[CTRL] 6th grader targeted for pro gun remarks

2000-03-30 Thread Dolly Spahni

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Thursday, March 30, 2000
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BRAVE NEW SCHOOLS
Sixth grader targeted for pro-gun remarks
'A' student defends 2nd Amendment, flagged as violence risk
by Jon E. Dougherty
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School officials at Harbor Lights Middle School flagged a
Holland, Michigan boy as potentially dangerous because the
12-year-old suggested to a teacher that one way to prevent
school shootings would be to arm instructors.

Derek Loutzenheiser, a model student who had such good grades
that some teachers recommended he be tested early for a popular
standardized pre-college performance test, made his comments in
early March, after being asked by a social studies teacher what
he thought might make kids safer in school.

Derek had been asked to participate in a classroom discussion
about "school shootings and safety," said the sixth grader's
father, Tim Loutzenheiser.

"My son simply stated that his opinion was that he would feel
safer if some of the adults at the school were trained and
allowed to carry firearms," Mr. Loutzenheiser told
WorldNetDaily.

His reply caused him to be "flagged" as a potential violence
risk by teachers and school administrators, who then contacted
his parents to suggest they meet with the school's "Hazard and
Risk Assessment Team."

"My wife and I were in disbelief when they (school officials)
telephoned us and told us that's what they wanted to do,"
Loutzenheiser said. "We asked, 'Do you have the right kid?'"

In resulting talks with school officials, Loutzenheiser said he
learned that his son "often spoke favorably about the First and
Second Amendments, but the comment he made to his Social
Studies teacher was the one that triggered this action."

School officials told the couple that because of Derek's
comments he should be separated from the other students and
forced to enter the school's "Mentor" program, where he would
be studied by an adult supervisor who would monitor Derek's
thought processes.

"We were told that this would be in the best interest of my son,
and by doing this the school would not have to involve Social
Services," Loutzenheiser said. "We refused."

At that point, the couple contacted an attorney in nearby Grand
Rapids, Michigan -- one referred to them through the National
Rifle Association's Institute for Legislative Action. The
couple has also been told by a representative from the
Rutherford Institute, an international legal and educational
civil liberties organization, that "they would be willing to
take on this issue."

Loutzenheiser said when he and his wife, Shelly, arrived for the
Hazard Team meeting Mar. 8, "We were outnumbered 7 to 2." He
told WorldNetDaily that he wanted to make a good first
impression with the members, so he shook each member's hand and
introduced himself.

He also told them he had brought along a tape recorder and would
be taping the proceedings since none of the legal organizations
that said they would represent him could send a representative
to the meeting on such short notice.

"My wife and I both saw a transformation from 'smugness' ... to
looks of great concern on some of their faces," he said.

"What was odd about the purpose of this whole meeting," said
Loutzenheiser, "was that three of the team members were Derek's
teachers, and each of them said they didn't know there was any
'situation' with him. That got me to thinking, 'Then why are we
here?'"

However, and though "team" members denied it, the elder
Loutzenheiser said he believes teachers and school
administrative personnel began to form a bad impression of his
son when, in January of this year, the sixth grader refused to
sign a "Red Letter" vow of peace to celebrate Martin Luther
King's birthday.

"The letter, which was written by the principal," Loutzenheiser
said, "asked the students to take an oath to turn in their
friends for suspicious activity, to vow to never defend
themselves if attacked, and something to the effect of never to
use a gun or other weapons. Derek simply told the principal,
'I'm not signing that.'

"I think that's what got him 'noticed' by some of the
administrative staff at least," he said.

Of the meeting with "team" members, Loutzenheiser said, "We got
right to the point and determined that the charges against my
son are without merit. They all assured me that he is a
wonderful student, gets straight A's, and because he is a
little more advanced academically (at their suggestion he took
the ACT test and scored very well) they feel he may need an
'adult' to talk to about issues."

Loutzenheiser admitted he didn't know what team members were
implying about having Derek "talk to an adult about issues." He
added, "We were able to determine that because my son knows and
understands po

Re: [CTRL] (CTRL)Colleen's a self-proclaimed witch!

2000-01-22 Thread Dolly Spahni

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Eagle 1 How can ex-Masons be misinformed? Just like you they also lived
the life, so don't you think that they just might know what THEY'RE talking
about? Living a good life does not make you a Christian.  Good works does not
make a Christian. Only a personal relationship with Christ Jesus makes one a
true Christian.
How can you be so sure that these men and women are misinformed if you
haven't even checked out the site? What are you afraid of finding out?

