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Re: [CTRL] Dangerous future oppressors killed

2002-11-24 Thread Minster Books
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H interesting. where do you suggest the Jews go if they give up their
occupancy?
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the only way to end
   the violence is for Israel to permit a real state to exist with real
   contiguous borders.

  This will never happen.  Trust me!!!
 Prudy

 Well that is the choice of the Israelis. Either they murder all
 Palestinians, bulldoze them into the Sea, make a deal,
 or continue to be murder and be murdered. The question is
 what is the level of murder that is acceptable to the occupier?
 How high is the threshold of pain?

 Of course the Sharonites worse nightmare is that Israel annexes the
 W Bank and Gaza with its Arab population and then ultimately Israel
 actually becomes a 'democracy' and the Arabs vote Israel into a normal
 secular state.

 So called 'terrorism' (actually Guerrilla War) is the weapon of the weak
 against the strong. Historically it succeeds by making the pain of
 occupation
 exceed the satisfaction of occupation. Just ask the French about Algeria
or
 the Boers about Apartheid South Africa. Even the English are getting the
 message in North Ireland. BTW, what ever happened to South Vietnam?
 I no longer find it in my Atlas.
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Re: [CTRL] How did he do that?

2002-09-13 Thread Minster Books
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Nah, that's ok Brian We know it's only said out of ignorance. You say
Toma(y)to and we say Toma(h)to! Love from a Brit. June
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 word to the wise: i wouldn't try saying that around any brits... it's not
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[CTRL] Fw: [Awakened4JChrist] The Big Guys Work For the Carlyle Group

2002-09-12 Thread Minster Books
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Subject: [Awakened4JChrist] The Big Guys Work For the Carlyle 
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  CARLYLE GROUP
  The Big Guys Work For the Carlyle Group
  What exactly does it do? To find out, we peeked 
  down the rabbit hole. 
  FORTUNE
  
  Monday,
  
   March 18,
  
   2002 By 
  Melanie Warner http://us.f97.mail.yahoo.com/ym/Compose?login=1To=.redir=ymmapi3
  

  
  
  Are you the sort of person who believes in conspiracies--the Trilateral 
  Commission secretly runs the world, that sort of thing? Well, then, here's 
  a company for you. The Carlyle Group, a Washington, D.C., buyout firm, is 
  one of the nation's largest defense contractors. It has billions of 
  dollars at its disposal and employs a few important people. Maybe you've 
  heard of them: former Secretary of State Jim Baker, former Secretary of 
  Defense Frank Carlucci, and former White House budget director Dick 
  Darman. Wait, we're just getting warmed up. William Kennard, who recently 
  headed the FCC, and Arthur Levitt, who just left the SEC, also work for 
  Carlyle. As do former British Prime Minister John Major and former 
  Philippines President Fidel Ramos. Let's see, are we forgetting anyone? 
  Oh, right, former President George Herbert Walker Bush is on the payroll 
  too. 
  The firm also has about a dozen investors from Saudi Arabia, including, 
  until recently, the bin Laden family. Yes, those bin Ladens. Is it any 
  wonder that Internet sites with names like paranoiamagazine.com are rife 
  with stories about Carlyle's shadowy, corrupt global network? And it's not 
  just wackos. "Be careful," a tech entrepreneur in Silicon Valley wrote in 
  an e-mail when he learned I was doing a story on Carlyle. "The rabbit hole 
  runs really deep on this one.'' 
  Leaving aside the conspiracies for a moment, what exactly does the 
  Carlyle Group do? Start with the basics: It's one of the world's largest 
  and most powerful private-equity investment firms, meaning it buys and 
  sells privately held companies and divisions of large public companies for 
  big profits. Founded in 1987 (and named after the favorite New York hotel 
  of the firm's first investors, the Mellon family), Carlyle has raised a 
  total of $14 billion from investors in just the past five years--more than 
  any other private-equity firm has attracted in the same period, except the 
  Blackstone Group and CSFB Private Equity. Profits, too, have been pretty 
  terrific. Not counting the standard 20% cut that goes to Carlyle's 
  partners and managing directors, the firm's average annual rate of return 
  has been 36%. 
  It's quite a success story, and to understand how Carlyle pulled it 
  off, FORTUNE spent a month and a half peeking down that rabbit hole. One 
  conclusion seems clear: While most of the conspiracy theories are 
  amusingly overblown, this is a firm that's been built on the backs of Bush 
  and other big shots who have lent Carlyle their names, their golden 
  networks of friends in high places, and their insights into how government 
  works. It wasn't until Carlucci joined, for instance, that Carlyle really 
  took off. Founded by David Rubenstein, a lawyer who worked as an aide in 
  the Carter White House, Bill Conway, a former CFO at MCI, and Dan 
  D'Aniello, a former finance executive for Marriott, Carlyle early on 
  invested in a motley assortment of deals--buying an airline-catering 
  business, a health-food chain, and a biotech firm, for example. In 1990, 
  Carlucci got the trio interested in the $150-billion-a-year U.S. defense 
  industry, making introductions to companies that would turn into some of 
  Carlyle's most lucrative investments. Rubenstein quickly realized the 
  wisdom of recruiting a former Secretary of Defense and followed it up with 
  a former Secretary of State, then a former White House budget director, 
  and on and on. 
  The revolving door has long been a fact of life in Washington, but 
  Carlyle has given it a new spin. Instead of toiling away for a trade 
  organization or consulting firm for a measly $250,000 a year, former 
  government officials can rake in serious cash by getting equity cuts on 
  corporate deals. Several of the onetime government officials who have 
  hooked up with Carlyle--Carlucci, Baker, and Darman, in particular--have 
  made millions. Carlyle isn't the only organization doing it: Metropolitan 
  West Financial in Los Angeles recently hired Al Gore to help with tech 
  deals and make 

Re: [CTRL] re islamic celebration

2002-09-08 Thread Minster Books
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Hi Mermaid, I'm a Brit, living on the east coast. 
Sharia law in Britain..do a search for Sharia Law on Google and that is 
really scary. Makes one want to join the National Front. Where are you? June, 
not quite frightened out of my wits yet! 

