Re: [CTRL] [barterman] [Fwd: [CTRL] The glorious capitalist free market economic system.]
-Caveat Lector- There was a man named Koresh who bought some land around Ft Myers in the early part of this century1920's or so I thinkmaybe earlier...he was way ahead of his time as concerns communion with the environment, brilliant I am told, but he required celibacy of his acolytes though he did not practice it himself. This always foments (?) revolt, and he is the only person in Floridas history to be stoned to death. He was giving a speech and he was killed by his flock. The state eventually gained the land through taxation and converted it into a state park, Koreshian State Park. Imagine my surpriseI didn't hear about this Koresh until after Waco and have only been able to piece together a few things. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Did I ever tell you about Kerry Thornley? I know I have sent his webpages to a number of people. Anyway, he made copies of old work-dollars that were turned out in the last century in one of the utopian movements then. Kerry added his unmistakeable touch by stamping them "make good money in your spare time." He also had some labels printed up which he left in odd places around town, that read "permanent, universal rent strike." He meant this to include mortgage and property taxpayers too, he told me. Everybody just stop paying for your space on earth - you have a right to it, he said. Nobody had a clue as to what he was talking about. ~Adrien Rain~ 10654 Russett Avenue, Sunland, California, 91040. ~(818) 353-7316~ --- ONElist Sponsor Share your special moments with family and friends- send PHOTO Greetings at Zing.com! Use your own photos or choose from a variety of funny, cute, cool and animated cards. a href=" http://clickme.onelist.com/ad/zing7 "Click Here/a LIGHT HAPPENS DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] The glorious capitalist free market economic system.
-Caveat Lector- One place to start might be with local currencies, such as the one in use in Ithaca, NY, which uses work as its medium of exchange--almost but not quite a barter system. It operates only within Ithaca proper, but could easily be extended. Such a currency encourages the growth of voluntary local community; no one need participate--you can still use the "official" currency if you want to. In addition, the "new" money carries an expiration date; in other words, you *have* to use it within a certain period of time in order to redeem its face value. Another crucial point to realize is that, during a crisis, normal social structures break down. There is, very roughly, a three-day cycle of crisis. During Day 1 and the first part of Day 2, *there is no government*--the people are forced to rely on themselves and on each other. This is the closest you will ever see to pure Kropotskian mutual aid. By the middle of Day 2, self-interest begins to reassert itself, causing mutual aid to break down; and Day 3 sees "government" in some form (often military) taking charge. HOWEVER, when a new crisis occurs before the earlier crisis has resolved, it is possible for mutual aid to remain in effect for a much longer period. Although the temptation is always for government to maintain the public in a state of crisis and uncertainty, this very tendency contains within itself the downfall of the government itself, because it will encourage the development of community institutions which function without any reference to the government. So...carpe diem, people! Seize the day! If government is incompetent, it's also irrelevant. Take matters into your own hands; create your own money; run your own lives. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Sunday, September 19, 1999 9:46 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [CTRL] The glorious capitalist free market economic system. -Caveat Lector- In a message dated 9/18/99 8:22:36 PM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: What should we DO? I'm more of a THINKER than a DOER, in case you hadn't noticed. I've got no easy answers, even for myself; but it's necessary, IMHO, to begin asking that question with a much more serious tone than we've been doing up until this point. I agree and the same is true for me. I think it is imperative that people start to DO SOMETHING, no matter how seemingly small or "insignificant." Sometimes this is enough to get the ball rolling, so to speak. DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] The glorious capitalist free market economic system.
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 9/18/99 8:22:36 PM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: What should we DO? I'm more of a THINKER than a DOER, in case you hadn't noticed. I've got no easy answers, even for myself; but it's necessary, IMHO, to begin asking that question with a much more serious tone than we've been doing up until this point. I agree and the same is true for me. I think it is imperative that people start to DO SOMETHING, no matter how seemingly small or "insignificant." Sometimes this is enough to get the ball rolling, so to speak. DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] The glorious capitalist free market economic system.
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In a message dated 99-09-16 18:54:02 EDT, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Could you give us some specific examples of what you suggest folks can do
against global corporationalists besides whine. Perhaps some examples of
what you,
specifically, are doing would be helpful.
