SEC letter to Doty, including the line he denied was in it. Doty quickly explained that such statements are common language in all such letters. Unfortunately Doty's explanation may now cause Bush new problems. "That statement is put in the letters to warn people that the SEC can reopen the investigation at any time if new information surfaces," Doty tried to explain. "and to let them know that that they are forbidden from using the letter to claim they had been exonerated." If Doty's characterization is correct, it would appear that President Bush's contention that he was cleared of any wrongdoing violates SEC rules. Another contradiction between Bush's explanation of events surfaced today. Bush has maintained that he fully cooperated with the 1991 SEC investigation. That contention has now been contradicted by a memo from the very SEC officials who conducted - or tried to conduct - that investigation. Three months into the 1991 investigation, SEC rank and file investigators complained to their politically appointed bosses that Bush had provided little more than already public information to the SEC about his sale. The allegation was contained in a 1991 SEC memo released yesterday by the Center for Public Integrity. The 1991 investigation was closed without taking action. James A. Doty was the SEC's general counsel at the time. Doty had served as Bush's private attorney when he acquired the Texas Rangers. Doty now says that he took no part in the probe and that SEC investigators took no action because there was "no subst
[CTRL] The Mix Is the Message V: Drug War Explosion
-Caveat Lector- http://www.alternet.org/story.html?StoryID=13589 The Mix Is the Message V: Drug War Explosions Don Hazen, AlterNet July 12, 2002 Viewed on July 13, 2002 --- There is nothing more crazymaking in American society than the crashing crosscurrents of the drug war. On the one hand there is a population that has gone on record numerous times supporting decriminalization of pot and legal use of medical marijuana. On the other hand there is a rabid federal drug apparatus that clashes with local law enforcement and ignores public opinion expressed in statewide votes. Instead we are getting aggressive raids and punitive prosecutions. Between the clashing of these two world views, there is no middle ground. Meanwhile, the U.S. Supreme Court, led by Clarence Thomas has extended the power of school districts to test and search students for drugs, underscoring once again, as Herman Schwartz writes in the Nation: "that for the Supreme Court, the rights of young people are shredded when they walk through the schoolhouse gates." The latest crushing blow dealt by the Feds came on July 12 in Sacramento, Calif., where Bryan James Epis, a 35-year-old electrical engineer, was convicted for conspiracy and manufacturing of pot. Epis says he smokes pot for his own chronic pain and was cultivating it for other sick patients. He faces a mandatory minimum prison sentence of 10 years. Epis has been involved in a cannabis buyers club in Chico, which opened after voters in California approved a 1996 initiative that allowed the use of pot on the recommendation of a doctor. The jury found that Epis was planning to increase the number of pot plants he was growing to 1,000 in 199, and that his residence in Chico was within 1,000 feet of Chico High School, which could increase his penalty. According to Sacramento Bee reporter Denny Walsh, who has been covering the case closely, this is the first federal criminal case involving an organization like the Cannabis Club to reach a jury. "U.S. District Judge Frank C. Damrell Jr. granted prosecutor Samuel Wong's motion that Epis be jailed pending sentencing. Wong pointed out that the law under which Epis was found guilty mandates immediate incarceration, and the judge agreed." Organizers with the Drug Reform Coordination Network (DRC Net) suggest that the trial could be a harbinger of things to come as California medical marijuana advocates find themselves in an increasingly tense and heated conflict with the federal government. The Sacramento case was marked by accusations of obstruction of justice against Epis and Oakland Cannabis Co-op head Jeff Jones; Jones attempted to familiarize jurors with the concept of jury nullification, and Epis was accused by Judge Damrell of doing so. Damrell dismissed one batch of potential jurors before the trial could get underway because of pamphleteering around the courthouse, and had Jones briefly arrested. Epis returns to Damrell's court on Aug. 1 for a hearing on the obstruction of justice charge. The battle with the feds over pot will no doubt spread to other states that have passed medical pot laws or may soon. The newest wrinkle is that voters in Nevada, which until last year had the nation's strictest marijuana laws, will decide in November whether to let adults legally possess small amounts of pot. Under the proposal, marijuana would be sold in state-licensed shops. A distribution system also would be set up to provide low-cost pot for medical uses. Meanwhile, other persecuted medical pot advocates in the U.S. are seeking refugee status in Canada. Renee Boje, 32, is probably the most famous American fugitive in Canada. According to a report by Ross Crockford on AlterNet.org, Boje is currently under U.S. extradition to face charges for conspiracy to cultivate hundreds of cannabis plants at the Los Angeles home of Todd McCormick, a cancer patient and medical marijuana activist. If convicted, Boje faces the same mandatory minimum sentence of 10 years that Epis is likely to receive in Sacramento. The severity of the sentence, Crockford says, has made her the poster child for the increasing numbers of U.S. citizens heading north to take advantage of Canada's liberal pot laws. "There are hundreds of Americans here," Renee Boje says, "because they're being persecuted by their own government." There is a major difference between how medical marijuana laws are applied in Canada and the U.S. The Canadian federal government has granted permits to possess or grow marijuana to more than 800 Canadians who suffer from AIDS, cancer or multiple sclerosis. Yet although California voters passed Prop. 215, the Compassionate Use Act, in 1996, the U.S. Drug Enforcement Agency has used federal law to raid and prosecute medical marijuana clubs across the state. In May last year, the U.S. Supreme Court upheld the DEA's actions, ruling that "marijuana has no medical benefits," and this J
[CTRL] In Tough Times, a Company Finds Profits in Terror War
-Caveat Lector- *Editors Note | At the time Dick Cheney retired as CEO of Halliburton, to run along side George W. Bush for control of the White House, the company awarded him a Twenty Million dollar retirement package. They stated at the time that it was their legal prerogative to increase the size of that package at any time to any amount they desired. In essence Halliburton can give Dick Cheney as much money as they want whenever they want as long as it is earmarked; 'retirement package enhancement.' -- ma) In Tough Times, a Company Finds Profits in Terror War By Jeff Gerth And Don Van Natta Jr. New York Times Saturday, 13 July, 2002 WASHINGTON, July 12 -- The Halliburton Company, the Dallas oil services company bedeviled lately by an array of accounting and business issues, is benefiting very directly from the United States efforts to combat terrorism. >From building cells for detainees at Guantanamo Bay in Cuba to feeding American troops in Uzbekistan, the Pentagon is increasingly relying on a unit of Halliburton called KBR, sometimes referred to as Kellogg Brown & Root. Although the unit has been building projects all over the world for the federal government for decades, the attacks of Sept. 11 have led to significant additional business. KBR is the exclusive logistics supplier for both the Navy and the Army, providing services like cooking, construction, power generation and fuel transportation. The contract recently won from the Army is for 10 years and has no lid on costs, the only logistical arrangement by the Army without an estimated cost. The government business has been well timed for Halliburton, whose stock price has tumbled almost two-thirds in the last year because of concerns about its asbestos liabilities, sagging profits in its energy business and an investigation by the Securities and Exchange Commission into its accounting practices back when Vice President Dick Cheney ran the company. The government contracts, which the company said Mr. Cheney played no role in helping Halliburton win, either while he led the company or after he left, offer the prospect of a long and steady cash flow that impresses financial analysts. Since the Sept. 11 attacks, Congress has appropriated $30 billion in emergency money to support the campaign against terrorism. About half has gone to the Pentagon, much of it to buy weapons, supplies, and services. Although KBR is probably not the largest recipient of all the government contracts related to terror efforts, few companies have longer or deeper ties to the Pentagon. And no company is better positioned to capitalize on this trend. The value of the contracts to Halliburton is hard to quantify, but the company said government work generated less than 10 percent of its $13 billion in revenue last year. The government business is "very good, a relatively stable source of cash flow," said Alexandra S. Parker, senior vice president of Moody's Investors Service. "We view it positively." By hiring an outside company to handle much of its logistics, the Pentagon may wind up spending more taxpayer money than if it did the work itself. Under the new Army contract, KBR's work in Central Asia, at least for the next year, will cost 10 percent to 20 percent more than if military personnel were used, according to Army contract managers. In Uzbekistan, the Army failed to ascertain, as regulations require, whether its own units, which handled logistics there for the first six months, were available to work when it brought in the contractor, according to Army spokesmen. The costs for KBR's current work in Central Asia could "dramatically escalate" without proper monitoring, but adequate cost control measures are in place, according to Lt. Col. Clay Cole, who oversees the contract. The Army contract is a cost-plus arrangement and shrouded in secrecy. The contractor is reimbursed for its allowable costs and gets a bonus based on performance. In the past, KBR has usually received the maximum performance bonus, according to Pentagon officials. Though modest now, the Army contract could produce hundreds of millions of dollars for the company. In the Balkans, for instance, its contract with the Army started at less than $4 million and turned into a multibillion-dollar agreement. Mr. Cheney played no role, either as vice president or as chief executive at Halliburton, in helping KBR win government contracts, company officials said. In a written statement, the company said that Mr. Cheney "steadfastly refused" to market KBR's services to the United States government in the five years he served as chief executive. Mr. Cheney concentrated on the company's energy business, company officials said, though he was regularly briefed on the company's Pentagon contracts. Mr. Cheney sold Halliburton stock, worth more than $20 million, before he became vice president. After he took office, he donated his remaining stock options to charity. Like other military contractors,
Re: [CTRL] LAX Shooting - Julia Gorin-Mohamed: Random terrorism
-Caveat Lector- on 7/14/02 12:22 AM, Tenorlove at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > -Caveat Lector- > >> Jewish World Review >> >> July 10, 2002 / 1 Menachem-Av, 5762 >> >> Julia Gorin-Mohamed >> >> Random terrorism >> >> http://www.jewishworldreview.com | >> >> Hesham Mohamed Hadayet was one of the victims in last week's >> tragic shootout at Los Angeles Airport. And now, as his >> widow attests, he is being singled out from among the rest, >> blamed because he is Arab and Muslim. Or because he is the shooter. >> >> Blamed not just for the random, spontaneous, isolated >> shooting spree that it invariably was, but potentially for >> terrorism and/or hate crimes. As one appropriately >> indignant WABC reporter emphasized on Thursday, "Just >> because the shooter was Egyptian and it happened at the El >> Al counter," >> investigators are looking into the possibility of terrorism. The possibility shouldn't be investigated, given the climate of the time? >> >> Indeed, would it be so inconceivable that after surveying >> the bevy of competing airlines at LAX-after racking his >> brain over which to pick from among the likes of Aeroflot, >> Qantas, Lufthansa and Ukrainian National-Hadayet got tired >> in front of the El Al counter and settled on it by default? >> Hypothetically speaking, of course, since he didn't do it. It is possible. Hypothetically. >> >> It's a lucky thing Hadayet sent his family to Egypt shortly >> before the attack. His wife, Hala Mohammed Sadeq El-Awadly, >> is saying they might not be coming back. And who can blame >> them, given the volatile racial climate here? Or the fear that they would suffer reprisals after their husband / father committed the 1st post sep 11 attack in the US? >> >> Hadayet is reported to have been armed with two guns and a >> hunting knife-allegedly incriminating evidence of his having >> been the shooter. But is it so inconceivable that Hesham >> Hadayet was as scared as the rest of us of terror in the >> skies, and wanted to be prepared for the worst? >> Furthermore, these items were most likely planted on him by >> the Israeli El Al security. >> Amazing. Anyone who would bring 2 guns and a knife into an airport like LAX now, in the name of security is a complete idiot. Why were these items most likely planted by el al? Why not just turn in the actual shooter? >> The exaggerated furor over this incident is all too >> reminiscent of the tone surrounding the September 11th >> attacks on New York and Washington when, in a similar way, >> the country fixated on 19 Muslim hijackers. Officials and >> media even managed to connect to all this a plane that >> crashed in a remote part of Pennsylvania the same day. >> After all, there were Muslims on board there too. With >> everyone dwelling on the point that they did it, the point >> gets lost that it could have been anyone. >> As a new Yorker, American, and human being - fuck off. When idiots murder several thousand people, and cause untold damage, furor is the correct response - whoever the mass murderer is. >> Just because terrorist organizations happen to attract many >> Muslims, it doesn't mean we shouldn't steer clear of drawing >> biased conclusions. >> True. But we shouldn't ignore what the facts and statistics tell us, either. >> After all, these organizations don't recruit Muslims >> exclusively; certainly Hamas, Hezbollah, al Qaeda and the al >> Aqsa Brigade wouldn't ban non-Muslims expressing interest in >> suicidal homicide. It just happens that so far the majority >> of applicants have been Muslim. Still, it is safe to say >> that these are equal opportunity outfits that don't >> discriminate on the basis of externals. >> Bullshit. I don¹t think hamas opens its doors to too many Jewish bombers. >> In this sense, perhaps it would be instructive to take a >> page from their book, particularly as regards the >> crime-solving tactic of racial profiling, which is the real >> culprit behind the anti-Muslim mood. Why else would we >> assume that because all the September 11th hijackers were >> Muslim, the next attack against the U.S. is more likely to >> be conducted by Muslims than by anyone else? Do the math. Racial profiling is ridiculous. So is ignoring the past. >> >> Besides, there's at least one degree of separation between >> the average law-abiding Muslim Arab-American and someone who >> is involved with such groups or supports them financially. >> >> It is counterproductive to stoke the flames of intolerance, >> as one U.S. Marine did when he called police after the >> shooting to report that Hadayet lived in his building and >> sometimes expressed revulsion at the American flag that the >> Marine had hanging off his balcony. It's as if we've >> learned nothing from a decade of Bill Maher: true patriots >> criticize their country >> >> And it isn't even Hadayet's country, so again--perhaps >> Americans can take an example from this Egyptian national.
[CTRL] The Myth of Islamic Tolerance
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>From a Christian web site, cross-posted from a Jewish list. Go figure.
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> the history of Christian treatment of religious minorities,
> particularly
> Jews and Muslims, with the history of Jews and Christians
> under Islam.
> According to this politically correct scenario, Christians
> have been
> brutally intolerant while Muslims have generally been quite
> benign (except
> in response to Christian provocations, from the Crusades to
> colonialism).
>
> Alas, the charge of Christian intolerance has a good deal of
> substance,
> though the historical record is not as uniformly bad as it
> is often said to
> be. But what about Islamic tolerance of Jews and Christians?
>
> Bat Ye'or (a pseudonym meaning "daughter of the Nile") is an
> Egyptian-born
> Jewish scholar. In articles and books such as The Decline of
> Eastern
> Christianity Under Islam: From Jihad to Dhimmitude
> (Fairleigh Dickinson
> Univ. Press), she has argued that Islamic tolerance is a
> myth of modern
> origin, born of the converging interests of the Islamic
> states and the
> Western colonial powers. The actual condition of the
> dhimmi-that is, the
> indigenous Jews, Christians, and other non-Muslims under
> Islamic law as a
> result of conquest-was one of fundamental subjection that
> permitted only the
> private exercise of religion. To describe the historical
> reality of Jews and
> Christians under Islam from the seventh century to the
> present, she has
> coined the term "dhimmitude."