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  To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  Sent: 08 September 2002 16:38
  Subject: [CTRL] re islamic 
  celebration
  
  


  
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We have so many Muslim 
factions now in Britian and now the achitects arebuilding shopping 
centres here to withstand suicide bombers.The thing thatbothers me 
is that one day it is very likely that muslims will out number usand 
become prolific forcing their beliefs on us.They are fanatics and to 
die for the cause is what they want.They have noregard for their 
lives and certainly none for ours.This Sheikh Mohammed should be 
deported from my country immediately.Iwouldnt be allowed to stand up 
in his country and do this i would be stonedor worse.Mr Blair 
has got to make a stand with people like this and deport anyone 
whois flagrantly whipping up this kind of bad feeling.For one thing 
the britishpeople wont stand for it much longer and there will be 
anarchy in thestreets.This is very frightening indeed.Are there 
any other Brits here who feel like this.The Mermaid xx 
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Re: [CTRL] re islamic celebration

2002-09-08 Thread Minster Books
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Force our views on people? We little people have 
about as much chance of forcing our views on others as you have of changing Bush 
or Blair's plans to do anything. We don't go around the streets with bull whips 
and batons beating people because they don't conform to our idea of what is 
suitable dress. Did you ever hear of us doing such a thing? Maybe I am missing 
your point here. If I am please enlighten me further. Thanks, June

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  Subject: Re: [CTRL] re islamic 
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Exactly who do you mean by us?You mean it is ok for you to 
force your beliefs on others because of your numerical superiority but 
if it went the other way that would be bad?on 9/8/02 11:38 AM, 
Mermaid at [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:
The 
  thing thatbothers me is that one day it is very likely that 
  muslims will out number usand become prolific forcing their 
  beliefs on us.-- 
"We are not afraid to entrust the American people with 
unpleasant facts, foreign ideas, alien philosophies and competitive 
values. For a nation that is afraid to let its people judge the 
truth and falsehood in an open market is a nation that is afraid of 
its people." President 
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Re: [CTRL] re islamic celebration

2002-09-08 Thread Minster Books
Title: Re: [CTRL] re islamic celebration
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I understand "us"to mean indigenous British 
people who are happy with our life style and who do not wish to become Muslims, 
not now, not tomorrow, not ever. We want our women and girls educated, free to 
marry whom they please, able to dress in any way they please and with the 
ability to leave their homes unaccompanied by any male. We want our men to be 
shaved or not according to their choice, bare headed according to choice. 
We are for the most part very tolerant people and welcome folk from every nation 
under the sun of whatever belief, creed, colour. What we do not like is having 
other people's views forced on us. Our way of life has evolved over centuries 
and for the most part we live in harmony with our fellows. Of course there are 
intolerant people in any society, but one's intolerance is limited by the law 
here, not by baton wielding thugs. Are you trying to make a point here which I 
am just missing? Ingenuous is not my middle name. June

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  From: 
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  To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  Sent: 08 September 2002 18:40
  Subject: Re: [CTRL] re islamic 
  celebration
  
  


  
-Caveat Lector- I still 
do not know who the US you refer to is/ Who us? We 
who?on 9/8/02 1:24 PM, Minster Books at [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:
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  Force our views on people? 
  We little people have about as much chance of forcing our views on 
  others as you have of changing Bush or Blair's plans to do anything. 
  We don't go around the streets with bull whips and batons beating 
  people because they don't conform to our idea of what is suitable 
  dress. Did you ever hear of us doing such a thing? Maybe I am missing 
  your point here. If I am please enlighten me further. Thanks, 
  June
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From: thew mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 08 
September 2002 17:22Subject: Re: [CTRL] re islamic 
celebration-Caveat Lector- US? Exactly who do you 
mean by us?You mean it is ok for you to force your beliefs 
on others because of your numerical superiority but if it went the 
other way that would be bad?on 9/8/02 11:38 AM, Mermaid at 
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The 
  thing thatbothers me is that one day it is very likely that 
  muslims will out number usand become prolific forcing their 
  beliefs on us.-- --- 
- "Well, I've 
wrestled with reality for 35 years, doctor, and I'm happy to state I 
finally won out over 
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Re: [CTRL] re islamic celebration

2002-09-08 Thread Minster Books
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Hi Mermaid, I am worried, that is what prompted 
me to write. I too have daughters, older than your youngster but the thought 
fills me with horror that anyone would try to inflict the Muslim way of life on 
them. And I have grandsons growing up being taught respect for women. I see the 
occasional woman here clothed from head to foot in their burkas and I feel so 
sorry for them. NOBODY BUT NOBODY IS GOING TO FORCE THIS ON EITHER OF MY GIRLS 
OR ME OR ANY OF MY SISTERS. I am writing in capitals just for emphasis, not 
because I am shouting. I sometimes feel we are between a rock and a hard 
place Accept what is coming on us or join the NF and attempt to fight 
it. Has any one in Britain found a third way? WHITE, ENGLISH, CHRISTIAN and 
proud of it. June

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  To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  Sent: 08 September 2002 18:54
  Subject: Re: [CTRL] re islamic 
  celebration
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  Blimey!! I had a look have you seen 
  what they say about women and their periods? Its truly horrific! It seems to 
  me that Islam was made for men to subjugate women I am not for womens 
  liberation in the western image but these poor women are positively 
  imprisoned! I live on an Island down on the south west coast.It is so 
  difficult to not be biased against this religion and the fanatics who blow 
  themselves up.
  Gosh I dont know I think maybe national 
  front is not the way forward but maybe if they (the politicians)see public 
  opinion switching to the BNP it might wake them up a bit.
  You may not be worried June but I am 
  not just for me but for my child who is 13 years old and has a life ahead of 
  her.
  What a ruddy mess this country is 
  in.Its not just us though all the countries are worried about 
  Muslims.
  The Mermaid x
  
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Hi Mermaid, I'm a Brit, living on the east 
coast. Sharia law in Britain..do a search for Sharia Law on Google 
and that is really scary. Makes one want to join the National Front. Where 
are you? June, not quite frightened out of my wits yet! 

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We have so many 
Muslim factions now in Britian and now the achitects arebuilding 
shopping centres here to withstand suicide bombers.The thing 
thatbothers me is that one day it is very likely that muslims 
will out number usand become prolific forcing their beliefs on 
us.They are fanatics and to die for the cause is what they 
want.They have noregard for their lives and certainly none for 
ours.This Sheikh Mohammed should be deported from my country 
immediately.Iwouldnt be allowed to stand up in his country and 
do this i would be stonedor worse.Mr Blair has got to make a 
stand with people like this and deport anyone whois flagrantly 
whipping up this kind of bad feeling.For one thing the 
britishpeople wont stand for it much longer and there will be 
anarchy in thestreets.This is very frightening indeed.Are 
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Re: [CTRL] re islamic celebration

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Hello Prudy, I take on board all that you say. 
However there is no other religion at the moment determined to inflict on the 
peopleof my country their laws. and barbaric laws at that.Not Jews, 
notChristians, not Buddhists, not Quakers, norany other faith or 
religious system. And thatwas the point of our discussion.or so 
I understand. June

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writes: Blimey!! I had a look have you seen what 
they say about women and theirperiods? Its truly horrific! It seems 
to me that Islam was made for men tosubjugate women I am not for 
womens liberation in the western image but thesepoor women are 
positively imprisoned! I live on an Island down on the southwest 
coast.It is so difficult to not be biased against this religion and 
thefanatics who blow themselves up.Gosh I dont know I think 
maybe national front is not the way forward butmaybe if they (the 
politicians)see public opinion switching to the BNP itmight wake 
them up a bit. You need to keep studying. If you 
read the various laws in the ChristianBible, the Koran, and I don't 
know where it is specified, but I know thatthere are many, many laws 
for Jews and Jewish women. Take a careful view ofany religion, and 
you will discover just why the distinct separation ofchurch and 
state is preferable. If you give any of them the upper hand, 
theresult is horrific. The most fundamental are the most horrific. 
It hasn'tbeen many years since Christians were made most 
uncomfortable right here inthe United States, and recently a 
Lutheran girl in school in the southsomewhere was made to feel truly 
alien, because everyone else in her schoolwere Southern Baptist. An 
early ancestor of my husband (very religious ofcourse) charged 
someone with blasphemy.I don't know what the outcome was, butthere 
would have been serious punishment. It wasn't so long ago that 
theSpanish Inquisition taught a lot of poor wretches the true 
meaning ofChristianity. Be thankful we live in saner times, but 
don't think that Islamis the only faith that has a few words to say 
about women that can make yousquirm. Nearly every faith has found a 
way to smash the ego and importanceof women. I particularly like the 
one the "Promise Keepers" espouse. "Womenshould submit graciously." 
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[CTRL] Fw: Media Fails at Hebrew University

