Re: [CTRL] re : Shriners Scandalized by Sex Bash
-Caveat Lector- Hey, you wouldn't be laughing if you knew what those fez hats were REALLY for. David Icke territory? A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Leviticus
-Caveat Lector- Last year the good folk at the Landover Baptist Church (http://www.landoverbaptist.org) were having a Levitical Law Survivor Show, where a group of families had to live in one household together under strict Levitical law. The survivors would win a prize. On Fri, 2 Feb 2001 15:07:44 -0500 Aleisha Saba [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -Caveat Lector- Leave it to you BooHoo to come up with something so original - again, your style is so familiar.my you sound so intelligent when you quote G-d. Or is that God. So Dr. Laura never made Playboy did she? Anything for the buck - a nudist moralist but when it comes to homosexuality, she has seen the light. She has survived but then, different strokes for different folksthough she lost some advertisers, she did not lose her job and like Jerry Springer, where would he be, without an angel to keep the fight going. A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Census quote
-Caveat Lector- Here's a good quote for the next census spy the government sends to your front door" "And Satan stood up against Israel, and provoked David to number Israel, And David said to Joab and to the rulers of the people, Go, number Israel from Beersheba even to Dan; and bring the number of them to me, that I may know it. . . . And God was displeased with this thing; therefore he smote Israel. . . . So the Lord sent pestilence upon Israel: and there fell of Israel seventy thousand men" (1 Chronicles 21:1-14). http://leviathan.weblogs.com A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Architect of Lockerbie trial attacks guilty verdict
-Caveat Lector- They should try coming to one of the crooked courts in Victoria, where you will be convicted even if the prosecution fails to show up on the day, or even better the charges will be thrown out but it will later be claimed that you were convicted, and you won't be able to prove otherwise. As long as all the Judges are freemasons, and crooked, what do people expect? I was surprised they didn't convict them both. On Sun, 4 Feb 2001 01:17:46 EST William Shannon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/et?ac=000339931511020rtmo=kCJ31kLpatmo=; pg=/et/01/2/4/nlock04.html Architect of Lockerbie trial attacks guilty verdict By Jenny Booth THE Scots law professor who masterminded the Lockerbie trial in the Netherlands has launched a scathing attack on the judges for finding the defendant guilty on "very, very weak" evidence. Professor Robert Black described the decision by three Scottish judges to convict Abdelbaset Ali Mohmed Al Megrahi, a Libyan secret serviceman, of the murder of 270 people when Pan Am flight 103 exploded over Lockerbie as "astonishing". He warned that the bomber stands a better-than-average chance of being acquitted on appeal. Professor Black, a former judge with 13 years' experience and Scotland's leading expert on criminal procedure and evidence, said that in his view the Crown case had failed to comply with strict Scottish legal rules - tougher than English law - that evidence be corroborated. Professor Black said: "I thought this was a very, very weak circumstantial case. I am absolutely astounded, astonished. I was extremely reluctant to believe that any Scottish judge would convict anyone, even a Libyan, on the basis of such evidence." Professor Black's reservations will fuel the concerns of bereaved families that, despite the criminal trial, the truth is yet to emerge about the Lockerbie bombing. At a hushed press conference in London the day after the verdict, Martin Cadman, whose son Bill died in the bombing, said: "We have our doubts about the guilt of Megrahi and that will have to remain the subject of any appeal to come. The appeal will hold us up for another year or so before we can have an inquiry into the truth of who was responsible and what the motive was." The chief spokesman for the families, Dr Jim Swire, a former army explosives expert, produced a bomb timer to illustrate why he found it hard to believe the Crown's version of events. He said that the timing of the explosion, 38 minutes after the aircraft took off from Heathrow and while the jet was still over land, made the bomb more likely to have been detonated by a crude pressure-activated timer, such as those used by the Palestinian terror group operating in Germany under the command of Ahmed Jibril, than by a sophisticated 999-hour electronic timer of the type bought by Libyan secret services from MeBo, a Swiss arms firm. Professor Black's concerns are likely to be seized upon by Colonel Muammar Gaddafi to back claims of Libya's innocence of the bombing. Professor Black A HREF="http://www.telegraph.co.uk/et?ac=000339931511020rtmo=LxiNh7ddatmo=pg=/et/97/12/22/nlock22.html" devised the unique format of the Lockerbie trial/A, which A HREF="http://www.telegraph.co.uk/et?ac=000339931511020rtmo=LxiNh7ddatmo=pg=/et/98/8/24/nloc24.html"was held in a neutral country/A without a jury, and campaigned alongside the bereaved families for its acceptance by Libya, America and Britain. Megrahi has a further 11 days to lodge an appeal, which would probably be heard in the same courtroom in Camp Zeist, in front of a bench of five judges, over about two weeks in late summer. The appeal bench is expected to be chaired by Lord Cullen, Scotland's second most senior judge. Under ordinary circumstances, barely a handful of appeals against conviction ever succeed in the Scottish courts, but Professor Black said that the unique circumstances of the trial meant that Megrahi stood a better chance. A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL
Re: [CTRL] Nazi Firearms Law and the Disarming of the German Jews
-Caveat Lector- "Germany's defeat in World War I heralded the demise of the Second Reich and the birth of the Weimar republic" What innacurate rubbish. The Second Reich was Napoleonic France. The first was, of course, the Roman Empire. A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] GUN REFRESHER COURSE
-Caveat Lector- On Wed, 31 Jan 2001 17:46:37 - "c." [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -Caveat Lector- it hasn't been that succesful johannes because comprehensive checkpoints surrounding london are an impossible task. the police clai to use intelligence to know when to use such tactics. i am sure no-one has too much of a problem reaching buck house :) Rubbish. Do you think with the amounts that are spent on the Police and Secret Service they can't keep one city under surveillance? And sure, anyone can wander up to Buckingham palace but when was the last time someone did so armed with more than a pocket knife? This extensive surveillance was why so many people were surprised at the mortar attack on MI 6 HQ last year. Of course it's not infallible, but like I originally said London is under more physical and electronic surveillance than any other city in the world. A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Atlas Shr
-Caveat Lector-
I saw the Iron Sheik on Jerry Springer a couple of months back. It was an episode
where loudmouth husbands got to meet the men their wives were having affairs with, and
the Sheik was still claiming he never lost by submission to Hulk Hogan.
Bob Backlund ran (unsuccessfully) for congress last year, his platform that people
should learn a new word from the dictionary every day couldn't defeat corporate soft
money unfortuantely. The web page is at
http://www.backlund2000.com/
These are the important things you would know if you read
http://leviathan.weblogs.com
On Wed, 31 Jan 2001 13:58:48 -0500 Kelly [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
-Caveat Lector-
http://modernhumorist.com/mh/0101/rand/
Atlas Shr - A glimpse into an alternate universe where Ayn Rand's
books are all 400 pages shorter
1. ALAN GREENSPAN finished reading Ayn Rand's complete works
seven years earlier. He advanced more quickly into Rand's inner
circle, began his career as an economist in the mid-1960s, and became
chairman of the Federal Reserve Board in 1971. Thanks to his earlier
leadership, there was no oil crisis or recession in the 70s. As a
result, widespread vilification of Arab culture by working class
Americans never came to pass, and the professional wrestling
scapegoat known as The Iron Sheik was never created. This allowed
wrestler Bob Backlund to retain the WWF championship belt in 1983.
2. COLLEGE FRESHMEN vowing to read longest book they could find
in the library, turned not to "Atlas Shrugged" but to the unabridged
"Notre-Dame de Paris." One of these students went on to a position of
power at Walt Disney Pictures, where he nipped in the bud an
ill-conceived plan for an animated version of "The Hunchback of Notre
Dame," thus leaving collaborators Alan Menken and Stephen Schwartz
free to work on other projects. Schwartz signed on for a "Pippin"
revival in Liverpool. Bernie Taupin, who had been competing with
Schwartz for the job, was so distraught over not getting it that he
began drinking again, and was in no condition to adapt the lyrics for
"Candle in the Wind" when Princess Diana passed away. Elton John's
own attempt at reworking the lyrics failed to take the world by storm
("Oh Princess Diana / we won't see you mañana") and the international
land mine treaty was never ratified. While crossing the Iran-Iraq
boarder, The Iron Sheik stepped on a mine and was mortally wounded.
On his deathbed, he admitted that he cheated in the 1983 championship
match and insisted that the title be returned to Bob Backlund.
3. RAND'S MORE CONCISE and artistically potent edition of "The
Fountainhead" made for a much better screenplay when it was adapted
in 1949. Galvanized by the script, Gary Cooper turned in the greatest
performance of his career, inspiring many young film-goers to move to
Hollywood and become actors themselves, including the young Iron
Sheik, who settled into a comfortable if undistinguished television
career instead of becoming a pro wrestler. Bob Backlund easily
defeated Greg Valentine in 1983.
4. THE BOOK "ANTHEM," being only 235 pages, was never written,
and so the Canadian power trio Rush never recorded their
"Anthem"-inspired album "2112." Due to the artistic hole gnawing at
him, drummer/lyricist Neil Peart felt stunted, dropped out of the
band, became an alcoholic, and killed the Iron Sheik in a drunk
driving accident on the eve of the 1983 championship match, and Bob
Backlund retained the belt.
5. INFORMED BY SEVERAL PUBLISHERS that "We the Living" was about
400 pages too short, Ayn tried to pad her first manuscript with a new
preface discussing the European impact of the Bolshevik revolution.
During her research at the Gregorian University in Rome, she met a
handsome young student named Albino Luciani. Though she was a married
woman and he was ordained a priest, they were able to keep their
torrid affair a secret until Albino was elected Pope in 1978, taking
the name John Paul I. Almost immediately, an embittered Nathaniel
Branden released his memoir "My Year with Ayn Rand." The ensuing
scandal forced John Paul I to choose between his office and the woman
he loved, and he abdicated after only 33 days as pontiff. His
successor Kozrow Vaziri took the name "Pope the Iron Sheik," but died
on his first day. Kozrow's legacy was honored by his successor Karol
Wojtyla who became "Pope the Iron Sheik II", as prophesized in the
third and fifth secrets of Fatima. Last year, Bob Backlund ran for
U.S. Senator from Connecticut.
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Re: [CTRL] [nandotimes] O'Hair disappearance--FBI believes remains are missing atheist leader
-Caveat Lector- From: "Aleisha Saba" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Well Tenorlove - this item on O'Hai you might find interesting - looks almost like a Mafia job. Too sloppy. If the mafia had done it, the remains would never have been found, ala Jimmy Hoffa and Judge Crater They apparently located the remains by heavying one of the guys suspected of the murder until he showed them where the bodies were. I'd guess he made an agreement with them to get a lenient sentence (if not immunity) for his co-operation, which is the way most mobsters behave nowadays. What attracted these killers to O'Hairshe did hae some gold pieces and I wonder from where. She claimed to be an anarchist - and had a few followersbut someone took a great deal of time and trouble to put this woman to death - and it sure wasn't over money. What I find strange is that it took a year before she was reported missing. I can understand why it took the sone that long to contact the police, since he was estranged from his mother and supposedly did not keep in close touch with her. But you would think that at least one of the many people who worked for and with her in her organizations would have reported her disappearance. Didn't she have one friend in the world who cared about her welfare? This was a genuine mystery, one of the most perplexing of last century. She was a fairly reclusive person, and had had threats, so most people seemed to assume she was in hiding. A witness at the murder trial claimed to have seen her in Eastern Europe (presumably he was mistaken). There was even an article in Steamshovel I think (or maybe Paranoia) suggesting she might be hiding out with Larry Flynt working on some project. Phil Donahue made great efforts to find her as a guest for his final show (she was on the first one) but despite numerous detectives combing the globe was unsuccesful. A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Watergate verdict
-Caveat Lector- The sort of news you will read at htp://leviathan.weblogs.com Bookmark it! Make it your homepage! Make it someone else's homepage! http://www.theage.com.au/news/2001/02/03/FFXQMFD7PIC.html Jury deadlock on Watergate call-girl theory By MANUEL ROIG-FRANZIA BALTIMORE Saturday 3 February 2001 The wildcat notion that the Watergate burglary was intended to cover up a call-girl ring has been catapulted out of the realm of fringe conspiracy theories by a deadlocked jury that leant heavily towards siding with the scenario's leading proponent, Gordon Liddy. Four hours after the jury announced that it could not reach a verdict, United States District Court judge Frederick Motz dismissed a defamation lawsuit filed against Mr Liddy by Ida "Maxie" Wells, a Louisiana college teacher who was a secretary at the Democratic National Committee headquarters during the Watergate break-in. Mr Liddy has said in at least two speeches that John Dean, a lawyer for former president Richard Nixon, orchestrated the break-in to steal pictures of scantily clad prostitutes, including Dean's then girlfriend, Maureen Biner, from Ms Wells' desk. After seven hours of deliberation, jurors said they were deadlocked at 7-2, with occasional 8-1 votes. The jury's votes reflected the majority's belief that Ms Wells' lawyers failed to disprove Mr Liddy's statements about the call-girl theory and the pictures that were supposedly kept in her desk. The three-week trial was the first courtroom test of the call-girl theory, which also is espoused by the authors of several revisionist histories. The outcome means that Mr Liddy, whose conservative radio talk show is syndicated nationally on 200 stations, will be able to continue talking about Ms Wells and his theory. Mr Liddy and his lawyers said the resolution vindicated their contention that further examination was needed of the conventional theory that the Watergate break-in was designed to collect political information about Mr Nixon's Democratic opponents. "John Dean has just had a stake driven through his heart, and I pounded it in there," Mr Liddy, 70, said as he left the courtroom. David Dorsen, a lawyer for Ms Wells, said she probably would appeal. Ms Wells, who testified in the first week of the trial, cast herself as a naive girl from Mississippi before moving to Washington. She said Mr Liddy's comments hurt her reputation. - WASHINGTON POST A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] What the heck?
-Caveat Lector- I must have missed them. I think this guy and his friends are English, nominally. Certainly in very bad taste. On Wed, 31 Jan 2001 06:06:00 -0800 Tenorlove [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -Caveat Lector- --- Johannes Schmidt III [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Could this be a CIA psy-op or something? According to several previous posts to this list (search the archives using "Jonestown") this is indeed the case. __ Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail - only $35 a year! http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Morning-after pill flops in Canada
-Caveat Lector- Probably because they use the standard birth control pills, which i'd imagine are considerably cheaper than $5. Is that per pill or for a bottle? And also it seems to have required a prescription. How many women are going to go to their GP and ask for a morning after pill prescription? They will probably get alecture on the dangers of STDs etc. On Wed, 31 Jan 2001 08:40:27 -0500 Kelly [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -Caveat Lector- [I seriously thought this was from the Onion at first! Kelly] http://www.nationalpost.com/ January 31, 2001 Sales to stop as morning-after pill proves a flop Minuscule demand Mary Vallis National Post A British pharmaceutical company is discontinuing sales of its so-called morning-after pill in Canada because not enough women are buying it. Shire Inc. has sold less than 10% of its Preven emergency contraceptive kits since the product first hit Canadian pharmacies in October, 1999, even though the company slashed its price from $22 to $5 last year. "This is a huge disappointment for me," Joseph Rus, chief executive officer of Shire Canada Inc., the company's Canadian subsidiary, said yesterday. "I'm totally puzzled ... I'm just not sure if there's anything at all that I could have done differently." [Perhaps he should advocate a Just say No to Condoms campaign!] Preven, the first morning-after pill to become available in Canada, became part of the debate over when human life begins. Anti-abortion groups say the drug is the equivalent of an early abortion because it can prevent a fertilized egg from implanting in the wall of the uterus. Preven's supporters argue it works as a contraceptive because it prevents pregnancies but does not affect fertilized eggs already lodged in the uterine wall. According to IMS Health, an independent organization that tracks drug sales, national sales of Preven peaked in retail pharmacies in July, 2000, when an estimated 684 kits were sold. Mr. Rus expects the company to lose $1.5-million on unsold kits, which will expire in storage without reaching pharmacy shelves. The reasons for the pill's failure are a mystery, Mr. Rus said. It had the support of Planned Parenthood and the Society of Obstetricians and Gynaecologists. Mr. Rus said many factors could have contributed to the product's poor sales. A lack of awareness among women, the unwillingness of doctors to prescribe it and the vocal resistance of anti-abortion groups are all potential factors, he said. "This is unfortunate news," Thirza Smith, president of the Society of Obstetricians and Gynaecologists of Canada, said from Saskatchewan. "There is no reason why emergency contraception should not be more readily available." John Hof, president of the B.C. branch of Campaign Life Coalition, said he worries Shire may not be telling the whole story. "All over the world, there's a push on to make the morning-after pill available in schools, in Planned Parenthood clinics, in every pharmacy -- Britain, the United States and France are all pushing the morning-after pill," he said. "And now Shire can't sell it? There's got to be a reason." The Preven kit includes a pregnancy test, sets of pills to be taken 12 hours apart and an instruction booklet. The first set of drugs can be taken up to 72 hours after unprotected sex. News of Preven's discontinuation reached Canadian pharmacists this week through a company posting in a national industry newsletter. It comes months after a Montreal company launched another morning-after pill called Plan B. Morning-after pills have been available to women in British Columbia without a doctor's prescription since last fall. There, pharmacists, using their own discretion, can give the drug to women. Some pharmacists, however, are torn over whether they should distribute the pills, claiming they do not want to enter the moral and ethical fray surrounding emergency contraception. "A lot of us do not feel it is our job to help a woman end a pregnancy," said Cristina Alarcon of B.C. Pharmacists for Conscience. Controversy over the product is raging worldwide. In the United States, Wal-Mart has refused to sell the kit. And this week, Britain's House of Lords rejected an attempt to ban over-the-counter sales of the morning-after pills. A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's
Re: [CTRL] GUN REFRESHER COURSE
-Caveat Lector- The city of London is under the most intensive electronic surveillance of any civilian city in the world. There are cameras, satellites, listening devices, infra-red, you name it. It sall to prevent (ostensibly) IRA attacks, and has been remarkably succesful. I've also read accounts that a great many cars entering London are searched by checkpoints, not to mention boats and planes. On Tue, 30 Jan 2001 21:20:39 -0800 Ynr Chyldz Wyld [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -Caveat Lector- From: "Carl Amedio" [EMAIL PROTECTED] cameras every ten feet? LOL surely you jest, carl, you obviously haven't been here I just watched a BBC program on the complete loss of privacy in UK. The fact you pooh pooh this says volumes. Enjoy the gulag. There is a show on PBS called "Mystery", which shows primarily British imports. About a year ago on one of these imports, "Prime Suspect", a case of child rape/murder was solved due to these cameras. A big deal was made about how the suspect would never have been caught if it weren't for the fact that the suspect's car was caught on one of these cameras, showing the suspect was at the location of the crime at the time the crime was committed, when the suspect seemingly had an alibi for being elsewhere. I thought at the time that it was very interesting that this British show presented these cameras so matter-of-factly, and indeed I got the impression the whole plot twist of the cameras being used to solve a horrific crime was orchestrated to help "sell" the idea of these cameras... June A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Green Goo in NZ
-Caveat Lector- This is the sort of important story I feature daily at my website, http://leviathan.weblogs.com from http://www.nzherald.co.nz/irnstorydisplay.cfm?storyID=36675newsection=3 Bright green "goo" troubles Aucklanders 31.01.2001 19:45 A bright green "goo" - as described by motorists - has caught the attention of the Auckland Regional Council tonight. The substance is floating on water near the Upper Harbour Bridge, and the Council says the liquid appears to have come off the land. Pollution Control Officer, Sarah Yarrow says workers are trying to block the substance, so that it doesn't flow under the bridge into the harbour. She says a sucker truck will be brought in to have the stuff removed, at which time it will be analysed and traced. Sarah Yarrow says the bright green liquid doesn't have any immediate acidic effects, and doesn't have any odour. She says it could be some sort of dye. A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] What the heck?
