[CTRL] Conclusive proof: Wyoming Sheriff Story is a Hoax
-Caveat Lector- A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/" /A -Cui Bono?- PLEASE circulate as far and wide as the hoax story. Well the jig is up. I spoke with Sheriff Mattis on the telephone yesterday, Friday 21 January 2000. VERY pleasant guy. At first. I told him I had seen all over the infomation about the "case" and/or "settlement" and that I'd like a copy of the final settlement that specified the statement(s) that have been quoted. HE WOULD NOT PROVIDE IT. He asked where I was from. I responded that had little to do with the issue at hand but that I was from Maryland just the same. He responded in a very clear and calm manner that since I was clearly not a citizen of Wyoming he was under no obligation to assist me. I thought he was worried that with a big file of the case it would be expensive. I offered to send him via check, money order or wire a total of 50 dollars to cover any and all expenses and that should it cost more that I would be more than happy to submit further funds. At this point he became rude and I was told that he would not help since I was not a citizen of Wyoming. He then asked if I worked for a federal agency, since I live in Maryland and was making calls about this issue. I told him I wasn't. Realizing that this was going to get me nowhere, I decided to hang up. If there is ANYONE who gets this and is in fact from Wyoming, PLEASE submit immediately a Freedom of Information Law/Act request to this man's office. In any case, it looks like when it came time to put up or shut up, "Sheriff" Mattis decided to shut up. __ FREE Personalized Email at Mail.com Sign up at http://www.mail.com?sr=mc.mk.mcm.tag001 A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soap-boxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] FWD: Mattis is a Hoax
Note: Please follow the links and notice that the story HAS KEPT ON CHANGING. And as was pointed out, Mattis CAN NOT and/or WILL NOT provide a copy of the "settlement" or the "court order" or whatever. Chalk one more up to urban (or would this be rural) legend. --Original Message-- From: "Steve Washam" To: APFN ONELIST Sent: January 22, 2000 9:09:09 PM GMT Subject: [apfn] (Fwd) CHECK FACTS re: WYOMING SHERIFFS From: "Steve Washam" The commentary referenced below: Incrementalism on steroids http://www.worldnetdaily.com/bluesky_metcalf/2117_xcgme_incrementa.shtml --- Forwarded Message Follows --- From: "Steve Washam" To: "Geoff Metcalf" Date sent: Sat, 22 Jan 2000 11:15:35 -0800 Subject:CHECK FACTS re: WYOMING SHERIFFS Copies to: "WND News Team bcc" Mr. Metcalf, One of the things I love about WorldNetDaily is the way reporters check their facts and contact original sources before going "live" with a story. Unfortunately, your recent commentary of January 17, 2000 was an exception to the rule. There are some wonderful things happening in Big Horn County which indeed should receive better exposure. However, by re-posting what is essentially internet rumors the cause of truth suffers -- not just for you, but for everyone associated with your outlets and the effort for freedom and local control. Here is the source for the material you used, without checking facts for yourself: http://www.cybersurf.co.uk/~johnny/sbt/wyoming.html Here are two additional articles about the same situation, also from 1997: http://www.geocities.com/TheTropics/Shores/4190/fedsout.htm http://www.valint.net/php/sew/can/CAN00010.TXT You will note that although they all purport to deal with the same situation, the facts are reported differently. My suspicion is that the first report listed above, the one which generated so much interest when recirculated recently, is somewhat embellished. It always amazes me how much interest is generated when the local control option comes up, but how little people are willing to do to come up with documented facts. Thanks for reading. Steve Washam County Action _ "I tolerate with the utmost latitude the right of others to differ from me in opinion" Thomas Jefferson "My people are destroyed for lack of knowledge.!" Hosea 4:6 or "There ain't no knowledge in the SECOND kick from a mule!" APFN ADVISOR American Patriot Friends Network (APFN) http://www.esotericworldnews.com/pledge.jpg APFN EMAIL LIST SUBSCRIBE/UNSCBSCRIBE IN SUBJECT LINE TO: [EMAIL PROTECTED] APFN ONELIST: http://www.onelist/subscribe.cgi/apfn APFN CONTENTS: http://www.esotericworldnews.com/apfncont.htm APFN MSG BOARD: http://www.insidetheweb.com/mbs.cgi/mb77532 The Judicial Accountability Initiative Law http://www.jail4judges.org/ __ FREE Personalized Email at Mail.com Sign up at http://www.mail.com?sr=mc.mk.mcm.tag001 Please click above to support our sponsor
Re: [CTRL] Who Owns Knowledge?
-Caveat Lector- A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"
/A -Cui Bono?-
The US ministry of justice ceded publication rights in federal laws to West
Publishing...
This happy little myth is crap.
There is an argument floating around the freedom movement that the "law" is
copyrighted, which is
utterly crazy. The "Law" is owned by the public and cannot be copyrighted.
Back in 1834, two reporters
for the U.S. Supreme Court got involved in a legal battle over the cases of
the Supreme Court. In
Wheaton v. Peters, 8 Pet. 591, 668, 33 U.S. 591 (1834), the Supreme Court
declared that "no reporter ...
can have any copyright in the written opinions delivered by this court".
Decisions of the courts belong to
the public and nobody can copyright those decisions.
West Publishing Company, one of the largest publishers of legal materials,
knows that it cannot
copyright cases. It places in its electronic versions of the cases the
following caveat:
"Copyright (c) West Group 1998 No claim to original U.S. Govt. works
952 F.Supp. 647, McCann v. Greenway, (W.D.Mo. 1997)
"Copyright (c) West Group 1998 No claim to original U.S. Govt. works
974 F.Supp. 1411, Sadlier v. Payne, (D.Utah 1997)"
But what about statutes? This is addressed in 17 U.S.C. §105: "Subject
matter of copyright: United
States Government works:"
"Copyright protection under this title is not available for any work of the
United States Government,
but the United States Government is not precluded from receiving and holding
copyrights transferred
to it by assignment, bequest, or otherwise."
Those arguing that the "law is copyrighted" are utterly wrong. But this
argument is an important part of
the argument for those who promote the grand theory that "we are still
subjects of the British crown"
under the apparent contention that the "King" (or Queen Elizabeth) still
today "owns" the law.
As shown above, public documents belong to the public and cannot be
copyrighted. When any court
decides any case, anyone may go obtain a copy of that decision. I can get
any decision, you can and West
Publishing can. I may, you may and West does publish those cases. I could
start my own company
publishing these cases and making them available to whoever would buy them.
However, I doubt that I
would stay in business long against West. It has hundreds of people employed
by it who get these cases,
read them, and make little "headnotes" about various legal points in the
cases. It publishes these cases in
nicely bound books. It takes the "headnotes" it generates for these cases
and puts them into a legal
encyclopedias which group all "headnotes" of all cases in specific
categories. Using West, studying and
finding "law" has been made a lot easier.
West also has a competitor, Lawyers Co-op. The federal government publishes
acts of Congress in a
set of books called the Statutes at Large ("Stat."). In large university
libraries, you can find the Statutes at
Large. However, the feds also publish the United States Code, which is
simply stated the Statutes at Large
organized in a more methodical fashion via titles. You can find the "true
blue" (but it is really red in color)
U.S. Code in many libraries. However, since the Code is a public document,
anybody can copy it. Here,
West and Lawyers Co-op are fierce competitors, with one publishing USCA and
the other USCS. Both
contain accurate reprints of the various uncopyrightable sections and titles
of the official U.S. Code.
However, West employs hundreds of people who read and categorize cases. West
puts summaries of
many cases at the end of sections of the U.S. Code, so when you engage in
legal research, cases regarding
a specific statute are there at your fingertips. Lawyers Co-op does the same
thing. All of this other writing
in these versions of the Code was created by these companies and this is the
material which is copyrighted
in these books.
I never use the official U.S. Code and neither does anyone else. It just
sits up there on the top shelf in
our local law library gathering dust. The reason nobody uses the official
version is because of the absence
of the handy research materials like case summaries and other references. If
I have a conspiracy case, I
pull USCS, turn to Title 18, U.S.C., § 371, and start reading the very
refined annotations at the end of the
section which quickly point you to the relevant cases. It wasn't always this
way, however. Years ago, the
states officially published their own legal materials, cases and codes and
West was the competitor. As time
passed, West acquired dominant market share because its books were superior.
