[CTRL] Tesla Invented the UFO
-Caveat Lector- (1) By the early 1900s, Nicola Tesla had perfected not only non-mainstream energy systems and electrical motors but, in theory, also PROPULSION SYSTEMS using the aforementioned. (Tesla's published patents do include bizarre new types of vehicles.) (2) While his work was sabotaged and dead-ended in the US by the plutocratic elite (JP Morgan, Westinghouse, et al), its value was recognized abroad, especially by the Royal Society, the "think tank" charged with developing the Empire's own technology. (3) The Rothschilds and other lords of high finance had VAST wealth --more than JP Morgan-- available for investment in any "high tech" with potential -- and all in secret ... (4) RD for new technology need not be PUBLIC, and it need not ever be subject to public scrutiny, e.g., in a state-related (military) or corporatized "industrial" framework. (5) If such RD were to bear fruit in the form of new technological products (inventions), those products would be PRIVATELY owned, and if those PRIVATE owners operated internationally --TRANS-nationally, beyond the legal and political restrictions of any single nation-- no individual nation, and no individual nation's intelligence apparatus, would necessarily be privy to the "proprietary" information relating to these products. (6) Great wealth, such as possessed by hypothetical investors in and developers of this PRIVATE technology, could easily afford to maintain a PRIVATE system of SECURITY equal to, if not superior to, the intelligence services possessed by any individual nation. Moreover, that hypothetical PRIVATE security organization could afford to infiltrate and misdirect lesser intelligence organizations, making efforts at detection more difficult. (7) It took about a generation for Albert Einstein's seminal theorizing (in 1909 to 1915) to become the first manufactured, fully-functioning atom bomb in the mid-1940s, thanks to the efforts of numerous technicians employed by a GOVERNMENT in the top-secret Manhattan Project, many details of which are STILL classified, half a century later. (8) Had Nicola Tesla's theories regarding unique electromagnetic media of propulsion, first appearing around the same time, been taken seriously (outside the US) and been PRIVATELY funded, by parties unknown, a generation of hypothetical SECRET RD by the Continent's best minds would bring us to 1947 -- the first observed "flying saucer" ... Given Tesla technology, almost "magic" itself, who really needs "extraterrestrials"? Just trying out a hypothesis ... Anyone care to raise counter-arguments (contesting any of the assumptions given above in "logical" sequence), provide us with more detail about Tesla's "propulsion" and "vehicle" patents, or modify anything in this hypothesis? DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Tesla Invented the UFO
-Caveat Lector- Das GOAT wrote: (1) By the early 1900s, Nicola Tesla had perfected not only non-mainstream energy systems and electrical motors but, in theory, also PROPULSION SYSTEMS using the aforementioned. (Tesla's published patents do include bizarre new types of vehicles.) (2) While his work was sabotaged and dead-ended in the US by the plutocratic elite (JP Morgan, Westinghouse, et al), its value was recognized abroad, especially by the Royal Society, the "think tank" charged with developing the Empire's own technology. (3) The Rothschilds and other lords of high finance had VAST wealth --more than JP Morgan-- available for investment in any "high tech" with potential -- and all in secret ... (4) RD for new technology need not be PUBLIC, and it need not ever be subject to public scrutiny, e.g., in a state-related (military) or corporatized "industrial" framework. (5) If such RD were to bear fruit in the form of new technological products (inventions), those products would be PRIVATELY owned, and if those PRIVATE owners operated internationally --TRANS-nationally, beyond the legal and political restrictions of any single nation-- no individual nation, and no individual nation's intelligence apparatus, would necessarily be privy to the "proprietary" information relating to these products. (6) Great wealth, such as possessed by hypothetical investors in and developers of this PRIVATE technology, could easily afford to maintain a PRIVATE system of SECURITY equal to, if not superior to, the intelligence services possessed by any individual nation. Moreover, that hypothetical PRIVATE security organization could afford to infiltrate and misdirect lesser intelligence organizations, making efforts at detection more difficult. (7) It took about a generation for Albert Einstein's seminal theorizing (in 1909 to 1915) to become the first manufactured, fully-functioning atom bomb in the mid-1940s, thanks to the efforts of numerous technicians employed by a GOVERNMENT in the top-secret Manhattan Project, many details of which are STILL classified, half a century later. (8) Had Nicola Tesla's theories regarding unique electromagnetic media of propulsion, first appearing around the same time, been taken seriously (outside the US) and been PRIVATELY funded, by parties unknown, a generation of hypothetical SECRET RD by the Continent's best minds would bring us to 1947 -- the first observed "flying saucer" ... Given Tesla technology, almost "magic" itself, who really needs "extraterrestrials"? Just trying out a hypothesis ... Anyone care to raise counter-arguments (contesting any of the assumptions given above in "logical" sequence), provide us with more detail about Tesla's "propulsion" and "vehicle" patents, or modify anything in this hypothesis? Interesting theory. However, people should read Jacques Vallee's *Dimensions*, Keith Thompson's *Angels and Aliens: UFOs and the Mythic Imagination*, and Patrick Harpur's *Daimonic Reality*, which basically all point out that, whatever UFOs are, they have been with us for a *long* time. Kelly DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Tesla Invented the UFO
