Re: [CTRL] Author of New Testement,Inventor of Jesus...
-Caveat Lector- [EMAIL PROTECTED],Internet writes: Hey Ros...A "Nazi"??? You clearly wouldn't know a Nazi if he buggered you in the shower. I am no Nazi, only a citizen is search of truth...YOU are a narrowminded namecalling fool! Bill. you are on notice. DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] [prj] FW: [CTRL] Author of New Testement,Inventor of Jesus...
-Caveat Lector-
Again these are well proven frauds developed to divide the population along
religious grounds. Religions are used by the conspiracy to divide and
conquer.
Do not let reason shake your faith. God is, because he is; not because of
what people say.
Base your faith upon rock not upon the shifting sands.
Let us please not degenrate the debate unto name-calling and religious
bombastity.
Please understand that the Jewish/German dialectic was one that was 'set-up'
precisely because of the intertwining of the two cultures. If you really
wish to understand and not rely on your personal prejudices. Please read John
Daniels Books, especially the parts about the establishment of various
'jewish' organizations. And Goodrich-Clarke's book on S. Devi {sp?] Hitler's
gal guru. The conspiracy is not jewish, the conspiracy will use any guise
that is useful, There are several cultural bases incorporated into the
conspiracy's structure. Understand it is run as an intel op. Understand in is
multi-generational. Understand that it is neither as big and strong as it
seems. Understand that it operates where its personell are set-up to attack
each other's culture. In other words the 'persons' responsible for the
attacks upon our 'culture' would be from another. Most of the gunman along
Kennedy's route were non-american's, the actual shooters. Notice Skull and
Bones recent international flavorings. The cults don't trust each other and
there are 'observer' status positions. Its a big world. We are all on one
fantastic mud-ball slinging through space, ain't life grand.
The kids are deep into aliens and . . . , it does seem to me that the theme
song is Jesus in the Sky with Aliens. There are to many guns for a frontal
assault, and that is the only thing that has a chance out West. The internet
is continuing to drain away operational assests and make the 'enemy' the
people much more aware. The TV meld is going down the tubes and it is only a
matter of time befor their cover is completely blown and the economic mess
roils.
According to 'plan' the juggernaut should be on the field and people
cowering, but the boys are still in pieces incased in their own egos. Ce le
vie
MHO.
Om
K
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Aloha, He'Ping,
Om, Shalom, Salaam.
Em Hotep, Peace Be,
Omnia Bona Bonis,
All My Relations.
Adieu, Adios, Aloha.
Amen.
Roads End
Kris
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Re: [CTRL] [prj] FW: [CTRL] Author of New Testement,Inventor of Jesus...
-Caveat Lector- - Original Message - From: Kris Millegan [EMAIL PROTECTED] Do not let reason shake your faith. God is, because he is; not because of what people say. Which god? People have invented so many of'em, it's hard to keep track. Ya can't tell yer deities without a program. We shouldn't let reason interfere with faith? Good, then there's no need to hire any theologians, or apologists, or logicians - just preachers, who'll read their favorite version of holy text and tell us exactly what is written, no interpretation or speculation or extrapolation required/allowed/needed. Just follow the rules. DON'T MAKE GRAVEN IMAGES - OK, then burn all the photos paintings sketches related imagery, smash all the cameras [chemical video digital] paintbrushes easels - they're all verboten. I HAVE GIVEN YOU EVERY PLANT YIELDING SEED ON THE FACE OF THE EARTH, AND EVERY TREE WITH SEED IN ITS FRUIT, FOR FOOD - OK, don't eat mushrooms, sushi [wrapped with kelp], ice cream [thickened with moss], truffles, anything else that's non-seed-bearing or sub-surface plant sources - else you're stealing from gawd. WHEN YOU PRAY, GO INTO YOUR ROOM AND SHUT THE DOOR AND PRAY IN SECRET - OK, so shut up when others around - any public prayer is hypocritical, jeezuz sez so. See, it's simple. Just do exactly as I say. DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Author of New Testement,Inventor of Jesus...
-Caveat Lector- Well, doesn't every entry to this list say "Caveat Lector"? Let's not let our egos get in between our sense of humor the DELETE button.. Tenorlove _ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Author of New Testement,Inventor of Jesus...
-Caveat Lector- I concur Jeffrey C Hearon Founder CEO SCIO-LTD http://www.scio-ltd.net http://www.scio-ltd.com http://www.scio-ltd.org - Original Message - From: Tenorlove [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, June 21, 1999 4:13 PM Subject: Re: [CTRL] Author of New Testement,Inventor of Jesus... -Caveat Lector- Well, doesn't every entry to this list say "Caveat Lector"? Let's not let our egos get in between our sense of humor the DELETE button.. Tenorlove _ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substance-not soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Author of New Testement,Inventor of Jesus...