Legislatures would
appropriate funds for official case books, which were often large, expensive
books with large print. West
published smaller books with smaller print and its publications were
obviously cheaper. Why would
anyone buy from the state its publication of the cases when (for probably
the same price) you could buy
from West its regional reporter containing cases not only from
Re: [CTRL] Homo Teacher Charged with Having Sex with a Minor
-Caveat Lector- A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/" /A -Cui Bono?- BUT I don't think that they're ALL guilty of the described crime, nor do I think\ MOST of them would perpetuate such an act... Shhh! Don't you know all homosexuals are sitting around planning how to molest all kids? for every homo-rape like this there are HUNDREDS of guy teachers doing similar things to little girls... And as Mary Kay Loturneau (sp?) has shown female teachers go after male students sometimes too. If THAT represents a lifestyle too ta' you then at least you're intellectually honest...but I doubt you'd cop to that. Having sex with little girls and little boys is a lifestyle: a criminal one. Whatever the circumstances teachers should NOT have sex with students. But of course, you'll never see from the person who posted this the cases of heterosexual teachers molesting kids. As you pointed out, this is intellectual dishonesty. __ FREE Personalized Email at Mail.com Sign up at http://www.mail.com?sr=mc.mk.mcm.tag001 A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soap-boxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Homo Teacher Charged with Having Sex with a Minor
-Caveat Lector- A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/" /A -Cui Bono?- Let us all be vigilant in monitoring the extent of the "establishment media thugs" coverage of this story. Let's also see if it gets more or less coverage than when heterosexual teachers molest kids. THAT would be the better barometer. __ FREE Personalized Email at Mail.com Sign up at http://www.mail.com?sr=mc.mk.mcm.tag001 A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soap-boxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Homo Teacher Charged with Having Sex with a Minor
And if the story was about the heterosexual rape of a female student by a male teacher, you'd be here making as big a fuss about it as this? Who are you kidding? If the issue was RAPE, who cares if it was homosexual or heterosexual? The ONLY issue at hand is a teacher taking advantage of a student. I don't care what the specific plumbing of the participants was: the teacher should sit behind bars and the student should remain anonymous (I am a 100% believer that the names of a child victim should be sealed and whatever reporter pusblishes it should rot in hell or a prison cell under a contmept charge for awhile.) __ FREE Personalized Email at Mail.com Sign up at http://www.mail.com?sr=mc.mk.mcm.tag001 At 12:51 AM 1/20/00 , you wrote: -Caveat Lector- A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/ /A -Cui Bono?- From: The Extremist [EMAIL PROTECTED] Just a lifestyle, huh? What if it was your child? Pedophilia has as much to do with homosexuality between consenting adults as it does to heterosexuality between consenting adults. No one points fingers at adult consenting heterosexuals when some pervert molests a little girl...there is no reason to equate the molestation of a minor boy to adult consenting homosexuality. June The story is about homosexual rape. I find it hard to hard to grasp the concept of heterosexuals commiting homosexual rape. If they did they wouldn't be heterosexual anymore, would they? Scoreboard: Defenders of minor children: 1 Defenders of Homos: 3 What ever happened to the For the Children crowd? ** [EMAIL PROTECTED] The Patriot Resource Center: http://www.geocities.com/CapitolHill/6627/ **Live Free or Die!**
[CTRL] Wyoming Sheriff Hoax Revealed
-Caveat Lector- A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"
/A -Cui Bono?-
Well I am shocked. For people who take pride in picking apart government
statements to find conspiracy theories all over, you take this story at face
value. So I've decided to do it for you, since clearly you cannot.
Let's go to the original post, in its entirety with point by point
refutations:
WYOMING SHERIFF PUTS FEDERAL OFFICERS ON CHOKE CHAINS
County sheriffs in Wyoming are insisting that all federal law
enforcement officers and personnel from federal regulatory agencies must
clear all their activities in a Wyoming county
with the Sheriff's Office.
(There is only one "sheriff" cited, and as we are about to see, that
"sheriff" is questionable.)
Speaking at a press conference following the recent US District Court
decision (case No 2:96-cv-099-J), Bighorn County Sheriff Dave Mattis stated
that all federal officials are forbidden to enter his county without his
prior approval.
(Now, look at this. RECENT decsion, and yet the Case notes below say
"Closed: 29th April 1997". April 1997 is RFECENT in relation to January
2000? Next, let's look at "Sheriff" Dave Mattis. Again, let's see the case
notes say the party is "Case: Castaneda v. USA" not "Mattis v. USA" or even
"Castaneda et. al. v. USA". Now, the case number. Here the case number is
"No 2:96-cv-099-J" below in the case notes it is "Case No: 2:1996cv00099" no
J in sight and "96" becomes "1996". I'll forgo the hyphen problems, that'd
just be petty.)
"If a sheriff doesn't want the Feds in his county, he has the Constitutional
power and Right to keep them out -or- ask them to leave -or- retain them in
custody."
(Ok, nice quote from this "phantom" Sheriff Castaneda...er...Mattis I mean.
This ability to quote will become important later.)
The court decision came about after Mattis other members of the Wyoming
Sheriffs' Association brought a suit against both the BATF and the IRS in
the Wyoming federal court district seeking restoration of the protections
enshrined in the United States Constitution and the Wyoming Constitution.
(Now, court decision. BUT as has been shown before in other posts, it was
NOT a court decision but a "settlement". Here's a quote from one post: "His
case was settled with a settlement, he says, not a court decision." Now, I
know this is double hearsay, but then again all YOU havei is double hearsay,
so if yours is acceptable, so is mine. AND let's also note that any
Lexis-Nexis or Westlaw search will show NO such suit filed in ANY Wyoming
case. In fact the ONLY case with the Wyoming Sheriff's Association involved
retirement benefits, and was to mention that the petitioner was a member of
the group.)
The District Court ruled in favor of the sheriffs,
("Castaneda v. USA" not "Castandea et. al. v. USA. Can't keep the story
straight, can they?)
stating that, "Wyoming is a sovereign state and the duly elected sheriff of
a county is the highest law enforcement official within a county and has law
enforcement powers exceeding that of any other state or federal official."
(WHERE IS THIS DOCUMENT? They can quote the document, but NO ONE seems to be
able to provide it. Now, wether it is a settlement, a court order, or some
scribble on a napkin, they seem to be able to quote it. And yet when asked
to provide it, they suddenly say "Well, it is under gag" or "The "Sheriff"
doesn't have it." IF it was a judiciaul determination, a settlement,
WHATEVER, then the parties to the case WOULD have a CERTIFIED copy of the
final order or determination. And CLEARLY they do, since they QUOTED it. But
suddenly when pressed, they cannot produce it? Sounds like something out of
the Clinton playbook: "I don't know where those billing records are,
Senator, but I can assure you as to what they say and can quote them to
you.")
The Wyoming sheriffs are demanding access to all BATF files to verify that
the agency is not violating provisions of Wyoming law that prohibit the
registration of firearms or the keeping of a registry of firearm owners.
(Yep, and those files are the same place as this fictious court
order/settlement. Namely: never never land.)
The sheriffs are also demanding that federal agencies immediately cease the
seizure of private property and the impoundment of private bank accounts - -
- without regard to due process in state courts.
(I have a friend who is a tax attorney. He's going to pull up a few cases
from Wyoming since 1997 for failure to pay income tax liens and seizures by
the Federal Government. When he gives them to me, I'll post here. Suffice to
say this is all but certainly crap.)
Sheriff Mattis stated,
(Shouldn't that be Castaneda?)
"I am reacting to the actions of federal employees who have attempted to
deprive citizens of my county of their privacy, their liberty, and their
property without regard to constitutional safeguards.
(By completely ignoring the supremecy clause of the Constitution)
I hope that more sheriffs all across America will
Re: [CTRL] Fwd: WYOMING SHERIFFS PUT FEDERAL OFFICERS ON CHOKE CHAINS
-Caveat Lector- A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/" /A -Cui Bono?- Case: Castaneda v. USA Filed: 10th May 1996 Closed: 29th April 1997 Case No: 2:1996cv00099 Wyoming District Court, Casper Nature of Suit: Civil Rights WYOMING SHERIFFS PUT FEDERAL OFFICERS ON CHOKE CHAINS I just ran a Lexis search using the case name, party names, case number and a full search of every district court ruling for the month. THERE IS NO SUCH CASE. You have been had. Don't believe me? Hit a library and run a Lexis or Westlaw search yourself. And note: these guys cannot seem to say WHICH judge issued this ficticious order? __ FREE Personalized Email at Mail.com Sign up at http://www.mail.com?sr=mc.mk.mcm.tag001 A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soap-boxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] [ChristianPatriot] Re: [CTRL] Where's The Outrage?? Religious Freedom DENIED!