2002-08-01 Thread Minster Books
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Sent: 02 August 2002 02:01
Subject: Media Fails at Hebrew University


 FALSE MORAL EQUIVALENCE HEADLINE OF THE WEEK:
 (courtesy of Agence France-Presse)

 "Two Israelis, Two Palestinians Killed in Suicide Bombings and Ambushes"
 http://sg.news.yahoo.com/020730/1/31286.html

 In this case, two does not equal two. The two dead Israelis were brothers
 who had gone on Tuesday to a Palestinian village to sell fuel. The two
 dead Palestinians were a suicide bomber (Jerusalem falafel stand), and a
 man who broke into a Jewish home and stabbed two Israelis, before being
 shot by security guards.

 Complaints to:
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]

 
 HonestReporting Communique
 02 August 2002

 "MEDIA FAILS AT HEBREW UNIVERSITY"

 * * *

 Dear HonestReporting Member,

 The civilized world is shocked at the latest Palestinian bombing, this
 time defiling the sanctity of an academic campus -- one in which Jewish,
 Arab and foreign students mixed freely.

 The media has distorted the events of Wednesday's Hebrew University
 bombing in 4 significant ways. HonestReporting encourages members to
 monitor your local media and call their attention to the following points.


 === DISTORTION #1 ==
 The media reported the attack as a response to Israel's killing of Hamas
 leader Salah Shehadeh in Gaza.

 Knight-Ridder correspondent Soraya Sarhaddi Nelson leads off by writing:
 "Palestinians seeking revenge for a recent Israeli airstrike on the Gaza
 Strip detonated a bomb Wednesday in a crowded cafeteria at Hebrew
 University..."
 http://www.philly.com/mld/inquirer/3773618.htm

 It is spurious to categorize this attack as a response, when Hamas was
 already planning attacks anyway. According to Israeli Defense Minister
 Benjamin Ben-Eliezer, Shehadeh was planning six simultaneous terror
 attacks in six different Israeli cities, including mega-attacks intended
 to kill hundreds of Israelis. The LA Times reports that Israel's top
 internal security official believed that at least 60 terror attacks were
 already being planned.
 http://latimes.com/news/nationworld/world/la-fg-mideast1aug01.story

 Some media even parroted the propagandist claim that Hamas was on the
 brink of a cease-fire. This argument is preposterous, considering that
 Hamas has waged a ceaseless campaign of terror against Israeli civilians,
 claiming credit for at least 28 major bombing attacks against Israeli
 civilians since the Oslo Accords were signed in 1993.
 http://www.mfa.gov.il/mfa/go.asp?MFAH0i5d0


 === DISTORTION #2 ==
 The media presents the Hebrew U attack as an appropriate retaliation, a
 tit-for-tat for the deaths of civilians in Shehadeh's apartment building.

 However, the media fails to note one crucial difference: Israel was
 targeting a terrorist mastermind, with the civilians  deaths regrettable
 collateral damage. By contrast, in the Hebrew U attack, Palestinians were
 intentionally targeting civilians.

 This key point is omitted in a Reuters report, which fails to mention of
 why Israel attacked "a crowded area of Gaza City," implying that Israel is
 no better than Palestinian bombers:

 "Palestinian militants have vowed to avenge an Israeli missile strike on a
 crowded area of Gaza City last week that sparked strong international
 condemnation..."
 http://honestreporting.com/a/r/264.asp

 We ask: Would the media consider it an appropriate retaliation for Israel
 to now go massacre Palestinian university students? Of course not. As the
 UK Independent put it:

 "Sheikh Ahmad Yassin, Hamas' spiritual leader, said: 'When Israel bombs a
 civilian building full of women and children, and kills 15 people, this is
 the response they should expect.' It was a response that quickly eroded
 the international sympathy for the Palestinians prompted by the Gaza air
 strike. 'Why is somebody targeting students sitting down to their
 lunch?'..."
 http://honestreporting.com/a/r/265.asp


 === DISTORTION #3 ==
 The media failed to report the mass celebrations in Gaza following the
 Hebrew U attack. An estimated 10,000 Palestinian men, women and children
 celebrated in the streets with clapping, singing and distributing sweets
 -- while carrying pictures of Hamas spiritual leader Sheikh Ahmed Yassin,
 and calling for more suicide bombings.

 This is in sharp contrast to the Israeli soul-searching and regret
 following the deaths of civilians in the Shehadeh strike.

 Amazingly, mention of the Gaza rally and celebrations was totally omitted
 by many major news agencies, including:

 - The New York Times
 http://honestreporting.com/a/r/266.asp

 - The Washington Post
 http://washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A25043-2002Jul31.html

 - BBC
 http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/2163677.stm

 Associated Press notes the rally, but doesn't mention any celebrations.
 http://honestreporting.com/a/r/267.asp

 This mysterious omission calls 

Re: [CTRL] Fw: [AF] Israeli Army opens fire on crowd of civilians - 6 year old girl dead

2002-06-23 Thread Minster Books

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Shall we start posting a list of Jewish victims killed and wounded by Arab
bombs?
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  INTERNATIONAL SOLIDARITY MOVEMENT
  Friday, June 21, 2002 - 12:50pm
  For Immediate Release
  ISRAELI ARMY OPENS FIRE ON CIVILIANS IN THE STREETS OF JENIN
 
 
 
  [JENIN] The curfew in Jenin was lifted mid-morning today. Two hours
later,
 with no warning the army returned to the main city. The streets were still
 full of people trying to buy supplies before curfew was reimposed. Israeli
 soldiers opened fire on the crowd of people in the market and in the
 streets. Al-Razi Hospital has a dead 6 year old girl, Sujoud Mohammad
 Turki - shot in the head, and several more wounded, including Sujoud's 12
 year old brother and 2 1/2 year old sister, who went out with their father
 to buy food from the market.
 
  The streets are still blocked by tanks, preventing people from moving
back
 to places of safety. There are several internationals in the city. Some
are
 trying to get to other hospitals in the area.
 
  Contacts in Jenin:
  Tobias (067 362 344)
  Jim (053 812 874)
  Rick (067-456-158)
  Rebecca (055-558-954)
  Dr. Ali Jabareen (Al Razi Hospital) - 04-250-2653
 
 
  Dead:
  Sujoud Mohammad Turki- 6 yrs old
 
  Injuries:
  Nael Mohammad Turki - 12 years old
  Sheva Ahmed Turki Fahmawi - 2.5 years old
  Hassan Amin al-Tamimi - 16 years old (bullet in head)
  Khaled Taha Ahmed - 42 years
  Diab Mahmoud Al-Staty - 20 years
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Re: [CTRL] Fw: [AF] Israeli Army opens fire on crowd of civilians - 6 year ...

