Re: [CTRL] Admiral Moorer Clinton Policies Led to Disaster
-Caveat Lector- Bill Howard wrote: > > -Caveat Lector- > > In a message dated 9/13/01 3:47:59 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > > << > tnohava wrote: > > > > > > This is all bullshit. Moorer is CFR military hack. > > > > > > J2 >> > > That does not mean that he is automaticly incorrect. > > BHoward Agreed. But why did they drag him out of mothballs? The media is FLOODED with CFR elites pushing for war. The media is FLOODED with spooks and ex spooks pushing for war. This should be warning enough to be wary. J2 http://www.ctrl.org/";>www.ctrl.org DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion & informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html";>Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED] http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/";>ctrl To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Admiral Moorer Clinton Policies Led to Disaster
-Caveat Lector- tnohava wrote: > > -Caveat Lector- > > Forgot your medication today, huh. I don't take medication. I'm all natural. Moorer is a CFR military hack. They are pulling out all the old warriors to frighten us into a large sustained war. What don't you understand about this? For all the time you've been on this list, i'd think you'd be sharper. Don't you even know who's CFR? J2 > > > -Original Message- > > From: Conspiracy Theory Research List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On > > Behalf Of Nurev Ind. > > Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2001 8:14 AM > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Subject: Re: [CTRL] Admiral Moorer Clinton Policies Led to Disaster > > > > > > -Caveat Lector- > > > > tnohava wrote: > > > > This is all bullshit. Moorer is CFR military hack. > > > > J2 > > > > > > > > http://www.newsmax.com/archives/articles/2001/9/12/121348.shtml > > > > > > Admiral Moorer: Clinton Policies Led to Disaster > > > NewsMax.com > > > Wednesday, September 12, 2001 > > > > > > The catastrophe that struck America was the result of a decade > > of military > > > cuts and the undermining of U.S. intelligence agencies, Admiral > > Thomas H. > > > Moorer told NewsMax.com > > > > > > Admiral Moorer served as chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, > > the nations > > > highest-ranking military official, and brought the Vietnam war to a > > > conclusion. He has served in three major wars. > > > > > > Yesterdays events brought back memories of Pearl Harbor, he > > said. Admiral > > > Moorer, then a naval aviator, was present at Pearl Harbor on December 7, > > > 1941. > > > > > > Admiral Moorer made the following analysis to NewsMax, his quotes are in > > > bold: > > > > > > 1. The Clinton administration had a similar view to > > intelligence agencies as > > > the Carter administration. They didnt like using spies. This > > is why we had > > > no warning. > > > > > > "You absolutely need spies, you need them to melt into a > > society and tell > > > you what is going on, you cant rely on satellites and > > technology alone. > > > > > > 2. The actions taken yesterday were the result of perceived > > weakness of U.S. > > > armed forces. > > > > > > "President Clinton brought the military down and down. He made > > the military > > > like it was before Pearl Harbor. > > > > > > 3. The U.S. must significantly increase its use of human > > intelligence, that > > > is spies on the ground in foreign countries. > > > > > > 4. America must remain vigilant. > > > > > > "This is like what Yamamoto said after Pearl Harbor, A > > sleeping tiger has > > > been aroused. We cant just strike back and go back to sleep. > > Next time the > > > attack could be even more serious. > > > > > > 5. Soon terrorist groups will have access to nuclear weapons. > > > > > > "This is inevitable. Countries like Russia and China are > > providing countries > > > like Pakistan, Iraq and Iran with this technology the same technology > > > Clinton gave to the Chinese. > > > > > > 6. Missile defense is needed now. > > > > > > "The media is dead wrong when it says this proves we dont need missile > > > defense. Soon, the same counties that supported these > > terrorists that just > > > attacked us will have missiles capable of hitting the U.S. We > > need to defend > > > against their use. > > > > > > 7. No additional attacks for the immediate future. > > > > > > I believe they reached the limits of their capabilities with > > these attacks. > > > But they will try again later. They want nuclear weapons. http://www.ctrl.org/";>www.ctrl.org DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion & informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html";>Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED] http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/";>ctrl To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Admiral Moorer Clinton Policies Led to Disaster
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 9/13/01 3:47:59 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: << > tnohava wrote: > > This is all bullshit. Moorer is CFR military hack. > > J2 >> That does not mean that he is automaticly incorrect. BHoward Logicâa means of terrifing liberals (G*d how I love this quote!) http://www.ctrl.org/";>www.ctrl.org DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion & informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html";>Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED] http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/";>ctrl To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Admiral Moorer Clinton Policies Led to Disaster
