Re: [CTRL] From Bad to Worse

[John Szocik]

I realize thisis a late response, however I feel this has to be said.
I agree 100% that it does not matter which of the main 2 get elected. The
"inner circle" will run the country no matter who's in office.
This being said; I feel the only option left for the voters of this country
is to vote for the "other" candidates as a form of protest, as well as
sending a message to the "powers that be!"
Most sincerely,
JOHN

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Re: [CTRL] From Bad to Worse

[Eagle 1]

Why should I believe any of them?

good question,  nessie!

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 [EMAIL PROTECTED],Internet writes:
 
 The Master Plan IS the bible



 Jews say it is the Torah. Muslims say it is the Koran. Hindus say it is
 the Bahgavagita. Buddhists say it is the Pali Sutras. Biologists say it is
 Origin of Species. Communists say it is Das Kapital.

 They can't all be right. Why should I believe any of them?





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Re: [CTRL] From Bad to Worse | Is light a wave or a particle?

[Devon Null]

At 22:32 08/06/2000 -0700, nessie wrote:
[EMAIL PROTECTED],Internet writes:
 There can only be one version of the truth.
Is light a wave or a particle?


Yes.



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Re: [CTRL] From Bad to Worse

[Tenorlove]

--- Mike Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 I would however suggest
 people be prepared for their inevitable defeat.

Defeat is a choice. I do not choose defeat. 2 books I HIGHLY recommend:


Thomas, Marian. "A New Attitude: Achieving Personal and Professional
Success by Keeping a Positive Mental Outlook." ISBN 1-56414-358-9. This
discusses how to make your attitude work FOR you, not against you.

Gilewicz, Alicia. "Frozen Footprints: Lessons in Freedom from a
Survivor of the Siberian Slave-Labor Camps." ISBN 0-9632667-8-0. Mrs.
Gilewicz not only survived, she and her husband, Hank, went on to
become successful in both business and life.

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Kick off your party with Yahoo! Invites.
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Re: [CTRL] From Bad to Worse

[Kelly]

nessie wrote:

 [EMAIL PROTECTED],Internet writes:
  There can only be one version of the truth.


Not to be picky, but I didn't write that!  Oscar did.

 Is light a wave or a particle?

In a holographic universe, it depends on perception.

Kelly

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Re: [CTRL] From Bad to Worse | Is light a wave or a particle?

[Mark McHugh]

Devon Null wrote:

 At 22:32 08/06/2000 -0700, nessie wrote:
 [EMAIL PROTECTED],Internet writes:
  There can only be one version of the truth.
 Is light a wave or a particle?
 

 Yes.

 Best regards.

 Devon Null
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Thanks, Dev, for my moment of Zen for today!


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Re: [CTRL] From Bad to Worse

[Mike Smith]

Pardon me for me inserting my two bits of opinion
on an american election from a non-american stand point.

I really don't think it matters who gets voted in. The end result will be
the same
although one president might make it more expedient than the other. The end
result WILL BE
the same.


...now to digress

I realize that there are Christians, theists of various beliefs and atheists
on this list.
I mean to offend nobody. However, I simply cannot seem to escape the fact
that so
much of circumstance around us in the world today regarding a new world
order
(more aptly termed one world governance) seems to mirror biblical prophesy
in the book of revelations.

I keep reading posts to the effect of "fight and save America while we still
can".
Look people, that's NOT gonna happen. Not in your lifetime nor mine.
I suppose one could even say it's preordained or prophesied. I am sorry
to rain on your 4th of July parade, but there will be no saving of America
no matter how many guns you have stashed.

God's word will prevail.

Mike Smith 


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From: "Alamaine" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Saturday, August 05, 2000 2:35 PM
Subject: [CTRL] From Bad to Worse


 From
 http://www.newsmax.com/commentmax/articles/Diane_Alden.shtml

 }}Begin
 CommentMax
 Republicans Are Bad, but Democrats Are Worse
 Diane Alden
 August 4, 2000

 The reason I will vote for Republicans this fall is because the
alternative is
 not only worse, it is dangerous. Perhaps that is not a principled Stand,
but it
 is the best I can do. Since the country cannot survive four years of Al
Gore
 and the consequences he would bring down on American heads with his
statist-
 collectivist agenda, there is not much choice. You can vote for Ralph
Nader or
 Pat Buchanan or Harry Browne, but realistically none of them has a chance.

 If Al Gore were elected because of a split vote, the divisiveness of
extreme
 leftist-collectivist Big Brotherism would kill America. This country is so
 polarized now that it will take a gifted leader or leaders to put it back
 together again.