2002-06-23 Thread Minster Books
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The lengths of the lists were not my point and 
I'm inclined to disagree with you anywayjust my gut feeling you understand 
and not the product of research. June

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Re: [CTRL] The REAL Promised Land

2002-06-08 Thread Minster Books
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H ...and then there's us with a proposed 
2 million Asian refugees should things go really pear shaped over 
India/Pakistan/Kashmir. Better move over..the mind boggles 
just thinking about 2 million extra people needing to be fed, watered, housed, 
clothed etc. 

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And don't forget to include the big factor - fresh water 
scarcity.

The same idiots here in Australia plan to double the 
population
over a similar timeframe (perhaps even earlier). Okay, we have 
a
very large unpopulated land mass... most of the population 
live
in coastal regions (where the water supply is) - and as 
things
stand at present, the price of water is steadily increasing 
while
tighter and tighter restrictions on usage are being 
implemented.

Who knows how much it will cost and what rationing will apply
should the population double. We'll all be too dehydrated to 
care.

*It's all about the water* - and the UN Crime Syndicate know 
it.

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 What these fools who tout unlimited immigration 
refuse to acknowledge is that population density is the greatest 
threat to the US environment since its creation as a nation. 
Nothing destroys the environment and native wildlife more then 
population density and the huge population jump in the US over 
the past 50 years - a doubling of the population is the road 
toecological destruction.  It has been projected 
based on the 2000 census that the US will have a population of 
at least 500 million by 2040.  More paved woodlands, 
drained wetlands and millions more cars and belching power 
plants to provide electricity to the new teeming masses. More 
mindless malls, highways and suburban ghettos.  It ain't 
about 'diversity' its all about mindless overpopulation. 
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Re: [CTRL] $1 Billion for Conservative Ideas: think-tanks

1999-06-14 Thread books
 the right of blacks, and that
the Civil War was looming on the horizon as Abraham Lincoln stepped from
podium to podium, his message rang true in the hearts and minds of millions
of Americans...there was a conspiracy afoot to nationalize slavery in
defiance of freedom fighters everywhere. Was this "conspiracy theory" of Old
Honest Abe's nothing more than the ill-conceived imaginings of a backwoods
lawyer who was a mentally ill hypochondriac and who, in addition to
suffering from depression was suffering delusions? After all, who in his
right mind would conceive of such fanciful notions? Conspiracy, indeed! Have
the Jews ever conspired to anything in all their history?

Keeping in mind that Lincoln was soon to plunge this young nation into war,
is it conceivable that such a venture could be achieved by the railings of
one deluded soul who was going around stumping his way to the Presidency by
concocting some hair-brained idea that there was an international conspiracy
to nationalize slavery?

Keeping in mind that Lincoln was soon to openly defy the International Jews
by printing the debt free and tax free "greenback dollar", it is difficult
to imagine that Lincoln was the sort of fool he is so often made out to be
by supposedly respectable, authoritative and "accepted" historians. Of
course we must ask ourselves who are the people who are accepting these
histories that denounce Lincoln's Conspiracy Theory?

They couldn't possibly be Jews and their proselytes could they? American
historical societies and American history books abound with accounts of the
assassination of Lincoln that make mockery of the Lincoln Conspiracy Theory
and it is these accounts that the Jews find "acceptable". In fact even the
Cuomo/Holzer Book "Lincoln On Democracy" fails to make clear that it was
Lincoln's June 16, 1858 speech in Springfield in which Lincoln repeatedly
charged that the Dred Scott decision was merely part of a larger conspiracy
to nationalize slavery. The real underlying reasons for the existence of the
American freedom fighters (freesoilers as they were called then) has long
been removed from the history shelves. And, of course, very little is ever
said about the Lincoln "greenback dollar" and the importance of the
"abolitionist movement" and the Republican Party, which Lincoln was soon to
head as President. Yet, it is quite unimaginable to think for a moment that
Old Honest Abe could possibly have gained the Presidential nomination, much
less won the election, if there had not been very widespread and general
understanding and agreement with the Conspiracy Theory being vocalized by
Mr. Lincoln. Clearly, Old Abe did not "invent" the Conspiracy Theory of
which he so eloquently spoke. Quite the contrary, Old Abe was a gifted
orator who spoke on behalf of the masses of people who thronged to hear him
speak and give him the support he needed to become President.

Keeping in mind that international commerce was in full bloom and that the
international money lenders were desperately struggling then, as they are
now, to secure their global control of the debt/tax money printing business,
it is not difficult to understand why Old Abe posed a real threat to them
when he defiantly printed the "greenback dollar" without debt and without
taxes and without servitude to the bankers. The success of the Lincoln
greenback dollar would have spelled doom and disaster for the "slave's yoke
of international capital and its masters, the Jews". The Jews had to stop
Old Abe, and stopped he was (so was the "greenback" with the passage of
Section 4 of the 14th Amendment). The whole purpose of the global conspiracy
to nationalize slavery in the United States was to secure acceptance of all
aspects of Jewish Slave Law, including those parts of Mosaic Law that
institutionalize debt/tax slavery.

The enactment of the 14th Amendment, Section 4 ("...the public debt...shall
be questioned") tells the whole story of the behind-the-scenes intrigue that
spelled the final end for Lincoln and his greenback dollar. The Conspiracy
Lincoln tried to stop from taking control of America won the day. While the
history books tell is the North won the Civil War, it is not difficult to
look around America and see that debt/tax slavery is alive and well in every
middlesex, village and town throughout this land that used to be called
"Homestead America".Debt/tax slavery is alive and well okay and so is Jewish
Slave Law with all its brutality.

When Abraham Lincoln went to visit his friend Mary Speed, he later wrote of
the moving experience he witnessed, and it is well worth quoting: "A
gentleman had purchased twelve negroes in different parts of Kentucky and
was taking them to a farm in the South. They were chained six and six
together. A small iron clevis was around the left wrist of each, and this
fastened to the ma

Re: [CTRL] NATO and Ethnic Cleansing by KLA

1999-06-14 Thread books

 -Caveat Lector-

IT IS GRADUALLY BECOMING MORE OBVIOUS WHAT THE BALKANS WAR WAS PARTLY ALL
ABOUT - THE GRABBING OF WEALTH - BUT THERE IS A MUCH MORE SINISTER SCEANRIO
GOING ON - SEE THE POST ENTITLED, "GLOBALCONSPIRACY - THE FREEDOM TO MAKE
SLAVES".
-Original Message-
From: Das GOAT [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Monday, June 14, 1999 3:17 AM
Subject: [CTRL] NATO and "Ethnic Cleansing" by KLA


 -Caveat Lector-

KLA Moves in After Serbs Depart

By CANDICE HUGHES
.c The Associated Press


DOBRO SELO, Yugoslavia (AP) - It didn't take the Kosovo Liberation Army
long
to move in after Serb forces withdrew. Within minutes, guerrillas were
coming
down from the hills. Within hours, they had seized control of one of
Yugoslavia's biggest coal mines.