-Caveat Lector- As seen at my wonderful and informative website http://leviathan.weblogs.com Could this be a CIA psy-op or something? http://www.jonestownreenactment.org/ http://www.sunday-times.co.uk/news/pages/sti/2000/05/14/stinwenws02036.html Arts group to replay massacre in park Richard Brooks, Arts Editor THE Institute of Contemporary Arts is to stage a re-enactment in a London park this summer of the 1978 Jonestown massacre in which more than 900 followers of the Rev Jim Jones committed suicide. Vivienne Gaskin, the ICA's director of live arts, said the aim was "to counter the popular misconception that Jones was simply demonic, evil and without humanity". She said: "He's remembered mainly for the mass suicide in Guyana, but we really want to look at what happened before." The plan has infuriated survivors as well as cult experts and local residents. "I think on principle it is distasteful and disturbing to do something that glamorises or sanitises the image of someone who caused the deaths of so many," said Ayman Akshar, the director of Triumph Over London Cults. "People do get attracted to join cults after seeing such images in films or public displays. They feel, 'Let's give it a try.' It is a sense of adventure and danger." Still life: the ICA courted controversy before with this exhibit featuring Sophie Dahl On May 26, Graeme Edler, who has appeared in The Bill and Brookside, will play Jones at the ICA and read some of his political and religious sermons from the mid-1970s, when thousands of followers flocked to his People's Temple in San Francisco. It will include one of the sham "miracle healings" he often performed. At the end of July, however, the ICA is taking its art outside. In a re-enactment of the final days in Guyana, several hundred people will play the followers who committed suicide after drinking Kool-Aid laced with potassium cyanide. The ICA is negotiating to use Coin Street, on the South Bank, or Meanwhile Gardens, in Westbourne Grove. "Why on earth are they doing it?" asked Tom Bower, 52, who lives near Meanwhile Gardens. One of the Jonestown survivors, Deborah Layton, who followed Jones to Guyana in her twenties, wrote an account of her experiences, Seductive Poison, which was published last year. Layton left Guyana six months before the November 1978 mass suicide, which, in a sworn affidavit in America, she correctly predicted. "I don't think that Jim Jones was evil at the beginning but he clearly became utterly psychotic when they went to Guyana," she said. The ICA's re-enactment will largely omit the fact that Jones was a womaniser who forced some of his female followers into sex. "I accept absolutely that Jones abused women," said Gaskin. "But this is not really what our re-enactment is about." The ICA, which has a history of provoking controversy with plays about the Moors murders and art installations including soiled nappies, as well as a cosmetics display featuring Sophie Dahl, is seeking a £7,000 grant from the London Arts Board for the re-enactment. Almost a third of the ICA's £3m budget comes from public funds. The insititute, based in the Mall near Admiralty Arch, initially sought funds from Benetton, the clothes firm known for its confrontational adverts, but was turned down. Trevor Phillips, former chairman of the London Arts Board and now chairman of the London assembly, was born and raised in Guyana. "The ICA often comes up with weird, whacky, what seem bizarre and bonkers ideas," he said. "Who knows about this one? But sometimes some of these bizarre and bonkers things turn out to be good and interesting performance art." Charles Krause, a journalist then with the Washington Post who was first on the scene after the mass suicide, said: "I would support their right to artistic expression, but I would want to ask some tough questions about their purpose in doing it." Rod Dickinson, the artist who is creating the Jonestown events for the ICA, argues that his re-enactments "explore the paradoxes of Jones: he was not deranged but was clearly very manipulative". He has recruited about 200 people to play the followers of Jones by advertising on the internet and in Fortean Times. "I see our re-creation of the Guyana death scene as being like the CND die-ins in the early 1980s," he said, when anti-nuclear protesters sometimes staged "fake" deaths by lying down in the streets. Dickinson admitted there was no particular reason for re-enacting Jonestown now except that "it was such an iconic event", which had been followed by similar mass deaths at Waco, Texas, and recently in Uganda. A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright
Re: [CTRL] FW: [RWWATCH] Missouri Official Denied Holocaust (Under Ashcroft Tenure)
-Caveat Lector- Maybe it isn't feasible to gas and then burn all those people? This executioner guy would presumably know something about it. And don't you think it's a bit extreme to find people who gave unpopular expert testimony then try and get them fired from their jobs and harassed? How would you liek it if you were put on trial, and when you tried to hire expert witnesses they were too afraid of the government putting them on trial? Sounds like Soviet Russia to me. On Fri, 26 Jan 2001 08:48:43 -0800 Nessie [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -Caveat Lector- -Original Message- From: Rich Cowan Sent: Fri 1/26/2001 7:11 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: Subject:[RWWATCH] Missouri Official Denied Holocaust (Under Ashcroft Tenure) Here is a tidbit sent to me when I was down in DC for the inauguration. It might be worth looking into these articles from the Star and Post Dispatch. If anyone can help dig them up, please email the text of the stories to [EMAIL PROTECTED] thanks Jan! -rich Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2001 09:46:53 -0500 From: "Jan B. Tucker" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [RWWATCH] Good Luck! People who know me know that I rarely -- if ever -- forget anything. This is when this trait comes in handy. John Ashcroft was Governor of Missouri in from January 1985 to January 1993. During his tenure, William Armentrout III was Warden of the State Penitentiary and Chief Executioner of the State of Missouri. In 1985, Ernst Zundel -- infamous Holocaust Denier (just put in the name in any search engine and see what you find) -- was on trial in Canada for promoting hate in violation of the Canadian anti-hate law. Guess who testified for the defense? William Armentrout, Chief Executioner of the State of Missouri, who got up and claimed that it was impossible to gas all those millions of people. I got it exposed around that time period in the state of Missouri. If I recall correctly, I got the story on page one of the Kansas City Star and the St. Louis Post Dispatch. What exactly did Governor Ashcroft do about this? Armentrout should have been fired. He wasn't. Was he disciplinedI don't think so. Spread the word about this. People in the Senate need to start asking Ashcroft what he did about the Armentrout-Zundel affair. Jan Tucker Organizers' Collaborative PO Box 400897, Cambridge MA 02140 [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.organizenow.net |- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - This message was sent via RWWATCH, a low-traffic forum that responds to right-wing campaigns (coming from any party) to misrepresent the truth in order to undermine democracy. info page www.topica.com/lists/rwwatch subscribe: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (send a blank email) unsubscribe: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Organizers' Collaborative (OC) home page: www.organizenow.net Organizers' Collaborative PO Box 400897, Cambridge MA 02140 |- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Please support our efforts to foster online communication and resource sharing by social change groups. All contributions to OC are tax-deductible. T O P I C A -- Learn More. Surf Less. Newsletters, Tips and Discussions on Topics You Choose. http://www.topica.com/partner/tag01 A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by
[CTRL] Truth and Slang
-Caveat Lector-
Mature people don't ask for proof. They find out the truth for
themselves. Prudy
Truth, like Art, is in the eye of the beholder.
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"I am a jelly donut." - John F. Kennedy ("Ich bin ein
berliner")
Reminds me of a speech by our former PM Bob Hawke to some Japanese dignitaries,
stating that they should not play 'funny buggers' over trade issues. After a pause
this was translated as 'laughing homosexuals'.
An equivalently funny event is when people misstate such slang, such as when an idiot
at my former place of work told a colleague he 'didn't want to piss in her pants' (!)
presumably meaning he didn't want to piss in her pockets, a slang expression meaning
to BS someone.
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Re: [CTRL] WHITE HOUSE OFFICES LEFT 'TRASHED': PORN BOMBS.......
-Caveat Lector- When our previous State government was unexpectedly voted out, one of the many juvenile things they did was to get several thousand filing cabinet keys and threw them all in one big pile, unlabelled. Plus the usual obscene messages being left on government answering machines, beepers and mobile phones. A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Indian Army chief died in crash in '45
-Caveat Lector- This is the sort of important article I feature daily at http://leviathan.weblogs.com http://www.the-hindu.com/stories/0129000d.htm Netaji died in 1945 air-crash: Japanese doctor LONDON, JAN. 28. Controversy over the death of Netaji Subhas Chandra Bose has ``ended'' with a Japanese doctor, who attended on him, certifying that the Indian National Army (INA) chief died on August 18, 1945, a few hours after getting injured in a plane crash. The first hand account of how Bose was brought in a serious condition to a military hospital in Taihoku, Formosa, Japan, how he breathed his last and where his ashes were kept was narrated by Dr. Taneyoshi Yoshimi. Dr. Yoshimi, captain (medical) of the Imperial Japanese Army, was interviewed by British Intelligence in Hong Kong after the Japanese surrender. Narrating the event, the doctor who now resides in northern Japan, said Bose died of ``extensive burns and shock.'' The doctor said, ``in August, 1945, I was the senior officer at Nanmon Military Hospital. At about 1700 hrs on 18th of August, a truck arrived before the hospital containing several men who had been injured in a plane-crash. Two of the men were Indians, and about five or six were Japanese. A Japanese staff officer with the rank of Lt. Colonel whose name I believe was Ishii, pointed at one of the Indians and informed me that it was Bose and that I must give him the very best of treatment.'' `` I personally cleaned his injuries and dressed them. He was suffering from extensive burns over the whole of his body though the most serious were those on his head, chest and thighs. There was very little left on his head in the way of hair or other identification marks. During the first four hours he was semi- conscious, and speaking quite a good deal. The first words I spoke to him were in Japanese, when he made a request for water. As Bose spoke mostly in English, a request for an interpreter was made, and one Nakamura was sent from the civil government offices. He told me that he had very often interpreted for Bose and appeared to have no doubt that the man he was speaking with was Bose,'' Dr. Yoshimi said. During the treatment, the doctor said he had inquired whether Bose was in any pain, but the latter gave no reply. ``After four hours, I inquired whether there was any statement, will, or such matter he wished to make. He answered `nothing'. After the fourth hour, he went unconscious. He murmured and muttered in a state of coma. At about 2300 hrs, he died.'' The other Indian was Bose's adjutant, a Colonel of INA, who was suffering from burns to the sides of his head, arms, hands and knees. ``I do not remember his name, but recall that it was a very long one. He was tall, medium built, and clean shaven,'' Dr. Yoshimi said. ``It was the wish of this Colonel and also that of the authorities that the remains of Bose be transported to Tokyo. I injected Formalin into the body and also had the coffin partly filled with lime. It was put in a box, and on August 20th, was taken to Taihoku airport for transportation to Japan, under the charge of Warrant Officer, Nishi. The officer later returned and informed me that the body could not be taken to Japan for unknown reasons, and was to be sent to crematorium.'' ``I, therefore, made out a death certificate, stating the causes of death to be extensive burns and shock,'' Dr. Yoshimi said, adding that the orders for the change of plans came from the adjutant's department, Taiwan Army. ``On the morning of August 19th, Colonel Miyata, staff officer of General Ando, came to the hospital to express mourning. The news of the death was kept a secret, and I and my staff were warned not to divulge that. The news, as far as I can remember, was published in the Public Press early in September, 1945,'' Dr. Yoshimi said. The aircraft carrying Bose, his adjutant and about twelve others (Japanese), took off from Taihoku airport, and after rising to a height of about 30 feet, had suddenly burst into flames and crashed to the ground. ``A Major-General, Shidei, and two others were killed. The others were rescued and brought to the Nanmon Hospital. The two pilots were burnt, but after remaining in my care for about three weeks, recovered, and transferred to Hokuto Military Hospital where I later heard they had died. The Indian Colonel, adjutant to Bose, remained in my care for about 10 days, and was then sent to the hospital. The interpreter, Nakamura, went up there with him, and I have no knowledge of what became of either of them. I do know, however, that the ashes of Bose were handed over to the Indian Colonel.'' The ashes were subsequently kept at Tokyo's Renkoji temple, Dr. Yoshimi said. - PTI A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease!
Re: [CTRL] Ex-First Lady Hillary Keeps No-Eye-Contact Rule
-Caveat Lector- Perhaps she doesn't want her reptoid eyes setting people on fire? On Wed, 24 Jan 2001 11:07:34 -0500 Kelly [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -Caveat Lector- This sounds exactly like a story I read years ago about Diana Ross of the Supremes. Kelly kl wrote: -Caveat Lector- http://www.newsmax.com/archive/print.shtml?a=2001/1/22/111821 NewsMax.com Monday, Jan. 22, 2001 12:18 p.m. EST Ex-First Lady Hillary Keeps No-Eye-Contact Rule She may no longer be first lady. But even as a senator, Hillary Clinton is apparently determined to keep her royal distance from us commoners. A leading conservative columnist has now corroborated earlier reports of Mrs. Clinton's reluctance to make eye contact with her associates - and reveals that the behavior is ongoing. In October NewsMax.com cited a report from WABC Talk Radio's Steve Malzberg, who said a friend at another New York radio station claimed that when Hillary dropped by for an interview, strict orders were issued. "No one is to make eye contact with the first lady," the source said station employees were told. In his book "Unlimited Access," former White House FBI agent Gary Aldrich reported that a similar edict had been issued to White House staff. When one admiring aide who didn't get the word rushed up to meet her Hillaryness, he was immediately rebuffed with an ice-cold stare that let him know he was way out of line. A friend, says Aldrich, explained the new rule to the crestfallen staffer: "When 'Queen Hillary' walks down the hall, you're not supposed to look at her. You're actually supposed to go into an office if there is one nearby. She doesn't want staff 'seeing' her." Now, renowned conservative columnist Robert Novak reports that Queen Hillary's Senate colleagues are getting the same treatment. "At the first session of the Senate Environment and Public Works Committee attended by Sen. Hillary Clinton, a senior Republican senator Wednesday tested the report that it is impossible to make eye contact with her." "He said the report turned out to be true," Novak wrote in his Sunday column. -- The real argument against aristocracy is that it always means the rule of the ignorant. For the most dangerous of all forms of ignorance is ignorance of work. - G. K. Chesterton, NY Sun 11-3-18 A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A
Re: [CTRL] A Question.....