 There is no doubt in my mind that if Gore gets in and the Democrats take
over
 one or both houses of Congress, the Republic, what is left of it, will be
 finished. We are not talking partisan, Democrat versus Republican, here;
we are
 talking about the fate of the Republic. Unfortunately, the fascist left
now
 controls the once great and good Democratic Party.

 Oh, life will go on in the United States, but there will come a day when
we
 will wake up and we will not have the country where liberty lives. The
Bill of
 Rights for all intents and purposes will cease to exist. We will no longer
be a
 Republic; we will be a mob-ocracy with benevolent dictators at the helm
and an
 emasculated and frightened opposition incapable of preventing the worst
abuses
 in the growing trend toward a corporate police state.

 If Bush is elected and the Republicans keep both houses of Congress,
perhaps we
 will have breathing room to develop a long-term answer to the growth of
the
 state and its abuse of power. His election will only give us breathing
room -
 that is all it will do.

 What is worrisome is the talk from the Bush-Cheney camp that in a future
Bush
 administration the Republicans will reach across the aisle to the
Democrats. A
 bipartisan group hug will be in order to do the people's business.

 The people's business, however, requires only one thing - for government
to get
 out of the way and to re-establish the Bill of Rights and the Constitution
as
 the law of the land. The Republicans don't need to reach across the aisle.
They
 have been there and done that and compromised every single principle they
stood
 for. They fail to realize that the Democrats fight a war in which there is
no
 compromise. The sole option they offer is total agreement to growing
government
 and restraining or ending liberty.

 The only reaching across the aisle Republicans need to do is to yank the
rug
 out from under the statist Democrats and their Republican fellow
travelers.
 One must ask the question, what could possibly make any self-respecting,
 conservative Republican become so totally obsessed with power, image or
the
 shallow approval of the media or the left that it sells its conservative
soul.

 Politicians on the left do not care about conservative concerns, nor do
they
 intend to compromise on any issue. They understand that it is an
ideological
 war they are fighting, and its only conclusion is the obliteration and
 unconditional surrender of the other side. They are good at it. The last
couple
 of years in Congress, Democrats - along with the Clinton administration -
have
 shown they are good at winning political warfare. Their agenda, with few
 exceptions, has been passed and funded.

 Yet the Republicans still haven't figured out this is a war, and they
scratch
 their heads hoping no one will notice and criticize them for not

Re: [CTRL] From Bad to Worse

[Eagle 1]

Mike,
I happen to agree with you...
THIS will be the first year in 30 years of voting eligibility that I won't
even bother to go to the poll this year.  Neither man running on the main
tickets, or otherwise,  are worthy of the office they seek...  nor are they
worthy of my vote.

Election before last,  I took the stand of  ' the lesser of the three evils
'   and the monkey wrench running,  threw Clinton into office.  (choke!
gag!)  Clinton's first bill signed as president was the long term partial
abortion issue,  on my birthday,  no less...  I was sickened by this, and
this man and his wife, and his admin from the get-go.  Many tears did not
change the vote,  nor did my vote in the next election matter, for the
people are blinded to righteous government and choose rather to be ruled and
represented to the world by a fool, fornicator, murderer and a liar...
WYSIWYG.
What you see is what you get.

Therefore,  WHY should I bother to go out to the polls this time... ???
This election has not grabbed much of my attention at all.
I'm to the point, of  "so what?"  and "WHO?"  Oh well
As the subject matter says,  it's only going to be from bad to worse,
no matter who is elected this time.  America is reaping what she's sown,
and him/them who she's elected as king(s).

Biblically speaking,  we can see the end results of Ahab and Jezebel...
History has a tendency to repeat itself.
Ahab tried to change history.  He put himself, as a hypocrit, and played the
role of a priest, i.e. righteous man,  in the midst of a battle, and was
still recognized and assasinated with an arrow through his shoulder blades
from the back, and was left to bleed all over his chariot.  Jezebel,  ahhh
Jezebel, well,  she earned the title of harlot, resurrected in Revelation
chapter 2,  but when she died, the people threw her body to the dogs of the
streets, and her bones were scattered, never to be buried with honor.

These people running for office,  don't know when to quit, in honor.
Righteousness and true justice in the presidency of this country,
is a thing of the past for America.
Sad to say.   :-((

eagle 1


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From: "Mike Smith" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Sunday, August 06, 2000 2:25 AM
Subject: Re: [CTRL] From Bad to Worse


 Pardon me for me inserting my two bits of opinion
 on an american election from a non-american stand point.

