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The most important story about Eli Lilly is that Lillys two current blockbuster psychiatric drugsZyprexa and Prozacare, in scientific terms, of little value. It is also about how Lilly and the rest of Big Pharma have corrupted psychiatry, resulting in the increasing medicalization of unhappiness. This diseasing of our malaise has diverted us from examining the social sources for our unhappinessand implementing societal solutions.
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[CTRL] Israel's Apartheid Policies Worse Then South Africa

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w w w . h a a r e t z . c o m



Last update - 02:21 24/08/2004
UN agent: Apartheid regime in territories worse than S. Africa
By Aluf Benn

South African law professor Prof. John Dugard, the special rapporteur for
the United Nations on the situation of human rights in the Palestinian
territories, has written in a report to the UN General Assembly that there
is "an apartheid regime" in the territories "worse than the one that existed
in South Africa."

As an example, Dugard points to the roads only open to settlers, from which
Palestinians are banned.

In his report presented early this month, Dugard is highly critical of
Israel for its "continuing violations of human rights in the territories."
He said Israel is blatantly violating the International Court of Justice's
ruling on the separation fence, and has declared it will not obey it.

The report was disseminated among the member countries ahead of the
September General Assembly session meant to discuss the fence.

Dugard, a law professor from South Africa, was a member of a Truth
Commission at the end of the apartheid regime, and was appointed by the UN
in 2001 as special rapporteur for human rights in the West Bank and Gaza.

He called for a general arms embargo against Israel in May, in response to
the IDF operations in Rafah, similar to the arms embargo imposed on South
Africa in 1977.

According to government sources in Jerusalem, Israel is currently leaning
toward cooperating with the various rapporteurs of the UN, and responding to
their questions and requests.

But there are two exceptions to that rule: Dugard, and the special
rapporteur for food, Jean Zigler. Israel refuses to cooperate with them
because of the language of their mandates, and what it regards as their
unfair approach. According to the sources, Dugard's assignment was phrased
in a way that discriminates against Israel.

But the government does not prevent Dugard from traveling in the territories
and Israel, to meet people and to report as he wishes.

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>It has little legitimate status as a nation (it is neither secular nor
democratic; it is
> an extremely poor country that has propagandized education with
> fundamentalism and numerous atrocities

Hmmm. Eliminate 'poor' and that definition could certainly describe the good
ole US of A.

>India is densely populated, and a secular, democratic and developing
sovereign
> republic with nuclear and scientific capabilities that rival or exceed
many
> so-called 'developed countries' in Eur-Asia and elsewhere.

India certainly is 'densely populated'. It is a demographic nightmare, an
ecological disaster. Its untold millions of deprived masses are lorded over
by an arrogant, grasping minority. India is a sick timebomb waiting to
implode.

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2004-08-23 Thread world vu

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Another error in the post cited is that the population of muslims in India
is much more than that of Pakistan or Bangladesh for that matter. This can
be confirmed with census data from year 2000.
Pakistan is a rogue state from the start that has enjoyed total US-UK-UNO
support (funds, aid, diplomatic status, UN security council membership,
etc.) largely through tin-pot dictators and heroin profiting military junta
(exeplified by the notorious ISI who are partially responsible for 9-11
money transfers and BCCI scam). This has been going on since the dubious
formation of 'West' and 'East' Pakistan in 1947 through the British colonial
policy of divide and rule (i.e., "hinduism" vs "Islam"). It has little
legitimate status as a nation (it is neither secular nor democratic; it is
an extremely poor country that has propagandized education with
fundamentalism and numerous atrocities in Kashmir). It has been a front for
covertly funded subcersive western inteloperations and also dubious nuclear
proliferation courtesy fascist China which would like to hide its atrocities
in Tibet and Aksai Chin area. These are sociological facts often ignored by
western research perhaps because it is unaware of the "strategic" or
geopolitical issues involved. It is "not convenient" to point out the
terrorism of Pakistan and China vis a vis Indian people as it could indict
many so-called leaders of the globalist movement (in the US, UN, UK, IMF,
etc.). These new world order freaks, by the way, hate the fact that India is
densely populated, and a secular, democratic and developing sovereign
republic with nuclear and scientific capabilities that rival or exceed many
so-called 'developed countries' in Eur-Asia and elsewhere. Please get the
facts first about demographics, cultural geography and history, then do the
math and reasoning, and then discuss. With best wishes to the CTRL list from
worldvu.

From: Ole Gerstrøm <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [CTRL] French-Muslim Connection Date: Mon, 23 Aug 2004
15:56:07 +0200
There is an error in this fine article. There are 60 million inhabitants in
France. Out of them 5
 millions are considered muslims, which is around 8,3%. This figure is
fatal. That is the point where > they usually start getting brutal on
christians and jews. Yours, Ole Gerstrom, Copenhagen
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From: "Ed Raymond" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Monday, August 23, 2004 12:55 PM
Subject: [CTRL] French-Muslim Connection
This article provides excellent insights as to what is happening in France
and helps understand their seemingly irrational policies.  It points out how
out-of-control immigration can destroy a country, a warning for the USA.