-Caveat Lector- ROMAN PISO FAMILY WROTE THE NEW TESTAMENT, INVENTED "JESUS" "We Jews and Church Leaders have known since the beginning of Christianity that it was synthesized by the Roman Piso family for the purpose of maintaining control over the masses and to placate slaves. And, this is why we Jews are the "Chosen People" and why we have endured so much for so many years; we are witnesses to the lie. Our ancestors wrote what they could about this in our texts." FROM CHAPTER I (The True Authorship of the New Testament) "The New Testament, the Church, and Christianity, were all the creation of the Calpurnius Piso (pronounced Peso w/long "E") family (a), who were Roman aristocrats. The New Testament and all the characters in it -- Jesus, all the Josephs, all the Marys, all the disciples, apostles, Paul, and John the Baptist--are all fictional." "The Pisos created the story and the characters; they tied the story into a specific time and place in history; and they connected it with some peripheral actual people, such as the Herods, Gamaliel, the Roman procurators, etc. But Jesus and everyone involved with him were created (that is, fictional!) characters." "In the middle of the first century of our present era, Rome's aristocracy felt itself confronted with a growing problem. The Jewish religion was continuing to grow in numbers, adding ever more proselytes. Jews numbered more than 8,000,000, and were 10% of the population of the empire and 20% of that portion living east of Rome. (b) Approximately half or more of the Jews lived outside Palestine, of which many were descended from proselytes, male and female." (c) "However, Judaism's ethics and morality were incompatible with the hallowed Roman institution of slavery on which the aristocracy fed, lived and ruled. They feared that Judaism would become the chief religion of the empire. The Roman author, Annaeus Seneca, tutor and confidant of Emperor Nero, suggested in a letter to his friend Lucilius (a pseudonym of Lucius Piso) that lighting candles on Sabbaths be prohibited. (d) Seneca is later quoted by St. Augustine in his City of God (e) (although the quotation does not exist in Seneca's extant writings) as charging that: "the (Sabbath) customs of that most accursed nation have gained such strength that they have been now received in all lands, the conquered have given laws to the conqueror."" "The family headed by Seneca's friend, Lucius Piso, was confronted with an allied problem more personal to it. They were the Calpurnius Pisos, who were descended from statesmen and consuls, and from great poets and historians as well. Gaius and Lucius Calpurnius Piso, leaders of the family, had both married Arria the Younger (from her grandfather's name, Aristobulus). This made Gaius and Lucius Piso's wife the great-granddaughter of Herod the Great." "Repeatedly, religious-minded Judaean zealots were staging insurrections against the Herodian rulers of Judaea who were Piso's wife's relations. Piso wished to strengthen his wife's family's control of the Judaeans. The Pisos searched for a solution to the two problems. They found it in the Jewish holy books, which were the foundation both for the rapid spread of the religion and for the zealot's refusal to be governed by Rome's puppets. The Pisos mocked, but marveled at, the Jewish belief in their holy books. Therefore, they felt a new "Jewish" book would be the ideal method to pacify the Judaeans and strengthen their in-laws' control of the country." "About the year, 60 A.D. (C.E.), Lucius Calpurnius Piso composed Ur Marcus, the first version of the Gospel of Mark, which no longer exists. He was encouraged by his friend Seneca (f) and assisted by his wife's kinsman, young Persius the Poet. Nero's mistress (later his wife) Poppea was pro-Jewish, and Nero opposed the plan. The result was the Pisonian conspiracy to assassinate Nero, detailed in the historian Tacitus. But this attempt failed when he aborted the plot. Instead, Nero had Piso and Seneca and their fellow conspirators executed by forcing them to commit suicide." "He exiled Piso's young son Arrius (spelled "Arius" herein), who appears in Tacitus under several names, including "Antonius Natalis." (g) Nero sent young Piso to Syria as governor. That post also gave him command of the legions controlling Judaea. His own "history" records his service in Judaea in the year 65 under the name of Gessius Florus, and in 66 with the pseudonym Cestius Gallus." "This Arius Calpurnius Piso deliberately provoked the Jewish revolt in 66 so he could destroy the Temple in Jerusalem (h)--for the Jews were unwilling to accept his father's story and thereby become pacified by it as it was intended. However, his 12th legion was caught by the zealots in the Pass of Beth Horon and almost lost. Nero's reaction was to exile him instead to Pannonia, to command a legion there; and to send Licinius Mucianus to serve in Syria, and Vespasian to Judaea to put down the Jewish
Re: [CTRL] Author of New Testement,Inventor of Jesus...
