Re: [CTRL] Democrat Implies Sept. 11 Administration Plot

2002-04-16 Thread Samantha L.

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In a message dated 4/16/02 6:37:07 AM Central Daylight Time,
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> Maybe the paramedics hospitals  and firemen in NY were in on the
>  "conspiracy" also. Look at all the extra work they got...

  There's a reason why firefighters and paramedics top the list of the most
admired professionals in the country.  There's a reason why politicians are
at the bottom of the list.  These firefighters and paramedics were murdered.

>  Nothing better to do than throw more money at an "Investigative committee"
>
>  They were really effective at Oaklahoma, and how about JFK...

  True that any real investigation would be frustrated if there were inside
aspects to the crime.  And if a genuine investigation does not take place, it
is reasonable to ask why.  Better that we drop the whole thing?  Much was
learned by watching the 'powers that be' obfuscate the investigations you
mentioned.  I suppose you'd prefer we saved that investigative money and
spend it on something more important.  Yeah, let's channel that saved money
to DARE.

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Re: [CTRL] Democrat Implies Sept. 11 Administration Plot

2002-04-16 Thread Ed Raymond

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Maybe the paramedics hospitals  and firemen in NY were in on the
"conspiracy" also. Look at all the extra work they got...

Nothing better to do than throw more money at an "Investigative committee"

They were really effective at Oaklahoma, and how about JFK...


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>
>Yeah McKinney
>
>http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A34565-2002Apr11.html
>
>By Juliet Eilperin
>Washington Post Staff Writer
>Friday, April 12, 2002; Page A16
>
>excerpt
>
>Rep. Cynthia McKinney (D-Ga.) is calling for an investigation into whether
>President Bush and other government officials had advance notice of terrorist
>attacks on Sept. 11 but did nothing to prevent them. She added that "persons
>close to this administration are poised to make huge profits off America's
>new war."
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Re: [CTRL] Democrat Implies Sept. 11 Administration Plot

2002-04-13 Thread Samantha L.

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> "Evidence is the bane of the conspiracy theorist."   If they had any
>  evidence, they could be testifying before congress--assuming that congress
>  wasn't "in on the cover-up."  :-)

  Definitely a naive assessment.  Plenty of evidence in the JFK
assassination, for example.  It never goes anywhere because the media and
even the House Assassination Committee worked hard to make sure it never got
off the ground.  Even so the HASC concluded it was probably the result of a
conspiracy.  Evidence is not the bane of the conspiracy theorist at all.
There's simply too much institutional control for the evidence to see the
light of day.

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Re: [CTRL] Democrat Implies Sept. 11 Administration Plot

2002-04-13 Thread Edward Britton

why do you say that?
is it because he's not a right-winger?

More likely, it's because I don't accept fairy tales without
proof.

 it'd be just as
easy for someone to accuse you of being a disinformation agent,
sir.

Not to mention that Steve and I have agreed on more than a few
occasions.  If I'm a government plant, *he's* a government plant
:-)

 i mean, perhaps
you're trying to distract us from realizing the truth in what Mr Britton
is trying to say!

ROFL!

with the internet,
anything's possible... but with this list, you have three clear choices:
a) trust no one, b) trust everyone, or c) take everything with a grain of
salt and trust who you deem trustworthy.

Or D), do your own research and validate the facts for yourself
:-)
 
 however, you
can't in any fairness accuse anyone of being a psyops agent without some
evidence that is more significant than a few posts that you personally
disagree with.

"Evidence is the bane of the conspiracy theorist."  
If they had any evidence, they could be testifying before
congress--assuming that congress wasn't "in on the
cover-up."  :-)

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Re: [CTRL] Democrat Implies Sept. 11 Administration Plot

2002-04-13 Thread Edward Britton

Steve:

> however, you can't in
any
> fairness accuse anyone of being a psyops agent without some evidence
that is
> more significant than a few posts that you personally disagree
with.
He was making highly illogical and contradictory points like saying
that
everyone knew there was prior knowledge of 911 but that there was no
coverup,
and then claiming that most everyone knew
that.

Uh, Steve, do you read what you write?  Do you read what anyone else
writes?  How is any point I've made on this subject
"illogical"?  Either the information was and is readily
available for anyone who looks for it (no cover-up), or there is no
available information (the *potential* for a cover-up).  Those are
the only two alternatives.

If there's any conspiracy here, such is implied only by the "ruling
elites' " reliance on the endless capacity of us peons not to pay
attention.