I have no suggestions, at this particular point. But when I DID have
suggestions-- the most concretely practical program I could come up with-- 20
years ago, everyone with whom I discussed it recognized its value "in theory"
but weaselled out because it would be "too much trouble," demanding too big a
change in one's lifestyle, asking too many sacrifices of the things that are
REALLY important to people (never mind FREEDOM!)
I came to realized that 95% of people --ESPECIALLY those who "whine" and
"complain" about the increasing threat to liberty posed by State
totalitarianism-- really prefer the "security" of a prison to the effort and
the risks involved in becoming free. When a choice between the two becomes
inescapable, as a life-or-death dilemma, they might surprise even themselves
by WHICH alternative they actually choose. But no surprise to ME, because
I'm a student of history and the sociological precedents for making the
"wrong" choice are almost endless. So, you're on your own, I'm afraid. I'm
no longer in the "solutions" business. All my energy goes into just trying
to survive the times.
Are you suggesting armed revolt? mass suicide?
Use your own judgment. What will be, will be. Whatever happens, ultimately,
won't be due to any "suggestions," mine OR yours. Whatever *I* might think a
proper response is meaningless. Where do you see anybody acting on my
instruction or following my example? I'm not a leader and don't want to be.
Not MY job to decide for others.
BTW, which of the two, in your view, is more "mass suicide," ACCEPTING life
as one of the walking dead under a fascist dictatorship or dying in an armed
revolt AGAINST it?
Frankly, I'm a little surprised at this coming from you. In part, it sounds a
bit like Adolph's view of Germany's Jews.
Yes, I hope it WAS surprising! I INTENDED it to be shit-disturbing.
Rhetorically, it was rather exhilirating to speak through the persona of an
opposite type, looking at people through the eyes of those I consider my
opponents -- whose attitudes I know pretty well, from having had powerful
people confide in me and speak freely as if I were a "protege."
In the master/slave world of "us and them," I've several times come close to
becoming one of "them" ("them" from YOUR point of view) as one of "us," your
de facto Masters.
Due to my own moral and ethical values, I chose to REJECT that path and to
become instead an adversary and critic, a "traitor to my 'class' " as I was
once actually called!
Now, IRONICALLY, whenever I tell "prey" factually what our "predators" REALLY
think of them and say about them behind closed doors, they simply refuse to
BELIEVE it, instead persisting in the same delusions that MAKE them "prey,"
diehard "suckers" whose Self is so exasperatingly lacking that EVEN I begin
to feel contempt for them
and I have to consider, bitterly, after all this. that maybe I'd made a
mistake CARING.
Could there be anything more disillusioning than ACTING on one's highest and
purest motives, to genuinely try to "save" others ... only to discover that,
for the majority of people, ethics or principles is all just HYPOCRISY, a
game of WORDS and ONLY of words, and SINCERITY is the very thing that
"spoils" that game for them -- because it exposes, simply by way of contrast,
the deep, dark, dirty secret of hypocrisy CENTRAL
to their ego-structure? Nothing could be more ABSURD than trying to "save"
those who --come the test, with its just price-- in the depths of their souls
WANT to be "lost" -- as demonstrated by their choices, proving how COMMITTED
they are to HOLDING ON to the very conditions which cause them "suffering"
(or so they SAY) and from which therefore they want to "escape" (or so they
SAY), appealing to others for "help" in doing so. The true measure of
AUTHENTICITY in a person's desire to change (or to solve any social problem)
is their degree of willingness to ACT on that desire. Thus, if his or her
actions are more than fifty percent to the CONTRARY --OPPOSING feelings
(expressed in action) being stronger-- then it's totally hopeless -- such
division is SELF-defeating.
In most people, FEAR of pain and death (fear often of RISK, even of EFFORT)
is so much stronger than the DESIRE to LIVE--in any worthwhile sense-- that
there's not enough soul-stuff or will or PURPOSEFUL thought to justify even
thinking of them as HUMAN, as anything other than CATTLE. Where *I* differ
from our human predators
(like Adolf, to whom you compare me for stating this) is in wanting to CHANGE
that
condition in myself and others around me, rather than EXULT in it and PROFIT
from it by playing the game as the secret rules for "winning" require -- by
telling you only
Re: [CTRL] The glorious capitalist free market economic system.