The French-Muslim Connection by Thomas D. Segel
There are more than one billion Muslims in the world. The largest Muslim
population, totaling 180 million, is in Indonesia. It is followed by 125
million in Pakistan, Bangladesh with 109 million and India with 84 million.
The remainder is spread through 100 countries, including an estimated 5
million Muslims in France.
> Though the figure 5 million may not seem large when viewed next to the
populations of countries such as Indonesia, it still represents almost
twenty percent of the people in France. What it has done to this western
nation is negatively impact it so severely that it may soon lose its
European identity. In fact, if the birth rate continues as projected, France
will have a Muslim majority in less than 25 years.
> According to the international Limits To Growth Organization writer
Brenda
Walker, "France should be seen as a cautionary tale of immigration run amok,
and how quickly things can get out of control. Muslim immigration to France
is a post-war phenomenon for the most part. Just a few decades of high
immigration of a group with high fertility has put France in the unenviable
position of being the European nation thought most likely to be the first to
introduce sharia (Islamic) law.
> The constant appeasement attitude of officials has also been seen to
embolden the Muslim population into making strong demands on the country. As
they grow in numbers most French Muslims feel they can impose the will of
Islam on the entire country. There is also the threat of violence, which is
always a concern by French leaders. They have already seen an increase in
crime and violence against women among the Arab immigrants.
> Starting in the year 2000, following the Intifada uprising, France
started
to experience an escalation of crimes against its Jewish citizens. Six
synagogues were burned down in less than three weeks. The perpetrators were
Muslims. By 2002 France was experiencing 12 anti-Semitic incidents daily.
The Muslim population had grown 10 times larger than the country's Jewish
community and by sheer numbers had placed themselves in a position where
anti-Semitism seemed to no longer be a concern of those in government. Today
Fre

Re: [CTRL] Webfairy

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This is a voluminous email on Webfairy's antics of the past and I suggest that anyone wanting to know more about here read all of it.  At one time she pressed to meet me and I am now glad I didn't.  I came frightfully close once.
 
At the very least, the following snips, all from emails she posted to my ex-Yahoogroup, Psy-Op, show just how unscientific and illogical is her deductive process.  Still, I cannot find the references to the close-up of an object with black and white tiles.  It is possible that I saw it in a private email from her.
 
A snip from an email quoting Webfairy, an email posted by Paul Walker" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> (as my list was hacked, the original email addresses are hidden even from me - remote password change) follows.  You are welcome to browse the list to see that at no time did Webfairy take exception to all of this.  She did not deny, at any point, having said these words but continued in a long, ongoing discussion although it does seem that she is referring to frames posted at artbell.com and not the frames on her site (much more interesting stuff on Webfairy follows):
 
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/psy-op/message/5554
 
Date: Thu, 14 Mar 2002 17:10:33 -0600From: The WebfairySubject: Re: Thomas Paine and Snake Plissken bring us back from North Towerto the Pentagon and the real case against the government.Huh? First, I'm a she. A 50 year old grandmother in Chicago,disabled by a hip replaced twice.I'm not connected to any intelligence apparatus except my own brain.I too have been researching this situation 7 days a week and fulltime since 9-13, when Bush made his warmonger speech instead ofcomforting the nation.Second, there is an IMMENSELY PECULIAR Something on that tape.Immensely peculiar.I have all the frames split out in a 640x480 size format, and theWhatever is very peculiar, and Very there.If you need a "smoking gun" it is there in the stills from thattape.This is my detailed analysis after studying the blow-ups of thesingle frames, as posted to CIA-Drugs last night:Very wierd is putting it mildly.There's one frame where the sucker appears to back up!It seems to emerge intact, leaving a shadow that is cigar shape likethe artbell thing athttp://artbell.com/graphics19.htmlI'd guess whatever that video caught is what this video caught, butfrom farther away, and going in at an incredible speed.I exported the frames at 30 frames per second.The whatever it us appears in the first frame the camera caughtafter turning the camera toward the WTC. The first few framesshowing it, it is HAULING ASS. The first 12 frames showing it showsignificant movement (at least the width of the thing worth ofmovement per frame) then it um, backs up during one frame.Then it's movement is significantly slower...it takes two frames toshow movement. Then it takes 3 frames to show movement, and then ithits.There are 40 frames between the spot where it backs up and where itdisappears into the building. This is less distance than it coveredin the first 12 frames in which it was visable, before it "backsup."
 
~~~
 
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/psy-op/message/5506
 
From:  The Webfairy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date:  Wed Mar 13, 2002  3:34 pm Subject:  Re: [APFN] Just One Problem with Specualtions on Flight 11 and the North Tower
 
*no* 757 or any other plane we know about moves 5 times faster thanthe speed of a fireball.NONE.Yet that's what this video shows, once split up into individualstills.I have irfanview, a free file viewer, with which I stepped throughthe frames.The *whatever it is* showed significant movement IN EVERY FRAMEuntil it gets *very* close to the building, at which time it takestow frames to show movement, and then three. To see any movement inthe smoke or flames takes 5 frames at least.This whatever it is is *really, really streaking.*http://www.taner.net/wtc/media/First_Plane_Crash_SLOW_.mpegI think this whatever it is is moving plenty fast to cause a sonicboom.
 
