Re: [CTRL] What Happens When Robots Smarter than Humans are Roaming the Net?
-Caveat Lector- Crazy and still barking at the moon. -Original Message- From: Franklin Wayne Poley [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Monday, November 29, 1999 2:03 PM Subject: Re: [CTRL] What Happens When Robots Smarter than Humans are Roaming the Net? -Caveat Lector- Is this psychic or what? I didn't know that Zion was at the centre of the Matrix (not having seen the movie yet). However, if spirituality is primary and materiality is secondary, then Zion would a spiritual realm which generates perfect material worlds at will. How does that line up with the movie? FWP (Learned Elder of Zion). -Original Message- From: Tatman, Robert [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Monday, November 29, 1999 10:40 AM Subject: Re: [CTRL] What Happens When Robots Smarter than Humans are Roami ng the Net? -Caveat Lector- What intrigued me about "The Matrix" (aside from the effects, which were spectacular and quite mindblowing) was the suggestion that there were still deeper levels of reality to penetrate before reaching the "*real* Real World." There were hints that Zion, the hidden city of rebels at the core of the Earth, was itself a computer construct like the Matrix, and that whoever controlled Zion's mainframe controlled the "Real World." "Indeed do many things come to pass." Fnord. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Saturday, November 27, 1999 11:43 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [CTRL] What Happens When Robots Smarter than Humans are Roaming the Net? -Caveat Lector- In a message dated 11/27/99 8:02:46 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Excellent quote. Is it from "The Matrix"? I want to see that movie. Now what if we have Robots with "Quantum Computer Artificial Brains?" Could they see all the possibilities for us...possibilities which, as you say, are too much for the human to handle? FWP. The First quote in my signature is indeed from the movie "The Matrix", which, BTW, I can't recommend highly enough. See it at all costs! The second quote in my signature is one by H.P.Lovecraft, from his tale "The Call of Cthulhu". snip DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endor
Re: [CTRL] What Happens When Robots Smarter than Humans are Roaming the Net?
-Caveat Lector- From: Dan S [EMAIL PROTECTED] "The Matrix" was also the term coined by the CIA-sponsored Remote Viewing program for the place from which information is derived. It was defined then as "something from within which something else takes form, or develops." Dan S I found that a fascinating piece of information when I first heard it. Years ago, some friends and I would practice calling in The Matrix. We were friends and we also did a lot of projects together. Whenever there was a "personality-conflict" and a stalemate on how to proceed with some aspect of the project we would get into comfortable positions (usually lying down) and call in the Matrix. I could actually sense or feel it lowering. When it did lower we would individually communicate with it (I know this sounds wacky - But very true). At the end of the session, there would be consensus on how to proceed with the project - no more disputes about that issue. The funky part is that we would all get the same answer from the Matrix on how to proceed. Hilary DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] What Happens When Robots Smarter than Humans are Roaming the Net?
-Caveat Lector- Is this psychic or what? I didn't know that Zion was at the centre of the Matrix (not having seen the movie yet). However, if spirituality is primary and materiality is secondary, then Zion would a spiritual realm which generates perfect material worlds at will. How does that line up with the movie? FWP (Learned Elder of Zion). -Original Message- From: Tatman, Robert [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Monday, November 29, 1999 10:40 AM Subject: Re: [CTRL] What Happens When Robots Smarter than Humans are Roami ng the Net? -Caveat Lector- What intrigued me about "The Matrix" (aside from the effects, which were spectacular and quite mindblowing) was the suggestion that there were still deeper levels of reality to penetrate before reaching the "*real* Real World." There were hints that Zion, the hidden city of rebels at the core of the Earth, was itself a computer construct like the Matrix, and that whoever controlled Zion's mainframe controlled the "Real World." "Indeed do many things come to pass." Fnord. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Saturday, November 27, 1999 11:43 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [CTRL] What Happens When Robots Smarter than Humans are Roaming the Net? -Caveat Lector- In a message dated 11/27/99 8:02:46 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Excellent quote. Is it from "The Matrix"? I want to see that movie. Now what if we have Robots with "Quantum Computer Artificial Brains?" Could they see all the possibilities for us...possibilities which, as you say, are too much for the human to handle? FWP. The First quote in my signature is indeed from the movie "The Matrix", which, BTW, I can't recommend highly enough. See it at all costs! The second quote in my signature is one by H.P.Lovecraft, from his tale "The Call of Cthulhu". snip DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] What Happens When Robots Smarter than Humans are Roaming the Net?