-Caveat Lector- DasGoat has given us quite a large pill to swallow! I wish to state that many of his views are shared by me. In other areas of life it is apparent to me (he is coming from a political perspective for the most part, though not exclusively, my experience is sociologically, with people in personal relationships and group dynamics) that people really do, for the most part, fit the mold that DasGoat iterates for us so baldly and so correctly. People desire some indefinite change; "Let's get more freedom." (How is it defined? They don't know themselves.) "I hate the government, just look at what happened in (with). . . . Waco; Ruby Ridge, TWA800, the burdensome taxes, the terror tactics of the police, drug laws, mind control, media manipulation, the war in Kosovo, the bombing of Iraq, and on and on I could go. Each issue is not fully understood by those who cry the mantra of opposition. What do they want? They don't know, they just whine that "something's got to be done." Will they actually get off of their asses and DO something, ANYTHING AT ALL? In my experience the answer is NO. Now it is fair to add that in many, if not most or all, cases the people who do actually DO something are the first targeted with real weapons, be they physical, political, or emotional/manipulative. Having said that though, if one was REALLY serious about something needing to be done then the possibility, admittedly very real, of dying, or getting put away should be no cause for a total paralysis of action. That is the case in my experience, not as wide and impressive as MR. Goat's. DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] The glorious capitalist free market economic system.
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 99-09-18 17:53:25 EDT, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: DasGoat has given us quite a large pill to swallow! I wish to state that many of his views are shared by me. In other areas of life it is apparent to me (he is coming from a political perspective for the most part, though not exclusively, my experience is sociologically, with people in personal relationships and group dynamics) that people really do, for the most part, fit the mold that DasGoat iterates for us so baldly and so correctly. People desire some indefinite change; "Let's get more freedom." (How is it defined? They don't know themselves.) "I hate the government, just look at what happened in (with). . . . Waco; Ruby Ridge, TWA800, the burdensome taxes, the terror tactics of the police, drug laws, mind control, media manipulation, the war in Kosovo, the bombing of Iraq, and on and on I could go. Each issue is not fully understood by those who cry the mantra of opposition. What do they want? They don't know, they just whine that "something's got to be done." Will they actually get off of their asses and DO something, ANYTHING AT ALL? In my experience the answer is NO. Now it is fair to add that in many, if not most or all, cases the people who do actually DO something are the first targeted with real weapons, be they physical, political, or emotional/manipulative. Having said that though, if one was REALLY serious about something needing to be done then the possibility, admittedly very real, of dying, or getting put away should be no cause for a total paralysis of action. That is the case in my experience, not as wide and impressive as MR. Goat's. Thanks for "getting it," dude. As I hope everyone else has understood by now, my post was a "Devil's Advocate" piece, expressing sentiments that I don't ENTIRELY share (but share just enough to understand completely), to give you all the otherwise improbable experience of being addressed, face to face and with brutal honesty, by those on the opposite side of the equation reflected in Conspiracy Theory. An encounter with your "Shadow," you might say. There's something important EMOTIONALLY as well as INTELLECTUALLY to be learned from such a "wake-up call," the equivalent of finding oneself one day on a real battlefield in real war, stripped viscerally of all candy-coated buffers against seeing the life-or-death realities of the "law of the jungle," suddenly inescapably aware of what frighteningly thin ice the artificially manufactured oasis of "security" in our society really rests on. Better to face such a realization early, in order to steel oneself emotionally, than too late -- when already enveloped by it without any opportunity to prepare oneself fully for coping with the exigencies of "fight or flight." If it's any consolation to readers who may have felt antagonized by it, unfairly so, this "bitter pill" is something I MYSELF have to swallow TOO and it's just as unpleasant to ME. We can afford the luxury of being casually indifferent to the Serpent in our Garden, but NOT when the same creature we THINK we know rears its ugly head in full strength as a fire-breathing Dragon. As no doubt some of you do now too, I fear for the future of our nation and the fate of our (at least theoretical and tentative) "free society, and it's becoming REAL fear, gut-level, not just a sentiment in the head -- and I hope to God (or whatever the operative determinative of space, time and personal fate is)-- that we, all of us, can be spared the ordeal of experiencing life as it can be in a worst case scenario. What should we DO? I'm more of a THINKER than a DOER, in case you hadn't noticed. I've got no no easy answers, even for myself; but it's necessary, IMHO, to begin asking that question with a much more serious tone than we've been doing up until this point. DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] The glorious capitalist free market economic system.
