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Excellent point Mark. But I find it terribly difficult for people to protect our children from "homosexuals", call them perverse and so forth. Then when someone turns around and tries to stop the hate, everyone calls it a "Gestapo maneuver". I don't try to push my opinions on others. I just think my attempts here are more aimed towards it just being another news item, and it not publicly blasted across my bandwidth -Original Message- From: Conspiracy Theory Research List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Mark McHugh Sent: Sunday, September 03, 2000 11:06 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [CTRL] School bans Boy Scouts recruitment Nate Fischer wrote: You want to know what happened to MA, it is one of those coastal provinces you refer to, where people actually get along with one another and refuse to become godless commies. Those of you out there who believe that homosexuals are sick twisted bastards who don't belong to the moral majority are the commies. Nate, are you looking at this as a "gay" issue? I believe it begins at a more fundamental level. The 14th Amendment to the US Constitution provides for EQUAL protection under the law, not greater protection. The 1st Amendment provides for freedom of speech and association. You're free to try and persuade people, but you can't legislate morality. It must come from within and every individual has his own philosophy, whether he knows it or not. I like Alexander Berkman's words, "No opinion a law--no opinion a crime." Accusing people of belonging to the Moral Majority because they have preferences unlike your anothers is puzzling to me. I don't mind gays, but why do I have to hear about it all the time? If it's truly about wanting equality, good, but if it's just mere lifestyle promotion, enough already. I'm not pushing my beliefs on others and I'd appreciate reciprocity. -- ´´ Mark McHugh It is far better to say "NO" with conviction than to utter a "YES" merely to please or, worse yet, to avoid trouble. M.K. Gandhi A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] School bans Boy Scouts recruitment
-Original Message- From: Conspiracy Theory Research List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of BB Sent: Sunday, September 03, 2000 11:39 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [CTRL] School bans Boy Scouts recruitment That's fine, NATE FISCHER - it is you who have chosen to make of me an enemy. I greet you as friend, and you announce to the world, like a typical liberal blatherer, that I am not so. Fine. YOU have made the choice. You made the choice for me, Bill. How you can be a friend of one you so despise. Interesting concept. Yes, so I tell it like it is, rather than hide my contempt for another behind the guise of friendship. Call me honest. Your comments reveal you to be one of the crowd who gets their jollies by becoming round-shouldered from patting the current establishment on the back for their "great courage" and "strong stands." Hurray for you and them too, I am not patting anyone on the back, I am just stating that perhaps it is time that people start paying attention to what is really going on in regards to subversive government movements, rather than supposed conspiracy to turn our children gay. but since you seem to have about a 1% grasp of dictatorships, and the Hitler era in paticular, the citizenry LOVED Hitler, and openly wept tears of adoration and joy when that lunatic monster appeared in their midst, and they loved "der fuehrer" And this only proves what fools they were. So they wept tears, because they were followers and not leaders, and they believe in an part of an idealism that did not show its true face until after the war. And besides Bill, I bet you the gays, jews, and other individuals who were sought after by the Gestapo were not so pleased. For people to call the Framingham school board the "Gestapo" seems to be a little bit insane. when he took a "strong stand," and decided for the nation what it is that they, and the state, believed and stood for. You would have loved the emperor's new clothes. No, I rather doubt that. Now, not to overlook the obvious, but every pro-American, conservative list seems to have it's one self-appointed "crap-stirrer" - who would rather foment discord amongst the members, than to have them realize the truth of what's going on around them. You seem to be the one on this site. Don't discuss the issues - kill the messenger. Maybe the Massachusetts explains it somewhat. Yes, you see my name here all the time. I hardly ever post, you can ask June and all the rest, they don't know who I am. I normally read the post to garner what information I can about the state of our government and its illusive activities. I believe that I have discussed the issues, and it seems that this particular issue revolves around the messengers and their idealisms. Hmmm, considering I have only lived in MA a short time, I am sure the brainwashing procedures have gone well. To quote yourself, "The last time I checked" -- NOBODY DIED and LEFT YOU BOSS -- so why you feel it's your duty to be rude, nasty and attempt to bawl me out in public when I am only noticing the obvious, raises real questions about YOUR MOTIVES. I am stating my opinion, Bill. I don't believe I have been any more rude than any other individual has at one point on this list in regards to an issue that they truly believe in. My motives. . . That's amusing, I will leave to speculation exactly what you meant about in that comment. You said In the meantime, STOP WASTING MY BANDWIDTH WITH "YOUR CRAP" You have subscribed to this site voluntarily - so stop your whining like the cry-baby you have demonstrated you are, and if you do not like me writing a commentary on another post, GET OUT!! Take your precious BANDWIDTH, There's the door -- put an egg in your shoe and BEAT IT !!! I will have to remember that one. Your friend, Bill Ball Nate Fischer wrote: Friends, Number one, after reading your post here, I couldn't consider you to be one of my friends. This crap must stop - and immediately. None of the "organizations" and "authorities" who are now acting like gestapo agents against the Boy Scouts of America seem not to realize that they do not have a dime to distribute or control except for the contributions or taxes of thousands of citizens who very likely feel very differently. I don't know where you live, but in MA, many of the "taxpaying" citizens had no issues when the school board in Framingham passed the inclusion of "sexual orientation" in their discrimination text. And, school "boards" and "authorities" had better listen up and come to a realization they are NOT in fact the Gestapo Headquarters in determining what rules, edicts and demands are to be followed by parents and students alike simply because they say so. Yes, g