~~~
 
The following is copied from:
[Fwd: FW: WTC1 or the WHATZIT of the EMPIRE]http://groups.yahoo.com/group/psy-op/message/6467
 
From:  The Webfairy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date:  Wed Apr 17, 2002  12:43 am Subject:  [Fwd: FW: WTC1 or the WHATZIT of the EMPIRE]
 
From: Barbara <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>Subject: FW: WTC1 or the WHATZIT of the EMPIRETo: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
 
added more blowups of the craft parts and scenario that Webfairydid of thestills of the WTC 1 event. there ofcourse is much more.. hopeyou allcan see some of what i put up..enlarged and cut apart to view .grantedthese are strange reptilian craft.. we are NOT used to seeing.. yetthere ismuch that we should be able to recognize from our so called Xrulersand the symbology that they utilize'http://www.wiolawapress.com/signature.htm
 
~~~
 
Next, Webfairy claims that the plane that hit the building is something other than the "whatzit" and that the building was hit twice, once by "each" object:
 
http://groups.yahoo.com/grou

Re: [CTRL] French-Muslim Connection

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> There is an error in this fine article. There are 60 million inhabitants
in
> France. Out of them 5 millions are considered muslims, which is around
8,3%.
> This figure is fatal. That is the point where they usually start getting
> brutal on christians and jews.
> Yours, Ole Gerstrom, Copenhagen

Ah so. Must be on guard against the evil Moslem Semite anti-semites. Once
they cross that 8% threshold, no doubt they will take over France, murder
all the Jews and Christians. But reallly - who cares? After all, according
to the Bushniks, the French are all godless cheese suckers, not good
Christians. The Jews can follow Sharon's advice and live happily ever after
in Israel - that wonderful peaceful place. What a pleasant life they have.
Living in brand new West Bank 'settlements' with countless serfs (aka
'Palestinians') to clean their houses and wash their new cars. All thanks to
the American taxpayers and their 5 BBBillion yearly subsidy.

Of course the real threat is the new Moslem France might stop making
delightful French wines, forcing us to all drink California box wine.

flw

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Re: [CTRL] Webfairy

2004-08-23 Thread Brian Salter


On Aug 23, 2004, at 7:58 PM, Adam Bruce wrote:

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 While I do not doubt what you have provided here, I would like to state something for clarity's sake:
 
If Webfairy got these images directly from an actual film of the "attack" then the initial images were either doctored or invented (the first images she provided showed a close up of something with great detail though it looked ridiculous).  We are also left with the question of why in the images she provides there is a series from one frame to the next, in what is currently available at her website,  where the object actually jumps BACKWARD for a single frame, then resumes its course forward.  Is this not evidence of tampering?

i have seen nothing that looks like the object jumping backwards for one frame in the naudet DVD version of the first footage, which is the benchmark.  can you point me to the best example of a file that shows this 'jump'?  this certainly deserves a careful look as possible evidence of tampering by somebody or other.

aside from this, the main point to keep in mind is that the original naudet footage has a very low resolution image of the aircraft, which doesn't have enough detail to make fine judgements about anything.  deductive logic, plus witness statements and the perfectly 767-shaped entry hole, support the existence of a 767 and not something else.  the notion that one can get more resolution from nothing by using a fractal enlargement program and see details that aren't already visible in the video is pure BS.

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http://www.nytimes.com/2004/08/23/technology/23wiretap.html?8hpib

The Call Is Cheap. The Wiretap Is
Extra.
At first glance, it might seem like
the simple extension of a standard tool in the fight against the bad
guys.But in fact, wiretapping Internet phones to monitor criminals and
terrorists is costly and complex, and potentially a big burden on new
businesses trying to sell the phone service.Earlier this month, the
Federal Communications Commission voted unanimously to move forward with
rules that would compel the businesses to make it possible for law
enforcement agencies to eavesdrop on Internet calls.But developing
systems to wiretap calls that travel over high-speed data networks - a task
that the companies are being asked to pay for - has caused executives and
some lawmakers to worry that helping the police may stifle innovation and
force the budding industry to alter its services. That requirement, they
say, could undermine some of the reasons Internet phones are starting to
become popular: lower cost and more flexible features.The commission's
preliminary decision, announced on Aug. 4, is a major step in the long
process of deciding how Internet-based conversations could be monitored.
Regulators will now hear three months of public testimony on the ruling. Few
expect a resolution of the issue this year, but it is not hard to figure out
who will ultimately pay for the wiretapping capability."All the costs
carriers incur are ultimately going to be passed on to the consumer," said
Tom Kershaw, vice president for voice-over-Internet services at VeriSign,
which provides surveillance support for Internet phone
companies.Tapping Internet phones is far more complicated than listening
in on traditional calls because the wiretapper has to isolate voice packets
moving over the Internet from data and other information packets also
traveling on the network.While traditional calls are steady
electronic voice signals sent over a dedicated wire, Internet calls move as
data packets containing as little as a hundredth of a second of sound, or
less than one syllable, which follow often-unpredictable paths before they
are reassembled on the receiving end to form a conversation.To make
wiretapping possible, Internet phone companies would have to buy equipment
and software as well as hire technicians, or contract with VeriSign or one
of its competitors. The costs could run into the millions of dollars,
depending on the size of the Internet phone company and the number of
government requests.The requirement to cooperate with law enforcement
agencies is unlikely to drive any Internet phone company out of business,
though it could cut into profits. Last year, the agencies conducted about
1,500 wiretaps, with the bulk of them in major cities like New York and
Miami. The Federal Bureau of Investigation has yet to complete a wiretap
over Internet phone services."It doesn't break the business model, but
it means free telephone service is impossible," said John Pescatore, the
lead security analyst at Gartner Inc., a research group. "You might see