-Caveat Lector- Yesthe first time I watched a python feed I had this stark revelationsupposing the spine and the core of our brain are basically serpentine, and the rest of us has been built outward from that core machine, or we formed that way, whatever, but if that is the very core of us, its no damned wonder we are the greatest meat eaters that ever lived. True cunning far surpasses all resources and brute strength. Light Do Happen. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -Caveat Lector- You say "supporting causes or individuals" does not seems to be...working. Believe me it IS WORKING. I can remember the 1960's when a mere handful of writers, and organi zations., were at work., and 99% of citizens laughed at conspiracy. Its a different world today...one poll I read listed 70% of Americans believe there is some kind of conspiracy. The debate to day is more like is it stupidity, greed or conspiracy?. It got to this point only because anonymous citizens out there did their part.t. We may not see any dramatic effect but believe me the change is there. The only way I can measure it quantitatively is the number of letters, E mails I receive and books sold. But there are now scores of writers, maybe hundreds, over seas as well. The revolution is a creeping revolution, quiet and slow. Thats the best way. ASU. DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] The glorious capitalist free market economic system.
-Caveat Lector- [Note: the following addressed to no one in particular, to everyone in general.] In a message dated 99-09-15 08:29:29 EDT, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Your Congress likes it the way it is. The corporate elite like it the way it is. When are you all going to believe that those who have don't care at all about the have nots? They really don't. They would hope that not all of them die at one time, because the stench is annoying, but otherwise, they don't care about the poor, the hungry, the children or the infirm. They really, really don't. How true. But to give the devil his due, how on earth COULD anyone who is privileged, rich, and powerful have any concern --much less respect-- for those who are SO gullible and thick-witted, SO lazy, SO timid, SO lacking in the basic survival instincts that one finds even in the lowliest insect, that they are perfectly willing to ACCEPT not just years but centuries and even millennia of enslavement to the likes of THEM -- a quite readily identifiable CRIMINAL class, which owes all it has to its ability to lie, steal, cheat and kill without hesitation or remorse, with no camouflage greater than DISSIMULATION, simply PRETENDING that what they are doing is NOT that but indeed the OPPOSITE? Self-deluding FOOLS are unworthy of respect. WEAKLINGS incapable of self-defense are unworthy of respect. Proud, self-righteous HYPOCRITES are unworthy of respect. ASS-KISSERS and BUCK-PASSERS are unworthy of respect. This recital of negative human characteristics unworthy of anything but CONTEMPT could go almost endlessly, and these descriptions, my friends, can be accurately applied to OURSELVES -- for if it were NOT true, how can you explain the incredible phenomenon of our SUBJECTION to a class of moral monstrosities, these ugliest of human predators whom we, their prey, HONOR rather than DESPISE and reward with the POWER to rule us --power WE give them, abdicating OUR power-- instead of EXTERMINATING them? In that context, it's only FAIR they should give us no respect, not care about us, and laugh at us in scorn. You don't like your lot in life? Ready to blame social conditions on someone else? Remember, "You can't cheat an honest man." "Never give a SUCKER an even break" -- and just take a good, solid look at yourselves -- "There's a FOOL born every minute." Oh, you're certain that doesn't apply to YOU? That's the surest sign that it DOES. You get what you DESERVE. Deal with it, or else shut up and live with it, honestly. If you want to be respected as a human being, ACT like a human being -- instead of as some faithful dog settling for scraps from your master's table, even licking his boots in gratitude. Until then, you have nothing --absolutely NOTHING!