-Caveat Lector- Forgot your medication today, huh. > -Original Message- > From: Conspiracy Theory Research List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On > Behalf Of Nurev Ind. > Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2001 8:14 AM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: [CTRL] Admiral Moorer Clinton Policies Led to Disaster > > > -Caveat Lector- > > tnohava wrote: > > This is all bullshit. Moorer is CFR military hack. > > J2 > > > > > http://www.newsmax.com/archives/articles/2001/9/12/121348.shtml > > > > Admiral Moorer: Clinton Policies Led to Disaster > > NewsMax.com > > Wednesday, September 12, 2001 > > > > The catastrophe that struck America was the result of a decade > of military > > cuts and the undermining of U.S. intelligence agencies, Admiral > Thomas H. > > Moorer told NewsMax.com > > > > Admiral Moorer served as chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, > the nations > > highest-ranking military official, and brought the Vietnam war to a > > conclusion. He has served in three major wars. > > > > Yesterdays events brought back memories of Pearl Harbor, he > said. Admiral > > Moorer, then a naval aviator, was present at Pearl Harbor on December 7, > > 1941. > > > > Admiral Moorer made the following analysis to NewsMax, his quotes are in > > bold: > > > > 1. The Clinton administration had a similar view to > intelligence agencies as > > the Carter administration. They didnt like using spies. This > is why we had > > no warning. > > > > "You absolutely need spies, you need them to melt into a > society and tell > > you what is going on, you cant rely on satellites and > technology alone. > > > > 2. The actions taken yesterday were the result of perceived > weakness of U.S. > > armed forces. > > > > "President Clinton brought the military down and down. He made > the military > > like it was before Pearl Harbor. > > > > 3. The U.S. must significantly increase its use of human > intelligence, that > > is spies on the ground in foreign countries. > > > > 4. America must remain vigilant. > > > > "This is like what Yamamoto said after Pearl Harbor, A > sleeping tiger has > > been aroused. We cant just strike back and go back to sleep. > Next time the > > attack could be even more serious. > > > > 5. Soon terrorist groups will have access to nuclear weapons. > > > > "This is inevitable. Countries like Russia and China are > providing countries > > like Pakistan, Iraq and Iran with this technology the same technology > > Clinton gave to the Chinese. > > > > 6. Missile defense is needed now. > > > > "The media is dead wrong when it says this proves we dont need missile > > defense. Soon, the same counties that supported these > terrorists that just > > attacked us will have missiles capable of hitting the U.S. We > need to defend > > against their use. > > > > 7. No additional attacks for the immediate future. > > > > I believe they reached the limits of their capabilities with > these attacks. > > But they will try again later. They want nuclear weapons. > > > > > -- > -- > > Name: > Admiral Moorer Clinton Policies Led to Disaster.url > >Admiral Moorer Clinton Policies Led to Disaster.urlType: > Internet Shortcut (application/x-unknown-content-type-InternetShortcut) > > Encoding: 7bit > > http://www.ctrl.org/";>www.ctrl.org > DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER > == > CTRL is a discussion & informational exchange list. Proselytizing > propagandic > screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are > sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- > directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different > groups with > major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time > and thought. > That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and > always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no > credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. > > Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. > > Archives Available at: > http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html > http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.htm
Re: [CTRL] Admiral Moorer Clinton Policies Led to Disaster
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 9/12/01 7:58:51 PM Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: The catastrophe that struck America was the result of a decade of military cuts and the undermining of U.S. intelligence agencies, Admiral Thomas H. Moorer told NewsMax.com The catastrophe was the direct result of US aid to Israel...plain and simple. Bill. = Sorry. This shit don't cut it anymore. It's a different world now. YOU are a sympathizer of the people who did this buddy boy. The Israelis didn't plan and execute the mass murders of US citizens. YOUR PALS DID IT. If it's Bin Laden who is responsible (and I'm not yet convinced that it is) then it's the good ol' CIA-Capitalism's Independent Army who created the Taliban AND Bin Laden to fight the Evil Empire. They did. They won. Now they are after the other evil empire. The corrupt Christian West. The civilization with which Islam has been at war for 1300 years. This is the " Clash of Civilizations " blueprint of the New World Order. Look for our elites and allied elites to be using these buz words. In any case, this is shaping up into a war for Afghanistan. The West is using this case of Arab terrorism as an excuse to demolish another independent country who doesn't wish to be part of the New World Order. In this case for theocratic reasons. Which is different from Yugoslavia, Chile, Greece, Italy, El Salvador, Nicaragua, Vietnam, and Iran. who wanted to exist as either Socialist or