-Caveat Lector- I don't know what it takes, but Reagan and Bush both did it. They simply stop all funds to family planning agencies in countries where abortions are permitted. It seems strange to stop allowing birth control to be taught in order to reduce abortions, but it is much admired by the Catholic Church. Actually it was part of their deal with the Vatican to prevent funding to countries which taught birth control education to poor people, which was how the got the Vatican's help overthrowing communism in Poland and elsewhere. Wasn't it Romania where the law forbade both birth control and abortion which resulted in the horrific orphanage conditions with babies dying one after the other, and toddlers who spent their lives in barred beds. No, it wasn't. Birth control was legal there but in very short supply (as were many items under communism). Romania had one of the world's highest (if not the highest) rate of abortion under the Ceacescu regime, with 'abortion factories' were women were literally put on a production line staffed by doctors who processed them one after another. The terrible numbers and conditions of orphans is largely due to the emigration of parents to the west, the imprisonment or killing of parents and even (dare i suggest) the destruction of family values under Romanian Communism. A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Russia's blue water blues
-Caveat Lector- Maybe whatever REALLY sank the top of the line nuclear submarine has eaten all the fish in that area also. Robot Sea Monsters? http://leviathan.weblogs.com http://www.sjgames.com/inwo/lists/il_html3.html On Tue, 23 Jan 2001 06:12:09 -0800 Tenorlove [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -Caveat Lector- I don't know if it is a conspiracy or not, but right after the Kursk went down, the price of North Atlantic fish like cod, flounder, and sole skyrocketed. The Kursk is down in a prime cod-fishing area. Tenorlove __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - Buy the things you want at great prices. http://auctions.yahoo.com/ A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Urgent warning on global warming
-Caveat Lector- This is hogwash. Because some industrial nations haven't gone along with the CFR's plans, they come up with some ridiculous scare tactics like this just before the conference? Give me a break. Notice they don't even address whether or not the temperature is rising, just start claiming it will rise much higher than predicted. On Tue, 23 Jan 2001 01:56:17 -0800 radman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -Caveat Lector- Urgent warning on global warming http://news.ft.com/ft/gx.cgi/ftc?pagename=Viewc=Articlecid=FT3E6B769IClive=truetagid=ZZZC19QUA0Csubheading=asia%20pacific By Vanessa Houlder in London January 21 2001 The world's leading climate scientists will on Monday sound an urgent warning about the threat posed by global warming, in a report which predicts that the planet could heat up by nearly 6°C this century. The report by the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC), a panel of experts established by the United Nations, is significantly harder-hitting in its conclusions about the extent and causes of climate change than previous official assessments. The verdict of the world's most authoritative voice on global warming is likely to have a powerful impact on the debate about climate change, which is still viewed with scepticism in some quarters. Many scientists and policymakers hope the report will bring an added urgency to attempts to rescue the climate change talks that collapsed in The Hague in November. The international effort to finalise the 1997 Kyoto Protocol on curbing greenhouse gas emissions is due to be resumed at a meeting in late spring or summer. Several hundred experts and government reviewers gathered in Shanghai last Wednesday for four days to approve the final wording of the 1,000-page report and its summary, which will be published today. The review, known as the IPCC's Third Assessment Report, will predict an increase in surface temperatures of between nearly 1.5°C and 5.8°C by 2100. A previous IPCC assessment in 1995 estimated the increase would be between 1°C and 3.5°C. The deterioration in the worst-case forecast is largely a perverse side effect of an expected improvement in air quality. Researchers are expecting a fall in emissions of sulphur dioxide, which offsets global warming, as a result of attempts to curb smog and acid rain. The projected temperature increase, which would be the most rapid change in the last 10,000 years, is expected to result in rising sea levels and greater incidence of floods, droughts and fires. The review also goes further than previous reports in pinning the blame for global warming on greenhouse gas emissions. It reports that "new and stronger evidence that most of the observed warming of the last 50 years is attributable to human activities". By contrast, the 1995 assessment described "a discernible human influence" on global warming. A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] (no subject)
-Caveat Lector- Theres a lot of REALLY STUPID people out there, and a lot of them are Christians. A friend was telling me just the other day that some years ago, her mother sold her house and donated everything she owned to Oral Roberts in the US, then had to come and live with them because she was destitute. Add in the wills that people sign giving their estates to various religious hucksters, and there are plenty of bucks in televangelism. On Fri, 19 Jan 2001 12:39:14 EST "Prudence L. Kuhn" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -Caveat Lector- In a message dated 01/18/2001 9:51:30 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Oh god it's happening again! Gulp. Saba is right. Speeches and CNN don't really pay enough to account for his being a multi millionaire. Besides hanging out with guys who screw chicks in office, and screwing chicks in the office, what does this elite CFR scumbag actually DO? I've always wondered about Billy Graham too. I don't mean his morals. I'll give him the benefit of the doubt on that, but just who pays him enough to wear those super expensive suits and be constantly in company of the super rich. If speeches and television appearances don't really pay enough, what do these guys do for pocket change. I know Christ espoused poverty, but none of our Evangelicals have ever said they didn't live in the lap of luxury. It has to be a good job. Didn't Billy Graham's kid give up his life of carousing to take up the family business? Prudy A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Fwd: WW: Clinton Accepts 5-Year Law Suspension
-Caveat Lector- Last I heard the Arkansas Bar was planning on revoking his law license. Pretty good effort, he couldn't have done much better if he just pardoned himself and be done with it. A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Vaccines and Autism
-Caveat Lector- http://www.telegraph.co.uk/et?ac=003038683162729rtmo=kCoCLZopatmo=g3MKpg=/et/01/1/21/nmmr21.html THE consultant who first raised concerns about MMR vaccinations has disclosed to The Telegraph that he has identified nearly 170 cases of a new syndrome of autism and bowel disease in children who have had the triple-dose injection. Andrew Wakefield, a consultant gastroenterologist at the Royal Free Hospital in London, said that in the "majority" of cases parents had documentary evidence that their child's physical and mental decline had followed the vaccination. Professor Wakefield said: "Last week in our clinic we saw nine or 10 new children with exactly the same story, referred by jobbing paediatricians from around the country who said, 'This child developed normally, had a reaction to MMR and is now autistic'". In his first public comments since the row erupted in 1998, when he reported on 12 cases, Professor Wakefield said that he remained seriously concerned by the safety of the vaccine, despite reassurances from the Department of Health. He said: "The department says that the safety of MMR has been proven. The argument is untenable. It cannot be substantiated by the science. That is not only my opinion but increasingly the view of healthcare professionals and the public. He said: "Tests have revealed time and time again that we are dealing with a new phenomenon. The Department of Health's contention that MMR has been proven to be safe by study after study after study just doesn't hold up. Frankly, it is not an honest appraisal of the science and it relegates the scientific issues to the bottom of the barrel in favour of winning a propaganda war." The doctor, who was fiercely attacked by health officials for voicing his doubts three years ago, said in an exclusive interview that he felt driven to break his silence because of the accumulating evidence. His remarks will infuriate the Government and sharpen the dilemma of parents over whether to have children innoculated with MMR. It emerged last month that a rising number of doctors and nurses were worried about giving second doses of the vaccine, and pressure is growing for its separation into its three component vaccinations, spread over three years. In his 1998 article in The Lancet, Professor Wakefield reported finding a devastating combination of bowel disease and autism in 12 children. His revelation that that figure has reached almost 170 cases will shock parents and doctors and add pressure on the Government to justify its vaccination policy. This month Dr David Salisbury, the head of the Government's immunisation programme, insisted that MMR was safe. The vaccine, which contains live measles, mumps and rubella virus, has been given to millions of children in the UK since its introduction in 1988 but the take-up rate has fallen sharply since Dr Wakefield made his original claims. Ten days ago health chiefs warned parents that Britain could face a measles outbreak unless more had their children vaccinated with MMR. Professor Wakefield said, however, that if an outbreak were to erupt it would be the fault of the health department, which had "failed to address the safety issues". The doctor and his colleagues are testing the hypothesis that the measles virus from the vaccine can lodge in the gut of susceptible children, damaging the bowel and causing autism, and that the addition of the mumps virus makes that more likely. A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Fw: [CTRL] LA Weekly: Secret Service intimidates anti-Bush webmaster
-Caveat Lector- For an amusing account of the Secret Service visiting a fairly insane webmaster, check http://www.seanbaby.com/cleveland/part3.html They kept asking the SS members what the secret was, and were eventually told there wasn't one. On Sat, 20 Jan 2001 02:21:58 -0600 Amelia [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -Caveat Lector- These laws have been on the books for decades. The Secret Service was just doing their job. They are required BY LAW to fully investigate ANY threat, even in jest on the life of ANY presidential party, the Supreme Court, or statement concerning the overthrow of the government. If you do not believe me, just threaten a Democrat--say Billy Jeff--and you, too, will be the proud recipient of just such a visit. It is not a partisan thing. This law was made when politicians were being assassinated for real. And often. And somebody did just try to blow up the capitol building. These things have to be investigated because one never knows when to take seriously such comments. notice how Leo, Letterman, etc. always stop short of "death" jokes. This post did not say what was the consequence of the Supreme Court being "wanted." I think this guy was asking for it and this site sounds like it is, too. But blaming it on Bush---? Oh, pluh--eese! These laws are 30 years old. Some people will try anything. Amelia - Original Message - From: "DIG alfred webre" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, January 19, 2001 4:42 PM Subject: [CTRL] LA Weekly: Secret Service intimidates anti-Bush webmaster -Caveat Lector- http://www.laweekly.com/ink/01/09/offbeat.shtml January 19 - 25, 2001 Offbeat: Bush Web Intrigue by Johnny Angel Edited by Gale Holland Secret Service intimidates anti-Bush webmaster The 2nd of January was already a pretty rotten day for Wheaton, Maryland, resident Mike Hershdorfer, laboring at his computer under the pall of one of the harshest Eastern winters on record. But it got a lot rottener at 2:20 p.m., when the Webmaster for the anti-Bush political site www.bushoccupation.com answered a knock at the door to find two Secret Service agents and a Montgomery County police officer. The agents gave a vague explanation of investigating a tip about Web-site activity, Hershdorfer said. As he stood in the doorway with the dogs barking, the agents repeatedly pressed to enter his home. "I got the distinct impression that they were not going to leave unless I let them inside, so I did," Hershdorfer recalled in an interview this week. The agents declined to say who made the tip, or what was said. They asked Hershdorfer for a list of Web sites he had visited, and for permission to search his house and review his medical records. They also asked him how he felt about the Clintons and Bush - and whether he had ever threatened to blow up the White House. Meanwhile, the police officer stood in the corner, saying he was there "to protect me," an incredulous Hershdorfer remembered. In the course of the hourlong interrogation, Hershdorfer's roommate Patty happened to telephone. After he had explained the situation, she rang up her lawyer stepfather, who instructed her to tell Hershdorfer to keep quiet and to refuse a search. Hershdorfer told the agents he suspected the tip had come from someone with the right-wing Free Republic Web site, which he had begun monitoring following media accounts of Freeper harassment of Democratic veep candidate Joe Lieberman and others. "I told the agents I felt intimidated and that my rights were under threat," Hershdorfer said. They packed up their notes and left. Hershdorfer told OffBeat he closely monitors bushoccupation.com and a related e-group; neither has posted a threat, he claims. "I'm trying to organize in the middle left, not with people who want to blow things up," he said. The strongest language on bushoccupation.com is: "We are dedicated to opposing the extraconstitutional and illegitimate occupation of [the] U.S. government by George W. Bush and the people using him as a front man for the extreme right-wing anti-democratic operatives." Hershdorfer also has put up "Wanted" posters with photographs of the five U.S. Supreme Court justices who halted the Florida ballot recount, handing Bush the presidential election. Secret Service spokesman Jim Mackin refused to comment on Hershdorfer's case, but said it's standard procedure to investigate any report of a threat against the president or president-elect. "It only takes a minute to pull a post off a Web site, as you know," said Mackin. "We don't care about anyone's politics." Hershdorfer remains shaken by the experience, and thinks that he will probably never know who his accusers were - just that they made a miserable day more miserable. Mission accomplished, one imagines. -Johnny Angel __ EcoNews Service - Always online for Exopolitics a Universe Ecology. EcoNews
Re: [CTRL] Skolnick - The Rev. Jesse Jackson Affair
-Caveat Lector- Skolnick is (usually) very reliable. I remember a couple of years back when Princess Diana was killed in 'that' car crash. Every two bit nut, publicity junkie, conspiracy provocateur and loon came out of the woodwork ranting on the internet. Skolnick was the ONLY source, including the mainstream press, who reported within hours of the crash that the French police were looking for that white car which was never definately located. You can learn more in an hour of reading Skolnicks page than years of higher education at a 'State' education facility. On Fri, 19 Jan 2001 01:27:40 EST "Samantha L." [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -Caveat Lector- In a message dated 1/18/01 9:46:13 PM Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Skolnick - The Rev. Jesse Jackson Affair By Sherman H. Skolnick Are there those on the list who think of Skolnick's info as generally reliable? I believe it was Skolnick who made the dire prediction about three years ago that by a certain date, Clinton would completely dismantle the Social Security system. I waited until that date to see if the prediction came true and it didn't. I never paid much attention to him after that. Please correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe Skolnick makes dire predictions and is even specific, and then nothing happens. Samantha A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Psychotronics article
-Caveat Lector- These are the important types of news I highlight daily at http://leviathan.weblogs.com Bookmark it! Make it your homepage! Tell your friends about it! From http://www.davidicke.net/newsroom/global/020100a.html University of Albany Suspends Mind Control Implant Research Project The University at Albany, N.Y., has shut down a research project investigating the claims of individuals who believe that they were surgically implanted with communications devices which can read and transmit their thoughts. Professor Kathryn Kelley, a fully-tenured psychology professor at the University at Albany, has focused her work in recent years on surgically-implanted mind control devices. A brief statement released in August by university spokeswoman Mary Fiess said, "The university imposed the suspension [of Kelley's research] because of serious concerns that the experiment did not meet the standards governing such projects on campus. While we're working to gather all the facts in this case, we cannot comment further." That same week, according to the Albany Times-Union, all professors and graduate students at the University at Albany were instructed in a memo to refer all calls "looking for information on any psychological research conducted in our department" to the university's public relations office. Sources in the psychology department told the Times-Union that the school's Institutional Review Board closed the project after receiving a complaint filed last spring by a student who reportedly was not allowed to leave a lecture that was part of Kelley's experiment -- an alleged violation of National Science Foundation guidelines. However, researchers also have ethical obligations to fully brief human subjects on the experiment in which they will participate, and to fully debrief subjects after the experiment is concluded. There has been no clarification of the exact circumstances of the student's complaint. Although Kelley has declined to speak to the press regarding the suspension of her research, colleagues told the Times-Union that she had privately claimed that "the university is violating her academic freedom." University at Albany sociology Professor David Wagner, the outgoing chair of the Institutional Review Board, told the Times-Union that shutting down a professor's research was "quite rare." The suspension of Kelley's research is the first such incident at UAlbany since the early 1970s. The university reportedly considers the ongoing investigation of Kelley's work to be "highly sensitive." In 1995, gunman Ralph Tortorici held a class of 37 students hostage at the University at Albany, claiming that the government had planted microchips in his body. Tortorici, who shot one of the students during a struggle, reportedly hanged himself in his state prison cell last summer. Kelley earned her Ph.D. from Purdue University in 1977, and her earlier research had focused on issues such as date rape, risk-taking, and gender differences. In spring of 1998, according to the Times-Union, the university's psychology department first became aware of Kelley's interest in mind control technology when she posted a note on her office door announcing a lecture called "The Psychology of Invading the Self." The note reportedly described implant research funded by the National Security Agency and the Department of Defense with an annual budget of $2 billion. The note stated that the devices were typically implanted in "uninformed, unconsenting subjects" who were usually "federal prisoners and political dissidents." Also in the spring of 1998, the school's Institutional Review Board approved a research project by Kelley to explore "advances in technology that affect interpersonal communication." Kelley filed a 16-page outline with the board which described her plans to investigate uses of technology for "monitoring and control." According to the Times-Union, Kelley's outline proposed "presenting a lecture to research subjects and then having them respond to 60 questions about how the case study she would describe affected their views." A graduate student who worked on Kelley's project said that the research was intended to examine how people would perceive individuals with microchip implants, and whether there might be a social stigma attached to having such implants. At the 1999 annual conference of the Eastern Psychological Association (www.easternpsychological.org), held in Providence, R.I., Kelley delivered a paper that examined microchip implant claims "as one of the indicators of schizophrenia." In August 1999, Kelley delivered a paper to the "World Multiconference on Systemics, Cybernetics and Informatics" (www.iiis.org/sci97.htm) in Orlando, Fla., which described the use of devices she called RAATs -- Radio wave, Auditory, Assaultive, Transmitting implants -- which could be implanted in a subject during anesthesia. The only signs of
[CTRL] Jesse Jackson and Osama Bin Laden
-Caveat Lector- On Thu, 18 Jan 2001 21:57:05 -0500 Nurev Ind Research [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -Caveat Lector- In a message dated 1/18/01 7:23:34 PM Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Tell me, what does Jesse do for a living? Does he work? William Shannon wrote: Part 1.1Type: Plain Text (text/plain) Again...gasp...he makes a good wage giving speeches and also pockets a check doing his CNN show...jeeez!!! It's not as though we caught a Jimmy Swaggart having sex with a hirsuit whore...er... Hopefully we'll find Robertson and Falwell in a tight and sweaty 69 next!!! Bill. = Oh god it's happening again! Gulp. Saba is right. Speeches and CNN don't really pay enough to account for his being a multi millionaire. Besides hanging out with guys who screw chicks in office, and screwing chicks in the office, what does this elite CFR scumbag actually DO? Joshua2 He makes big bucks running businesses and extorting money from other businesses uner threats of violence. Read the Skolnick article again. Also, this just flashed up on my Computer-God Frankenstein Alert Conspiracy Monitor Software http://www.hindustantimes.com/nonfram/200101/detNAT10.asp Secret Gulf meet focuses on Kashmir jehad, Osama Shishir Gupta (New Delhi, January 19) IN THE wake of UN sanctions on Taliban, leaders of pan-Islamic jehadi groups met in Saudi Arabia this month to deliberate on the strategy on key issues such as Osama Bin Laden and Kashmir. Government sources indicate that in the garb of undertaking a piligrimage to Mecca, six jehadi leaders met in Jeddah between January 3 and 5, earlier this month. It is understood that the secret conclave was attended by Hizbul-Mujahideen supreme commander Syed Salahuddin, a representative of Lashkar-e-Tayyaba (LeT) and two persons from Taliban militia. The meeting did not have the patronage of the ruling Saudi royal family. It is learnt that the overall focus of the meeting was on developments in Afghanistan against the prospect of tough UN sanctions on Taliban rulers. While the UN Security Council announced sanctions last December, they were imposed on Taliban Friday after the ruling militia failed to hand over Osama Bin Laden within the one-month stipulated period. However, jehad in Kashmir apparently also figured in the meeting with pan-Islamic groups advocating in favour of continuing violence in the strife-torn state. It is reported that the conclave was a "success" with Islamic militant groups vowing to continue jehad against the Indian forces in Kashmir. The Indian security forces have not initiated any combat operations against Kashmiri militants after Prime Minister Atal Bihari Vajpayee announced unilateral ceasefire from November 28. While speaking in Udipi yesterday, Prime Minister Vajpayee had adopted a tough stand on the continuing cross-border terrorism in Kashmir and has asked Pakistan to rein in the jehadi groups. The Indian formulation for resumption of Indo-Pak dialogue is hinged on Pakistan condemning terrorist violence. Vajpayee said the Pakistani argument that violence would stop once talks resume was "strange", and neither convinced India or the international community. The leaders in the meeting at Jeddah mainly focused on UN sanctions on Taliban, which call for closure of military camps in Afghanistan. Besides militant training camps in the PoK, virtually all pan-Islamic groups such as LeT, Harkat-ul-Mujahideen, Al Badr have training camps in Khost and Jalalabad area of Afghanistan. A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Mastadon (was: Global warming claims 'based onfalsedata'??)
-Caveat Lector- On Wed, 17 Jan 2001 20:45:38 -0500 Nurev Ind Research [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -Caveat Lector- Nessie wrote: -Caveat Lector- became of the mastadon It wasn't a mastadon. It was a mammoth. It's being studied. Sources please. J2 By top men. A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Sherman Skolnick articles
-Caveat Lector- The peerless Sherman Skolnick has posted 2 new fascinating articles on the Red Chinese and American Elections. http://skolnicksreport.com via http://leviathan.weblogs.com RED CHINA and THE AMERICAN PRESIDENTIAL ELECTIONS Part One by Sherman H. Skolnick 1/15/01 Where did it start and when and how will it end? To understand that, requires pulling together little understood facts and making some sense of them. Perhaps this will give you a door into a better handle on the situation. As an upcoming industrial power, Japan was always down-rated by the West. When they destroyed the Czar of Russia's Pacific naval fleet at Port Arthur, early in the 20th Century, Americans and Russians were suitably shocked. How is it they did not understand? In World War One, Japan was an ally of the Western Powers. The Japanese Royal Family interlocked with their business cartels, the Zai-batsu, and had plenty of financial muscle. They began pulling away from America in the 1930s. The Japanese Monarchy had huge deposits in U.S. banks. They angered the American aristocracy by withdrawing those deposits and contributing to the then oncoming bank collapse. President Franklin D. Roosevelt had to declare a bank holiday, an emergency, right after being inaugurated in 1933. When the common people of one nation are angered by those of another country, that is ethnic, nationalist, or religious friction. But, when the aristocracy of one country is really sore at the aristocracy of another country, however, that is not simply opposition; that means WAR. Japan began attacking China 1931. President Roosvelt sent in a top military expert, Brig.General Claire Chennault, to find out why the Chinese did not have an effective air force to counter the Japanese attacks. China began making demands for material assistance on the American government as well as American financiers. After all, with another World War expected, the U.S. needed items from China, such as tungsten, for the making of airplanes and battleships. One result was that American mercenaries became involved in aiding China fight an air war against Japan. They were called "The Flying Tigers". From documents released more than fifty years AFTER the Japanese attacked Pearl Harbor in December, 1941, it became evident that the Japanese may have felt justified attacking our fleet and airfields in Hawaii. Six months BEFORE Pearl Harbor, the Flying Tigers were part of an American plan to aid the Chinese, known to the Japanese, to bomb Japan. [In recent years, Barbara Walters and ABC Network did a documentary, based on those documents, on this American plan to bomb Tokyo six months BEFORE Pearl Harbor.] Part of the world's then richest family, May-ling Soong, known as Madame Chiang Kai-shek, was the wife of the Chinese dictator. Her family member, T.V. Soong, was considered one of the richest men in the world. Their fortune, in great part, was based on narcotics exports. The American government contemplated that assisting China with war loans would minimize dope addiction in American. [Then, as now, the major dope coming into the U.S. was and is from China, now called "China White". The monopoly press, to protect Red China, falsely states the major dope now is from Colombia.] The American hope then was that narcotics exporting to the U.S. would diminish. Even all during World War Two, however, corrupt Chinese generals were in charge of dope exports, even, on occasion, through Japanese lines, down the Burma Road, and elsewhere. [Numerous details are in the book, "The Soong Dynasty" by Sterling Seagrave, hardback edition, Harper Row, N.Y., 1985, pages 368-369.] Historically, arranging the finances of the dope cartel was the British bank owned jointly by the British Monarchy and dope-rich families of Shanghai, the HONG KONG SHANGHAI BANK. [See, for example, the book "Dope, Inc."] The Queen of England, through the bank owned by her, Coutts Bank London, has a joint account for laundering illicit funds such as from the dope trafficking, jointly with George Herbert Walker Bush and his sons, George W., Jeb, and Neil. [See Federal Reserve secret wire transfer records, attached to our website series, "Greenspan Aids and Bribes the Bush Family".] The reputed head of the Red Chinese Secret Police IN THE UNITED STATES is tied to the Hong Kong Shanghai Bank. He lives in the Midwest and has direct communications links with the White House. [Visit our website series, "The Red Chinese Secret Police in the United States".] To benefit ethnic Chinese in controlling oil-rich Indonesia, the American CIA, in 1965, arranged the mass murders of some half a million of that nation of islands. The excuse, other than that the ones to be slaughtered, opposed the CIA-installed regime? The victims were considered and perceived as being "Reds", whether actually true or not did not seem to matter. Made fantastically rich on reputed dope
Re: [CTRL] Jesse suddenly bows out of public life af
-Caveat Lector- Well he has apparently confirmed the rumors. More importantly, was this $10,000 a month stipend plus the $40,000 'moving expenses' paid by him personally or by the Rainbow Coalition? Does any of the RC funding come from the government? A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Serve your boyfriend this!