[CTRL] School bans Boy Scouts recruitment
I liked your answer here June. They are people too and should have every right that any other human being has. Everybody should have this but of course we know that will never happen. Birds Private Mail Welcome - Original Message - I don't mind gays, but why do I have to hear about it all the time? For the same reason that gays have to hear about the heterosexual lifestyle all the time. It's part of life. A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] School bans Boy Scouts recruitment
I tell my children that virginity and chastity are sexual orientations to. If it were just a case of teaching open-mindedness then I think those ideas would be taught in school as well. I was brought up to believe that people were educated to make their own choices. Sex - interesting! You do not need to know anything about it to enjoy it. For the true sports person, it is the only sport in which both people are able to win at the same time. Sex - as an art done in multiple formats? The art is in keeping the relationship going. I can have more fun with my mate, in an horizontal position, feet away, with my clothes on, sans sexual connotations because he does believe in sportsmanship then I had found in any of those "STUDS" that were basically wired for one function. To believe that power is in cuss words, sex powers, religion, homosexualism, physical powers, or future "telepathic powers" is to associate things in a mono format. Laura 04Sept2000 Nate Fischer wrote: -Original Message- From: Conspiracy Theory Research List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of BB Sent: Sunday, September 03, 2000 11:39 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [CTRL] School bans Boy Scouts recruitment That's fine, NATE FISCHER - it is you who have chosen to make of me an enemy. I greet you as friend, and you announce to the world, like a typical liberal blatherer, that I am not so. Fine. YOU have made the choice. You made the choice for me, Bill. How you can be a friend of one you so despise. Interesting concept. Yes, so I tell it like it is, rather than hide my contempt for another behind the guise of friendship. Call me honest. Your comments reveal you to be one of the crowd who gets their jollies by becoming round-shouldered from patting the current establishment on the back for their "great courage" and "strong stands." Hurray for you and them too, I am not patting anyone on the back, I am just stating that perhaps it is time that people start paying attention to what is really going on in regards to subversive government movements, rather than supposed conspiracy to turn our children gay. but since you seem to have about a 1% grasp of dictatorships, and the Hitler era in paticular, the citizenry LOVED Hitler, and openly wept tears of adoration and joy when that lunatic monster appeared in their midst, and they loved "der fuehrer" And this only proves what fools they were. So they wept tears, because they were followers and not leaders, and they believe in an part of an idealism that did not show its true face until after the war. And besides Bill, I bet you the gays, jews, and other individuals who were sought after by the Gestapo were not so pleased. For people to call the Framingham school board the "Gestapo" seems to be a little bit insane. when he took a "strong stand," and decided for the nation what it is that they, and the state, believed and stood for. You would have loved the emperor's new clothes. No, I rather doubt that. Now, not to overlook the obvious, but every pro-American, conservative list seems to have it's one self-appointed "crap-stirrer" - who would rather foment discord amongst the members, than to have them realize the truth of what's going on around them. You seem to be the one on this site. Don't discuss the issues - kill the messenger. Maybe the Massachusetts explains it somewhat. Yes, you see my name here all the time. I hardly ever post, you can ask June and all the rest, they don't know who I am. I normally read the post to garner what information I can about the state of our government and its illusive activities. I believe that I have discussed the issues, and it seems that this particular issue revolves around the messengers and their idealisms. Hmmm, considering I have only lived in MA a short time, I am sure the brainwashing procedures have gone well. To quote yourself, "The last time I checked" -- NOBODY DIED and LEFT YOU BOSS -- so why you feel it's your duty to be rude, nasty and attempt to bawl me out in public when I am only noticing the obvious, raises real questions about YOUR MOTIVES. I am stating my opinion, Bill. I don't believe I have been any more rude than any other individual has at one point on this list in regards to an issue that they truly believe in. My motives. . . That's amusing, I will leave to speculation exactly what you meant about in that comment. You said In the meantime, STOP WASTING MY BANDWIDTH WITH "YOUR CRAP" You have subscribed to this site voluntarily - so stop your whining like the cry-baby you have demonstrated you are, and if you do not like me writing a commentary on another post, GET OUT!! Take your precious BANDWIDTH, There's the door -- put an egg in your shoe and BEAT IT !!! I will have to re
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From: "Birds" [EMAIL PROTECTED] I liked your answer here June. 'T wasn't me... June A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] School bans Boy Scouts recruitment