 I guess maybe he
is just
having a bad brain day,

I guess you are one of the many peons not paying attention :-)

 but I am
suspicious because I have seen this type of
reasoning being used again and again to distract and diffuse serious
inquiry.

What inquiry?  Where's the evidence  that George Bush
or his administration specifically  had prior
knowledge of the 9-11 attacks?   If you, Laura or that wombat
Cynthia McKinney have such evidence, let's see it.

Excuse me if I am too
suspicious, but I have good reason to be suspicious,
don't we all?!!

It's those mind control rays bouncing around inside your head, isn't it
Steve? Maybe it's those chemtrails:-)

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Re: [CTRL] Democrat Implies Sept. 11 Administration Plot

2002-04-12 Thread Steve Wingate

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On 12 Apr 2002 at 20:29, The Public Image wrote:

> however, you can't in any
> fairness accuse anyone of being a psyops agent without some evidence that is
> more significant than a few posts that you personally disagree with.

He was making highly illogical and contradictory points like saying that
everyone knew there was prior knowledge of 911 but that there was no coverup,
and then claiming that most everyone knew that. I guess maybe he is just
having a bad brain day, but I am suspicious because I have seen this type of
reasoning being used again and again to distract and diffuse serious inquiry.

Excuse me if I am too suspicious, but I have good reason to be suspicious,
don't we all?!!

Steve


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Re: [CTRL] Democrat Implies Sept. 11 Administration Plot

2002-04-12 Thread The Public Image
 why do you say that? is it because he's not a right-winger? it'd be just as easy for someone to accuse you of being a disinformation agent, sir. i mean, perhaps you're trying to distract us from realizing the truth in what Mr Britton is trying to say!
with the internet, anything's possible... but with this list, you have three clear choices: a) trust no one, b) trust everyone, or c) take everything with a grain of salt and trust who you deem trustworthy. however, you can't in any fairness accuse anyone of being a psyops agent without some evidence that is more significant than a few posts that you personally disagree with.
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Re: [CTRL] Democrat Implies Sept. 11 Administration Plot

2002-04-12 Thread Steve Wingate

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Mr. Edward Britton may be a psyop agent trying to distract people on this
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Re: [CTRL] Democrat Implies Sept. 11 Administration Plot

2002-04-12 Thread William Shannon
In a message dated 4/12/02 12:36:44 PM Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:


She has offered NO evidence to justify her accusation that George Bush or his administration--specifically--knew about terrorist plans to attack America before
9-11.  That does not mean the evidence is not there, it means that she is unaware of it.  She, like other plot-sniffing fruit pies, is crazy.

It's clear that you simply dislike, or despise her. Is it because she's a Democrat or is it because she's black? There is no other possible explaination, none.

Bill.


Re: [CTRL] Democrat Implies Sept. 11 Administration Plot

2002-04-12 Thread Samantha L.

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> Have you sniffed my butt-crack today? :-)>
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>  Edward   ><+>

  I can smell it from here.  You need to change your diet.

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Re: [CTRL] Democrat Implies Sept. 11 Administration Plot

2002-04-12 Thread Edward Britton

Bill:

As
for her "revelation" that the government had prior knowledge of
plans for the 9-11 attacks, that's common knowledge best falling under
the rubric of "no kidding."

Here you suggest a cover-up.

No, "here" I note the FACT that such knowledge was PLAINLY
extant AND evident both prior to and after the 9-11 attacks.  There
is and was NO "cover up."  The information is there for
anyone who chooses to read it or otherwise pay attention to the actions
of the U.S. government within the context of world events.


<>
Here you admit that even the hayseeds know of
it...

No, "here" I "admit" that everyone on the planet
knows about it--everyone except, maybe, those who see conspiring boogie
men under every rock  :-)

<>
And here you mock the idea.

She has offered NO evidence to justify her accusation that George Bush or
his administration--specifically--knew about terrorist plans to attack
America before
9-11.  That does not mean the evidence is not there, it means that
she is unaware of it.  She, like other plot-sniffing fruit pies, is
crazy.

Have
you taken your lithium today?
Bill.
Have you sniffed my butt-crack today? :-)


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Re: [CTRL] Democrat Implies Sept. 11 Administration Plot

2002-04-12 Thread Bill Howard

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In a message dated 4/12/02 8:34:42 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

<< Cynthia McKinney is crazy as a shit house rat!   I should know; she's from
my district. >>

Amen to that.