-Caveat Lector- On Thu, 18 Jan 2001 17:07:02 -0400 Yardbird [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -Caveat Lector- Sorry CTRL folks! I didn't mean to send this here! Kelly Darn I was kinda hoping it was the prelude to a culinary conspiracy discussion, i.e., American imperialist gastronomes working to undermine those effete French chefs with good ole Yankee "home-cookin'":) Jamieson You might be onto something here. We all know that Satanists eat faeces and drink blood during their Evil Rituals tm, this is no-doubt used to indoctrinate spouses/'boyfriends' into being used to eating something like this so that after they are slipped LSD and taken to the Evil Ritual tm they won't put up any resistance to eating the vile stuff, after which they will be blackmailed and controlled for life and their family turned into a multi-generational Satanic cult sacrifice baby-generating unit!!! BTW check out http://www.black-market-babies.com A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] ASSASSINATION POLITICS
-Caveat Lector- What was that quote I picked up here some weeks back, seems most appropriate "Fascism is Capitalism plus Murder". A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Global warming claims 'based on false data'??
-Caveat Lector- On Sun, 14 Jan 2001 13:18:52 -0500 Nurev Ind Research [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -Caveat Lector- 1/16/01 This is obfuscation and drivel. All you need to know is that the ice caps and the worlds glaciers are melting and sea level is rising. No assholes can argue those measurements. Well here is one 'asshole' who can dispute it. Are you familiar with the whole Du Pont/CFC scam? If the ice caps are melting (and it's a big 'IF'), big deal. 90% of the ice is below sea level. If ice is below sea level and melts, there is no net increase in the water level. Predictions of the seas rising dramatically are bunk. Similarly the whole CFC scam. Ozone is O1, single oxygen molecules. Ozone is formed by the sun hitting the upper atmosphere and splitting the oxygen molecules into two. It's constantly being created naturally. The major thing which destroys it is jet aeroplanes, but you don't hear the big corporations behind the CFC scam asking for the banning of civil and military jets. A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Fwd: Ashcroft Christian Nation Speech at Bob Jones Univ. Should Disqualify No...
-Caveat Lector- On Sun, 14 Jan 2001 17:37:30 -0500 Damaeus [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -Caveat Lector- On Sun, 14 Jan 2001 09:57:23 -0500, Marilyn Wright [EMAIL PROTECTED] posted article [EMAIL PROTECTED], which said: Moreover, I have also noticed in just the past month that the six o'clock news is punctuated with advertisements for "Songs of Worship"--CDs that center on hymns and songs of Christian worship. I have no objection whatsoever to these ads in and of themselves and have seen them often on late nite time slots but find it disturbing to see them mixed in the with daily news. This is upstate NY and I am wondering if the ads are playing on the six o'clock news in the cities, too. I wonder how long it's going to be before they put Jesus on a Wheaties box. Damaeus So don't buy these products if you don't like their religious affiliations. It's a free country. Do you want them to ban religious advertising a la Communist Russia? A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Infected blood donations sought
-Caveat Lector- http://leviathan.weblogs.com From http://www.theage.com.au/breaking/0101/15/A13804-2001Jan15.html If you've had chicken pox or shingles, give blood Source: SMH|Published: Monday January 15, 7:55 PM The Red Cross Blood Bank wants people who have just recovered from chickenpox or shingles to donate blood. In a departure from its normal practice of seeking only healthy donors, Australian Red Cross Blood Service spokeswoman Bet (Bet) Gaunt said such people carried valuable antibodies used to make the product Zoster Immunoglobulin to treat the potentially-deadly Zoster virus. Zoster Immunoglobulin is used to treat people with suppressed immune systems and children with leukaemia undergoing chemotherapy. "It's an opportunity to get donors in, simply because when we call for donors we are always saying, you must be well and not recently have been sick," Ms Gaunt told AAP. Children usually suffered from chickenpox but they were not permitted to donate blood, Ms Gaunt said. "But if adults get chickenpox or shingles, then these are the ones we are wanting," she said. "A lot of children with leukaemia who come in contact with kids who have chicken pox have got to be immunised straight away. "They can't cope with these kind of infections because their immune systems are already suppressed and if they got chicken pox or shingles, it could be life threatening to them." Ms Gaunt said the blood could be used up to a year after recovering from chicken pox or shingles but it was more effective as soon as lesions on the skin had healed or soon afterwards. Chairwoman of the Australian Red Cross Blood Service end-user liaison program, Dr Margaret Buring, said stocks of Zoster Immunoglobulin were low due to the latest epidemic of chickenpox. "During the summer and the school holidays, viruses get around a bit more often but these sort of epidemics tend to go in waves, depending on what the local immunity is as well," she said. Dr Buring said people with cancer and leukaemia were not the only ones at risk. "If babies get infected in the first 20 weeks of pregnancy, they can actually get a congenital chicken pox infection which can be rather nasty," she said. People aged between 16 and 70 could donate blood in most states if they met the Red Cross donation safety guidelines. Tasmanians must be aged between 18 and 70 years to give blood. A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Fat Kids
-Caveat Lector- I don't have any kids, and I'm not going out of my way to have any either. With DNA testing nowadays, it's just too expensive. On Mon, 15 Jan 2001 06:10:10 -0800 Tenorlove [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -Caveat Lector- --- Johannes Schmidt III [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Maybe we need something like the East German education system. Most parents aren't really suited to raising children anyway. Once they get to six or seven years old, put them in a home where they can be educated by professionals full time and they will be ready for the workforce or higher education years ahead of the Western children. Similarly those unsuited to education can be easily determined within a few years and sent to work in unskilled jobs labouring, mining, cutting down trees, pumping gas etc. The savings will be enormous. If you want to do that to your kids, go right ahead. My children are too important to me to trust their upbringing to strangers. Tenorlove __ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Global warming claims 'based on false data'??
-Caveat Lector- On Mon, 15 Jan 2001 04:07:21 -0800 Nessie [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Check a geological survey of Antarctica or the arctic. Same with icebergs. the weight of the ice keeps 90% or more of it below water level. It's simple physics. A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Fat Kids
-Caveat Lector- A few months back I was spectating at the speaker's forum in the city. The speaker asked, rhetorically, 'What's wrong with the education system?' at which I leapt up and started yelling 'The problem with our education system is that it's producing a bunch of panty-waist nancy boys! We shoudl have compulsory rifle shooting and karate lessons for all boys at all levels!'. SOmeone said 'What about girls?' and I said that it won't be compulsory for them but they can do it if they want. Maybe we need something like the East German education system. Most parents aren't really suited to raising children anyway. Once they get to six or seven years old, put them in a home where they can be educated by professionals full time and they will be ready for the workforce or higher education years ahead of the Western children. Similarly those unsuited to education can be easily determined within a few years and sent to work in unskilled jobs labouring, mining, cutting down trees, pumping gas etc. The savings will be enormous. On Sun, 14 Jan 2001 21:52:27 -0700 hollie thomas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -Caveat Lector- I think we should blamae the parnets of these fat kids how hard it is to limit TV and time on the puter and take a kids hand and go for a walk threw away doom and throw a ball with your kid - Original Message - From: "Johannes Schmidt III" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, January 12, 2001 6:22 PM Subject: Re: [CTRL] Fat Kids -Caveat Lector- I blame computers and internet. Playing computer games like doom, quake etc. makes you feel like you are tired from all the exertion, but it is only a mental illusion and you don't get much real exercise from it at all. Playing on a computer for 6 hours may give you a headache and feel exxhausted enough to go to bed, but you probably burn less calories than a 15 minute walk to the 7-11. And the foods people snack on while playing with computers are almost universally high in sugar, salt and fat. TV doesn't help either. A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'wi
Re: [CTRL] Clinton aides 'destroying' evidence before Jan. 20
-Caveat Lector- All they need to do is either A) Switch the drives with new ones, and copy any individual markers etc on them or B) Use an emp or strong magnet and stuff the drives. With the technology nowadays, anything on a hard drive can be retrieved even after multiple reformats. No doubt the advanced stuff the NSA has is far more effective, and we can expect every year or so the technology to leapfrog forward so anyone with access to the drives can retrieve anything which was ever on them, including keystrokes and encryption. On Sun, 14 Jan 2001 10:20:15 -0500 T Nohava [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://www.wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=21333 White House 'wiping clean' computer hard drives Judicial Watch gets tip Clinton aides 'destroying' evidence before Jan. 20 By Paul Sperry © 2001 WorldNetDaily.com The White House is rushing to "wipe clean" the hard drives of computers used by President Clinton's aides before the Jan. 20 changeover, a public-interest law firm claims. Normally, when employees leave the White House, computer workers take a snapshot of the contents of their hard drives and store them as part of official records, as required by law. Then they reformat the hard drives for the next users. But according to Judicial Watch, Inc., political aides have ordered computer workers to first run the hard drives through a software program by the firm Jetico, called B.C., or Best Crypt, which "wipes clean the drives so the next administration can't retrieve any files." "They're starting with [the hard drives of] the most important people first -- the [White House] lawyers -- and working their way down," said Judicial Watch President Tom Fitton. "And they're working through the weekend." He added: "It's the equivalent of burning records, according to our sources," who are White House employees. The records are key to Judicial Watch's Filegate lawsuit against the White House. General counsel Larry Klayman said he passed the tip on to U.S. District Judge Royce Lamberth late Friday. Calls to the White House were not returned by deadline. Fitton said Clinton aides Mark Lindsay and Michael Lyle are heading up the project -- which is being carried out by Charles Nash, a supervisor in the White House's records management unit. A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Sir Laurence a shapeshifter?
-Caveat Lector- Don't knock the Weekly World News. They publish stories which no one in the 'big media' will touch. And tehy're a lot less crazy than some of what Icke comes up with. Similarly I remember reading articles in the WWN about David Koresh before anyone had heard of him. Sre, 95% of their stories are probably invented, but what about the other 5%? A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Do Blacks Owe Jews Reparations?
-Caveat Lector-
Interesting site, the kind I feature at
http://leviathan.weblogs.com
daily (hoping to get to the 10,000 hit mark today!)
http://members.home.net/veganmozfan/
Diana's Death Foretold in the Work of Morrissey
Morrissey (nickname 'MOZ') was the lyricist and singer in The Smiths (1982-1987).
MEAT IS MURDER, their second album, reached number one on the British charts in 1985.
Since the breakup of The Smiths, Morrissey has enjoyed continued success and
in 1998 was awarded Britain's prestigious Ivor Novello Lifetime Achievement Award
for his outstanding contribution to British music.
Morrissey - a vegetarian - is otherwise known for his outspoken belief in animal
rights:
"The life of any animal is just as important to that animal as your life is to you, or
mine to me."
- Morrissey, Greenscene interview, 1989
In 1986 - eleven years before the death of Princess Diana - Morrissey and The Smiths
released the album
THE QUEEN IS DEAD.
For the cover of this album whose title announces the death of a royal female,
Morrissey chose a photo of
a French man named Alain,
(actor Alain Delon).
The first public announcement of Princess Diana's death was made by
a French man named Alain,
(Dr. Alain Pavie, head of the Cardiology department at Paris' Hospital de la Pitie
Salpetriere).
Morrissey named THE QUEEN IS DEAD after a chapter title in the Hubert Selby novel
LAST EXIT TO BROOKLYN.
BROOKLYN is the largest of the five boroughs that comprise the city of NEW YORK.
Diana's fatal car crash occurred in an underpass tunnel in which she was headed toward
the
EXIT TO THE AVENUE DE NEW YORK.
Morrissey started THE QUEEN IS DEAD with audio from the film THE L-SHAPED ROOM
about a woman - played by actress Lesley Caron - who moved from France to England.
Diana's body was moved from France to England.
Lesley Caron was born on July 1st.
Diana was born on July 1st.
The audio from THE L-SHAPED ROOM selected by Morrissey to start THE QUEEN IS DEAD
is a woman leading a sing-along of
'TAKE ME BACK TO DEAR OLD BLIGHTY'.
'Blighty' is slang for England.
Apart from the fact that
Diana's body had to be taken back to dear old Blighty for burial,
the significant thing here is the name of the character leading the sing-along: Mavis.
[Remember that her name is Mavis.
We'll return to this point later.]
The following song is from the album titled THE QUEEN IS DEAD:
THERE'S A LIGHT THAT NEVER GOES OUT
Take me out tonight
where there's music and there's people
who are young and alive
driving in your car
I never never want to go home
because I haven't got one
anymore
and if a double-decker bus
crashes into us
to die by your side
such a heavenly way to die
and if a ten-ton truck
kills the both of us
to die by your side
the pleasure and the privilege is mine
and in the darkened underpass
I thought Oh God, my chance has come at last
(but then a strange fear gripped me and I
just couldn't ask)
Oh, there is a light that never goes out
there is a light that never goes out
Morrissey's lyrics to THERE'S A LIGHT THAT NEVER GOES OUT from THE QUEEN IS DEAD
concern:
two people
on a date
at night
in the city
driving in a car
fantasizing about getting killed in a car crash
gripped by fear in an underpass
Over a decade later we have Princess Diana and Dodi Fayed:
two people
on a date
at night
in the city
driving in a car
getting killed in a car crash
in an underpass
In 1987, this very same song - THERE IS A LIGHT THAT NEVER GOES OUT from THE QUEEN IS
DEAD -
became the 'A'-side of the only Smiths single ('B'-side: HALF A PERSON) in the
lifetime of the band to be
released exclusively in France.
Princess Diana died in France.
In 1995, this very same song - THERE IS A LIGHT THAT NEVER GOES OUT from THE QUEEN IS
DEAD -
wound up as the last song on the last Smiths album before Diana's death:
Released eight years after the breakup of The Smiths, the last Smiths album prior to
Diana's death
was a retrospective compilation of their singles, titled "SINGLES".
For the cover of this final Smiths album before Diana's death,
Morrissey chose a photo of an actress named Diana
clutching a pillar
in the film YIELD TO THE NIGHT.
Princess Diana
crashed into a pillar
just minutes after midnight.
The 'Diana' on the album cover is actress Diana Dors.
Diana Dors' real name was MAVIS Fluck.
MAVIS was the name of the character from THE L-SHAPED ROOM
whose singing of TAKE ME BACK TO DEAR OLD BLIGHTY
was chosen by Morrissey to start THE QUEEN IS DEAD.
[Remember?]
In the summer of 1997, Morrissey released his final single before Diana's death:
ALMA MATTERS
So, the choice I have made
may seem strange to you
but who asked you anyway?
it's my life to wreck
my own way
You see, to someone somewhere
Alma matters in mind
body and soul
in part and in hole
So, the life I have made
may seem wrong to you
but I've never been surer
it's my life to ruin
my own way
[CTRL] Morrisey and the death of Princess Di
-Caveat Lector-
Sorry, forgot to change the subject heading and suspect a lot of people will be
deleting the back to Africa thread.
On Sat, 13 Jan 2001 23:41:37 - Johannes Schmidt III
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
-Caveat Lector-
Interesting site, the kind I feature at
http://leviathan.weblogs.com
daily (hoping to get to the 10,000 hit mark today!)
http://members.home.net/veganmozfan/
Diana's Death Foretold in the Work of Morrissey
Morrissey (nickname 'MOZ') was the lyricist and singer in The Smiths (1982-1987).
MEAT IS MURDER, their second album, reached number one on the British charts in 1985.
Since the breakup of The Smiths, Morrissey has enjoyed continued success and
in 1998 was awarded Britain's prestigious Ivor Novello Lifetime Achievement Award
for his outstanding contribution to British music.
Morrissey - a vegetarian - is otherwise known for his outspoken belief in animal
rights:
"The life of any animal is just as important to that animal as your life is to you,
or mine to me."
- Morrissey, Greenscene interview, 1989
In 1986 - eleven years before the death of Princess Diana - Morrissey and The Smiths
released the album
THE QUEEN IS DEAD.
For the cover of this album whose title announces the death of a royal female,
Morrissey chose a photo of
a French man named Alain,
(actor Alain Delon).
The first public announcement of Princess Diana's death was made by
a French man named Alain,
(Dr. Alain Pavie, head of the Cardiology department at Paris' Hospital de la Pitie
Salpetriere).
Morrissey named THE QUEEN IS DEAD after a chapter title in the Hubert Selby novel
LAST EXIT TO BROOKLYN.
BROOKLYN is the largest of the five boroughs that comprise the city of NEW YORK.
Diana's fatal car crash occurred in an underpass tunnel in which she was headed
toward the
EXIT TO THE AVENUE DE NEW YORK.
Morrissey started THE QUEEN IS DEAD with audio from the film THE L-SHAPED ROOM
about a woman - played by actress Lesley Caron - who moved from France to England.
Diana's body was moved from France to England.
Lesley Caron was born on July 1st.
Diana was born on July 1st.
The audio from THE L-SHAPED ROOM selected by Morrissey to start THE QUEEN IS DEAD
is a woman leading a sing-along of
'TAKE ME BACK TO DEAR OLD BLIGHTY'.
'Blighty' is slang for England.
Apart from the fact that
Diana's body had to be taken back to dear old Blighty for burial,
the significant thing here is the name of the character leading the sing-along: Mavis.
[Remember that her name is Mavis.
We'll return to this point later.]
The following song is from the album titled THE QUEEN IS DEAD:
THERE'S A LIGHT THAT NEVER GOES OUT
Take me out tonight
where there's music and there's people
who are young and alive
driving in your car
I never never want to go home
because I haven't got one
anymore
and if a double-decker bus
crashes into us
to die by your side
such a heavenly way to die
and if a ten-ton truck
kills the both of us
to die by your side
the pleasure and the privilege is mine
and in the darkened underpass
I thought Oh God, my chance has come at last
(but then a strange fear gripped me and I
just couldn't ask)
Oh, there is a light that never goes out
there is a light that never goes out
Morrissey's lyrics to THERE'S A LIGHT THAT NEVER GOES OUT from THE QUEEN IS DEAD
concern:
two people
on a date
at night
in the city
driving in a car
fantasizing about getting killed in a car crash
gripped by fear in an underpass
Over a decade later we have Princess Diana and Dodi Fayed:
two people
on a date
at night
in the city
driving in a car
getting killed in a car crash
in an underpass
In 1987, this very same song - THERE IS A LIGHT THAT NEVER GOES OUT from THE QUEEN IS
DEAD -
became the 'A'-side of the only Smiths single ('B'-side: HALF A PERSON) in the
lifetime of the band to be
released exclusively in France.
Princess Diana died in France.
In 1995, this very same song - THERE IS A LIGHT THAT NEVER GOES OUT from THE QUEEN IS
DEAD -
wound up as the last song on the last Smiths album before Diana's death:
Released eight years after the breakup of The Smiths, the last Smiths album prior to
Diana's death
was a retrospective compilation of their singles, titled "SINGLES".
For the cover of this final Smiths album before Diana's death,
Morrissey chose a photo of an actress named Diana
clutching a pillar
in the film YIELD TO THE NIGHT.
Princess Diana
crashed into a pillar
just minutes after midnight.
The 'Diana' on the album cover is actress Diana Dors.
Diana Dors' real name was MAVIS Fluck.
MAVIS was the name of the character from THE L-SHAPED ROOM
whose singing of TAKE ME BACK TO DEAR OLD BLIGHTY
was chosen by Morrissey to start THE QUEEN IS DEAD.
[Remember?]
