Re: [CTRL] The Truth About Black Slavery And The Confederate Flag
-Caveat Lector- From: flw >However to claim the buyer was more economically motivated then >the seller is essentially racist..." Those dumb African Darky slave dealers... >outslicked by those crafty white European slave buyers". >>>If there wasn't a market, the slave dealers would have gone out of business... >>>June And if there were no slave dealers, the buyers would have filled their slave ships with coconuts. flw _ IncrediMail - Email has finally evolved - Click Here http://www.ctrl.org/";>www.ctrl.org DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion & informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html";>Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED] http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/";>ctrl To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] The Truth About Black Slavery And The Confederate Flag (fwd)
-Caveat Lector- I think the pendulum of talk about slavery swings to easily back and forth between black and non-black races. It would be better perhaps to focus on the institution itself, whereas it is the exploitation of people and the denial of human rights and values. Who is being enslaved is secondary to the issue of slavery and arguing over the extent of black (African) slavery as compared to other races is counterproductive to the essential inhumanity of the act, no matter the races involved. On Tue, 19 June 2001, Yardbird wrote: > > > In a message dated 6/18/01 6:16:51 PM Central Daylight Time, > [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > > > > If there wasn't a market for slaves amongst the European powers, there > > wouldn't have been a slave trade of the scope it grew to become... > > > > I don't know about that. The Arabs did a thriving business in buying and > selling Africans of all colors. OH wait, non black slaves dot count do they. > only black Africans have been scared for generations, if not eternity, by > slavery? > > No, non-black slaves don't count as they fail to register on the guilty > white liberal conscience. "Welcome to the desert of the real." Morpheus, in The Matrix "My God it's full of stars!" Dave Bowman, in 2001: A Space Odyssey Find the best deals on the web at AltaVista Shopping! http://www.shopping.altavista.com http://www.ctrl.org/";>www.ctrl.org DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion & informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html";>Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED] http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/";>ctrl To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] The Truth About Black Slavery And The Confederate Flag
From: flw >However to claim the buyer was more economically motivated then>the seller is essentially racist..." Those dumb African Darky slave dealers...>outslicked by those crafty white European slave buyers".If there wasn't a market, the slave dealers would have gone out of business... June Check out the nonstop beachparty at Alternative Kite Summer radio at: http://www.live365.com/stations/250951 _IncrediMail - Email has finally evolved - Click Here
Re: [CTRL] The Truth About Black Slavery And The Confederate Flag
-Caveat Lector- flw wrote: > > -Caveat Lector- > > >Slavery was first and foremost an economic institution. If you really > >want to understand what it was all about, you have to analyze the > >economics of the trade. > > That slavery was based on economics is self evident. > It ever was so, for 1000's of years. > > However to claim the buyer was more economically motivated then > the seller is essentially racist..." Those dumb African Darky slave dealers... > outslicked by those crafty white European slave buyers". > > The buyers of slaves condemned them to a life of misery. > The sellers of slaves condemned them to a life of misery. > flw You left out the Arabs who filled all three roles in the capture, the sale, and the ownership of Black Africans. A minor oversight im sure. J2 http://www.ctrl.org/";>www.ctrl.org DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion & informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html";>Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED] http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/";>ctrl To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] The Truth About Black Slavery And The Confederate Flag
-Caveat Lector- >Slavery was first and foremost an economic institution. If you really >want to understand what it was all about, you have to analyze the >economics of the trade. That slavery was based on economics is self evident. It ever was so, for 1000's of years. However to claim the buyer was more economically motivated then the seller is essentially racist..." Those dumb African Darky slave dealers... outslicked by those crafty white European slave buyers". The buyers of slaves condemned them to a life of misery. The sellers of slaves condemned them to a life of misery. flw http://www.ctrl.org/";>www.ctrl.org DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion & informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html";>Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED] http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/";>ctrl To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] The Truth About Black Slavery And The Confederate Flag (fwd)
In a message dated 6/18/01 6:16:51 PM Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > If there wasn't a market for slaves amongst the European powers, there > wouldn't have been a slave trade of the scope it grew to become... > I don't know about that. The Arabs did a thriving business in buying and selling Africans of all colors. OH wait, non black slaves dot count do they. only black Africans have been scared for generations, if not eternity, by slavery? No, non-black slaves don't count as they fail to register on the guilty white liberal conscience.