Friends, This crap must stop - and immediately. None of the "organizations" and "authorities" who are now acting like gestapo agents against the Boy Scouts of America seem not to realize that they do not have a dime to distribute or control except for the contributions or taxes of thousands of citizens who very likely feel very differently. And, school "boards" and "authorities" had better listen up and come to a realization they are NOT in fact the Gestapo Headquarters in determining what rules, edicts and demands are to be followed by parents and students alike simply because they say so. Folks, you'd better start applying some very strong pressure to the authoritarian nut cases in our country who believe that they run things and decide whether or not "they" will support a particular organization, simply because these groups stand up for what we all know to be MORALLY RIGHT. School Superintendent Mark Smith desperately needs to be sent packing, as the first in a long line of despots who are not afraid to make these kinds of lunatic unilateral decisions which fly in the face of what every traditional American knows to be true and just. This crap MUST STOP. Bill Ball "schuetzen - RKBA!" wrote: -- eGroups Sponsor -~-~ GET A NEXTCARD VISA, in 30 seconds! Get rates of 2.9% Intro or 9.9% Ongoing APR* and no annual fee! Apply NOW! http://click.egroups.com/1/7872/9/_/356655/_/967929292/ -_- On Sat, 02 Sep 2000 13:49:07 -0600, spiker [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Source: MetroWest Town Online: Framingham, Massachusetts http://www.townonline.com/metrowest/ School bans Boy Scouts recruitment http://www.townonline.com/metrowest/framingham/news/0-9097_0_school_090200_c029360308.html September 2, 2000 By MICHELLE HILLMAN NEWS STAFF WRITER FRAMINGHAM -- School Superintendent Mark Smith, reacting to the Boy Scouts' ban on gays, says he will no longer allow the organization's local chapter to hand out information or recruit members on school grounds. The chapter, called the Knox Trail Council, will still be able to hold meetings in Framingham school buildings, providing they don't send children home with any information about the Boy Scouts. Smith said his decision was prompted by the local council's support of the Boy Scouts of America's policy of excluding both gay scout leaders and homosexual scouts. Dennis Prefontaine, a scout executive, who met with Smith earlier this month, was not available for comment. Smith said Framingham's schools have a strong commitment to respecting differences and diversity, and said the Boy Scouts' policy to exclude certain people is in direct conflict with those standards. He said he would take the same stance against any group that excludes people on the basis of race, gender, sexual orientation, ethnicity or sex. So far, Smith has not banned any other groups from disseminating information through the schools. "This is not targeted at the Boy Scouts," said Smith, who has been weighing the new policy since the high court ruling was handed down in June. "In fact, my hope would be that the local or national chapter would change their policy. I think very highly of the Boy Scouts and what they do for children." The U.S. Supreme Court ruled earlier this year that the Boy Scouts are permitted to deny participation of a gay youth or adult because they are a private organization, and therefore do not have to abide by laws prohibiting discrimination in public accommodations. If the Knox Council does change it's mind and decides to support the inclusion of all students, Smith said he would review the policy. John Roberts, executive director of the Civil Liberties Union of Massachusetts, said the School Department's new policy treads a fine line between upholding the rights of students and the Council's First Amendment rights to freedom of assembly and free expression. "It's a very interesting cut here," said Roberts. "It's a clash of constitutional principles." Because Framingham's School Department has a policy of inclusion, Roberts said it may refuse the Boy Scouts permission to hand out material on school grounds that contradicts that policy. But he said the department may not keep them from using school buildings. Smith said that is exactly the reason the decision was made the way it was. Smith said he spoke with school principals and members of the School Committee about the controversy before issuing the policy. He said they agreed that the Scouts' position fails to benefit students educationally or enhance the schools' curriculum -- key criteria of the schools' solicitation policy. Smith said it's possible that the School Committee might review the building policy that grants use of grounds and buildings to various groups. Currently the
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So Bill Ball - The Crap Stops here with the people - and we start by flushing that bunch out of our congress, white house and schools. Begin on a local America for I say this, you attack the Boy Scouts, you are attacking our children. If the queers want "boy scouts"..let them form their ownonly they will need to merge with their own little girl scouts.hard to tell who will play who. Now I was kicked out of the Girl Scouts for me, I do not like to be bullied by someone whom Iknow to be dumber than I am. So I quit - right before they called me down for calling the old bat Horse Face.Todoay I find Girl Scouts admit lesbians are are not involved with Boy Scouts..no wonder I did not like that bunch, and talk about stupid. So The Crap Stops Hererun on local levels, boycott United Appeals for these bastards make big bucks here taking big chunk off top. Boycott anyone who dares lay a hand on a boy scout..how many little homos do we have out there running around that really want to be a boy scout? No - it is the Boy Scout Leader who wants to symbolize the epitome of manliness - like Barney Frank. Remember that big yellow chicken on a football field or baseball field that punched out Barney? The big chicken got on TV, and he sat in a chair with his littls legs crossed and was asked - why did you do it. The big yellow chicken still in dress feathrs said because I was getting sick of that guy. That is how I feel now like Big Yellow Bird ready to tak a punch at some of these perverts - one in particular, a child molestor queer who wants to be boy scout to pay for his past indiscretions.Big Bird, Where Are You Now That We Need you.. So what will they do - put the boys in the girl scouts, and the girls in the boy scouts? Does that make sense? Like Janet Reno, where the hell would they put the bull moose Reno? Would you want your little golden haired darling in a tent with that oald bat all night? I know how some of these people operate for when I worked in a Court..you would someday see what I saw.and oh how they cry, when they get caughtbuying little children. A. Saba Dare To Call It Conspiracy A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