 I really don't think it matters who gets voted in. The end result will be
 the same
 although one president might make it more expedient than the other. The
end
 result WILL BE
 the same.


 ...now to digress

 I realize that there are Christians, theists of various beliefs and
atheists
 on this list.
 I mean to offend nobody. However, I simply cannot seem to escape the fact
 that so
 much of circumstance around us in the world today regarding a new world
 order
 (more aptly termed one world governance) seems to mirror biblical prophesy
 in the book of revelations.

 I keep reading posts to the effect of "fight and save America while we
still
 can".
 Look people, that's NOT gonna happen. Not in your lifetime nor mine.
 I suppose one could even say it's preordained or prophesied. I am sorry
 to rain on your 4th of July parade, but there will be no saving of America
 no matter how many guns you have stashed.

 God's word will prevail.

 Mike Smith 


 - Original Message -
 From: "Alamaine" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Saturday, August 05, 2000 2:35 PM
 Subject: [CTRL] From Bad to Worse


  From
  http://www.newsmax.com/commentmax/articles/Diane_Alden.shtml
 
  }}Begin
  CommentMax
  Republicans Are Bad, but Democrats Are Worse
  Diane Alden
  August 4, 2000
 
  The reason I will vote for Republicans this fall is because the
 alternative is
  not only worse, it is dangerous. Perhaps that is not a principled Stand,
 but it
  is the best I can do. Since the country cannot survive four years of Al
 Gore
  and the consequences he would bring down on American heads with his
 statist-
  collectivist agenda, there is not much choice. You can vote for Ralph
 Nader or
  Pat Buchanan or Harry Browne, but realistically none of them has a
chance.
 
  If Al Gore were elected because of a split vote, the divisiveness of
 extreme
  leftist-collectivist Big Brotherism would kill America. This country is
so
  polarized now that it will take a gifted leader or leaders to put it
back
  together again.
 
  There is no doubt in my mind that if Gore gets in and the Democrats take
 over
  one or both houses of Congress, the Republic, what is left of it, will
be
  finished. We are not talking partisan, Democrat versus Republican, here;
 we are
  talking about the fate of the Republic. Unfortunately, the fascist left
 now
  controls the once great and good Democratic Party.
 
  Oh, life will go on in the United States, but there will come a day when
 we
  will wake up and we will not have the country 

Re: [CTRL] From Bad to Worse

[Aleisha Saba]

Mike Smith:   The Master Plan IS the bible and it is right now being
used by the wrong people.

I bungled onto this in 1968 - a bible communicaton/code keyed date wise
to specific murders and acts of sabotage - two forces use this book,
some call this evil force a satanic force.

A force of good and a force of evil - and it is always the evil ones who
win unless you fight fire with fire.

But remember the line "I am the Alpha and Omega.the Bright and
Morning Star".and consider Lucipher was kicked out of heaven, or was
it the Garden of Eden.it was Christ nailed to the cross, not
Lucipher.

Too late Christ said sell your coat and getta gun.so you see this is
why it is important America be disarmed - look to Australia and see how
Unions turned on their members and how this one guy formed first CFR
Unit in Israel

This is not King Arthur's Camelot - a dream of JFKthis is Walter
Lippman, Walter Cronkite, mass media disinformation specialists.all
owned and operated like puppets.

Tower of Babel..controlled - everything organized and controlled -
the voice of silence, or voice of the turtle now is heard in the land?

So Clinton says :let them get the first shot - he awaited that first
shot and it never happened did it.oh we had Klebold and Harris, two
brainwashed kids programmed to kill for you see they go after the kids
now - new wine cannot be put into old bottlesthey would kill them
with homosexual love - AIDS for all..most important since 1950 the
Pentagon then led by Eisenhower (note how quickly Patton was killed) who
made it his job to put Pentagon into "absorbing black race".then
Korea put hold on this, and I know this to be true - in absorbing black
race, you destroy the white rice and we have peace in our time.no
blue eyed devils?

I prefer my bue eyed devils - to each his own - but it is still 6
billion to Gideon's 300 or it is 400 now?

Secrets of the Bible?   It is all there for you as Reagan would say,
there they go again..They are here - Queen Victoria once had an
empire, but when her King Albert died, she was demoralized and then Jack
the Ripper, todaywe would call him KGB, finished the job and Lenin was
off with his Master Plan Keyed to the Stars and Testamentshe chose
the Red Star and it shines brighter and brighter through the montsh of
September, October, and November to the 22 - then our King died.

