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-Caveat Lector- Anyone who doesn't know enough to capitalize "I" cannot be taken seriously. i believe in a classless alphabet; or, at the very least, completely classless words. those of the upper cases need to be scaled down - their powers to speak before and stand taller than the others need to be removed. you could call me an alphabetical egalitarianist. inri I am an Alphabetical Fundamentalist but I will defend to the death your right to ignore the Upper Case...and my right not to take such writing seriously. flw flw A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
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-Caveat Lector- inri, Very briefly, let me see if I can better explain what I tried to say in this post. The problem you describe is a compound problem not a complex one. Compound is large made up of many simple. Complex is a problem in which the solution to one aspect creates another problem of equal or greater proportion. The school issue in this country is very complex. My post was meant to be one person's experience. Combine many of those and you will have many pieces of a bigger picture. My experience would not be like that of others as there is no uniformity of education. It varies from state to state and even school district to district. There are a few over-riding basics, however, making transfer from system to system possible, etc.I do NOT want you to believe anything specific but to gather information which you seem to be doing and THEN decide, not before. You are correct. My statement that ALL the major cities have black mayors and chiefs of police is a vast over-generalization. I tend to do that if the detail involved is irrelevant to the point I am trying to make which is that blacks have about as much self-determination as others. The mayors of Atlanta, Birmingham, Jackson are usually black. But my point was also, why are non-blacks leaving the cities for the suburbs and even beyond? That is how the black mayors always come to be elected--the non-blacks have moved beyond the voting districts. Why is that? Also, I should have used non-black in reference to other students as there were a large number of Asians (Indian and Oriental) also present. Now I wonder why parents to not mind their kids attending with Asians if they are just racists? I cannot remember in 16 years of having a child in school a disciplinary incident involving violence and an Asian student. Don't know what that means exactly but that is what happened. Caucasians would have been second after Blacks, interestingly enough. Also, as to the poverty issue, go to the US 2000 census website and check out incomes. Black families that stay together now have 87% of the income that whites do on average. That is fairly close and a 12% difference should not account for vast feelings of entitlement, abuse, etc. So what I was getting at is that if a certain group encounters massive avoidance or the desire to do so from all other ethnic groups, they might want to do a little self-examination and see if they are contributing to this reaction. The social engineering is at play here to constantly divide and upset and if possible, frighten. It worked in the 60's so it seems they will give it a try again. I attended half my lower education in segregation and half integrated schools. We did NOT have these problems but that long ago when people were far more civil. The level of anger and frustration is kept at an all time high now and the old worn out race card is being played yet again. All of my life, I have tried to respect and help blacks in every way because of the social injustices I felt they had endured. I have awakened to find half the basketball team (the black ones) sleeping all over my house many Sat. mornings, allowed my home to be used as an extended locker room during tournaments, bought sports shoes for sports my kids did not even play, etc. as best I was able and have gone out of my way to be kind and certainly fair to black people. However, because I am blonde/blue and born in the deep South, I am now termed a racist no matter what I may have done. This is the latest trend a la Ashcroft, et al.The facts do not matter as a witch hunt is afoot. Blacks are being baited by Jesse and Sharpton, et al into believing they are being mistreated and as a result, any real injustices are exaggerated, etc. for these hucksters to make money and the got has a nice problem to solve for us sheople. Create the problem then fix it. As for a white supremacist household, well, if I could pull that off being the only white with three Hispanic males, one Hispanic female and now a Vietnamese fiancée, I would indeed BE superior but alas, I remain only as domestic slave. :) Oh, well, such is life. Amelia - Original Message - From: "inri" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, January 28, 2001 11:03 PM Subject: Re: [CTRL] Fw: Re: [CTRL] Fw: Re: [CTRL] Fw: Re: [CTRL] Q-Who will MOST BENEFIT By School Vouchers??? -Caveat Lector- Er, inri, my children are Hispanic. assuming you are a real person and not a name created by the government [you don't think they don't moniter these places and post their bullshit here do you?] i seem to have made an unfair assumption. however, hispanics can still be racists... and i do not apologize for slandering you as such. They do not utter racial slurs nor do I nor does any member of my family. i just can't argue this. The blacks where I live often make more money than the whites. There are about five counties in my state with a Black
