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Does your momma suck eggs Ole? I posted it so many times so that for ONCE, it might sink into the paranoid style of mind that, by now any intelligent person ought to know that the Protocols are shear BUNK and SHAM, written most likely, in my personal opinion, by the Vatican and its Jesuit scholars typical of its millennial hate and propaganda against Jews. If half you nit-wits actually bothered to READ this forgery THROUGH - you would NOTE, that the HEROES of the PLOT are the Catholics and Jesuits!!! And amidst the pages of the Elders, these supposed dire-hard anti-Christ Elders tell us that they perceive the Vatican - who raped, pillaged, murdered, and persecuted their race all over the globe, as morally VIRTUOUS!!! Too laughable for any more words really! - Original Message - From: "Ole Gerstrøm" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, August 28, 2000 7:21 PM Subject: Re: [CTRL] Sv: Re: [CTRL] The Protocols of the Learned Elders of Zion Dear NSA, This is the fourth or fifth time you send the same mail. Are you a mason? Love, Ole Gerstrom, Denmark - Original Message - From: NSA [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, August 28, 2000 10:58 AM Subject: Re: [CTRL] Sv: Re: [CTRL] The Protocols of the Learned Elders of Zion The Protocols of the Elders of Zion More than once in the course of the last two centuries, anti-Masonry has been fused with an older hatred, hatred of the Jews, that is to say anti-Semitism. Probably, the irrational nature of both phobias facilitates their juxtaposition. Be that as it may, from the middle of the 19th Century, we are witnessing an increasing wave of simultaneously anti-Semitic and anti-Masonic propaganda. Possibly, the paradigmatic work of this class of "literature" is an opuscule entitled "The Protocols of the Wise Men of Zion" sometimes also known as "The Protocols of the Elders of Zion." This is one of the most well-known literary falsifications in history, based on plagiarism and fraud from the very beginning of its gestation. Nevertheless, this swindle has captivated the imagination of many people who are sensible in other respects, and it has been transformed into the "source of indispensable information" in the baggage of all the anti-Semites and anti-Masons. In this work, we will examine the history of this fraud, will demonstrate its absolute falsification and we will take a look at the lamentable consequences that it has had in modern history, as much of the point of view of the Jewish people, as of Freemasonry. Sources of information In the preparation of this work, I depended mainly on the works of three investigators: Professor Jose Antonio Ferrer Benimeli, who in his book "The Judeo-Masonic-Communist Conspiracy"1 dedicates a long chapter to the subject that occupies us (pp. 135-210); Norman Cohn, author of "Justification for Genocide"2, where it makes a history of the antecedents of the Protocols, its evolution and its consequences; and Herman Bernstein, author of "The truth on the 'Protocols of Zion'"3, where it not only relates the history of the mystification, but reproduces the complete text of the book of Joly (pp. 75-258), the text of the news articles that appeared in the London Times (pp. 259-264), the complete text of the Protocols (pp. 295-359), and other authentic documents. Also, I consulted other works to clarify or to add certain details, as the book "Must men hate?" of the North-American lawyer Sigmund Livingston4, who was the first President of the Anti-Defamation League of B'nai-B'rith, and who in his book adds an interesting personal testimony (pp. 39-49) to the meticulous relation presented by the authors mentioned before. All these works are included in detail in the notes at the end of this work. Antecedents The connection of anti-Masonry and anti-Semitism does not begin with the Protocols. Already on the occasion of the Dreyfus affair, that began in 1894 and continued intermittently until 1906, the French press and also that of other countries5 connected the Judaism of Dreyfus with the Freemasonry of many of his more loyal defenders. Still earlier, Father Agustin Barruel in his "Memory to serve the History of Jacobinism,"6 blamed Freemasonry (confusing it with the Illuminati of Bavaria) of being instrumental of the French Revolution (and also of being the heirs of the Templars). Although Barruel did not find historical data to allow him to extend his attack including the Jews (between the famous French revolutionaries there were no Jews), other later authors were not so punctilious, and did not have scruples in inventing what did not exist in reality. Numerous books published before and after the Protocols maintain that Judaism is at the origin of Free