-Caveat Lector- More Nazism disguised as 'scholarship'. "The Jews are chosen people because they are party to this lie". Why are nazis allowed on this list even when the guidelines tell them to get lost? William Shannon wrote: -Caveat Lector- ROMAN PISO FAMILY WROTE THE NEW TESTAMENT, INVENTED "JESUS" "We Jews and Church Leaders have known since the beginning of Christianity that it was synthesized by the Roman Piso family for the purpose of maintaining control over the masses and to placate slaves. And, this is why we Jews are the "Chosen People" and why we have endured so much for so many years; we are witnesses to the lie. Our ancestors wrote what they could about this in our texts." DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Author of New Testement,Inventor of Jesus...
-Caveat Lector- Dear Ros: This is still suppose to be "America." Free speech, you know. In any event, Mr. Shannon is incorrect. Historical evidence [extrabiblical, secular] of a man named "Jesus" is overwhelming, along with His life and death - even His RESURRECTION! The only real point of debate left is the question of his divinity - which most Jews still deny. That belief is strictly a personal one - between God and the individual. Have you noticed, though, that the Liberals don't bother with FACTS -their only defense seems to be sarcasm and hate? They remind me very much of kids and bar drunks: they don't have enough education to marshall a good argument, so they cuss LOUDLY. Volume, I guess, is suppose to drown out or shut up their opponents. Oh, well. Hang in there! You can beat them with logic and patience.They don't know how to deal with it! Love God Bless! The OUTLAWLADY Ros Calverley wrote: -Caveat Lector- More Nazism disguised as 'scholarship'. "The Jews are chosen people because they are party to this lie". Why are nazis allowed on this list even when the guidelines tell them to get lost? William Shannon wrote: -Caveat Lector- ROMAN PISO FAMILY WROTE THE NEW TESTAMENT, INVENTED "JESUS" "We Jews and Church Leaders have known since the beginning of Christianity that it was synthesized by the Roman Piso family for the purpose of maintaining control over the masses and to placate slaves. And, this is why we Jews are the "Chosen People" and why we have endured so much for so many years; we are witnesses to the lie. Our ancestors wrote what they could about this in our texts." DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om -- Michael the Outlawlady The Joshua Files http://members.spree.com/education/2302410/ DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Author of New Testement,Inventor of Jesus...
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 6/20/99 4:37:43 PM Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Ros Calverley wrote: -Caveat Lector- More Nazism disguised as 'scholarship'. "The Jews are chosen people because they are party to this lie". Why are nazis allowed on this list even when the guidelines tell them to get lost? Hey Ros...A "Nazi"??? You clearly wouldn't know a Nazi if he buggered you in the shower. I am no Nazi, only a citizen is search of truth...YOU are a narrowminded namecalling fool! Bill. DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Author of New Testement,Inventor of Jesus...
-Caveat Lector- ...And to the "Outlawlady"...I am not a Jew, I only pass on interesting information from many sources. I thought this was interesting. Bill. DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Author of New Testement,Inventor of Jesus...
-Caveat Lector- Dear Bill, So do I. I did not call YOU a "Jew." I have no idea what you are. I was writing to a critic of yours. Is being called a "jew" worse than being called a "Nazi"??? I hadn't heard that before, except in articles about Nazi Germany? I am simply commenting that the Jews do not recognize Jesus' divinity [except for Christian Jews]. As I said, each individual is free to decide the question of Jesus' divinity for himself. My point is wherever the original comment came from about Jesus' "invention," that is not historically accurate. There is too much HARD evidence that He was REAL. I hope you understood better this time. If you wanted to take offence at something, it should have been the comment about "Liberals!" Nevertheless, as always... Love Godspeed! The OUTLAWLADY William Shannon wrote: -Caveat Lector- ...And to the "Outlawlady"...I am not a Jew, I only pass on interesting information from many sources. I thought this was interesting. Bill. DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om -- Michael the Outlawlady The Joshua Files http://members.spree.com/education/2302410/ DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
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-Caveat Lector- Well Outlawlady..."liberal" is only a dirty word to those panty-waist fairies that let it upset them, I don't care what you call me...humanist/socialist/realist works too! No, I didn't mean to imply that Jew and Nazi are equal...that's an error in translation. Bill. DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Author of New Testement,Inventor of Jesus...