Yep, the Founders were Christian. And they were also quite clear. For get the 1st Amendment. Read what they said in the Original: Article 6, Clause 3 "The Senators and Representatives before mentioned, and the Members of the several State Legislatures, and all executive and judicial Officers, both of the United States and of the several States, shall be bound by Oath or Affirmation, to support this Constitution; but no religious Test shall ever be required as a Qualification to any Office or public Trust under the United States." Now, I want to repeat this, because the Founders seem to be very clear. "BUT NO RELIGIOUS TEST SHALL EVER BE REQUIRED AS A QUALIFICATION TO ANY OFFICE OR PUBLIC TRUST UNDER THE UNITED STATES." I believe in original intent (or as Jack Rakove has proven so well original intents, as every had their own indidivudlal minds). I believe that a religious test for a teacher, a politician or whatever is DEAD BANG WRONG. And I think the Founders would agree with me. Had they known the level to which religious tests would have been used to gun after teachers, etc. I have no doubt they'd have expanded the defintion. __ FREE Personalized Email at Mail.com Sign up at http://www.mail.com?sr=mc.mk.mcm.tag001 From: The Extremist [EMAIL PROTECTED] At 01:26 AM 1/14/00 , you wrote: It matters not a whit what our CURRENCY (which really has no more value than the paper it's printed on) says...our CONSTITUTION and BILL OF RIGHTS states that the government shall make no laws establishing a religion, NOR PROHIBITING THE FREE EXERCISE THEREOF... Therefore, these PUBLIC officials representing the public school system have absolutely no right to dismiss this teacher because she is a Wiccan... And what justification do YOU offer for her being fired? Do you also feel that teachers who are Buddhists, Taoists, Hindus, should be fired too, because they worship a different diety (or set of dieties) than you do? Your cavalier attitude toward the Constitution of the United States and the Bill of Rights is frightening, not to mention sickening... June Our country was founded on Christianity not Wiccan, Hinduism, etc. The founders were the sons and grandsons of over a hundred years of colonial Christian tradition. From the Charter to Sir Walter Raleigh circa. 1584, through The First Virginia Charter (1606), The Second Virginia Charter (1609), The Third Virginia Charter (1612), The Mayflower Compact (1620), The Charter Of Massachusetts Bay (1629), to the Declaration of Independence (1776), it is plain that the American People were Christians and our forms of government were founded in the bedrock of Christian Principles. It is because of the liberty that Christian principles secure that people of other faiths have been able to freely worship in a manner they choose. No one who reads the founding documents of this country can honestly say that this nation was founded on any religion other than Christianity. Go read them for yourselves before you flame me out of ignorance: http://www.geocities.com/CapitolHill/6627/xushistdoc.html While the bubblegum Wiccans consider themselves a legitimate religion and the Constitution affords them protection, in the matters concerning the teaching of our children, the parents have a right to demand a more traditional standard for teachers. The Wiccan religion is foreign to traditional American standards and many of their beliefs undermine the moral and societal bonds that keep a free nation free. It is a slave religion based in ignorance, fear, and wishful thinking. On a personal note, I live 15 miles from Scotland High School, the school that canned the witch, and I can tell you the people of this area do not want witches teaching their kids. Were we founded on Christian Principles? What did the signers of our most important Document, the Declaration of Independence say? We have this day restored the Sovereign to Whom all men ought to be obedient. He reigns in heaven, and from the rising to the setting of the sun, let His Kingdom come. First of all, I . . . rely upon the merits of Jesus Christ for a pardon of all my sins. -Samuel Adams(Father of the American Revolution), at the signing of the Declaration of Independence. I am constrained to express my adoration of . . . the Author of my existence . . . [for] His forgiving mercy revealed to the world through Jesus Christ, through whom I hope for never ending happiness in a future state. -Robert Treat Paine, Signer of the Declaration I think it proper here not only to subscribe to . . . doctrines of the Christian religion . . . but also, in the bowels of a father's affection, to exhort and charge them [my children] that the fear of God is the beginning of wisdom, that the way of life held up in the Christian system is calculated for the most complete happiness. -Richard Stockton, Signer of the Declaration On the mercy of my Redeemer I rely for salvation and on His merits;
Re: [CTRL] The Real Titles of Nobility Amendment FAQ
-Caveat Lector- A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/" /A -Cui Bono?- It is important to note too that Alabama has had since 1901 Constitution the following: SECTION 29 Titles of nobility, hereditary distinction, etc.; restriction on appointments to office. That no title of nobility or hereditary distinction, privilege, honor, or emolument shall ever be granted or conferred in this state; and that no office shall be created, the appointment to which shall be for a longer time than during good behavior. And I'd like to point out that lawyers use Esquire in Alabama since 1901. Squire and Esquire were NEVER a title of NOBILITY. Hell, they were below KNIGHTS. __ FREE Personalized Email at Mail.com Sign up at http://www.mail.com?sr=mc.mk.mcm.tag001 A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soap-boxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] SNET: The Occult nature of UN part 2
-Caveat Lector- How to make your own UN conspiracy theory. 1) Take some well established facts. A. The UN Charter was signed in San Francisco. B. San Francisco has a lot of homosexuals. C. The UN General ASSembly (Note: ASS) first met in Queens, NY. D. Queen is slang for "homosexual" E. New York City has a lot of homosexuals. 2) Take the aforementioned facts, and come to a bizzare conclusion. A. The UN Charter is a homosexual plot. 3) Scatter to all your paranoid buddies who will agree since it fits nicely into their preconceived conspiracy notions. Now, try this one on for size. And remember, use the method! 1) Take some well established facts. A. San Francisco where the UN Charter was signed: "The City by the Bay". B. The UN Headquarters in New York City is in an area called "Turle Bay". C. Pat Buchanan's sister is named "Bay" 2) Take the aformentioned facts, and come to a bizzare conclusion. A. The UN is slowly trying to infiltrate every bay on earth. B. Bay Buchanan is a UN operative. Her name is code for this "UN-Bay" conspiracy. 3) Scatter to all your paranoid buddies who will agree since it fits nicely into their preconceived conspiracy notions. Fun for the whole "patriot" cell! Loads of fun at "common law courts"! It's the game EVERYONE can play! __ FREE Personalized Email at Mail.com Sign up at http://www.mail.com?sr=mc.mk.mcm.tag001 DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Noah's Ark - Revisited
-Caveat Lector- NOAH VS. "PATRIOTS" And the Lord spoke to Noah and said, "In one year, I am going to make it rain and cover the whole earth with water until all flesh is destroyed. But I want you to save the righteous people and two of every kind of living thing on the earth. Therefore, I am commanding you to build an Ark." In a flash of lightening, God delivered the specifications for an Ark. In fear and trembling, Noah took the plans and agreed to build the Ark. "Now, remember," said the Lord, "You must complete the Ark and bring everything aboard in one year." Exactly one year later, fierce storm clouds covered the earth and all the seas of the earth went into a tumult. The Lord looked down and saw Noah lying in his front yard, bleeding. "Noah," God shouted down, "where is the Ark?" "Oh, Lord, please forgive me!" cried Noah. "I did my best, but there were big problems. First, I was attacked by some Aryan Nationers, since I am from the Middle East and now of pure Aryan blood. Then I got into a fight with some skin heads and Christian Identity people who attacked me for not believing in Jesus (who is that guy anyway?) and for being a member of the ZOG. Then my neighbor objected, claiming I was building a landing pad for the UN black helicopters he saw buzzing around violating his sovereign air space; so I had to convince him I was not an NWO operative. I had problems getting enough wood or anything for the Ark, after I was indicted by a common law court and the local stores were told dont sell to the indicted Jew. When I told them I wanted to build the ark, and that God had told me to save all the righteous people. They didn't take very kindly to the idea that they had no jurisdiction over the conduct of the Creator of the universe since they assume their version of God is the valid one and that their sovereign citizen jurisdiction was the valid one. They assumed ARK was some government plant to ship them off to concentration camps and that I was suggesting some sort of One World Religion as part of a One World Government as part of a New World Order. That got a lien put on the ark by the common law court and they ran in here and grabbed all by tools to remittance of the lien. Finally the local militia drove a Ryder truck full of explosives up to the ark and detonated it, killing a lot of my neighbors and leaving me this bleeding mess. "I really don't think I can finish the Ark for another 5 or 6 years, at least!" wailed Noah. The sky began to clear, the sun began to shine, and the seas began to calm. A rainbow arched across the sky. Noah looked up hopefully. "You mean you are not going to destroy the earth, Lord?" "No," said the Lord sadly. "It's too late. The patriots already have." __ FREE Personalized Email at Mail.com Sign up at http://www.mail.com?sr=mc.mk.mcm.tag001 DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Drudge/Excite: Tripp Hung Out to Dry (fwd)