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BB wrote: Friends, This crap must stop - and immediately. None of the "organizations" and "authorities" who are now acting like gestapo agents against the Boy Scouts of America seem not to realize that they do not have a dime to distribute or control except for the contributions or taxes of thousands of citizens who very likely feel very differently. And, school "boards" and "authorities" had better listen up and come to a realization they are NOT in fact the Gestapo Headquarters in determining what rules, edicts and demands are to be followed by parents and students alike simply because they say so. Folks, you'd better start applying some very strong pressure to the authoritarian nut cases in our country who believe that they run things and decide whether or not "they" will support a particular organization, simply because these groups stand up for what we all know to be MORALLY RIGHT. School Superintendent Mark Smith desperately needs to be sent packing, as the first in a long line of despots who are not afraid to make these kinds of lunatic unilateral decisions which fly in the face of what every traditional American knows to be true and just. This crap MUST STOP. Bill Ball "schuetzen - RKBA!" wrote: On Sat, 02 Sep 2000 13:49:07 -0600, spiker [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Source: MetroWest Town Online: Framingham, Massachusetts http://www.townonline.com/metrowest/ School bans Boy Scouts recruitment http://www.townonline.com/metrowest/framingham/news/0-9097_0_school_090200_c029360308.html September 2, 2000 By MICHELLE HILLMAN NEWS STAFF WRITER FRAMINGHAM -- School Superintendent Mark Smith, reacting to the Boy Scouts' ban on gays, says he will no longer allow the organization's local chapter to hand out information or recruit members on school grounds. The chapter, called the Knox Trail Council, will still be able to hold meetings in Framingham school buildings, providing they don't send children home with any information about the Boy Scouts. Smith said his decision was prompted by the local council's support of the Boy Scouts of America's policy of excluding both gay scout leaders and homosexual scouts. Dennis Prefontaine, a scout executive, who met with Smith earlier this month, was not available for comment. Smith said Framingham's schools have a strong commitment to respecting differences and diversity, and said the Boy Scouts' policy to exclude certain people is in direct conflict with those standards. He said he would take the same stance against any group that excludes people on the basis of race, gender, sexual orientation, ethnicity or sex. So far, Smith has not banned any other groups from disseminating information through the schools. "This is not targeted at the Boy Scouts," said Smith, who has been weighing the new policy since the high court ruling was handed down in June. "In fact, my hope would be that the local or national chapter would change their policy. I think very highly of the Boy Scouts and what they do for children." The U.S. Supreme Court ruled earlier this year that the Boy Scouts are permitted to deny participation of a gay youth or adult because they are a private organization, and therefore do not have to abide by laws prohibiting discrimination in public accommodations. If the Knox Council does change it's mind and decides to support the inclusion of all students, Smith said he would review the policy. John Roberts, executive director of the Civil Liberties Union of Massachusetts, said the School Department's new policy treads a fine line between upholding the rights of students and the Council's First Amendment rights to freedom of assembly and free expression. "It's a very interesting cut here," said Roberts. "It's a clash of constitutional principles." Because Framingham's School Department has a policy of inclusion, Roberts said it may refuse the Boy Scouts permission to hand out material on school grounds that contradicts that policy. But he said the department may not keep them from using school buildings. Smith said that is exactly the reason the decision was made the way it was. Smith said he spoke with school principals and members of the School Committee about the controversy before issuing the policy. He said they agreed that the Scouts' position fails to benefit students educationally or enhance the schools' curriculum -- key criteria of the schools' solicitation policy. Smith said it's possible that the School Committee might review the building policy that grants use of grounds and buildings to various groups. Currently the policy allows all groups to use buildings regardless of whether they discriminate. Smith said he didn't know of any other school districts in the state that permit local Boy Scout chapters, which exclude