add-on surcharges."Internet companies are starting to gear up for the
federal requirements. Many Internet phone companies, including Vonage, which
has the largest number of subscribers, already supply the police with the
phone numbers that a person under court-sanctioned surveillance dials and
the origin of calls he or she receives, plus information about the
connections, like whether a conference call was convened. The vast majority
of court orders for wiretapping involve this kind of monitoring, known as
"trap and trace," which is typically used at the beginning of an
investigation.The less frequent, but more complicated, monitoring
request is to allow the police to listen to conversations as they occur. In
those cases, the differences

[CTRL] Fwd: [cia-drugs] JP Morgan Is Reported Seeking Strategic Stake in Bank of China

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JP Morgan Is Reported
SeekingStrategic Stake in Bank of ChinaFrom
ReutersMonday, August 23, 2004http://www.reuters.com/newsArticle.jhtml?type=topNews&storyID=6038683HONG
KONG -- State-run Bank of China, the country's largest foreign exchange
lender, is in active discussions with U.S. investment bank JP Morgan
over a possible stake sale, a local newspaper said on Monday.
Bank of China said it planned to pick five to six foreign strategic
investors for a stake sale by the end of August, one of which is JP Morgan,
the Apple Daily wrote, citing unidentified sources. Banks that have
said they are not in talks with Bank of China over strategic stakes include
HSBC Holdings Plc. and Deutsche Bank AG.Getting foreign investors
involved in its management is seen as a key to ensuring efforts to turn
the bank into a modern and commercially sound institution. China
injected $45 billion into Bank of China and China Construction Bank late
last year to help them restructure and eventually list shares to cope
with greater competition from late 2006, when foreign banks technically gain
near-full access to the market.

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[CTRL] Fwd: [cia-drugs] What will happen to India when American economy collapses due to fiscal mismanagement

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Problem is that the American economy is
tailing spinning into a major depression and that is going to drag India
down to the mud. The overcapacity in India with young generation ready to
work for TCSs, IBMs and Microsofts will never be used due to depression in
US economy.
 
http://www.indiadaily.com/editorial/08-11-04.asp
 
What will happen to India when American
economy collapses due to fiscal mismanagementSanjeev
Gurnani, Special CorrespondentAugust 11, 2004 India may suffer
unnecessarily if and when American economy collapses. The downward spiral
may have started with nasty stagflation. The stagnation in America
comes from lack of pricing power, excessive borrowing, sky rocketing fiscal
deficit, war expenses and Federal Reserve Bank's mismanagement of fiscal
affairs.  How will that impact India? When you finish reading this
article, you will feel bad. India had an underdeveloped but self-sustaining
economy with very little borrowing from the ordinary citizens.
Something went wrong in early 1990s. In the name of liberalization,
India imported all the bad stuff from American economy. The freely
available credit, ballooning budget deficit, trade deficit accompanied
imported outsourced jobs. Americans are eager to use Indian brains but wants
to pay only five cents for dollar worth of job. India's local Governments
opened the doors thinking several Bill Gates will make them rich over night.
In the process India bought billions of dollars from these Americans and
hardware is useless anyway by this time. Buildings and cities have been
built with overcapacity looming everywhere. Young kids have been told to
learn only computers because Americans are going to sell oil from Iraq,
make a lot of money and bring truckload of jobs into India. If American
economy is ok, there is no problem.Problem is that the American economy
is tailing spinning into a major depression and that is going to drag India
down to the mud. The overcapacity in India with young generation ready to
work for TCSs, IBMs and Microsofts will never be used due to depression in
US economy. US fiscal mismanagement actually started in mid eighties.
Ronald Reagan did win the cold war but at the cost of sacrificing the
best thing US had - Social Security. Things changed in Clinton days due
to Internet boom and Year 2000 Computer scare which never really
materialized. In the mean time, Bush Jr. came to power, 9/11 terrorism
happened and US economy started moving downwards. At this stage, Bush
and Federal Reserves Green Span converted America into a welfare country.
When Air lines could not run their business, Bush gave them billions
to survive and move on. Interest rates were lowered to almost zero.
Cars were offered to public with no interest installment loans. People could
buy homes with interest only loans. Income tax was reduced so that
rich can spend more and pay less tax. Every American company today
depends primarily on Government contracts to pay their bills. America went
into Iraq so that American companies can make a lot of money from Iraqi oil
money contracts. But nothing finally is working. Americans borrowed
in billions from their home equities and now does not know how to pay them
off. People are making less money, losing good jobs and taking low
quality jobs with one third pay and no benefits.People are still
ecstatic about America and the economy. These are signs of a major topping
of an economy for a long run scenario. This depression may go on for as long
as thirty years with dow reaching as low as 1000 or even less.India
has positioned itself to shoot in the foot as American economy collapses.
Two thins are going to happen. First, American companies will not have money
to pay Indians. Secondly, America will change and outsourcing and free trade
as we know it today will come to a halt. Inte

Re: [CTRL] The 9/11 Cell Phone Calls

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The following is taken from:
Microcom's Space Newsfeed - Terrorist Attacks on USA 16 Sep 2001
http://www.spacenewsfeed.co.uk/2001/16September2001.html
 
The devastating terrorist attacks on the World Trade Center, New York and the Pentagon have shocked and horrified us all. The attacks also caused disruption for satellite and space companies across the USA.
 
A) Someone had access to some highly classified frequencies.
B) Cell phones utilize these kinds of over-the-horizon electromagnetic waves.
C) Global Hawk, a remote control technology, uses the same.
D) Chemtrails facilitate such by creating what the USAF calls artificial ionospheric mirrors, a signal bouncing process that deliberately charges our troposphere in certain spots.
 
Space stations were having problems with these airwaves.  Global Hawk would have needed to have clear airwaves to ENSURE proper signal transmission and reception to the remotely operated planes.  Yet, there was no problem for small-scale transmissions like cell phones.  Hmm...
 