-Caveat Lector- Secondly, Tripp's recording always (as far as I know) crossed State lines and would therefore seem to be a Federal issue, over which Starr's office's immunity grant would seem to be unequivocal. Could somebody please explain why this isn't a slam-dunk for Tripp? Simply because something crosses a state line does NOT make it only Federal, or only the issue of a given state. Let me explain. A stands 100 yards inside the State of New York. B stands 100 yards inside the state of New Jersey (200 yards total distance between the two). A fires a rifle, bullet goes directly into B's heart. B's dead before he hits the ground. Who has jurisdiction? Answer is: Everyone. The criminal act was in New Jersey. The firing of the bullet with intent to kill. The bullet then actually killed SOMEONE (Note: as a matter of law, intent follows the bullet. IF A's bullet had nicked B and then tore half of C's head open, that is still murder.) The result of the criminal activity was in New York. A bullet fired by someone with intent to kill killed someone in the confines of the State of New York. That makes it a matter for the State of New York, as the death occured in the state. Now why did I say 100 yards? Because MANY states (I'd say all) state that if the action occurs within X yards of the border, the state can take it. This is to avoid the infamous "Well I'll make a run for the border" stuff. I think NY is 100 yards from its border, I don't think NJ is much different. And let's not forget the potential Federal aspect. Since this was a crime involving the crossing of a state line, the Feds could argue jurisdiction. Doubtful, but possible. Now, what does this have to do with Tripp? Maryland law applies since the (alledged) criminal action occured in Maryland. The resulting injury was in DC, but since DC is a federal district, a grant of immunity by Starr covers. A Federal prosecutor's grant of immunity does NOT however utterly totally preclude a state prosecution. A Federal JUDGE orderiing such a immunity does "Full faith and credit". That's why Maryland is scrambling to prove its case without using anything gotten from Starr's work to avoid this issue altogether. But this raising a whole nother issue: if a prosecutor grant immunity, does it need to be signed by a judge before it is offical? Well, that depends on the kind of immunity (limited, full, "transactional", etc.), the state, and so on. So, what do we have with Tripp: State-to-District jurisditional problem Time when an immunity agreement is deemed "in place" State's authority to ignore a Federal immunity deal if/when One more point Tripp was suppose to argue: Federal law says that the collection of information of a felony is valid (kinda like "citizens arrest". If you see a Federal crime (or any crime for that matter)in front of you, you are SUPPOSE to observe it if you can. Now Tripp was going to argue that since Federal law made such a collection of information ok, and since Federal law trumps state law (supremecy clause) that her collection was proper. The counter arguement: the collection of information means if you see a murder taking place, you are SUPPOSE to watch. NOT then sit there and go run and grab a video recorder, come back and ask the murderer "Can you please get into frame? Thanks." __ FREE Personalized Email at Mail.com Sign up at http://www.mail.com?sr=mc.mk.mcm.tag001 DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Don't Talk To Cops
-Caveat Lector-
YES you have the right to assure that the person you are talking to is a
public servant/law enforcement officer.
NO that does not give you permission to ask a thousand different questions.
scofflaw stopped by traffic cop in uniform refused to produce his
(non-existent) license or proof of insurance and instead tried
to insist that cop first fill out his "Public Servant's Questionnaire"
(PSQ), convicted of obstructing a police officer. City of
Billings v. Skurdal (1986) 224 Mont 84, 730 P2d 371 cert.den 481 US 1020;
the same sort of PSQ was held an improper
attempt at discovery, and could not be used during litigation under the Fed
Rules of Civil Procedure ( the PSQ included
questions about govt employee's Social Security Numbers, home phone numbers
and addresses, and details about spouses -
all explicitly beyond the scope of the Freedom of Information Act, even
though two versions of the PSQ on the internet refer to
the FOIA as their source of authority). US v. Scott (ND Ind unpub 2/4/98)
81 AFTR2d 1076 judgmt entered (ND Ind unpub
10/8/98) and his subsequent attempt to appeal on the grounds that the court
should have compelled the govt employees to
answer his PSQs was fined heavily as "frivolous squared". US v. Scott (7th
Cir unpub 6/23/99); not an acceptable alternative to
a Freedom of Information or Privacy Act request, and could not sue fed govt
employees for not filling out his PSQ. Murdock
v. Kay (ED Mich unpub 7/23/96) 96 USTC para 50517, 78 AFTR2d 6117 aff'd 124
F3d 198(t), 97 USTC para 50776, 80
AFTR2d 6485; ditto ("Plaintiff cited no authority supporting his right to
have these questionnaires completed, and we are aware
of none.") Allen v. Cantrell (D Kan unpub 12/27/78) 79 USTC para 9171, 43
AFTR2d 710; similarly (presented traffic cop
with a "Notice to arresting officer with Miranda warning") State v. Booher
(Tenn.Crim.App 1997) 978 SW2d 953.
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Re: [CTRL] Got this in my email
-Caveat Lector- Can you imagine working at the following Company? It has a little over 500 employees with the following statistics: snip This is an urban legend sheet. It's made its way around numerous times. if you go to deja.com or some other news group search engine and you type in "Congress 500 and employees" or so and read up on it, this has been shut down. The most glaring one that 117 or so Congress members have bankrupted 2 or more businesses. __ FREE Personalized Email at Mail.com Sign up at http://www.mail.com?sr=mc.mk.mcm.tag001 DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] It's January 3rd. Where's the martial law I was told to expect?
-Caveat Lector- Well I gave it a few days. I even thought I saw a UN blue helmet. Turned out my neighbor got a new hat. But there was no NWO takeover. No FEMA command. No Executive Order declaring martial law. No foreign troops marching in the streets. Nothing. Nada. So you paranoid wack jobs, where are you apologizes for crying wolf? __ FREE Personalized Email at Mail.com Sign up at http://www.mail.com?sr=mc.mk.mcm.tag001 DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] [SonsofLiberty] ALERT : It's January 3rd. Where's the Martial Law.
-Caveat Lector- --Original Message-- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Patriots) To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: January 3, 2000 8:37:07 PM GMT Subject: [SonsofLiberty] ALERT : It's January 3rd. Where's the Martial Law. Anyone know the identity and location of a one : [EMAIL PROTECTED] (True Patriot) ? What, you and your little "militia" going to drive a Ryder truck up to my house and blow it up? ROFL. You don't scare me. I pity you. __ FREE Personalized Email at Mail.com Sign up at http://www.mail.com?sr=mc.mk.mcm.tag001 DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] [SonsofLiberty] ALERT : It's January 3rd. Where's theM
-Caveat Lector- Ease up dude. These clowns are in a state of " Post Millennial Bonkers." Their world has moved underneath their feet, and they are shaky as a cornered rat. They are not worth hassling over unless someone threatens you. How about you I go into business buying back 4 million tons of dried food at 1/4 price these morons ( over-)paid for it and distribute it to the SANE poor who could really use it for survival. Just a thought. And a smart one. I think EBAY is going to have a run on all sorts of "survivalist" crud. What a joke these guys are. Their paranoid delusions are crashing down now that y2k didn't equal NWO/UN/martial law. __ FREE Personalized Email at Mail.com Sign up at http://www.mail.com?sr=mc.mk.mcm.tag001 DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] [2ndAmendment] It's January 3rd. Where's the martial law I was told to ex
-Caveat Lector- --Original Message-- From: "J. Hurd" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: True Patriot [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: January 3, 2000 7:17:37 PM GMT Subject: Re: [2ndAmendment] It's January 3rd. Where's the martial law I was told to ex I am very sorry for preparing for the unknownNOT. But that is NOT what you paranoid wackos were preparing for. You and your ilk were babbling about NWO, Martial (or Marshall) Law, the UN troops in the forest or somewhere taking over, the Executive Order that would mea FEMA suspends the Constitution, etc. It was NOT the unknown you were preparing against, it was against your paranoid delusions. Stop parsing words and have the COURAGE to say those simple words: "I am sorry I cried wolf". __ FREE Personalized Email at Mail.com Sign up at http://www.mail.com?sr=mc.mk.mcm.tag001 DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] J.J. Johnson Surrenders? Or just starts to MAKE SENSE.