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So Bill Ball - The Crap Stops here with the people - and we start by flushing that bunch out of our congress, white house and schools. Begin on a local America for I say this, you attack the Boy Scouts, you are attacking our children. BULL CRAP. Like the crap you speak of. I was not a Boy Scout, and I was a child. If you attack the Boy Scouts, you attack an organization that hands the morals of YOUR GENERATION. Perhaps they are not needed anymore. If the queers want "boy scouts"..let them form their ownonly they will need to merge with their own little girl scouts.hard to tell who will play who. Now that is uncalled for. So have you formed "Gestapo Scouts" as Bill refers to, to help promote your goals. Now I was kicked out of the Girl Scouts for me, I do not like to be bullied by someone whom Iknow to be dumber than I am. Yeah, and now here you are, promoting your small militia type tactics to get what you want. Refer to my old post about having hissy fits when they don't get their way. So I quit - right before they called me down for calling the old bat Horse Face.Todoay I find Girl Scouts admit lesbians are are not involved with Boy Scouts..no wonder I did not like that bunch, and talk about stupid. So The Crap Stops Hererun on local levels, boycott United Appeals for these bastards make big bucks here taking big chunk off top. Boycott anyone who dares lay a hand on a boy scout..how many little homos do we have out there running around that really want to be a boy scout? Stop associating pedophiles with homosexuals. What is wrong with this world. I hate pedophiles as much as the next person, but a very small percentage of homosexuals are pedophiles. Most pedophiles like to touch children. Most homosexuals I know, are kind caring individuals who give to the community where they can and should not be associated with these sick individuals. No - it is the Boy Scout Leader who wants to symbolize the epitome of manliness - like Barney Frank. My mother always told me not to say anything bad to people, unless you have met them in person and got to know them. I have met Barney Frank, and he is not what you say. Remember that big yellow chicken on a football field or baseball field that punched out Barney? The big chicken got on TV, and he sat in a chair with his littls legs crossed and was asked - why did you do it. The big yellow chicken still in dress feathrs said because I was getting sick of that guy. That is how I feel now like Big Yellow Bird ready to tak a punch at some of these perverts - one in particular, a child molestor queer who wants to be boy scout to pay for his past indiscretions.Big Bird, Where Are You Now That We Need you.. So what will they do - put the boys in the girl scouts, and the girls in the boy scouts? Does that make sense? Like Janet Reno, where the hell would they put the bull moose Reno? Would you want your little golden haired darling in a tent with that oald bat all night? I know how some of these people operate for when I worked in a Court..you would someday see what I saw.and oh how they cry, when they get caughtbuying little children. Ohhh, A. what to do with you, you scare me, more than all of the homosexuals I know put together. A. Saba Dare To Call It Conspiracy A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with
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Friends, Number one, after reading your post here, I couldn't consider you to be one of my friends. This crap must stop - and immediately. None of the "organizations" and "authorities" who are now acting like gestapo agents against the Boy Scouts of America seem not to realize that they do not have a dime to distribute or control except for the contributions or taxes of thousands of citizens who very likely feel very differently. I don't know where you live, but in MA, many of the "taxpaying" citizens had no issues when the school board in Framingham passed the inclusion of "sexual orientation" in their discrimination text. And, school "boards" and "authorities" had better listen up and come to a realization they are NOT in fact the Gestapo Headquarters in determining what rules, edicts and demands are to be followed by parents and students alike simply because they say so. Yes, god forbid that the school board act as "Gestapo agents" like the rest of people like you. If we can all remember back to the Hitler regime and their "we are better than you" concepts, actions of the BSA start to strike home. Folks, you'd better start applying some very strong pressure to the authoritarian nut cases in our country who believe that they run things and decide whether or not "they" will support a particular organization, simply because these groups stand up for what we all know to be MORALLY RIGHT. The last time I checked, every person has the opportunity to attend the board meetings and speak their mind. Your concept of "MORALLY RIGHT" is very skewed. Perhaps individuals like yourself need to wake up. A new generation of young people have no issues with the need for individuality. They accept people for who they are, no some skewed perception of morals that your generation has created. And besides aren't morals created by the majority of a population. Your perspective is becoming less of a majority. School Superintendent Mark Smith desperately needs to be sent packing, as the first in a long line of despots who are not afraid to make these kinds of lunatic unilateral decisions which fly in the face of what every traditional American knows to be true and just. Now I am not a traditional American. All because I don't agree with your viewpoints. I stand back, view the situation, and congratulate Mark Smith and his school board for the decision that they have made. It is about time that people stand up for what they believe in, not some skewed perception of traditions and morals that your generation has created. I think like any human being, you are upset that the world that you helped to create for a younger generation is not going the way you like it, and now you are having a hissy fit. Remember that all parents have the choice to raise their children the way they see fit, and you have "options." Wow there's a concept. If you don't like the way the school board is running things, you have the option to withdraw your children, home school them, or send them to a parochial school. And if you don't have children, then sit back with me and look at other conspiracies the government is involved in that are KILLING OUR CIVILIANS, rather than wasting your efforts on something like this. Homosexual populations estimates range from anywhere from 5-10% of our population, and I can't see why the government would