Masonic revenge?  Because DeMolay was burnt at stake?  No, Hitler kicked
masons out of German and rounded them all up and then he got the
Rosicrucians of the day saying they were all English Secret Service.

Good spies know all the secrets of all secret societies and you find
them too, in the Bible.

This is not New World Order - its the same old crap..World
Dictatorshp only now not by divine right, but by busines end of gun -
but this gun - well James Bond had one that when fired, shot backfired?

You are right Mike..the bible knows all and tells all if you read
between the lines and update he scenes of the crime..

Henry Kissinger, one if not the most hated man in the worldthis ugly
man survived.did you see him at Republican Convention - the evil
like picture of Dorian Grey is not hiddenthe man who would corner
the market on foodwhile people starve and children are slaughtered -
he sits at a table and his cup runneth over.and he would deny the
children the crumbs at his feet.

Evil is as evil doesbut wait, the day comes when the true Bright
and Morningstar will take his rightful place in spirit - and then you
will know what is the meaning over the hallowed halls of the CIA
"You Shall Know the Truth and the Truth Shall Set You Free""

Let them blot those words out of the book as they have blotted people
into book of dead.

A. Saba
Dare To Call It Conspiracy

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[nessie]

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The Master Plan IS the bible



Jews say it is the Torah. Muslims say it is the Koran. Hindus say it is
the Bahgavagita. Buddhists say it is the Pali Sutras. Biologists say it is
Origin of Species. Communists say it is Das Kapital.

They can't all be right. Why should I believe any of them?

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[Aleisha Saba]

You do not have to believe any of them; when I spoke of this Master
Plan, the cospirators have nothing to do with religion - they use it.

I believe in all relgion and no religon - it is as simple as that - but
as they say, a Mason can always tell when one of its own, is out of line
- how?

Those who cry peace, peace and prepare for war?   To prepare for
national defense is one thing, but to stockpile tons of biological
warfare germs, and work like hell to find different ways to wipe out a
generation of kids, is another.
Census takers so hated - but record of first census, is in bible?   And
when you have a census you you have a choice - death by wars or by
plagues?

Poisoned water, poisoned food, poisoned blood and promoting of
homosexual lifestyle is just another form of mass genocide - refer to
South Africa.

You do not have to believe anybody or anythingbut if you want the
truth, start knocking the booksif you had my bible calendar/code,
certain dates for specific murders and acts of sabotage - might be a
little easier to see the truth.

So do you hve imagination - can you read not between lines, but like a
Shakespearian play, a Midsummers NIght Dream - names are changed, but
same old scenario.

For instance for clue to little Princess of Wales Death read Acts 16 and
Acts 19 and keep in mind the color Purple, is symbol of royalty.and
JFK and RFK and little Princesss had soothsayers with big feet in door -
marking for death over and over - warnings of death, and these
soothsayers had been given certain information and were nothing but
spies in disguise?   Snoops, nothing dvine about them - in fact, read
Acts 19 to see sabotage of Apollo.see burning of bookssee
special inquiries over the matter..see how Diana whom some
worshipped was to be despisedand remember the tabloids controlled by
CIA and MI6 said the Queen "despised" Diana which was not true.

For the conspirators lay foundations of lies;  this Round Table did not
consist of Knights in Shiniing Armour, but conisted of murderers,
judging who will live and who will die - like a High Tribunal, they
think they do not murder - they execute and use bible as their
authority.

See Apollo the craft that came to naught and think of Shadrach, Meschenk
and Abenego tossed into the firey furnacewonder why Jack Ruby
(Rubenstein, jewish mafia) wonder why while in prison, over and over he
said "Shadrach, Mechenk, and Abenego: and consider this man was on drug
Preludin prior to assassintions and had a little dog, named
Sheba(Seba or Saba - spies all?)

So the conspirators use the bible calendar/code, for it is the Communist
Time Table, all mapped out.Twenty-Two, Skidoo?

For twenty-two is a magical number is it not, for in November the summer
ends, and the King Mut Die and Sagitarius takes deadly aim, and the sun
god lies at his feet - covered with red roses.

Oh you are look at conpirators with all the knowledge of ancient gods
and stories of fallen heros..Ezekial 38 and 39 is the symbolisms of
the President of the United States.some see the Valley of Hamon-Gog,
but I saw Arlington Cemetary.read the 109th psalm and 110 psalm,
then consider ancient biblical rituals, psalms of degrees, and you find
a secret society within a society, theTarot Card Assassons, the
slaughter of the innocents from Waco to Ruby Ridge to Littleton and
other schools along major drug route..and Klebold ad Harris were
victims too - for in fact you find mentors and controls, and programmed
killers.