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Dear Tenorlove, So, The Protocols are written by Rosicrusian. But then again I recall having read a claim by David Icke, that The Rosicrusians are a part of the Brotherhood and thus closely related to the Illuminati, if not just a branch of The Illuminati.This makes The Protocols a work of the Illuminati, and "the jewish connection," is simply a way to confuse the public. Love, Ole Gerstrom, Copenhagen, Denmark - Original Message - From: Tenorlove [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, August 27, 2000 4:53 PM Subject: Re: [CTRL] The Protocols of the Learned Elders of Zion --- Ole_Gerstrøm [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Some have argued, that it really is the plan of the Illuminati, Not Illuminati. Rosicrucian. They were based on a satirical attack on Napoleon III, called Dialog in Hell between Machiavelli and Montesquieu, by Maurice Joly. Joly was imprisoned for this tract. It was later picked up by people intent on discrediting the esoteric enclave which surrounded Tsar Nicholas II. When that didn't work, one Sergei Nilus re-wrote the piece into its current form. The original upon which the PLEZ was based was first published in 1884, thirteen years before the Zionist Congress in Basle from which the Protocols allegedly issued. And the original satire was written in French. The Basle conference did not include any French delegates. Why Rosicrucian? Joly was allegedly a Rosicrucian. He was also a close friend of Victor Hugo. Hugo exhibited Rosicrucian tendencies in his writings, and was allegedly a Grand Master of the Priory of Sion, a Rosicrucian-type secret society. Even AMORC, the modern Rosicrucian organization based in California, lists Hugo as a "Rosicrucian." Questions? Let me know, time to leave for work. __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substance-not soap-boxing-please! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'-with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright frauds-is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
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th about the Protocols, a literary fraud. 17 A Spanish translation was published as a pamphlet in Buenos Aires in 1954. 18 Ferrer Benimeli, op. cit., pp. 157-166. 19 Bernstein, op. cit., p. 49. 20 Ferrer Benimeli, op. cit., p. 148. 21 Ferrer Benimeli, op. cit., p. 143. 22 Ferrer Benimeli, op. cit., p. 144. 23 From "Ashkenaz," the name of Germany in medieval Hebrew. 24 Abbreviation of "Nationalsozialist." 25 Report by Alexander Zvielli and David Bar-Illan: "Calculated madness in a Turkish fantasy," The Jerusalem Post (Jerusalem), 24 July 1992. 26 Anti-Semitism World Wide 1995/6, University of Tel Aviv, Project of Anti-Semitism Studies, Tel Aviv, 1996. 27 Charles, op. cit., p. 34. 28 Charles, op. cit., p. 35. - Original Message - From: "Ole Gerstrøm" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, August 28, 2000 6:29 PM Subject: [CTRL] Sv: Re: [CTRL] The Protocols of the Learned Elders of Zion Dear Tenorlove, So, The Protocols are written by Rosicrusian. But then again I recall having read a claim by David Icke, that The Rosicrusians are a part of the Brotherhood and thus closely related to the Illuminati, if not just a branch of The Illuminati.This makes The Protocols a work of the Illuminati, and "the jewish connection," is simply a way to confuse the public. Love, Ole Gerstrom, Copenhagen, Denmark - Original Message - From: Tenorlove [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, August 27, 2000 4:53 PM Subject: Re: [CTRL] The Protocols of the Learned Elders of Zion --- Ole_Gerstrøm [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Some have argued, that it really is the plan of the Illuminati, Not Illuminati. Rosicrucian. They were based on a satirical attack on Napoleon III, called Dialog in Hell between Machiavelli and Montesquieu, by Maurice Joly. Joly was imprisoned for this tract. It was later picked up by people intent on discrediting the esoteric enclave which surrounded Tsar Nicholas II. When that didn't work, one Sergei Nilus re-wrote the piece into its current form. The original upon which the PLEZ was based was first published in 1884, thirteen years before the Zionist Congress in Basle from which the Protocols allegedly issued. And the original satire was written in French. The Basle conference did not include any French delegates. Why Rosicrucian? Joly was allegedly a Rosicrucian. He was also a close friend of Victor Hugo. Hugo exhibited Rosicrucian tendencies in his writings, and was allegedly a Grand Master of the Priory of Sion, a Rosicrucian-type secret society. Even AMORC, the modern Rosicrucian organization based in California, lists Hugo as a "Rosicrucian." Questions? Let me know, time to leave for work. __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substance-not soap-boxing-please! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'-with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright frauds-is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substance-not soap-boxing-please! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'-with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright frauds-is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi'
