Re: [CTRL] But Mr. President, Can You HEAR Us?
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 09/15/2001 11:15:08 AM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: To this lady and others that don't get it, this is WAR ! Wake up and smell the chemicals in the air. W A R ! ! ! ! My husband has fought in three of them and we were both involved in the Gulf War as civilians. We do not welcome the prospect as enthusiastically as some. We must fight this war. Our country was attacked in a horrendous way, but war is always ugly, and this one promises to be moreso than most. Prudy A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] But Mr. President, Can You HEAR Us?
I'm with the President all the way. And I didn't even lose anybody in this act of war against the US. May the materialism of this country stop blinding us to our political enemies. May looseheaded would-be pacifists start thinking of protecting those they love, those they spawned. To this lady and others that don't get it, this is WAR ! Wake up and smell the chemicals in the air. W A R ! ! ! ! - Original Message - From: William Shannon To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, September 15, 2001 10:15 AM Subject: [CTRL] But Mr. President, Can You HEAR Us? http://www.mediamonitors.net/index.html "I can hear you, the rest of the world can hear you," BUT Mr. President, Can you HEAR us… by Cathleen Hall As tragic as the collapse of the twin towers and the crash into the pentagon is, there is further tragedy that is quickly approaching. It is a tragedy that only we can avoid, but it is highly unlikely and not many care, since the tragedy does not occur on United States soil this time. Mr. President, you have assured the nation and the world of the imminent attack on any terrorist, any group, any individual who is deemed suspicious and any person or country harboring such people or groups (whether knowingly or unknowingly). You have claimed to be a very loving man, but that you have a job to do. I know that you are fairly new in your role as the president of the United States and that you have promised the nation, you must show your opponents, the world and the Americans who are so upset and believe that only a strike of massive scale can fill the void in their hearts. But before you give your first order of attack, I urge you to stop, to step away from the pressures and to truly sit and think for a moment. Just slightly over a decade ago, your father faced a very difficult decision as well. Back then I was just a young college kid; just twenty years old, as both Jenna and Barbara will be very soon. The whole concept of war fascinated me, because it was something I had often read about in history class, but had never actually experienced in my lifetime. My mind flashed to thoughts of what I had heard my grandmother talk about during World War II Germany. Bombs dropping all around her, as she tried to retrieve some husks of corn from the fields, which in those days were only used for cattle, while the children up and down the street were starving, as all the food was given up for the soldiers, per Hitler's decree. She was suffering, her children were suffering, because of one mad [Austrian] man who was in charge of her country at that time. I filled my gas tank, stock piled my groceries and settled in for a long drawn out war. But this war was different, this war was almost a sort of entertainment shown nightly on the television, with bright flashes into a dark night as we hit Iraqi targets. Some believed to be chemical warfare plants (turning out to be a baby formula factory). I remember being so proud of all of our soldiers taking out all those "military installations". I never asked any questions, and I had never been more proud to be an American. I realized why both my father and mother had worked for us in NATO and was never more patriotic. Of course now we have had ten years of sanctions, Saddam is still alive and gaining weight with every passing day it appears, while also wining and dining as many people he chooses at his palace, complete with tennis courts and lush gardens. The babies in the hospital die of leukemia from the depleted uranium that was shelled out and dying of starvation or dysentery from the untreated water. The mortality rate for children under age five has gone up nine times higher since before the Gulf War. The previous administration [specifically Madeline Albright] stated that she thought the "price was worth it", as apparently the sanctions were helpful to do something, and the dying children were a casualty of war. I am not quite sure of the benefits, as Saddam is still alive and kicking and seems not to notice that his country is under sanctions. I have grown more mature since then. I now have two young children of my own. Now when I look back on this, I wonder how we could have done something so tragic and how we can continue to do so. One year ago, the Second Intifadah started. All my life I always heard my mother stating that these people would end up killing themselves and the world. I did not know what the conflict was about, and I did not really care to know when I was younger. But now, I wanted to know. So I studied and I read. I did not just read the common newspaper for my information, I tried to dig deeper. When I found out what the situation really was and how it had truly started, I was very upset. I was further upset when I saw what the
Re: [CTRL] But Mr. President, Can You HEAR Us?