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-Caveat Lector- fair enough. - Original Message - From: flw [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, January 29, 2001 10:32 AM Subject: Re: [CTRL] Fw: Re: [CTRL] Fw: Re: [CTRL] Q-Who will MOST BENEFIT By School Vouchers??? -Caveat Lector- Anyone who doesn't know enough to capitalize "I" cannot be taken seriously. i believe in a classless alphabet; or, at the very least, completely classless words. those of the upper cases need to be scaled down - their powers to speak before and stand taller than the others need to be removed. you could call me an alphabetical egalitarianist. inri I am an Alphabetical Fundamentalist but I will defend to the death your right to ignore the Upper Case...and my right not to take such writing seriously. flw flw A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substance-not soap-boxing-please! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'-with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright frauds-is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
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-Caveat Lector- in closing, i'd like to offer my apologies for bringing these arguments (which i tend to view similarly to an argument with a member of the flat earth society - i was not expecting this to be an issue here) to the list and my condolences for all of you unfortunate enough to live in a country that is backwards enough to continue to promote racism. inri Anyone who doesn't know enough to capitalize "I" cannot be taken seriously. flw A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
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-Caveat Lector- in closing, i'd like to offer my apologies for bringing these arguments (which i tend to view similarly to an argument with a member of the flat earth society - i was not expecting this to be an issue here) to the list and my condolences for all of you unfortunate enough to live in a country that is backwards enough to continue to promote racism. inri Anyone who doesn't know enough to capitalize "I" cannot be taken seriously. oh.and those who promote segregation can? a closer look at my past posts to this list will show that i also refuse to capitalize the beginning of sentences, proper names, etc unless i happen to have done so by accident or i am capitalizing an entire word. i apologize for any unnecessary capitalization. why? because i believe in a classless alphabet; or, at the very least, completely classless words. those of the upper cases need to be scaled down - their powers to speak before and stand taller than the others need to be removed. you could call me an alphabetical egalitarianist. and, yes, i am a socialist. the root of all conspiracy in the world for the last 100+ years has been wall street. nazism, communism, fascism are all products of capitalism - they were all created to take over various parts of the world and funded by american capitalist interests. why hasn't there been major conflict since WWII? because the major populations of the world - russia, america, europe, china, etc - have all been under the control of the same murderering capitalist wall street puppet- masters. the cia would you like you to believe it's in the process of bringing fascism to america and has been since paperclip. the reality is that it's in the process of exporting american style fascism/capitalism to the rest of the world and has been since at least teddy roosevelt. i'm working on a rather large book that will attempt to prove this. i'll send all who are interested a free copy when i'm done.most likely in 5-10 years or so. inri np: [(deny - avoid) + expose]everything = enlightenment A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
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-Caveat Lector- Er, inri, my children are Hispanic. assuming you are a real person and not a name created by the government [you don't think they don't moniter these places and post their bullshit here do you?] i seem to have made an unfair assumption. however, hispanics can still be racists... and i do not apologize for slandering you as such. They do not utter racial slurs nor do I nor does any member of my family. i just can't argue this. The blacks where I live often make more money than the whites. There are about five counties in my state with a Black MAJORITY population. good. All major cities in the south have black mayors and chiefs of police as do many large cities in this country. ALL major cities in the south have black mayors AND chiefs of police? now this is an interesting statistic! and you wonder why i'm skeptical about what you say. Your "superior" education has enabled you to utter simplistic solutions to a very complex problem. a complex problem is merely the sum of many simple problems. simple problems have simple solutions. this is the problem solving approach taught here. so, yes, you are correct. Whatever the causation of problems in the US educational system, it is much more complex than those