Re: [CTRL] The Truth About Black Slavery And The Confederate Flag
-Caveat Lector- Slavery was first and foremost an economic institution. If you really want to understand what it was all about, you have to analyze the economics of the trade. By far and away, the best book on the economics of slavery is Capitalism & Slavery by Eric Eustace Williams, ISBN 0807844888. Williams was a consummate scholar. He worked entirely from primary sources. His study went far beyond the slave trade itself. He examines in minute detail the role that the slave trade played in the rest of the economy world, and especially of England. He examines not only supporting industries such as ship building and shackle production, but also stuff that many of us might have overlooked. He draws from banking records, bills of lading, production quotas, etc. to demonstrate how virtually every aspect of the Englands economy benefited, directly and indirectly from slavery. He makes use of such seemingly unrelated statistics as cloth yard production records and quarry extract tonnage. He ties these together with real estate transactions, payroll records, contemporary newspapers (both articles and advertising) and records of parliamentary debate on such disparate matters as tariffs and naval procurement. Among his most fascinating lines of inquiry is to follow the fortunes of certain leading families, some of whom grew incredibly wealthy off of the slave trade without even ever becoming directly invloved. Among those who were directly involved, we find virtually every family of prominence in English society. Another of Williams more productive lines of inquiry is civic engineering. Not only was a great deal of the wealth of Englands ruling families derived from human flesh, but also the wealth of cities. He uses real estate transfer tax records, building contractors payroll, and receipts for the brick and marble of the still standing improvements on the land, to illustrate his thesis. Much of Englands finest architecture was mortared with African, and to a lesser extent Irish, blood. Many of Old Blightys victims rail against this nation of pirates, from whose fangs blood still drips. Most however, rely on anecdotal evidence, the more heart rending, the better. There is no dearth of such gruesome tales. There are more than enough bloody shirts to wave. But Williams foregoes the easy route. Instead, he condemns England with her own receipts. He proves beyond any shadow of a doubt that economic cornerstone upon which Englands wealth is built is slavery. The money it generated, both directly and indirectly, made England what it is today. Though it is a shadow of its former self, England is still an Evil Empire par excellence. That the core of its fortune is blood money, Williams proves beyond doubt. Williams himself is an interesting character. For a long time he was a professor at Howard University. Later on he served for a while as Prime Minister of Trinidad and Tobago. I never would have heard of the guy had I not read Redneck Manifesto by Jim Goad, ISBN 0684831139. Goads book is a truly excellent piece of sociology. It ranks with the best. I recommend it highly. He devotes an entire chapter of Redneck Manifesto toa condensation of Williams work. While the serious scholar will find Goadss condensed version no substitute for the original, it certainly does make for much lighter reading. By all means, read Goad first. But dont stop there. Go ahead and dig into his sources, especially Capitalism and Slavery. Take notes if it will help. Goad certainly did. No single book gives a better understanding of the enormously far reaching effects of slavery. Most work on the subject focuses on the moral, political and sociological aspects. That aint the half of it. As Williams makes abundantly clear, slavery transformed the world. Capitalism as we know it today could never have developed without slavery. Neither could have much of modern life. To think of slavery as something that happened in the past, and that is no longer relevant, is an attitude at odds with the facts. Its echoes can be seen, not only in the distorted interpersonal relationships that its legacy forces upon us, but also in the ledgers of every bank and most corporations. They are still making money with the money they made of of slavery. To understand them one must understand slavery. To do this, one must, as Deep Throat so succinctly put it, follow the money. http://www.ctrl.org/";>www.ctrl.org DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER =CTRL is a discussion & informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you re
Re: [CTRL] The Truth About Black Slavery And The Confederate Flag
-Caveat Lector- Disposable People: New Slavery in the Global Economy. Berkeley: University of California Press. By K. Bales, published in '99. http://www.ucpress.edu/books/pages/8428.html "As fine and accessible a work of investigative reporting as any of the best that have appeared over the last decade. Serious, impassioned, and unflinching, he has told a story that is too often ignored, and that, as he points out, shames us all."-- The National Post (Canada) "If you read no other book this year, read this one." --The Santa Rosa Press Democrat "Kevin Bales knows pretty much all there is to know about slavery in the contemporary world. In Disposable People he parlays a combination of fact and indignation into a compelling indictment of an aspect of globalism most of us prefer not to think about. This is a timely and important expose. Bales has cast a little light into a very dark place."-- The Globe & Mail "An insightful overview [and] a powerful exposé of human tragedy."-- Dallas Morning News "A numbing indictiment of our blindness to the new forms of slavery engendered by the global economy."