-- deserving of respect. If you have no rights, no power, that CAN'T be taken away by others --ESPECIALLY by the rich and powerful-- you have NO rights, EXCEPT those which the rich and powerful choose to ALLOW you, at whim. Rights GIVEN you can be as easily TAKEN AWAY, by the same people -- those you should hate instead of revere, if you weren't a FOOL. If you have no POWER that isn't likewise "permitted" by OTHERS, you really, truly, in brutal honesty, have NO POWER AT ALL. You're living on "luck," on borrowed time. Talk is cheap, and "thought" is simply talking to yourself out loud -- as if it mattered! Reality is ACTION -- and action in the REAL world operates according to laws that are as coldly indifferent to your "opinion" of them as is gravity, as is anything in NATURE. The REAL world is all around you, even WITHIN you, if only you dared PERCEIVE it ... But no, you prefer to live in a FANTASY -- a fantasy that, like everything else, is not even YOUR fantasy, but something "granted" you by OTHERS more brutally REAL. Stupidity, laziness, and cowardice exact a PRICE -- and a CUMULATIVE price at that, so long as you persist in being "human" only at second hand, vicariously, your "self" consisting of nothing but hand-me-downs from OTHERS, generation after generation. Hand-me-down thoughts, hand-me-down feelings, hand-me-down CIRCUMSTANCES (the consequences of individual ACTION, of which INaction is just a disguised form), even hand-me-down PERCEPTIONS, predetermined by others, serving THEIR agenda. Meanwhile, spare the "unjustly" privileged rich and powerful all your insignificant and irrelevant criticism -- your whining, complaining, and other vocalized "mental" noises echoing in your effectless unreality, defined only by an ABSENCE of human BE-ING. "Shit or get off the pot." Flatulence alone CANNOT move mountains. Find yourself a shovel. That's a START, at least. The world won't budge until you finally get off your ass and sweat real sweat ... And if even THAT is still "too much" for you --excuses, excuses!-- DON'T complain if the shovel in SOMEONE ELSE's hand is used AGAINST you, as a WEAPON, whacking you on your damned fool head. You're just in the way. DECLARATION
Re: [CTRL] The glorious capitalist free market economic system.
-Caveat Lector- History bears out that the time will come for people deciding to take charge of their own destinies. In the next century, the behemoth will over extend and such will be easy. In the meantime, Das GOAT, we need not attack ANYONE for merely stating a fact. That only contributes to further hesitation to state facts in the future and only serves ignorance, as a result. BTW, not being among those that brazenly exploit and subjugate does not make me one of the "readily identifiable criminal class." Are you forgetting who the true criminals are? __ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
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-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 99-09-16 12:25:11 EDT, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: BTW, not being among those that brazenly exploit and subjugate does not make me one of the "readily identifiable criminal class." sigh You totally missed the point of my "devil's advocate" upbraiding. Are you forgetting who the true criminals are? No -- I made it very plain who they are -- and, more importantly, WHY they are ... The main point (implied) was: "SO? Now, what are you going to DO about it?" DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
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-Caveat Lector- On 16 Sep 99, , Das wrote: Meanwhile, spare the "unjustly" privileged rich and powerful all your insignificant and irrelevant criticism -- your whining, complaining, and other vocalized "mental" noises echoing in your effectless unreality, defined only by an ABSENCE of human BE-ING. "Shit or get off the pot." Flatulence alone CANNOT move mountains. Find yourself a shovel. That's a START, at least. The world won't budge until you finally get off your ass and sweat real sweat ... And if even THAT is still "too much" for you --excuses, excuses!-- DON'T complain if the shovel in SOMEONE ELSE's hand is used AGAINST you, as a WEAPON, whacking you on your damned fool head. You're just in the way. Could you give us some specific examples of what you suggest folks can do against global corporationalists besides whine. Perhaps some examples of what you, specifically, are doing would be helpful. Supporting causes or individuals who espouse causes that might stem the tide does not seem to be having a lot of impact. Are you suggesting armed revolt? mass suicide? Frankly, I'm a little surprised at this coming from you. In part, it sounds a bit like Adolph's view of Germany's Jews. sno0wl DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
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-Caveat Lector- You say "supporting causes or individuals" does not seems to be...working. Believe me it IS WORKING. I can remember the 1960's when a mere handful of writers, and organi zations., were at work., and 99% of citizens laughed at conspiracy. Its a different world today...one poll I read listed 70% of Americans believe there is some kind of conspiracy. The debate to day is more like is it stupidity, greed or conspiracy?. It got to this point only because anonymous citizens out there did their part.t. We may not see any dramatic effect but believe me the change is there. The only way I can measure it quantitatively is the number of letters, E mails I receive and books sold. But there are now scores of writers, maybe hundreds, over seas as well. The revolution is a creeping revolution, quiet and slow. Thats the best way. ASU. DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