to which you attribute it. I assure you if it were as simple and clear-cut as you seem to think, we could solve it. is it really complex? or is faux complexity a means to prevent solutions? is complexity a reality or an illusion? As I said originally, you cannot grasp the situation from there. that is one point of view. i prefer to take the one that a step back puts things in proper perspective. however, as a slightly different answer to this earlier reveals: this really, really is a subjective point. As a parent, I doubt you would be willing to 'sacrifice' your child in the causes you state. correct. I do not care if I am called a racist any more because of the ignorance of the people who use that as an excuse and refuse to place any of the blame on those causing the element of criminality to flourish in public schools. i believe that my earlier response admitted that blacks do indeed commit some crimes. and i do not believe i ever stated that they were not responsible for their actions. i did, however, attenpt to attack a larger evil - the root of the problem. in reality, you're the one using racism as an excuse not to look at the real issues. could i get a yea or nay from an iimpartial observer as to whether or not this was what came out of the first email i sent through? Amelia P. S. With our inferior educational system I wonder why so many Canadians were enrolled in my older son's University, Georgetown, which is by the way both private and religiously owned. please think about this for a second. what do you think? if you're ready for the answer then scroll down.. university is not funded by the public georgetown is a very well known school. many, many highly intelligent canadians emigrate to the united states in search of larger incomes, a better economy, less social responsibility and lower taxes. in other words? the answer is greed. america IS the best place in the world to live if you're filthy rich or have the potential to become so. several canadian agencies have done multiple studies on this phenomenon - they dub it the 'brain drain': http://dir.yahoo.com/Regional/Countries/Canada/Society_and_Culture/Issues_an d_Causes/Brain_Drain/ inri A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
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-Caveat Lector- --- inri [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: why? because i believe in a classless alphabet; or, at the very least, completely classless words. those of the upper cases need to be scaled down - their powers to speak before and stand taller than the others need to be removed. you could call me an alphabetical egalitarianist. WOW! First, some feminists insisted on spelling woman "womyn" to get "man" out of it now this! The things we can do with the written word. i'm working on a rather large book that will attempt to prove this. i'll send all who are interested a free copy when i'm done.most likely in 5-10 years or so. Your publisher may insist on some capitalization. In any event, put me on the free book list. jeff = Jeff Russo [EMAIL PROTECTED] - "Everything our parents said was good is bad. Sun, milk, red meat, college" -- Woody Allen __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - Buy the things you want at great prices. http://auctions.yahoo.com/ A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
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-Caveat Lector- inri, I don't think from your position in Canada you can possibly have a very clear picture of the school system here. All I know is what I read but more importantly, my own personal experience with having children in this system for 16 years and being a PTA officer and school volunteer.My children are older now so I want the parents who currently have children in school to have a voice in what is done to their children. I wish I had been able to have more input into the education of my own. Much of the problem is racial in nature in the fact of crime, gangs and teachers being unable to maintain order long enough to teach. I do not think vouchers will result in racial segregation as schools will probably have some sort of racial quota requirement. If it should result in segregation, who is to blame? The schools have been fully integrated for thirty years so why did this not work? Whose fault is it? Do black children miraculously learn more/better if in immediate proximity of white ones? Consider my younger child's experience in school: He was all of 11 and in the sixth grade when one day the teacher left the room and within five minutes two students (Black)were engaged in an act of sodomy. It made CNN for a couple of rounds until someone with enough clout had the story pulled. The kid who "told' was beaten senseless by several black students before the day was out but it was their word against his and he was labeled a racists and charged with starting a fight. My son's life was not threatened until he reached the ninth grade, however, as he was one of the lucky ones with an older brother to act as body guard. It was then that he entered high school, a veritable crime zone. I remember buying four or five scientific calculators that year as he was relieved of his, and anything else black students wanted daily as they set up at the three entrances to the school and helped themselves