>
> This revisionist history is important for its own sake, to
> set the record
> straight. But it is particularly significant, Bat Ye'or
> argues, at a time
> when many Muslim intellectuals are neither discarding their
> faith in favor
> of Western models nor accepting uncritically the dictates of
> Islamic
> traditionalists but rather are seeking a reform of Islam
> from within.
>
> Michael Cromartie interviewed Bat Ye'or this spring in
> Washington, D.C.,
> where she was speaking at the Ethics and Public Policy
> Center.
>
> You have challenged the alleged tolerance of Islamic regimes
> toward
> Christians and Jews. You say Christians and Jews were
> considered to be
> protected and given a special designation as ahl al-dhimma
> ("protected
> people"), but contrary to this theory of a protected status,
> the conduct of
> many Muslims has been brutally oppressive toward
> non-Muslims. Could you
> elaborate?
> In Islamic law there is both a history of protection of Jews
> and Christians
> and a history of persecution of Jews and Christians. Because
> of the whole
> history of Judaism and Christianity, Islam has been a
> subject deliberately
> obfuscated by Western policy. When there is no real history,
> there is a
> void, and myths flourish. We now have a myth which has taken
> the place of
> history, a big myth which has covered three continents:
> Africa, Asia, and
> Europe. This myth spans not only three continents but also
> 13 centuries, the
> period of Islamic rule over the Christian world.
>
> A myth of tolerance?
> Although tolerance existed, it was counterbalanced by a
> system of oppression
> that led to the open extermination of Christian populations
> and the
> disappearance of the Eastern Christian culture. Tolerance
> was given to Jews
> and Christians only on the condition that they would accept
> and submit to a
> system of persecution and total inferiority. The governing
> context for such
> tolerance was the jihad. The two are linked and cannot be
> separated.
>
> How do you define jihad?
> Jihad is a religious conception that divides the world into
> two parts: the
> Muslim lands and the non-Muslims. Between the two exists a
> situation of
> perpetual conflict. This situation of war can be replaced by
> a temporary
> situation of semipeace whereby non-Muslim countries pay a
> tribute to the
> Islamic countries. But if they stop paying the tribute, the
> jihad resumes
> because jihad is the normal state of relationship between
> the non-Muslim and
> the Muslim. Jihad is often compared to the Crusades, but it
> actually
> preceded the Crusades by five centuries. It was within the
> context of jihad
> that the Christian populations and Jewish communities became
> subject to the
> Islamic law.
>
> Historically among the non-Muslims there were Jews and
> Christians who
> benefited from a privileged situation. If they submitted
> without resistance
> to the Arab armies, they were given protection by the
> Islamic ruler, but
> this was protection from the laws of jihad, not protection
> because they were
> loved. Protection from the laws of jihad protected the
> non-Muslim's life,
> property, and family. But non-Muslims were not allowed
> genuinely to pract
Re: [CTRL] A Look At The Powerful Jewish Lobby In America
-Caveat Lector- on 7/13/02 11:55 PM, Tenorlove at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: - This reminds me of a study from the late 50's or early 60's It was a report on marijuana use, and, at that time, it said the most likely user was a young Jewish male. It went on to say that this is because in the typical american christian family children are raised strictly, but come age 18 they are considered adults, are out of the house, on their own while jewish family structure gives a great deal of freedom to explore to the youth, which is balanced by longer term family responsibility and judgement. It was an old study, but at least in very broad brushstrokes seems to resonate. > > I think it's a combination of discipline and family support, both of > which figure very prominently in the Jewish ethos. -- Doubt. Doubt thyself. Doubt even if thou doubtest thyself. Doubt all. Doubt even if thou doubtest all. It seems sometimes as if beneath all conscious doubt there lay some deepest certainty. O kill it! Slay the snake! The horn of the Doubt-Goat be exalted Dive deeper, ever deeper, into the Abyss of Mind, until thou unearth the fox THAT. On, hounds! Yoicks! Tally-ho! Bring THAT to bay! Then, wind the Mort! Uncle Al. the kiddies pal NEURONAUTIC INSTITUTE on-line: http://home.earthlink.net/~thew http://www.ctrl.org/";>www.ctrl.org DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion & informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html";>Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED] http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/";>ctrl To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] LAX Shooting - Julia Gorin-Mohamed: Random terrorism
-Caveat Lector- > Jewish World Review > > July 10, 2002 / 1 Menachem-Av, 5762 > > Julia Gorin-Mohamed > > Random terrorism > > http://www.jewishworldreview.com | > > Hesham Mohamed Hadayet was one of the victims in last week's > tragic shootout at Los Angeles Airport. And now, as his > widow attests, he is being singled out from among the rest, > blamed because he is Arab and Muslim. > > Blamed not just for the random, spontaneous, isolated > shooting spree that it invariably was, but potentially for > terrorism and/or hate crimes. As one appropriately > indignant WABC reporter emphasized on Thursday, "Just > because the shooter was Egyptian and it happened at the El > Al counter," > investigators are looking into the possibility of terrorism. > > Indeed, would it be so inconceivable that after surveying > the bevy of competing airlines at LAX-after racking his > brain over which to pick from among the likes of Aeroflot, > Qantas, Lufthansa and Ukrainian National-Hadayet got tired > in front of the El Al counter and settled on it by default? > Hypothetically speaking, of course, since he didn't do it. > > It's a lucky thing Hadayet sent his family to Egypt shortly > before the attack. His wife, Hala Mohammed Sadeq El-Awadly, > is saying they might not be coming back. And who can blame > them, given the volatile racial climate here? > > Hadayet is reported to have been armed with two guns and a > hunting knife-allegedly incriminating evidence of his having > been the shooter. But is it so inconceivable that Hesham > Hadayet was as scared as the rest of us of terror in the > skies, and wanted to be prepared for the worst? > Furthermore, these items were most likely planted on him by > the Israeli El Al security. > > The exaggerated furor over this incident is all too > reminiscent of the tone surrounding the September 11th > attacks on New York and Washington when, in a similar way, > the country fixated on 19 Muslim hijackers. Officials and > media even managed to connect to all this a plane that > crashed in a remote part of Pennsylvania the same day. > After all, there were Muslims on board there too. With > everyone dwelling on the point that they did it, the point > gets lost that it could have been anyone. > > Just because terrorist organizations happen to attract many > Muslims, it doesn't mean we shouldn't steer clear of drawing > biased conclusions. > > After all, these organizations don't recruit Muslims > exclusively; certainly Hamas, Hezbollah, al Qaeda and the al > Aqsa Brigade wouldn't ban non-Muslims expressing interest in > suicidal homicide. It just happens that so far the majority > of applicants have been Muslim. Still, it is safe to say > that these are equal opportunity outfits that don't > discriminate on the basis of externals. > > In this sense, perhaps it would be instructive to take a > page from their book, particularly as regards the > crime-solving tactic of racial profiling, which is the real > culprit behind the anti-Muslim mood. Why else would we > assume that because all the September 11th hijackers were > Muslim, the next attack against the U.S. is more likely to > be conducted by Muslims than by anyone else? > > Besides, there's at least one degree of separation between > the average law-abiding Muslim Arab-American and someone who > is involved with such groups or supports them financially. > > It is counterproductive to stoke the flames of intolerance, > as one U.S. Marine did when he called police after the > shooting to report that Hadayet lived in his building and > sometimes expressed revulsion at the American flag that the > Marine had hanging off his balcony. It's as if we've > learned nothing from a decade of Bill Maher: true patriots > criticize their country. > > And it isn't even Hadayet's country, so again--perhaps > Americans can take an example from this Egyptian national. > > Speaking from Cairo, the widow El-Awadly yesterday said that > her husband is innocent, that he was a peaceful and > non-violent man who didn't have an opinion on Israel. > Indeed, this is the first time that he did or didn't kill > anyone, Jewish or otherwise. El-Awadly said she believes > that he is a victim of American injustice because "in > America they hate Islam and Arabs after September 11." Point > taken: Witness the typical display of U.S. favoritism > toward the dead Jews in this case over the dead Arab. > > Is it any wonder, then, that Osama bin Laden became the hero > of the Arab world after Sept. 11, even though the tape > linking him to the attacks was a fabrication? > > Is it any wonder that, even though the Holocaust never > happened, what's happening to the Palestinians is just like > it? > > Is it any wonder that the Arab world compares Ariel Sharon > to Adolf Hitler (blessed be the memory of that lone > righteous gentile)? > > Just like the documents linking Yassir Arafat to weapons > shipments from Iran and payments to martyr families were > forge
Re: [CTRL] A Look At The Powerful Jewish Lobby In America
-Caveat Lector- I think it's a combination of discipline and family support, both of which figure very prominently in the Jewish ethos. Tenorlove __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Autos - Get free new car price quotes http://autos.yahoo.com http://www.ctrl.org/";>www.ctrl.org DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion & informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html";>Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED] http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/";>ctrl To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] PC run amok AGAIN
-Caveat Lector- on 7/13/02 7:53 PM, InfoWarz at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > -Caveat Lector- > > At 06:25 PM 7/13/02 , you wrote: >> -Caveat Lector- >> >> Union is not the same as homogeneity. >> >> In fact Union can only occur among that which was diverse. Otherwise there >> is nothing to unify. > > But it the union we celebrate not the diversity. They are as inseparable as the yin and yang of a tai chi. Without diversity there is no unity to celebrate. If you kill the diversity, you destroy the unity. > >> Schools need to focus on the 3 r's - and also the additional r's of reason, >> rhyme, and respect. > > That is not object of government schooling, nor should it ever be. Well rhyme seems harmless so you can't object to that. Respect is likewise pretty unobjectionable, so I have to assume it is reason, that you fear so much. Is it because if people learn to reason intelligently, they may abandon religious claptrap and jingoistic rote, for educated discourse? Reason is the main thing schools need to teach. > > >> on 7/13/02 6:16 PM, InfoWarz at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: >> >>> -Caveat Lector- >>> >>> So-called tolerance and diversity are the best tools yet to divide and >>> conquer >>> the American people. They are brainwashing tools of oppression and >>> destruction straight out of the Illuminati's Protocols of Sion and the >>> Communist Manifesto. >>> Schools should teach the three R's, not a bunch of socialist indoctrination. >>> Better yet get your kids out of the government indoctrination centers. >>> Intolerance to evil, and union rather than diversity is the American way. >>> - >>> -InfoWarz >>> Johnny can't read or write, but he knows how to love fags, hug trees, and >>> wear >>> a condom. Johnny is the perfectly designed slave to the New World Order. >>> >>> At 02:56 PM 7/13/02 , you wrote: -Caveat Lector- > by using the few hours they do have for teaching about diversity, it > takes away from hours that could be better spent teaching about > reading, That's absurd. Teach them about reading by having them read about diversity. Teach critical thinking by having them discuss what they have read. >>> >>> http://www.ctrl.org/";>www.ctrl.org >>> DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER >>> == >>> CTRL is a discussion & informational exchange list. Proselytizing >>> propagandic >>> screeds are unwelcomed. Substance?not soap-boxing?please! These are >>> sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'?with its many half-truths, mis- >>> directions and outright frauds?is used politically by different groups with >>> major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. >>> That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and >>> always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no >>> credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. >>> >>> Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. >>> >>> Archives Available at: >>> http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html >>> http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html";>Archives of >>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>> >>> http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ >>> http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/";>ctrl >>> >>> To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: >>> SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>> >>> To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: >>> SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>> >>> Om >> >> -- >> >> http://www.ctrl.org/";>www.ctrl.org >> DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER >> == >> CTRL is a discussion & informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic >> screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are >> sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- >> directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with >> major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. >> That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and >> always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no >> credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. >> >> Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. >> >> Archives Available at: >> http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html >> http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html";>Archives of >> [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> >> http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ >> http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/";>ctrl >> >> To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: >> SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> >> To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: >> SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> >> Om > > http://www.ctrl.org/";>www.ctrl.org > DECLARAT
Re: [CTRL] PC run amok AGAIN
-Caveat Lector- on 7/13/02 8:13 PM, InfoWarz at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Then we have conflict. Tolerance of evil leads to total dominance of evil. No one is speaking of tolerance of evil - we are talking about tolerance of cultural differences. Tolerance for your brothers and sisters in the eyes of the lord. > Conflict in many cases is preferential to tolerance. > Will you tolerate a murderer? A thief in your home? A queer molesting your > child? Why a queer? How about a priest? A gym teacher? Some heterosexual molester? > Tolerance is PC propaganda to keep the people decadent, mindless, and easy to > corral. Funny - I thought that was religion's bailiwick > Diversity is to keep the people bickering, divided and unable to > stand against the very same tyrants that are pushing this PC garbage on them. The only people bickering are those against diversity. Those who accept it as a natural consequence of a round planet, a curious people, a world in which trade exists, and part of living in a free country don't have to bicker about it. It seems ok. Lets lose the code words for a second - if you are against diversity, you are against anyone who does not think and look exactly like you. What makes you so sure YOU are what America, or God would choose? -- -- Heathen, n. A benighted creature who has the folly to worship something that he can see and feel. Ambrose Bierce, the Devils Dictionary NEURONAUTIC INSTITUTE on-line: http://home.earthlink.net/~thew http://www.ctrl.org/";>www.ctrl.org DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion & informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html";>Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED] http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/";>ctrl To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] A Look At The Powerful Jewish Lobby In America
Title: Re: [CTRL] A Look At The Powerful Jewish Lobby In America -Caveat Lector- Sounds like sour grapes to me. on 7/13/02 8:38 PM, William Shannon at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I DO know that there is NO WAY to explain the disproportionate power your people wield except for some secret plan or game. There is no way that "hard work and education" alone could explain this phenomenon. -- -- -- -- -- - -- - -- -- - - - - -- --- -- - - - - -- - - - -- -- - -- - He who does not prefer exile to slavery is not free by any measure of freedom, truth and duty. Kahil Gibran, Spirits Rebellious NEURONAUTIC INSTITUTE on-line: http://home.earthlink.net/~thew www.ctrl.org DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion & informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED] http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ ctrl To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] PC run amok AGAIN
-Caveat Lector- Jesus taught tolerance, not just by word, but by deed. Yes, but tolerance of differences, e.g. the Good Samaritan, but not tolerance of sin. He was dead set against it and told us not to associate with those who deliberately sin. Was he practicing tolerance when he drove the money changers out of the temple? JR - Original Message - From: Nessie SFBG To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, July 13, 2002 7:16 PM Subject: Re: [CTRL] PC run amok AGAIN -Caveat Lector->So-called tolerance and diversity are the best tools yet to divide>and conquer the American people.Diversity is a fact of life. It isn't going away. We have to dealwith it. The best way to deal with it is to teach tolerance. Eitherwe teach tolerance or we have conflict. There is no middle ground.Teaching tolerance is indeed socialist propaganda, but it is alsoChristian propaganda. Jesus taught tolerance, not just by word, butby deed. What are you saying here, that Jesus's teachings have noplace in public education?www.ctrl.orghttp://www.ctrl.org/">www.ctrl.org>DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER==CTRL is a discussion & informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandicscreeds are unwelcomed. Substance-not soap-boxing-please! These aresordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'-with its many half-truths, mis-directions and outright frauds-is used politically by different groups withmajor and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought.That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, andalways suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives nocredence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply.Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector.Archives Available at:http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html Archives'>http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html">Archives of[EMAIL PROTECTED]>http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ ctrlhttp:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/">ctrl>To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email:SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED]To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email:SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED]Om www.ctrl.org DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion & informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED] http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ ctrl To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] A Look At The Powerful Jewish Lobby In America