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Re: [CTRL] (CTRL)Colleen's a self-proclaimed witch!

2000-01-22 Thread Dolly Spahni

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That's so silly!
THe rank and file Masons are just like anyone else and I'm certain that many
of them  are "good Xtians" too.
It's the 33's and the "inner circle" who have the agenda..



You're the one that's silly. If you knew anything at all about true
Christianity, you'd know you can't be a Freemason AND a Born Again Christian
at the same time. If you don't believe me, check out the site below, but only
do it if you don't mind being proved wrong.


 http://www.ephesians5-11.org/ex_masons_for_jesus/vision.htm">Ex-Maso
ns for Jesus - Our Ministry Vision

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Re: [CTRL] Colleen's a self-proclaimed witch!

2000-01-22 Thread Dolly Spahni

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Just because a person claims to BE a Christian..doesn't make them ONE!
True Christians have NEVER had anything to do with the murdering and torture
of innocent people. The enemies of Christ have always used us as their
scapegoat, and people who do not know any better, believe their lies.
If a person isn't Born Again in Christ, they are not a Christian. I get tired
of hearing the same old story about the Crusades, and every other atrocity in
history that evil men have blamed on us.
Bill Clinton claims to be a Christian, but it's a known fact that he's a
Freemason, and Freemasons hate Christians more than anyone else on this
earth. So, before laying the blame for these ungodly acts at the door of
Christianity, check out your facts.

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[CTRL] I Need Help w/ISP

2000-01-18 Thread Dolly Spahni

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I hate to write to the CTRL group about this, but I don't know who else to
ask, and I would think that some of ya'll would be in the know about ISP's. I
am currently using AOL as my ISP, and I tried EarthLink, but both of them
were very slow, and EarthLink was not very user friendly. I am looking for an
ISP that is not more than $22.00 a month, but offers at least 3 email
accounts and has a pretty fast connection and download speed, and is user
friendly. I have gone to many sites that tell about the ISP's but none of
them tell you what their customers think. If it wouldn't be too much trouble,
could you e-mail me if you currently have an ISP that fits this. I would
really appreciate it. Thank you so much for your time! Dolly

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Re: [CTRL] Letterman Secret Service 'Threat' Not a First for Hillary (fwd)

2000-01-13 Thread Dolly Spahni

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Re: [CTRL] Khazars

2000-01-09 Thread Dolly Spahni

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If believing in the Bible were the easy way out, I'm positive more people
would surely be doing it. It has nothing to do with ease, it has ALL to do
with PRIDE. You want to be the master of your own life. I've lived my life
the way your doing now, and I can tell you from experience that my life now
is infinitely better.
I live my life by faith, you live yours by works. If you're happy with that
choice, good for you.

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Re: [CTRL] Khazars

2000-01-09 Thread Dolly Spahni

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I don't feel believing and trusting in my Bible could be called apathy.  Man
always has their own agenda, and as far as I'm concerned, if they say or
write anything that is contrary to God's Word, it's FALSE. You've placed your
trust in man, but I place mine in God.

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Re: [CTRL] Khazars

2000-01-09 Thread Dolly Spahni

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I feel as long as God knows who the true Jewish people are, that's good
enough for me. I don't think it matters one little bit to God if there are
those who deny, or doubt the existence of His chosen people. When He's had
enough of mans inhumanity to man, everything will fall into place just the
way He wants it to, and the 12 Tribes of Israel will be in their promised
land, never to be scattered again.

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[CTRL] Check out Food and Drug Administration Home Page

2000-01-07 Thread Dolly Spahni

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Well, I checked out the FDA's website and they have some things about  new
efforts to help curb illegal prescription drug marketing on the Internet, but
we know that that will be just the first step. Give them an inch...
 http://www.fda.gov/">Click here: Food and Drug Administration Home
Page

I went ahead and emailed my congressmen to let them know that I do not want,
or need the FDA telling me how to run my life. I think we, as a nation, have
enough of that going on!

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Re: [CTRL] Fwd: [prj] International Jew Conspiracy

2000-01-04 Thread Dolly Spahni

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I have to admit that mine wasn't going to be either, but the Lord told me to
be nice.

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[CTRL] Fwd: [prj] International Jew Conspiracy

2000-01-04 Thread Dolly Spahni

In the Bible, the Lord God says that He will bless those that bless the Jews,
and curse those that curse the Jews. I don't think He's changed His mind.
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