In the summer of 1997, Morrissey released his final single before Diana's death:
ALMA MATTERS
So, the choice I have made
may seem strange to you
but who asked you
[CTRL] Girl dies after vaccination
-Caveat Lector- http://www.irelandonsunday.com/ Brain bug kills vaccine girl (15) By: Eugene Masterson and Ruth O'Callaghan A YOUNG Dublin girl has died from meningitis just weeks after she was inoculated against the dreaded disease. Laura Ryan (15) was buried yesterday. She succumbed to the killer B strain of the virus only days previously. The healthy teenager had been inoculated, along with thousands of other students, against the C strain of the disease just before Christmas. A major nationwide drive against Meningitis C has been underway for the past several weeks. Between 85 percent and 90 percent of students in second level schools have received the vaccine. But the Eastern Health Board said there is no vaccine available for the particularly severe B strain of the virus and warned parents to be vigilant. Every parent's nightmare turned into reality for David and Frances Ryan when Laura developed the classic symptoms of the disease last week and was rushed to Dublin's Beaumont Hospital. Laura, from Seabury in Malahide, died within hours of being admitted to the hospital on Tuesday night. Her parents and only sister Fiona were the chief mourners at yesterday's funeral Mass where schoolfriends from Malahide Community School broke down as Laura's white coffin left the Church of the Sacred Heart. Among the packed congregation was 2FM broadcaster Gerry Ryan, who is closely related to Laura's family. Laura is the first person to die this year from bacterial meningitis. But her death is the fourth teenage meningitis death in the Malahide-Portmarnock area since 1998. Last year, two girls from Portmarnock died of Meningitis B and in 1998 four-year-old Ben Quinn, also from Seabury, also died. The Department of Health is to launch a new campaign in April to target students who have not been vaccinated. The national vaccination campaign began in October and has already been successful in reducing the rates of the deadly disease in children. The disease has almost been eliminated in Britain only a year after the vaccine was first introduced. Just three cases of Meningitis C were reported here in November - the lowest figure recorded for a number of years in this country. Meningitis specialist Dr Mary McCafferty told Ireland on Sunday that experts in Holland are currently battling to find a vaccine for the B strain, which should protect against 80 percent of its varieties. She said the A strain is rarely found outside certain parts of the world and is predominant in north Africa and occasionally found in Russia, but rarely found in northern Europe. She said on average between between 10 and 25 people die in Ireland each year from the disease. A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Pilots flew into A-bomb blasts
-Caveat Lector- So this guy's 78 years old and apparently healthy, and he used to fly his plane into nuclear mushroom clouds? They must have been using pretty small nukes! A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Racism And The Fight For Democracy
-Caveat Lector- The rednecks, the trailer-trash, the god-botherers, the KKK and skinheads, the suburban homeboys. These are the sort of trash which make up 'The Mob' who run around lynching people or harassing individuals. I would prefer to live in a society of hermits. A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Do Blacks Owe Jews Reparations?
-Caveat Lector- On Thu, 11 Jan 2001 20:45:11 -0800 "Damian B. Cooper" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -Caveat Lector- At 07:45 PM 1/11/01 -0600, kl [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -Caveat Lector- Do Blacks Owe Jews Reparations? Michael Savage Monday, Jan. 8, 2001 The Third Wave leftist hoaxsters are pushing "reparations" for slavery. Now, slavery ended in the U.S. 130 years ago. There is Credit to my college roommate for discerning the following unfulfilled moral obligation: "Shouldn't blacks owe reparations to white people for 500 years of eating missionaries?" DBC The missionaries should compensate the Africans for indigestion. Incidentally, just about everyone could sue the European Union on the grounds that their ancestors may have been slaves under the Ancient Greek or Roman civilisations. A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Raoul Wallenberg
-Caveat Lector- http://leviathan.weblogs.com From http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/world/europe/newsid_1113000/1113114.stm Wallenberg riddle lives on Wallenberg's disappearance is still a mystery A Swedish diplomat who helped thousands of Jews escape Nazi-occupied Hungary may not have been killed by the KGB in 1947 as Moscow has claimed. A joint Swedish-Russian commission has concluded that Raoul Wallenberg may have been kept alive in Soviet jails as a bargaining chip. However the commission's report, which follows a 10-year investigation, failed to draw any definite conclusion. The original motive may have been to use Raoul Wallenberg in an exchange Commission report Wallenberg was arrested by Soviet troops who entered Budapest in 1945, and disappeared without trace. Russia said last year that he had been executed during Stalin's purges in 1947. But his relatives believe he survived until at least the 1970s with a hidden identity in a Soviet gulag. The commission said the Russian version could not be confirmed "beyond any reasonable doubt". It said there was no credible death certificate, and it could not dismiss testimony which said Wallenberg had been seen alive after 1947. Many former prisoners claim the diplomat was alive as late as the 1970s and 1980s. Two outcomes The commission's report said there were two main theories as to his fate: that he died in July 1947 probably "of unnatural causes", or that he was kept in isolation, with the intention of handing him over "in an exchange" The working group called for governments with relevant information to open their archives. On Friday, Sweden released most of its classified material on the subject. In recent days there has been much speculation in the Swedish press that Sweden rejected opportunities to exchange Wallenberg for Soviet defectors or spies. Some media reports suggest that as late as the 1960s Sweden refused to exchange him for Stig Wennerstrom, a Swede who spied for the Soviet Union. Different versions Wallenberg - a member of one of Sweden's most prominent families - worked as a Swedish diplomat in German-occupied Budapest. Swedish papers are thought to have saved thousands of Jews He distributed Swedish identity cards to Jews threatened with deportation to concentration camps, and won diplomatic protection for whole neighbourhoods of the city. Backed by the Swedish Government and the United States, he is thought to have saved tens of thousands of lives in this way. But when Soviet forces expelled the Germans from Budapest in 1945, they arrested him on suspicion of spying. The Soviet Union initially claimed that he had been killed in the streets of Budapest. Political victim Then, 12 years after his disappearance, it admitted that he had been taken to Moscow's notorious KGB headquarters, the Lubyanka, where he was said to have died of a heart attack in 1947. Russia says Wallenberg was killed in 1947 When Russia rehabilitated Wallenberg last December, it admitted he was a victim of political repression. On that occasion, the prosecutor-general's office said no evidence had been found of any criminal case against him, or his driver Wilmos Langfelder, and they had been deprived of their freedom without any grounds. His rehabilitation came in the aftermath of a Russian investigation which last year concluded that he had been executed in 1947, aged 34. Details of where or exactly when he had died were not provided. A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Wiccan Pseudohistory final word
-Caveat Lector- I can tell by the way that you alternate ranting and raving with sophistry that you clearly have no arguments and, more importantly, no evidence that Wicca predates the mid 20th century. You can rant and accuse me of being ignorant, unschooled, foolish etc. but you continue to dodge around the FACT that there is no evidence for the existence of a continous witchcraft tradition. Reasons this evidence may not exist as offered by you simply show that you do not dispute that there is no such evidence. That there is no such evidence means that it is an invention, a creation of modern authors and get-rich-off-the-stupid/ignorant crowd who dominate all religions. If you are going to continue this thread by continuing to accuse me of being ignorant and nothing else, then don't bother. Most of the subscribers to this list can spot someone trying to use hyperbole rather than fact, although they are usually nowhere as persistent as you are. Regards, Joe A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Fat Kids
-Caveat Lector- I blame computers and internet. Playing computer games like doom, quake etc. makes you feel like you are tired from all the exertion, but it is only a mental illusion and you don't get much real exercise from it at all. Playing on a computer for 6 hours may give you a headache and feel exxhausted enough to go to bed, but you probably burn less calories than a 15 minute walk to the 7-11. And the foods people snack on while playing with computers are almost universally high in sugar, salt and fat. TV doesn't help either. A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Osama bin laden
-Caveat Lector- Also I believe that in some circumstances, US courts have decided they have juristiction over crimes committed in other countries where there is no chance of a trial happening in that country. That's not including war crimes trials either. And of course if someone is kidnapped in a foreign country and smuggled illegally to the US, that is legal too according to US courts. On Thu, 11 Jan 2001 10:37:05 -0500 Ynr Chyldz Wyld [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -Caveat Lector- From: "goolie smith" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Why is the US asking for the extradition of Osama bin Laden for the bombings in Nairobi and Dar es Salaam and not the countries (Kenya and Tanzania) where it actually took place ? Because the bombings were of U.S. embassies; embassies are considered 'sovereign territories' of the countries that own them, therefore while the embassies were located in the countries of Kenya and Tanzania, the embassies themselves are considered U.S. territory. Therefore the bombings were 'on' U.S. soil, not Kenyan or Tanzanian. If the situation was reversed, say the Kenyan embassy in the U.S. was bombed, then it would be considered a crime committed not only to, but on, Kenyan territory, and as such those responsible would be tried in Kenya by Kenyan authorities. Although in actual practice, one would expect the FBI to be involved, too... June A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] DVT
-Caveat Lector- http://leviathan.weblogs.com http://www.theage.com.au/breaking/0101/12/A13128-2001Jan12.shtml An MP has revealed that Australian airlines have made a number of out-of-court settlements with people who have suffered DVT (Deep Veined Thrombosis) clots during flights. A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Osama bin laden
-Caveat Lector- How do you extradite a whole country? Not that I'd put it past the US to try. On Wed, 10 Jan 2001 11:21:34 - goolie smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -Caveat Lector- why is it that the US is asking for the extradition of Osama bin laden and not Kenya and Tanzania ? _ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Attention 'Nessie'
-Caveat Lector- Sir! You are unmasked. Please refer http://www.weeklyworldnews.com/cover_images/cover.jpg http://www.weeklyworldnews.com A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Killer Virus
-Caveat Lector- I wonder if these are the same scientists who 'accidentally' released the mixematosis virus in Australia a few years back which devestated the rabbit population (which it was designed to do as they are pests and there are squillions of them). However it also wiped out many pet rabbits and specially bred rabbits grown for their fur, which destroyed the industry. A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Controversial NH Rep resigns?
-Caveat Lector- From Http://leviathan.weblogs.com An outspoken candidate who was recently elected to the New Hampshire House of Representitives has apparently resigned over the furore when his internet postings, including his belief that many police deserve to be killed, were made public. http://www.deja.com/getdoc.xp?AN=714236051.1 A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Adam was an Aussie not an African, Australian researchers say
-Caveat Lector- The African theory is deeply flawed, however it is primary scientific dogma these days so anyone coming up with conflicting evidence is treated most disdainfully by the scientific world. The oldest human footprint was found in Africa. Therefore modern man must have evolved only in Africa and spread out all over the globe. If an earlier footprint was found in New Zealand, they would say that man started in NZ and colonised the rest of the world. There are elaborate flow charts and maps demonstrating how man migrated from Africa over the millennia. Unfortunately they are all speculation. There are human remains in Australia which have been carbon dated to 200,000 BC. While there are legitimate questions about whether the carbon dating may have been flawed, the remains are still far older than anything else found so far. If spacemen in the future are studying mankind and find a McDonalds in China, they will then produce a map showing how the small number of Chinese McDonalds franchises spread all over the world and multiplied astoundingly. This is the methodology used by the out of Africa theorists. A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Fw: TDI - Gun Control - 2001-01-09
-Caveat Lector- * * From a Pro-Gun-Control point of view, the assertion above * that it is BECAUSE of Vermont's lack of gun-control, * crime is so low, is arguable. Regardless of the merits (or * lack thereof) of gun control, to me, the proposal above * appears to be ridiculous. * Unless armed citizens are REQUIRED to come to my aid, * gun in hand when required, (for example, I call 911, and * my next door neighbour is dispatched to my house,) I don't * see why I should have to pay to be "defended" by gun owners. * If a burglar breaks into your house, you would probably be a lot better off ringing your next door neighbour for help than ringing the police, especially in some rural Vermont Hamlet. A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Oral vs. Written was Wiccan Pseudohistory
-Caveat Lector- As far as the oral tradition being more prominent than written documents, here's 2 things to consider: 1. Women were (and outside the Western world, still are) often illiterate, and oral tradition was the only way for them to transmit knowledge. The vast majority of humanity was illiterate prior to the 19th century, male and female. 2. Until the 20th century, paper and ink were relatively expensive, and were used for "important" things, and "important" was decided by the powers that be, who were mostly men. You exaggerate. Paper and ink (or charcoal, or pencil lead) was relatively cheap, especially by the 18th and 19th centuries. Popular novels, children's books, poetry, private letters, all were flowing around the globe but no one bothered to write down anything about the wiccans. Considering there were people writing things (real or imagined) about groups like the Masons, the Illuminati, all manner of secret and revolutionary societies, isn't it strange that none mentioned Wicca? Since Wicca was mainly a phenomenon of women and the lower socioeconomic classes, it is natural that its traditions would be preserved orally rather than on paper. This does not make it any less valid. Even the Bible was transmitted orally before being set to paper. Which tends to show how unreliable the Bible is asa historical document, rather than how reliable oral sources are. Christian author Josh McDowell, in his book "Evidence that Demands a Verdict" (don't have the pub. info handy, but it's a mass-market paperback that should be in any Christian bookstore) included a chart showing the lag time between the first known oral transmission, and the setting down on paper, for not only the various books of the Bible, but also the works of Homer, Virgil, and other ancient writings. Even if you don't agree with McDowell's religious perspective, the chart is an interesting and valuable research tool. No doubt. However the accuracy of oral history transferred to writing can only be judged (by it's nature) from the date it is written down. There are no written Wiccan documents before the 20th century. And here is what I wanted to post: http://www.inside.com/jcs/Story?article_id=20218pod_id=8 What Is 'IT'? Book Proposal Heightens Intrigue About Secret Invention Touted as Bigger Than the Internet or PC Steve Jobs quoted on accomplished scientist's new device: 'If enough people see the machine you won't have to convince them to architect cities around it. It'll just happen.' A venerable press pays $250,000 for a book on project cloaked in unprecedented secrecy. EXCLUSIVE Got a clue? Post your guess as to what IT is. by PJ Mark Tuesday , January 09, 2001 01:43 p.m. Harvard Business School Press executive editor Hollis Heimbouch has just paid $250,000 for a book about IT -- but neither the editor nor the agent, Dan Kois of The Sagalyn Literary Agency, knows what IT is. All they do know: IT, also code-named Ginger, is an invention developed by 49-year-old scientist Dean Kamen, and the subject of a planned book by journalist Steve Kemper. According to Kemper's proposal, IT will change the world, and is so extraordinary that it has drawn the attention of technology visionaries Jeff Bezos and Steve Jobs and the investment dollars of pre-eminent Silicon Valley venture capitalist John Doerr, among others. Kemper -- who has been published in Smithsonian, National Geographic and Outside among others -- has had exclusive access to Kamen and the engineers at his New Hampshire-based research and development company, DEKA, for the past year and a half. He tags the proposed book as Soul of the New Machine meets The New New Thing and won over his agent and publisher with e-mails describing the project in carefully couched language. He also included an amusing narrative of a meeting between Bezos, Jobs, Doerr and Kamen. The invention itself is as interesting as the inventor. Kamen is 'a true eccentric, cantankerous and opinionated, a great character,' the proposal says, with large gaps when it comes to pop culture. In the proposal, Doerr calls Kamen -- who was just awarded the National Medal of Technology, the country's highest such award -- a combination of Henry Ford and Thomas Edison. Doerr also says, a touch ominously, that he had been sure that he wouldn't see the development of anything in his lifetime as important as the World Wide Web -- until he saw IT. According to the proposal, another investor, Credit Suisse First Boston, expects Kamen's invention to make more money in its first year than any start-up in history, predicting Kamen will be worth more in five years than Bill Gates. Jobs told Kamen the invention would be as significant as the PC, the proposal says. And though there are no specifics in the proposal as to what the invention is, there are some tantalizing clues. Is IT an energy source? Some sort of environmentally friendly personal transport device?
[CTRL] More News
-Caveat Lector- http://leviathan.weblogs.com Isn't it odd how they are making all these statements publicly when their inquiry isn't even over? Makes you wonder how reliable it is. From http://www.independent.ie/2001/8/n08a.shtml IRA 'mole' allegation denied by top Garda inquiry Tom Brady, Security Editor A TOP level Garda investigation into allegations that the Provisional IRA had two "moles" operating within the force, which ultimately led to a dozen deaths, has found no evidence to substantiate the accusations. The probe, which should be completed within the next few weeks, involved extensive inquiries on both sides of the Border over the past eight months. A report of the findings will be submitted shortly to Garda Commissioner Pat Byrne who will then brief Justice Minister John O'Donoghue. The North's First Minister David Trimble created surprise in Government circles in Dublin at the weekend when he accused Taoiseach Bertie Ahern of "foot dragging" in investigatingthe "well documented" suggestions of Garda collusion with the IRA in a number of murders in south Armagh during the 1970s. The allegations had been levelled previously and found to be unsubstantiated but when they resurfaced last spring, Mr O'Donoghue ordered a fresh inquiry under the head of the national bureau of criminal investigation, Chief Supt Sean Camon and Det Insp Peter Kirwan, of the crime and security branch. The inquiry is understood to have included interviews with British journalist and author, Toby Harnden, who raised the allegations in his book, Bandit Country, a Dublin-based journalist who repeated the allegations and former members of the gardai. With the help of the RUC, inquiries were also carried out across the Border while detectives trawled records and files on the murders in which the two alleged moles were claimed to have been involved. One of the two men at the centre of the allegations was named in the British House of Commons last year. The two, who have been retired for some time, were under suspicion in the past of being involved in criminal activities but were not linked to the passing of information to the IRA. One of the incidents at the centre of the allegations is the murders of two senior RUC officers, Chief Supt Harry Breen and Supt Bob Buchanan as they were returning across the Border after attending a meeting in Dundalk garda station. Gardai found the officers regularly used the same route for their meetings. In the case of Lord Chief Justice Maurice Gibson and his wife, Cecily, killed as they travelled across the Border at Killeen in April, 1987, gardai determined that the IRA found out about his travel arrangements after he booked a holiday in his own name. A department spokesperson said the minister would issue a statement after studying the report A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Guard hacks Nuclear Plant computers.
-Caveat Lector- I showcase interesting stuff like this daily at my 'Blog, http://leviathan.weblogs.com From http://www.guardianunlimited.co.uk/uk_news/story/0,3604,419556,00.html Guard tried to sabotage nuclear reactor Security checks tightened after high-level alert Special report: British nuclear industry Kevin Maguire Tuesday January 9, 2001 Tough new security checks are to be imposed at nuclear power stations after a guard employed to protect a complex attempted to sabotage the site's computers. The patrolman triggered a high-level security alert that led to a shutdown of the station's automatic access control system, locking doors electronically to effectively close it, as colleagues started searching for an intruder. Leaked documents obtained by the Guardian show that the guard had never been vetted and had two undisclosed criminal convictions. Internal Department of Trade and Industry memos marked "restricted" reveal that as a result all security staff, including existing employees, will from March be required to undergo security tests. Written by Peter Hatton, head of security in the government's office for civil nuclear security, the documents refer to a security breach at an unnamed station which was the "deliberate action of a member of the site security force". No details are divulged but the station is understood to be the Bradwell magnox reactor in Essex, run by state-owned BNFL and the nearest nuclear power generator to London. The guard is believed to have hacked into Bradwell's computer system to alter sensitive information. "He got into one of the systems and wiped the records. The security people are still very touchy when we try to find out exactly what happened," said an industry employee. BNFL said last night it was unable to provide further information but the incident, in June 1999, which was never disclosed nationally, was considered so serious that a working party was formed to review security. Mr Hatton says in his memo: "The incident did highlight the danger of not conducting retrospective vetting particularly of those individuals such as members of the security police force who enjoy a freedom of movement over the whole of a site and have a high degree of trust placed in their integrity." From March this year more than 500 guards, including hundreds of existing personnel, will be subjected to 10-yearly tests including security service, court and credit clearance, and taking up references. New recruits have since April 1998 been required to undergo less stringent checks but employees in post before that date, including the Bradwell guard, were not covered. The guard's two criminal convictions would not necessarily have led to clearance being denied, records the DTI note. Jack Dromey, who represents security staff as national secretary of the Transport General Workers Union, said: "Employers have a duty not to put the public and fellow employees at risk by penny-pinching or through sloppy procedures." Another union official said: "Lunatics, industrial spies or terrorists could have walked through the gates with a badge that almost anyone could get." The new security tests will apply to British Energy civilian security staff at Dungeness B, Hartlepool, Hinkley B, Sizewell B, Hunterston, Torness and two Heysham power stations, plus BNFL magnox employees at Oldbury, Wylfa, Dungeness A, Sizewell A, Hinckley Point A, Berkeley and Bradwell. A spokesman for British Energy said: "We understand the need for such arrangements and are happy to comply." The department of trade and industry confirmed the new checks but played down the Bradwell incident, saying security was constantly under review. "There has been an incident in 1999 which, although it did not cause a breach of security, caused a review of security and in the light of that review revised procedures are to be introduced," a spokesman said. The bigger security companies, MPs and trade unionists have campaigned against "cowboy" guards for years. The government has published a bill requiring the 250,000 guards, bouncers, wheelclampers and private investigators working in the security industry to be vetted after a significant minority were found to have criminal convictions. A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector.