-Caveat Lector- whatever UFOs are, they have been with us for a*long* time. Why should there be a single explanation of what UFOs are? It seems to me that the odds are overwhelming that some UFOs are one kind of thing and other UFOs are something else. While I'm hesitant to dismiss out of hand an extra-terrestrial and/or "inter-dimensional" origin for some UFO, I am extremely skeptical. Occam's Razor dictates that we should consentrate our study on the hypothesis that they are of terrestrial origin, flown in secret by both governments and non governmental enterprises and organizations. Some are prototypes of new technology being flown in tests. Others we should be consider as part of a massive psy-op. The mass, instant pycho-social effects of Orson Welles's "War of the Worlds" was not lost on the power that be. Eleven months later Goebbles went on the radio and told the German people that the Fatherland had been invaded, not by Martians but (even more plausably) by Poles. The Germans fell for it hook, line and sinker. So if the "benevelent space brothers" land and proclaim they are here to help save us from ourselves and by the way meet their official (Nordic looking?) human representatives who will speak for them and should be obeyed, when they head back up the ramp to their saucer, check for a zipper up their back. They're probably not aliens; they're probably aryans, putting one over on us again. DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Tesla Invented the UFO
-Caveat Lector- I'm of the opinion that UFO's are actually interdeminsional/supernatural objects, and then you have the ones the "Government" created... Jamie -Original Message- From: nessie [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, June 28, 1999 9:39 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [CTRL] Tesla Invented the "UFO" -Caveat Lector- whatever UFOs are, they have been with us for a*long* time. Why should there be a single explanation of what UFOs are? It seems to me that the odds are overwhelming that some UFOs are one kind of thing and other UFOs are something else. While I'm hesitant to dismiss out of hand an extra-terrestrial and/or "inter-dimensional" origin for some UFO, I am extremely skeptical. Occam's Razor dictates that we should consentrate our study on the hypothesis that they are of terrestrial origin, flown in secret by both governments and non governmental enterprises and organizations. Some are prototypes of new technology being flown in tests. Others we should be consider as part of a massive psy-op. The mass, instant pycho-social effects of Orson Welles's "War of the Worlds" was not lost on the power that be. Eleven months later Goebbles went on the radio and told the German people that the Fatherland had been invaded, not by Martians but (even more plausably) by Poles. The Germans fell for it hook, line and sinker. So if the "benevelent space brothers" land and proclaim they are here to help save us from ourselves and by the way meet their official (Nordic looking?) human representatives who will speak for them and should be obeyed, when they head back up the ramp to their saucer, check for a zipper up their back. They're probably not aliens; they're probably aryans, putting one over on us again. DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substance-not soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Tesla Invented the UFO
-Caveat Lector- supernatural Nothing is supernatural. There is, however, much of nature that we do not yet understand. believe Believe is what we do when we don't know for sure. In short, belief is nothinhg morer than a hopeful guess, uually based on nothing more than hearsay. When I don't know for sure, and I absolutely have to guess, I don't believe; I doubt. This way I'm right more often than I'm wrong. DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Tesla Invented the UFO
-Caveat Lector- nessie wrote: whatever UFOs are, they have been with us for a*long* time. Why should there be a single explanation of what UFOs are? I don't believe I said that there was one single theory explainig UFOs. I suggested three excellent books to read on the topic. It seems to me that the odds are overwhelming that some UFOs are one kind of thing and other UFOs are something else. While I'm hesitant to dismiss out of hand an extra-terrestrial and/or "inter-dimensional" origin for some UFO, I am extremely skeptical. Occam's Razor dictates that we should consentrate our study on the hypothesis that they are of terrestrial origin, flown in secret by both governments and non governmental enterprises and organizations. Some are prototypes of new technology being flown in tests. Others we should be consider as part of a massive psy-op. The mass, instant pycho-social effects of Orson Welles's "War of the Worlds" was not lost on the power that be. Eleven months later Goebbles went on the radio and told the German people that the Fatherland had been invaded, not by Martians but (even more plausably) by Poles. The Germans fell for it hook, line and sinker. So if the "benevelent space brothers" land and proclaim they are here to help save us from ourselves and by the way meet their official (Nordic looking?) human representatives who will speak for them and should be obeyed, when they head back up the ramp to their saucer, check for a zipper up their back. They're probably not aliens; they're probably aryans, putting one over on us again. Or elves. They do the same thing - with quite a lot of glee. Kelly DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Tesla Invented the UFO