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Re: [CTRL] Democrat Implies Sept. 11 Administration Plot

2002-04-12 Thread Dale Stonehouse



-Original Message-From: William
Shannon [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]Sent: Friday, April 12, 2002 11:50
AMTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: Re: [CTRL] Democrat
Implies Sept. 11 Administration PlotGee, in places like Iraq I'm sure we do seem like the "great
satan"...after we bombed the shit out of them and then embargo them causing the
deaths of too many to count "satan" probably seems like a compassionate
figure!And we support Israel too, allowing them access to our finest
weaponry and obscene amounts of cash...hmmm, I can see the reason for the
hyperbolic nickname.Bill.  

   
  I don't
  disagree with that particular characterization but try to point out that
  no specific narrow view is entirely accurate.
   
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Re: [CTRL] Democrat Implies Sept. 11 Administration Plot

2002-04-12 Thread William Shannon
In a message dated 4/12/02 11:41:55 AM Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:


It is also common knowledge in Arab and other Muslim countries that the USA
is the "Great Satan." 

Gee, in places like Iraq I'm sure we do seem like the "great satan"...after we bombed the shit out of them and then embargo them causing the deaths of too many to count "satan" probably seems like a compassionate figure!
And we support Israel too, allowing them access to our finest weaponry and obscene amounts of cash...hmmm, I can see the reason for the hyperbolic nickname.

Bill.


Re: [CTRL] Democrat Implies Sept. 11 Administration Plot

2002-04-12 Thread Dale Stonehouse

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>it's "common knowledge" that the government had prior knowledge

It is also common knowledge in Arab and other Muslim countries that the USA
is the "Great Satan." I guess common knowledge doesn't hold much water - it
could be better described as "common belief" or perhaps "common propaganda."

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Re: [CTRL] Democrat Implies Sept. 11 Administration Plot

2002-04-12 Thread William Shannon
In a message dated 4/12/02 11:21:47 AM Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:


As for her "revelation" that the government had prior knowledge of plans for the 9-11 attacks, that's common knowledge best falling under the rubric of "no kidding."

Here you suggest a cover-up.

<>

Here you admit that even the hayseeds know of it...


<>

And here you mock the idea.

Have you taken your lithium today?

Bill.



Re: [CTRL] Democrat Implies Sept. 11 Administration Plot

2002-04-12 Thread Edward Britton

Bill:

As
for her "revelation" that the government had prior knowledge of
plans for the 9-11 attacks, that's common knowledge best falling under
the rubric of "no kidding."

It's the fact that she is calling for an investigation that is the news
here,

That Cynthia McKinney is crazy is no news to those who know her
:-)

 she
wasn't making a "revelation"...no shit that it's "common
knowledge" that the government had prior knowledge (though I'm
surprised that such sophisticated analysis has filtered down to
Georgia).

Such knowledge has "filtered its way" to anyone on the planet
who's been paying attention to national and world events over the last
twenty five years.  Yes, that would include those living in Georgia.
:-)

Let's
hope her call goes answered and we get a REAL
investigation.

An investigation of such nature and magnitude usually requires enough
evidence to warrant the expenditure.  She has NO evidence.



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Re: [CTRL] Democrat Implies Sept. 11 Administration Plot

2002-04-12 Thread Edward Britton

Laura:

>Cynthia McKinney is crazy as a
shit house rat!   I should know; she's from
>my district.
> As for her "revelation" that the government had prior
knowledge of plans
>  for the 9-11 attacks, that's common knowledge best falling
under the rubric
>  of "no kidding."
  Why do you say she's crazy?

Uh, because she is?  One who is not in contact with reality is crazy
by definition.  Even she has admitted that she HAS NO EVIDENCE of
her claim, yet she suggests a congressional investigation nonetheless
(neatly avoiding any potential complicity within/of the FORMER
administration).

  Because she
recognizes conspiracies when she
sees them?

Because she is a leftist fruit pie who panders to the fears of the simple
minded.

  You who are on
a conspiracy theory research list?

I have made no secret of my fondness for collecting conspiracy
theories.  That does NOT mean that I believe every piece of claptrap
that finds its way onto my computer :-)

  And if it's
such common knowledge why is it a major EVENT that an
allegation like that even makes it into a mainstream news
article?

The media is well aware of McKinney's penchant for taking leave of her
senses.  Here in Atlanta, she is referred to as "the aisle
kitten."

  If you
don't understand how rare and important it is that these words were
even
printed by the Wash Post, you don't have your finger on the pulse of
America.

ROFL!  I try to keep my "finger" on the "pulse"
of reality.  :-)


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Re: [CTRL] Democrat Implies Sept. 11 Administration Plot

2002-04-12 Thread Edward Britton

Cynthia McKinney is crazy as a shit house rat!   I
should know; she's from my district.
She's also the one who makes an idiot out of herself every time the
president speaks before congress.  At the last State of the Union
address, she prodded and fondled the president of the United States as if
he'd been a stuffed toy.
As for her "revelation" that the government had prior knowledge
of plans for the 9-11 attacks, that's common knowledge best falling under
the rubric of "no kidding."