Lips of those who are asleep made to speak, to walk, and to murder - a
look and a word, can killprogrammd through vicious movies someimes
timed prior to scenes of actual crimes.

Cry Havoc, Turn Loose the Dogs of War, and out of Chaos, New World
Order.dictatorship, and we see Clinton with big guns,  but they are
all about to be turned upon him, as people see the truth.

Hebrews - Clintons "new covenant".remember the democrat convention
he and Gore pledged New Covenant.Hebrews 8,Kennedy had ot ie for
it.and always remember Hebrews for the big secret in this on line
and any true blue mason knows the secret meanings:

Where there is a testament there must by necesity be the death of the
Testator.

So, the King Must Die..and did at the hands of the NWO on
November 22, 1963.

A. Saba
Dare To Call It Conspiracy

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Re: [CTRL] From Bad to Worse

[Bob Stokes]

In a message dated 00-08-06 03:26:09 EDT, Mike Smith writes:

 I keep reading posts to the effect of "fight and save America while we
still
 can".
 Look people, that's NOT gonna happen. Not in your lifetime nor mine.
 I suppose one could even say it's preordained or prophesied. I am sorry
 to rain on your 4th of July parade, but there will be no saving of America
 no matter how many guns you have stashed.  

Should I presume you are from England or Australia since they have given up
their guns and made themselves defenseless against their government?  I can't
speak for everyone on this list, nor can I speak for most people on this
list, but I can tell you we are Americans.  We won't sit idle and watch our
liberty be taken from us without a fight.  Talking does little to protect
freedom, action is required.  Our Constitution gives us the right to end our
government and start over should the present government become an untenable
tyranny.  The United States was formed because we were oppressed by the
Monarch of our country and fought and won our freedom, not by talking but by
fighting.

You seem to have a defeatist attitude and it is doubtful you would have the
stomach to end a tyranny.  When the criminals in Congress decide to forcibly
remove arms from the hands of private citizens that is when many Americans
will have had their fill of the fascist state.

Most of us are not so naïve to believe that government will listen to our
cries for freedom.  Government is Force, excessive use of Force; the only way
to overcome force is by more force.  Government has two choices, either
return freedom, or relinquish control of the Republic.

Regards,
Bob Stokes

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  I keep reading posts to the effect of "fight and save America while we
still
  can".
  Look people, that's NOT gonna happen. Not in your lifetime nor mine.
  I suppose one could even say it's preordained or prophesied. I am sorry
  to rain on your 4th of July parade, but there will be no saving of
America
  no matter how many guns you have stashed.

 So we're all just supposed to sit back and do nothing?

 I guess you've never heard the common saying "God helps those who help
themselves."


 June

That's an interesting point.

I'm sure during the great biblical flood many people tried swimming in order
to "help themselves" survive.
I don't think God helped them out now did He?

Should we do nothing about it?  That's not something I'd suggest to anyone.
I would however suggest
people be prepared for their inevitable defeat.

Mike Smith

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Re: [CTRL] From Bad to Worse

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 [EMAIL PROTECTED],Internet writes:
 
 The Master Plan IS the bible



 Jews say it is the Torah. Muslims say it is the Koran. Hindus say it is
 the Bahgavagita. Buddhists say it is the Pali Sutras. Biologists say it is
 Origin of Species. Communists say it is Das Kapital.

 They can't all be right. Why should I believe any of them?


How right you are. They can't all be right. That's not to say that they're
all wrong either.
There can only be one version of the truth.


Mike Smith 

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Re: [CTRL] From Bad to Worse

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England or Australia
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have given up

their guns and made themselves defenseless against their government?



And against criminals.

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Re: [CTRL] From Bad to Worse

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- Original Message -
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Sent: Sunday, August 06, 2000 9:53 AM
Subject: Re: [CTRL] From Bad to Worse


 In a message dated 00-08-06 03:26:09 EDT, Mike Smith writes:

  I keep reading posts to the effect of "fight and save America while we
still can". Look people, that's NOT gonna happen. Not in your lifetime nor
mine.
I suppose one could even say it's preordained or prophesied. I am sorry
to rain on your 4th of July parade, but there will be no saving of America
no matter how many guns you have stashed.  