~~~
 
Operation Two Towers
 

1. Introduction
2. A little about me
3. A version of the events of 9-11 that has been widely suppressed
 
~~~
 
1. Introduction
 
I know this is voluminous and it may be some theory that you have not heard of.  I also am aware of the tendency of almost anyone to hold onto the outlook they have so far built.  I have been guilty of it at times myself.
 
I also know that there are elements to the theory I am about to present to you that you HAVE already heard but I argue that they have been argued badly in the past and often by general kooks.  Please avoid the temptation to jump to conclusions about what exactly MY conclusions are.  My research is unique though others have used large portions of it in extremely unscientific investigations.
 
Much of this research depends on massive amounts of archived material at Indymedia which, believe it or not, Indymedia has removed almost entirely, this two days after Mike Ruppert threatened to go to Indymedia pressing for its removal.  He did react in a very volatile manner when I suggested that he had been duped but I should state the essence of the delusion that many share: the story that nineteen Arab hijackers pulled off 9-11 was PROVIDED by the Bush administration.  Since Bush was complicit and is a general liar and since the BBC reports that several of those "hijackers" have been found alive (some sources say as many as seven), I consider the entire list suspect and even the story.  Mike Ruppert has denied many opportunities to engage me on points on this debate but in three cases, he has only managed to have me censored.  Draw your own conclusions.
 
That said, here you go.
 
~~~
 
2. A little about me
 
First a little about myself.  You should know my background to see if you are even interested in continuing:
 
The following is snipped from Agent "Souljah" Smiley's Last Stand
 
About five years ago, a relative nobody had a great idea, though at the time he had no idea what a great idea it was. Jam Echelon Day came about when I, Eric Stewart (going as Robert Kemp), while listening in on the Hacktivism listserv (something that DeClan McCullough had nothing to do with, contrary to his statements), offered to the group that we encourage the world to hit the internet with a bombardment of keywords supposedly in the Echelon dictionary, all in one day, globally.This landed me a certain degree of fame, and infamy. Today, according to the Homeland Security Act, this would be classified, legally, as terrorism.Jam Echelon Day was a great success, in that it brought Echelon from the depths of rightist conspiranoia theory straight onto the set of Sixty Minutes. It was a huge bane for myself in that during the following five years I would be subject to every type of harrassment imaginable both digital and psychological.Since then I have covered U.S. domestic psychological operations (my backlash against their tactics was to study their harrassments tediously in order to learn better, and to report how we are manipulated), Operation Two Towers (September 11, 2001), and weather modification, amongst a number of other issues. In nearly all cases, I came too close to the truth for the establishment to ignore and, often, too close for the established "resistance" to ally with.In that time I have lost roughly forty email addresses and six listservs, all due to digital aggression.Most recently, as I expressed to my latest list that I would be on a several-week retreat, Yahoo chose again to silence me. I only grow stronger.Again, by no stretch had there been a violation of the terms of service as outlined by Yahoo, unless by some stretch some clause is meant to be understood as, "Thou shalt not make waves." 
 
~
 
The following is snipped from I Have Lost My 40Th Or So Addy Due To NWO Net Force / Cointelpro Ops
 
Electrostatic: "ONE DOES NOT GET ATTACKED SO FOR BEING OFF COURSE. I am publishing sensitive material, sensitive to the B

[CTRL] Soldiers' blood may be key to anthrax medicine

2004-08-23 Thread Jim Rarey

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http://www.enquirer.com/editions/2004/08/22/loc_loc2sold.html
 
Sunday, August 22, 2004 
Soldiers' 
blood may be key to anthrax medicine 

Fort 
Campbell: Vaccinated donors 
By 
Kimberly HeflingThe Associated Press
They can do it 
for love of God and country - or for the $60. Either way, soldiers vaccinated 
against anthrax have the opportunity to help future anthrax victims by donating 
their blood. 
The government plans to develop an experimental treatment for anthrax from 
the blood of people vaccinated against it. Such a medicine has never been tested 
on people, but scientists think it has a good chance of working based on animal 
tests. 
Federal health officials are aiming for an emergency stockpile that could 
treat about 2,700 people in case of another anthrax attack. Five people died 
from anthrax in 2001. 
Lewis Long, a civilian readiness officer who pitched the plan to the troops 
this month, said many may want to do it to protect their wives and children, who 
haven't had the vaccine. 
But there is another reason, too. 
In a Fort Campbell gymnasium when troops in their Army greens were told they 
would get $60 for a liter of their blood plasma, many whooped and hollered. They 
can donate up to once a week. 
Spc. Ian Cook, a 25-year-old father of two, said he took a pay cut to join 
the Army 18 months ago, and could use the money. Donating blood four times a 
month could add $240 to his $1,550-a-month base salary 
The potential to help people exposed to anthrax, "that's just a little bonus, 
I guess," said Cook, of Las Vegas. 
Depending on the soldiers' response, the blood-donor program could be spread 
in a few weeks to other military installations. 
Fort Campbell, 50 miles north of Nashville, Tenn., was selected as the first 
site because a high percentage of soldiers have been vaccinated against anthrax, 
said Col. John Grabenstein, deputy director for military vaccines at the Army 
surgeon general's office. It's also near a federally approved plasma collection 
site in Clarksville, Tenn. 
All troops deploying to Iraq, Afghanistan and other U.S. Central Command 
countries, as well as Korea, are required to get anthrax shots. Since 1998, 1.2 
million troops have been vaccinated against anthrax. 
To make the new medication, called anthrax immune globulin, or AIG, 
scientists will use antibodies from the soldiers' plasma, the watery part of the 
blood. 
"We think there is a good chance that AIG would help improve survival in 
patients with severe anthrax diseases, but we don't know for sure," said Dr. 
Clare Dykewicz, a medical epidemiologist with the Centers for Disease Control 
and Prevention, which is running the program. 
Antibiotics would still be used on anthrax victims, but they don't always 
work for everyone. 
Grabenstein said the new AIG treatment could be ready within a few months. 
Once available, it would be given only to people infected with anthrax, not 
those simply exposed to it. 
Early this year, the Fort Campbell-based 101st Airborne Division returned 
from a year in Iraq, and troops are required to remain current with 
vaccinations. 
Participation in the blood donor program is voluntary, and not all troops are 
interested. 
Spc. Clint Renefrow, 23, of Hays, Kan., said he barely made it through his 
mandatory vaccines without fainting. He said it would take a lot more than $60 
to get him to donate his blood. 
"I'm scared of needles," Renefrow said. 