Re: [CTRL] Sv: Re: [CTRL] Check out 180 lashes for Nigerian teen mum to go ahead:governor
-Caveat Lector- Sure, it is far from perfect. I believe the testimony of non-Muslims is worth less as well, if anything at all. But under most western legal systems, I could go to a court and swear an affidavit that I saw you do something, and that could be enough for your arrest, imprisonment and possibly conviction. Of course the sceptics would say that all you have to do is get 2 of your friends to perjure themselves and back you up to convit an innocent person. But of course you can do this under our legal system, as the police do regularly. Watch out for shape changing reptiles, Joe On Sun, 7 Jan 2001 15:11:55 +0100 Ole_Gerstrøm [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -Caveat Lector- Dear Johannes, You write about Islamic law protecting the accused! Look what is reported below: The woman got 100 lashes for making unproven claims against the men. She could not prove that she had been raped, because she did not have necessary witneses. Under Islamic law the evidence from 2 women is outweighed by the testimony of one man. This is not law, this is barbarisme. Best, Ole Gerstrom, Denmark - Original Message - From: Johannes Schmidt III [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, January 05, 2001 3:16 PM Subject: Re: [CTRL] Check out 180 lashes for Nigerian teen mum to go ahead:governor -Caveat Lector- I believe under islamic law you need two witnesses (it might be three) if you are accusing someone of a crime to convict them. This is just the way Islamic law works, and you can see how it protects the accused (perhaps unfairly) from accusations where until recently there was no way of having evidence other than witnesses. On Fri, 5 Jan 2001 07:45:04 EST "Prudence L. Kuhn" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -Caveat Lector- In a message dated 01/04/2001 1:47:15 AM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: The judge of the local Islamic court, Idris Usman Gusau, ruled that under the terms of Islamic law introduced in Zamfara last year, she had not proven her claims against the three men. He sentenced her to 80 lashes for pre-marital sex and 100 lashes for making unproven claims against the men. There is a simple way to substantiate her claim against at least one of the men. DNA will tell us which one is the father of her child. Apparently the Nigerians are so eager to beat up a woman that they haven't taken time to step into the present century. Sounds like one of those "progressive" African nations. Prudy A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A =
Re: [CTRL] Fwd: Wiccan Pseudohistory
-Caveat Lector- The lethal nature of medicine in centuries past is well documented, however the effectiveness of traditional medicines in some areas is/was little better. Your points about midwifery are quite true, this is an area which women have always been pre-eminent. However, none of this alters the fact that, with the exception of a few hapy co-incidences, the types of cures offered by 'Wise Women' etc., consisted mainly of prayers, invoking of angels or devils, talismans, potions with no beneficial effect, strange rituals (animal sacrifice, burying potatoes in the light of the moon, unlikely aphrodisiacs) etc. I am sure there are numerous practices which have a negative effect on subjects practiced by WW, but which aren't much touted by their fanclub. A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Fwd: Wiccan Pseudohistory
-Caveat Lector- All your sophistry in these series of emails can be summed up very quickly: I am clearly (to you at least) ignorant on these subjects because I haven't read the 2 books you have pointed out. You have neatly tried to discredit all my questions by simply accusing me of being ignorant. You fail to answer my questions however, such as: If modern Wicca is the direct incarnation of an old or ancient religion (as it's adherent's claim), where is the evidence for this? Are there any primary written sources to prove this? Your answer is no. Are there any historical artifacts which prove this? Your answer is no. Is there any evidence of the existence of items so beloved of modern Witches such as the Book of Shadows or the Athame knife, which all witches are supposed to possess, being around before the 1950s? The answer is no. Previous religions are irrelevant if they do not provide a clear link to the current Wiccan religion. You may have forgotten but the original contention was that Wiccans are trying to pass off their modern religion as an ancient religion with a long tradition. These claims are bunk. The 'golden age' when women ruled the Earth and matriachy was predominant is also, by the way, bunk. It is part of the mythology of Wiccans, which I find every but as silly as Christians who at least can document where their beliefs came from. I will check out the books you have mentioned, however I am not expecting any great scholarship. We can hypothesise about various religions and their possible link to modern witchcraft (Animism, Druidism, Greek and Roman Gods, Traditional religions, Pre-historic religions etc.). But it is all hypothesis. If there is some clear link please spell it out. Don't ask me to go and get a degree in the subject, don't become derogatory (which is a good sign that you have no argument) but enlighten us on the pre-mid 1950s origins of Witchcraft. Regards and watch out for those death squads, Joe. A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Placebos
-Caveat Lector- The effectiveness of placebo cures is well documented, however you should remember they work in only a small number of cases overall. By their very nature, if I were to dance naked around your bed yelling and beating myself could have a placebo effect if I told you it would drive out the evil spirits, but personally I would rather something more reliable like anti-biotics, anti-psychotics, anti-depressants, painkillers, blood thinning medication, asthma ventilators, and all the other miracles which are found in the modern medical cabinet. Pre 20th century medicine was primitive, but despite all the horrible things you would expect a lot of people didn't die. In the US civil war, there were many thousands of combatants who lost arms and legs but did not die of infections or shock. People who got serious infections didn't always die, although you would expect them to. The body itself has natural mechanisms for defeating many illnesses and injuries under ideal conditions. People like good news. If a faith healer 'heals' 100 people, or 1,000 people, and one of them is miraculously cured, people are ecstatic. No matter if the person relapses days or months later, or may not have been sick in the first place (except psychologically). A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Germans infiltrate INLA
-Caveat Lector- This is the sort of important story I highlight daily at http://leviathan.weblogs.com http://www.independent.ie/2001/7/n01i.shtml German spy exposed as key INLA mole Ian Cobain in Berlin AN EXTRAORDINARY operation mounted by German intelligence officers against a republican terrorist group has been revealed. A German agent risked his life to infiltrate the INLA and lure its then chief of staff, Hugh Torney, to Germany to buy Semtex explosive to make bombs. The chance to cut off the INLA's European arms pipeline and place its leader behind bars was, however, squandered when German police set the terrorist free. Torney went on to organise a series of bomb and gun attacks in Northern Ireland. Among the victims was a girl of nine murdered in a drive-by shooting. Posing as a leftwing extremist and republican sympathiser, the German agent had watched as Torney and an accomplice, Sean Green, purchased the Semtex. Green went on to take part in a letter bomb campaign whose victims included the unionist leaders David Trimble and Jeffrey Donaldson. Details of the secret operation are revealed in a series of confidential reports prepared by the German domestic intelligence agency, the Bundesamt fur Verfassungsschutz (BfV), the federal prosecutors office and Stuttgart police. They show that the agent joined the INLA in the mid-1990s and eventually became a trusted confidant of its leadership. He is thought to have made contact with leading INLA figures while posing as a member of an extreme left-wing German organisation called Revolutionary Cells. Apparently working closely with Britain's MI5, he helped to set up the sting operation in August 1994, when the IRA was about to announce a ceasefire but the INLA was widely expected to continue its terror campaign. (The Times, London) A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Testing Testing 1 2 3 Testing...
-Caveat Lector- Testing... A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Fwd: Wiccan Pseudohistory
-Caveat Lector- Is 'Merlin Stone' a pagan/Wiccan himself by any chance?=20 Maybe. Maybe not. Either way, it=92s irrelevant. What is relevant is that she=92s a historian with a strong background in archeology and presents a good case well. But you wouldn=92t know that, because you didn=92t bothered to read what = she had to say before you started to talk about it. You're quite right. I had never heard of this person before you mentioned 'her' (and here was poor ignorant, historically illiterate I thinking that Merlin was a man's name). Let me know what book/s has she written and I will look it up. To be honest, she sounds like some sort of New Age fruitcake who knits her own yoghurt and probably writes books making just as much sense. But I'm just making assumptions. His name certainly sounds like he is.=20 Irrelevant. My name sounds like a lake monster. Does this mean I have flippers? I won't answer that, as I suspect you are being flippant. Whether ancient Greek/Roman sects survived the millennia is quite legitimate, such as research into the Templars theology. However there are written records, documents, sites, memoirs etc to work with.=20 And your own life? Has it been written down? No? Why should I believe you exist, then, or that anything you say is true? What's my life got to do with anything? Just because something is written down does not in and of itself mean it is true. Just because something is not written down does not, in and of itself, mean it is not true. Yes, but similarly because something isn't written down makes it far less likely to be true, just as something which is written down is more likely to be true. In addition to written records we must consider oral tradition and the physical evidence in the archeological record. But you would know this if you had bothered to read Stone and Gimbutas before you started spouting off about their work. You haven=92t even bothered to look at = the pictures. Yet you are telling what is and is not contained there. Can you even imagine how incredibly stupid this make you look? OK then, what (in brief) physical evidence do they provide which I am ignorant of? Do they have letters from one witch to another from anytime pre 1950? Have they found and translated some witches texts from middle ages or ancient greece which provide a clear link to modern wiccans? The wiccans have nil in the way of evidence. Perhaps they do. Perhaps they do not. Either way, you don=92t know = because you have not examined what is purported to be the evidence in question. If you had examined the purported evidence you would perhaps be able to rebut it a piece at a time. Or perhaps you wouldn=92t. But you don=92t = even know what the purported evidence is, let alone whether its real or not, and if it is, whether their interpretation of it is is valid. This is appalling scholarship on your part. You have a lot of nerve criticizing anybody else=92s scholarship at all, especially in a field with which = you are so obviously unfamiliar.=20 This is nonsense. 'Maybe' there is evidence. I admit it's possible, but I very much doubt it. I notice that you aren't exactly eager to provide any of this evidence from your clearly greater knowledge of this subject than us mere mortals. Please do enlighten us. Maybe you=92re right. Maybe Stone, Gimbutas, et al are totally wrong. = But maybe you=92re wrong. Either way, you=92re guessing. That=92s not how = scholars do it. Scholars do not draw conclusions out of thin air, just to suit some preconceived notion that have. Scholars at the very least read the literature in field before they draw even the most tentative conclusions, let alone spout off about them in public. The very best scholars do their own field research, gather empirical data themselves, and draw conclusions from that. Gimbutas dug all her life. Have you ever been on a dig? I doubt it sincerely. You never even bothered to read the literature. You apparently never even did a preliminary lit. search. And yet you=92re telling us about archeology just as if you actually = expected us to assume that you know what you=92re talking about. What is the = matter with you? Do you take us for fools? =20 There are no digs for wiccan artefacts because there are none. If you can stop criticising me (for I've obviously struck a nerve) perhaps you can point me to the error in my beliefs, rather than making all osrts of wild assumptions. You must. You read, by your own admission, a part of a book by Gardner, you don=92t even know Merlin Stone=92s gender, and yet you expect us to believe you know enough about the history of Goddess worship as to be qualified to pass judgment on scholars in the field. Do you even know what the word =93scholarship=94 means?=20 Again, this 'Merlin Stone' sounds like a new age lunatic. At the very least she is presumably a pagan, and therefore far from objective. But how do you know they didn't do so at some point during the
[CTRL] MP wants action on 'Economy class syndrome'
-Caveat Lector- From http://leviathan.weblogs.com http://www.theage.com.au/news/2001/01/07/FFXNM5S5MHC.html Minister survives thrombosis air ordeal By DAVID O'REILLY LONDON Sunday 7 January 2001 An MP who nearly died from the so-called economy-class syndrome wants the Howard Government to ban international airlines that fail to install gymnasium-style walking machines in jumbo jets. Labor's long-time member for the federal Victorian seat of Burke and transport policy specialist, Neil O'Keefe, said he almost died in a Brazilian hospital in November after suffering a seizure on a flight from Sydney. Mr O'Keefe was rushed to the Camara dos Deputados hospital in Brazilia in a critical condition after developing a potentially lethal deep-vein thrombosis (DVT) in his leg while travelling as part of a parliamentary delegation to South America. The MP believes that his daily dose of aspirin, prescribed for another condition, saved his life by keeping his blood thin during the ordeal. DVT usually affects the legs or pelvis, but if clots move through the bloodstream, often fatal pulmonary embolisms obstruct lung blood vessels. Mr O'Keefe supports claims that some airlines have ignored or even covered up the incidence of passengers dying or falling critically ill from blood clots after long flights. He said evidence suggest-ed that DVT was a big safety problem for the air industry. During weeks recuperating in the United States and Europe, Mr O'Keefe learnt that a House of Lords inquiry had been set up after a British MP suffered the same fate on a flight to New Zealand in 1999. Late last year, a 28-year-old British bride-to-be, Emma Christofferson, collapsed at Heathrow Airport minutes after stepping off a 23-hour flight from Australia and died on the way to hospital. Publicity about her death led to a flood of revelations about other British cases. Now a reported 700 people have come forward in Australia, prompting Melbourne law firm Slater and Gordon to consider a class action. "I thought I was an isolated case," Mr O'Keefe said. "Then I discovered the House of Lords inquiry and now Slater and Gordon have 700 cases. Heaven knows how many there may be around the world." A House of Lords report, published in November and produced by the UK Science and Technology Committee, concedes that experts are arguing about the DVT risk in flying. It is possible the risk may be low for healthy people. Big airlines have rushed to commission scientific surveys, arguing that the evidence is equivocal and that the DVT risk is greater in long-distance car and train travel. No one disputes that some people may have a high DVT risk. But the race is now on to quantify the specific risk in aircraft. A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Fwd: Wiccan Pseudohistory
-Caveat Lector- On Sat, 6 Jan 2001 08:16:50 -0500 Ynr Chyldz Wyld [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -Caveat Lector- From: "Nessie" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Is 'Merlin Stone' a pagan/Wiccan himself by any chance? Maybe. Maybe not. Either way, its irrelevant. What is relevant is that shes a historian with a strong background in archeology and presents a good case well. But you wouldnt know that, because you didnt bothered to read what she had to say before you started to talk about it. He didn't even bother determining what sex Merlin Stone really is, either... His name certainly sounds like he is. Irrelevant. My name sounds like a lake monster. Does this mean I have flippers? Well now, we all don't really KNOW now, do we? ;-) But I'm sure that those who feel Merlin Stone is a man also believe that Nessie is a woman... ;-) Nessie is a feminine name, it ends in a 'ie'. Of course it could well be a usage of such male names as Nestor. Similarly it could come from Vanessa. I don't know. i don't really care. Nessie certainly carries on like an old woman sometimes. June His/her gender is irrelevant. But if someone is called Tom, or Hank, or William, aren't I entitled to assume they are male? Similarly 'Merlin' is (to my knowledge) an exclusively male name, taken from the figure Merlin from the King Arthur myth cycle, who is always portrayed as male. A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Fwd: Wiccan Pseudohistory
-Caveat Lector- Similar to Ninjitsu, line up a publisher and claim you have found some ancient scroll/old family book. There are no existing Wiccan 'Book of Shadows' (personal magic diaries) predating the 20th century. It is all a con. Elizabeth Gouge spoke of "White Witches" as being standard in English villages for generations. She was a vicar's daughter herself. Since she was probably born before the turn of the century, it sounds as though there was something similar to Wicca in the l9th century. The book I'm remembering was a small autobiographical volume. The title had the word "snow" in it. Prudy 'Wise Women' etc. were nothing more than the quacks and faith healers we have today. There is no evidence that they were part of an organised religion or that they worshipped any particular non-Christian deity. A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Fwd: Wiccan Pseudohistory
-Caveat Lector- In this case, I believe it is based on "Ness", as in the lake in Scotland with the purported monster... I think a lake would be by default feminine, like a ship? His/her gender is irrelevant. But if someone is called Tom, or Hank, or William, aren't I entitled to assume they are male? What about the actress Michael Learned? Or the fact that John Wayne's real first name was Marion? Whata about them? These are unusual. I'm sure 99% of people (if not more) called Hank, Tom or Bill are exclusively male. What about those people whose first names are Robin or Chris? What about them? There are a lot of cross-gender names, especially if you don't see the spelling. But I don't believe Merlin is one of them. Similarly 'Merlin' is (to my knowledge) an exclusively male name, taken from the figure Merlin from the King Arthur myth cycle, who is always portrayed as male. Actually, I believe originally the term 'merlin' was used as a title, and only became associated as a personal name due to the Arthurian legends. Somewhat akin to the names "Don" and "Donna", which originally were titles of Spanish nobility (e.g., "Don Juan", "Donna (or Dona with the squiggle over the 'n') Maria"), but later were used as 'Christian' names in and of themselves. Sure, but the name itself is a 'male' name. Is it French? I don't think it's Hebrew. Maybe from Greek? A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Check out 180 lashes for Nigerian teen mum to go ahead:governor
-Caveat Lector- Actually if the man is convicted of rape, I believe the woman's family has a right to have him executed. On Sat, 6 Jan 2001 17:36:04 EST "Prudence L. Kuhn" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -Caveat Lector- In a message dated 01/05/2001 9:18:59 AM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I believe under islamic law you need two witnesses (it might be three) if you are accusing someone of a crime to convict them. This is just the way Islamic law works, and you can see how it protects the accused (perhaps unfairly) from accusations where until recently there was no way of having evidence other than witnesses. Islamic law apparently does more than protect the accused. It shows women that they must never tell who has abused them. Since if they do, they will be punished three fold. What it says to women is something akin to, "Shut up, slut. Go jump off a roof." Prudy A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Fwd: Wiccan Pseudohistory
-Caveat Lector- -Caveat Lector- In this case, I believe it is based on "Ness", as in the lake in Scotland with the purported monster... Well, if I were to name myself after, say, the Murray River you would probably assume Murray was a male. Similarly if I named myself for Alice Springs, you would probably be entitled to assume (wrongly) that I was female. I think a lake would be by default feminine, like a ship? it is the monster he is named after- not the lake. ships and cars (and computers) are only feminine to men, aren't they? I thought it was an English convention. Do women refer to ships as being male? aren't you a reconstructed man johannes? ;) Thanks to modern Frankenstein eye-television and ear-radio parroting puppet gangster slaves I have been reconstructed several times with mostly original parts. and anyway- johnnie and willie end in ie and are not at all feminine, willie in fact is another name for a penis. I would spell both with a 'y' on the end. A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Check out 180 lashes for Nigerian teen mum to go ahead:governor
-Caveat Lector- I believe under islamic law you need two witnesses (it might be three) if you are accusing someone of a crime to convict them. This is just the way Islamic law works, and you can see how it protects the accused (perhaps unfairly) from accusations where until recently there was no way of having evidence other than witnesses. On Fri, 5 Jan 2001 07:45:04 EST "Prudence L. Kuhn" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -Caveat Lector- In a message dated 01/04/2001 1:47:15 AM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: The judge of the local Islamic court, Idris Usman Gusau, ruled that under the terms of Islamic law introduced in Zamfara last year, she had not proven her claims against the three men. He sentenced her to 80 lashes for pre-marital sex and 100 lashes for making unproven claims against the men. There is a simple way to substantiate her claim against at least one of the men. DNA will tell us which one is the father of her child. Apparently the Nigerians are so eager to beat up a woman that they haven't taken time to step into the present century. Sounds like one of those "progressive" African nations. Prudy A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Fwd: Wiccan Pseudohistory