have an interest in increasing that population rather than getting itself involved in much more profitable and highly secret plots and conspiracies. In the meantime, STOP WASTING MY BANDWIDTH WITH "YOUR CRAP" This crap MUST STOP. Bill Ball "schuetzen - RKBA!" wrote: -- eGroups Sponsor -~-~ GET A NEXTCARD VISA, in 30 seconds! Get rates of 2.9% Intro or 9.9% Ongoing APR* and no annual fee! Apply NOW! http://click.egroups.com/1/7872/9/_/356655/_/967929292/ -_- On Sat, 02 Sep 2000 13:49:07 -0600, spiker [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Source: MetroWest Town Online: Framingham, Massachusetts http://www.townonline.com/metrowest/ School bans Boy Scouts recruitment http://www.townonline.com/metrowest/framingham/news/0-9097_0_school_090200_c 029360308.html September 2, 2000 By MICHELLE HILLMAN NEWS STAFF WRITER FRAMINGHAM -- School Superintendent Mark Smith, reacting to the Boy Scouts' ban on gays, says he will no longer allow the organization's local chapter to hand out information or recruit members on school grounds. The chapter, called the Knox Trail Council, will still be able to hold meetings in Framingham school buildings, providing they don't send children home with any information about the Boy Scouts. Smith said his decision was prompted by the local council's support of the Boy Scouts of America's policy of excluding both gay scout leaders and homosexual scouts. Dennis Prefontaine, a scout executive,
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There you go Mark, First of all the "ENTIRE" School Board decided this, and it was voted on. Secondly, now it appears, in your words, that the Framingham School Board as well as the rest of the normal world is out to get the BSA. Boohoo, I am being picked on. I would be interested to see what Powell would have had to say about this? -Original Message- From: Conspiracy Theory Research List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Mark McHugh Sent: Sunday, September 03, 2000 6:21 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [CTRL] School bans Boy Scouts recruitment BB wrote: Friends, This crap must stop - and immediately. None of the "organizations" and "authorities" who are now acting like gestapo agents against the Boy Scouts of America seem not to realize that they do not have a dime to distribute or control except for the contributions or taxes of thousands of citizens who very likely feel very differently. And, school "boards" and "authorities" had better listen up and come to a realization they are NOT in fact the Gestapo Headquarters in determining what rules, edicts and demands are to be followed by parents and students alike simply because they say so. Folks, you'd better start applying some very strong pressure to the authoritarian nut cases in our country who believe that they run things and decide whether or not "they" will support a particular organization, simply because these groups stand up for what we all know to be MORALLY RIGHT. School Superintendent Mark Smith desperately needs to be sent packing, as the first in a long line of despots who are not afraid to make these kinds of lunatic unilateral decisions which fly in the face of what every traditional American knows to be true and just. This crap MUST STOP. Bill Ball "schuetzen - RKBA!" wrote: On Sat, 02 Sep 2000 13:49:07 -0600, spiker [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Source: MetroWest Town Online: Framingham, Massachusetts http://www.townonline.com/metrowest/ School bans Boy Scouts recruitment http://www.townonline.com/metrowest/framingham/news/0-9097_0_school_090200_c 029360308.html September 2, 2000 By MICHELLE HILLMAN NEWS STAFF WRITER FRAMINGHAM -- School Superintendent Mark Smith, reacting to the Boy Scouts' ban on gays, says he will no longer allow the organization's local chapter to hand out information or recruit members on school grounds. The chapter, called the Knox Trail Council, will still be able to hold meetings in Framingham school buildings, providing they don't send children home with any information about the Boy Scouts. Smith said his decision was prompted by the local council's support of the Boy Scouts of America's policy of excluding both gay scout leaders and homosexual scouts. Dennis Prefontaine, a scout executive, who met with Smith earlier this month, was not available for comment. Smith said Framingham's schools have a strong commitment to respecting differences and diversity, and said the Boy Scouts' policy to exclude certain people is in direct conflict with those standards. He said he would take the same stance against any group that excludes people on the basis of race, gender, sexual orientation, ethnicity or sex. So far, Smith has not banned any other groups from disseminating information through the schools. "This is not targeted at the Boy Scouts," said Smith, who has been weighing the new policy since the high court ruling was handed down in June. "In fact, my hope would be that the local or national chapter would change their policy. I think very highly of the Boy Scouts and what they do for children." The U.S. Supreme Court ruled earlier this year that the Boy Scouts are permitted to deny participation of a gay youth or adult because they are a private organization, and therefore do not have to abide by laws prohibiting discrimination in public accommodations. If the Knox Council does change it's mind and decides to support the inclusion of all students, Smith said he would review the policy. John Roberts, executive director of the Civil Liberties Union of Massachusetts, said the School Department's new policy treads a fine line between upholding the rights of students and the Council's First Amendment rights to freedom of assembly and free expression. "It's a very interesting cut here," said Roberts. "It's a clash of constitutional principles." Because Framingham's School Department has a policy of inclusion, Roberts said it may refuse the Boy Scouts permission to hand out material on school grounds that contradicts that policy. But he said the department may not keep them from using school buildings. Smith said that is exactly the reason the decision was made the way it was.