 Should I presume you are from England or Australia since they have given
up
 their guns and made themselves defenseless against their government?  I
can't
 speak for everyone on this list, nor can I speak for most people on this
 list, but I can tell you we are Americans.  We won't sit idle and watch
our
 liberty be taken from us without a fight.  Talking does little to protect
 freedom, action is required.  Our Constitution gives us the right to end
our
 government and start over should the present government become an
untenable
 tyranny.  The United States was formed because we were oppressed by the
 Monarch of our country and fought and won our freedom, not by talking but
by
 fighting.

Speaking of gun politics you're close. I am Canadian. We have very
restrictive
gun laws here that do nothing but disarm (in time) law abiding gun owners
whilst
leaving the criminal element to terrorize the populous. We need an N.R.A.

Your nation was born out of bloodshed. It's something Americans pride
themselves on.
There's nothing wrong with overthrowing tyranny in my mind. One however must
remember that
to live by the sword is to die by the sword.


 You seem to have a defeatist attitude and it is doubtful you would have
the
 stomach to end a tyranny.  When the criminals in Congress decide to
forcibly
 remove arms from the hands of private citizens that is when many Americans
 will have had their fill of the fascist state.

I'd call it a realistic attitude and please don't infer me to be a coward. I
simply don't
see the point in blasting away at the inevitable gun collection agent(s) who
will one day
walk up your sidewalk to ring on your doorbell. Unless of course you'd
already picked that
day to die and wanted to take a few of them out with you. Besides a little
gratification it
accomplishes nothing but to further the inevitable gun confiscation and have
more draconian gun
laws legislated. I'm sure everytime there is another school shooting the
politicians rejoice privately
while send public condolences.

And by the way, I wouldn't talk about American readiness to fight tyranny.
For instance my fellow
compatriots were fighting and DYING in two world wars long before Americans
entered the war(s).
Whoo hoo!  America came in WWI in the last friggin year. In WWII they had to
be attacked before
they could work up enough adrenalin to get up courage to fight and enter the
war. Ya ya... sure sure..
you guys are ready to fight. But only when it suits you. (or rather the
elite who sends you off to die)

You can expect America to do the right thing but only after they've
exhausted every other possibility.
~ Winston Churchill~


 Most of us are not so naïve to believe that government will listen to our
 cries for freedom.  Government is Force, excessive use of Force; the only
way
 to overcome force is by more force.  Government has two choices, either
 return freedom, or relinquish control of the Republic.

 Regards,
 Bob Stokes


And you think I believe that my cries for freedom have any effect of deaf
tyrannical ears?
Not in the least. I'm not naive enough to think that. I'm also not naive
enough to believe
that Joe Paycheck and his 30-30 are gong to make a difference in stopping
the New World Order.
Sure... you'll kill a few of them, but that's all it will accomplish.


You've got me all wrong Mr. Stokes. I'm not afraid to fight back at the
system. Allow me to clarify.
I would very much like to be a thorn in the govt's side.  The difference
between you and I in this regard
is that you think you can win. I beleive the NWO is inevitable but that
should not stop me from throwing as many
obstacles in their way as I can.   IOW You fight back to win. (which you
wont) I fight back just to piss them off. (it does)



Mike Smith

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Re: [CTRL] From Bad to Worse

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Mike Smith wrote:

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 Sent: Sunday, August 06, 2000 7:53 AM
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  [EMAIL PROTECTED],Internet writes:
  
  The Master Plan IS the bible
 
 
 
  Jews say it is the Torah. Muslims say it is the Koran. Hindus say it is
  the Bahgavagita. Buddhists say it is the Pali Sutras. Biologists say it is
  Origin of Species. Communists say it is Das Kapital.
 
  They can't all be right. Why should I believe any of them?
 

 How right you are. They can't all be right. That's not to say that they're
 all wrong either.

 There can only be one version of the truth.

Not necessarily.  For example, a person from the equator could
experience an autumn day in Canada and think it was cold, whereas the
Canadian would not think it was cold.  Absolutes mean absolutely nothing
to me.

And if there is only one version of Truth, is there only one version of
Justice, Beauty, Love?

Kelly

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Re: [CTRL] From Bad to Worse

[Bob Stokes]

Mike Smith writes:

Speaking of gun politics you're close. I am Canadian. We have very
restrictive
gun laws here that do nothing but disarm (in time) law abiding gun owners
whilst
leaving the criminal element to terrorize the populous. We need an N.R.A.

You need something similar to G.O.A. the NRA does nothing but compromise time
after time.  Eventually they will compromise everything away.  Most people
don't see that the NRA is just a tool used by the Elite class to disarm the
public.