--Kirkus Reviews "A book replete with both fascinating reportage and acute analysis."--Times Literary Supplement "At its best an empirically informed general discussion of slavery in the modern world economy." --Times Higher Education Supplement "Bales is to be congratulated for bringing the immensity of the slavery problem to our attention. News accounts have highlighted the horrors of child labor, of exploited women in the developing world and abuses of workers in Latin America, but Bales's work shows how widespread and multi-faceted are the many problems that lead to treating people as disposable assets."--Joyce M. Davis, The Boston Book Review "This sober, well-researched, pioneering study . . . is about the first to explore slavery in its modern international guise. . . . A convincing and moving book. One can only hope that it will draw some attention to the terrible phenomenon it describes."--The Financial Times "Blood-chilling facts and clear analysis."--Booklist "A gripping account of the major forms slavery takes around the world today, introducing enslaved people, their families, and entire social strata deprived of the most basic rights. . . . Disposable People is an eloquent plea. . . . Avoiding easy moralism and sensationalism alike, it discloses the daily soul-destroying brutality of slavery on our planet today."--Paul Rosenberg, The Christian Science Monitor "Because of globalization, Bales argues, every consumer is linked to slavery and the final chapter explains practical ways of helping to bring it to an end. Begin by buying this book-all proceeds go to the international fight against slavery."--The Sunday Tribune "The system is chillingly described in Disposable People. . . "--New York Times "Convincing, emotionally wrenching, and freighted with appropriate moral indignation, Kevin Bales's startling presentation shows us that while the general public is convinced slavery is a historical phenomenon of the ancient past . . . it is in actuality a widespread tragedy found worldwide and on a large scale. This book innovatively and usefully describes the permutations of an ancient tradition as it exists in this modern day and age."--Richard Pierre Claude, editor of Human Rights Quarterly "A timely and fascinating book . . . of crucial importance. Few people realize that the increasing globalization of the economy has led to the use of coerced labor in many parts of the globe. . . . Bales has traveled widely and has gathered a great amount of shocking and disturbing information."--David Brion Davis, Director, Gilder Lehrman Center for the Study of Slavery and Abolition, Yale University "A well-researched, scholarly and deeply disturbing exposé of modern-day slavery with well-thought-out strategies for what to do to combat this scourge. None of us is allowed the luxury of imagined impotence. We can do something about it."--Desmond Tutu DESCRIPTION (back to top) Slavery is illegal throughout the world, yet more than twenty-seven million people are still trapped in one of history's oldest social institutions. Kevin Bales's disturbing story of slavery today reaches from brick kilns in Pakistan and brothels in Thailand to the offices of multinational corporations. His investigation of conditions in Mauritania, Brazil, Thailand, Pakistan, and India reveals the tragic emergence of a "new slavery," one intricately linked to the global economy. The new slaves are not a long-term investment as was true with older forms of slavery, explains Bales. Instead, they are cheap, require little care, and are disposable. Three interrelated factors have helped create the new slavery. The enormous population explosion over the past three decades has flooded the world's labor markets with millions of impoverished, desperate people. The revolution of economic globalization and modernized agriculture has dispo
Re: [CTRL] The Truth About Black Slavery And The Confederate Flag
-Caveat Lector- Of course the issue here is a lot more complex than the origin of the slave trade and also as to races in slavery. But rather it is one of the decimation by imperialism of the entire African continent. Whether that domination is from within or without is secondary to the end result. Slavery has been an abominable practice for all of human history, it should be acknowledged as such rather than minimized by trying to blame the other guy. Every race has done so, and continue to do so, but much more stealthily these days. On Mon, 18 June 2001, Kris Millegan wrote: > > -Caveat Lector- > > In a message dated 6/18/01 3:06:12 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > > >Several of Africa's proudest empires were built on the > > > >sale of slaves. For centuries Africa's chief export was human beings. When > > > >Congresswoman Maxine Waters speaks of "my African ancestors' struggle for > > > >freedom," she doesn't know what she's talking about. Slavery was an African > > > >institution long before it spread to the South, and there was no abolition > > > >movement to trouble it. > > Gee, I guess there is no "history" of slaves being held by other races. > > What a crock of self-serving scholarship. And the gentleman should read more > than one book on slavery before baring his ignorance to the world. > > MHO > Om > K > > http://www.ctrl.org/";>www.ctrl.org > DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER > == > CTRL is a discussion & informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic > screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are > sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- > directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with > major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. > That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and > always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no > credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. > > Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. > > Archives Available at: > http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html > http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html";>Archives of > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ > http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/";>ctrl > > To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: > SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: > SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Om "Welcome to the desert of the real." Morpheus, in The Matrix "My God it's full of stars!" Dave Bowman, in 2001: A Space Odyssey Find the best deals on the web at AltaVista Shopping! http://www.shopping.altavista.com http://www.ctrl.org/";>www.ctrl.org DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion & informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html";>Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED] http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/";>ctrl To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] The Truth About Black Slavery And The Confederate Flag
In a message dated 6/18/01 6:16:51 PM Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: If there wasn't a market for slaves amongst the European powers, there wouldn't have been a slave trade of the scope it grew to become... I don't know about that. The Arabs did a thriving business in buying and selling Africans of all colors. OH wait, non black slaves dot count do they. only black Africans have been scared for generations, if not eternity, by slavery? My ancestors were being bought and sold a thousands of years before "this" episode of the slave trade. I guess I should demand reparations from the Phoenicians, Greeks, Romans, Arabs, Spanish, and French huh. BTW my ancestors were held as slaves--read indentured servants- long after its abolishment in the Americas. Roots Man
Re: [CTRL] The Truth About Black Slavery And The Confederate Flag
From: Kris Millegan >Gee, I guess there is no "history" of slaves being held by other races.>>What a crock of self-serving scholarship. And the gentleman should read more>than one book on slavery before baring his ignorance to the world.What the original post seems to fail to realize is that while it's true that Africans captured fellow Africans (albeit of different tribes than the tribe of those doing the capturing) to put into slavery, it was European traders who were doing the buying of the unfortunate captured Africans. If there wasn't a market for slaves amongst the European powers, there wouldn't have been a slave trade of the scope it grew to become... June Check out the nonstop beachparty at Alternative Kite Summer radio at: http://www.live365.com/stations/250951 _IncrediMail - Email has finally evolved - Click Here
Re: [CTRL] The Truth About Black Slavery And The Confederate Flag
-Caveat Lector- > -Caveat Lector- > > In a message dated 6/18/01 3:06:12 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > >Several of Africa's proudest empires were built on the > >sale of slaves. For centuries Africa's chief export was human beings. When > >>>Congresswoman Maxine Waters speaks of "my African ancestors' struggle for > >freedom," she doesn't know what she's talking about. Slavery was an African > >institution long before it spread to the South, and there was no abolition > >movement to trouble it. >>> >> Gee, I guess there is no "history" of slaves being held by other races. > What a crock of self-serving scholarship. And the gentleman should read more > than one book on slavery before baring his ignorance to the world. > MHO >> Om >> K It seems the above statement about Africa is historically accurate. I don't think Sobran ever wrote that only Africa promoted the slave trade. Of course slavery has always been practiced by Europeans in Europe. Thats where the word "slavery" (i.e. "slavs") comes from. Huge numbers of slaves taken as war booty have been transferred all over the world since ancient times. Many modern day Italians can trace their linage to Israelis brought to Rome as slaves after the Diaspora. A recent article revealed that some old English families have African DNA from African slaves brought to England by the Romans. Africans have also owned white slaves. The North African Moors owned large numbers of white slaves in Spain before the 15th century. We haven't even begun to discuss slavery in China (millions upon millions). As a matter of fact more white slaves aka "indentured servants" (5 million over 200 years) were brought to the North America then black African slaves. Probably over 25% of these white slaves suffered death and extreme suffering as "indentured servants." But of course millions of poor European serfs suffered the same fate without leaving their villages. Slavery and serfdom has always been an equal opportunity employer. flw http://www.ctrl.org/";>www.ctrl.org DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion & informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html";>Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED] http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/";>ctrl To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] The Truth About Black Slavery And The Confederate Flag