-Caveat Lector- Wow. Finally one of you "patriot" and "militia" wackos starts to make sense: bomb throwing and playing solider is NOT THE ANSWER. Note the part about self-appointed officers and read Art. 1 Section 8 about who is allowed ot appoint officers of the militia (the state, not self-appointment). http://www.jj-johnson.com/r2k1.htm RESOLUTION 2000 Part 1 of 3 This three-part essay will explain in detail my opinions in restoring liberty to this nation based on my experience. I will give opinions that will be controversial. I will give ideas on what can be done effectively. But before any new structure can be built, we must remove the wreckage before laying a new foundation. This essay has been written to help, not hurt Second Amendment associates across the country. We have all seen what works, and what doesnt. Its a New Year. Lets make some New Resolutions. The most devastating weapons today being used against militia groups are the groups themselves, their adversaries ability to gather information, and the ability of their adversaries to act outside public view. This has been proven in case after case. When I mean militia group, I am NOT including those whos members are immediate family. In making this New Resolution to secure our nations freedom and our personal freedom, we will address these three issues (In three separate parts). This should clearly explain to everyone why I am advocating a complete dismantling of the "militia movement". Before you jump to any conclusions, read this entire essay, and then make your decision. PART 1 - The Militia Group Itself. What these groups have advocated people to do for preparation has been done by millions of Americans (this is why the militia is deemed a threat to the powers that be). The "militia movement" however, will probably never get credit. The units that were created, both public and private, were created with the best intentions. Most Americans, whether they like it or not, are part of the U.S. un-organized militia. And the legal justification is clearly outlined in Title 10, U.S.C. 311 of the U.S. Code, as well as the Second Amendment of the U.S. Constitution. Reality: That and $.25 wont buy you a round of ammo in the Year 2000. If you are in a militia group, you are deemed by your adversaries as a domestic terrorist, a co-conspirator and a menace to society. Good luck trying to convince a jury otherwise. If or when you are forced to walk into a federal court, you have already been determined to be a "threat" to everyone in the building just by your presence. The legal documentation you carry in with you is irrelevant. But heres whats worse: Before your arrest, if you are in a militia group, you are a target for a charge of conspiracy, even if you committed no crime. I didnt make up these rules, nor do I agree with them. But if you are in one of these groups or organizations, thats the game youre in. This is the mandate given to the Joint Terrorism Task Force. Weve already gone over what it takes to be charged with a conspiracy. But well go over it again. Doing exactly what the militia was intended for is a "federal crime" in 21st century America. They don't have to target you, just others members of your group or organization while you're in audio range. But in order to have a conspiracy, they must have at least two people. The snitch doesnt count. By dismantling your group, you take way one of the most effective weapons they have (and have used) against you. [I wish I could scream that last sentence to everyone. Just read it again.] Public statement sayings we quit is not enough and not necessary. The informant will still be there, even if you and your eight friends just decide to be quiet about. If you have signed a document saying that you are a member of a certain militia, rescind it, now (unless you have written approval from your Governor or local Sheriff). That means write up another document, sign it, and make sure a copy gets to all the other members. If your group has been public, make it public. This is proof that you withdrew from any conspiracy. The Libertarian pledge works pretty well as a starter or boilerplate: I hereby pledge and do not advocate the use of force to achieve political of social goals... If you are part of a "pro-Constitutional" group, this pledge should be adopted as part of your charter anyway, if you have one. Every officer of that group should sign it, and file it into the public record. Sounds like youre giving in? Youre not. This will just thwart the investigation on you that is probably already ongoing , put the "informant" out of business, and put you on a better foundation. I am only telling you this for your own good. Lets go over this: You are not a member of any militia group, regiment, company, cell, battalion, division, command staff, special operations group, alpha, bravo or Zulu team, strike force, alliance, advisory committee, or unit.
Re: [CTRL] To all you chicken littles and wolf criers (RE: By the
-Caveat Lector- --Original Message-- From: Kris Millegan [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: December 31, 1999 4:52:19 PM GMT Subject: Re: [CTRL] To all you chicken littles and wolf criers (RE: By the -Caveat Lector- In a message dated 12/31/99 2:15:31 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Ah, the NWO/UN/Y2K conspiracy crud continues. When you guys going to learn? Your paranoid rants are being proven wrong all over. And this Y2K is the greatest example. Ever hear of a strawman? Yeah, isn't that the guy who has my name, only it is in ALL CAPS because my birth certificate is somehow a contract to the Federal Reserve which since it is bankrupt has auctioned off my strawman to bankers to bail out the US Government? __ FREE Personalized Email at Mail.com Sign up at http://www.mail.com?sr=mc.mk.mcm.tag001 DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] To all you chicken littles and wolf criers (RE: By the time that you read this)
Ah, the NWO/UN/Y2K conspiracy crud continues.
When you guys going to learn? Your paranoid rants are being proven wrong all
over.
And this Y2K is the greatest example.
There will be no martial law.
There will be no mass railcar transports.
There will be no concentration camp detentions.
There will be no UN troops in the streets.
There will be no FEMA suspending the Constitution.
There will be no Clinton suspending the Constitution.
There will be no NWO One World Government formed.
There will be none of this crap you paranoids came up with.
All these wonderful predictions have been made as to y2k. They are all
failing to materialize. Miserably.
When January 2, 2000 comes and NONE of the paranoid rants you guy though of
have come to fruition, let me suggest you try to come up with good excuses.
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Assuming you receive this after 3AM EST, it is
already Y2K somewhere out in the Pacific. Judging by the absence of Top
Ramen on the supermarket shelves, I would guess that a number of people have
bought themselves a slice oflast-minute hysteria.
At least I know of no New Year's recipes that
require large quantities of tasteless squiggly noodles. Indeed, the only
traditional New Year's Dayfare I know of is the mandatory dish of
Black-eyed Peas and Ham (for prosperity in the coming year).
So why in the hell would anyone want a bunch of Top
Ramen for survival rations? These things are being put in the pantry
because the weak-willed are scared that they are going to wake up with no
electricity. Well, ever tried making Top Ramen with cold water? For
that matter, if the power is off, there isn't going to be any water pressure
either-- is there? Ever tried Top Ramen dry right out of the bag?
Even if you have electricity and water, ever tried living on a straight diet of
Top Ramen for weeks on end?
You might find yourself looking forward tothe
food served on those railroad Prison Cars-- known to us non-scarecrows ("Gee, if
I only had a brain") as automobile transports. It fills me with the
greatest anger to see bullshit like this coming over the airwaves. Not
three months ago, I sat in a room with patriot leaders from all across America
and their opinion was unanimous: "There are no prison camps.
Period."Not "no prison camps that we know of" but "no prison camps,
period". We all had a good laugh at those benighted morons who dream this
stuff up and then got down to some real business.So why would they
give even one micoscopic iota of creedence to a report that special railroad
cars have been fitted out to transport dissidents to the camps that everybody
agrees are non-existent?
Why do these same patriot leaders continue to
forwardimbecilic drivel that they KNOW to be untrue? Or allow it to
pass on through without comment?With strategy like this, is it any
wonder that nothing has been accomplished in the last five years?That so
many decent citizens who agree with us in principlerefuse to let us darken
their doors in public tells all that needs to be said about such tactics.
Our only answer to any problem seems to be: "If someone knocks on my door,
I'm going to give them a faceful of bullets". It didn't work for
Custer.
If ever there was a time for New Year's Day
Resolutions, this is it. I personally resolve to do the
following:
1) Because I deeply resent being lied to by
the Dan Rat-herds and Bill Clintons of the world, I solemnly promise not to
EVER, UNDER ANY CIRCUMSTANCES , emulate their example. I would rather fix
myself a Drano milkshake than be put in the same category as these
olympic-caliber Orwellians. I will tell the truth to the best of my
understanding at the time-- certainly to those I regard as friendsas well
as to those who disagree with me. If I find out that I have not told the
truth, I will immediately retract my previous statement with the same vigor as
Ipublished the original misstatement of fact.
2) What the hell, that's enough for one
year. One disaster at a time.