-Caveat Lector- Ha!Ha!Ha! PERFECT, Eagle! Keep soaring, Friend, but be careful around Air Force I. I notice he's got a lot of KILLS painted on his nose! Love Godspeed! The OUTLAWLADY Eagle 1 wrote: -Caveat Lector- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Have you noticed, though, that the Liberals don't bother with FACTS -their only defense seems to be sarcasm and hate? They remind me very much of kids and bar drunks: they don't have enough education to marshall a good argument, so they cuss LOUDLY I've certainly noticed it, Outlawlady! I've also noticed that they like to side track and nit-pick an immaterial item of any discussion, getting everyone off the original subject matter; subverting the truth and drawing in immaterial to the issue facts with falsehoods. Their arguments are shallow at best. PROOF in the form of truth on the original subject is rarely given, and marks them for what they are. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to see through that kind of confusion... wait... I may have to withdraw the bit that it doesn't take a rocket scientist to see through ... come to think of it, Anymore it just might take a very educated person to see through their smoke and mirrors. Perhaps "It takes a President" to show us what things have come to... pure confusion in high places. eagle 1 - Original Message - From: M Shrum [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, June 20, 1999 4:37 PM Subject: Re: [CTRL] Author of New Testement,Inventor of Jesus... -Caveat Lector- Dear Ros: This is still suppose to be "America." Free speech, you know. In any event, Mr. Shannon is incorrect. Historical evidence [extrabiblical, secular] of a man named "Jesus" is overwhelming, along with His life and death - even His RESURRECTION! The only real point of debate left is the question of his divinity - which most Jews still deny. That belief is strictly a personal one - between God and the individual. Have you noticed, though, that the Liberals don't bother with FACTS -their only defense seems to be sarcasm and hate? They remind me very much of kids and bar drunks: they don't have enough education to marshall a good argument, so they cuss LOUDLY. Volume, I guess, is suppose to drown out or shut up their opponents. Oh, well. Hang in there! You can beat them with logic and patience.They don't know how to deal with it! Love God Bless! The OUTLAWLADY Ros Calverley wrote: -Caveat Lector- More Nazism disguised as 'scholarship'. "The Jews are chosen people because they are party to this lie". Why are nazis allowed on this list even when the guidelines tell them to get lost? William Shannon wrote: -Caveat Lector- ROMAN PISO FAMILY WROTE THE NEW TESTAMENT, INVENTED "JESUS" "We Jews and Church Leaders have known since the beginning of Christianity that it was synthesized by the Roman Piso family for the purpose of maintaining control over the masses and to placate slaves. And, this is why we Jews are the "Chosen People" and why we have endured so much for so many years; we are witnesses to the lie. Our ancestors wrote what they could about this in our texts." DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substance-not soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om -- Michael the Outlawlady The Joshua Files http://members.spree.com/education/2302410/ DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed.
Re: [CTRL] Author of New Testement,Inventor of Jesus...
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 6/20/99 6:24:24 PM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I am simply commenting that the Jews do not recognize Jesus' divinity [except for Christian Jews]. As I said, each individual is free to decide the question of Jesus' divinity for himself. My point is wherever the original comment came from about Jesus' "invention," that is not historically accurate. There is too much HARD evidence that He was REAL. I hope you understood better this time. If you wanted to take offence at something, it should have been the comment about "Liberals!" Nevertheless, as always... Love Godspeed! The OUTLAWLADY The facts are that there is little "hard" evidence that a person named Jesus ever lived. There may be some historical evidence, which is subjective and unproveable, that he lived, but there is none to support the contention that he was THE son of God or that he rose from the dead. The only source for these ideas is in the Bible which as anyone would readily admit is biased. NOW, having said that, you are absolutely correct in observing that this issue of deity and godhood is one which is a matter of faith and belief which is between the individual and God. That is unassailable in any relevant way. BTW I don't NECESSARILY discount that Jesus lived, or that he died or even that he rose from the dead, BUT we must all face the facts that there is scant "hard" evidence to support such conjectures. The story outlined, that you are commenting about has as much historical "truth" as anything in the New Testament, so who is to say which history is true and which is not? We must always be willing to see every option and accept when our position is weak, in a concrete way. THUS, for someone to believe that Jesus is Lord and the Son of God, and have faith in him is all well and good, but it cannot be based upon the historical FACT of the New Testament which is just a bunch of stories (however true they may be is something that we cannot PROVE). Therefore issues of faith and belief are not the issue since you, and I, and anyone else is free to believe anything they want no matter if it is irrational, or even stupid, or foolhardy. The issue is that stating that ones position relies upon proven historical FACT, verifiable proof, from and unbiased source and documentable in several ways, when in fact that "proof" is not so proven as one makes out, is not an intellectually hones way to proceed. Just MO. Teo1000 DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] [prj] FW: [CTRL] Author of New Testement,Inventor of Jesus...
-Caveat Lector- -- From: "Peter L. Sroufe" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [CTRL] [prj] FW: [CTRL] Author of New Testement,Inventor of Jesus... Date: Sun, Jun 20, 1999, 10:32 PM Now, Noble Sovereign, these are the facts concerning Jesus of Nazareth and I have taken the time to write you in detail concerning these matters. I say that such a man who could convert water into win, change death into life, disease into health; calm the stormy seas, is not guilty of any criminal offense and as others have said, we must agree -- truly this is the Son of God! Your most obedient servant, Pontius Pilate Yea, right. Pilate writes to Casaer telling him there is a man that is far superior to him. Doesn't sound like good politics to me. Yet, the same guy condemns him to death shortly afterwards. Sounds like a poor forgery to me. Howard Davis DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