to anything the white kids had daily. Fights are a daily occurrence, knives are pulled, lives are threatened, one white girl was raped by three black students when she accepted a ride home from working on floats with one of them. I could go on with things that happened to my children of a racial nature endlessly. The school board installed a black principal thinking the black parents would accept discipline for their children from another black but no matter what the situation, she ruled the black the victim of racism, racists, bigotry, etc. When legal charges are brought, because of their ages and being juvenile, very little was ever done. When individual teachers would try to instill some manner of order and discipline, parents of black children would say their children were being targeted, discriminated against, etc. meanwhile the black students would daily start fires in the waste cans, break the lavatories off the walls in the restrooms, and anyone who tried to stop them would be threatened and called a racist, etc. Black parents would bring in civil rights activists from all over the place. Remember when Jesse Jackson even got involved in getting off those black kids who beat up many people at a football game, rioting through the bleachers, etc. There was a time when I would have thought segregations was wrong but couple my kid's experiences with the hate being generated in this society today by those who fear their socialist agenda off track and I am not so sure. One of my kids attended a private school for two years of high school and it was NOT a religious school. Many are not. Darlington Academy of Rome, Georgia. My oldest sister has worked for the Hamilton County Board of Education for well over thirty years and her only child NEVER set foot in a public school. She said she would gladly work two or even three jobs if she had to to keep him out of the public school system. Wish I had known how to go about home schooling when mine were enrolled in this hellish system. But, yes, I am definitely for anything to keep children out of these mini war zones and from the brainwashing being administered there. Amelia - Original Message - From: "inri" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, January 26, 2001 3:49 AM Subject: Re: [CTRL] Fw: Re: [CTRL] Q-Who will MOST BENEFIT By School Vouchers??? -Caveat Lector- You might want to do a bit more research on vouchers before getting so upset. That is not the way they work and they WILL have the money to use to educate their children in the school of their choice. It will not require anybody to be wealthy to educate their children as the vouchers are issued based on the child, not income with a set amount per child. This amount will fully cover the cost of the education of that child and will be sufficient for that at a number of schools. until the schools start raising prices as the market dictates, of course. surely the tuition will not be REQUIRED to be the amount handed ou
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-Caveat Lector- inri, I don't think from your position in Canada you can possibly have a very clear picture of the school system here. no, i must admit, that i probably don't. but if the average portrayed intelligence by the americans i speak to online is any indication then you guys really, really need to do SOMETHING and QUICK. the problem isn't that you don't know how to read or write or figure out change from a 10. it's that you seem to be, in many cases, stuck in the nineteenth century when it comes to social values, race relations, religion, etc.. collectively, you have an appalling lack of understanding of the history of even your OWN COUNTRY and you seem unable to grasp that you make up a tiny fraction of the world population. [a generalization, i apologize for those of you who are educated.] americans aren't the laughing stock of the internet [another generalization, i apologize again.] without good reason. to me, this high level of ignorance seems to merely show a lack of quality education where it really matters. perhaps this is intentional. but when people like david duke get significant amounts of the vote when they run for office, i blame a lack of quality education. when people blame high crime in cities on racial minorities instead of much more logical and obvious factors [poverty that was created by the ruling whites; drugs that were forced down their throats by the ruling whites; gangs that were created as protection from corrupt, primarily white, police officers, etc] then i blame a lack of quality education. when people like rudolph giuliani spray toxic chemicals on your cities to combat harmless viruses and barely a murmur is raised, i blame a lack of quality education. when your election is rigged and nobody gives a fuck, i blame a lack of quality education. we don't have problems like this in canada. i give the credit to a surplus of quality PUBLIC education. Much of the problem is racial in nature in the fact of crime, gangs and teachers being unable to maintain order long enough to teach. i don't want to play your game. the problem here is not racial in nature, it's due to differences in monetary income. blacks, latinos, whites or martians all resort to crime when they have no other option to maintain a stable income. when one has no chance