Re: [CTRL] Fw: Bush threatens veto in stem-cell funding bill
-Caveat Lector- so far GM foods have not proved to be INHERENTLY harmful, i.e. harmful in all possible cases. People who dont want a particular type of treatment dont have to have it, but they shouldn't deny it to others. "It is not the function of our government to keep the citizen from falling into error; it is the function of the citizen to keep the government from falling into error." Justice Robert H. Jackson-- NEURONAUTIC INSTITUTE on-line: http://home.earthlink.net/~thew > From: Amelia <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Reply-To: Conspiracy Theory Research List <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2001 02:32:34 -0500 > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: [CTRL] Fw: Bush threatens veto in stem-cell funding bill > > -Caveat Lector- > > So for you this is a battle of whose beliefs win?? Yours or > someone else's? I don't think cures are promised in most cases, > just better treatment and I think the drug companies will > absolutely love this. Better yet, let them fund it. Some good has > come from genetic research thus far but how about GM foods? > Deformed clones of animals or ones that die? Many people with > severe health problems have said they do not want to be treated > with methods thus derived. Force them to anyway or just don't tell > them?? It is a bit more complex than just "Christian Extremists." > One time some people are opposed to human experimentation and > another all for it. I find that confusing. > > > ~Amelia~ > > - Original Message - > From: "Steve Wingate" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Tuesday, August 14, 2001 1:54 AM > Subject: Re: [CTRL] Fw: Bush threatens veto in stem-cell funding > bill > > > -Caveat Lector- > > Correction: There is *potentially* plenty of fetal stem cell > tissue, much more > than the 60 lines Bush is limiting the research to. The problem is > that in order > to create stem cells from fetal tissue the fetus has to be > destroyed. Of course > most are destroyed anyway unless they are implanted into a woman's > womb > or kept frozen forever. But that does not make it right according > to the > Christian extremists, and unfortunatly they have an inordinate > influence of our > President who's intelligence is below normal and who's family has a > financial > interest in drug treatments of many of these illnesses. The last > thing they want > is a CURE! Typical. > > Steve > > > > Steve > > > On 13 Aug 01, at 23:46, Conspiracy Theory Research Li wrote: > >> There is plenty of fetal stem cell tissue, much more than the 60 > lines Bush is >> limiting the research to. Too bad he is so afraid to offend the > extreme >> rightwing Christians. >> >> Steve > > > > Steve Wingate, Webmaster > ANOMALOUS IMAGES AND UFO FILES > http://www.anomalous-images.com > > http://www.ctrl.org/";>www.ctrl.org > DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER > == > CTRL is a discussion & informational exchange list. Proselytizing > propagandic > screeds are unwelcomed. Substance-not soap-boxing-please! These > are > sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'-with its many half-truths, > mis- > directions and outright frauds-is used politically by different > groups with > major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and > thought. > That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, > and > always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no > credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. > > Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. > === > = > Archives Available at: > http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html > http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html";>Archives > of > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ > http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/";>ctrl > === > = > To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: > SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: > SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Om > > http://www.ctrl.org/";>www.ctrl.org > DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER > == > CTRL is a discussion & informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic > screeds are unwelcomed. Substance
Re: [CTRL] Fw: Bush threatens veto in stem-cell funding bill
-Caveat Lector- stem cell research can lead to curing Parkinson's, and many other debilitating and deadly diseases one of the few positive uses for a govt. IS funding helpful science. what problems with cloning are you referring to? Free your mind and your ass will follow. St George NEURONAUTIC INSTITUTE on-line: http://home.earthlink.net/~thew > From: Amelia <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Reply-To: Conspiracy Theory Research List <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2001 01:09:09 -0500 > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: [CTRL] Fw: Bush threatens veto in stem-cell funding bill > > -Caveat Lector- > > Like he really thinks it will end here with these 'cell lines'! > There will always be a need for one more and one more. I think > this money could have been better spent on adult stem cell research > where there is truly an unlimited supply. Why does the govt have > to fund everything anyway! Why do research in an area with limited > amount of tissue? And how do they know these lines will replicate > indefinitely? That HAS to be theory only and we have seen the > problems with cloning. > ~Amelia~ > > http://www.msnbc.com/news/610311.asp > > http://www.ctrl.org/";>www.ctrl.org > DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER > == > CTRL is a discussion & informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic > screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are > sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- > directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with > major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. > That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and > always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no > credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. > > Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. > > Archives Available at: > http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html > http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html";>Archives of > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ > http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/";>ctrl > > To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: > SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: > SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Om http://www.ctrl.org/";>www.ctrl.org DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion & informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html";>Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED] http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/";>ctrl To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Fw: Bush threatens veto in stem-cell funding bill