just independent countries. Theocratic, Socialist, or anything else, if their economy can't be raped by Corporations or investors, they just gotta go. That's my analysis. It's not my personal feelings. The US Elites have declared war. Without even knowing who the enemy is. This is an historical first. It should tell you that the goal is war, and the target is whatever becomes available while the ' people ' are furious and vengeful. We need to be careful here. We, more than any other groups know the modus operandi of elites when they are looking to motivate their people for war. The government is conditioning the American people for all out war. No worries about little niceties like collateral damage anymore. No hangups about killing the enemy leadership anymore. The people are justifiably pissed and willing to go all the way. These Arab terrorists have become the NWO's best friend. It's still early on, but that's my guess right now. Let's see if I turn out to be right. Joshua2 http://www.ctrl.org/";>www.ctrl.org DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion & informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html";>Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED] http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/";>ctrl To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Admiral Moorer Clinton Policies Led to Disaster
-Caveat Lector- tnohava wrote: This is all bullshit. Moorer is CFR military hack. J2 > > http://www.newsmax.com/archives/articles/2001/9/12/121348.shtml > > Admiral Moorer: Clinton Policies Led to Disaster > NewsMax.com > Wednesday, September 12, 2001 > > The catastrophe that struck America was the result of a decade of military > cuts and the undermining of U.S. intelligence agencies, Admiral Thomas H. > Moorer told NewsMax.com > > Admiral Moorer served as chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, the nations > highest-ranking military official, and brought the Vietnam war to a > conclusion. He has served in three major wars. > > Yesterdays events brought back memories of Pearl Harbor, he said. Admiral > Moorer, then a naval aviator, was present at Pearl Harbor on December 7, > 1941. > > Admiral Moorer made the following analysis to NewsMax, his quotes are in > bold: > > 1. The Clinton administration had a similar view to intelligence agencies as > the Carter administration. They didnt like using spies. This is why we had > no warning. > > "You absolutely need spies, you need them to melt into a society and tell > you what is going on, you cant rely on satellites and technology alone. > > 2. The actions taken yesterday were the result of perceived weakness of U.S. > armed forces. > > "President Clinton brought the military down and down. He made the military > like it was before Pearl Harbor. > > 3. The U.S. must significantly increase its use of human intelligence, that > is spies on the ground in foreign countries. > > 4. America must remain vigilant. > > "This is like what Yamamoto said after Pearl Harbor, A sleeping tiger has > been aroused. We cant just strike back and go back to sleep. Next time the > attack could be even more serious. > > 5. Soon terrorist groups will have access to nuclear weapons. > > "This is inevitable. Countries like Russia and China are providing countries > like Pakistan, Iraq and Iran with this technology the same technology > Clinton gave to the Chinese. > > 6. Missile defense is needed now. > > "The media is dead wrong when it says this proves we dont need missile > defense. Soon, the same counties that supported these terrorists that just > attacked us will have missiles capable of hitting the U.S. We need to defend > against their use. > > 7. No additional attacks for the immediate future. > > I believe they reached the limits of their capabilities with these attacks. > But they will try again later. They want nuclear weapons. > > > Name: Admiral Moorer >Clinton Policies Led to Disaster.url >Admiral Moorer Clinton Policies Led to Disaster.urlType: Internet Shortcut >(application/x-unknown-content-type-InternetShortcut) > Encoding: 7bit http://www.ctrl.org/";>www.ctrl.org DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion & informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html";>Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED] http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/";>ctrl To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Admiral Moorer Clinton Policies Led to Disaster
I wonder if we can all pull together and not point fingers and blame each other. Let's fix what does not work and needs to be updated. So far the politicos have refrained from the blame game and I hope that lasts for we are being closely watched by our enemies. Do not give them the pleasure of in-squabbling. Six months from now if they want to scratch out each others eyes, OK but during this time while we are digging our dead out by hand and bucket brigade we are all for America first. And we have current evacuations under way all over. I am sure the Admiral means well but not NOW! ~Amelia~ - Original Message - From: William Shannon To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2001 9:03 PM Subject: Re: [CTRL] Admiral Moorer Clinton Policies Led to Disaster In a message dated 9/12/01 8:57:10 PM Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I wonder if we could get that Billion Dollars back that Clinton gave Syria to look the other way when we launched air strikes into Iraq, which they then spent on more armament?I'd be content to get the multi-billions back that we've given to Israel over the years and the many more billions they are fully expecting in the future. Bill.