-Caveat Lector- Furthermore, scholars generally agree that there is no indication, either archaeological or in the written record, that any ancient people ever worshipped a single, archetypal goddess Some scholars agree. Others do not. Read Raphael Patai, Merlin Stone or Marija Gimbutas. There are some scholars who claim that AIDs is caused by Paraffin on apples, and others who believe the earth was created 6,000 years ago by a big man living in the clouds. =20 invented by Gardner Most of the historical and folkloric arguments for the existence of an ancient Goddess religion tried to show that European witchcraft was a descendant of a prehistoric religion. Two people are credited for first hypothesizing that witchcraft had been an organized religion prior to Christianity. In 1749, Girolamo Tartarotti claimed that witchcraft was a descendant of the Dianic cults of Roman times (Valiente 1973: 224). In the early Nineteenth century, the French historian, Jules Michelet made a similar claim. Michelet argued that witchcraft was a survival of a pre-Christian northern European fertility cult (Jordan 1996: 106). Michelet's idea had a profound impact on the work of Charles Leland. Leland was a poet, an occultist, and the first President of the Gypsy-Lore Society (Guiley 1989: 200). He was educated at the Sorbonne (Jordan 1996: 98), where he encountered Michelet's theory that witchcraft was a survival of a pagan cult. In Aradia, or the Gospel of the Witches (1899), Leland claimed that the history of contemporary Italian witches shows that they were descendants of a cult which worshipped the Roman goddess Diana (Jordan 1996: 98). Although many questioned his use of anecdotal evidence, some neopagans still use his book to show that witchcraft is an ancient religion.=20 It's a fine theory, but there is no evidence. No archaeologists have dug up a 'witch temple' dating from then to now. No latin or greek books on the subject. Nil. Like all religions, the adherents have blind faith, and this is one aspect of it. Margaret Murray, an amateur folklorist and professional Egyptologist, advanced similar claims. In The Witch-Cult in Western Europe (1921) and The God of the Witches (1931), she argued that witchcraft was an ancient religion by comparing Paleolithic rock art from Ariege and Dordogne depicting masked and horned dancers (Murray 1970 [1931]: 16-7) with Roman, Greek, and Celtic art, Christian depictions of the Witches' Sabbath as well as the folk dances and costumes of rural people in England and Europe. Murray concluded that witchcraft is an old religion dedicated to the worship of a nature deity known as the Horned God (1970 [1931]: 160-1). With the advance of Christianity and the witch hunts, the witches went underground and formed disparate covens. While these covens largely disappeared before the end of the Nineteenth century, Murray suggested that some had survived and had left a group of cultural artifacts that permeated European culture. For instance, she argued in The Divine King in England (1954) that the principles of kingship in Britain were inextricably bound up with the murder of the sacred king demanded by the old religion of witchcraft (Valiente 1973: 249). Murray's work draws mainly on testimony given to inquisitors by accused witches who were tortured. She postulated that because testimony from so many different individuals in different parts of Europe shared common themes, there must be something to it. More likely is that the inquisitors had a script of accusations which the tortured individuals were all too ready to agree with. Horns and masks are common themes in primitive art, to assume that pre-historic cave drawings and middle ages rituals are linked becuae of the presence of horns and masks is drawing a very long bow. After the last of the English Witchcraft laws had been repealed in 1951 and Murray's research had been published, Gerald Gardner also began to write popular treatments of witchcraft. -- from: http://sacredsource.com/all/page.pl?item=3DFSP The thing that gets me is that most wiccans (and I have known a few) are just as ignorant and deluded as most fundamentalist Xtians. They come up with all sorts of incredible stuff and seem genuinely surprised when other people are sceptical. One Wiccan I know has assured me that A) She regularly sees ghosts and dead people walking around; B) Her flat is full of 'portals' to other worlds, but they don't work when someone negative like me is around; C) She can communicate psychically with her cat. A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects
Re: [CTRL] Fwd: Wiccan Pseudohistory
-Caveat Lector- There are some scholars who claim that AIDs is caused by Paraffin on apples, and others who believe the earth was created 6,000 years ago by a big man living in the clouds. That in no way refutes the work of Raphael Patai, Merlin Stone or Marija Gimbutas. Is 'Merlin Stone' a pagan/Wiccan himself by any chance? His name certainly sounds like he is. Whether ancient Greek/Roman sects survived the millennia is quite legitimate, such as research into the Templars theology. However there are written records, documents, sites, memoirs etc to work with. The wiccans have nil in the way of evidence. It's a fine theory, but there is no evidence. No archaeologists have dug up a 'witch temple' dating from then to now. Witches do not worship in temples. Some pagans worship in temples, but not all pagans. Witches are pagans who do not. But how do you know they didn't do so at some point during the last 2,000 years? Religion has always been defined by the structures they build, and the texts they write. The Wiccans have neither. No latin or greek books on the subject. Nil. Like all religions, the adherents have blind faith, and this is one aspect of it. The religion, and the faith people have in it, are quite different things from scholarship about it.=20 Murray's work draws mainly on testimony given to inquisitors by accused witches who were tortured. She postulated that because testimony from so many different individuals in different parts of Europe shared common themes, there must be something to it. More likely is that the inquisitors had a script of accusations which the tortured individuals were all too ready to agree with. Murray's work has been discredited. So what? The point is not whether or not she was correct, but that she predated Gardner. Ergo, Gardner did not make it up. He built on the work of others. I didn't say she has been 'discredited' but most scholars agree that her conclusions are dubious. In any case, didn't Gardner claim he got most of his information from his Grandmother? (I have his book somewhere, I never fully read it though.) The thing that gets me is that most wiccans (and I have known a few) are just as ignorant and deluded as most fundamentalist Xtians.=20 We are not discussing Wiccans or their beliefs. We are discussing the work of the scholars who study them. It's a different subject. I don't know what thread you are following, but this one was in response to the document on wiccan pseudo-history, which is all about the beliefs of wiccans trying to be passed off as legitimate history. I'm sure that 90% or more of the 'scholars' who research this area are themselves Wiccan or assorted pagans, in the same way that most people who bother to study the bible are Christians, Talmudic scholars tend to be Jewish and so forth. A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Fight Club
-Caveat Lector- Fight Club is probably the best mainstream conspiracy movie since 'Conspiracy Theory'. All the classics are there: Brainwashing, split personalities, evil corporations, human sacrifice and it's an excellent movie to boot. It's defiantely worth seeing if you haven't seen it yet. A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Leviathan items
-Caveat Lector- Just a selection of the stories I have selected for today's Leviathan http://leviathan.weblogs.com East German dissidents were sprayed with radioactives to enable easier tracking: http://www.ananova.com/news/story/sm_161298.html?menu= Irish health boards face multi million pound payouts for illegally demanding fees from residents of nursing homes for years: http://www.independent.ie/2001/3/n06c.shtml and more. http://leviathan.weblogs.com A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Kwanzaa and the FBI
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An interesting item from Mathaba.net news, quoting from TownHall.com. The black
american holiday of 'Kwanzaa' was created by FBI stooges in the 60's. The 7 principles
of Kwanzaa are apparently the same 7 priciples of the SLA which the infamous picture
of Patty Hearst posing in front of a banner with tentacles displayed.
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Article Url:
http://www.townhall.com/columnists/anncoulter/ac20010101.shtml
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Kwanzaa: holiday from the FBI
Earlier this week, President Clinton issued a formal White House proclamation
celebrating the first day of Kwanzaa. His announcement began with some claptrap about
preserving "what we value of our past," and Kwanzaa being a "wonderful example" with
its "focus on the values that have sustained African-Americans through the centuries."
Except for the small historical detail that Kwanzaa was invented in 1966 amidst the
madness of the multicultural '60s by a black radical stooge of the FBI, Ron Karenga,
a.k.a. Dr. Maulana Karenga. Karenga was a founder of United Slaves, a violent
nationalist rival to the Black Panthers and a dupe of the FBI.
In what was probably ultimately a foolish gamble, during the violent '60s, the FBI
encouraged the most offensive black nationalist organizations in order both to
discredit and split the left. The more preposterous the organization, the better.
Karenga's United Slaves was perfect. Despite public perception blending the black
activists of the '60s, the Black Panthers did not hate whites and did not seek armed
revolution. That was the trope of Karenga's United Slaves. In the annals of the
American '60s, Karenga was the Father Gapon, stooge of the czarist police.
Whether Karenga was a willing dupe, or just a dupe, remains unclear. Interestingly
though, in an 1995 interview with Ethnic NewsWatch, Karenga matter-of-factly explained
that the forces out to get O.J. Simpson for the "framed" murder of two whites
included: "the FBI, the CIA, the State Department, Interpol, the Chicago Police
Department" and so on. (He further noted that "the evidence was not strong enough to
prohibit or eliminate unreasonable doubt" -- an interesting standard of proof.)
Karenga should know about FBI infiltration.
Also, in the category of the-gentleman-doth-protest-too-much, back in the '70s,
Nigerian newspapers were claiming that many American black radicals were CIA
operatives. Karenga leapt in to denounce the idea publicly, saying, "Africans must
stop generalizing about the loyalties and motives of Afro-Americans, including the
widespread suspicion of black Americans being CIA agents."
There is no question now that the FBI fueled the bloody rivalry between the Panthers
and United Slaves, leading in one outburst to the shooting of Panther Al "Bunchy"
Carter on the UCLA campus by Karenga's United Slaves. Karenga himself served time, a
useful stepping-stone for his current position as a black studies professor at
California State University at Long Beach.
Kwanzaa itself is a lunatic blend of schmaltzy '60s rhetoric, black racism and
Marxism. Indeed, the seven "principles" of Kwanzaa praise collectivism in every
possible arena of life -- economics, work, personality, even litter removal ("Kuumba:
Everyone should strive to improve the community and make it more beautiful.") It takes
a village to raise a police snitch.
Asked to distinguish Kawaida, the philosophy underlying Kwanzaa, from "classical
Marxism" in the 1995 interview, Karenga basically said that under Kawaida, we also
hate whites. While taking the "best of" -- I'm not making this up -- "early Chinese
and Cuban socialism," Kawaida practitioners believe one's racial identity "determines
life conditions, life-chances and self-understanding." There's a happy Horatio Alger
story for you.
Coincidentally, the seven principles of Kwanzaa are the very same seven principles of
the Symbionese Liberation Army, another charming invention of the Least-Great
Generation. In 1974, Patricia Hearst, kidnap victim-cum-SLA revolutionary, posed next
to the banner of her alleged captors, a seven-headed cobra. Each snake head stood for
one of the SLA's revolutionary principles (and this sounds like Saturday Night Live's
send-up of the second presidential debate in which George Bush rattled off an endless
series of Nigerian names): Umojo, Kujichagulia, Ujima, Ujamaa, Nia, Kuumba and Imani
-- precisely the seven "principles" of Kwanzaa.
With his Kwanzaa greetings, President Clinton is saluting the intellectual sibling of
the Symbionese Liberation Army, killer of housewives and police, and the founder of
United Slaves, who were such lunatics that they shot Panthers for not being
sufficiently violent -- all with the FBI as their covert ally. It's as if David Duke
invented a holiday called "Anglica," and the president of the United States issued a
presidential proclamation honoring the synthetic holiday. People
Re: [CTRL] Fwd: Wiccan Pseudohistory
-Caveat Lector- The thing to remember about Wicca, and most modern witchcraft in general, is that it was all invented in the 20th century by men (Gerald Gardner and one other who's name I don't immediately recollect). Similar to Ninjitsu, line up a publisher and claim you have found some ancient scroll/old family book. There are no existing Wiccan 'Book of Shadows' (personal magic diaries) predating the 20th century. It is all a con. A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Problems for Australian Skeptics
-Caveat Lector- I used to be a 'member' of Australian Skeptics. The reason I use ''' is that Australian Skeptics, despite having control of over a million dollars of trust money, doesn't have a membership at large, only subscribers to it's magazine. Although said magazine has been dead silent on the issue, a former President of the Australian Skeptics, Adam Joseph, (who used to appear on the Skeptics radio show on RRR in melbourne until the Scientologists had them taken off air, but that's another story) has a web-page about the incredible in-fighting in the group. One of the group's formerly most stalwart members, Harry Edwards, an author of several books on the paranormal, was expelled for 'corruption' and sued by the group, unsuccesfully. They have now threatened the Australian Rationalist magazine into not printing these facts, the article of which is to be found http://freethoughts.s5.com It makes interesting reading. In his defence, Edwards claims that the group blurs the distinctions between the Australian Skeptics Inc (aka the NSW Committee) and the Trust. He also claims that after his solicitors examined the situation, the skeptic's Trust was not set up properly and is a private Trust, not a Charitable Trust, which has tax implications for the group. An interesting article for all current and former 'members' of the Australian Skeptics, as well as no doubt many of the new-agers and Xtian fundamentalists on the list to dance around gleefully. Well it's that time of the year, so be it. My homepage http://leviathan.weblogs.com Has this sort of information, updated daily. A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] saba22@WEBTV.NET
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[CTRL] Balkans Syndrome
-Caveat Lector- Italian, Dutch, Belgian, Spanish soldiers have contracted leukemia and radiation poisoning as a result of serving in the Balkans where Depleted uranium shells are thrown around like confettei. I highlight these types of important stories daily at http://leviathan.weblogs.com This paticular story is courtesy of http://unknownnews.pitas.com/ http://sg.dailynews.yahoo.com/headlines/world/afp/article.html?s=singapore/headlines/010103/world/afp/Another_Italian_soldier_dies_of__Balkans_syndrome_.html Wednesday, January 3 8:01 AM SGT Another Italian soldier dies of "Balkans syndrome" ROME, Jan 2 (AFP) - An Italian soldier, who served in Bosnia, has died of leukemia, his family announced Tuesday, adding to the growing concern over the health of NATO military personnel who served as peacekeepers in the Balkans region. 24-year-old Salvatore Carbonaro, from Sicily, was the sixth Italian soldier to die of "Balkans syndrome," the name given to a series of health problems contracted by those who served in the former Yugoslavia. The Italian press has linked the deaths to exposure to radiation from depleted uranium contained in United States weapons used in the region. His family announced that Carbonaro, who served in Bosnia in 1998 and 1999, had died in November. The dead soldier's brother, Mauro Carbonaro, told a regional newspaper that Salvatore had been in contact with depleted uranium weapons. "Balkans syndrome" has affected soldiers from several European nations who took part in missions in the region since 1992. Besides the six Italian military fatalities linked to the syndrome, the press here has listed another 30 suspected cases on soldiers contaminated by depleted Uranium. In Belgium, five cases of cancer have been diagnosed in soldiers who worked in the Balkans, but no link with the arms has been established. Several cases of leukemia have been recorded amongst Dutch veterans of the Balkans. Spain too has launched an intensive study of some 32,000 military personnel who were on duty there. Portugal's army chief of staff said Thursday that about 900 former peacekeepers would undergo medical tests to see if they had been exposed to radiation linked to depleted uranium arms. The newspaper Publico -- citing a Lisbon cancer specialist -- reported last week that the death of a Portuguese soldier who served in Kosovo could be linked to NATO's use of the weapons in the Balkans. But a German defence ministry spokesman told the country's Welt am Sonntag newspaper that tests carried out by the German army on its Kosovo veterans over the past 12 months had not shown any radiation-linked illnesses. NATO officials said last month that US aircraft fired more than 10,000 depleted uranium projectiles in Bosnia between 1994 and 1995 as well as in Kosovo in 1999. Depleted uranium weapons are denser than conventional arms, which means they can penetrate heavy armour more easily. They were also used in Iraq in 1990 and 1991, in Bosnia during the 1994-95 war and during the air campaign against Belgrade in 1999. The Italian defence ministry has set up a commission of enquiry to investigate the mooted link between the deaths and cancer cases and the use of the depleted uranium. Some 60,000 Italian troops and 15,000 Italian civilians have taken part in missions in the former Yugoslavia since 1995. A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Australian Skeptics
-Caveat Lector- I have had a few experiences with Australian Skeptics: 1) I attended several conferences where Australian Skeptics had to be forcibly ejected due to their public behaviour. They yelled, cat called and jeered continually during lectures, and made it difficult for anyone else to hear what was being discussed. 2) I have been invited onto three radio shows, all run by Australian Skeptics members. Each time, I was told outright lies about what the show was, and what they wanted to discuss. For example, Adam Joseph (who was removed from the airwaves NOT by Scientologists, but because his drug habits were becoming too embarrassingly public) I don't know about this. Are you at liberty to reveal your source? Knowing 3RRR, using a few drugs is probably a requisite for going on air! There were other presenters of the show also, it was actually quite a good amateur science show at times. I used to be a subscriber but I am now boycotting them due to the Skeptics removal, and their refusal to run advertisements for the big Melbourne Pro-Gun Rally a few years back. And, unless they made the whole thing up, the Scientologists did send their wagon-train of lawyers to 3RRR several times to protest their name being mentioned on air as this was religious harassment. The skeptics were told not to mention the $cientologists in derogatory terms (or at all), did so subsequently and were removed by fascist Steven Walker (who is no longer the program manager last time I looked). invited me onto his show to discuss alternative health issues. Once I was on air I realised it was an ambush. He wanted the public to know that I was a neo-nazi, with fascist leanings. (Another example of their blatant lies and filth). Their prime witness was an ex-neo nazi, and some-time journalist called David Grierson. Grierson, with a history of mental instability, has been on a personal vendetta against myself and my magazine after I rejected his sexual advances in a hotel in Tripoli, Libya. Greason (I think that's his name) is a little worm, I have read his book shamelessly called 'I was a Teenage Fascist'. He seems to have made a career out of being an ex-nazi, he now writes for the 'Australian Jewish News'! As far as his sexuality, I wouldn't want to judge but knowing the sort of mental type he is (it is clear from reading his book) I am quite willing to accept that he would bear a grudge in this manner. Another example is so-called journalist, Philip Adams. He invited me onto his show to defend myself against his accusations that I was a neo-nazi. I told his program director that I would be in the USA during the time he wanted me on his show. Needless to say, the show aired without me, special guest prosecutor was the sexually rejected David Grierson, and I was smeared, lied about and basically shat upon. The told listeners that I had been invited onto the show, but 'for some reason had declined to come on'. You should have issued the ABC a writ for slander. As soon as they call you a nazi, assuming they don't have any credible evidence (the closest I have seen is the claim that someone used to sell nazi stickers from your post office box. Which is odd because for many years I seem to recall you used the Post Office as your mailing address, not a box. [note that this is just my recollection, which may well be faulty]). The Australian Skeptics, as an organisation, and as members, have a sorry track-record. They are guilty of resorting to the same tactics as their targets. I don't disagree with the aims of the group, but their poor management led me to not renew my subscription (along with generally poor quality and a hefty price rise). If their magazine was published with the same quality as Nexus, I would resubscribe tomorrow. They profess to exist to protect innnocents from being lied to and ripped off, and yet they do exactly that. The Skeptics groups around the world remind me of true fascists, information fascists. Unless we all conform to 'expert' facts, then we risk being attacked by these thugs. The article by Harry Edwards is interesting, as he points out that in his case they gave him no chance to respond to the allegations and refused to examine his evidence refuting it. Maybe you should email him and offer to print the article? A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us