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 6/18/01 3:06:12 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: >Several of Africa's proudest empires were built on the > >sale of slaves. For centuries Africa's chief export was human beings. When > >Congresswoman Maxine Waters speaks of "my African ancestors' struggle for > >freedom," she doesn't know what she's talking about. Slavery was an African > >institution long before it spread to the South, and there was no abolition > >movement to trouble it. Gee, I guess there is no "history" of slaves being held by other races. What a crock of self-serving scholarship. And the gentleman should read more than one book on slavery before baring his ignorance to the world. MHO Om K http://www.ctrl.org/";>www.ctrl.org DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion & informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html";>Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED] http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/";>ctrl To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] The Truth About Black Slavery And The Confederate Flag
http://www.lewrockwell.com/sobran/sobran166.html Slavery in Perspective by Joseph Sobran The recurrent fuss about Confederate flags has always struck me as silly, and never more so than now. I've been reading Hugh Thomas's impressive history, The Slave Trade (published by Touchstone/Simon & Schuster). It's one of those books that shift your whole perspective on the past. Thomas covers the Atlantic slave trade from 1440 to 1870. It was a literally filthy business from first to last. More than 11,000,000 Africans were brought to the New World, while countless others-probably about 2,000,000 died of miserable conditions in the overcrowded ships en route. What I didn't know is that fewer than 5 per cent-about 500,000 of these Africans were brought to this country. Some 4,000,000 were carried to Brazil by the Portuguese, 2,500,000 to Spanish possessions, 2,000,000 to the British West Indies, and 1,600,000 to the French West Indies. All this puts something of a damper on the assumption that slavery was a sin specific or "peculiar" to the American South. The slaves had been Africans who were sold to European merchants by other Africans who had enslaved them in the first place. Several of Africa's proudest empires were built on the sale of slaves. For centuries Africa's chief export was human beings. When Congresswoman Maxine Waters speaks of "my African ancestors' struggle for freedom," she doesn't know what she's talking about. Slavery was an African institution long before it spread to the South, and there was no abolition movement to trouble it. When Europe banned the slave trade, African economies reeled. So it's rather comical for American blacks to sentimentalize Africa and stress that they are "African Americans" while cursing the Confederate flag as a symbol of slavery. Africa has a much better claim to be such a symbol. Slavery still exists there, in Sudan and Mauritania and probably elsewhere. As Christians, white Europeans always had a bad conscience about slavery. They wrestled with the question of whether Africans had immortal souls and natural rights. Even Southerners who justified slavery as a positive good felt that it needed justification. Pagans had no such qualms. They no more felt they needed to justify owning slaves than owning cattle. Slavery was a fact of life, and slaves could be killed, mutilated, and even eaten without compunction. In the Arab world African slaves were highly prized as eunuchs. They were used as guardians of harems and as civil servants, some of whom amassed considerable power. But many young African men died in the process because of inept or infected castration. The prevalence of eunuchs probably explains why African slavery didn't leave the Arab world with a race problem. Given this history, it's ironic that so many American blacks adopt Arab names to spite the white man and to achieve a supposedly independent "identity." Thomas indirectly punctures another cherished American notion: that Abraham Lincoln "ended slavery." Lincoln is mentioned only three times, very briefly, in the entire book. Against the huge backdrop of the slave trade, he was only a local, marginal, and rather tardy figure. By 1850 it was clear that slavery was doomed throughout the Christian world. But just as we exaggerate our role in fostering slavery, we exaggerate our role in destroying it. We Americans tend to be self-important even in our self-flagellations. The slave trade was so vast that a European might speculate in it, and profit by it, without ever seeing a single slave. Such distinguished authors as John Locke, Edward Gibbon, and Voltaire drew income from it. Voltaire was especially hypocritical. He took the self-serving view that it was less immoral for a European to buy Africans than it was for other Africans to sell them; and after denouncing the slave trade for years, he "accepted delightedly" when a merchant offered to name a slave ship after him. Thomas tells the whole story without much moralizing. He knows the facts speak for themselves, in all their horror and pathos: people stolen from their homes, robbed of their freedom and even their identities, often dying namelessly amid unspeakable squalor, with no families or friends to mourn or memorialize their passing. The ones who survived to be slaves in the New World, though unenviable, were relatively lucky. But in the end, the Christian conscience prevailed. Thank God. June 16, 2001 Joe Sobran is a nationally syndicated columnist. He also writes "Washington Watch" for The Wanderer, a weekly Catholic newspaper, and edits SOBRAN'S, a monthly newsletter of his essays and columns. Get a free copy of Joe Sobran's lecture, "How Tyranny Came to America" by subscribing to SOBRAN'S. See www.sobran.com for details. For a free sample of SOBRAN'S or for more information, call 800-513-5053. Copyright (c) 2001 by Griffin Internet Syndicate. All rights reserved. Slavery in Perspective.url
