Re: [CTRL] 10 Reasons To Legalize ALL Drugs
The original post contained U.S. mortality data on tobacco, alcohol, legal and illegal drugs. I suddenly need this data. Could this be reposted with cites? This will save me an hour or more of research. C. A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html A HREF="http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] 10 Reasons To Legalize ALL Drugs
From what I've seen, the 2 biggest moneymakers must now be Zithromax, an antibiotic, and Lipitor, a cholesterol-lowering drug. Neither is available as a generic, neither are in insurance company formularies, hence, you pay through the nose for them. And I wouldn't be surprised if the doctors are getting kickbacks, because they refuse to prescribe lower-priced meds, even if one is available for the condition. __ Do You Yahoo!? Send instant messages get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com/ A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html A HREF="http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] 10 Reasons To Legalize ALL Drugs
On 15 May 00, at 6:19, Tenorlove wrote: they refuse to prescribe lower-priced meds, even if one is available for the condition. Cite please? -- Kathleen "When liberty is taken away by force, it can be restored by force. When it is relinquished voluntarily by default, it can neve r be recovered." - Dorothy Thompson A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html A HREF="http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] 10 Reasons To Legalize ALL Drugs
Great article Nessie, and you make a good point, which explains why drugs are not legal now and probably won't be for a while. It would be a matter of economics if the holders of the patents (if there were such a thing) were the Nazi ex-patriots and our own deep black intelligence agencies, as to whether to legalize or not, since they would obviously do what would bring more money. Legalization may provide a broader base to sell to thus increasing your market, but the price would come down. PLUS, and perhaps most importantly, IF the stuff stays illegal then the money gained by its sale can be hidden and used for nefarious purposes, while "clean: money from open sale would not be. I concede the point, but only just, after all there are other groups who would like a piece of the pie, and who also have a vested interest in remaining "legitimate". On Sun, 14 May 2000, nessie wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED],Internet writes: Is there anyone here who doubts for one minute that if Pfizer, or some other major pharmaceutical firm held a patent for exclusive manufacturing rights to Cocaine, or Marijuana, or Heroin, that those drugs would not be legal right now and being sold everywhere? Yeah, me. See: http://www.sfbg.com/nessie/company.html They're worth more illegal. Follow the money. A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html A HREF="http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om "Welcome to the desert of the real." Morpheus, in The Matrix "My God it's full of stars!" Dave Bowman, in 2001: A Space Odyssey ___ Why pay when you don't have to? Get AltaVista Free Internet Access now! http://jump.altavista.com/freeaccess4.go ___ A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html A HREF="http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] 10 Reasons To Legalize ALL Drugs
Another excellent point. As it does seem obvious that the "controllers" wish to control all aspects of our lives, including one's attempt at spiritual advancement and one's seeking after the numinous and the pursuit of happiness. Drugging us to death with "legal" drugs and forcing us to toe the line with work and "responsibility" makes for a docile and easily led populace, with no avenues of escape that are outside the control of these people. On Sun, 14 May 2000, "Samantha L." wrote: In a message dated 5/14/00 9:02:09 PM Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Is there anyone here who doubts for one minute that if Pfizer, or some other major pharmaceutical firm held a patent for exclusive manufacturing rights to Cocaine, or Marijuana, or Heroin, that those drugs would not be legal right now and being sold everywhere? It's not just about money, though. The war on drugs is about war on the joy de vivre - on the expansive spirit. A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html A HREF="http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om "Welcome to the desert of the real." Morpheus, in The Matrix "My God it's full of stars!" Dave Bowman, in 2001: A Space Odyssey ___ Why pay when you don't have to? Get AltaVista Free Internet Access now! http://jump.altavista.com/freeaccess4.go ___ A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html A HREF="http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] 10 Reasons To Legalize ALL Drugs