The Union forever
Re: [CTRL] When there *IS* no martial law/NWO/UN Y2K take over, will
-Caveat Lector- --Original Message-- From: John Hurd [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: True Patriot [EMAIL PROTECTED] But what if they are right A completely valid question. Turnabout is fair play. If they are right, then you'll never hear an apology from me. Why? Because if these wack jobs *ARE* right, the NWO/UN/ZOG/FEMA whatever will 1) shut down e-mail 2) throw me into a "UN concentration camp" 3) kill me or 4) a combination of 1-3. In any event, apologies will be out of the question. HOWEVER, when it does NOT happen, the e-mails will be up, no one will be in "UN concentration camps" and no one will be killed by the NWO or whatever. So, THEY have no excuse to not admit they were WRONG. __ FREE Personalized Email at Mail.com Sign up at http://www.mail.com?sr=mc.mk.mcm.tag001 DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] When there *IS* no martial law/NWO/UN Y2K take over, will you admit you were WRONG?
-Caveat Lector- Come January 2, when the US is not put under NWO/FEMA/UN/Executive Order/etc. Martial (or Marshall to some of you morons) law, you paranoid wack jobs will of course have to apologize for crying wolf and trying to panic people. Most of you are just sick, but there are others doing this to sell their "survival" crud or convince people to pull a McVeigh and blow stuff up. The question is: will you have the decency to admit you were WRONG, or try to invent an excuse? __ FREE Personalized Email at Mail.com Sign up at http://www.mail.com?sr=mc.mk.mcm.tag001 DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
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-Caveat Lector- Take heed everyone. I told you a few weeks ago to put a down payment on excuses for when y2k does NOT mean (insert paranoid conspiracy theory) here. Below see some of my satisfied customers who have found all sorts of rationales for why their own conspiracy theories are NOT coming true! (Pushing the date back is a best seller.) As Jan. 1 Draws Near, Doomsayers Reconsider The Apocalypse Is Still Coming--Later By Hanna Rosin Washington Post Staff Writer Monday, December 27, 1999; Page A01 A year ago, Tim LaHaye and Jerry Jenkins, who have sold more than 10 million copies of their "Left Behind" thrillers about the Apocalypse, prophesied global upheaval on Jan. 1, 2000. The Y2K bug could trigger "financial meltdown," they warned readers on their Web site, "making it possible for the Antichrist or his emissaries . . . to dominate the world commercially until it is destroyed." But now that the hour is upon us, the prophets of doom are retreating. "We don't think it relates to Y2K at all," Jenkins said. "And we're bemused by people who do." Reminded of the Web site prediction, he said, "We regret having talked about it." Over the last year, Jenkins said, he has been reassuring nervous fans they have nothing to fear. Even those who fully embraced the date as late as last month are now backing down. Some prophets are hedging their bets, reminding everyone they only said "maybe," or they never specified the Western world, or Jan. 1 exactly. Others such as the Rev. Jerry Falwell say they have read the Y2K compliance reports and found them soothing. All are expecting a humdrum New Year's Eve. Grant R. Jeffrey, author of titles such as "The Millennium Meltdown" and "Armageddon: Earth's Last Days," is also blase. Earlier this year, the Toronto-based minister wrote that the Y2K bug "may set the stage for the creation of the coming world government that was prophesied to arise in the last days." Now he's downsizing his expectations. "It will be frustrating, like computer errors, delays in waiting for planes, that kind of thing," he said. Jeffrey does not disavow his disaster predictions, but expects them to unfold only distantly, "in the Third World" and not quite so suddenly. "It's not a January problem," Jeffrey added. "It will manifest itself gradually throughout the year, like maybe in March or April or May, or even later." It seems that the Apocalypse has been postponed. Now that the date is tangible, signs of the second coming of Christ are becoming hazy. The millions of fundamentalist Christians who seized on the Y2K bug as proof that a techno-idolatrous world was doomed now see it as more of a nuisance. "The end times people are backing down," said Damian Thompson, author of "The End of Time: Faith and Fear in the Shadow of the Millennium," a study of modern doomsday cults. "People who last year became excited about the millennium bug are suddenly saying, 'I never said that. It was him, not me.' They're extremely nervous of having December 31st, 1999, pinned on them forever." Earlier this year, Falwell distributed a packet on "The Y2K Time Bomb," including a video, "A Christian's Guide to the Millennium Bug," and a Family Readiness Checklist, telling people to stock up on such items as gardening utensils, Q-tips and peanut butter and jelly. "Y2K is God's instrument to shake this nation, to humble this nation," Falwell said in a television broadcast last year. "He may be preparing to confound our language, to jam our communications, scatter our efforts, and judge us for our sin and rebellion for going against his lordship." But Falwell says he has read the government and banking reports and he is no longer a "fatalist"; in fact, he's "encouraged." A few weeks ago, Falwell withdrew the video and has been toning down the visions. "I don't anticipate any major problems," he said last week. "I would fly in an airplane that day." When it was first revealed, the Y2K bug suited the apocalyptic temperament. It's timing even validated fundamentalist numerology. In 1654, Archbishop James Ussher of Armagh dated creation to 4004 B.C., and counting forward using numerical clues, predicted Christ's reign on Earth would begin about 6,000 years later, during what became known in evangelical circles as the Great Week. From the mainstream to the fringes, evangelical Christians adopted the Y2K bug as their own. For the last two years, they have held conferences teaching the flock how to filter water, bag sand, dry peas. Popular Christian magazines advertised gold bullion and Rapture insurance policies (in case you were snatched up to Heaven but your loved ones were left behind). But as the day approaches, even some of the fringe groups are mellowing. "I'm aware of hardly anyone who's still saying 1/1/2000 is the big day," said Ted Daniel, who runs the Millennial Center in Pennsylvania and keeps a close eye on doomsday cults. "It's the usual pattern: If you're a millenarian prophet, you have to
Re: [CTRL] The Beating of Citizen joe 6pk by the Gestapo
-Caveat Lector-
Jon Roland wrote:
The Beating of "Citizen joe 6pk" by the Gestapo
12/23/99
He repeated his question and as I began repeating my answer, I reached to
pull out my copy of the Constitution. The booklet went flying from my hand
as he drove my head into the corner of the post, followed quickly by a chop
to my windpipe.
Nothing says "moron" like reaching in your pocket when there is a cop there.
For all the cop knows you are going for a gun,
especially since you refuse to answer if you have one.
My female captor asked me for a nickname or alias. I have a Christian name
I responded and started telling her the Capital and small letter spelling.
She said I'm not listening to this crap and I am not going to release you
w/o one she demanded. So after reviewing my lack of option, I stated my
sister calls me "Bubby".
She got the crap part right. Thanks again to Becraft on this one.
"According to a book written by Berkheimer, a "nom de guerre" is a war name
symbolized by a given
name being written in capital letters. The argument contends that because of
events in 1933, we have been
made "enemies" and government indicates our status as enemies by the nom de
guerre. If this is true, then
why have the styles of the decisions of the United States Supreme Court
since its establishment been in
caps? This argument has gotten lots of people in trouble. For example, Mike
Kemp of the Gadsden Militia
defended himself on state criminal charges with this argument and he was
thrown into jail. I have not even
seen a decent brief on this issue which was predicated upon cases you can
find in an ordinary law library.
In any event, several courts have rejected this argument:
1. Jaeger v. Dubuque County, 880 F.Supp. 640 (N.D.Iowa 1995)
2. United States v. Heard, 952 F.Supp. 329 (N.D.W.Va. 1996)
3. Boyce v. C.I.R., 72 T.C.M. ¶ 1996-439 ("an objection to the spelling of
petitioners' names in capital
letters because they are not 'fictitious entities'" was rejected)
4. United States v. Washington, 947 F.Supp. 87, 92 (S.D.N.Y. 1996)("Finally,
the defendant contends
that the Indictment must be dismissed because 'Kurt Washington,' spelled out
in capital letters, is a
fictitious name used by the Government to tax him improperly as a business,
and that the correct spelling
and presentation of his name is 'Kurt Washington.' This contention is
baseless")
5. United States v. Klimek, 952 F.Supp. 1100 (E.D.Pa. 1997)
6. In re Gdowik, 228 B.R. 481, 482 (S.D.Fla. 1997)(claim that "the use of
his name JOHN E GDOWIK
is an 'illegal misnomer' and use of said name violates the right to his
lawful status" was rejected)
7. Russell v. United States, 969 F.Supp. 24, 25 (W.D. Mich.
1997)("Petitioner ... claims because his
name is in all capital letters on the summons, he is not subject to the
summons"; this argument held
frivolous)
8. United States v. Lindbloom, 97-2 U.S.T.C. ¶ 50650 (W.D. Wash. 1997)("In
this submission, Mr.