Re: [CTRL] Admiral Moorer Clinton Policies Led to Disaster
In a message dated 9/12/01 8:57:10 PM Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I wonder if we could get that Billion Dollars back that Clinton gave Syria to look the other way when we launched air strikes into Iraq, which they then spent on more armament? I'd be content to get the multi-billions back that we've given to Israel over the years and the many more billions they are fully expecting in the future. Bill.
Re: [CTRL] Admiral Moorer Clinton Policies Led to Disaster
-Caveat Lector- http://www.nationalaviation.org/enshrinee/moorer.html I would have to say Adm. Moorer certainly has more credibility than your opinion. Perhaps you could contact President Bush personally and tell him you have the "Final Answer" for the root cause of Terrorism? I'm sure he would most certainly give one such as yourself audience along with the Cabinet and would without hesitation, weigh your words heavily. I wonder if we could get that Billion Dollars back that Clinton gave Syria to look the other way when we launched air strikes into Iraq, which they then spent on more armament? -Original Message- From: Conspiracy Theory Research List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of William Shannon Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2001 9:07 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [CTRL] Admiral Moorer Clinton Policies Led to Disaster In a message dated 9/12/01 7:58:51 PM Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: The catastrophe that struck America was the result of a decade of military cuts and the undermining of U.S. intelligence agencies, Admiral Thomas H. Moorer told NewsMax.com The catastrophe was the direct result of US aid to Israel...plain and simple. Bill. http://www.ctrl.org/";>www.ctrl.org DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion & informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html";>Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED] http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/";>ctrl To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Admiral Moorer Clinton Policies Led to Disaster
In a message dated 9/12/01 7:58:51 PM Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: The catastrophe that struck America was the result of a decade of military cuts and the undermining of U.S. intelligence agencies, Admiral Thomas H. Moorer told NewsMax.com The catastrophe was the direct result of US aid to Israel...plain and simple. Bill.
[CTRL] Admiral Moorer Clinton Policies Led to Disaster
http://www.newsmax.com/archives/articles/2001/9/12/121348.shtml Admiral Moorer: Clinton Policies Led to Disaster NewsMax.com Wednesday, September 12, 2001 The catastrophe that struck America was the result of a decade of military cuts and the undermining of U.S. intelligence agencies, Admiral Thomas H. Moorer told NewsMax.com Admiral Moorer served as chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, the nations highest-ranking military official, and brought the Vietnam war to a conclusion. He has served in three major wars. Yesterdays events brought back memories of Pearl Harbor, he said. Admiral Moorer, then a naval aviator, was present at Pearl Harbor on December 7, 1941. Admiral Moorer made the following analysis to NewsMax, his quotes are in bold: 1. The Clinton administration had a similar view to intelligence agencies as the Carter administration. They didnt like using spies. This is why we had no warning. "You absolutely need spies, you need them to melt into a society and tell you what is going on, you cant rely on satellites and technology alone. 2. The actions taken yesterday were the result of perceived weakness of U.S. armed forces. "President Clinton brought the military down and down. He made the military like it was before Pearl Harbor. 3. The U.S. must significantly increase its use of human intelligence, that is spies on the ground in foreign countries. 4. America must remain vigilant. "This is like what Yamamoto said after Pearl Harbor, A sleeping tiger has been aroused. We cant just strike back and go back to sleep. Next time the attack could be even more serious. 5. Soon terrorist groups will have access to nuclear weapons. "This is inevitable. Countries like Russia and China are providing countries like Pakistan, Iraq and Iran with this technology the same technology Clinton gave to the Chinese. 6. Missile defense is needed now. "The media is dead wrong when it says this proves we dont need missile defense. Soon, the same counties that supported these terrorists that just attacked us will have missiles capable of hitting the U.S. We need to defend against their use. 7. No additional attacks for the immediate future. I believe they reached the limits of their capabilities with these attacks. But they will try again later. They want nuclear weapons. Admiral Moorer Clinton Policies Led to Disaster.url