NATO got there the next day.

The rebels moved in so fast Saturday morning that mining company manager
Dragan Radakovic - a Serb - didn't understand what the shooting was at
first.
``I thought maybe it was the army celebrating'' their pullout, he said.

But the rattle of automatic weapons fire got louder - and closer.

International monitors said the KLA took control Sunday of a major crossing
point on the Yugoslav-Albanian border shortly after Yugoslav officials
abandoned it.

About 10-15 KLA guerrillas were guarding the Morini station late Sunday,
said
Andrea Angeli, spokesman of the Organization for Security and Cooperation
in
Europe. Morini was the main crossing point for hundreds of thousands of
ethnic Albanians who fled the province during the Serb crackdown, which
accelerated after NATO started its bombing campaign March 24.

Standing on the rim of Pit No. 10 at the Belacevac mine, Radakovic peered
through binoculars and saw the KLA on the horizon.

``It was a hard feeling,'' he said. ``All I could think about was how to
save
my workers.''

The rebels moved into the 4-square-mile mine from the west. Radakovic
pulled
his employees out to the east in 2 1/2 frantic hours, saving nearly 100.

But the rebels attacked a van bringing in workers for the afternoon shift.
Three Serb miners and the driver, 31-year-old Zvonomir Stepic - coming to
work unwarned and unaware - were kidnapped.

As best as Radakovic could tell, the rebel force numbered several hundred.
They were gloating, using the dispatcher's two-way radio at the mine
administration to taunt the Serbs and curse them.

``Go back to Serbia,'' the rebel voice would say.

Serbs are a minority in this province, outnumbered before the war 9-to-1 by
ethnic Albanians.

Stepic's father, Zivojin, said his son headed off for work unconcerned,
despite the army and police withdrawal that has put Kosovo's Serbs on edge.

``We knew the army was withdrawing, but we didn't worry,'' he said. ``We
expected NATO to protect the workers.''

Serb civilians have been pouring out of areas in northern and western
Kosovo
where the KLA is active. As many as 8,000 arrived in neighboring Montenegro
on Sunday. But Serbs have been less fearful in Pristina, the provincial
capital, which will be the headquarters of the NATO force.

The kidnappings at the mine and Serb media reports of four separate KLA
attacks in Pristina on Sunday could change that feeling of security.

NATO is in Kosovo to assure the safe return of 860,000 ethnic Albanians
driven from the province by Serb forces and to keep the peace. The
international force also is supposed to demilitarize the KLA, but just how
it
will do that is unclear.

Peacekeeping troops are streaming into the province, but the job of
establishing control is complex and time-consuming. And the KLA, which
appears to have no plans to lay down its arms, is badly complicating their
task - as the mine takeover shows.

``It's horrible,'' Radakovic said. ``They don't respect agreements of any
kind.''

The mine manager said the Serb army withdrawal took him by surprise; he
expected them to wait for NATO. But shortly after 7 a.m. Saturday, they
began
pulling out of the three deserted villages bordering the mine.

Just a day earlier, military and police officials in Pristina had assured
him
there would be no security vacuum at the mine, a critical link in the
electric power supply system that the KLA had seized for several weeks last
year. Ten workers kidnapped in the June 22, 1998 attack have not been seen
since.

NATO took him by surprise, too.

They arrived unannounced - and unaware that the mine was in rebel hands.

Radakovic stumbled on the NATO team Sunday afternoon as he headed out to
check on the tiny band of guards he'd deployed on a ridge between the
KLA-controlled Belacevac and its sister mine, Dobro Selo.

He was stunned. He was thrilled. He thought maybe he'd get his mine back.
Maybe there was hope for the kidnapped workers.

But the NATO force, four Royal Canadian armored vehicles, weren't there to
recapture anything from the KLA or take away their guns. Their job was
reconnaissance. ``They sent us here because it is high ground and we can
see
a lot,'' Lt. 

Re: [CTRL] New CMRA Rules in Violation of USPS Privacy Regs?

1999-06-14 Thread books

 -Caveat Lector-

TAKE A COPY OF THE POST "GLOBAL CONSPIRACY - THE FREEDOM TO MAKE SLAVES"
WITH YOU.  MAYBE YOU CAN GET THE USPS TO DO A NATIONAL MAIL CAMPAIGN AND
SEND A COPY TO EVERY POSTAL ADDRESS IN AMERICA RECKON???
-Original Message-
From: Lyn McCloskey [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Sunday, June 13, 1999 7:10 PM
Subject: [CTRL] New CMRA Rules in Violation of USPS Privacy Regs?


 -Caveat Lector-

[FYI, Postal Watch is a group started by a commercial mail receiving agent.
The following is from their email list in its entirety]

From: "Postal Watch" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: "Postal Watch" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: URGENT ACTION  ALERT from Postal Watch
Date: Sat, 12 Jun 1999 22:37:24 -0400
X-MSMail-Priority: Normal
X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3

URGENT --- URGENT  ---  URGENT

Very Long Message to follow:

Boy are they attempting to pull a fast one now!

WASHINGTON, DC, Saturday June 12, 1999 // PostalWatch //
After realizing that the CMRA rules violate their own "Privacy
Regulations"
the Postal Service is attempting to pull a fast one. On page 30929 of the
Federal Register Jun 9  the United  States Postal Service announced the
"opening" of an official comment period on a "proposed rule" that would
change the  USPS "Privacy Rules" AND " Under the rule change, the
recorded business name, address, and telephone number of the addressee
using a Commercial Mail Receiving Agency (CMRA) private mailbox (PMB)
for the purpose of doing or soliciting business with the public will be
furnished to any person upon request without charge."

We have attached the text from this proposed rule to the bottom of this
ALERT and the actual Federal Register can be pulled up on line by going
to:


http://www.access.gpo.gov/su_docs/aces/aces140.html

and do a "phrase/keyword" search on "page 30929


=
ACTION ALERT

1) SEND COMPLAINT LETTER TO THE USPS:
(even if you don't do business out of your box, this is everyone's
fight)

we have until JULY 9, 1999 to submit in writing (snail Mail) our comments
opposing these changes.  Considering they ignored over 8,000 complaints
 last time we need everybody and their dog to send in a complaint.

 Manager, Administration and FOIA
 United States Postal Service
 475 L'Enfant Plaza SW, Room 8141
 Washington, DC 20260-5202.


2) FAX, EMAIL or CALL (no time for snail mail) your Congressional Rep and
Senators in an urgent plea that they file an official complaint on your
behalf of with the Postal Service.  PLEASE KEEP THESE TO LESS THAN ONE
PAGE.
Point out that in your opinion the Postal Service is attempting to usurp
the
"Privacy Act of 1994" while proving that Congress and the Legislative
Branch
of the Government CAN NOT TELL THE ALMIGHTY US POSTAL SERVICE WHAT TO DO.

3) We will have another Action ALERT VERY SOON.  Get your pens or
keyboards
out THIS IS IT EVERYONE NEEDS TO COMMIT THAT THEY ARE WILLING TO WRITE,
WRITE and WRITE until we WIN!