-Caveat Lector- Excellent quote. Is it from "The Matrix"? I want to see that movie. Now what if we have Robots with "Quantum Computer Artificial Brains?" Could they see all the possibilities for us...possibilities which, as you say, are too much for the human to handle? FWP. http://users.uniserve.com/~culturex/Machine-Psychology-EEL.htm -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Saturday, November 27, 1999 12:04 AM Subject: Re: [CTRL] What Happens When Robots Smarter than Humans are Roami ng the Net? -Caveat Lector- In a message dated 11/26/99 1:23:50 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hey, maybe THAT explains the knee-jerk responses from so many people on the list... Kris, we need to work up a Turing test for members of CTRL. Only the ones who are capable of thinking independently stay on, the robots get dumped... Yes. . .a test. . . it will be helpful. . . Must remove. . .non-human listmembers. . . *** *** *** "Welcome to the desert of the real." Morpheus, "The Matrix". "The most merciful thing in the world, I think, is the inability of the human mind to correlate all its contents. We live on a placid island of ignorance in the midst of seas of infinity, and it is not meant that we should voyage far. The sciences, each straining in its own direction, have hitherto harmed us little; but someday the piecing together of dissociated knowledge will open up such terrifying vistas of reality, and of our frightful position therein, that we shall either go mad from the revelation or flee from the deadly light into the peace and safety of a new dark age." H.P.Lovecraft; "The Call of Cthulhu" DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] What Happens When Robots Smarter than Humans are Roaming the Net?
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 11/27/99 8:02:46 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Excellent quote. Is it from "The Matrix"? I want to see that movie. Now what if we have Robots with "Quantum Computer Artificial Brains?" Could they see all the possibilities for us...possibilities which, as you say, are too much for the human to handle? FWP. The First quote in my signature is indeed from the movie "The Matrix", which, BTW, I can't recommend highly enough. See it at all costs! The second quote in my signature is one by H.P.Lovecraft, from his tale "The Call of Cthulhu". As for your other question it is manifest that other worlds and possibilities are known already and hidden from us, it is not necessary for artificial brains to discover them. Though the thought is intriguing, thus artificial computing machines that can process vast amounts of data in little time would theoretically be able to plot developing trends and infer evolutionary changes. Combine that with an artificial intelligence, not just raw computing powers (which is the nemesis in the movie The Matrix), and you have a construct that can map out human advance (or decline) AND direct it as ITSELF wishes, either for achievement or dissolution. It would be a nifty hands off approach for the elites who run things since they would not have to dirty their hands making the decisions. It seems that our minds are inhibited so much today that we routinely dismiss huge amounts of information and refuse to live and act in accordance with what we "feel" or "know" to be true. I believe that this is a product of civilization, largely anyway, and also to a lesser extent the allied agencies surrounding civilization which also attempt to control and shape human action (ie: religions, governments, etc.). Maybe the real result of all of this is to simply form the human mind INTO a robotic or android like state which will respond to stimuli in a controlled and orderly fashion. In this sense then, philosophically, it could be said that the machines may be running things already, and may have been for quite some time, and their goal is to make us "better", and that is defined as making us more like them. Just some rambling, for your consideration. ** *** "Welcome to the desert of the real." Morpheus, "The Matrix". "The most merciful thing in the world, I think, is the inability of the human mind to correlate all its contents. We live on a placid island of ignorance in the midst of seas of infinity, and it is not meant that we should voyage far. The sciences, each straining in its own direction, have hitherto harmed us little; but someday the piecing together of dissociated knowledge will open up such terrifying vistas of reality, and of our frightful position therein, that we shall either go mad from the revelation or flee from the deadly light into the peace and safety of a new dark age." H.P.Lovecraft; "The Call of Cthulhu" DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] What Happens When Robots Smarter than Humans are Roaming the Net?