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 9/15/01 8:15:08 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: To this lady and others that don't get it, this is WAR ! Wake up and smell the chemicals in the air. W A R ! ! ! ! This ain't war this is a created conflict, with nefarious designs. Om k A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] But Mr. President, Can You HEAR Us?
-Caveat Lector- Ever since the beginning of the conflict in Bosnia-Herzogovina (sp?) I have been wondering how religious conflict escalated to a warlike level could be created in the US. Now, hearing about the attacks on Muslims across the country and reading Pat Robertson and Jerry Falwell laying the blame on godless abortionists and the ACLU, I can see how it can be done. It is a hot seed. Let's hope it doesn't blossom. I just heard that milliions of Afghanis will die of starvation if the international aid workers don't return there immediately. Is this our enemy-- a nation of starving people? How have they benefited from what has happened in NYC? Who does benefit? Qui bono It's a little frightening to answer that question. Who has the skill to pull off such an operation? A little frightening to answer that question, too. Not to mention unpatriotic. On 15 Sep 01, at 11:50, Kris Millegan wrote: -Caveat Lector- In a message dated 9/15/01 8:15:08 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: To this lady and others that don't get it, this is WAR ! Wake up and smell the chemicals in the air. W A R ! ! ! ! This ain't war this is a created conflict, with nefarious designs. Om k A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. == == Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A == == To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om sno0wl A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] But Mr. President, Can You HEAR Us?
-Caveat Lector- Marilyn Wright wrote: -Caveat Lector- Ever since the beginning of the conflict in Bosnia-Herzogovina (sp?) I have been wondering how religious conflict escalated to a warlike level could be created in the US. Now, hearing about the attacks on Muslims across the country and reading Pat Robertson and Jerry Falwell laying the blame on godless abortionists and the ACLU, I can see how it can be done. It is a hot seed. Let's hope it doesn't blossom. I just heard that milliions of Afghanis will die of starvation if the international aid workers don't return there immediately. Is this our enemy-- a nation of starving people? How have they benefited from what has happened in NYC? Who does benefit? Qui bono It's a little frightening to answer that question. Who has the skill to pull off such an operation? A little frightening to answer that question, too. Not to mention unpatriotic. On 15 Sep 01, at 11:50, Kris Millegan wrote: -Caveat Lector- In a message dated 9/15/01 8:15:08 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: To this lady and others that don't get it, this is WAR ! Wake up and smell the chemicals in the air. W A R ! ! ! ! This ain't war this is a created conflict, with nefarious designs. Om k Kris is absolutely right. But it will hard to discuss this while Americans have the pictures fresh in their minds. Many of our fellow citizens were murdered and the natural reaction is one of revenge. Maybe when war fever cools down a bit we can begin to see things more clearly. There are surely going to be attempts to control information on the Net. Things have become hard for the elites to spin because the corporate media no longer have a monopoly on information. No government will tolerate this while trying to manage a war. I strongly suggest that all list members start archiving important info NOW. Store data on floppies or cds. This is history which will be hard to hide later on. I'm sad to say that I think humanity is in for a world of hurt. Joshua2 A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] But Mr. President, Can You HEAR Us?
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 9/15/01 12:37:27 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Things have become hard for the elites to spin because the corporate media no longer have a monopoly on information. No government will tolerate this while trying to manage a war. A frightening aspect is that if this doesn't work, they may up the ante to bio or other such dastardly methods of coercing us hoi polloi and other such defective slaves to see their way. Om K A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] But Mr. President, Can You HEAR Us?
I define war as two people/countries/entities who want power over each other doing things to get that power. Doesn't matter who creates it. We are embroiled in it, it is WAR. If I was at war with someone, I would creat MANY conflicts - hoping to win them all. Whether as I think you suggest there are people/entitles more powerful than the Bin Laden org. that are orchestrating this - well, ok but it is still at the World Trade Center Twin Tower level WAR. In a message dated 9/15/01 8:15:08 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:To this lady and others that don't get it, this is WAR ! Wake up andsmell the chemicals in the air. W A R ! ! ! !This ain't war this is a created conflict, with nefarious designs.Omk