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 7/13/02 3:47:56 PM Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: To say you want to examine Jewish power like you would examine the CIA, the freemasons, or big oil, is to perpetuate the very myth that you claim to deny accepting â that being Jewish grants you entrance into some organized group that shares goals ideas methods business contacts and a plan of action â in other words a cabal or conspiracy. I donât think it exists. Like Masons, not all Jews are accepted into the inner circle, and therefore are not privy to the real agenda...clearly you are not a member of that sacred "33rd Degree"...HOWEVER the FACT that 2% of a population can CONTROL so much is PROOF of some conspiracy, some cabal...something ODD. So essentially you admit to being clueless to the game at hand, though it's possible you're simply being provocative, I have no idea as to your motives/agenda. I DO know that there is NO WAY to explain the disproportionate power your people wield except for some secret plan or game. There is no way that "hard work and education" alone could explain this phenomenon. Bill. www.ctrl.org DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion & informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED] http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ ctrl To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] PC run amok AGAIN
-Caveat Lector- At 07:16 PM 7/13/02 , you wrote: >-Caveat Lector- > >>So-called tolerance and diversity are the best tools yet to divide >>and conquer the American people. > > >Diversity is a fact of life. It isn't going away. We have to deal >with it. The best way to deal with it is to teach tolerance. Either >we teach tolerance or we have conflict. There is no middle ground. Then we have conflict. Tolerance of evil leads to total dominance of evil. Conflict in many cases is preferential to tolerance. Will you tolerate a murderer? A thief in your home? A queer molesting your child? Tolerance is PC propaganda to keep the people decadent, mindless, and easy to corral. Diversity is to keep the people bickering, divided and unable to stand against the very same tyrants that are pushing this PC garbage on them. >Teaching tolerance is indeed socialist propaganda, but it is also >Christian propaganda. Jesus taught tolerance, not just by word, but >by deed. What are you saying here, that Jesus's teachings have no >place in public education? Jesus did not teach tolerance of evil. He taught war on evil. In the OT he lead Jacob's people to wipe out entire nations. The bible says the LORD is a man of war. Public education is a plank of the Communist Manifesto. Children should be taught at home or in neighborhood or local groups, the government should not be involved. Government involvement in schools is the root of all these educational problems. --- -InfoWarz Very intolerant of tolerance pushers. http://www.ctrl.org/";>www.ctrl.org DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion & informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html";>Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED] http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/";>ctrl To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] A Look At The Powerful Jewish Lobby In America
-Caveat Lector- First, I appreciate your friendly response to what was my own "jumping the gun," assuming that you didn't have more things to say beyond your initial response. I think you would agree with me that at this point in time, a significant number of Jews have indeed got past the guardians at the gate and now walk the corridors of wealth and power. If this is true, and one also agrees that Jews do share a common culture to some extent--and also a rather unique and strong bond in light of past persecutions of Jews as a people--I would conclude that there is a de facto network of powerful and wealthy Jews. As you say, it was generally only their overt Jewish-ness that individual Jews had to discard. This implies that there are other, more covert, aspects of Jewish-ness that they retained. I don't mean this to sound sinister; I am just trying to say that it would be a natural thing for such successful Jews to continue to feel a unique bond--and to share some common culturally- or religiously-based goals and beliefs--with their fellow Jews. To that extent, I do feel that there is in fact a powerful network of Jews in America. To use less loaded terms, I believe that there are a number of wealthy and powerful Jews in our society who sometimes agree on and work towards common goals (and, of course, they also disagree on many issues, have conflicts and battles within their community, and ally with or oppose various non-Jewish groups at various times). The key question is, What kinds of common goals do Jews pursue? I honestly don't know. While there are certainly Jews who are committed to Palestinian human rights and who oppose Israeli government policies, I think it's safe to say that a majority of American Jews would like to see a pro-Israeli foreign policy. Beyond that, I don't really know what if any commonalties exist. I would suggest that the truth lies somewhere in the middle. In other words, I think Jewish power does exist and that it goes beyond, for example, the occasional Jewish business leader getting the child of a Jewish friends an internship, but that it falls far short of the comic-book-like scenario wherein all Jews provide robot-like obedience to the dictates of some central Jewish Command Center. I think that Jews in America as a whole (if there really is such a thing) shared a culture of hard work and education â and were close enough to being white to be able to squeeze past the guardians at the gate. I also , in my inimitable manner, pointed out that I don't think there is a powerful good olâ boys network of Jewish wealth. Quite the opposite â the corridors of wealth and power were so closed to Jews, that they had to divest themselves of overt Jewish-ness, so they could play the game with the big boys. Because to the big boys where you come from matters a little less than how big your wallet is. To say you want to examine Jewish power like you would examine the CIA, the freemasons, or big oil, is to perpetuate the very myth that you claim to deny accepting â that being Jewish grants you entrance into some organized group that shares goals ideas methods business contacts and a plan of action â in other words a cabal or conspiracy. I donut think it exists. Al Hidell PARANOIA: The Conspiracy Reader Box 1041 Providence, RI 02901-1041 http://www.paranoiamagazine.com www.ctrl.org DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion & informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED] http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ ctrl To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] PC run amok AGAIN
-Caveat Lector- At 06:25 PM 7/13/02 , you wrote: >-Caveat Lector- > >Union is not the same as homogeneity. > >In fact Union can only occur among that which was diverse. Otherwise there >is nothing to unify. But it the union we celebrate not the diversity. >Schools need to focus on the 3 r's - and also the additional r's of reason, >rhyme, and respect. That is not object of government schooling, nor should it ever be. >on 7/13/02 6:16 PM, InfoWarz at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > -Caveat Lector- > > > > So-called tolerance and diversity are the best tools yet to divide and conquer > > the American people. They are brainwashing tools of oppression and > > destruction straight out of the Illuminati's Protocols of Sion and the > > Communist Manifesto. > > Schools should teach the three R's, not a bunch of socialist indoctrination. > > Better yet get your kids out of the government indoctrination centers. > > Intolerance to evil, and union rather than diversity is the American way. > > - > > -InfoWarz > > Johnny can't read or write, but he knows how to love fags, hug trees, and wear > > a condom. Johnny is the perfectly designed slave to the New World Order. > > > > At 02:56 PM 7/13/02 , you wrote: > >> -Caveat Lector- > >> > >>> by using the few hours they do have for teaching about diversity, it > >>> takes away from hours that could be better spent teaching about > >>> reading, > >> > >> > >> That's absurd. Teach them about reading by having them read about > >> diversity. Teach critical thinking by having them discuss what they > >> have read. > > > > http://www.ctrl.org/";>www.ctrl.org > > DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER > > == > > CTRL is a discussion & informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic > > screeds are unwelcomed. Substance?not soap-boxing?please! These are > > sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'?with its many half-truths, mis- > > directions and outright frauds?is used politically by different groups with > > major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. > > That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and > > always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no > > credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. > > > > Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. > > > > Archives Available at: > > http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html > > http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html";>Archives of > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ > > http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/";>ctrl > > > > To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: > > SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: > > SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > Om > >-- > >http://www.ctrl.org/";>www.ctrl.org >DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER >== >CTRL is a discussion & informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic >screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are >sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- >directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with >major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. >That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and >always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no >credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. > >Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. > >Archives Available at: >http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html > http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html";>Archives of >[EMAIL PROTECTED] > >http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ > http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/";>ctrl > >To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: >SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: >SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >Om http://www.ctrl.org/";>www.ctrl.org DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion & informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. ==
Re: [CTRL] PC run amok AGAIN
-Caveat Lector- No, Jesus has no place in public education. Public education is Anti Christ. Public education is a tool for indoctrinating impressionale children into the new world order. And he didn't teach tolerance outside of God's Law. Public education is a tool for indoctrinating impressionale children into the new world order. >Teaching tolerance is indeed socialist propaganda, but it is also >Christian propaganda. Jesus taught tolerance, not just by word, but >by deed. What are you saying here, that Jesus's teachings have no >place in public education? http://www.ctrl.org/";>www.ctrl.org DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion & informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html";>Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED] http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/";>ctrl To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] PC run amok AGAIN
-Caveat Lector- >So-called tolerance and diversity are the best tools yet to divide >and conquer the American people. Diversity is a fact of life. It isn't going away. We have to deal with it. The best way to deal with it is to teach tolerance. Either we teach tolerance or we have conflict. There is no middle ground. Teaching tolerance is indeed socialist propaganda, but it is also Christian propaganda. Jesus taught tolerance, not just by word, but by deed. What are you saying here, that Jesus's teachings have no place in public education? http://www.ctrl.org/";>www.ctrl.org DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion & informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html";>Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED] http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/";>ctrl To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] PC run amok AGAIN
-Caveat Lector- The point is not to lose "The Grapes of Wrath" but to enhance it with Stories similar and divergent from around the world. I'm all for studying the dead white men. I'm also all for rounding that out with everyone else who has something of value to offer. And as a post script thought of sorts - The job of the school is NOT to teach you everything you will need to know for the rest of your life - it is to give you the basics, basis, and techniques, so you can continue to learn for the rest of your life. on 7/13/02 6:28 PM, Joshua Tinnin at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > And, it, too, will soon go the way of the multi-cultural education. > Who knows if the students will read The Grapes of Wrath in that future > class? Probably not. It's sad, honestly. > > - jt > > http://www.ctrl.org/";>www.ctrl.org > DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER > == > CTRL is a discussion & informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic > screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are > sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- > directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with > major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. > That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and > always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no > credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. > > Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. > > Archives Available at: > http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html > http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html";>Archives of > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ > http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/";>ctrl > > To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: > SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: > SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Om Pluralitas non est ponenda sine neccesitate William of Occam NEURONAUTIC INSTITUTE on-line: http://home.earthlink.net/~thew http://www.ctrl.org/";>www.ctrl.org DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion & informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html";>Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED] http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/";>ctrl To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] PC run amok AGAIN
-Caveat Lector- - Original Message - From: "Tenorlove" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > < inherently corrupt, and any government which purports to support a > religion is corrupted even further. > > I leave symbols to the "symbol minded," to quote George Carlin.>> > > Isn't it great that you live in a country where you have the freedom to > do so? :-D You betcha! Well, at least there is that freedom at the moment. > < criticizing Catholicism, the catholic agenda, and a religious > curriculum?>> > > The oversensitivity to, and preoccupation with, feelings are part of > the PC problem, since both stifle debate. The fact that her voice was > silenced is the issue. There are ways to criticize without "hurting > feelings" - if manners were still in vogue, it would be second nature. > > < but it is definitely not a healthy one. It sponsors a diversity that > isn't really isn't diverse, but straightjackets thinking and then sends > it on its way.>> > > And the PC police practice the same kind of intolerance they rail > against in traditionalists. > > < complexity of ALL belief systems in a neutral way, and ALL belief > systems teach that their way is right and others are wrong. The > schools have chosen a belief system, call it Diversity, and expect the > students to follow it at least during the hours they are in school, all > with taxpayer dollars. > > Exactly. And by using the few hours they do have for teaching about > diversity, it takes away from hours that could be better spent teaching > about reading, writing, spelling, math, history, geography, science, > etc. Actually, I happen to agree completely with this. So do my parents, who, again, worked within the public schools for over 50 years, collectively. More than that, acutally, when I think about it. Interestingly enough, my mother taught Humanities, which is American lit and history. She taught the lit portion - it was a two hour class. Anyway, there was a lot of discussion in the public school administration in that district about how students shoudn't be taught all these "dead white guys," and that they should be taught a multi-cultural curriculum, as American history and culture has more to do with other ideas than just the classical Greeks. Fine. But, the fact remains that the classical Greeks had a major influence on our Founders, as did the government of the Romans. And those "dead white guys" who wrote a lot did shape the minds and hearts of the people who helped to shape this culture. Now, of course that is not the only factor, but it is a major one. Like it or not, much of American lit is "dead white guys." Even so, there were people such as Maya Angelou that we read as well in Humanities. But it was never about teaching that these "dead white guys" had all the answers. Far from it. It was much more about "this is what shaped American culture." I mean, we even had to read James Fenimore Cooper, who is completely awful, but he did write the first American novel. And there was no pretense that he was a great novelist, just that he was the first one in the US. We also read Steinbeck and Walt Whitman, and many others. I say this in first person as I actually took the class, and it was quite good - and, no favoitism there. I had to work my butt off just to get an A- average in that class. But my mom retired some years ago, and the only thing keeping that class alive is her team teacher, who is getting ready to retire, himself. Once he does, American Humanities will be dead in this high school. It was my mom's cirriculum, drawn up in an age when teachers were allowed to do that sort of thing. And, it, too, will soon go the way of the multi-cultural education. Who knows if the students will read The Grapes of Wrath in that future class? Probably not. It's sad, honestly. - jt http://www.ctrl.org/";>www.ctrl.org DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion & informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html";>Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED] http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/";>ctrl To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theor