4)  LAST BUT NOT LEAST.  WE DESPERATELY NEED EVERYBODY'S FINANCIAL
SUPPORT.
We will be traveling to Washington this week and have briefings set up
back
to back.
We can no longer fund this effort by ourselves do not have the resources
to
continue to do this
out of my own pocket much longer!  We have memberships  starting as low as
$25.00.
Please send your checks to:

   PostalWatch Incorporated
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Thank you!

THERE WILL BE NO EMAIL UPDATES WHILE WE ARE IN WASHINGTON,
but look for lots of news when we return near the end of the week!

I the mean time we now have 15 co-sponsors for HJR 55.  Make sure you
check
Congressman Ron Paul's web site "Sponsor Status" at
http://www.house.gov/paul/legis/106/cospon.htm#hjres55 for the latest and
developments and MAKE SURE YOU FILE OUR COMPLAINT ON THEIR NEW
RULE CHANGE RIGHT NOW!  Let's see if they can ignore 100,000 complaints!

We will be listening for those fax machines as we are walking the halls of
the
Congressional Office Building!

Wish us luck!
Thank you
PostalWatch


=

Federal Register: June 9, 1999 (Volume 64, Number 110)]
[Proposed Rules]
[Page 30929-30930]
From the Federal Register Online via GPO Access [wais.access.gpo.gov]
[DOCID:fr09jn99-24]

===
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POSTAL SERVICE

39 CFR Part 265


Release of Information

AGENCY: Postal Service.

ACTION: Proposed rule.

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SUMMARY: The Postal Service is changing the prohibition in
Sec. 265.6(d)(8) of title 39 of the Code of Federal Regulations (CFR)
against disclosure of information contained in PS Form 1583,
Application for Delivery of Mail Through Agent, to conform to recent

Re: [CTRL] Remove????

1999-06-14 Thread books

 -Caveat Lector-

IT'S TOO BAD THERE IS SO MUCH FEAR OF TRUTH.  THOSE INTERESTED IN GETTING A
BETTER UNDERSTANDING OF THE CONFUSION ABOUT RACISM AND SCIENTIFIC NATIONAL
SOCIALISM CAN GO TO THE POST "GLOBAL CONSPIRACY - THE FREEDOM TO MAKE
SLAVES."
-Original Message-
From: simon [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Monday, June 14, 1999 4:54 PM
Subject: [CTRL] Remove


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Anyone know how to get off of this list?

Thanks.

Mark

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[CTRL] MELIORATED SLAVERY

1999-06-13 Thread books






AS LONG AS THE BANK OF ENGLAND, INTERLOCKED WITH THE FED/IMF/WORLD BANK 
INTEREST/DEBT/TAX SLAVERY MONEY SYSTEM RULES AMERICA ALL OTHER LEGAL QUESTIONS 
ARE MOOT. CONSIDER THIS:
The standard, Judeo-christian interpretation of Matthew 25:14-30 is that 
the slave master is the good guy and the disobedient slave is the bad guy. 
On closer analysis of this text, in the context that Jesus, who was, by standard 
Jewish/Judeo-christian accounts, a rebelious slave himself, the text must be 
analyzed from the point of view that either Jesus, like the rebellious slave in 
this text, is either the good guy or the bad guy. If we assume that Jesus 
is the good guy then it logically follows that the rebellious slave, not the 
slave master, in the Mathew 25:14-30 text, is also the good guy, which turns 
topsy-turvy the notion that earning profit on money is good. The economic and 
financial implications of this little twist of theological thinking has immense 
and far reaching implications regarding the conflict between capitalists, 
communists, international socialists, and nationalists, particularly national 
socialists. When the Matthew 25:14-30 text is analyzed in the broader 
framework of various philosophical views about money, particularly Aristotle's 
contention that money is sterile and that it is morally bankrupt to earn profit 
on money, it puts the modern economic notion that money is not economically 
productive, and hence not part of the economic equation, into central focus and 
brings to the front burner the fundamental global conflict now going on as a 
result of the Zionist NATO attempt to expand the IMF/World bank 
interest/debt/tax slavery money system into Eastern Europe. Considering 
that America is bankrupt, it is only a matter of time until the global monetary 
system must come to terms with what Karl Marx called finance capital 
and what Adolph Hitler called the slave's yoke of international capital 
and its masters, the Jews. The root of this global conflict rests in 
Deuteronomy 15:6 and in what Islam calls the Deuteronomic Double 
Standard where the Bible teaches that it is morally wrong for Jews to pay 
interest but it is morally right for Jews to charge interest (the 
meliorated slavery scenario moralized by the Bible). Those who 
are militant anti-communists need to understand that Karl Marx did not invent 
the slogan from each according to his ability, to each according to his 
need, he mearly took it out of Acts 2:45. There is a lot going on 
behind the scenes these days. The Pope's recent visit to Poland has 
powerful implications. It is time for Christian Theologians to do a 
serious re-think of what Christianity is really all about. Matthew 
25:14-30 must be the starting point for any scholarly analysis of the economic 
and financial teachings of Jesus. Most so-called christains 
and lovers of democracy don't have a clew that when they claim that 
the Bible is the word of God they are giving their blessing to Ephesians 6:5 
which is now emobdied in the IMF/World Bank interest/debt/tax slavery money 
system that the Jews call meliorated slavery God-ordained by the Law 
of Moses (Torah/Pentateuch). How many so-called christains do 
you know who believe that Jesus abolished the Law of Moses? Jesus 
fulfilled the Ten Commandments, not the Torah/Pentateuch. Thomas Jefferson 
simply said that Christianity is an engine for enslaving 
mankind. What he meant was Judeo-christianity which 
rejects the economic and financial teachings of Jesus (which would abolish all 
interest/debt/tax slavery money systems). Until preaching, teaching, 
promoting or practicing slavery of any kind is made illegal and unconstitutional 
all other arguements are like grabbing at buckets to try to bail out the 
Titanic. AMERICA IS BANKRUPT - SO... WHO CARES?Lee Cheney
For more information go to:
http://www.freeyellow.com/members6/freedomfrombibleslavelaw/index.html
and to:
http://www.geocities.com/WallStreet/Bureau/7486/americabankruptsolution.index.html
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[CTRL] THE LINCOLN CONSPIRACY THEORY

1999-06-13 Thread books





There is an old saying that a really good 
conspiracy can not be proven. There is also an old saying that where 
there's smoke, there's fire. I see a whole lot of smoke. What 
I would like to do with this message is to try focus on the fire, or the root 
cause of the smoke, which is, in part, what my books are about. What 
follows is excerpted from my first book, Bible Slave Law (1993). 
Serious, scholarly comments and replies are welcome (see web and e-mail 
addresses at the end of this message).

INTRODUCTION
...God has raised up the United States for two purposes 
only: to protect Israel from all enemies and to serve as a base for evangelizing 
the entire world. Except for these two purposes, America has no `right or reason 
for existence'.

