Re: [CTRL] USNewsWorldReport: Scientists are scanning the brain for traces of guilty knowledge.htm

2001-07-15 Thread Aleisha Saba

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Now this is a great idea; however I am thinking of this man they once
called the Hoodlum Priest who said in essense, they are putting the
wrong people in jail.

Imagine our congress and senaate being brain scanned - it would be the
House of Horrors..imagine a Condit on TV and his brain scanned.

All public officials who would if the thing goes much further, be
subjected to brain scans, the first being the keeper of the keyes - the
Police.

Wouldn't it be fun if this scanner stuff became like say a toy, as all
good thing eventually do, and our kids could scan a Clinton?   Or Holy
Joe Lieberman and see if this man who said God 19 times in 15 minutes or
so is a righteous man?

Imagine even further - for things such as this are too good to be true;
if these idiots want to scan 6 billion people a year its okay with me
for I have nothing to hide - but I would venture to say that if Congress
ever got involved in some of this stuff - they would be the first to put
a halt, to such nonsense.

For as F. Scott Fitzgerald wrote it the dark of the soul it is always
three o'clock in the morning..

Oh what a hangover - like June riding on the rear seat of a motorcycle?

What fun we will all have someday; yet they overlook the most obvious -
you do not need all that crap - a little sodium penethol is a lot
cheaper.

Now say someday someone would drop a bit of that stuff in the water
drinking system of NBC  prior to the - you know the more I think of this
stuff - this brain scanning is wonderful, for you would find there are
more crooks who should be in jail who hold the keys to the kingdom.

Saba

Imagine - Meet the Press, a few drops of sodium penethol in he
water?

It works - it really does, you would see people spilling their guts and
the American Public could sit back and watch the show for that is Show
Biz, right?

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Re: [CTRL] USNewsWorldReport: Scientists are scanning the brain for traces of guilty knowledge.htm

2001-07-15 Thread YnrChyldzWyld

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On Sun, 15 Jul 2001, Aleisha Saba wrote:
Oh what a hangover - like June riding on the rear seat of a motorcycle?

At 34-24-36, the only thing that hungover when I rode on the back of a
bike were my very shapely legs...

Kris, why is Saba allowed to make continue to make these personal
insults?  Seems to me a 'rule' should be applied to ALL parties...



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[CTRL] USNewsWorldReport: Scientists are scanning the brain for traces of guilty knowledge.htm

2001-07-14 Thread MIKE SPITZER

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http://www.brainwavescience.com/USNews101.htm


Excerpt from:

US News and World Report
Science  Ideas
1/15/01

Truth and consequences

Scientists are scanning the brain for traces of guilty knowledge

By Nell Boyce


On July 22, 1977, the body of retired police Captain John Schweer lay
bleeding on a railroad track in Council Bluffs, Iowa. Blame for the murder
fell on teenager Terry Harrington, who has spent over two decades in a
state
penitentiary protesting his innocence. Now Harrington says he finally has
proof that exonerates him. A new technology called brain fingerprinting
suggests that Harrington's brain doesn't contain memories of the crime
scene, but it does recognize specific details about the concert he says he
attended on that fateful night.

Reading someone's memories through a helmet of electrodes sounds like
science fiction. But surprisingly, scientists say they can do just that.
The
Harrington case is the first time lawyers have ever submitted such brain
measurements to a U.S. court, and within days a judge will either reject
them as junk science or accept them as evidence that could help reopen
Harrington's case…

The brain fingerprinting technique used on Harrington was developed by
Lawrence Farwell, a scientist and businessman at Brain Wave Science in
Fairfield, Iowa. Farwell's technique exploits a signal that the brain emits
when it perceives something familiar.

If a person watches random numbers flash on a screen, for example, the
brain
will suddenly show a distinctive electrical response called the P300 if
personal information like a home phone number pops up. Scientists have
known
about the P300 response for decades, but no one has tried to apply it in a
real-world criminal situation. Farwell believes it is valid in the
Harrington case because he found details about the crime and Harrington's
alibi that weren't in court transcripts or newspapers. For example, the
murderer escaped by running behind a building through waist-high weeds and
grass. According to Farwell, the real murderer would remember tearing
through this thick underbrush. But when Farwell showed Harrington a photo
of
the building, the convict said he didn't know what lay behind it. And when
presented with words such as cement and blacktop, sand and gravel, and
weeds and grass, Harrington had no special brain response to the correct
answer.


Lacking knowledge

The test isn't a lie detector and doesn't prove Harrington's innocence,
Farwell says. But Harrington does not have certain critical details about
the crime stored in his brain. A judge or jury must decide how they're
going
to interpret that.…

Yet those who feel they've been wrongly imprisoned will embrace any new
technology that might set them free. I have many, many requests from
people
on death row and people in law enforcement, says Farwell. I think in many
of these cases, we'll be able to shed some light on what they do or do not
know about the crime. Eventually, brain fingerprinting and other new
methods will likely find their way into courtrooms, where it will then be
up
to judges and jurors to decide where the truth lies.


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Re: [CTRL] USNewsWorldReport: Scientists are scanning the brain for traces of guilty knowledge.htm

2001-07-14 Thread Nessie

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I reported this six months ago. See:

http://www.sfbg.com/nessie/36.html


Scroll down to the line:

Can they read minds?


Click on the word minds. That will take you to this article. When you
get to the bottom, be sure to click on return and read the rest of the
site. It'll sure give you something to think about. The mere fact that
brain research has progressed this far (in public) and in this
direction, speaks volumes. 

You should also check out The Age of Spiritual Machines
(http://www.penguinputnam.com/kurzweil) (ISBN 0-14-02-8202-5) by premier
Artificial Intelligence maven Ray Kurzweil
(http://www.kurzweiltech.com/ktiflash.html). Ray Kurzweil more than just
another futurist. If the patents he holds are any indication, he is the
Thomas Edison of Artificial Intelligence. His predictions in the field
are not to be taken lightly. So far, he has almost always been right. He
has some very, very interesting things to say about the near future of
brain scanning. 

After reading Kurzweil, my best guess is that Farwell’s gizmo is not the
cutting edge. It’s just what we're being told about. What is the real
cutting edge of brain scanning? We can extrapolate. I did. It gave me
insomnia.

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