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Dear NSA, This is the fourth or fifth time you send the same mail. Are you a mason? Love, Ole Gerstrom, Denmark - Original Message - From: NSA [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, August 28, 2000 10:58 AM Subject: Re: [CTRL] Sv: Re: [CTRL] The Protocols of the Learned Elders of Zion The Protocols of the Elders of Zion More than once in the course of the last two centuries, anti-Masonry has been fused with an older hatred, hatred of the Jews, that is to say anti-Semitism. Probably, the irrational nature of both phobias facilitates their juxtaposition. Be that as it may, from the middle of the 19th Century, we are witnessing an increasing wave of simultaneously anti-Semitic and anti-Masonic propaganda. Possibly, the paradigmatic work of this class of "literature" is an opuscule entitled "The Protocols of the Wise Men of Zion" sometimes also known as "The Protocols of the Elders of Zion." This is one of the most well-known literary falsifications in history, based on plagiarism and fraud from the very beginning of its gestation. Nevertheless, this swindle has captivated the imagination of many people who are sensible in other respects, and it has been transformed into the "source of indispensable information" in the baggage of all the anti-Semites and anti-Masons. In this work, we will examine the history of this fraud, will demonstrate its absolute falsification and we will take a look at the lamentable consequences that it has had in modern history, as much of the point of view of the Jewish people, as of Freemasonry. Sources of information In the preparation of this work, I depended mainly on the works of three investigators: Professor Jose Antonio Ferrer Benimeli, who in his book "The Judeo-Masonic-Communist Conspiracy"1 dedicates a long chapter to the subject that occupies us (pp. 135-210); Norman Cohn, author of "Justification for Genocide"2, where it makes a history of the antecedents of the Protocols, its evolution and its consequences; and Herman Bernstein, author of "The truth on the 'Protocols of Zion'"3, where it not only relates the history of the mystification, but reproduces the complete text of the book of Joly (pp. 75-258), the text of the news articles that appeared in the London Times (pp. 259-264), the complete text of the Protocols (pp. 295-359), and other authentic documents. Also, I consulted other works to clarify or to add certain details, as the book "Must men hate?" of the North-American lawyer Sigmund Livingston4, who was the first President of the Anti-Defamation League of B'nai-B'rith, and who in his book adds an interesting personal testimony (pp. 39-49) to the meticulous relation presented by the authors mentioned before. All these works are included in detail in the notes at the end of this work. Antecedents The connection of anti-Masonry and anti-Semitism does not begin with the Protocols. Already on the occasion of the Dreyfus affair, that began in 1894 and continued intermittently until 1906, the French press and also that of other countries5 connected the Judaism of Dreyfus with the Freemasonry of many of his more loyal defenders. Still earlier, Father Agustin Barruel in his "Memory to serve the History of Jacobinism,"6 blamed Freemasonry (confusing it with the Illuminati of Bavaria) of being instrumental of the French Revolution (and also of being the heirs of the Templars). Although Barruel did not find historical data to allow him to extend his attack including the Jews (between the famous French revolutionaries there were no Jews), other later authors were not so punctilious, and did not have scruples in inventing what did not exist in reality. Numerous books published before and after the Protocols maintain that Judaism is at the origin of Freemasonry. We will mention Monsignor Leon Meurin, Archbishop of Port-Louis, Mauritius, who published in 1893 a book entitled "La Franc-Maçonnerie, Synagogue de Satan." The author says on page 260: "Everything in Freemasonry is fundamentally Jewish, exclusively Jewish, enthusiastically Jewish, from the beginning to the end."7 The historical truth, that can be found in any serious work on the history of Freemasonry, is that lodges were exclusively Christian in their origin, and only with the creation of the Grand Lodge of London (1717) began the process of de-Christianization, that culminated in 1813. At the time of the union of the two rival Grand Lodges of England, when the United Grand Lodge of England and Wales was created and rituals were again revised, eliminating from them the last remaining Christian symbolisms, the institution transformed into the universal vocation that we now know. It is worthwhile, as a side commentary, to remember that until today some Grand Lodges (especially in the Scandinavian coun
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Well NSAAYAM? Seems Masonry and Zionism does walk in same path - got to take another look at that dollar bill, or this one fiver I have with a certain date visible in foliage? Egyptians fed up with that pyramid stuff.someday they will discover what happened to the Titanic, and many pieces of great puzzle will fall together. So real question is, what is Zionism?Handfull of people with Napoleanic Dreams? Everthing is now ready for year 2001.unless fate intercedessaw a picture of a falling tower and it looked like the dome of the White House..more symbolism? A. Saba Dare To Call It Conspiracy A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