I've always believed the rumor that Marlboro IS set up and ready for the legalization of pot, and from what I hear, they could have their product in stores within one work week of the law passing. If they do legalize pot in my lifetime...wherever it's legal to sell it, that's where you'll find me working full time. andy www.bluehoney.org Is there anyone here who doubts for one minute that if Pfizer, or some other major pharmaceutical firm held a patent for exclusive manufacturing rights to Cocaine, or Marijuana, or Heroin, that those drugs would not be legal right now and being sold everywhere? A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html A HREF="http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] 10 Reasons To Legalize ALL Drugs
Several years ago I posted these numbers on the Extropian list and got reamed for posting 'sloppy research' and 'libertarian propaganda'. One comment that stuck out over all this time was that, "stats are often used like drunks use lampposts -- for support rather the illumination". Kris Millegan wrote: 0 from marijuana As with most entheogens (shrooms, peyote, LSD, etc). 6,000 from illegal drugs, one-third of those from adulterants. Caused by non-entheogens (heroin, cocaine, etc) 400,000 tobacco So says the National Cancer Institute's propaganda in their "Nazi War on Smoking". 150,000 alcohol ? ? indeed... 100,000 prescription medication? The book "Deadly Medicine: Why tens of thousands of heart patients died in America's worst drug disaster" by Thomas J. Moore, "tell the dramatic story of the greatest tragedy involving a class of drugs still on the market. It reveals why the same medical system that brings lifesaving treatments can create catastrophe beyond imagining." The book's prologue claims: "This book tells the story of America's worst medical disaster. Over just a few years, an estimated 50,000 people died from taking drugs intended to prevent cardiac arrest. After hundreds of thousands of patients took these drugs, a definitive medical experiment proved that they did not prevent cardiac arrest as doctors had believed. Instead the drug *caused* cardiac arrest. Often the effect was so sudden and unexpected that people literally dropped dead while going about their normal lives. The result of this single medical misjudgment about the properties of these drugs produced a death toll larger then the United States' combat losses in wars such as Korea and Vietnam. If one were to total the deaths from every commercial airplane crash in the history of the US aviation, the sum would not approach the number of deaths from this episode." While the book's dust cover reads: "The story begins with a new heart drug created by the research labs of the 3M company. In animals this drug appears usually effective in suppressing irregular heartbeats. Hoping for a blockbuster, 3M launches clinical tests and plans how to seize the market from competing companies. But as the medical researchers test Tambocor, as the drug is called, the first signs of trouble appear. At Stanford University, a doctor warns that this type of drug could be dangerous. Other experiments fail to demonstrate the effective benefits of such drugs. But with support of clinical doctors and millions invested in Tambocor, 3M moves ahead and seeks approval from the FDA. Other companies follow suit with similar drugs. "Questions about the safety of Tambocor have already reached the medical review staff at the FDA in Washington D.C., where a behind the scenes drama takes place. 3M presses for approval of Tambocor, while the FDA tries to interpret the meaning of reports that some patients who have taken the drug suddenly drop dead. Without a green light from the FDA, Tambocor may be doomed. "The final chapter in this story unfolds as 3M gets to the market place, and using all the skills of a modern pharmaceutical manufacturer, persuades doctors to use Tambocor. At the same time, an important clinical trial begins. The National institute of Health launch an experiment with more then a thousand patients to measure the benefits of Tambocor and two similar drugs. The shocking results of that study -- and the response of doctors and companies who promoted these drugs -- bring the tragedy to a powerful conclusion. "Deadly Medicine is a human story about the brilliant and driven doctors who worked on Tambocor and similar heart drugs -- at pharmaceutical companies, within the FDA, and at university medical research centers. It provides a vivid and disturbing account of the system by which drugs are discovered, tested and marketed to doctors. Through the tragic story of how tens of thousands of patients died prematurely from one class of heart drugs, Deadly Medicine also exposes major flaws in the system." A few snippets from the book: "13,445 deaths occurred in New York state in one year due to medical mistakes in hospitals medical mistakes in United States hospitals kill 168,000 persons each year. Once again, this figure is an order of magnitude -- an approximation for a range of 150,000 to 200,000 death each year. That makes medical mistakes of doctors and hospitals the nation's third largest cause of death, surpassed only by heart disease and cancer, and exceeding stroke." p.231 "Temple, perhaps the only one to appreciate how many patients died through the inappropriate use of antiarrhythmic drugs, got angry. "'one of the impressions I kept getting is that the enormous magnitude of what we are seeing here is not appreciated,' temple said. 'This is, in fact, bigger then anything we have encountered in a mortality trial except AZT." (the 'AIDS' drug) p.254
Re: [CTRL] 10 Reasons To Legalize ALL Drugs
[EMAIL PROTECTED],Internet writes: Is there anyone here who doubts for one minute that if Pfizer, or some other major pharmaceutical firm held a patent for exclusive manufacturing rights to Cocaine, or Marijuana, or Heroin, that those drugs would not be legal right now and being sold everywhere? Yeah, me. See: http://www.sfbg.com/nessie/company.html They're worth more illegal. Follow the money. A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html A HREF="http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] 10 Reasons To Legalize ALL Drugs
You are absolutely right, of course, regarding the uses of information for propaganda. I am in favor of people being allowed to smoke as well, and to drink to their hearts content. Anyway, it is usually the "Nazi" abolitionists who quote numbers to stir up response, especially when you can throw in childhood statistics, though there are those on the liberal side who use them to support their own ideas. I don't know what the accurate numbers are but my point was to say that the number dead by legal, accepted means far outweighs the number dead by illegal, unaccepted means. Is there anyone here who doubts for one minute that if Pfizer, or some other major pharmaceutical firm held a patent for exclusive manufacturing rights to Cocaine, or Marijuana, or Heroin, that those drugs would not be legal right now and being sold everywhere? On Sun, 14 May 2000, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Several years ago I posted these numbers on the Extropian list and got reamed for posting 'sloppy research' and 'libertarian propaganda'. One comment that stuck out over all this time was that, "stats are often used like drunks use lampposts -- for support rather the illumination". Kris Millegan wrote: 0 from marijuana As with most entheogens (shrooms, peyote, LSD, etc). 6,000 from illegal drugs, one-third of those from adulterants. Caused by non-entheogens (heroin, cocaine, etc) 400,000 tobacco So says the National Cancer Institute's propaganda in their "Nazi War on Smoking". 150,000 alcohol ? ? indeed... 100,000 prescription medication? The book "Deadly Medicine: Why tens of thousands of heart patients died in America's worst drug disaster" by Thomas J. Moore, "tell the dramatic story of the greatest tragedy involving a class of drugs still on the market. It reveals why the same medical system that brings lifesaving treatments can create catastrophe beyond imagining." The book's prologue claims: "This book tells the story of America's worst medical disaster. Over just a few years, an estimated 50,000 people died from taking drugs intended to prevent cardiac arrest. After hundreds of thousands of patients took these drugs, a definitive medical experiment proved that they did not prevent cardiac arrest as doctors had believed. Instead the drug *caused* cardiac arrest. Often the effect was so sudden and unexpected that people literally dropped dead while going about their normal lives. The result of this single medical misjudgment about the properties of these drugs produced a death toll larger then the United States' combat losses in wars such as Korea and Vietnam. If one were to total the deaths from every commercial airplane crash in the history of the US aviation, the sum would not approach the number of deaths from this episode." While the book's dust cover reads: "The story begins with a new heart drug created by the research labs of the 3M company. In animals this drug appears usually effective in suppressing irregular heartbeats. Hoping for a blockbuster, 3M launches clinical tests and plans how to seize the market from competing companies. But as the medical researchers test Tambocor, as the drug is called, the first signs of trouble appear. At Stanford University, a doctor warns that this type of drug could be dangerous. Other experiments fail to demonstrate the effective benefits of such drugs. But with support of clinical doctors and millions invested in Tambocor, 3M moves ahead and seeks approval from the FDA. Other companies follow suit with similar drugs. "Questions about the safety of Tambocor have already reached the medical review staff at the FDA in Washington D.C., where a behind the scenes drama takes place. 3M presses for approval of Tambocor, while the FDA tries to interpret the meaning of reports that some patients who have taken the drug suddenly drop dead. Without a green light from the FDA, Tambocor may be doomed. "The final chapter in this story unfolds as 3M gets to the market place, and using all the skills of a modern pharmaceutical manufacturer, persuades doctors to use Tambocor. At the same time, an important clinical trial begins. The National institute of Health launch an experiment with more then a thousand patients to measure the benefits of Tambocor and two similar drugs. The shocking results of that study -- and the response of doctors and companies who promoted these drugs -- bring the tragedy to a powerful conclusion. "Deadly Medicine is a human story about the brilliant and driven doctors who worked on Tambocor and similar heart drugs -- at pharmaceutical companies, within the FDA, and at university medical research centers. It provides a vivid and disturbing account of the system by which drugs are discovered, tested and marketed to doctors. Through the tragic story of how tens of thousands of patients died prematurely from one class of
Re: [CTRL] 10 Reasons To Legalize ALL Drugs
[EMAIL PROTECTED],Internet writes: The war on drugs is about war on the joy de vivre - on the expansive spirit. The war on (some) drugs is a war against personal autonomy. There is one reason and one reason only to end the war. It's reason enough. It's your body. You have a right to do whatever want to it. Anybody who takes control of our body against your will, any control whatsoever, of any part of it, even if they honestly believe it's for your own good, is no better than a rapist. Period. End of story. Who owns YOUR body, you or the state? A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html A HREF="http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] 10 Reasons To Legalize ALL Drugs
In a message dated 5/14/00 9:02:09 PM Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Is there anyone here who doubts for one minute that if Pfizer, or some other major pharmaceutical firm held a patent for exclusive manufacturing rights to Cocaine, or Marijuana, or Heroin, that those drugs would not be legal right now and being sold everywhere? It's not just about money, though. The war on drugs is about war on the joy de vivre - on the expansive spirit. A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html A HREF="http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
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[EMAIL PROTECTED],Internet writes: Anyways how many people die from illegal drugs every year as compared with "legal" drugs (pharmaceuticals, alcohol, tobacco)? Cars kill 50,000 Americans a year. Do we try to ban cars? A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html A HREF="http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] 10 Reasons To Legalize ALL Drugs
In a message dated 5/12/00 7:56:58 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: [EMAIL PROTECTED],Internet writes: Anyways how many people die from illegal drugs every year as compared with "legal" drugs (pharmaceuticals, alcohol, tobacco)? 0 from marijuana 6,000 from illegal drugs, one-third of those from adulterants. 400,000 tobacco 150,000 alcohol ? 100,000 prescription medication? ?over the counter-medications? Om K A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html A HREF="http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] 10 Reasons To Legalize ALL Drugs
In a message dated 5/10/00 9:21:21 PM Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Thanks William. I am a proponent for total legalization. Please see my comments inserted below. . . Well, I am too! (And please call me Bill) I am outspoken about it too...even have a plan for distribution...but until our pols grow gonads this is all pie in the sky... Bill. A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html A HREF="http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] 10 Reasons To Legalize ALL Drugs
Weel, Bill, glad to hear that you are vocal for legalization. I favor the widespread availability of drugs of every kind, as long as people are able to make informed decisions about the effects such things have on the body and are not forced to partake or bombarded with propaganda from the pro's or con's. I think that what one does to one's own self, EVEN IF HARMFUL to one's self, including suicide and drilling a hole in your head, as well as amputating limbs just 'cause you can't stand having them any more, should not only be legal but should be the norm. Personal fulfillment is more than just going to work for the man and being forced to make do with the poor quality of "approved" highs. If a woman can abort a fetus (and I think she has the right to do so, though I don't particularly like the idea of it) then certainly someone should be allowed to take a possibly "dangerous" drug (which probably is not dangerous at all. Anyways how many people die from illegal drugs every year as compared with "legal" drugs (pharmaceuticals, alcohol, tobacco)? I'll bet they aren't even close! On Thu, 11 May 2000, William Shannon wrote: In a message dated 5/10/00 9:21:21 PM Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Thanks William. I am a proponent for total legalization. Please see my comments inserted below. . . Well, I am too! (And please call me Bill) I am outspoken about it too...even have a plan for distribution...but until our pols grow gonads this is all pie in the sky... Bill. A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html A HREF="http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om "Welcome to the desert of the real." Morpheus, in The Matrix "My God it's full of stars!" Dave Bowman, in 2001: A Space Odyssey ___ Why pay when you don't have to? Get AltaVista Free Internet Access now! http://jump.altavista.com/freeaccess4.go ___ A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html A HREF="http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] 10 Reasons To Legalize ALL Drugs
Thanks William. I am a proponent for total legalization. Please see my comments inserted below. . . On Tue, 09 May 2000, William Shannon wrote: 10 Reasons to legalise all drugs 1 Address the real issues For too long policy makers have used prohibition as a smoke screen to avoid addressing the social and economic factors that lead people to use drugs. Most illegal and legal drug use is recreational. Poverty and despair are at the root of most problematic drug use and it is only by addressing these underlying causes that we can hope to significantly decrease the number of problematic users. (Tenebroust comments indented like this) Indeed, but no one in office wants to actually look to solve problems. When there are problems it gives them a reason to demand more money and to stay in office longer "to fix things" 2 Eliminate the criminal market place The market for drugs is demand-led and millions of people demand illegal drugs. Making the production, supply and use of some drugs illegal creates a vacuum into which organised crime moves. The profits are worth billions of pounds. Legalisation forces organised crime from the drugs trade, starves them of income and enables us to regulate and control the market (i.e. prescription, licensing, laws on sales to minors, advertising regulations etc.) This, of course would greatly curtail the amount of money the "Intelligence" agencies have to spend on illegal operations since they are a major supplier. Plus when supply goes up as it would if legalized then the cost decreases, and that spells less profit. 3 Massively reduce crime The price of illegal drugs is determined by a demand-led, unregulated market. Using illegal drugs is very expensive. This means that some dependent users resort to stealing to raise funds (accounting for 50% of UK property crime - estimated at £2 billion a year). Most of the violence associated with illegal drug dealing is caused by its illegality Legalisation would enable us to regulate the market, determine a much lower price and remove users need to raise funds through crime. Our legal system would be freed up and our prison population dramatically reduced, saving billions. Because of the low price, cigarette smokers do not have to steal to support their habits. There is also no violence associated with the legal tobacco market. 4 Drug users are a majority Recent research shows that nearly half of all 15-16 year olds have used an illegal drug. Up to one and a half million people use ecstasy every weekend. Amongst young people, illegal drug use is seen as normal. Intensifying the âwar on drugsâ is not reducing demand. In Holland, where cannabis laws are far less harsh, drug usage is amongst the lowest in Europe. Legalisation accepts that drug use is normal and that it is a social issue, not a criminal justice one. How we deal with it is up to all of us to decide. In 1970 there were 9000 convictions or cautions for drug offences and 15% of young people had used an illegal drug. In 1995 the figures were 94 000 and 45%. Prohibition doesnât work. 5 Provide access to truthful information and education A wealth of disinformation about drugs and drug use is given to us by ignorant and prejudiced policy-makers and media who peddle myths upon lies for their own ends. This creates many of the risks and dangers associated with drug use. Legalisation would help us to disseminate open, honest and truthful information to users and non-users to help them to make decisions about whether and how to use. We could begin research again on presently illicit drugs to discover all their uses and effects - both positive and negative. 6 Make all drug use safer Prohibition has led to the stigmatisation and marginalisation of drug users. Countries that operate ultra-prohibitionist policies have very high rates of HIV infection amongst injecting users. Hepatitis C rates amongst users in the UK are increasing substantially. In the UK in the â80âs clean needles for injecting users and safer sex education for young people were made available in response to fears of HIV. Harm reduction policies are in direct opposition to prohibitionist laws. 7 Restore our rights and responsibilities Prohibition unnecessarily criminalises millions of otherwise law-abiding people. It removes the responsibility for distribution of drugs from policy makers and hands it over to unregulated, sometimes violent dealers. Legalisation restores our right to use drugs responsibly to change the way we think and feel. It enables controls and regulations to be put in place to protect the vulnerable. This is the real issue. Give us back the control over our own lives that these ridiculous laws have taken away from us, including the right to be irresponsible once in a while (as long as we hurt no one, or damage anyones property. 8 Race and Drugs Black people are over ten times more