-Caveat Lector- Or elves. They do the same thing As does, so it seems, ELF. DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Tesla Invented the UFO
-Caveat Lector- Just trying out a hypothesis ... Anyone care to raise counter-arguments (contesting any of the assumptions given above in "logical" sequence), provide us with more detail about Tesla's "propulsion" and "vehicle" patents, or modify anything in this hypothesis? Interesting theory. However, people should read Jacques Vallee's *Dimensions*, Keith Thompson's *Angels and Aliens: UFOs and the Mythic Imagination*, and Patrick Harpur's *Daimonic Reality*, which basically all point out that, whatever UFOs are, they have been with us for a *long* time. Kelly Care to suggest that Tesla initiated the first 'human UFO', given that the Hindu Vimanas x000bc and reverend kirk in 1697ad in scotland suggest a long history ? Andrew Hennessey DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Tesla Invented the UFO
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 6/28/99 7:44:16 AM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: (8) Had Nicola Tesla's theories regarding unique electromagnetic media of propulsion, first appearing around the same time, been taken seriously (outside the US) and been PRIVATELY funded, by parties unknown, a generation of hypothetical SECRET RD by the Continent's best minds would bring us to 1947 -- the first observed "flying saucer" ... Given Tesla technology, almost "magic" itself, who really needs "extraterrestrials"? Just trying out a hypothesis ... Anyone care to raise counter-arguments (contesting any of the assumptions given above in "logical" sequence), provide us with more detail about Tesla's "propulsion" and "vehicle" patents, or modify anything in this hypothesis? Interesting theory. However, people should read Jacques Vallee's *Dimensions*, Keith Thompson's *Angels and Aliens: UFOs and the Mythic Imagination*, and Patrick Harpur's *Daimonic Reality*, which basically all point out that, whatever UFOs are, they have been with us for a *long* time. Kelly I think we are talking about the "modern" wave, the saucers and discs of this century, differ in some ways from older craft observed in the past. I think the hypothesis is a good one to explain the REAL, nuts and bolts things that fly in the sky of the late 20th century. Additionally one must state that Renato Vesco in his work on German UFO's of the second world war stated that much of that information went to the British! And that they had facilities in Canada to develop the tech, and that is why some of the earliest sightings of UFO's (modern ones, after W.W.II) were in the Pacific northwest (Maury Island, and Kenneth Arnold in the mountains of Washington State are a couple of examples). Yes, there were UFO's throughout history but there is a distinction IMO between those and what we have today, at least partly. The phenomenon which created UFO's in the past probably still accounts for some activity today as well, but we have other things in the sky as well. The phenomenon which created UFO's in the past may THEMSELVES be of a technological nature (i.e., nuts and bolts craft), remnants of a past EARTH civilization, no aliens necessary. These craft found hidden, or built using ancient plans (remember the Mahabarata, and the supposed war that Atlantis fought, and the air chariots of old that Kings and warriors rode in). All are avenues of exploration. Teo1000 DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Tesla Invented the UFO
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 6/28/99 10:39:28 AM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: whatever UFOs are, they have been with us for a*long* time. Why should there be a single explanation of what UFOs are? It seems to me that the odds are overwhelming that some UFOs are one kind of thing and other UFOs are something else. While I'm hesitant to dismiss out of hand an extra-terrestrial and/or "inter-dimensional" origin for some UFO, I am extremely skeptical. Occam's Razor dictates that we should consentrate our study on the hypothesis that they are of terrestrial origin, flown in secret by both governments and non governmental enterprises and organizations. Some are prototypes of new technology being flown in tests. Others we should be consider as part of a massive psy-op. The mass, instant pycho-social effects of Orson Welles's "War of the Worlds" was not lost on the power that be. Eleven months later Goebbles went on the radio and told the German people that the Fatherland had been invaded, not by Martians but (even more plausably) by Poles. The Germans fell for it hook, line and sinker. So if the "benevelent space brothers" land and proclaim they are here to help save us from ourselves and by the way meet their official (Nordic looking?) human representatives who will speak for them and should be obeyed, when they head back up the ramp to their saucer, check for a zipper up their back. They're probably not aliens; they're probably aryans, putting one over on us again. Excellent commentary, that exactly follows my own reasoning on the matter. Teo1000 DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