-Caveat Lector- -Original Message- From: Franklin Wayne Poley [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Wednesday, November 24, 1999 5:50 PM Subject: Re: Harvard and Notable Law Professor at Odds == English 101 won't survive the Internet as an exclusively human domain. In "Machine Psychology" I give various reasons to think that an English conversational program might have been tried out on the Internet already especially on the current affairs/new types of lists. Are you sure I am not a robot? FWP. http://users.uniserve.com/~culturex/Machine-Psychology-EEL.htm -Original Message- From: Steve Eskow [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Monday, November 22, 1999 9:51 PM Subject: RE: Harvard and Notable Law Professor at Odds == Earl, One thing doesn't change: the belief that each new technology will change everything. I've lived through education will be different because radio will bring Harvard and the Sorbonne to students in every small town in the world. Same for movies. Same for tv. And now it's the computer that will change everything. My hunch is that English 101, which has outlived every new teaching fad, every new technology, will survive the computer. In any event, I'm always troubled by what sounds like the notion that we have no control over our technologies, that they're bound to change everything whether we want them to or not. Question, Earl. Suppose it's obviously right that One Big University, a Microsoft of education, can do high quality teaching for the whole world, making it unnecessary for us to have 3500 accredited colleges in the US, or even 350. Or even 35. Would it be a good thing to save all that brick and mortar, and have all those teachers go into another line of work: taxi driving perhaps? Would you favor that kind of trend in your country? Do you agree there's a lot of nonsense spoken about the marvels of technology, as if radio and television and the telegraph and 35 mm slides really brought us out of the intellectual dark ages and into the education marvels of today: a world where children are taught reading and writing and numbers and geography and job skill by the audiovisual marvels of the new wondrous gadgets. Or are we saying that radio may have disappointed, and television didn't quite deliver on the prophesies, but the computer, now, the computer will really have everyone able to learn everything, and there will soon be no more illiteracy, and no more unemployment, and no more homelessness, because the computer will teach everyone, each one at his/her level, learning at his/her pace, etc., etc., etc. Ah me, Earl. Did someone say the more things change the more they stay the same? Learning faster is the funniest idea I've heard in a long time. Like if you computerize weight training people can get muscles faster. If speed of learning is really important, we really have to do something about my Windows crashing all the time: I spend more time rebooting my computer than I do learning something very fast. Cheers, Earl. Steve -Original Message- From: Earl Mardle To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 11/22/99 8:22 PM Subject: RE: Harvard and Notable Law Professor at Odds Looks like we are back at the universal instruction set theory of distance education and I'm sure we've been here before. At 03:58 PM 22/11/99 -0700, Steve wrote: == Skinner and his followers actually built teaching machines and there are many programs that were developed for them, some still in use. The movement, some of you will recall, was called "programmed instruction." What Oracle and Mike Milken seem to be saying is that the Internet and software can indeed make Harvard, and the 107 community colleges of California, and all the Texas community colleges except one, unnecessary. Wait till the faculty now embracing distance learning finds out what Larry Ellison is really planning to do to them. Who needs Harvard, or RSU, or 107 community colleges in California, when we have the Internet Teaching Machine? I'm all in favour of Milken and Ellison pouring their gold into this kind of development. I'm sure the spin offs for any number of functions and capabilities will be astonishing and in the end they may end up teaching English 101 on the net, and correcting the papers. At which point they, and all of us will discover the enduring hole in this entire process of down sizing, rationalising, whatever you call it theory of economics. Business only has one kind of customer; people with incomes. We don't need teachers of woad application, Druidic instruction or manuscript copying of holy documents any more either. Are we worse off for that? Or are there more interesting things still to do on the planet. I may want desperately to teach