Re: [CTRL] PC run amok AGAIN
-Caveat Lector- Union is not the same as homogeneity. In fact Union can only occur among that which was diverse. Otherwise there is nothing to unify. Schools need to focus on the 3 r's - and also the additional r's of reason, rhyme, and respect. on 7/13/02 6:16 PM, InfoWarz at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > -Caveat Lector- > > So-called tolerance and diversity are the best tools yet to divide and conquer > the American people. They are brainwashing tools of oppression and > destruction straight out of the Illuminati's Protocols of Sion and the > Communist Manifesto. > Schools should teach the three R's, not a bunch of socialist indoctrination. > Better yet get your kids out of the government indoctrination centers. > Intolerance to evil, and union rather than diversity is the American way. > - > -InfoWarz > Johnny can't read or write, but he knows how to love fags, hug trees, and wear > a condom. Johnny is the perfectly designed slave to the New World Order. > > At 02:56 PM 7/13/02 , you wrote: >> -Caveat Lector- >> >>> by using the few hours they do have for teaching about diversity, it >>> takes away from hours that could be better spent teaching about >>> reading, >> >> >> That's absurd. Teach them about reading by having them read about >> diversity. Teach critical thinking by having them discuss what they >> have read. > > http://www.ctrl.org/";>www.ctrl.org > DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER > == > CTRL is a discussion & informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic > screeds are unwelcomed. Substance?not soap-boxing?please! These are > sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'?with its many half-truths, mis- > directions and outright frauds?is used politically by different groups with > major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. > That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and > always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no > credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. > > Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. > > Archives Available at: > http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html > http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html";>Archives of > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ > http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/";>ctrl > > To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: > SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: > SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Om -- http://www.ctrl.org/";>www.ctrl.org DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion & informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html";>Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED] http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/";>ctrl To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] PC run amok AGAIN
-Caveat Lector- So-called tolerance and diversity are the best tools yet to divide and conquer the American people. They are brainwashing tools of oppression and destruction straight out of the Illuminati's Protocols of Sion and the Communist Manifesto. Schools should teach the three R's, not a bunch of socialist indoctrination. Better yet get your kids out of the government indoctrination centers. Intolerance to evil, and union rather than diversity is the American way. - -InfoWarz Johnny can't read or write, but he knows how to love fags, hug trees, and wear a condom. Johnny is the perfectly designed slave to the New World Order. At 02:56 PM 7/13/02 , you wrote: >-Caveat Lector- > >>by using the few hours they do have for teaching about diversity, it >>takes away from hours that could be better spent teaching about >>reading, > > >That's absurd. Teach them about reading by having them read about >diversity. Teach critical thinking by having them discuss what they >have read. http://www.ctrl.org/";>www.ctrl.org DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion & informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html";>Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED] http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/";>ctrl To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] PC run amok AGAIN
Title: Re: [CTRL] PC run amok AGAIN -Caveat Lector- Bullshit There are many ways to teach reading, and phonics is only one of them. (whole language approach is another, as an example) You are confusing levels here You obviously will not be having 1st graders read weighty tomes on diversity. But once kids get the basics, you can use more thoughtful materials, as part of a combined curriculum, that teaches reading skills such as comprehension, as well as whatever the subject matter is. Reading is more than being able to get the words right. Reading is the ability to get the words, extract meaning, examine for consistency, and being able to reflect your own thought against the material, in order to come to some conclusions. Phonics only teaches getting the words right. on 7/13/02 5:53 PM, Jim Rarey at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -Caveat Lector- Teach them about reading by having them read about diversity That thinking is why half or more of our population are functional illiterates. Most children have to be taught how to read. Just having them read, or reading to them, does nothing to impart the "rules" of the alphabet. All it does is heighten their sense of frustration because they can't master the art of reading and makes them feel inferior (the exact opposite of what the PC idiots say they want, which is to bolster their sense of self-esteem).Phonics is the only way to teach reading. JR - Original Message - From: Nessie SFBG To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, July 13, 2002 2:56 PM Subject: Re: [CTRL] PC run amok AGAIN -Caveat Lector- >by using the few hours they do have for teaching about diversity, it >takes away from hours that could be better spent teaching about >reading, That's absurd. Teach them about reading by having them read about diversity. Teach critical thinking by having them discuss what they have read. http://www.ctrl.org/">www.ctrl.org > DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion & informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substance-not soap-boxing-please! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'-with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright frauds-is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html">Archives" of [EMAIL PROTECTED] > http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/">ctrl > To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om www.ctrl.org" DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion & informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html Archives" of [EMAIL PROTECTED] http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ ctrl" To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om -- Men occasionally stumble over the truth, but most of them pick themselves up and hurry off as if nothing ever happened. Sir Winston Churchill NEURONAUTIC INSTITUTE on-line: http://home.earthlink.net/~thew www.ctrl.org DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion & informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being sa
Re: [CTRL] PC run amok AGAIN
-Caveat Lector- Teach them about reading by having them read aboutdiversity That thinking is why half or more of our population are functional illiterates. Most children have to be taught how to read. Just having them read, or reading to them, does nothing to impart the "rules" of the alphabet. All it does is heighten their sense of frustration because they can't master the art of reading and makes them feel inferior (the exact opposite of what the PC idiots say they want, which is to bolster their sense of self-esteem).Phonics is the only way to teach reading. JR - Original Message - From: Nessie SFBG To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, July 13, 2002 2:56 PM Subject: Re: [CTRL] PC run amok AGAIN -Caveat Lector->by using the few hours they do have for teaching about diversity, it>takes away from hours that could be better spent teaching about>reading,That's absurd. Teach them about reading by having them read aboutdiversity. Teach critical thinking by having them discuss what theyhave read.www.ctrl.orghttp://www.ctrl.org/">www.ctrl.org>DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER==CTRL is a discussion & informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandicscreeds are unwelcomed. Substance-not soap-boxing-please! These aresordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'-with its many half-truths, mis-directions and outright frauds-is used politically by different groups withmajor and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought.That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, andalways suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives nocredence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply.Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector.Archives Available at:http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html Archives'>http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html">Archives of[EMAIL PROTECTED]>http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ ctrlhttp:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/">ctrl>To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email:SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED]To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email:SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED]Om www.ctrl.org DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion & informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED] http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ ctrl To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] A Look At The Powerful Jewish Lobby In America
Title: Re: [CTRL] A Look At The Powerful Jewish Lobby In America -Caveat Lector- I’m all for discussions. I didn’t say anything about your beliefs. I said something about mine. I agree with almost everything you said With just a slight bit of sarcasm removal ( something I’m sure my words could use most of the time) what my post stated was that I think that Jews in America as a whole ( if there really is such a thing) shared a culture of hard work and education – and were close enough to being white to be able to squeeze past the guardians at the gate. I also , in my inimitable manner, pointed out that I don’t think there is a powerful good ol’ boys network of Jewish wealth. Quite the opposite – the corridors of wealth and power were so closed to Jews, that they had to divest themselves of overt Jewish-ness, so they could play the game with the big boys. Because to the big boys where you come from matters a little less than how big your wallet is. To say you want to examine Jewish power like you would examine the CIA, the freemasons, or big oil, is to perpetuate the very myth that you claim to deny accepting – that being Jewish grants you entrance into some organized group that shares goals ideas methods business contacts and a plan of action – in other words a cabal or conspiracy. I don’t think it exists. And if it does I want my check. ( you know us Jews – always the bottom line) on 7/13/02 4:03 PM, Al Hidell at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -Caveat Lector- This is what I mean about people jumping to conclusions and responding mindlessly to any attempt to discuss this topic. My post said precisely the opposite, that I did NOT believe in some kind of Jewish Conspiracy HQ. Well, I respect your opinion even though it has no relations to anything I said. I WANT MY PIECE OF THE JEWISH CONSPIRACY DOLLAR. Seriously – I do. My poor parents – they came here to a foreign country, speaking almost no English, after surviving an attempted genocide – and worked their asses off to create a new home in a new place, and to raise, provide for, and educate a family. My father started his own businesses, my mother worked 16 hour days until she became head of medical departments. If only they had know they simply could have gone to World Jew HQ and gotten a big assed ol’ check. Their lives could have been SO much easier. Al Hidell PARANOIA: The Conspiracy Reader Box 1041 Providence, RI 02901-1041 http://www.paranoiamagazine.com www.ctrl.org" DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion & informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substance -- -- Heathen, n. A benighted creature who has the folly to worship something that he can see and feel. Ambrose Bierce, the Devils Dictionary NEURONAUTIC INSTITUTE on-line: http://home.earthlink.net/~thew www.ctrl.org DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion & informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED] http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ ctrl To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] A Look At The Powerful Jewish Lobby In America
-Caveat Lector- This is what I mean about people jumping to conclusions and responding mindlessly to any attempt to discuss this topic. My post said precisely the opposite, that I did NOT believe in some kind of Jewish Conspiracy HQ. Well, I respect your opinion even though it has no relations to anything I said. I WANT MY PIECE OF THE JEWISH CONSPIRACY DOLLAR. Seriously â I do. My poor parents â they came here to a foreign country, speaking almost no English, after surviving an attempted genocide â and worked their asses off to create a new home in a new place, and to raise, provide for, and educate a family. My father started his own businesses, my mother worked 16 hour days until she became head of medical departments. If only they had know they simply could have gone to World Jew HQ and gotten a big assed olâ check. Their lives could have been SO much easier. Al Hidell PARANOIA: The Conspiracy Reader Box 1041 Providence, RI 02901-1041 http://www.paranoiamagazine.com www.ctrl.org DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion & informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED] http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ ctrl To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Social Security, A Bigger Fraud Than Corporate Scandals
-Caveat Lector- Social Security Called A Bigger Fraud Than Corporate Scandals By Jim Burns CNSNews.com Senior Staff Writer July 12, 2002 (CNSNews.com) - A public policy think tank devoted to individual liberty and free-market capitalism says the current frenzy in Congress and elsewhere to address corporate accounting scandals isn't a reaction to fraud. It's an attack on business and capitalism, said the Ayn Rand Institute. The Institute wonders why lawmakers and others aren't looking at the Social Security program. Robert Tracinski, a senior fellow at the Ayn Rand Institute, said, "People leading the hysteria about corporate crime are eager to expose and condemn any alleged fraud by private businessmen, but they ignore or excuse actual fraud committed by government officials. "They demand strict accounting regulations to prevent billion dollar business frauds while they evade responsibility for a trillion-dollar government fraud," he added. Tracinski described Social Security as "the world's largest fraudulent scheme." The program, he said, takes one-eighth of the income of the current generation of workers and promises them a secure retirement, to be paid for by fleecing the next generation of workers. He said it's ironic that no one in Washington is demanding an end to Social Security. "Eventually, as with any such scheme, the number of new suckers coming into the system is not enough to pay the benefits owed to retirees. This is projected to happen in the next 10 to fifteen years, causing Social Security to go bankrupt, but no one in Washington is demanding an end to Social Security," he said. "To tolerate wholesale fraud and theft by government, while posing as a moralistic crusader against fraud by private businesses is a con game that makes the crowd at Enron look like small-timers," Tracinski concluded. Sen. John McCain (R-Ariz.) agreed on Thursday that government "does not always set a sterling example of honesty to corporate executives. "Too often, we have cooked the books, exploited off-balance sheet accounting, fudged budget numbers and failed to disclose fully the nation's assets and liabilities. If we in Washington are to have credibility in the public eye as we address the corporate accounting mess, we must reform our own fiscal practices," said McCain. But McCain said the best way to ensure the "solvency" of the Social Security system is to honor the "solemn promise that in exchange for the payroll taxes they have rendered all their working lives, all Americans will receive a minimally adequate retirement income." He also believes Americans should be allowed to invest a portion of their payroll taxes in the financial markets. "Allowing Americans to invest responsibly a small part of their payroll taxes will not only save Social Security, but will provide them with greater retirement income than those who no or will soon depend on Social Security checks," said McCain. http://www.conservativenews.org/ViewPolitics.asp?Page=\Politics\archive\200207\POL20020712b.html This email was cleaned by emailStripper, available for free from http://www.papercut.biz/emailStripper.htm Plutarchy(Plu"tar*chy) n. [Gr. wealth + -archy.] Plutocracy; the rule of wealth. [R.] Plunder(Plun"der) v. t. [imp. & p. p. Plundered ; p. pr. & vb. n. Plundering.] [G. plündern to plunder, plunder frippery, baggage.] 1. To take the goods of by force, or without right; to pillage; to spoil; to sack; to strip; to rob; as, to plunder travelers.Nebuchadnezzar plunders the temple of God.South. 2. To take by pillage; to appropriate forcibly; as, the enemy plundered all the goods they found.Syn. To pillage; despoil; sack; rifle; strip; rob. Websters Revised Unabridged Dictionary 1913 ab www.ctrl.org DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion & informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED] http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ ctrl To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Fwd: [CIA-DRUGS] warpigs gorge some more