at a quality education [something vouchers will not alleviate. don't go back to that.] one generally has no marketable skills. when one has no marketable skills what is one to do? you can't even get a job at mcdonalds without a high school diploma, and it's difficult to obtain a high school diploma when your schools are falling apart, your government is pumping you full of opiates and you're surrounded with carcinogens; when one grows up surrounded by crime to the extent that it has become normal, to the extent that crack-cocaine is a normal past-time, to the extent that a well paying job is merely a pipedreamwhat do you expect to happen? huh? and where does this all come from? eh? who runs eli lilly? of what race are the drug-running politicians? of what race are the arms-running politicians? who dragged these poor people, kicking and screaming i might add, from their homeenslaved them...brainwashed them through religion and then kicked them out on the street empty handed when they finally had enough of it all and fought back for basic human rights? eh? who's fault is this REALLY? i see i have played your game. i do not blame ALL whites. i blame SOME whites. i would be foolish not to blame some minorities. i repeat: the problem is NOT racial. I do not think vouchers will result in racial segregation as schools will probably have some sort of racial quota requirement. the bush administration is vehemently against quotas. If it should result in segregation, who is to blame? the people who orchestrated it. The schools have been fully integrated for thirty years so why did this not work? because it was designed not to. Whose fault is it? those who orchestrated it. Do black children miraculously learn more/better if in immediate proximity of white ones? racial prejudice is a learned trait. when carried out effectively, desegregation in schools helps prevent it from becoming learned. racism is virtually dead in canada - an idea held in regard only by the uneducated and the perpetually ridiculed, completely powerless christian right. we recently held our first gay marriages here. virtually all support it. i give credit to a superior PUBLIC education system that teaches inclusion, acceptance, equal rights to all what do you think of this? snip there seem to be two sides to the story that you just told: your over-represented white supremecist side and an under-represented black side, most likely with a paranoid "everybody-is-out-to-get-me" view of the world. i therefore do not plan on commenting on this story as i am unaware of the facts, no doubt both sides would be guilty of sensationalism and
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-Caveat Lector- Er, inri, my children are Hispanic. They do not utter racial slurs nor do I nor does any member of my family. The blacks where I live often make more money than the whites. There are about five counties in my state with a Black MAJORITY population. All major cities in the south have black mayors and chiefs of police as do many large cities in this country. Your "superior" education has enabled you to utter simplistic solutions to a very complex problem. You do not have a clue about which you are blathering. Whatever the causation of problems in the US educational system, it is much more complex than those to which you attribute it. I assure you if it were as simple and clear-cut as you seem to think, we could solve it. As I said originally, you cannot grasp the situation from there. As a parent, I doubt you would be willing to 'sacrifice' your child in the causes you state. I do not care if I am called a racist any more because of the ignorance of the people who use that as an excuse and refuse to place any of the blame on those causing the element of criminality to flourish in public schools. Amelia P. S. With our inferior educational system I wonder why so many Canadians were enrolled in my older son's University, Georgetown, which is by the way both private and religiously owned. - Original Message - From: "inri" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, January 27, 2001 8:06 PM Subject: Re: [CTRL] Fw: Re: [CTRL] Fw: Re: [CTRL] Q-Who will MOST BENEFIT By School Vouchers??? -Caveat Lector- inri, I don't think from your position in Canada you can possibly have a very clear picture of the school system here. no, i must admit, that i probably don't. but if the average portrayed intelligence by the americans i speak to online is any indication then you guys really, really need to do SOMETHING and QUICK. the problem isn't that you don't know how to read or write or figure out change from a 10. it's that you seem to be, in many cases, stuck in the nineteenth century when it comes to social values, race relations, religion, etc.. collectively, you have an appalling lack of understanding of the history of even your OWN COUNTRY and you seem unable to grasp that you make up a tiny fraction of the world population. [a generalization, i apologize for those of you who are educated.] americans aren't the laughing stock of the internet [another generalization, i apologize again.] without good reason. to me, this high level of ignorance seems to merely show a lack of quality education where it really matters. perhaps this is intentional. A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