Lindbloom states that he and his wife are not proper defendants to this
action because their names are not
spelled with all capital letters as indicated in the civil caption." The
CAPS argument and the "refused for
fraud" contention were rejected)
9. Rosenheck Co., Inc. v. United States, 79 A.F.T.R.2d (RIA) 2715 (N.D.
Ok. 1997)("Kostich has
made the disingenuous argument the IRS documents at issue here fail to
properly identify him as the
taxpayer. Defendant Kostich contends his Christian name' is Walter Edward,
Kostich, Junior and since
the IRS documents do not contain his Christian name,' he is not the person
named in the Notice of Levy.
The Court expressly finds Defendant WALTER EDWARD KOSTICH JR. is the person
identified in the
Notice of Levy, irrespective of the commas, capitalization of letters, or
other alleged irregularities Kostich
identifies as improper. Similarly, the Court's finding applies to the filed
pleadings in this matter")
10. United States v. Weatherley, 12 F.Supp.2d 469 (E.D.Pa. 1998)
11. United States v. Frech, 149 F.3d 1192 (10th Cir. 1998)("Defendants'
assertion that the capitalization
of their names in court documents constitutes constructive fraud, thereby
depriving the district court of
jurisdiction and venue, is without any basis in law or fact").
The nom de guerre position is one rabidly advocated by Wrong Way Law. It is
all based upon hype and
emotions; the speakers who advocate this argument know how to push the
emotional "hot buttons" at
patriot pep rallies. I have reviewed the "best" briefs regarding this issue
and they are all trash. Yet I
continue to see people call themselves "John, of smith," etc., and I just
simply conclude that such parties
have attended a Wrong Way Law seminar and have accepted a pack of lies.
Further, it is remarkable that
all the people who believe this idea have never checked it out; they just
accept it because some patriot
guru claimed it was correct."
You must sign them now or you will not be released he demanded. So I
wrote: under duress w/o
[CTRL] S.A.L.U.T.E. report of enemy force! Not a drill! Warning! Sit rep to follow!
-Caveat Lector- I have recently witnessed the following. It is VERY important that we "patriots" keep true to the SALUTE pattern and monitor this threat! Size of Enemy Force: 1 unit consisting of a what appeared to be a male in some sort of armored open top vehichle. 9 draft animals pulling the unit across my soverign airspace. Activities of Enemy = Landed on rooftop. Leapt from unit which on further examination appeared to be a sleigh with what appeared to be deer (see Unit I.D.) Entered using a no-knock warrant (no warrant for that matter). Repeled or otherwise decended down chimey bearing a large bag, not doubt containing UN commands and NWO material as part of the impending Y2K takeover. Suspect this is a test for when UN troops enter my house to get my guns. Spoke some language, Finnish or Dutch. Was able to make out "Kris Kringle" before I unloaded a full clip (that'll stop the NWO bastard!) Before dying, his stomach looked like a bowl full of jelly. Large black belt with buckle, long white beard also seen. Location = My bunker. Location not to be revealed in this manner, since communications are being monitored by Echelon. Unit I.D. of uniforms/vehicles = Paramilitiary, possibly communist (large useage of the color red). Possibly satanic, trying to stop the impending return of the Lord. Vehicle appeared to be an old fashioned "sleigh", no doubt a cover for the the armor and arsenal hidden underneath. Vehicle was pulled by what appeared to be deer of some type, not of the country (no doubt imported and trained at the secret UN bases I keep hearing about). Time and date = Approximately 2 AM, morning of 25 December 1999. Equipment = Large bag, containing toys which were apparently to be used to lull and bribe my kids into his One World Government plot. List of children divided into "Good" and "Bad" found. GOOD apparently standing for "Governed Over (by) One Dominion" a clear reference to the impending takeover. BAD apparently standing for "Battling, Anti-NWO Destroyable". 8 previously mentioned "deer of foreign origin" killed for meat. 9th had a glowing red nose, no doubt a beckon to the other members of his invasion/occupation force of ZOG. Terminated with extreme prejudice. Made tasty steak. We MUST be on the look out, this may not be the only one using these methods. We MUST be prepared! Shoot first, ask questions later! __ FREE Personalized Email at Mail.com Sign up at http://www.mail.com?sr=mc.mk.mcm.tag001 DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Defintion of militia
-Caveat Lector- Please examine for a moment the following on the issue of militia control. And please note, it does NOT include self-appointed (or self-annointed) paranoid wack jobs. Nor are the powers of Congress limited to times of invasion, etc. For example, Congress sets the discipline of the militia and provides for the orgaznizing, arming, and disciplining at all times. Moreover, the "governing" means just that: The states govern based on the methods laid down by Congress until Congress takes direct control or "governing". U.S. Constitution Article 1 Section 8 Paragraph 16 "To provide for organizing, arming, and disciplining, the Militia, and for governing such Part of them as may be employed in the Service of the United States, reserving to the States respectively, the Appointment of the Officers, and the Authority of training the Militia according to the discipline prescribed by Congress;" 10 USC 311 Militia: composition and classes (a) The militia of the United States consists of all able-bodied males at least 17 years of age and, except as provided in section 313 of title 32, under 45 years of age who are, or who have made a declaration of intention to become, citizens of the United States and of female citizens of the United States who are members of the National Guard. (b) The classes of the militia are - (1) the organized militia, which consists of the National Guard and the Naval Militia; and (2) the unorganized militia, which consists of the members of the militia who are not members of the National Guard or the Naval Militia. 18 USC 2389 Recruiting for service against United States Whoever recruits soldiers or sailors within the United States, or in any place subject to the jurisdiction thereof, to engage in armed hostility against the same; or Whoever opens within the United States, or in any place subject to the jurisdiction thereof, a recruiting station for the enlistment of such soldiers or sailors to serve in any manner in armed hostility against the United States - Shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than five years, or both. 18 USC 2390 Enlistment to serve against United States Whoever enlists or is engaged within the United States or in any place subject to the jurisdiction thereof, with intent to serve in armed hostility against the United States, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than three years, or both. Sturges v. Crowninsheld, 17 U.S. 122 (1819) "The powers given to congress by the constitution, may be divided into three classes: 1st. Those which are national in their nature, and which are vested in congress, as the sovereign power of the nation or Union. 2d. Those powers which are given to congress, and from the exercise of which the states are expressly excluded. 3d. Those which are given to congress, and from the exercise of which the states are not excluded... Under the first class may be enumerated-the power to borrow money on the credit of the United States; to regulate commerce with foreign nations and among the several states; to provide for the punishment of counterfeiting the securities and current coin of the United States; to constitute tribunals inferior to the supreme court of the United States; to define and punish piracies and felonies committed on the high seas, and offences against the law of nations; to declare war, grant letters of marque and reprisal, and to make rules concerning captures on land and water; to raise and support armies; to provide and maintain a navy; to provide for organizing, arming and disciplining the militia, c." Houston v. Moore, 18 U.S. 1 (1820) "Congress has power to provide for organizing, arming, and disciplining them; and this power being unlimited, except in the two particulars of officering and training them, according to the discipline to be prescribed by Congress, it may be exercised to any extent that may be deemed necessary by Congress. But as State militia, the power ofthe State governments to legislate on the same subjects, having existed prior to the formation of the constitution, and not having been prohibited by that instrument, it remains with the States, subordinate nevertheless to the paramount law of the general government, operating upon the same subject." Gibbons v. Ogden, 22 U.S. 1 (1824) "This shows that Congress considered the power to punish these offences as concurrent, and that it could be exercised by the States on the ground of their own inherent authority, as it is held that Congress cannot delegate any part of the criminal jurisdiction of the United States to the State tribunals. Again: the power to provide for organizing, arming, and disciplining the militia, is a concurrent power, according to the same principles." Thurlow v. Com Of Mass., 46 U.S. 504 (1847) "It may be well, however, to remark, that in analogous cases, where, by the constitution of the United States, power over a particular subject is conferred on Congress without any prohibition to
[CTRL] A Patriot Christmas (A poem)