-Caveat Lector- http://www.ctrl.org/";>www.ctrl.org DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion & informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html";>Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED] http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/";>ctrl To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om --- Begin Message --- -Caveat Lector- (NYTimes registration required)- http://www.nytimes.com/2002/07/13/business/13HALL.html?todaysheadlines In Tough Times, a Company Finds Profits in Terror War By JEFF GERTH and DON VAN NATTA Jr. WASHINGTON, July 12 - The Halliburton Company, the Dallas oil services company bedeviled lately by an array of accounting and business issues, is benefiting very directly from the United States efforts to combat terrorism. >From building cells for detainees at Guantánamo Bay in Cuba to feeding American troops in Uzbekistan, the Pentagon is increasingly relying on a unit of Halliburton called KBR, sometimes referred to as Kellogg Brown & Root. Although the unit has been building projects all over the world for the federal government for decades, the attacks of Sept. 11 have led to significant additional business. KBR is the exclusive logistics supplier for both the Navy and the Army, providing services like cooking, construction, power generation and fuel transportation. The contract recently won from the Army is for 10 years and has no lid on costs, the only logistical arrangement by the Army without an estimated cost. The government business has been well timed for Halliburton, whose stock price has tumbled almost two-thirds in the last year because of concerns about its asbestos liabilities, sagging profits in its energy business and an investigation by the Securities and Exchange Commission into its accounting practices back when Vice President Dick Cheney ran the company. The government contracts, which the company said Mr. Cheney played no role in helping Halliburton win, either while he led the company or after he left, offer the prospect of a long and steady cash flow that impresses financial analysts. Since the Sept. 11 attacks, Congress has appropriated $30 billion in emergency money to support the campaign against terrorism. About half has gone to the Pentagon, much of it to buy weapons, supplies, and services. Although KBR is probably not the largest recipient of all the government contracts related to terror efforts, few companies have longer or deeper ties to the Pentagon. And no company is better positioned to capitalize on this trend. The value of the contracts to Halliburton is hard to quantify, but the company said government work generated less than 10 percent of its $13 billion in revenue last year. The government business is "very good, a relatively stable source of cash flow," said Alexandra S. Parker, senior vice president of Moody's Investors Service. "We view it positively." By hiring an outside company to handle much of its logistics, the Pentagon may wind up spending more taxpayer money than if it did the work itself. Under the new Army contract, KBR's work in Central Asia, at least for the next year, will cost 10 percent to 20 percent more than if military personnel were used, according to Army contract managers. In Uzbekistan, the Army failed to ascertain, as regulations require, whether its own units, which handled logistics there for the first six months, were available to work when it brought in the contractor, according to Army spokesmen. The costs for KBR's current work in Central Asia could "dramatically escalate" without proper monitoring, but adequate cost control measures are in place, according to Lt. Col. Clay Cole, who oversees the contract. The Army contract is a cost-plus arrangement and shrouded in secrecy. The contractor is reimbursed for its allowable costs and gets a bonus based on performance. In the past, KBR has usually received the maximum performance bonus, according to Pentagon officials. Though modest now, the Army contract could produce hundreds of millions of
Re: [CTRL] PC run amok AGAIN
-Caveat Lector- - Original Message - From: "Tenorlove" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Saturday, July 13, 2002 6:54 PM Subject: Re: [CTRL] PC run amok AGAIN > < girl speaking- which *is* immoral. but your comment above seems to > indicate that the whole week was "pc run amok". > is that right?>> > > Yep. > > ok, well if that is the case why do you say this below? as it seems to be what i suggest- that the point is that her voice was not heard... NOT that the week per se was "pc run amok". > The oversensitivity to, and preoccupation with, feelings are part of > the PC problem, since both stifle debate. The fact that her voice was > silenced is the issue. There are ways to criticize without "hurting > feelings" - if manners were still in vogue, it would be second nature. > http://www.ctrl.org/";>www.ctrl.org DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion & informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html";>Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED] http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/";>ctrl To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] A Look At The Powerful Jewish Lobby In America
Title: Re: [CTRL] A Look At The Powerful Jewish Lobby In America -Caveat Lector- I’m STILL waiting for my check. I’m still waiting to be called to conspire. I WANT MY PIECE OF THE JEWISH CONSPIRACY DOLLAR. Seriously – I do. My poor parents – they came here to a foreign country, speaking almost no English, after surviving an attempted genocide – and worked their asses off to create a new home in a new place, and to raise, provide for, and educate a family. My father started his own businesses, my mother worked 16 hour days until she became head of medical departments. If only they had know they simply could have gone to World Jew HQ and gotten a big assed ol’ check. Their lives could have been SO much easier. BTW does anyone know a phone number JewConsipreCom? Maybe I can sue them for my money and connections. on 7/13/02 2:35 PM, Al Hidell at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -Caveat Lector- Jewish people make up roughly 2% (I've also heard 3%) of the US population, yet numerically they have an extremely disproportionate reperesentation and influence in the legal system, the healthcare system, nass media, entertainment, news, banking and finance, higher education, and politics. Not bad. Admirable, in fact. (To put the 2% number in perspective, in 2000, people aged 85 or more constitutued an estimated 2 percent of the US population. In other words, in a random sampling of Americans, Jews should be about as common as people aged 85 and over.) How did this come to be? To an extent, it is self-perpetuating; if an ethnic group is numerous and influential within a sector of society, a combination of tradition, family expectations, and flat out favoritism will tend to maintain the status quo. Non-whites, non-males, and the poor of any ethnicity have known this all too well. Another factor, one that I and my fellow goyim may not like to hear, is that Jews may simply be as a group more tenacious, clever, intelligent, and creative than non-Jewish people. This is the conclusion that I would probably reach if, say, people 85 and older were so prevalent in the above-named fields and arenas. At any rate, I believe that the disproportionate number of Jewish people in positions of power and influence is not in and of itself sufficient to prove a "conspiracy." The situation would be ominous only to the extent that these people were working for common goals, a "Jewish Agenda" of some kind. Certainly, Jewish PACs are extremely powerful in Washington, and any PAC by definition seeks to influence government and promote a certain agenda. But I am not yet convinced that this extends beyond the political arena. There is no question that bankers, lawyers, entertainment executives et al. pursue certain common goals and agendas. But I believe these are more accurately described as financial, legal, and media industry agendas rather than Jewish agendas. Conversely, I believe that people who criticize the goals and conduct of "the bankers", "Hollywood" etc., should not be smeared with the "anti-Semitic" label. The issue of Jewish power in America is, like the issue of white male power in America, worthy of discussion and debate. Jews are no more and no less worthy of scrutiny than any other segement of society. I think it is simple common sense to assume that groups of Jews conspire to some degree, just as groups of, for example, Freemasons or oil executives conspire. Writing about the latter two is commonplace within the conspiracy community, and even in some mainstream venues. But even a hint of discussion or analysis of the first group is quite rare, even in the realm of so-called alternative media. Look, there is good research and bad research, theories that are plausible and theories that are ludicrous. I try my best to evaluate material along those two lines, regardless of the group that is the subject of the material. And I think freedom of speech is a concept that was meant to protect unpopular and controversial viewpoints, not popular and accepted ones. It rubs me the wrong way to see ANY idea or topic dismissed or censored out of hand, and it seems to me that this is by and large one of those topics. Indeed, as someone who considers himself to be an open-minded supporter of forums for alternative viewpoints, I feel distressed and hypocritical that at first I didn't think this posting was even worthy of discussion, and was even somewhat fearful that I too would be branded with the label of anti-semitism if I expressed myself in this regard. It's ironic, actually, that someonw who regularly criticizes and scrutinizes such baddies as the CIA, Freemasons, Big Oil, etc. would be afraid to address this issue. Speaking for myself only, Al Hidell www.ctrl.org" DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion & informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions
Re: [CTRL] PC run amok AGAIN
-Caveat Lector- >by using the few hours they do have for teaching about diversity, it >takes away from hours that could be better spent teaching about >reading, That's absurd. Teach them about reading by having them read about diversity. Teach critical thinking by having them discuss what they have read. http://www.ctrl.org/";>www.ctrl.org DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion & informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html";>Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED] http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/";>ctrl To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] A Look At The Powerful Jewish Lobby In America
-Caveat Lector- Jewish people make up roughly 2% (I've also heard 3%) of the US population, yet numerically they have an extremely disproportionate reperesentation and influence in the legal system, the healthcare system, nass media, entertainment, news, banking and finance, higher education, and politics. Not bad. Admirable, in fact. (To put the 2% number in perspective, in 2000, people aged 85 or more constitutued an estimated 2 percent of the US population. In other words, in a random sampling of Americans, Jews should be about as common as people aged 85 and over.) How did this come to be? To an extent, it is self-perpetuating; if an ethnic group is numerous and influential within a sector of society, a combination of tradition, family expectations, and flat out favoritism will tend to maintain the status quo. Non-whites, non-males, and the poor of any ethnicity have known this all too well. Another factor, one that I and my fellow goyim may not like to hear, is that Jews may simply be as a group more tenacious, clever, intelligent, and creative than non-Jewish people. This is the conclusion that I would probably reach if, say, people 85 and older were so prevalent in the above-named fields and arenas. At any rate, I believe that the disproportionate number of Jewish people in positions of power and influence is not in and of itself sufficient to prove a "conspiracy." The situation would be ominous only to the extent that these people were working for common goals, a "Jewish Agenda" of some kind. Certainly, Jewish PACs are extremely powerful in Washington, and any PAC by definition seeks to influence government and promote a certain agenda. But I am not yet convinced that this extends beyond the political arena. There is no question that bankers, lawyers, entertainment executives et al. pursue certain common goals and agendas. But I believe these are more accurately described as financial, legal, and media industry agendas rather than Jewish agendas. Conversely, I believe that people who criticize the goals and conduct of "the bankers", "Hollywood" etc., should not be smeared with the "anti-Semitic" label. The issue of Jewish power in America is, like the issue of white male power in America, worthy of discussion and debate. Jews are no more and no less worthy of scrutiny than any other segement of society. I think it is simple common sense to assume that groups of Jews conspire to some degree, just as groups of, for example, Freemasons or oil executives conspire. Writing about the latter two is commonplace within the conspiracy community, and even in some mainstream venues. But even a hint of discussion or analysis of the first group is quite rare, even in the realm of so-called alternative media. Look, there is good research and bad research, theories that are plausible and theories that are ludicrous. I try my best to evaluate material along those two lines, regardless of the group that is the subject of the material. And I think freedom of speech is a concept that was meant to protect unpopular and controversial viewpoints, not popular and accepted ones. It rubs me the wrong way to see ANY idea or topic dismissed or censored out of hand, and it seems to me that this is by and large one of those topics. Indeed, as someone who considers himself to be an open-minded supporter of forums for alternative viewpoints, I feel distressed and hypocritical that at first I didn't think this posting was even worthy of discussion, and was even somewhat fearful that I too would be branded with the label of anti-semitism if I expressed myself in this regard. It's ironic, actually, that someonw who regularly criticizes and scrutinizes such baddies as the CIA, Freemasons, Big Oil, etc. would be afraid to address this issue. Speaking for myself only, Al Hidell www.ctrl.org DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion & informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED] http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ ctrl To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] PC run amok AGAIN
-Caveat Lector- Answering several posts in one shot, quotes in << >>, no attribution, you know what you said, if you can't remember, go to the archives. <> Yep. <> No, I DON'T have vouchers. This is New Jersey. Only kids that live in "failing districts" (read: predominantly black/Hispanic; race is still an issue in this state, but that's a whole 'nuther thread) - mainly Newark, Elizabeth, Linden, etc. can get vouchers, and then they still have to get accepted into a private school (for them, homeschooling probably isn't an option - it does take a considerable amount of parent participation, and the parent should have basic literacy), and the private schools have a bad case of tokenism in admissions, and have gotten into trouble with the feds over this. Plus there isn't the space - most of the slots in private schools are taken up by children of public school teachers. < I don't receive any benefits from any tax monies spent; I don't use the public school system. How do I benefit from your tax dollars? I think your - and everyone's school tax dollars should be refunded. If we weren't wasting all that money on a system that isn't doing the job it should be, everyone could afford a first-class education. And I am willing to help other people's children learn: since we don't keep traditional school hours, the neighbor's kids have come to visit while we were doing lessons; we always invited them to join us; and they ended up learning something too. <> Isn't it great that you live in a country where you have the freedom to do so? :-D <> The oversensitivity to, and preoccupation with, feelings are part of the PC problem, since both stifle debate. The fact that her voice was silenced is the issue. There are ways to criticize without "hurting feelings" - if manners were still in vogue, it would be second nature. <> And the PC police practice the same kind of intolerance they rail against in traditionalists. <> Except that in Animal Farm, the animals were more polite than the PC police. <> Yes, but "diversity education" teaches people to hate based on religion (Jewish/Christian), race (white), belief system (Judea-Christian traditional), or who they like to (husband/wife). <> Including intolerance against Jews and Christians, and the evil perpetuated against the church and by non-Judeo-Christian religions (e.g. enslavement of Christians in Muslim countries, the Taliban's war on women, the desecration of temples in India by various sects, etc.). <> And then they should go home and discuss these viewpoints with their parents. It might be the most meaningful talk some of these children have with their parents. <> That's why he overturned the tables of the moneychangers in the Temple on Palm Sunday & called the Pharisees and Sadducess vipers and hypocrites. <> Did he? Where? Contrary to the belief of certain Christian sects, Jesus did NOT cancel the Jewish Scriptures (aka Old Testament); see Matthew 5:24. It was PAUL, formerly Saul of Tarsus, who decided to throw out the OT in the hopes of converting pagan Gentiles who refused to convert if they had to undergo circumcision. __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Autos - Get free new car price quotes http://autos.yahoo.com http://www.ctrl.org/";>www.ctrl.org DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion & informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html";>Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED] http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/";>ctrl To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] domestic violence, clergy - mahony, bigamy, terrorism, files
-Caveat Lector- this may be heavy for survivors from backlash_ology Domestic violence: Identifying the deadly silence. Kessmann JR Tex Dent J 2000 Oct;117(10):42-7 "affects 3 to 4 million individuals every year in this country alone (6, 7, 14). Millions more are affected due to the children and family who witness the abuse. Each year 3.3 million children witness domestic partner abuse and 50 to 70 percent of the perpetrators also abuse their children (7, 1). Domestic violence is a leading cause of serious injury to women, killing as many as 4,000 women each year (14, 2). Twenty-five percent of the murders in this country are related to domestic violence (14). Domestic violence represents the largest segment of unreported crime in the United States (2)." From: University of Texas Southwestern Medical Center at Dallas, USA. Tough Talk - D.A. Steve Cooley says he'll take his investigation of Cardinal Mahony's pedo-priests "wherever it leads." by Ron Russell "...Cooley tells New Times that his office intends to go beyond merely prosecuting a few priests accused of abusing children to pursue criminal misconduct within the nation's largest Roman Catholic Archdiocese "wherever it leads." Asked if that means Mahony himself may conceivably become the target of a criminal probe, the district attorney pointedly replies, "No one is above the law." http://www.newtimesla.com/issues/2002-07-11/faultlines.html/1/index.html Domestic violence: Articles, fact sheets, and other informative resources http://www.mincava.umn.edu/vaw.asp#A101090100 Man guilty of bigamy, molestation, spouse abuse By Gwendolyn Crump -- Bee Staff Writer 7/11/02 "A 48-year-old man was convicted Wednesday in Sacramento Superior Court of bigamy, spousal abuse and molesting a daughter of one of three women he was living withGonzalez testified he believed in the former Mormon tenet of plural marriages but denied the rapes and molestationThe prosecution said that Gonzalez told people he was a bishop with the Mormon Church and was later excommunicated when the church learned of his multiple wives, but that was never substantiated In Utah last summer, Tom Green, a man with five wives and 30 children, was sentenced to five years in prison in Utah's biggest polygamy case in nearly half a century. Green was convicted last month of child rape for impregnating one of his wives-to-be when she was 13 in the mid-1980s. http://www.sacbee.com/ http://www.washingtontimes.com/world/20020627-595079.htm June 27, 2002 Judge strikes law citing 'terrorist' groups By Ben Barber A U.S. law authorizing the State Department to designate groups as "terrorist" and which allows those who support them to be prosecuted has been declared unconstitutional by a federal judge, throwing U.S. anti-terrorism strategies into disarray http://www.freedomforum.org/templates/document.asp?documentID=16514 Panel: People listed in 'spy files' should be allowed to review reports By The Associated Press 07.06.02 DENVER â A panel of three former judges is recommending that people included in the Denver Police Department's "spy files" should have 60 days to see what those reports say about them, The Denver Post reported this week. Police have confirmed that the department's intelligence bureau has more than 3,400 surveillance files, including some on protesters who were not known to have been involved in illegal activity. http://www.ctrl.org/";>www.ctrl.org DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion & informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html";>Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED] http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/";>ctrl To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] PC run amok AGAIN