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[CTRL] [TheEagle-L] Taxes in 2004 (fwd)

2004-08-23 Thread William Bacon

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Remember:More people have died in Ted Kennedy's car than have died in
United States Commercial Nuclear Power plant operations

 visit my web site at
http://www.info-quest.org  My ICQ# is 79071904
See the Pledge of alleginace to the flag that the 9th circuit court of
appeals doesn't want you to say.
for a precise list of the powers of the Federal Government linkto:
http://www.info-quest.org/Enumerated.html

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This is the bottom line folks! Kerry will kill this country in more ways than just 
raising taxes!

Pass it on!

Kerry's Position on INCREASING Taxes!
 http://www.scaryjohnkerry.com/taxes.htm

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[CTRL] Fwd: [smashthestate] Bushian Fascism

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Why I won't Apologize for Calling Bush a Fascist
By Morgaine Swann

http://the-goddess.org/blog/2004/08/yes-it-canwhy-i-wont-apologize-for.html

not that anyone has asked me to...
If you haven't read Fascism Anyone? by Laurence W. Britt, follow that link 
and do it now. You need to know this information in this election. I'm 
going to take the 14 points delineated by Britt and put them in perspective 
here. Remember, these are his points. The commentary is mine.

If there were one point here that didn't apply to this administration, I'd 
back down. Now check this out:

1. Powerful and continuing expressions of nationalism.

Since the attacks of the world trade center, there has been an attempt to 
control any form of dissent, or criticism of the Administration. 
Expressions of pride in being an American have taken on an almost militant 
form, expressed in pervasive displays of flags and pro-American themes in 
popular music and television.


"The Bush administration's objective of establishing U.S. domination over 
any potential adversary led to the hubristic, tragic miscalculation of the 
Iraq war, a painful adventure marked by one disaster after another based on 
one mistaken assumption after another." Al Gore



2. Disdain for the importance of human rights.

There ought to be limits to freedom.
-- George W. Bush

"People have to watch what they say and watch what they do." - Ari 
Fleisher, White House spokesman 9/26/01*


Since 9/11, people who are suspected of having ties to terrorism have been 
held indefinitely without access to counsel, courts, and are considered by 
the Administration to be exempt from the protections of the Geneva 
Convention. In spite of a recent court decision finding that the detainees 
do have rights of Habeus Corpus, the Administration has expressed that it 
has no intention of complying with the order of the court.

The Patriot Act has effectively suspended several protections guaranteed by 
the Constitution. Authorities may search anyone, at any time without 
probable cause. They can enter and search your home without notifying you. 
Communications can be monitored in unprecedented ways without a warrant.

No longer a leader in the fight for human rights around the world, America 
has been shown committing war crimes in Guantanamo Bay, Abu Grahib, and 
other locations throughout Iraq and Afghanistan. Photographic and video 
evidence has been withheld and suppressed by the media and the government. 
Items leaked through the press show prisoners being sexually violated and 
there is a number of unexplained deaths. Sy Hersch, the reporter fro the 
New Yorker who broke the story, has stated that there is video of boys 
being sodomized. Over 100 children are currently imprisoned at Abu Grahib. 
The Red Cross has been denied access to prisoners, and the Administration 
is now known to be keeping undocumented prisoners. Reports are that most of 
the people being held at Abu Grahib were detained in error. The abuses have 
been dismissed by Right Wing media personalities as nothing more than 
"fraternity pranks". A few low level soldiers are being court martialed in 
an attempt to portray the abuses as the work of a few poorly trained 
recruits. Documentation exists showing White House attorneys attempted to 
create a legal argument to justify the torturing of suspected terrorists 
well before the incidents at Abu Grahib, with full knowledge of Secretary 
of Defense Donald Rumsfeld and the White House.