-Caveat Lector- On 14 Aug 01, at 2:32, Amelia wrote: > So for you this is a battle of whose beliefs win?? Yours or > someone else's? It is a battle between rational science, and religious dogma. > I don't think cures are promised in most cases, > just better treatment and I think the drug companies will > absolutely love this. Drug companies do not like cures unless they have the cure. Drug companies have made most of their money in the past by treating chronic conditions, not curing disease. > Better yet, let them fund it. Some good has > come from genetic research thus far Private companies do not make their results available to their competitors so their reseach usually serves their profit motives, not necessarily the best way for science to progress in the most efficient manner. far but how about GM foods? > Deformed clones of animals or ones that die? Many people with > severe health problems have said they do not want to be treated > with methods thus derived. Force them to anyway or just don't tell > them?? These are separate issues and should not be confused with embryonic stem cell research. It is a bit more complex than just "Christian Extremists." The 'Christian extremists' are the main group opposing embryonic stem cell research. > One time some people are opposed to human experimentation and > another all for it. I find that confusing. I guess it depends on the reason for the research. Steve > > Steve Wingate, Webmaster ANOMALOUS IMAGES AND UFO FILES http://www.anomalous-images.com http://www.ctrl.org/";>www.ctrl.org DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion & informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html";>Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED] http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/";>ctrl To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Fw: Bush threatens veto in stem-cell funding bill
-Caveat Lector- So for you this is a battle of whose beliefs win?? Yours or someone else's? I don't think cures are promised in most cases, just better treatment and I think the drug companies will absolutely love this. Better yet, let them fund it. Some good has come from genetic research thus far but how about GM foods? Deformed clones of animals or ones that die? Many people with severe health problems have said they do not want to be treated with methods thus derived. Force them to anyway or just don't tell them?? It is a bit more complex than just "Christian Extremists." One time some people are opposed to human experimentation and another all for it. I find that confusing. ~Amelia~ - Original Message - From: "Steve Wingate" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Tuesday, August 14, 2001 1:54 AM Subject: Re: [CTRL] Fw: Bush threatens veto in stem-cell funding bill -Caveat Lector- Correction: There is *potentially* plenty of fetal stem cell tissue, much more than the 60 lines Bush is limiting the research to. The problem is that in order to create stem cells from fetal tissue the fetus has to be destroyed. Of course most are destroyed anyway unless they are implanted into a woman's womb or kept frozen forever. But that does not make it right according to the Christian extremists, and unfortunatly they have an inordinate influence of our President who's intelligence is below normal and who's family has a financial interest in drug treatments of many of these illnesses. The last thing they want is a CURE! Typical. Steve Steve On 13 Aug 01, at 23:46, Conspiracy Theory Research Li wrote: > There is plenty of fetal stem cell tissue, much more than the 60 lines Bush is > limiting the research to. Too bad he is so afraid to offend the extreme > rightwing Christians. > > Steve Steve Wingate, Webmaster ANOMALOUS IMAGES AND UFO FILES http://www.anomalous-images.com http://www.ctrl.org/";>www.ctrl.org DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion & informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substance-not soap-boxing-please! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'-with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright frauds-is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. === = Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html";>Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED] http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/";>ctrl === = To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om http://www.ctrl.org/";>www.ctrl.org DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion & informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html";>Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED] http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/";>ctrl To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Fw: Bush threatens veto in stem-cell funding bill
-Caveat Lector- Correction: There is *potentially* plenty of fetal stem cell tissue, much more than the 60 lines Bush is limiting the research to. The problem is that in order to create stem cells from fetal tissue the fetus has to be destroyed. Of course most are destroyed anyway unless they are implanted into a woman's womb or kept frozen forever. But that does not make it right according to the Christian extremists, and unfortunatly they have an inordinate influence of our President who's intelligence is below normal and who's family has a financial interest in drug treatments of many of these illnesses. The last thing they want is a CURE! Typical. Steve Steve On 13 Aug 01, at 23:46, Conspiracy Theory Research Li wrote: > There is plenty of fetal stem cell tissue, much more than the 60 lines Bush is > limiting the research to. Too bad he is so afraid to offend the extreme > rightwing Christians. > > Steve Steve Wingate, Webmaster ANOMALOUS IMAGES AND UFO FILES http://www.anomalous-images.com http://www.ctrl.org/";>www.ctrl.org DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion & informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html";>Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED] http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/";>ctrl To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Fw: Bush threatens veto in stem-cell funding bill
-Caveat Lector- On 14 Aug 01, at 1:09, Amelia wrote: > Why do research in an area with limited > amount of tissue? There is plenty of fetal stem cell tissue, much more than the 60 lines Bush is limiting the research to. Too bad he is so afraid to offend the extreme rightwing Christians. Steve Steve Wingate, Webmaster ANOMALOUS IMAGES AND UFO FILES http://www.anomalous-images.com http://www.ctrl.org/";>www.ctrl.org DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion & informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html";>Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED] http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/";>ctrl To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Fw: Bush threatens veto in stem-cell funding bill
-Caveat Lector- Adult stem cells are not as promising as the stem cells derived from the fetus. Federal funding helps advance science. Eventually more lines will be added when results are forthcoming and we the people demand that religious influence over our goverment to the detriment of science must stop. Why are some against progress especially when it can help so many *living* people? What is wrong with sacrificing a few frozen cells in order to help so many who are much more developed and actually have a brain? Steve Steve On 14 Aug 01, at 1:09, Amelia wrote: > Like he really thinks it will end here with these 'cell lines'! > There will always be a need for one more and one more. I think > this money could have been better spent on adult stem cell research > where there is truly an unlimited supply. Why does the govt have > to fund everything anyway! Why do research in an area with limited > amount of tissue? And how do they know these lines will replicate > indefinitely? That HAS to be theory only and we have seen the > problems with cloning. > ~Amelia~ Steve Wingate, Webmaster ANOMALOUS IMAGES AND UFO FILES http://www.anomalous-images.com http://www.ctrl.org/";>www.ctrl.org DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion & informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html";>Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED] http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/";>ctrl To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