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Nate Fischer wrote: There you go Mark, First of all the "ENTIRE" School Board decided this, and it was voted on. Secondly, now it appears, in your words, that the Framingham School Board as well as the rest of the normal world is out to get the BSA. Boohoo, I am being picked on. I would be interested to see what Powell would have had to say about this? I guess I should have focused on the whole board, then. My mistake. Again, what the hell happened to Mass? As for the "normal world" you mention, what are the boundaries of this place? It must be one of those coastal provinces. Thank God their mindset is not that of the majority. Boohoo, it's the PC herd that's the sore loser. BP probably would have called them Godless Commies or something like that. -- ´´ Mark McHugh Sapere aude! A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
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On 9/3/00 "Nate Fischer" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [A lot of mindless blathering deleted...] But the post, alleging to be from "Nate", is signed: A. Saba Dare To Call It Conspiracy ...who usually posts from a WebTV account... Inquiring minds wish to know... ;-) June A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
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On Sun, 3 Sep 2000 17:20:39 -0500, Mark McHugh [EMAIL PROTECTED] posted article [EMAIL PROTECTED], which said: Many facile authoritarians tend to focus on one thing because of their inability to deal with complex issues. In the instance discussed above, the Super doesn't seem too simple. He appears to be a smart schemer, depriving the Scouts of the right of speech and association by using a very narrow legalistic attack on those beliefs with which he disagrees. He gets to ignore all the educational benefits of Scouting, a key criterion of his school district's solicitation policy. I tire of the fevered egos that possess most of these censors. The solution, of course, is to start the Gay Boy Scouts. I wonder if it would cause the Boy Scouts and the Gay Boy Scouts to fight like the Catholics and Protestants fought in Ireland. Ty A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
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Involuntary wrote: On Sun, 3 Sep 2000 17:20:39 -0500, Mark McHugh [EMAIL PROTECTED] posted article [EMAIL PROTECTED], which said: Many facile authoritarians tend to focus on one thing because of their inability to deal with complex issues. In the instance discussed above, the Super doesn't seem too simple. He appears to be a smart schemer, depriving the Scouts of the right of speech and association by using a very narrow legalistic attack on those beliefs with which he disagrees. He gets to ignore all the educational benefits of Scouting, a key criterion of his school district's solicitation policy. I tire of the fevered egos that possess most of these censors. The solution, of course, is to start the Gay Boy Scouts. I wonder if it would cause the Boy Scouts and the Gay Boy Scouts to fight like the Catholics and Protestants fought in Ireland. Ty I believe the name "Boy Scouts" has some sort of legal protection. The gays could call their organization the Rump Rangers. ;) -- ´´ Mark McHugh Sapere aude! A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
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You want to know what happened to MA, it is one of those coastal provinces you refer to, where people actually get along with one another and refuse to become godless commies. Those of you out there who believe that homosexuals are sick twisted bastards who don't belong to the moral majority are the commies. -Original Message- From: Conspiracy Theory Research List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Mark McHugh Sent: Sunday, September 03, 2000 7:44 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [CTRL] School bans Boy Scouts recruitment Nate Fischer wrote: There you go Mark, First of all the "ENTIRE" School Board decided this, and it was voted on. Secondly, now it appears, in your words, that the Framingham School Board as well as the rest of the normal world is out to get the BSA. Boohoo, I am being picked on. I would be interested to see what Powell would have had to say about this? I guess I should have focused on the whole board, then. My mistake. Again, what the hell happened to Mass? As for the "normal world" you mention, what are the boundaries of this place? It must be one of those coastal provinces. Thank God their mindset is not that of the majority. Boohoo, it's the PC herd that's the sore loser. BP probably would have called them Godless Commies or something like that. -- ´´ Mark McHugh Sapere aude! A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
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June, It is I who posts, if you look at the header of the message. I just copied and paste the text from A saba;s message -Original Message- From: Conspiracy Theory Research List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Ynr Chyldz Wyld Sent: Sunday, September 03, 2000 8:25 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [CTRL] School bans Boy Scouts recruitment On 9/3/00 "Nate Fischer" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [A lot of mindless blathering deleted...] But the post, alleging to be from "Nate", is signed: A. Saba Dare To Call It Conspiracy ...who usually posts from a WebTV account... Inquiring minds wish to know... ;-) June A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] School bans Boy Scouts recruitment
On Sun, 3 Sep 2000 20:01:12 -0500, Mark McHugh [EMAIL PROTECTED] posted article [EMAIL PROTECTED], which said: I believe the name "Boy Scouts" has some sort of legal protection. The gays could call their organization the Rump Rangers. ;) Heheh... I think I've heard that name someplace before. Ty A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] School bans Boy Scouts recruitment