Protest is now allowed only in established "Free Speech Zones." Those 
wishing to attend political rallies with the President or Vice President 
are required to sign a pledge to support their ticket in the upcoming 
election, and provide contact information and identification. The campaign 
reportedly asked a reporter's race before a

[CTRL] Fwd: possible

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DO NOT KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT THIS EXCEPT FEMA CALLS FOR THE REDUCTION OF
POPULATION AS STATED HERE, AND CHENEY SIGNED THAT INTO EFFECT RIGHT AFTER
WTC...THIS DOES FIT SOME OF THE ASPECTS OF WHAT I HAVE SEEN AND SENSED, BUT
DOES NOT MENTION THE ENERGY TECHNOLOGY AT ALL, WHICH IS A BIG PART---SO BIG
BOY GEORGE MADE IT BLACK WHEN CONGRESS KILLED IT...TIA AND ELECTRONIC MIND
CONTROL/SURVEILLANCE UTILIZING TIME DOMAIN CORPS CLASSIFIED TECH IS A BIG
PART OF THE SPRAYING, THIS WE NOW KNOW---ANYTHING ELSE COULD BE GOING ON TOO
AND THIS BELOW MAY BE ONE OTHER ASPECT, AND PROBABLY IS

I MUST STREE THAT THIS COULD BE MISINFORMATION, OR JUST PARTIAL INFO...WE DO
NOT KNOW WHAT IS BEING SPRAYED, IN ENTIRETY, AND GREAT EFFORT HAS BEEN MADE
TO CONFUSE THAT ISSUE, SO IT COULD BE ANYTHING AND PROBABALY IS...LOTS OF
PEOPLE DEVELOPING LUNG DISORDERS AND STRANGE COUGHS THOUGH...THOUGHT THIS
MIGHT INTEREST THE GROUPDUG IT OFF ONE OF THE MANY LISTS WHERE I MINE
INFO.B


"So, you haven't yet figured out the airborne conditioning-agent
release program that is being operated by the government. I'll give
you some hints, but first I'll give you a little information about
myself. I'm a retired government scientist with an advanced degree in
one of the health-related disciplines. I do not use my real name for
fear of retaliation, either against me, or against members of my
family. I always try to route my e-mail communications so that they
appear to come from another source, usually from one somewhere within
the government. Sometimes I use the internet resources of the public
library - whatever it takes to hide my true identity and confuse those
who don't want the sort of information I possess to fall into the
public's hands.

I have a small circle of friends who are, or were, in key positions
within our military and several government agencies. These are not the
very top level personnel, but mid to upper mid-level people,
scientists and analysts, who are in positions where they can see the
day-to-day activities of what's going on, who are charged with
implementing the details, but who are never quite privy to the schemes
behind the work they do. Each of my contacts has been able to supply
me with a portion of the puzzle, but separately, none of them
understands the whole story. I'll tell you what I've pieced together
so far. But I have to admit that this information frightens me because
there is no place I can go with it. What am I supposed to do - write
my congressman? I believe that would be like signing my own death
warrant.

This whole chemtrail issue is related to the plan for decreasing the
world population to around 450-500 million -- and starting with the US
first. Why? The people of the US are the only ones with even the
remotest chance of stopping this. That is, if they knew about it.
That's why the US has to be the first to go. You have to understand
that the world's elite covet the US for its geographic diversity - and
they would love to return this country to its condition as it existed
prior to Columbus setting foot here, but without the Native Americans
this time of course. 20

You may have already heard how several national parks have been
designated as world biospheres - that's the plan for all of North
America, a giant nature park and playground that will be devoid of
annoying human beings (that would be us). And the people actually
involved in doing the spraying, as well as those who will take part in
the rest of the plans, are being duped into believing they will be
spared, that is, permitted to live and remain on this continent as
administrators and caretakers of this vast nature preserve. I
understand that about 150 to 200 thousand people are projected as
necessary for maintenance purposes. But it's likely these people will
not be Americans. Those in charge wouldn't

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THE ASSOCIATED PRESS

HUNTSVILLE, Ala. - The three companies that certify the nation's voting technologies operate in secrecy, and refuse to discuss flaws in the ATM-like machines to be used by nearly one in three voters in November.
Despite concerns over whether the so-called touchscreen machines can be trusted, the testing companies won't say publicly if they have encountered shoddy workmanship.
They say they are committed to secrecy in their contracts with the voting machines' makers - even though tax money ultimately buys or leases the machines.
"I find it grotesque that an organization charged with such a heavy responsibility feels no obligation to explain to anyone what it is doing," Michael Shamos, a Carnegie Mellon computer scientist and electronic voting expert, told lawmakers in Washington, D.C.
The system for "testing and certifying voting equipment in this country is not only broken but is virtually nonexistent," Shamos added.
Although up to 50 million Americans are expected to vote on touchscreen machines on Nov. 2, federal regulators have virtually no oversight over testing of the technology. The certification process, in part because the voting machine companies pay for it, is described as obsolete by those charged with overseeing it.
The testing firms - CIBER and Wyle Laboratories in Huntsville and SysTest Labs in Denver - are also inadequately equipped, some critics contend.
Federal regulations specify that every voting system used must be validated by a tester. Yet it has taken more than a year to gain approval for some election software and hardware.
That wouldn't be such an issue if not for troubles with touchscreens, which were introduced broadly in a bid to modernize voting technology after the 2000 ballot-counting fiasco in Florida.
Failures involving touchscreens during voting this year in Georgia, Maryland and California and other states have prompted questions about the machines' susceptibility to tampering and software bugs.
Also in question is their viability, given the lack of paper records, if recounts are needed in what's shaping up to be a tightly contested presidential race. Paper records of each vote were considered a vital component of the electronic machines used in last week's referendum in Venezuela on whether to recall President Hugo Chavez.
Critics of reliance on touchscreen machines want not just paper records - only Nevada among the states expects to have them installed in its touchscreens come November - but also public scrutiny of the software they use. The machine makers have resisted.
"Four years after the last presidential election, very little has been done to assure the public of the accuracy and integrity of our voting systems," Rep. Mark Udall, D-Colo., told members of a House subcommittee in June at the same hearing at which Shamos testified.
"If there are any problems, we will spend years rebuilding the public's confidence in our voting systems," Udall said. "We need to squarely face the fact that there have been serious problems with voting equipment deployed across the country in the past two years."
In Huntsville, the window blinds were closed when a reporter visited the office suite where CIBER Inc. employees test voting machine software. A woman who unlocked the door said no one inside could answer questions about testing.