Re: [CTRL] Netbusters
-Caveat Lector- On Mon, 1 Jan 2001 18:00:41 -0700 BB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -Caveat Lector- CTRL seems to be inundated with graduates of the "How to disrupt a reasonable discussion group and turn it into a disgusting mess of squabblers and pig-mouths" School of Left-wing Infiltrators. Wonder where they all came from?? Russia, no doubt about it. A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Christians and Conspiracy Theory
-Caveat Lector- On Tue, 2 Jan 2001 09:25:34 - "c." [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -Caveat Lector- i been a lilly fan for some time, seems relevant to the thread- and to xtians who seem to have a stranglehold on what was really going on back in the garden. From "Hebrew Myths" by Robert Graves and Raphael Patai: Some say the God created man and woman in His own image on the Sixth Day, giving them charge over the world, but that Eve did not yet exist. Now, God had set Adam to name every beast, bird and other living thing. When they passed before him in pairs, male and female, Adam --being already like a twenty-year-old man-- felt jealous of their loves, and though he tried coupling with each female creature in turn, found no satisfaction in the act. He therefore cried: "Every creature but I has a proper mate!" and prayed God would remedy this injustice. [1] God wanted Adam to choose one of the animals as his mate. God then formed Lilith, the first woman, just as He had formed Adam, except that he used filth and sediment instead of pure dust. From Adam's union with this demoness, and with another like her named Naamah, Tubal Cain's sister, sprang Asmodeus and innumerable demons that still plague mankind. Many generations later, Lilith and Naamah came to Solomon's judgement seat, disguised as harlots of Jerusalem. [2] Strangely all this (and the following) seems to get left out of Sunday School classes, leading to the millions of Christians who have wondered 'If Adam and Eve had 2 children, Cain and Abel, and Cain killed Abel, where did everyone else come from?'. A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Cereal Murders
-Caveat Lector- I was assuming this was a deliberate misspelling in the Hoffmann article as some sort of occult parable. However another article posted today to the list, from a newspaper I believe, also used the expression 'Cereal Killer'. While it has been the subject of many jokes over the years, perhaps the best is Neil Gaiman's run of Sandman where the serial killers have a convention in an out of the way hotel called a 'cereal convention'. What's going on here? Is everyone playing a joke on me? Has everyone forgotten what to spell? Incidentally, my Weblog http://leviathan.weblogs.com is back online after the usual mysterious lockout I have every couple of months. A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Fw: Lima Sex Maniacs
-Caveat Lector- Uh huh. Not wanted: Men. They also don't want any 'obese' body-types. I don't live in Lima either, so I guess that's three strikes. On Tue, 2 Jan 2001 07:58:32 -0500 Ynr Chyldz Wyld [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -Caveat Lector- The following came in today from a list which announces the formation of new email lists. I have no intention of joining, if only because it sounds extremely sexist, but also because it implies acceptance of sexual molestation and abuse of children under the umbrella of 'consensual incest'...and I resent that they are usurping the term 'libertarian' to describe themselves... Is this a 'conspiracy' to undermine the true tenets of the Libertarian party? June - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, January 02, 2001 3:38 AM ENGLISH-LANGUAGE SECTION Primary language: standard (British or American) English Secondary language: standard Spanish (not compulsory but a good smattering will do) Moderated: Yes (peoples of all ages are heartily invited) Description: We are an association of libertarian husbands and libertarian wives who practise group sex, polygamy, consensual incest, human commensalism, homeschooling. We should like to make up one or more intentional communities of many polyamorous clans in which we will rear our descendants under the libertarian/objectivist guidelines and sexual freedom as rational permissiveness. Wanted: Clans, formerly nuclear families, single mothers with daughters, formerly monogamous conventional couples, women (ALL ages up to 40 years, ALL body builds save the obese, ALL races) living in Lima City, Republic of Lima, South America (Yes! We intend to be a sexually liberated new nation). In case you do not live in Lima and plan to come here, none of the members is compelled to pay your travelling expenses, but we will find a nice but spartan accommodations with us when you arrive in Lima. Not Wanted: Men. How to subscribe: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (if you happen not to like our Terms of Membership automatically forwarded to you, then [EMAIL PROTECTED] ). If you have any doubts, comments or suggestions, please let me know them, [EMAIL PROTECTED] . SPANISH-LANGUAGE SECTION Idioma primario: inglés convencional británico y/o americano Idioma secundario: español español convencional (no es obligatorio) Moderada: Si (invitamos gentilmente a mujeres de todas las edades) Descripción: Somos una asociación libertaria/objetivista de esposos y esposas que practicamos el sexo en grupo, la poligamia, el comensalismo humano, creando varios clanes en comunas sexuales. Criamos a nuestras(os) hijas(os) con los principios libertarios y de libertad sexual mediante "homeschooling". Buscamos: Clanes, familias otrora nucleares, madres solteras con hijas, parejas convencionales otrora monógamas, mujeres (todas las edades hasta 40 años, todos los físicos salvo obesas, todas las razas) que vivan en la ciudad de Lima, República de Lima, Sudamérica (¡Si! Queremos ser una nueva nación sexualmente libre.) En caso que no viva en Lima y desee participar, ningún miembro correrá con los costos de su viaje, pero le encontraremos un bonito pero espartano alojamiento con nosotros cuando Vd. llegue a Lima. No buscamos: Hombres. Cómo suscribirse: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (si no le gusta a Vd. nuestros Términos enviados automáticamente, entonces [EMAIL PROTECTED] ). Si Vd. tiene alguna duda, comentario o sugerencia, por favor comuníquemelo a [EMAIL PROTECTED] A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed.
Re: [CTRL] abuse in great britian
-Caveat Lector- It all comes down to the definition of abuse. Unless you raise your child in a bubble, 90% of parents will have committed 'abuse' by some standards. Note that the article doesn't mention sexual abuse, which is important. Smack your child? Lock it in it's room for a while? Give it a glass of watered wine? Yell at it? Make it miss a meal for something particularly naughty? Fail to pick it up from school on time? You could be guilty of abuse by some standards. http://leviathan.weblogs.com A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Mad Cow Disease.
-Caveat Lector- For those interested in 'Mad Cow Disease', this seems to be a good resource webpage http://www.mad-cow.org/ A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] CLuM Dualism (Solstice marked by sacrifice)
-Caveat Lector- Kansan is obviously a disciple of the 'fightin Jesus, of the One True True Religion. Is the One True God the Angry God of the Old Testament, who destroys babies, women, races? Is he the God of the New Testament (the pepsi lite God)? Is he the New Age God of theological illiterates? Is he the all-forgiving God of the Roman Catholics? The financially needy God of the televangelists? The All-Seeing God of the worried small children? The space God JHVH-1, sent from another star to destroy the Earth? Is he the God who whispers to all the schitzophrenics? Who knows? Who cares? Just forget about God the same way you should forget about Jesus. The New Millennia will be the new age of Atheism, Pantheism, anything but Christianity! A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Marrs-Is someone preventing our exploration of Mars?
-Caveat Lector- I am fairly sceptical about BEMs but I also have my suspicions. Remember how there was a rash of mysterious meteorite strikes and satellite problems around the time of the Mars explorer? Maybe they little green men are fighting back, but the governments are covering it up sucessfully? On Sat, 30 Dec 2000 13:22:47 -0800 Nessie [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Al-Kitab al-Thalith al-Kansan al-Riyadhi
-Caveat Lector- What do the P U.K.E. call themselves? Trancendental Meditationists? Scientologists? Hare Krishnas? A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Hallelujah I am saved!
-Caveat Lector- On Tue, 26 Dec 2000 22:39:14 -0800 Vera Harper [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -Caveat Lector- Johannes, forgive my tongue, but you are an inane bumbling idiot. You are forgiven, it's only Christian after all. No man should ever pretend to know anything about nothing and then think he is smart. I cannot imagine anyone being so illiterate about God and in the same breath pretend to know all about Him. Your senseless statements prove just how dull-witted you are. And life will never go on without Jesus' Truth and you should be glad for that. Life goes on just dandy in many parts of the world without Jesus or his busy bodies, as it has for the vast majority of history. It gives you that much more time to realize the error of your ways. Forget about Jesus? Yeah right. He is the only lifeline we have to a better future and the only way you will reach real happiness in life. Forsake your pitiful god, self, and embrace the real. Johannes, the Lord seeks to find you, just turn and recieve true life. You think you are so open minded? Seek God right now, wherever you are, with true faith, believe that if He is there you will know, or if He isn't you will know, but be open. If you do this in all truth, you will know more than you did five minutes ago. I am an o Hallelujah! I can feel the Holy Spirit rising and I am going to start speaking in tongues in a minute! I will still make more sense than you though. pen minded soul, and this worked for me. I thought I was so damned smart and open minded. But as my grandpa says "Don't be so open-minded that your brains fall out". Good luck, Jessie You should have taken your Grandfather's advice, unfortunately Christianity has shrunken your brain, which has been clinically proven to occur in many cases. asddjdjjsde33! asdsajlk Jesus Jesus adssad jkewrjwe! I can see the Doktors are coming to take me to Maximum Security Insanity Prison, where all committed Christians are held until the drugs take effect! Halleluja and Happy New Millennium everyone. A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Fwd: Re: [CTRL] License to Kill
-Caveat Lector- I quite agree that Negros don't have souls. I don't believe white people have souls either. Praise Him! On Sun, 31 Dec 2000 01:49:25 -0800 Kindred Spirit [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -Caveat Lector- ROTFL!! J2 does not suffer fools gladly, does he? This does seem to be what is being fished for with the inquiry. J2 aims to please. LOL! Kindred Johannes Schmidt III wrote: -Caveat Lector- I believe there was some serious public debate at the time about whether Negros had souls, and this was somewhat of a compromise. And I'm not being fecetious either. Negros don't have souls. J2 A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Flynn not a Nazi spy?
-Caveat Lector- http://www.theage.com.au/entertainment/2000/12/31/FFX1U15LDHC.html Flynn spied for Allies, not Germans LONDON Sunday 31 December 2000 Australian-born Hollywood star Errol Flynn spied for Britain and the Allies during World War II, according to classified British documents. London's Telegraph newspaper reported that the Home Office had MI5 papers dispelling claims that the star was a Nazi sympathiser. The documents, which are still classified more than 50 years after the end of the war, detail how the actor offered to help Britain's security services. They show how Flynn was willing to exploit family connections in the then neutral Irish Republic for the Allied cause. Relatives and friends are now calling for the release of the documents, which they believe will restore the star's reputation following a series of biographies that have repeated claims that he secretly supported Hitler. The papers say the hell-raiser was a patriot who was willing to do all he could to help the Allied cause. His rejection by the armed forces because of a heart murmur made him determined to help in more unconventional ways. British Labour MP Harry Cohen has petitioned Home Secretary Jack Straw to release the secret files. Flynn, who was born in Hobart and who died in 1959, made his name in such films as The Adventures of Robin Hood. He was previously accused of sympathising with Hitler based on his association with Dr Hermann Erben, an Austrian who served in the German military intelligence. AAP A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Sexbots
-Caveat Lector- Back in the real world, I think a lot would depend how much these sex bots cost. By it's very nature, sexual self-stimulation is fairly low-tech, which I'm sure most would use in preference to an expensive android. Similarly, I'm sure it would be cheaper to pay for a mistress' room and board than something that would cost more than a decent motor car, not to mention sex workers. On Sat, 30 Dec 2000 00:12:48 -0500 Kelly [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -Caveat Lector- From http://slashdot.org/features/99/03/09/1544207.shtml Engineers, programmers and futurists believe that programmable robots that provide sexual companionship are likely to be commonplace in the 21st century, at more or less the same time as computers become able to process information as quickly as the human brain. The implications of tactile sexbots, likely to contain vibrators, sound systems and other equipment, are as significant as they are unexamined. If you thought the fight over the CDA was bad, wait till Rev. Falwell and his many pious friends in Congress discover Sexbots. For better or worse, computing might be breaking down another big wall. Techno-futurists have a sorry record when it comes to predicting technology and the future. Remember the intergalactic travel that was the centerpiece of Disney's Tomorrowland? The magnetic hover cars, cancer cures, and climate-control systems that were supposed to have been long in place by the Millenium? And only a handful of technologists imagined how big the Net would get. But here's a futuristic vision that's a far surer and troubling bet than e-sex: sexbots. For several years now, engineers and futurists have been writing (quietly) in academic journals and other venues about the intuitive computer-programmed robots - sexual companions that contain vibrators to provide tactile stimulation and sounds systems to provide love talk - that some researchers believe are likely to become commonplace in the next century. A few years ago, these predictions could have been brushed off as more digital hype, but computers are obviously becoming more intelligent and intuitive, and are fast processing information as rapidly as the human brain. Inventors and futurists like Ray Kurzweil (author of The Age of Spiritual Machines), are guaranteeing that computers will equal or surpass human intelligence early in the 21st century. So sexbots not only don't seem far-fetched, they seem likely. The contemporary news media, odd in many ways, are never more so than when it comes to their reticence to talk openly about sex (unless it's Presidential). They talk about sex scandals and Viagra, but the ordinary experience of sexuality is almost a taboo. The Net has liberated sex from XXX-rated movie theaters and porn parlors - it's the third biggest money-maker online, after e-trading and shopping. For better or worse, it's hard to think of a bigger killer app for computing and software than sexbots. According to a computing engineer who asked not to be quoted, prototypes of sexbots already exist in Japan. "I guarantee you," he e-mailed me, "that within 25 years, programmable, digital sexbots will be in many, if not most, American homes and apartments." The idea of sexbots will be horrifying to many, for whom the very idea of mechanized, roboticized human passion is beyond any Orwellian nightmare. Mary Shelley, who warned in the novel "Frankenstein" about scientists playing God, and the horrors of unthinking technology, would have flipped-out over the very idea of sexbots. Yet for some people - the lonely, the severely handicapped, the isolated - sexbots could be a great relief and release. And for others - unhappy spouses, troubled adolescents - digitalized, mechanized sexuality is an open invitation to addiction or to avoiding problems of face-to-face human contact. Robotic sex would also eliminate the emotional component of sex. Like fertility drugs and cloning, this is the kind of technological issue in urgent need of discussion and consideration, even though history suggests it won't be thought about much at all in advance. Like the drugs that give couples the option of having seven or eight children at once, or the medical technology that prolongs life sometimes beyond reason, sexbots, will simply be here one day, and we'll be on our own when they appear. But sexbots are a techno-prediction that has the ring of truth. Writer Joel Snell predicted in l997 (he's quoted in Richard Rhodes new book Visions of Technology) that robots providing sexual companionship were likely to see widespread use in the future. Snell could foresee the problems. Marriages might be damaged or destroyed if spouses choose sex with sexbots over making love with their mates. Jealous lovers might destroy sexbot rivals, or sue manufacturers for emotional damage. On the other hand, Snell pointed out, people seeking clarity about their sexual identities would have a safe, reliable way to experiment.
[CTRL] Interesting Email
-Caveat Lector- This was forwarded to me recently, while I don't necessarily agree with all the soapboxing about how people living in Auschwitz shouldn't be allowed to earn a living, the substance is interesting. Disco Inferno A recent newspaper article, which I'd assume is from API or UPI, and was buried on the 18th page of my local paper, totally floored me. I'll quote the title verbatim : "Investor allowed to open disco near Auschwitz ". Anyone with a decent knowledge of the WWII era would have to be appalled. For those young enough to have had high school history courses that skip WWII in favor of, say, the 1960's civil rights movement, I should point out that Auschwitz was the site of the most notorious of the Nazi death camps. Approximately 1 million people were killed there, either by injection of phenol into the heart or by cyanide gas. Some of the camp buildings and structures have been preserved, more or less as a memorial to those killed, and as a reminder to future generations of what happens when goons like Janet Reno are given unchecked power. It is, or was, unthinkable that anyone would try to exploit the site for commercial profit. The Polish name for the town is Oswiecim, the name that appears on current European road maps. The town's administrator is Adam Bilski, who is quoted in the article about the disco : "One can consider whether it is moral or not, but that's another matter." Well, duh, I have considered it and I think it sucks. Just recently I flew to Warsaw on unrelated business ( arranging for the purchase of surplus small arms and ammunition for my employer ) and wound up having a few days to kill at the conclusion of the negotiations. I decided to rent a car and drive to Oswiecim to see whether the club really existed and, if so, to try to learn more about it. Folks, it is not a pretty picture. The disco is located in a former tannery that employed slave labor from the camp. Although the club's Polish name, Dyskoteka Smierc, is on a neon sign on the roof, what caught my eye was a reproduction wrought iron gate with the inscription ( in German ) "Arbeit Macht Frei" over the gateway. Knowledgeable readers will recognize this as the same inscription on the actual front gate to the death camp which has been preserved all these years. A loose translation is "Through Work, Freedom". I arrived in the late evening in time for the second floor show. ( Two floor shows each evening intermix with the usual DJ and public dancing.) This floor show was the most tasteless display of public obscenity I've ever witnessed. The featured "musical" group this evening used the English name "Nat Negritti and His Nasty Nigger Nazis". I wish I was making this up. The group consisted of 5 extremely faggy black males who wore nothing but crotchless lavender leotards, Nazi armbands, and SS Officers caps. Between mincing and strutting about the stage they belted out horribly accurate versions of 1970's disco vomit like "YMCA" and "Disco Inferno". The latter number included a stage set where effeminate young Jewish boys ( local talent ? ) were fed into a mock oven by members of the band. Needless to say, I left early. Next morning I was moaning about the revolting act to a Polish associate. He reproached me saying that Americans were the largest investors in the club. I couldn't believe it, and asked him to get a listing of the investors backing the club. ( In Poland, a small bribe will buy any government or banking information. ) That afternoon, he gave me a computer printout with 20 or so corporate/investment group names on it which I had time to glance at on my flight back to the U.S. The printout did not list the dollar amounts of the investments, just names and addresses. All but one were European. The one U.S.entity was T.E.I of Little Rock, Arkansas. It didn't ring a bell, so I forgot about it for a couple of weeks. Then I got a tip from a more or less disreputable private investigator from Arkansas I'd done business with before, telling me I should check out T.E.I. Well, hold onto your hats. T.E.I. turns out to be Tyson's Entertainment Investments, an Arkansas company headed by Tyson of Tyson's Chicken fame - the same puke who made Hillary's cattle futures account blossom illegally. After much pain and agony I obtained a list of the top 5 shareholders in T.E.I. ( drum roll ): 1) Donald Tyson 2) Hillary Rodham Clinton 3) Steven Spielberg 4) Barbara Streisand 5) Jesse Jackson, Jr. Have the Clintons no shame at all ? What would Hillary's N.Y. Jewish constituents-to-be think of her latest investment ? The other 4 people on the list are known crooks, moral defectives, and flatulent gasbags, but surely the N.Y. citizenry deserve more from their future Senator, no ? George Kranz, Dachau-on-Hudson, NY http://leviathan.weblogs.com http://www.georgekranz.com/gk/mainframe.htm A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion
