Re: [CTRL] [grassrootsreform] Re: eliminate the electoral college
-Caveat Lector- Jim wrote: Meeting in secret, behind locked guarded doors, the representatives of the States, not the of the people, created an addendum to empower the States, through their Agency the United States. This Constitution was adopted by the States for the States. I disagree with the above. Special electors where chosen by ballot to vote on ratification. This made them the peoples representative not the state legislatures. The people remained the ultimate sovereigns here. We have through ignorance surrendered too much power to government at all levels but the avenue to reclaim it still lies open due to the nature of the way the Constitution for the united States was ratified. IMO Jim I couldn't argree more, however, I think the most important issues today are: The most important issues in the country today are: #1 ISSUE. House bill sponsored by Rep.Paul (Tx): # HR 1148 IH. It has to do with termination of the unconstitutional and privately owned and operated: "Federal?" Reserve System. see: [ http://www.cal-neva.com/frb/page01.htm ] Passsage would: a: Eliminate our National debt: $5,584,273,630,778.72 ($20,500.89 per citizen!)In spite of the current budget "surplus", the debt has increased an average of $206 million $ per day since May 29, 1998! Please see: [ http://www.brillig.com/debt_clock/ ] Secondarily, all needed government funding could easily be derived from US Treasury banking operations. There is absolutely no reason for us to pay private individuals (mostly foreigners) to operate our banking systems. Ref: [ http://www.brillig.com/debt_clock/ ]. #2 Issue is National Retail Sales Tax. Current NRST bill is H.R. 1467 IH. Sponsored by 18 Housemembers including Billy Tauzin: "National Retail Sales Tax of 1999 [ http://www.house.gov/traficant/apr1599.html ] a: Federal taxation and associated recordkeeping of businesses and individuals will no longer be required. (For taxpaying reasons, anyway). b: The Nat'l debt: $5,584,273,630,778.72 will be nearly eliminated: The estimated population of the United States is 272,391,799 so each citizen's share of this debt is $20,500.89. Despite the current budget surplus, the debt hasincreased an average of $206 mil.$ per day since May 29, 1998![ http://www.brillig.com/debt_clock/ ]. c: Campaign finance reform will result since taxing favoritism will be impossible! d. The US tax base will nearly triple, since: 1.ALL products sold in the US will pay equal taxes whether manufacturedor grown inside this country or not. 2. Foreign visitors, students, truckers, illegals and everyone who buys anything inside the US or territories will pay equally. Currently all these persons pay nothing! e. Record keeping: depreciation schedules, production costs and related currently "required by the IRS" records for individuals and "non retail" businesses will terminate. f. Federal inheritance records and taxes will cease to exist. and many other benefits. I look forward to finding activist groups whom I can support [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Ronald Wilson) DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] [grassrootsreform] Re: eliminate the electoral college
-Caveat Lector- The Articles of Confederation established a unicameral Congress of the United States on behalf of the United States of America. The United States is the agent, an artificial entity, created on behalf of the States united under the Confederation established by unanimous consent in March of 1781. This Congress of the United States convened to consider questions of mutual concern for all parties of Interest. These parties of Interest were the States themselves. These States were the incorporation of the former Royal chartered colonies. The Estate of Maryland was formally incorporated as a Corporate body Politic by the council of Safety in November of 1776. This Declaration of Rights was amended on December 8th, 1776. This Council of Safety was empowered on December 8th, 1776 as a five member executive council chaired by the Governor, who was elected by the General Assembly. It was this State, the State of Maryland that signed the Articles of Confederation and later adopted the addendum to these Articles known as the Constitution of the United States for the United States of America in April of 1788. The United States was bankrupt in the middle 1780's. By 1786, the United States could not fund the interest on its obligations owed to its creditors. The crisis had the young Confederation of States on the brink of total economic collapse. Its ally, France had financially collapsed by the the end of 1786. Bills of Credit generated by the various States held no value from day to day. The Continental script was worthless by the spring of 1787. Commerce amongst the States and its foreign traders was no longer regular. The British Troops still set within forts within the Territory of the States. There was no navy to patrol the coast line or protect overseas trade. Chaos loomed. Shays rebellion shook the Political leaders to their very fiber. Meeting in secret, behind locked guarded doors, the representatives of the States, not the of the people, created an addendum to empower the States, through their Agency the United States. This Constitution was adopted by the States for the States. The people lead by the likes of Patrick Henry saw the inherent dangers of the National Government and were able to secure a limitation upon the application of powers articulated within the first seven articles of the Constitution of the United States for the United States of America. These first ten amendments restricted the and delineated the powers of the United States. The willingness of the first Americans to stand upon these limitations stirred the political arena to the brink of rebellion in 1833 under the infighting of John C. Calhoun, and Andrew Jackson. Andrew Jackson hard stance thwarted open armed rebellion. He successfully defeated the monetized debt instrument, the Bank of the United StatesHe failed to recognized the domination of the foreign agents, who knew the United States was the Virginia Company, which had successfully secured its administrative position in March of 1781, under its new name the United States. The stock holders of the Virginia dominated the United States, and secured its position as the administrator of the Public trust with the adoption of the Constitution of the United States for the United States of America. The people of the States, were allowed a voice in the House of Representatives. This voice died in December of 1860, when the Congress of the United States for the United States of America, adjourned sine die. After a million dead and wounded Americans spilled their blood, the United States was empowered under the fourteenth Amendment to use force of arms without question to suppress any perceived usurpation of its now unlimited statutorily created social democracy. The people have never had a voice in the election of the President of the United States. With the imposition of the ballot box, the people of the United States of America lost any voice in the control of the elected officials. Now with electronic ballotingthe most successful despotic tyranny in the history of the World has enslaved over 250 million people, and longs to dominate the other six billion people around the world, no matter what the cost. Changing the electoral college, imposing term limits, abolishing the Internal Revenue Service is not an answer. The answer is knowledge. The historical knowledge which is readably available buried within the law libraries across this Great land. The people of America have been lied to, deceived and sacrificed on the battlefields of the World not for liberty, but for the empowerment of Democracy. Read Woodrow Wilsons speeches about making the world Safe for democracy. This Social Democracy is the new world order. The United States is the colony of the Britannic majesty. The Sovereign States of America have deceived its own people to succor upon this corrupted trough of monetized debt and indentured servitude.
Re: [CTRL] [grassrootsreform] Re: eliminate the electoral college
-Caveat Lector- Inhabitant of the Conquered Land wrote: Meeting in secret, behind locked guarded doors, the representatives of the States, not the of the people, created an addendum to empower the States, through their Agency the United States. This Constitution was adopted by the States for the States. I disagree with the above. Special electors where chosen by ballot to vote on ratification. This made them the peoples representative not the state legislatures. The people remained the ultimate sovereigns here. We have through ignorance surrendered too much power to government at all levels but the avenue to reclaim it still lies open due to the nature of the way the Constitution for the united States was ratified. IMO Jim DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] [grassrootsreform] Re: eliminate the electoral college
-Caveat Lector- The States were represented at the Convention in Philadelphia. The people within the States had no representation within the convention. It was a Convention of States. The participants were all property owners within the States nominated not by the people, but by the State Legislatures to represent the needs of the thirteen independent States. Rhode Island chose not to participate. In fact, the State of Rhode Island refused the document till the twelve States, not the people, therein were going to exclude the State of Rhode Island from the benefits offered under the Constitution. Only then did the State, not the people, of Rhode Island agree to accept membership as a State, not the people, to the Union under the Constitution. The People only control the State, where in they are the Sovereigns. The States control the United States, which was and is their agency. The preamble to the Constitution was to list we the States of .. The editorial committee changed the preamble to read the We the people of the United States. The people of the United States, were and are the States. The peoples say was the demand to limit this Agency of the States. These limitations are the first ten amendments ratified in 1791. Read the Journals, and the Laws of your Estate, and later the State from 1770 till 1776. You will then find out just what the State was, and how the State was incorporated. The people who voted within this State, were property owners. In this State, the State of Maryland, you had to own 50 acres of real property, or have a value exceeding 100 pounds in tangible personal property to participate within this State, the State of Maryland as an elector. The Virginia Company had two ruling committees. One sat in Virginia, the Second sat in London. These two competing committees fought over control of the charter. The American committee put George Washington in the Field of Battle, who personally invested over 800 thousand pound sterling of his personal funds to finance the Rebellion against the London committee and the Kings ministers. The Constitution of the United States for the United States of America, is a contract between sovereign Independent States. The People of America have been deceived. Yes you are correct, not knowing the facts of history has allowed the United States, and its creator, this State, to deliberately mis inform the people of America. You have your self, made one fatal error You should validate just who was allowed to participate in the Corporate Body Politic in 1787. Property Owners. These property owners owned substantial amounts of real, and/or tangible personal property. The Peoples voice within the Untied States was also decided by the States. The State legislature was empowered to determine the Districts from which the representatives to the House of Representatives were chosen. The Constitution empowered the States. The War Between the States, in 1861 to 1877, was in reality a War by the United States upon the Sovereign and Independent States of America party to the Union under the Constitution of the United States for the United States of America. The cost of liberty is eternal vigilance "In a age of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act." George Orwell -- From: Jim [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [CTRL] [grassrootsreform] Re: eliminate the electoral college Date: Thursday, June 10, 1999 9:00 PM -Caveat Lector- Inhabitant of the Conquered Land wrote: Meeting in secret, behind locked guarded doors, the representatives of the States, not the of the people, created an addendum to empower the States, through their Agency the United States. This Constitution was adopted by the States for the States. I disagree with the above. Special electors where chosen by ballot to vote on ratification. This made them the peoples representative not the state legislatures. The people remained the ultimate sovereigns here. We have through ignorance surrendered too much power to government at all levels but the avenue to reclaim it still lies open due to the nature of the way the Constitution for the united States was ratified. IMO Jim DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Cav