JERRY FALWELL (Christianity Today Sept 4, 1981, p. 25 Quoted 
from reprint in The Southern Baptist Holy War, by Joe Edward Barnhart, p. 
170)

FORWARD

According to a report on CNN television the average American 
taxpayer must work 123 days per year in order to pay his TAXES 
(see endnote on p.224). Based on a 5 day, 40 hour work week, that 
comes to 24.6 work weeks. If the average taxpayer gets 2.8 weeks holiday time 
each year that means that exactly HALF OF THE AVERAGE TAXPAYER'S LABOUR 
GOES TO PAY TAXES. When one takes into consideration the amount of 
labour hours required to pay the INTEREST on the home mortgage, 
the INTEREST on the car payments, the INTEREST on 
the credit card, and the INTEREST on the multitude of other 
consumer purchases made; and, when one considers the built-in price increases 
added on to the market prices of products to pay the INTEREST on 
corporate and other business DEBT; and, when one considers the 
amount of money taken out of the take-home packet of labour to pay the 
DEBT on the home mortgage, the DEBT on the car, 
DEBT on the credit card, and the DEBT on the 
multitude of other consumer and capital acquisition debts owed by labour to the 
MONEYCHANGERS, the only logical conclusion one 
can come to is that INTEREST, DEBT AND TAXES ARE PURE UNADULTERATED 
SLAVERY OF LABOUR.
The idea that Marxism is a theory of liberation or it is 
nothing is rooted in the Marxian theory of the exploitation of labour, a 
theory which is supposedly rooted in the fundamental rejection of all forms of 
slavery, including financial slavery, tax slavery and, indeed, all forms of 
debt/tax slavery. As the world watches the Russian system of STATE 
CAPITALISM being converted back into PRIMITIVE CAPITALISM, it becomes 
readily apparent that Marxism has never existed at any time in the Soviet Union 
nor does Marxism exist anywhere in the world today, and, that merely swinging 
the pendulum back and forth between vulgar communism and primitive capitalism is 
not going to solve the problem of the exploitation of labour.
Raya Dunayevskaya made a profoundly important statement in her 
book Marxism and Freedom when she said that there is a 
veritable conspiracy to identify Marxism, a theory of liberation, with its 
opposite, Communism (meaning what Karl Marx called Vulgar 
Communism). While the general awakening to the idea of vulgar communism 
seems to have served as a guiding light for the rejection of State Capitalism in 
the now defunct Soviet Union, from the way things have been developing in 
Eastern Europe and Russia, however, the struggle for freedom has resulted more 
in opening up the freedom for the debt/tax slavemasters of the earth to exploit 
and enslave the working class than to free the working class from exploitation 
and slavery.
Blaming Nationalism as the villain in the Balkan dilemma (or in 
any of the other struggles by peoples for freedom and independence from 
exploitation and slavery) is, at best, a propaganda ploy necessary to keep the 
IMF/World Bank/International Corporate System in global control of the 
exploitation and debt/tax slavery of all peoples and nations. However, there is 
no reason on God's earth why each nation or state (or union of nations or 
states) can not print their own debt free and tax free money for the creation of 
debt free and tax free business and industrial TRADE with one another and 
other nations. It is profoundly important, however, to make it unquestionably 
clear that FAIR trade between nations is an impossibility when 
foreign investment owns and controls the land, labour and capital of 
those nations and peoples who would otherwise be free.
In fact, rather than Nationalism being the villain, the villain 
preventing the creation of genuine economic freedom for all people, not only in 
Russia and the Balkans but everywhere else as well, is the global debt/tax 
slavery money system which has its roots deeply embedded in Bible Slave Law.
Of course, the IMF/World Bank/International Corporate Interlock 
COULD voluntarily convert into a debt free and tax free money system for 
the financing of a GLOBAL UNIVERSAL private property economic system but 
expecting such a miracle would be rather like

Re: [CTRL] Fw: AANEWS for Sunday, June 13, 1999

1999-06-13 Thread books
d in drafting the
petition and it's not wording that I particularly support."  He added
that he has already been approached by other members of his district
who are launching petitions to keep the "god" reference in the
Charter.  "I have said I would be pleased to present that petition,"
declared Robinson.

Also speaking out against any change were groups like Chinese
Christians in Action and the British Columbia Moslem Association; both
organizations are circulating keep-god petitions to their respective
religious followers.  Bill Chu of CCA told the Canadian Broadcasting
Service on Monday that those seeking to change the Charter wording
were "trying to make everything so relative that nobody can argue
what's right and wrong anymore."  MP Robinson responded, "Canada is a
secular country.  That's not to deny the deep importance of
spirituality and religious faith to many folks in Canada, but when
Bill Chu says for example, and he said 'we are a Christian country,'
Canada is a country of many different religious faiths, and a country
in which there are folks who have the right to express no religious
beliefs, and that's what this petition would seek to ensure."

Even the New Democrats distanced themselves from Mr. Robinson and the
petition.  On Wednesday, Alexsia McDonough, senior NDP leader,
reprimanded Robinson for introducing a measure "which was not the
position of the party."

"He (Robinson) was advancing a position that was immensely
controversial and rejected by the party," said McDonough, "and we felt
that it was very important to both make clear that this is not the
position of the party...  He has been reprimanded and it is very much
our desire to move on."  Party officials also criticized Robinson for
presenting the petition in conjunction with a television appearance,
which generated a tidal wave of media curiosity.  Nelson Riis, also an
NDP Member, described the petition as "absolutely stupid," and
characterized Robinson's move as "disgusting" and reflecting "poor
political judgment."

Ms.McDonough rose before the news cameras and House to declare,
"Today, together with my NDP caucus, I reaffirm our party's continuing
support for the inclusion in Canada's Constitution of the preamble
referring to the supremacy of God."

Others rose in support of McDonough, including Progressive
Conservative MP Elsie Wayne who insisted, "This country has been going
in the wrong direction for a long time, and for the first time in 132
years you can't say the Lord's Prayer in the House of Commons.  This
country was built on good moral, Christian values."  Wayne ominously
warned, "You open the door to all the different cultures, you ask them
to come in, you welcome them here.  But when you go to someone else's
country, you don't ask them to change their believe because you've
come to their country."

  News reports say that no action is expected on the petition.

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Re: [CTRL] bonehead (no) jokes

1999-06-13 Thread books

 -Caveat Lector-

Until more people have the courage, and interest, to dig into the people who
are cause of the drug trade we can only expect more misguided things to
happen.  If the Jews wanted to stop the drug trade as much as they wanted us
to fight yet another war for them in the Balakns the drug trade would come
to a halt in a flash because it is the Jews who invented, created and
control the international money system and if they wanted to they could stop
the money laundering in a flash at least it could be if the Jews would
permit genuine banking reform.  Heck fire, America is bankrupt but who cares
and it's always the slave class that gets crackeddown on, never the bankers
and tax collectors... Jesus is probably the best example in all of history
as to what happens to people to attack the root of the problem.
Lee Cheney
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From: E Mael [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Sunday, June 13, 1999 2:05 PM
Subject: [CTRL] bonehead (no) jokes


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The second bonehead award goes to the U.S. Customs.  Last year alone 2,797
international airline passengers were ordered to strip off their clothes at
gunpoint at airports, intimately groped and had body cavities searched, all
in the name of the drug war.  Some were forced to take laxatives in the
hopes of finding swallowed drugs.  Some were held for a couple of days.
Even though officials had no evidence that these people were carrying
drugs.