At 10:27 AM 4/12/2002 -0400, you wrote:
-Caveat Lector-
In a message dated 4/12/02 9:24:42 AM Central Daylight Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
> She is awesome, and brave.
>  I applaud her!
>
>  Bill.
  I sure wish others on the Hill had her balls!
Laura (aka Samantha)

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Re: [CTRL] Democrat Implies Sept. 11 Administration Plot

2002-04-12 Thread Samantha L.

-Caveat Lector-

In a message dated 4/12/02 10:17:15 AM Central Daylight Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

>Cynthia McKinney is crazy as a shit house rat!   I should know; she's from
>my district.

> As for her "revelation" that the government had prior knowledge of plans
>  for the 9-11 attacks, that's common knowledge best falling under the rubric
>  of "no kidding."

  Why do you say she's crazy?  Because she recognizes conspiracies when she
sees them?  You who are on a conspiracy theory research list?

  And if it's such common knowledge why is it a major EVENT that an
allegation like that even makes it into a mainstream news article?  If you
don't understand how rare and important it is that these words were even
printed by the Wash Post, you don't have your finger on the pulse of America.

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Re: [CTRL] Democrat Implies Sept. 11 Administration Plot

2002-04-12 Thread William Shannon
In a message dated 4/12/02 10:17:15 AM Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:


As for her "revelation" that the government had prior knowledge of plans for the 9-11 attacks, that's common knowledge best falling under the rubric of "no kidding."

It's the fact that she is calling for an investigation that is the news here, she wasn't making a "revelation"...no shit that it's "common knowledge" that the government had prior knowledge (though I'm surprised that such sophisticated analysis has filtered down to Georgia). 
Let's hope her call goes answered and we get a REAL investigation.

Bill. 


Re: [CTRL] Democrat Implies Sept. 11 Administration Plot

2002-04-12 Thread Edward Britton

Cynthia McKinney is crazy as a shit house rat!   I
should know; she's from my district.
She's also the one who makes an idiot out of herself every time the
president speaks before congress.  At the last State of the Union
address, she prodded and fondled the president of the United States as if
he'd been a stuffed toy.
As for her "revelation" that the government had prior knowledge
of plans for the 9-11 attacks, that's common knowledge best falling under
the rubric of "no kidding."

At 10:27 AM 4/12/2002 -0400, you wrote:
-Caveat Lector-
In a message dated 4/12/02 9:24:42 AM Central Daylight Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
> She is awesome, and brave.
>  I applaud her!
>
>  Bill.
  I sure wish others on the Hill had her balls!
Laura (aka Samantha)

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Re: [CTRL] Democrat Implies Sept. 11 Administration Plot

2002-04-12 Thread William Shannon
In a message dated 4/12/02 9:27:47 AM Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:


  I sure wish others on the Hill had her balls!

There are a FEW, but not enough.

Bill.


Re: [CTRL] Democrat Implies Sept. 11 Administration Plot

2002-04-12 Thread Samantha L.

-Caveat Lector-

In a message dated 4/12/02 9:24:42 AM Central Daylight Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

> She is awesome, and brave.
>  I applaud her!
>
>  Bill.

  I sure wish others on the Hill had her balls!

Laura (aka Samantha)

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Re: [CTRL] Democrat Implies Sept. 11 Administration Plot

2002-04-12 Thread William Shannon
In a message dated 4/12/02 9:22:51 AM Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:


Rep. Cynthia McKinney (D-Ga.) is calling for an investigation into whether
President Bush and other government officials had advance notice of terrorist
attacks on Sept. 11 but did nothing to prevent them. She added that "persons
close to this administration are poised to make huge profits off America's
new war."

She is awesome, and brave.
I applaud her!

Bill.


[CTRL] Democrat Implies Sept. 11 Administration Plot

2002-04-12 Thread Samantha L.

-Caveat Lector-

Yeah McKinney

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A34565-2002Apr11.html

By Juliet Eilperin
Washington Post Staff Writer
Friday, April 12, 2002; Page A16

excerpt

Rep. Cynthia McKinney (D-Ga.) is calling for an investigation into whether
President Bush and other government officials had advance notice of terrorist
attacks on Sept. 11 but did nothing to prevent them. She added that "persons
close to this administration are poised to make huge profits off America's
new war."

continued

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