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-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 09/12/1999 6:09:16 PM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: "Compassionate" hand wringing won't solve the problem The problem is that we live in a Fascistic/ Socialistic / Corporate State. Socialist Corporate Capitalism is not free market. Your Congress likes it the way it is. The corporate elite like it the way it is. When are you all going to believe that those who have don't care at all about the have nots? They really don't. They would hope that not all of them die at one time, because the stench is annoying, but otherwise, they don't care about the poor, the hungry, the children or the infirm. They really, really don't. Prudy DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
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-Caveat Lector- NLIHC Releases Annual Rental Housing Affordability Study Source: http://www.nlihc.org Minimum Wage Workers Unable to Afford Rent Anywhere in Nation What kind of human being are you really if you can advocate for this system? Christians? Liberals? Libertarians? Taxpayers? Workers? Joshua2 "Compassionate" hand wringing won't solve the problem. The problem is that we live in a Fascistic/ Socialistic / Corporate State. Socialist Corporate Capitalism is not free market. Obviously requires a "12 Step Program" like all remedies to cure irrational, compulsive behavior. Step #1. End mass immigration which lowers the standard of living for the bottom wage earners (and maintains the foreign oligarchies by sending us their dissatisfied instead of making them stay home and kick ass.) Step#2. Terminate the Federal Reserve which turns the national ecomony into a private capitalistic / socialistic club for the Corporate Elite and their Politicopathic Flunkies. Step#3. End the education monopoly by Government Schools. Teach kids to read, write and add instead of teaching them to be Corporate Cogs and Dumb Compliant Proletariat. Step#4. (Your Turn). flw DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
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-Caveat Lector- What kind of human being are you really if you can advocate for this system? Christians? Liberals? Libertarians? Taxpayers? Workers? Joshua2 === NLIHC Releases Annual Rental Housing Affordability Study Source: http://www.nlihc.org Minimum Wage Workers Unable to Afford Rent Anywhere in Nation Today, Thursday, September 9, at 2:15 p.m. in S-207 of the U.S. Capitol, the National Low Income Housing Coalition (NLIHC) will release "Out of Reach: The Gap Between Housing Costs and Income of Poor People in the United States." The report is an analysis of the relationship between rental housing costs and incomes in every state and local jurisdiction in the United States. The research finds that nowhere in the country can a full time minimum wage worker afford the cost of housing at the fair market rent. NLIHC President Dr. Sheila Crowley, and Cushing N. Dolbeare, Founder and Chair Emeritus of NLIHC and author of the report, will be joined by Secretary of Housing and Urban Development Andrew Cuomo, Senators Edward M. Kennedy (D-MA) and John Kerry (D-MA), Rep. David Bonior (D-MI), and Steve Coyle, CEO of the AFL-CIO Housing Investment Trust in releasing the report. At a time when Congress is considering both a minimum wage increase, and cuts to proposed housing subsidies for the poor, Out of Reach demonstrates the need for action at the federal level to close the gap between wages and housing costs in the U.S. The report is available on the NLIHC website, at http://www.nlihc.org, and can be ordered for $35 (non-NLHC members) or $25 (NLIHC members) from [EMAIL PROTECTED] The Grassroots Media Network http://www.onr.com/user/gnn To recieve daily general news or queer news posts please send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with "add me to gnnnews" (for general news) or "add me to queernews" (for queer news) in the subject line. The GMN supports the following organizations: http://www.koop.org - KOOP Radio http://www.koop.org/news.html - KOOP Daily News http://www.onr.com/user/gnn/comite - Comité de Solidaridad con Chiapas y México http://www.onr.com/user/gnn/film - Grassroots Film Video Festival Pueblos Unidos Community Center The Tejano Artists Museum *Grassroots Media Network, Grassroots News Network, Queer News Network, Grassroots Film Video Festival, Grassroots Culture Jam, and Theoretical Ammo are trademarks of the Grassroots Media Network DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