-Caveat Lector- Tolerance and diversity are what America is all about. Teaching people not to hate others based solely on religion, race, belief system, or who they like to fuck is not promoting a homosexual agenda, it is diffusing violence and hatred. Personally I think the girl should be allowed to speak. I also think someone ought to be given "equal time" to talk about why religious intolerance is evil, and to discuss the religious agenda in our schools, and to discuss all the evil perpetrated in the name of the church. Then student should organize into discussion groups and talk about these viewpoints, and learn to think for themselves. Frankly - A religion based on the teachings of Jesus should be ALL about tolerance and acceptance. Anything less is doing the master's words a grave disservice. (and don't pull out Leviticus - Once Jesus said eating pork was OK - Leviticus stopped being an irrefutable source) on 7/13/02 12:37 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > -Caveat Lector- > > The schools are teaching a morality. It may be politically correct, > but it is definitely not a healthy one. It sponsors a diversity that isn't > really isn't diverse, but straightjackets thinking and then sends it on > its way. > > There are definitely not enough hours in the day to teach the > complexity of ALL belief systems in a neutral way, and ALL belief > systems teach that their way is right and others are wrong. The > schools have chosen a belief system, call it Diversity, and expect > the students to follow it at least during the hours they are in school, > all with taxpayer dollars. > > It's a little like Animal Farm where all animals are equal but some > animals are more equal than others. Diversity is taught as being > "more equal" than others. > >> -Caveat Lector- >> >> How would this student feel about a student standing up and >> criticizing Catholicism, the catholic agenda, and a religious >> curriculum? >> >> >> on 7/13/02 7:45 AM, Tenorlove at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: >> >>> -Caveat Lector- >>> >>> What really galls me about this whole thing is that the school spent >>> a whole week on this PC cr*p when they could have much better spent >>> the time on things like reading, writing, match, science, geography >>> -- you know, those hopelessly outdated ACADEMIC subjects. The kids >>> got the shaft. >>> >>> Tenorlove >>> >>> http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=28258 >>> >>> WJPBR Email News List [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>> Peace at any cost is a prelude to war! >>> >>> Catholic student sues school district >>> Says officials violated rights by muzzling criticism of >>> homosexuality Posted: July 12, 2002 1:00 a.m. Eastern >>> >>> By Jon Dougherty >>> A Michigan-based Christian law center has filed suit in U.S. >>> district court against the Ann Arbor Public School District on >>> behalf of a Catholic student who claims she was prevented by school >>> officials from expressing criticism of homosexual curricula. Lawyers >>> with the Thomas More Law Center say Betsy Hansen, 18, who graduated >>> in June from Pioneer High School in Ann Arbor with "the highest >>> honors," was prohibited by school officials from giving a speech >>> disparaging homosexual behavior. In March, the school sponsored an >>> event called "2002 Diversity Week," the center said, which featured >>> various events including oratory at a school assembly. Also featured >>> throughout the week were panel discussions on a range of issues >>> including race, religion, and one topic entitled, "Homosexuality and >>> Religion." In her suit, Hansen claims school officials forced her to >>> submit her speech for review, then removed "all references critical >>> of homosexual activity," said Robert Muise, a spokesman for the >>> center. During the weeklong event, Muise continued, >>> >>> "certain school officials also jointly agreed to prevent Betsy from >>> expressing her Roman Catholic view on homosexuality at the >>> 'Homosexuality and Religion' panel." He said school officials >>> claimed that Hansen's view toward homosexuality was "a 'negative' >>> message and would 'water down' the 'positive' religious message that >>> they wanted to convey" ??" namely, "that homosexual behavior and >>> religion are compatible, and that homosexual behavior is not immoral >>> or sinful." The suit alleges that the school violated Hansen's >>> constitutional rights to freedom of speech, free expression of >>> religion and equal protection under the law, Muise said. Also, he >>> said, the school >>> >>> allegedly violated the Establishment Clause of the First Amendment >>> "by impermissibly promoting and endorsing the religious belief that >>> homosexual activity is compatible with religion. ???" Muise said the >>> lawsuit was filed Wednesday in U.S. district court for the Eastern >>> District of Michigan. "[Betsy] is a super good kid," he told >>> WorldNetDaily. "She is no slouch. She got a full scholarship to the >>> Univer
Re: [CTRL] PC run amok AGAIN
-Caveat Lector- The schools are teaching a morality. It may be politically correct, but it is definitely not a healthy one. It sponsors a diversity that isn't really isn't diverse, but straightjackets thinking and then sends it on its way. There are definitely not enough hours in the day to teach the complexity of ALL belief systems in a neutral way, and ALL belief systems teach that their way is right and others are wrong. The schools have chosen a belief system, call it Diversity, and expect the students to follow it at least during the hours they are in school, all with taxpayer dollars. It's a little like Animal Farm where all animals are equal but some animals are more equal than others. Diversity is taught as being "more equal" than others. > -Caveat Lector- > > How would this student feel about a student standing up and > criticizing Catholicism, the catholic agenda, and a religious > curriculum? > > > on 7/13/02 7:45 AM, Tenorlove at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > -Caveat Lector- > > > > What really galls me about this whole thing is that the school spent > > a whole week on this PC cr*p when they could have much better spent > > the time on things like reading, writing, match, science, geography > > -- you know, those hopelessly outdated ACADEMIC subjects. The kids > > got the shaft. > > > > Tenorlove > > > > http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=28258 > > > > WJPBR Email News List [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Peace at any cost is a prelude to war! > > > > Catholic student sues school district > > Says officials violated rights by muzzling criticism of > > homosexuality Posted: July 12, 2002 1:00 a.m. Eastern > > > > By Jon Dougherty > > A Michigan-based Christian law center has filed suit in U.S. > > district court against the Ann Arbor Public School District on > > behalf of a Catholic student who claims she was prevented by school > > officials from expressing criticism of homosexual curricula. Lawyers > > with the Thomas More Law Center say Betsy Hansen, 18, who graduated > > in June from Pioneer High School in Ann Arbor with "the highest > > honors," was prohibited by school officials from giving a speech > > disparaging homosexual behavior. In March, the school sponsored an > > event called "2002 Diversity Week," the center said, which featured > > various events including oratory at a school assembly. Also featured > > throughout the week were panel discussions on a range of issues > > including race, religion, and one topic entitled, "Homosexuality and > > Religion." In her suit, Hansen claims school officials forced her to > > submit her speech for review, then removed "all references critical > > of homosexual activity," said Robert Muise, a spokesman for the > > center. During the weeklong event, Muise continued, > > > > "certain school officials also jointly agreed to prevent Betsy from > > expressing her Roman Catholic view on homosexuality at the > > 'Homosexuality and Religion' panel." He said school officials > > claimed that Hansen's view toward homosexuality was "a 'negative' > > message and would 'water down' the 'positive' religious message that > > they wanted to convey" ??" namely, "that homosexual behavior and > > religion are compatible, and that homosexual behavior is not immoral > > or sinful." The suit alleges that the school violated Hansen's > > constitutional rights to freedom of speech, free expression of > > religion and equal protection under the law, Muise said. Also, he > > said, the school > > > > allegedly violated the Establishment Clause of the First Amendment > > "by impermissibly promoting and endorsing the religious belief that > > homosexual activity is compatible with religion. ???" Muise said the > > lawsuit was filed Wednesday in U.S. district court for the Eastern > > District of Michigan. "[Betsy] is a super good kid," he told > > WorldNetDaily. "She is no slouch. She got a full scholarship to the > > University of Florida. She's not the type of kid who bucks > > authority." He said Betsy's mother, Connie Hansen, is also suing > > under her rights as a parent because she has two other children ??" > > a daughter and a son ??" who will be attending Pioneer High School > > next year as a freshman and junior, respectively. "The facts alleged > > in the complaint clearly show that school officials ??? are hostile > > to Betsy's Roman Catholic belief that homosexual activity is immoral > > and sinful," said Richard Thompson, chief counsel at the center. "In > > their zeal to promote the homosexual agenda during this so-called > > 'Diversity Week,' school officials gave a powerful lesson of > > intolerance and bigotry toward traditional Christian beliefs. "This > > is nothing short of hypocrisy," Thompson added. "Parents of Pioneer > > High School students need to know what is being disguised as > > education in the Ann Arbor Public School system." Ann Arbor school > > > > officials referred inquiries regarding the case to the district
Re: [CTRL] PC run amok AGAIN
-Caveat Lector- How would this student feel about a student standing up and criticizing Catholicism, the catholic agenda, and a religious curriculum? on 7/13/02 7:45 AM, Tenorlove at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > -Caveat Lector- > > What really galls me about this whole thing is that the school spent a > whole week on this PC cr*p when they could have much better spent the > time on things like reading, writing, match, science, geography -- you > know, those hopelessly outdated ACADEMIC subjects. The kids got the > shaft. > > Tenorlove > > http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=28258 > > WJPBR Email News List [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Peace at any cost is a prelude to war! > > Catholic student sues school district > Says officials violated rights by muzzling criticism of homosexuality > Posted: July 12, 2002 > 1:00 a.m. Eastern > > By Jon Dougherty > A Michigan-based Christian law center has filed suit in U.S. district > court > against the Ann Arbor Public School District on behalf of a Catholic > student > who claims she was prevented by school officials from expressing > criticism of > homosexual curricula. Lawyers with the Thomas More Law Center say > Betsy > Hansen, 18, who graduated in June from Pioneer High School in Ann > Arbor with > "the highest honors," was prohibited by school officials from giving > a speech > disparaging homosexual behavior. In March, the school sponsored an > event > called "2002 Diversity Week," the center said, which featured various > events > including oratory at a school assembly. Also featured throughout the > week > were panel discussions on a range of issues including race, religion, > and one > topic entitled, "Homosexuality and Religion." In her suit, Hansen > claims > school officials forced her to submit her speech for review, then > removed > "all references critical of homosexual activity," said Robert Muise, > a > spokesman for the center. During the weeklong event, Muise continued, > > "certain school officials also jointly agreed to prevent Betsy from > expressing her Roman Catholic view on homosexuality at the > 'Homosexuality and > Religion' panel." He said school officials claimed that Hansen's view > toward > homosexuality was "a 'negative' message and would 'water down' the > 'positive' > religious message that they wanted to convey" ??" namely, "that > homosexual > behavior and religion are compatible, and that homosexual behavior is > not > immoral or sinful." The suit alleges that the school violated > Hansen's > constitutional rights to freedom of speech, free expression of > religion and > equal protection under the law, Muise said. Also, he said, the school > > allegedly violated the Establishment Clause of the First Amendment > "by > impermissibly promoting and endorsing the religious belief that > homosexual > activity is compatible with religion. ???" Muise said the lawsuit was > filed > Wednesday in U.S. district court for the Eastern District of > Michigan. > "[Betsy] is a super good kid," he told WorldNetDaily. "She is no > slouch. She > got a full scholarship to the University of Florida. She's not the > type of > kid who bucks authority." He said Betsy's mother, Connie Hansen, is > also > suing under her rights as a parent because she has two other children > ??" a > daughter and a son ??" who will be attending Pioneer High School next > year as a > freshman and junior, respectively. "The facts alleged in the > complaint > clearly show that school officials ??? are hostile to Betsy's Roman > Catholic > belief that homosexual activity is immoral and sinful," said Richard > Thompson, chief counsel at the center. "In their zeal to promote the > homosexual agenda during this so-called 'Diversity Week,' school > officials > gave a powerful lesson of intolerance and bigotry toward traditional > Christian beliefs. "This is nothing short of hypocrisy," Thompson > added. > "Parents of Pioneer High School students need to know what is being > disguised > as education in the Ann Arbor Public School system." Ann Arbor school > > officials referred inquiries regarding the case to the district's > lawyer, > Robert Boonin, who said he wasn't familiar with the specific > allegations made > in the suit because school officials had not yet been served. Boonin > said he > was "generally familiar with Ms. Hansen's desire to be a part of [a] > panel > discussion, but for a number of reasons I'm aware that the school > district > did not include her on the panel." He said one reason was because > Hansen had > requested that school officials change the date of the debate. "I > believe Ms. > Hansen indicated an interest in participating after that deadline," > Boonin > said. "Even given that, the district did consider her request but > [the > school] decided it was not appropriate to change the composition of > the panel > or the topic the panel was discussing," he said. "There were other > panels > going on, and she had access to them. She wished t
Re: [CTRL] Dispute over war crimes court settled
-Caveat Lector- If Americans commit war crimes They should be punished Its not hard to understand , really. on 7/13/02 2:46 AM, c. at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > -Caveat Lector- > >> on one hand- what an arrogant bastard america is (again). on the other at > least it might keep american soldiers where they belong- america. > > > Saturday, 13 July, 2002, 03:20 GMT 04:20 UK > Dispute over war crimes court settled > > > The US was concerned its soldiers may be prosecuted > > The United Nations Security Council has voted unanimously to exempt US > peacekeepers from prosecution by the new war crimes court for a year - > ending a bitter row that threatened peacekeeping operations. > The Bush adminstration, which considers the court an affront to US > sovereignty, had said it would veto such missions wherever it believed > American troops might be prosecuted. > > > We will never permit Americans to be jailed > > John Negroponte > US ambassador > But after weeks of wrangling and amid howls of protests against the US > stance, Washington backed away from seeking permanent immunity for its > troops, so enabling the UN to adopt the compromise resolution. > The council then renewed immediately renewed the UN's peacekeeping mandate > in Bosnia, which Washington had threatened to block. > Assurance > But while the future of UN peacekeeping and the newly established > International Criminal Court (ICC) appear to have been saved, neither the UN > nor the court have emerged unscathed from what has been a marathon > diplomatic battle, says the BBC's Greg Barrow in New York. > > Days of intense negotiation ended in compromise > > The resolution calls for a 12-month exemption in investigating or > prosecuting peacekeepers who are from countries that do not support the ICC. > The Security Council will have to renew this immunity on an annual basis > which gives Council members an option to take away this added protection. > For Washington, it falls short of the blanket immunity that it had first > sought against what it fears could be frivolous or politically motivated > prosecutions of US troops. > But the deal does offer a practical way out of a damaging dispute with most > other UN member states. > 'Sad day' > The US ambassador to the UN, John Negroponte, said the resolution offered a > degree of protection but warned that the US Government would never permit > the detention of any American by the court. > "We cannot accept a structure that may transform the political criticism of > America's world role into the basis for criminal trials of Americans who > have put their lives on the line for freedom," he said. > But some of the strongest supporters of the ICC court say that while the new > resolution will have little practical effect on the court's work, it has set > the bad precedent of Security Council interference in an internationally > agreed treaty. > "We think this is a sad day for the United Nations," said Canada's > ambassador Paul Heinbecker. "We don't think it's in the mandate of the > Security Council to intepret treaties that are negotiated somewhere else." > The ICC is the first permanent court to try war crimes, crimes against > humanity and genocide. It is expected to start work in The Hague in about a > year. > In terms of UN business, the settlement of the dispute allowed Council > members to extend the mandate of a UN police training mission in Bosnia, and > also a smaller mission in the Croatian enclave of Prevlaka. > They were in danger of being terminated on Monday by a US veto if the court > dispute was not settled. > > http://www.ctrl.org/";>www.ctrl.org > DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER > == > CTRL is a discussion & informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic > screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are > sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- > directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with > major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. > That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and > always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no > credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. > > Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. > > Archives Available at: > http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html > http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html";>Archives of > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ > http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/";>ctrl > > To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: > SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: > SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Om -- -- Heathen, n. A benighted creature who has the folly to worship something that he can s
Re: [CTRL] PC run amok AGAIN
-Caveat Lector- - Original Message - From: "Tenorlove" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > --- Joshua Tinnin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > What really galls me about this crap is that people get so worked up > > over > > the fact that public schools are not built and designed to teach > > their own > > facet of morality. > > Another thing that really galls me is the assumption that I have no > right to complain about how my tax dollars are spent. You got vouchers, and you can homeschool. I agree with you in principle, but, good lord, surely there are options. Geedubya has made it so. > > Let's get the whole pledge thing out of the schools, eh? > > Let's get the government out of the "ed biz" completely, eh? OK, fine. But I suggest first that you talk to my family, which has been involved in the public school system for more than 50 years. > And, also get > > yourself > > a goddamn voucher if you feel so strongly about it, or homeschool yer > > kid, > > I do homeschool my kids (WITHOUT VOUCHERS, one has to live in Newark to > get them), for 2 major reasons: > > 1. The schools around here are so dumbed down that 40% (last I saw in > the Star Ledger) can't pass the basic skills test to graduate). > > 2. Anybody with a traditional (Judeo-Christian) viewpoint is suppressed > and denigrated; however, witchcraft, goddess worship, Islam, Hinduism, > Buddhism, etc. are heartily welcomed. I agree that this is not fair. But it also may have to do with the fact that the public schools here taught Judeo-Christian values, in more than just values, as rote until the '60s. Maybe you think this is the "right way." I do not. Also, I hear very few instances, if ever, where children are taught to - believe - in these mythologies. They are rather taught about them. > > and stop bitching that the "system" is wrong, when the "system" > > purportedly > > supports something to which you don't agree. > > As long as my tax dollars go to support that system, I'm going to > bitch, long and loud. Plug your ears if you don't like it. Plug your ears if you don't like hearing children not praying to your God, paid by MY tax dollars. > If you want yer kid to > > say a > > prayer every morning to a flag or a goat head, or if you want to > > teach kids > > that it's wrong for adults to have sex in a certain way because > > otherwise > > you ain't "gwine up to hebbin," fine! Just don't expect your > > irrational > > mythology to be accepted by the rest of the world, > > Why should I have YOUR irrational mythology forced on MY children? Teaching *about* is far different than teaching and pledging *to.* > who can think for > > themselves, thank you very much, and who DO NOT want YOU to raise OUR > > children. > > Does thinking for themselves include parroting whatever Pokemon or the > Power Puff Girls say? If that's the case, I don't you raising MY > children either, thank you very much. I do not, and neither does anyone else, have anything to do with your television watching habits. > > I mean, let's be fair, OK? > > Yes, let's be fair OK? Refund my school taxes. Aren't my taxes paid to school your children enough? - jt - jt http://www.ctrl.org/";>www.ctrl.org DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion & informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html";>Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED] http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/";>ctrl To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] PC run amok AGAIN
-Caveat Lector- - Original Message - From: "Tenorlove" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Saturday, July 13, 2002 12:45 PM Subject: [CTRL] PC run amok AGAIN > -Caveat Lector- > > What really galls me about this whole thing is that the school spent a > whole week on this PC cr*p when they could have much better spent the > time on things like reading, writing, match, science, geography -- you > know, those hopelessly outdated ACADEMIC subjects. The kids got the > shaft. don't you think that if all views are allowed to be aired, including the anti-gay stuff, that it is a good thing to have an event like that happening? i was reading the artcile and deciding that the real sickening politically correct issue is the barring of the girl speaking- which *is* immoral. but your comment above seems to indicate that the whole week was "pc run amok". is that right? http://www.ctrl.org/";>www.ctrl.org DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion & informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html";>Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED] http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/";>ctrl To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] PC run amok AGAIN
-Caveat Lector- --- Joshua Tinnin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > What really galls me about this crap is that people get so worked up > over > the fact that public schools are not built and designed to teach > their own > facet of morality. Another thing that really galls me is the assumption that I have no right to complain about how my tax dollars are spent. > Let's get the whole pledge thing out of the schools, eh? Let's get the government out of the "ed biz" completely, eh? And let's > get > subjectivity out of it altogether while we're at it. That includes the anti-Judeo-Christian subjectivity as well. Can you live with that? And, also get > yourself > a goddamn voucher if you feel so strongly about it, or homeschool yer > kid, I do homeschool my kids (WITHOUT VOUCHERS, one has to live in Newark to get them), for 2 major reasons: 1. The schools around here are so dumbed down that 40% (last I saw in the Star Ledger) can't pass the basic skills test to graduate). 2. Anybody with a traditional (Judeo-Christian) viewpoint is suppressed and denigrated; however, witchcraft, goddess worship, Islam, Hinduism, Buddhism, etc. are heartily welcomed. > and stop bitching that the "system" is wrong, when the "system" > purportedly > supports something to which you don't agree. As long as my tax dollars go to support that system, I'm going to bitch, long and loud. Plug your ears if you don't like it. If you want yer kid to > say a > prayer every morning to a flag or a goat head, or if you want to > teach kids > that it's wrong for adults to have sex in a certain way because > otherwise > you ain't "gwine up to hebbin," fine! Just don't expect your > irrational > mythology to be accepted by the rest of the world, Why should I have YOUR irrational mythology forced on MY children? who can think for > themselves, thank you very much, and who DO NOT want YOU to raise OUR > children. Does thinking for themselves include parroting whatever Pokemon or the Power Puff Girls say? If that's the case, I don't you raising MY children either, thank you very much. > I mean, let's be fair, OK? Yes, let's be fair OK? Refund my school taxes. Tenorlove __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Autos - Get free new car price quotes http://autos.yahoo.com http://www.ctrl.org/";>www.ctrl.org DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion & informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html";>Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED] http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/";>ctrl To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] NYTimes.com Article: Corning by the Book: Utopian or Orwellian?
-Caveat Lector- This article from NYTimes.com has been sent to you by [EMAIL PROTECTED] Corning by the Book: Utopian or Orwellian? July 12, 2002 By LISA W. FODERARO CORNING, N.Y. - People in other cities may all be reading the same book, but here they are living the same life. And what a charmed life it is: free from nagging, threatening, blaming, criticizing, complaining, bribing - and full of loving, encouraging, accepting and negotiating. At least that's the theory, "choice theory" to be exact: the framework for a happier existence as outlined by William Glasser, a psychiatrist in California and author of some 20 books whose beliefs about human nature have improbably taken root here. Five years ago, Dr. Glasser spoke to a group of teachers in Corning and offered the idea of creating a "quality community" based on his ideas. (There are already nine Glasser "quality schools" around the country, from Charlottesville, Va., to Boulder, Colo.) Corning chose, and in a social experiment that might be utopian or Orwellian, depending on your point of view, Dr. Glasser's theories have seeped into many corners of this city of 12,000, tucked into a corner of the Finger Lakes region. It's not as if smiling people were skipping down the street in an environment out of "The Truman Show." But supporters of the Choice Community Project, as it is called, say there are signs that Corning - person by person, household by household - is gradually becoming a kinder, gentler place. "In essence, we teach people the very necessary skills of how to get along better with the people who matter the most, which is something that is not taught in households across America," said Mary Hayes-O'Brien, the project's director. "We're trying to get all the village members talking the same language." In a nutshell, choice theory says that unsatisfying relationships are the source of almost all crime, addiction, mental illness, family breakdown and school failure. For progress in human relationships, Dr. Glasser says, people need to give up trying to control others and accept that the one thing they can control is their own behavior. So a manager who routinely gives orders might get better results by first asking workers what they think. That may sound painfully obvious, but putting it into practice is another matter. And Dr. Glasser's followers say choice theory offers a way to focus people's attention on doing just that. The superintendent of the Corning-Painted Post public schools, Donald B. Trombley - who called Corning a petri dish for Dr. Glasser's theories - said, "When I think about relationships, I ask myself, "Am I bringing you closer to me or am I pushing you away?' " Dr. Glasser estimates that about 1,000 people in Corning have read his book, "Choice Theory: A New Psychology of Personal Freedom" (Harper Perennial, 1998). So far, about a quarter of the teachers in the district have been trained in choice theory, and all freshmen in one of the city's two high schools learn about it in their "high school success" class. The Corning Senior Center is offering the theory in a support group for women. The Steuben County jail is holding workshops in choice theory for its inmates. The pastor of a Baptist church asks all couples in pre-marriage counseling to read the first five chapters of another Glasser book, "Getting Together and Staying Together." And, in nearby Addison, a parenting workshop lays out the "deadly habits" of criticizing and blaming as well as the "caring habits" of encouraging, negotiating and accepting. Debbie Finamore-Flint, an assistant principal in the Addison Central School District, said she and her husband had benefited from a "peaceful parenting" class that provided a model, based on choice theory, for raising their 3-year-old daughter, Catherine. "The workshops have changed even the language in our home," Mrs. Finamore-Flint said. "Whereas before we might have said, `That was a dumb thing, you know better than that,' we now say, `What are you going to do to make it better?' or `What could you have done to prevent that?' " Then there is Pat Carlineo, 38, who said his life was turned around by the choice-theory workshops he attended in the county jail, where he was sentenced for driving while intoxicated when he was on probation for torching a motorboat he had owned with a former girlfriend. "I realized I was an adult and thought, `Geez, I've got children and when am I going to get a grip on life and set an example,' " said Mr. Carlineo, a guitarist who has formed two bands since leaving jail. "I accept that my life isn't a Disney film," he said, "there are going to be times when I slip up. But I think I have the tools now to deal with everyday pressure." Still, some residents find the whole enterprise a bit suspect, if not silly. Megan O'Neil-Haight, owner of a preschool program in Corning, detects a paradox in the school district's taking on choice theory. A plan for the district calls fo
Re: [CTRL] PC run amok AGAIN
-Caveat Lector- - Original Message - From: "Tenorlove" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > What really galls me about this whole thing is that the school spent a > whole week on this PC cr*p when they could have much better spent the > time on things like reading, writing, match, science, geography -- you > know, those hopelessly outdated ACADEMIC subjects. The kids got the > shaft. What really galls me about this crap is that people get so worked up over the fact that public schools are not built and designed to teach their own facet of morality. Let's get the whole pledge thing out of the schools, eh? And let's get subjectivity out of it altogether while we're at it. And, also get yourself a goddamn voucher if you feel so strongly about it, or homeschool yer kid, and stop bitching that the "system" is wrong, when the "system" purportedly supports something to which you don't agree. If you want yer kid to say a prayer every morning to a flag or a goat head, or if you want to teach kids that it's wrong for adults to have sex in a certain way because otherwise you ain't "gwine up to hebbin," fine! Just don't expect your irrational mythology to be accepted by the rest of the world, who can think for themselves, thank you very much, and who DO NOT want YOU to raise OUR children. I mean, let's be fair, OK? - jt http://www.ctrl.org/";>www.ctrl.org DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion & informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html";>Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED] http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/";>ctrl To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] PC run amok AGAIN
-Caveat Lector- What really galls me about this whole thing is that the school spent a whole week on this PC cr*p when they could have much better spent the time on things like reading, writing, match, science, geography -- you know, those hopelessly outdated ACADEMIC subjects. The kids got the shaft. Tenorlove http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=28258 WJPBR Email News List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Peace at any cost is a prelude to war! Catholic student sues school district Says officials violated rights by muzzling criticism of homosexuality Posted: July 12, 2002 1:00 a.m. Eastern By Jon Dougherty A Michigan-based Christian law center has filed suit in U.S. district court against the Ann Arbor Public School District on behalf of a Catholic student who claims she was prevented by school officials from expressing criticism of homosexual curricula. Lawyers with the Thomas More Law Center say Betsy Hansen, 18, who graduated in June from Pioneer High School in Ann Arbor with "the highest honors," was prohibited by school officials from giving a speech disparaging homosexual behavior. In March, the school sponsored an event called "2002 Diversity Week," the center said, which featured various events including oratory at a school assembly. Also featured throughout the week were panel discussions on a range of issues including race, religion, and one topic entitled, "Homosexuality and Religion." In her suit, Hansen claims school officials forced her to submit her speech for review, then removed "all references critical of homosexual activity," said Robert Muise, a spokesman for the center. During the weeklong event, Muise continued, "certain school officials also jointly agreed to prevent Betsy from expressing her Roman Catholic view on homosexuality at the 'Homosexuality and Religion' panel." He said school officials claimed that Hansen's view toward homosexuality was "a 'negative' message and would 'water down' the 'positive' religious message that they wanted to convey" â" namely, "that homosexual behavior and religion are compatible, and that homosexual behavior is not immoral or sinful." The suit alleges that the school violated Hansen's constitutional rights to freedom of speech, free expression of religion and equal protection under the law, Muise said. Also, he said, the school allegedly violated the Establishment Clause of the First Amendment "by impermissibly promoting and endorsing the religious belief that homosexual activity is compatible with religion. â¦" Muise said the lawsuit was filed Wednesday in U.S. district court for the Eastern District of Michigan. "[Betsy] is a super good kid," he told WorldNetDaily. "She is no slouch. She got a full scholarship to the University of Florida. She's not the type of kid who bucks authority." He said Betsy's mother, Connie Hansen, is also suing under her rights as a parent because she has two other children â" a daughter and a son â" who will be attending Pioneer High School next year as a freshman and junior, respectively. "The facts alleged in the complaint clearly show that school officials ⦠are hostile to Betsy's Roman Catholic belief that homosexual activity is immoral and sinful," said Richard Thompson, chief counsel at the center. "In their zeal to promote the homosexual agenda during this so-called 'Diversity Week,' school officials gave a powerful lesson of intolerance and bigotry toward traditional Christian beliefs. "This is nothing short of hypocrisy," Thompson added. "Parents of Pioneer High School students need to know what is being disguised as education in the Ann Arbor Public School system." Ann Arbor school officials referred inquiries regarding the case to the district's lawyer, Robert Boonin, who said he wasn't familiar with the specific allegations made in the suit because school officials had not yet been served. Boonin said he was "generally familiar with Ms. Hansen's desire to be a part of [a] panel discussion, but for a number of reasons I'm aware that the school district did not include her on the panel." He said one reason was because Hansen had requested that school officials change the date of the debate. "I believe Ms. Hansen indicated an interest in participating after that deadline," Boonin said. "Even given that, the district did consider her request but [the school] decided it was not appropriate to change the composition of the panel or the topic the panel was discussing," he said. "There were other panels going on, and she had access to them. She wished to basically change the lesson plan," but officials decided "the lesson plan should go forward." Muise said regardless of the assortment of issues or number of panels, the subject of homosexuality was still inappropriate for the school setting. "At the end of the day, this should make people stop for a minute and ask, 'Why is this stuff even in the public schools?'" he said. "They should be teaching our kids reading, writing and arithmetic."
[CTRL] Alert as hackers meet
-Caveat Lector- Saturday, 13 July, 2002, 01:55 GMT 02:55 UK Alert as hackers meet Beware giving away sensitive information As computer hackers attend a convention in New York, major organisations are fearing that attempts might be made to disrupt their computers in a show of hacking strength. The telephone phone company AT&T has written to all its employees warning them to be on their guard. Spoof stories were put on the paper's site In the latest high-profile hacking in the US, a newspaper had its website altered to include fake news items. The hackers conference is an annual event and usually includes an attack on a high-profile computer system. AT & T believes this year it may be targeted to demonstrate how company employees can be tricked into revealing sensitive information that can help hackers gain access to computer systems. "Remember, you do not want to be the lucky guest of honour on a telephone call from the hacker conference this weekend with thousands of hackers listening to you and attempting to scam AT&T out of proprietary information," the company warned in an email to staff. "Please be on guard." Pranks AT&T's warning comes as a criminal investigation has started into the successful penetration of the computers at the newspaper USA Today. Its website, which has nine million viewers a month, was redesigned to include a number of spoof news stories, including an Iraqi missile attack on Israel and the Vatican proclaiming that the Bible was a hoax. But readers could easily determine that the stories were not legitimate because they were poorly written, USA Today spokesman Steven Anderson said. "it was very prankish, very immature," he said. http://www.ctrl.org/";>www.ctrl.org DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion & informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html";>Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED] http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/";>ctrl To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Jury trials face major overhaul
-Caveat Lector- Saturday, 13 July, 2002, 07:48 GMT 08:48 UK Jury trials face major overhaul The right of thousands of defendants to trial by jury could be scrapped in a radical overhaul of the criminal justice system, a leaked document has revealed. It contains proposals to reduce the number of trials heard by a jury, and to scrap the rule whereby suspects cannot be tried twice for the same serious offence. Judges would be allowed to sit alone to hear particularly complex cases or ones which could expose jurors to intimidation. Overhaul proposals Trial without jury in fraud cases More representative juries Sentencing powers beefed up 'Double jeopardy' rules amended The government believes the criminal justice system currently favours defendants and the proposals are intended to increase the conviction rate. Labour peer and lawyer Baroness Helena Kennedy regards the proposed changes as "a wholesale assault on civil liberties" and a "knee-jerk reaction". She believes they could "actually lead to miscarriages of justice and an erosion of the system". On Friday official figures revealed a 7% increase in crimes and it was announced that jails are so overcrowded that some prisoners are being held in police cells. The White Paper also proposes changes to the double jeopardy rule - under which defendants cannot be tried twice for the same crime. It suggests it should not apply in cases of "a grave offence punishable by imprisonment", or cases with compelling new evidence where a retrial is "in the interests of justice". There would also be a clampdown on middle class professionals who try to avoid jury service because of their work commitments. And juries would be made more representative of their communities by increasing the catchment area. Magistrates look set to get more powers In an attempt to cut the costs run-up by Crown Court trials magistrates would have their sentencing powers doubled to 12 months. Reports suggest there could also be new police powers to impose bail conditions, including electronic tagging of some suspects who have not been charged. According to The Independent, the government also plans to take action against lawyers who use delaying tactics to win cases. A draft version of the document seen by the paper said: "There are too many cases where tactical manoeuvres designed to secure acquittals by disrupting the process mean the right verdict is not reached, and that is simply not good enough." Caution urged It went on: "We will not tolerate abuse and obstruction of the system and we will not allow the process to be treated as a game of snakes and ladders by the defence as a tactic to get the defendant off." Baroness Kennedy believes the legal system is in need of reform, and she told BBC Radio 4's Today programme that there were "many different ways in which you can do that". She added that "abuses, if they happen on any sort of significant scale, should be dealt with - but this is not the way to do it." Sir David Ramsbotham, former chief inspector of prisons, has warned there would be a significant problem if the proposals for change led to further expansion of the prison population. He said: "That is a terrible problem. I understand that already the Prison Service have had to ask the police to hold them (prisoners), which they haven't done for a number of years." He added that work and education programmes to help prisoners lead law-abiding lives "cannot be conducted in police cells". http://www.ctrl.org/";>www.ctrl.org DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion & informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html";>Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED] http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/";>ctrl To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Plan to attack Iraq 'immoral'
-Caveat Lector- Plan to attack Iraq 'immoral' The cleric widely tipped to become the next Archbishop of Canterbury has called any attack on Iraq "immoral". Dr Rowan Williams, Archbishop of Wales, has signed a declaration criticising the West's war on terror and said an assault on Iraq would be "illegal". The declaration was published in the Roman Catholic weekly paper, The Tablet. Eradicating the dangers posed by malevolent dictators and terrorists can be achieved only by tackling the root causes of the disputes Pax Christi In it, Dr Williams and other signatories, including a Church of England and Catholic bishop, say attacking Iraq would be tantamount to fighting "terror with terror". "It's deplorable that the world's most powerful nations continue to regard war, and the threat of war, as an acceptable instrument of foreign policy," they write. They add that such thinking is in "violation of both the United Nations and Christian moral teaching". They raise their concerns amid increasing indications from the US that such an invasion is being considered. Top job Dr Williams has been reported as being first choice to replace Dr George Carey in the Church of England's top job. He is believed to be favoured by Prime Minister Tony Blair, with whom the final decision rests. In January, the outspoken cleric described the Afghanistan conflict as "morally tainted" and "embarrassing". He is a member of the Christian pressure group Pax Christi, which was behind the anti-war declaration. The document will be presented to Downing Street next month. Weapons inspections Other signatories include the Church of England Bishop of Chelmsford, Reverend John Perry, and the Catholic Bishop of Brentford, Reverend Thomas McMahon. They want Iraq to allow UN weapons inspectors to check if it had weapons of mass destruction. They also want Britain and the US to do the same. The signatories add: "It is our considered view that an attack on Iraq would be both immoral and illegal and that eradicating the dangers posed by malevolent dictators and terrorists can be achieved only by tackling the root causes of the disputes." http://www.ctrl.org/";>www.ctrl.org DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion & informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html";>Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED] http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/";>ctrl To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] The Einstein Files
-Caveat Lector- http://www.webactive.com/pacifica/demnow/dn20020709.html Story: THE EINSTEIN FILES: J. EDGAR HOOVER'S SECRET WAR AGAINST THE WORLD'S MOST FAMOUS SCIENTIST (streaming recorded broadcast in RealAudio) We have been talking about the FBI's investigation into US scientists who could have been behind last fall's anthrax attacks. Today we are going to look at another scientist the FBI investigated for more than 20 years. The worlds most famous scientist, in fact. This scientist who revolutionized the study of the physical world, rewriting the laws of space, time and gravity. But he was also a pacifist, a Jewish immigrant who supported civil rights, disarmament, internationalism, and socialism. He was a friend of celebrated African-Americans Paul Robeson and W. E. B. Du Bois. And he dared to use his immense prestige to denounce Joseph McCarthy at the height of McCarthy era, and publicly urged witnesses to refuse to testify before the House Un-American Activities Committee (HUAC). I am talking about Albert Einstein, the great physicist who gave the world the theory of relativity in 1919. J. Edgar Hoover launched a ruthless, "derogatory information" campaign against Einstein in 1933, the year he emigrated from Germany to the United States. The campaign included illegally opening Einstein's mail, monitoring his phone, going through his garbage, trying to link him to Soviet spies, and trying to take away his US citizenship. The investigation turned up nothing, but that did not stop Hoover from amassing an 1800-page file on the physicist. He closed the file a few days after Einstein died in 1955. A broad history of this story has been known since 1983, when an English professor obtained a censored version of Einstein's FBI file and wrote about it in The Nation magazine. But a new book provides further shocking details of the FBI campaign against Einstein. The book is called "The Einstein File: J. Edgar Hoover's Secret War Against the World's Most Famous Scientist." It was written by Fred Jerome, who sued the government with the help of the Public Citizen Litigation Group to obtain a less censored version of the file. The book was published in May by St. Martin's Press. Guest: Fred Jerome, author of The Einstein File: J. Edgar Hoover's Secret War Against the World's Most Famous Scientist -- http://theeinsteinfile.com The Einstein File, It's widely believed that Einstein was the "father of the atom bomb." In fact, readers of Fred Jerome's new book The Einstein File will discover that the scientist was barred from working on the bomb, as a security risk by J. Edgar Hoover's FBI and US Army officials. It was part of Hoover's secret, 23-year campaign to undermine Einstein's influence, a campaign that included illegally opening the scientist's mail, monitoring his phone, trying to link him to Soviet spies, and trying to take away his American citizenship - a campaign detailed for the first time in The Einstein File. The book, to be published in May by St. Martin's Press, also brings to light evidence that Hoover was working with or duped by pro-Nazi elements in Germany and the US. After three years of FOIA efforts, Jerome succeeded in obtaining virtually the full FBI file on the world's most famous scientist. (In a 1983 version released by the FBI more than 25% of the file was withheld or blacked out.) From the Book Jacket: Using material newly obtained through the Freedom of Information Act, Fred Jerome weaves information from Einstein's almost two-thousand-page FBI file with the history of the period to create a spy-story-like narrative that also explores Einstein's political dimension. From the moment Albert Einstein arrived in the United States in l933, the year of the Nazis' ascent to power in Germany, until his death in l955, J. Edgar Hoover's FBI, assisted by several other federal agencies, began feverishly collecting "derogatory information" in an effort to undermine the renowned physicist's influence and destroy his reputation. For the first time, Fred Jerome tells the story in depth of that anti-Einstein campaign, explains why and how the campaign originated, and provides the first detailed picture of Einstein's little-known political activism. Unlike the popular image of Einstein as an absentminded, head-in-the-clouds genius, he was in fact intensely interested in the larger society and felt it was his duty to use his worldwide fame to help advance the cause of social justice. Einstein was a fervent pacifist, socialist, internationalist, and an outspoken critic of racism (he considered racism America's "worst disease"), as well as a friend of celebrated African Americans Paul Robeson and W. E. B. Du Bois. Einstein dared to use his immense prestige to denounce Joseph McCarthy at the height of the feared senator's power, and publicly urged witnesses to refuse to testify before the House Un-American Activities Co
[CTRL] Fw: The Einstein Files
-Caveat Lector- Re-sending ... sorry if there is a duplicate. I am really beginning to hate Pacbell (SBC) regarding their lousy email service, not to mention Yahoogroups. - jt -- http://www.webactive.com/pacifica/demnow/dn20020709.html Story: THE EINSTEIN FILES: J. EDGAR HOOVER'S SECRET WAR AGAINST THE WORLD'S MOST FAMOUS SCIENTIST (streaming recorded broadcast in RealAudio) We have been talking about the FBI's investigation into US scientists who could have been behind last fall's anthrax attacks. Today we are going to look at another scientist the FBI investigated for more than 20 years. The worlds most famous scientist, in fact. This scientist who revolutionized the study of the physical world, rewriting the laws of space, time and gravity. But he was also a pacifist, a Jewish immigrant who supported civil rights, disarmament, internationalism, and socialism. He was a friend of celebrated African-Americans Paul Robeson and W. E. B. Du Bois. And he dared to use his immense prestige to denounce Joseph McCarthy at the height of McCarthy era, and publicly urged witnesses to refuse to testify before the House Un-American Activities Committee (HUAC). I am talking about Albert Einstein, the great physicist who gave the world the theory of relativity in 1919. J. Edgar Hoover launched a ruthless, "derogatory information" campaign against Einstein in 1933, the year he emigrated from Germany to the United States. The campaign included illegally opening Einstein's mail, monitoring his phone, going through his garbage, trying to link him to Soviet spies, and trying to take away his US citizenship. The investigation turned up nothing, but that did not stop Hoover from amassing an 1800-page file on the physicist. He closed the file a few days after Einstein died in 1955. A broad history of this story has been known since 1983, when an English professor obtained a censored version of Einstein's FBI file and wrote about it in The Nation magazine. But a new book provides further shocking details of the FBI campaign against Einstein. The book is called "The Einstein File: J. Edgar Hoover's Secret War Against the World's Most Famous Scientist." It was written by Fred Jerome, who sued the government with the help of the Public Citizen Litigation Group to obtain a less censored version of the file. The book was published in May by St. Martin's Press. Guest: Fred Jerome, author of The Einstein File: J. Edgar Hoover's Secret War Against the World's Most Famous Scientist -- http://theeinsteinfile.com The Einstein File, It's widely believed that Einstein was the "father of the atom bomb." In fact, readers of Fred Jerome's new book The Einstein File will discover that the scientist was barred from working on the bomb, as a security risk by J. Edgar Hoover's FBI and US Army officials. It was part of Hoover's secret, 23-year campaign to undermine Einstein's influence, a campaign that included illegally opening the scientist's mail, monitoring his phone, trying to link him to Soviet spies, and trying to take away his American citizenship - a campaign detailed for the first time in The Einstein File. The book, to be published in May by St. Martin's Press, also brings to light evidence that Hoover was working with or duped by pro-Nazi elements in Germany and the US. After three years of FOIA efforts, Jerome succeeded in obtaining virtually the full FBI file on the world's most famous scientist. (In a 1983 version released by the FBI more than 25% of the file was withheld or blacked out.) From the Book Jacket: Using material newly obtained through the Freedom of Information Act, Fred Jerome weaves information from Einstein's almost two-thousand-page FBI file with the history of the period to create a spy-story-like narrative that also explores Einstein's political dimension. From the moment Albert Einstein arrived in the United States in l933, the year of the Nazis' ascent to power in Germany, until his death in l955, J. Edgar Hoover's FBI, assisted by several other federal agencies, began feverishly collecting "derogatory information" in an effort to undermine the renowned physicist's influence and destroy his reputation. For the first time, Fred Jerome tells the story in depth of that anti-Einstein campaign, explains why and how the campaign originated, and provides the first detailed picture of Einstein's little-known political activism. Unlike the popular image of Einstein as an absentminded, head-in-the-clouds genius, he was in fact intensely interested in the larger society and felt it was his duty to use his worldwide fame to help advance the cause of social justice. Einstein was a fervent pacifist, socialist, internationalist, and an outspoken critic of racism (he considered racism America's "worst disease"), as well as a friend of celebrated African Americans Paul Robeson and W. E. B. Du Bois. Einstein dared to use his immense prestige