Your nation was born out of bloodshed. It's something Americans pride
themselves on.
There's nothing wrong with overthrowing tyranny in my mind. One however must
remember that
to live by the sword is to die by the sword.

There is a time for talking.  When that doesn't work, it's time for
bloodshed.  I'm not religious and don't believe in the sword thing.


I'd call it a realistic attitude and please don't infer me to be a coward.

Sorry, most who are not willing to fight for freedom are wimps.  As far as
being realistic, I think I am being realistic.

 I simply don't see the point in blasting away at the inevitable gun
collection agent(s) who
will one day walk up your sidewalk to ring on your doorbell. Unless of course
you'd
already picked that day to die and wanted to take a few of them out with
you.

I'm not afraid to die, I welcome it, then one is truly free of the suffering
of this world.  They better send more than just a few if they expect to take
me, unless they wait till I'm too old.  I'd rather die that way than a slow
death rotting away with cancer.

 Besides a little
gratification it accomplishes nothing but to further the inevitable gun
confiscation and have
more draconian gun laws legislated.

The point is that if everyone stood their ground the Elites could not win,
there are far more of us than them.  Our Constitution is plainly written and
our Congress has no right to remove any weapon from our possession-- period.
When you compromise you give them a way in.  Compromising our Bill of Rights
was a mistake that needs to be rectified.

 I'm sure every time there is another school shooting the
politicians rejoice privately while send public condolences.

This would not happen if there were not any gun-free zones in schools.
Teachers should be armed and trained to protect their students.  Getting guns
out of schools is just a socialist lie.  These laws didn't prevent the two
kids at Columbine from killing fellow students.  If half the teachers had
been armed, the killing would have stopped sooner, but a lower death toll
would not have served the power that be as well.

And by the way, I wouldn't talk about American readiness to fight tyranny.
For instance my fellow compatriots were fighting and DYING in two world wars
long before Americans
entered the war(s). Whoo hoo!  America came in WWI in the last friggin year.
In WWII they had to
be attacked before they could work up enough adrenalin to get up courage to
fight and enter the
war. Ya ya... sure sure.. you guys are ready to fight. But only when it suits
you. (or rather the
elite who sends you off to die)

If Europe had gotten their shit together there would have not been any need
for the first war.  If the US didn't join in the second war Europe would have
been ruled by Hitler.  We had to help because the rest of the wimpy countries
in Europe couldn't handle the Germans.  The reason we were in Europe is
simple, Roosevelt put us there, and our concentration should have been in the
Pacific.  The Elites have been with us a long time, WWII proves it … Japan
attacks us, so we send the bulk of our troops and equipment to Europe to
fight the Nazi war machine, makes no sense what-so-ever.  It wasn't Canada's
fight either unless you consider Canada to be part of the Commonwealth.  It's
not like the Germans attacked us.

You can expect America to do the right thing but only after they've
exhausted every other possibility.
~ Winston Churchill~

I guess Churchill thought it was our duty to save England's bacon, he forgets
we severed our ties with the Motherland about two and one half centuries ago
and we owe England nothing at all.  Churchill, actually the person in power
before him let Germany gain military strength and didn't do a thing about it
except whine, talk is cheap and means nothing.  He should have followed his
own advice and took them out while it was relatively easy.

 Winston Churchill: "If you will not fight for the right when you can easily
win without bloodshed, if you will not fight when your victory will be sure
and not so costly, you may come to the moment when you will have to fight
with all the odds against you and only a precarious chance for survival.
There may be a worse case. You may have to fight when there is no chance of
victory, because it is better to perish than to live as slaves."

And you think I believe that my cries for freedom have any effect of deaf
tyrannical ears?
Not in the least. I'm not naive enough to think that. I'm also not 

Re: [CTRL] From Bad to Worse

[Oscar]

On Sun, 6 Aug 2000 09:10:22 -0400 Aleisha Saba [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Mike Smith:   The Master Plan IS the bible and it is right now being
used by the wrong people.

translated:

you are either with me or against me...

call it fervor...

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 There can only be one version of the truth.



Is light a wave or a particle?

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[CTRL] From Bad to Worse

[Alamaine]

From
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CommentMax
Republicans Are Bad, but Democrats Are Worse
Diane Alden
August 4, 2000

The reason I will vote for Republicans this fall is because the alternative is
not only worse, it is dangerous. Perhaps that is not a principled Stand, but it
is the best I can do. Since the country cannot survive four years of Al Gore
and the consequences he would bring down on American heads with his statist-
collectivist agenda, there is not much choice. You can vote for Ralph Nader or
Pat Buchanan or Harry Browne, but realistically none of them has a chance.