That's fine, NATE FISCHER - it is you who have chosen to make of me an enemy. I greet you as friend, and you announce to the world, like a typical liberal blatherer, that I am not so. Fine. YOU have made the choice. Your comments reveal you to be one of the crowd who gets their jollies by becoming round-shouldered from patting the current establishment on the back for their "great courage" and "strong stands." Hurray for you and them too, but since you seem to have about a 1% grasp of dictatorships, and the Hitler era in paticular, the citizenry LOVED Hitler, and openly wept tears of adoration and joy when that lunatic monster appeared in their midst, and they loved "der fuehrer" when he took a "strong stand," and decided for the nation what it is that they, and the state, believed and stood for. You would have loved the emperor's new clothes. Now, not to overlook the obvious, but every pro-American, conservative list seems to have it's one self-appointed "crap-stirrer" - who would rather foment discord amongst the members, than to have them realize the truth of what's going on around them. You seem to be the one on this site. Don't discuss the issues - kill the messenger. Maybe the Massachusetts explains it somewhat. To quote yourself, "The last time I checked" -- NOBODY DIED and LEFT YOU BOSS -- so why you feel it's your duty to be rude, nasty and attempt to bawl me out in public when I am only noticing the obvious, raises real questions about YOUR MOTIVES. You said In the meantime, STOP WASTING MY BANDWIDTH WITH "YOUR CRAP" You have subscribed to this site voluntarily - so stop your whining like the cry-baby you have demonstrated you are, and if you do not like me writing a commentary on another post, GET OUT!! Take your precious BANDWIDTH, There's the door -- put an egg in your shoe and BEAT IT !!! Your friend, Bill Ball Nate Fischer wrote: Friends, Number one, after reading your post here, I couldn't consider you to be one of my friends. This crap must stop - and immediately. None of the "organizations" and "authorities" who are now acting like gestapo agents against the Boy Scouts of America seem not to realize that they do not have a dime to distribute or control except for the contributions or taxes of thousands of citizens who very likely feel very differently. I don't know where you live, but in MA, many of the "taxpaying" citizens had no issues when the school board in Framingham passed the inclusion of "sexual orientation" in their discrimination text. And, school "boards" and "authorities" had better listen up and come to a realization they are NOT in fact the Gestapo Headquarters in determining what rules, edicts and demands are to be followed by parents and students alike simply because they say so. Yes, god forbid that the school board act as "Gestapo agents" like the rest of people like you. If we can all remember back to the Hitler regime and their "we are better than you" concepts, actions of the BSA start to strike home. Folks, you'd better start applying some very strong pressure to the authoritarian nut cases in our country who believe that they run things and decide whether or not "they" will support a particular organization, simply because these groups stand up for what we all know to be MORALLY RIGHT. The last time I checked, every person has the opportunity to attend the board meetings and speak their mind. Your concept of "MORALLY RIGHT" is very skewed. Perhaps individuals like yourself need to wake up. A new generation of young people have no issues with the need for individuality.. They accept people for who they are, no some skewed perception of morals that your generation has created. And besides aren't morals created by the majority of a population. Your perspective is becoming less of a majority. School Superintendent Mark Smith desperately needs to be sent packing, as the first in a long line of despots who are not afraid to make these kinds of lunatic unilateral decisions which fly in the face of what every traditional American knows to be true and just. Now I am not a traditional American. All because I don't agree with your viewpoints. I stand back, view the situation, and congratulate Mark Smith and his school board for the decision that they have made. It is about time that people stand up for what they believe in, not some skewed perception of traditions and morals that your generation has created. I think like any human being, you are upset that the world that you helped to create for a younger generation is not going the way you like it, and now you are having a hissy fit. Remember that all parents have the choice to raise their children the way they see fit, and you have "options." Wow there's a concept. If you don't like the way the school board is running things, you have the option to
Re: [CTRL] School bans Boy Scouts recruitment
Nate Fischer wrote: You want to know what happened to MA, it is one of those coastal provinces you refer to, where people actually get along with one another and refuse to become godless commies. Those of you out there who believe that homosexuals are sick twisted bastards who don't belong to the moral majority are the commies. Nate, are you looking at this as a "gay" issue? I believe it begins at a more fundamental level. The 14th Amendment to the US Constitution provides for EQUAL protection under the law, not greater protection. The 1st Amendment provides for freedom of speech and association. You're free to try and persuade people, but you can't legislate morality. It must come from within and every individual has his own philosophy, whether he knows it or not. I like Alexander Berkman's words, "No opinion a law--no opinion a crime." Accusing people of belonging to the Moral Majority because they have preferences unlike your anothers is puzzling to me. I don't mind gays, but why do I have to hear about it all the time? If it's truly about wanting equality, good, but if it's just mere lifestyle promotion, enough already. I'm not pushing my beliefs on others and I'd appreciate reciprocity. -- ´´ Mark McHugh It is far better to say "NO" with conviction than to utter a "YES" merely to please or, worse yet, to avoid trouble. M.K. Gandhi A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] School bans Boy Scouts recruitment
[EMAIL PROTECTED],Internet writes: I don't mind gays, but why do I have to hear about it all the time? For the same reason that gays have to hear about the heterosexual lifestyle all the time. It's part of life. A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