-Caveat Lector- A Militia Man's Christmas by Santa Zog 'Twas the night before Christmas, and in the condominium Not a patriot was stirring, not even a Davidian. The duffels were hung by the chimney with care, In hopes that Mark from Michigan soon would be there; The troops were nestled all snug in their beds, While visions of Ruby Ridge danced in their heads; And Linda in her camos and I in my helmet, Had just settled down to sleep for a bit, When out on the lawn there arose such a clamor, I grabbed a revolver and pulled back the hammer. Away to the window I flew to defend My home from the ravenous liberal fiends. The moon on the breast of the new-fallen snow Made it seem like the body of Janet Reno. When, what through my wandering scope should appear, But a miniature troop-carrier, complete with full gear, With a fatigue-clad driver, so lively and sharp, I knew 'twas from Michigan--the guy they called Mark. More rapid than jack-booted thugs did he come, And he ranted and raved and at the mouth he did foam. "Now, U.N.! Now, Clinton! Now Brady and Schroeder! "On, Boutros! On, Hillary! On, New World Order! To the compound at Waco! To the OKC faxes! Now dash away! dash away, all income taxes!" Like liberals, wanting to have one-world rule, At the thought of banning our guns do so drool, So too did Mr. Koernke drive to our door Avoiding the land mines I'd placed there before. And then, in a twinkling, I saw that he'd drawn A Chinese assault weapon right there on my lawn. As I readied a grenade and was turning around, With a fiery cascade, he shot my door down. He was dressed all in green from his cap to his trousers And his clothes were all tarnished with reloading powder. Three Sam Brownes full of ammo were slung on his back, And he looked like Attila getting ready to sack. His eyes--how they twinkled! His mustache how Nazi! His cheeks were like roses, his demeanor so ROTC! His droll little mouth was all set to grin As if a microchip had been emplanted within. The stock of his AK he gripped tight with care As a thin whisp of smoke rose from it through the air. He had a broad face and a little round belly, That shook, when his videos were played on the telly. He was chubby and plump, a right jolly old sort, The kind that would kill government agents for sport. A wink of his eye and a twist of his hairs Suggested to me there was no light on upstairs. He spoke not a word, but went straight to his work And rearmed all our weapons; then turned with a jerk, And laying his finger on his safety release, He reentered the confines of his great armored beast. He turned on the engine and away did he speed, Following street signs that had been secretly keyed. But I heard him exclaim, ere he turned round the corner, "God bless the Republic, and Death to the New World Order!" __ FREE Personalized Email at Mail.com Sign up at http://www.mail.com?sr=mc.mk.mcm.tag001 DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] US Code and the militias
-Caveat Lector- 18 USC 2383 Rebellion or insurrection Whoever incites, sets on foot, assists, or engages in any rebellion or insurrection against the authority of the United States or the laws thereof, or gives aid or comfort thereto, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than ten years, or both; and shall be incapable of holding any office under the United States. 18 USC 2384 Seditious conspiracy If two or more persons in any State or Territory, or in any place subject to the jurisdiction of the United States, conspire to overthrow, put down, or to destroy by force the Government of the United States, or to levy war against them, or to oppose by force the authority thereof, or by force to prevent, hinder, or delay the execution of any law of the United States, or by force to seize, take, or possess any property of the United States contrary to the authority thereof, they shall each be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than twenty years, or both. 18 USC 2385 Advocating overthrow of Government Whoever knowingly or willfully advocates, abets, advises, or teaches the duty, necessity, desirability, or propriety of overthrowing or destroying the government of the United States or the government of any State, Territory, District or Possession thereof, or the government of any political subdivision therein, by force or violence, or by the assassination of any officer of any such government; or Whoever, with intent to cause the overthrow or destruction of any such government, prints, publishes, edits, issues, circulates, sells, distributes, or publicly displays any written or printed matter advocating, advising, or teaching the duty, necessity, desirability, or propriety of overthrowing or destroying any government in the United States by force or violence, or attempts to do so; or Whoever organizes or helps or attempts to organize any society, group, or assembly of persons who teach, advocate, or encourage the overthrow or destruction of any such government by force or violence; or becomes or is a member of, or affiliates with, any such society, group, or assembly of persons, knowing the purposes thereof - Shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than twenty years, or both, and shall be ineligible for employment by the United States or any department or agency thereof, for the five years next following his conviction. If two or more persons conspire to commit any offense named in this section, each shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than twenty years, or both, and shall be ineligible for employment by the United States or any department or agency thereof, for the five years next following his conviction. As used in this section, the terms ''organizes'' and ''organize'', with respect to any society, group, or assembly of persons, include the recruiting of new members, the forming of new units, and the regrouping or expansion of existing clubs, classes, and other units of such society, group, or assembly of persons. 18 USC 2389 Recruiting for service against United States Whoever recruits soldiers or sailors within the United States, or in any place subject to the jurisdiction thereof, to engage in armed hostility against the same; or Whoever opens within the United States, or in any place subject to the jurisdiction thereof, a recruiting station for the enlistment of such soldiers or sailors to serve in any manner in armed hostility against the United States - Shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than five years, or both. 18 USC 2390 Enlistment to serve against United States Whoever enlists or is engaged within the United States or in any place subject to the jurisdiction thereof, with intent to serve in armed hostility against the United States, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than three years, or both. __ FREE Personalized Email at Mail.com Sign up at http://www.mail.com?sr=mc.mk.mcm.tag001 DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL
[CTRL] Y2K opportunity
-Caveat Lector- Don't wait for Y2K! Time is already running out! Move quick on this deal! Hello fellow patriots, militia members, Clinton loathers, UN despisers, 2nd Amendment touters, NWO fighters, black-helicopter monitors, and other conspiracy theorists. As you may or may not know Y2K is coming, along with (suposedly): 1) martial law (or marshall law for some of you) 2) suspension of the Constitution 3) misuse of Executive Orders to give overarching power to FEMA 4) targetting of "militia/patriot" members for false charges by (insert name of law enforcement agency here) 5) introduction of UN troops already training in secret bases to enforce the aforementioned martial law 6) establishment of the New World Order in the form of the One World Government But, as is the case with almost all such grandiose doom and gloom predictions IT IS NOT GOING TO HAPPEN! So before you hunker in your bunker, turn on your shortwave radios and light your already short fuses, time to invest in the future. Put a down payment on an excuse, alibi, rationale, or other means to explain away why your paranoid rants turn out to be DEAD BANG WRONG! There are loads to choose from! Popular ones include: 1) Our "knowledge" of the conspiracy ensured that it did not happen because "they" knew we'd be ready. 2) Nothing happened on 1/1/00 so we will get complacent. But 1/2/00, look out! 3) The UN troops were ready to march in and take over, but the tanks were driven by men who REFUSED to ask for directions and instead invaded Canada. 4) When we said Clinton was going to declare Martial Law, we meant he'd declare the CBS show the best of the season! 5) That crazy Pope Gregory reset the calendar and threw us for a loop. (Leads into the classic "Papist Plot" conspiracy extension pack. Sold seperately.) 6) Sure it didn't happen at y2k, but we are TOTALLY ready for y3k! 7) The takeover/martial law et. al. really DID happen. This is just the dream, or are we the dreamer? (Lewis Caroll collection available now at www.WackJobConspirayMetaphors.com) 8) The entire armed plot couldn't stop giggling when Clinton said he'd declare himself "dictator". 9) The UN realized that it wouldn't be able to set up a One World Government lead by a guy named "Kofi". and finally 10) WE WERE WRONG FOR CRYING WOLF! Others available. Call for pricing. Yes, you too can be the envy of your militia cell as you explain away the last 18 months (or longer) of paranoid rants that never came to fruition. Dazzle your fellow "patriots"! Amaze "common law grand juries" for hours! Best of all, there is a 0% money back guarentee. If there really IS all this crap crashing down on January 1, 2000 this company and its employees will marched off to the "UN concentration camps". But YOU will have the warm, fuzzy feeling of knowing you are right as you drive a Ryder truck full of explosives into the UN Secretariat building. Isn't that just as good as money (especially if you figure the Federal Reserve Notes are not "real' money, and the US is bankrupt, and you can redeem your "straw man" just by following)? So contact us today! Special for the Holidays: Buy one excuse for Y2K not become the harbinger of the Apocalypse and we'll throw in one of the following lame explinations at NO extra charge! 1) "Really, honey. This naked woman walked into our bedroom and said 'Sleep with me or I'll die.'" 2) "It wasn't me. It was the dog." 3) "No I am not bitchy because of PMS! Why do you think it is PMS? Do you think every opinionated woman has PMS? Where the hell is my frying pan." (Note: three day waiting period on aquiring this one) 4) "That was the dog too." Contact us at: (Address erased by Project Echelon) Hurry, supplies are limited! __ FREE Personalized Email at Mail.com Sign up at http://www.mail.com?sr=mc.mk.mcm.tag001 DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