Re: [CTRL] French-Muslim Connection

2004-08-23 Thread Ole Gerstrøm

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There is an error in this fine article. There are 60 million inhabitants in
France. Out of them 5 millions are considered muslims, which is around 8,3%.
This figure is fatal. That is the point where they usually start getting
brutal on christians and jews.

Yours, Ole Gerstrom, Copenhagen


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>
> This article provides excellent insights as to what is happening in France
and helps understand their seemingly irrational policies.  It points out how
out-of-control immigration can destroy a country, a warning for the USA.
> ___
> The French-Muslim Connection
> By Thomas D. Segel
>
> There are more than one billion Muslims in the world. The largest Muslim
population, totaling 180 million, is in Indonesia. It is followed by 125
million in Pakistan, Bangladesh with 109 million and India with 84 million.
The remainder is spread through 100 countries, including an estimated 5
million Muslims in France.
> Though the figure 5 million may not seem large when viewed next to the
populations of countries such as Indonesia, it still represents almost
twenty percent of the people in France. What it has done to this western
nation is negatively impact it so severely that it may soon lose its
European identity. In fact, if the birth rate continues as projected, France
will have a Muslim majority in less than 25 years.
> According to the international Limits To Growth Organization writer Brenda
Walker, "France should be seen as a cautionary tale of immigration run amok,
and how quickly things can get out of control. Muslim immigration to France
is a post-war phenomenon for the most part. Just a few decades of high
immigration of a group with high fertility has put France in the unenviable
position of being the European nation thought most likely to be the first to
introduce sharia (Islamic) law.
> The constant appeasement attitude of officials has also been seen to
embolden the Muslim population into making strong demands on the country. As
they grow in numbers most French Muslims feel they can impose the will of
Islam on the entire country. There is also the threat of violence, which is
always a concern by French leaders. They have already seen an increase in
crime and violence against women among the Arab immigrants.
> Starting in the year 2000, following the Intifada uprising, France started
to experience an escalation of crimes against its Jewish citizens. Six
synagogues were burned down in less than three weeks. The perpetrators were
Muslims. By 2002 France was experiencing 12 anti-Semitic incidents daily.
The Muslim population had grown 10 times larger than the country's Jewish
community and by sheer numbers had placed themselves in a position where
anti-Semitism seemed to no longer be a concern of those in government. Today
French Muslims outnumber all non-Catholic ethnic and religious factions in
the country combined, including Protestants and Jews.
> Also frightening to the French government is the lack of assimilation into
national identity by these immigrants. Decades of immigration have produced
a large class of young men who claim Islam, not France, as their identity
and consider crime as an acceptable life style.
> As France became more and more concerned about the attitudes of its
Muslims, more forms of appeasement were offered. The Muslim Brotherhood,
which is an outlaw organization in Egypt was given official status and
allowed to preach its message of hate. One of the Botherhood's basic themes
is "It is a duty to kill in the name of Allah." France also decided to make
Muslims more mainstream by giving them a national council. What was thought
would be a voice of Muslim moderation became instead the voice of radical
Islam.
> By the time the United States was seeking United Nations resolutions on
Iraq the French-Muslim connection was so strong that as a country they
preferred an Iraqi victory and strongly rejected the United States position.
There are many who feel that France lives in such fear of a violent uprising
by its Muslim population that it can never take a strong western position on
anything. There are writers such as Guy Milierre who have remarked, "France
behaves more and more as if she does not belong to the West any more and as
though she is the leader of the Third World."
> If this fear of its own population does not seem possible to the reader,
consider this:
> Ten Arab men were convicted of raping a teenage girl. The Arab families
left the court shouting revenge. Eight days later the court was burned to
the ground and the girl along with her family had to flee for their lives.
> More than 23,000 French prison inmates are Muslim, this is more than six
times the proportion of Muslims to the overall French population.
> From Marseille to Paris synagogues have been destroyed,

Re: [CTRL] Webfairy

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While I do not doubt what you have provided here, I would like to state something for clarity's sake:
 
If Webfairy got these images directly from an actual film of the "attack" then the initial images were either doctored or invented (the first images she provided showed a close up of something with great detail though it looked ridiculous).  We are also left with the question of why in the images she provides there is a series from one frame to the next, in what is currently available at her website,  where the object actually jumps BACKWARD for a single frame, then resumes its course forward.  Is this not evidence of tampering?
 
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neither webfairy nor her cult followers have come up with any successful refutations of these critiques:http://www.questionsquestions.net/WTC/767orwhatzit.htmlhttp://www.questionsquestions.net/WTC/767orwhatzit2.htmlher mistakes concerning video formats, compression artifacts, etc, are laughable.but anybody can use the old fascist technique of ignoring criticism, and instead "just keep saying it over and over until it becomes the truth."-brian
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>Even with the strong anti-Semitic violence so openly displayed, few
officials speak >out and fewer members of the media report the incidents.

This is fascinating. Considering so many Moslems are Semites, why do they
commit violence upon themselves?

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