If Al Gore were elected because of a split vote, the divisiveness of extreme
leftist-collectivist Big Brotherism would kill America. This country is so
polarized now that it will take a gifted leader or leaders to put it back
together again.

There is no doubt in my mind that if Gore gets in and the Democrats take over
one or both houses of Congress, the Republic, what is left of it, will be
finished. We are not talking partisan, Democrat versus Republican, here; we are
talking about the fate of the Republic. Unfortunately, the fascist left now
controls the once great and good Democratic Party.

Oh, life will go on in the United States, but there will come a day when we
will wake up and we will not have the country where liberty lives. The Bill of
Rights for all intents and purposes will cease to exist. We will no longer be a
Republic; we will be a mob-ocracy with benevolent dictators at the helm and an
emasculated and frightened opposition incapable of preventing the worst abuses
in the growing trend toward a corporate police state.

If Bush is elected and the Republicans keep both houses of Congress, perhaps we
will have breathing room to develop a long-term answer to the growth of the
state and its abuse of power. His election will only give us breathing room -
that is all it will do.

What is worrisome is the talk from the Bush-Cheney camp that in a future Bush
administration the Republicans will reach across the aisle to the Democrats. A
bipartisan group hug will be in order to do the people's business.

The people's business, however, requires only one thing - for government to get
out of the way and to re-establish the Bill of Rights and the Constitution as
the law of the land. The Republicans don't need to reach across the aisle. They
have been there and done that and compromised every single principle they stood
for. They fail to realize that the Democrats fight a war in which there is no
compromise. The sole option they offer is total agreement to growing government
and restraining or ending liberty.

The only reaching across the aisle Republicans need to do is to yank the rug
out from under the statist Democrats and their Republican fellow travelers.
One must ask the question, what could possibly make any self-respecting,
conservative Republican become so totally obsessed with power, image or the
shallow approval of the media or the left that it sells its conservative soul.

Politicians on the left do not care about conservative concerns, nor do they
intend to compromise on any issue. They understand that it is an ideological
war they are fighting, and its only conclusion is the obliteration and
unconditional surrender of the other side. They are good at it. The last couple
of years in Congress, Democrats - along with the Clinton administration - have
shown they are good at winning political warfare. Their agenda, with few
exceptions, has been passed and funded.

Yet the Republicans still haven't figured out this is a war, and they scratch
their heads hoping no one will notice and criticize them for not being quick
enough with the rubber stamp. The Republicans need to get a grip. American
doesn't need more bipartisanship. It is nothing more than appeasement of a
statist philosophy and its advocates, a philosophy that would destroy anyone or
anything in order to accomplish its goals.

On the other hand, Republicans have not been true to their stated goals, and it
is no wonder many conservatives are disheartened. Over the top, you say? Well,
let’s look at the facts.

According to the Cato Institute, the 106th Congress is going to be the biggest-
spending Congress on domestic social programs since Jimmy Carter. Total federal
non-defense spending is going to grow in real terms by $33 billion, or 11
percent, between 1999 and 2001. Cato maintains that more than 200 programs and
departments the Republicans pledged to eliminate in 1995, like the National
Endowment for the Arts and the Department of Education, now have fatter budgets
than ever. Congress has violated its own spending caps every year.

But it isn't only fiscal irresponsibility that the Republicans have been guilty
of or compromised on. For instance, the giant surpluses should have been given
back to the taxpayers. But instead they are being used by the Clinton
administration and the Democrats to fund more black holes 

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[Prudence L. Kuhn]

In a message dated 08/05/2000 4:33:23 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
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 The reason I will vote for Republicans this fall is because the
alternative is
 not only worse, it is dangerous. Perhaps that is not a principled Stand, but
it
 is the best I can do. Since the country cannot survive four years of Al Gore
 and the consequences he would bring down on American heads with his statist-
 collectivist agenda, there is not much choice. You can vote for Ralph Nader
or
 Pat Buchanan or Harry Browne, but realistically none of them has a chance. 

Now that's really funny.  I'm still pretty sure I'm voting for Nader, but if
I were to vote for Al Gore, it's only because the thought of the Bush, Reagan
crowd that will be in the driver's seat for at least four years is
terrifying.  You noticed, I hope, that Dubya didn't say anything about
leading the country on his own.  That "WE" was either standing for the whole
den of thieves; he considers himself as royal; or the guy is pregnant.  Prudy

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