I hope this deeply bothers you as it does me.  I don't think many Americans
believe this is an appropriate way to handle the drug problem.  I bet you
don't believe this is true.  But I have the sources right here...

From the Washington Sun-Sentinel
(http://www.sun-sentinel.com/news/daily/detail/0%2C1136%2C135085390
%
2C00.html):

Buritica, a Colombian-born U.S. citizen, said she was searched and forced
to
take laxatives by agents who suspected her of carrying drugs when she
arrived at San Francisco International Airport in 1994 on a flight from
Hong
Kong.

Denson said she was about seven months pregnant when she arrived at the
Fort
Lauderdale-Hollywood International Airport in 1997 on a flight from Jamaica
to Florida. She said Customs agents took her to a hospital, forced her to
take a laxative, and shackled her to a bed for two days so they could
monitor her bowel movements. Eight days later, she said, her son was born
prematurely. No drugs were found on either woman.

From CNN News
(http://www-cgi.cnn.com/CNN/bureaus/chicago/stories/9806/stripsearch/index.
h
tm):

Jacqueline Jones can't forget the fear and humiliation. She had just
arrived
at Chicago's O'Hare airport from Berlin last September when customs
officials pulled her aside. They checked her bags and then ordered a strip
search.

''They take me over to one of these little rooms that looks like one of
these South American torture chambers. I was so afraid I did not know what
they were going to do. So I go there and I'm standing against the wall. All
of a sudden I've got my legs spread and the women searches me. She goes --
this is full body type search -- breast all the way down -- including
putting her hand between my legs." Customs officials found nothing.

Gwendolyn Richards was returning to Chicago O'Hare from Jamaica when
customs
officials took her to a hospital in handcuffs. "They felt like I had
something. They wanted to make sure I had it, or didn't have it, or
whatever. I was on the table with my legs in stirrups and the doctor
checked
me out. She basically told me I was clean."

How do the Customs officials feel about this?  Custom official Irene Prince
says ''We have the legal right to do what we do.  It has been tested in the
courts. We do live in a less than perfect world. The good guys sometimes
get
caught up with the bad guys.''  OK Irene Prince, you are the one making the
world less than perfect!

Feel free to send this to others if you want to urge people to write
protests to their representatives and senators.

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Re: [CTRL] Fw: AANEWS for Sunday, June 13, 1999

1999-06-13 Thread books
 7- A Maximum wealth holding formula shall be established whereby the
accumulation of income, wealth, and other property in excess of the
established maximum is hereby prohibited unless it can be proven by the
owner and/or owners of that wealth that such wealth was acquired without
using any kind of usury, exploitation, or slavery of any kind, or in any
form including foreign investment, and the ownership of land, business, and
capital, which is hereby prohibited and shall be confiscated.

Part 8- 100% of the gross profit of all businesses and corporations shall be
paid out to the owners of those businesses and corporations before any new
investment may be made by those businesses or corporations, the bond market
and the stock markets shall be closed, and the issuing of bonds and
speculative trading in stocks and/or the ownership of stocks without direct
ownership in the second factor of production is hereby unconstitutional.

Part 9- This amendment makes null and void all parts of the existing
Constitution of the United States that are inconsistent with, or in
violation of, the intent and purpose of this amendment.

Part 10-Volume Discounts in any form, or their equivalent, are hereby
declared unconstitutional.

COMPLETE TABLE OF CONTENTS

Ephesians 6:5 is Unconstitutional

Meliorated Slavery

The Illusion of Freedom

The Privatization of Industry Fraud

Capital

Capitalist's profit

The Bond Slavery Money System

Understanding Finance Capital

How Your Friendly Local Banker Prints the Money He Loans to You and to Your
Governments

Free Money

The Financial Exploitation of Labour

T-Accounts at the Fed

The IMF/World Bank Debt/Tax Slavery Money System

The Battle of the Bibles

The Lincoln Conspiracy Theory

Conspiracy: Then  Now

Homestead America Is Unconstitutional

Globalized Slavery

The Struggle for Freedom

The Property Question

The Economics and Finance of Jesus

Lend and Expect Nothing Back: The Luke 6:35 Scenario

The Per Capita Issue of Spendable Bank Reserves

A New Banking System Of the People, By the People, and For the People

The Federal Reserve

How to Finance Government, Business and Industry

Without Exploiting Labour

Tax Free Money Chart

Debt Free  Tax Free Amendment

How to Finance Consumption Without the Exploitation of Labour

The Abolition of the IMF/World Bank

The Transition to an Exploitation Free Economy

Equitable Wealth Distribution

Inherited Capital

People Owned Wealth

The Universal Private Property Society

The 2-K Factor

Demand Financial Justice

Martin Luther and other reformers simply "proclaimed the Mosaic Law dead,
without power to bind..."

Roman Catholic Imprimatur that the Law of Moses has been abolished

Jesus Abolished the Jewish Religion

A Challenge to the Pope

What Purpose, America?

The Need for a Constitutional Convention

What Would You Do?

DoubleThink

The Deuteronomic Double Standard

Jewish-Pariah-Capitalism

Jews are Not a Race - Jews are a Religion

Religious Intolerance

Why Pick on the Jews?

The Great Jubilee Fraud (cancelling debt without abolishing the monopoly of
land and capital is a fraud)

Some Significant Events in History

Do Not Allow Yourselves to Become Slaves Again

The Galatians 5:1 Scenario

I Kings 3:12 is Anti-christ

Concluding Comments

Armageddon and the Titanic

The 2nd Dragon of the Apocalypse and its False Magic

Is Jesus Wrong?

The We The People Fraud

Index

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WHY DID KARL MARX SUPPORT ABRAHAM LINCOLN?

WHY DID KARL MARX SAY RELIGION IS THE OPIATE OF THE PEOPLE?

THE LAW OF MOSES (TORAH/PENTATEUCH) IS NOT THE LAW OF GOD.



JEWS ARE NOT A RACE -  JEWS ARE A RELIGION.

MOST PEOPLE DO NOT THINK OF FINANCE CAPITAL AS A FORM OF SLAVERY WHEN THEY
THINK ABOUT THE MONOPOLY OF CAPITAL NOR DO THEY UNDERSTAND THE RELIGIOUS
BRAINWASHING POWER OF BIBLE (TORAH/PENTATEUCH) AUTHORITY WHICH CLAIMS THAT
SLAVERY, INCLUDING INTEREST, DEBT  TAX SLAVERY, IS GOD ORDAINED.

The NATO push into Eastern Europe and Russia is to keep expanding the
Zionist inspired global IMF/World Bank interest/debt/tax slavery money
system.  If you are concerned about how to solve  the present global
financial nightmare once and for all go to
http://www.freeyellow.com/members6/freedomfrombibleslavelaw/index.html and
to
http://www.geocities.com/WallStreet/Bureau/7486/americabankruptsolution.inde
x.html

If you wish to reply by mail please reply to the author:
Lee Cheney
1415 E. Pecos Dr.
Hobbs, NM 88240-4637

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