Re: [CTRL] Fw: Waco's Little Rock Connection
-Caveat Lector- --- Ric Carter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Bite the (alleged) duck's ass and see. Only if you buy the orange sauce.snort __ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Fw: Waco's Little Rock Connection
-Caveat Lector- If an alien in a duck suit doesn't bite your ass is it still real? Ric Carter wrote: -Caveat Lector- - Original Message - From: Theodor Parada, MD [EMAIL PROTECTED] When it walks like a duck, and quacks like a duck, it's a duck!! Or it's an alien in a duck suit. DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Fw: Waco's Little Rock Connection
-Caveat Lector- Yeah they were 3 of the 50 or so mysterious deaths surrounding Clintons immediate administration...he is a remoreseless killer as they all are...when people become assets of the world banking industry through a paper money swindle/debtors society, then overpopulation is encouraged as a means to profit...this includes drastic depopulation through wars and all that. Your point is well taken here. Thanks...B "Theodor Parada, MD" wrote: -Caveat Lector- Does anyone recall that 3 of the 4 ATF agents that were assigned to Billie Boy Clinton during his presidential campaign in 92, died in the waco raid!!! what a coincidence! When it walks like a duck, and quacks like a duck, it's a duck!! Waco's Little Rock connection September 3, 1999 Joseph Farah Finally, there's some finger-pointing going on in the executive branch of the federal government over the exterminations of more than 70 men, women and children at the Branch Davidian church in Waco in 1993. It's about time. This is progress. But we won't be any closer to holding the guilty accountable until the White House connections are fully explored. There's ample reason to believe Bill Clinton was working behind the scenes on engineering the initial Waco raid even before he became president. One of the original witnesses against the Branch Davidians was Bill Buford, the agent in charge of the Little Rock, Ark., branch of the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms. Buford was, also, according to Arkansas sources, a friend of Bill. The Waco case was apparently very important to Buford as an affidavit states he was working on New Year's Day calling former Branch Davidians seeking to find evidence of sexual abuse. My friend and colleague, Andy Beal, who first explored the Little Rock connection to Waco, asks a good question: What was the resident agent in charge of the Little Rock office of the BATF doing investigating a sex abuse case in Texas? Is sex abuse BATF's jurisdiction? Is Texas under the jurisdiction of the BATF's Arkansas office? Documents show Buford is noted as one of two "senior raid planners." He was also one of the BATF agents wounded during the Feb. 28 assault, but he is perhaps the only BATF agent to be visited in the hospital by none other than top Treasury Department official Roger Altman. Altman was the long-time "Friend of Bill" appointed to be deputy secretary of the Treasury and chief executive officer of the Resolution Trust Corporation. He resigned in August 1994 due to his interference in the Whitewater investigation. At the time of the Waco raid, Roger Altman was the second highest-ranking official at the Department of the Treasury. The BATF is a bureau within the Treasury Department. Is it not possible -- is it not likely, knowing what we know about the character of the Clinton administration today -- that the Clinton transition team was involved in the planning of the initial raid on Waco even before taking power? Remember, Vincent Foster's wife claimed he blamed himself for the deaths in Waco. Webster Hubbell, who became the point man between the Justice Department and White House during the siege, was also instrumental in that transition to power. Then there's Altman and Buford. Foster, Hubbell, Altman and Buford were all in Little Rock leading up to the inauguration. Clinton takes power Jan. 20, 1993. One month later, the BATF stages the largest and most dramatic raid in its history -- videotaped in living color in anticipation of its success in subduing religious non-conformists in possession of illegal guns. The injustice and illegality of the initial raid has still never been fully examined. Today the focus is on how and why the remaining occupants of the church building were exterminated in a fire. Yet, the equally puzzling question of why a dynamic and violent entry was necessary to serve a search warrant on David Koresh shortly after he went target shooting with officers of the BATF. The local sheriff offered to serve the warrant at the general store to avoid any confrontation. There was simply no need for all the deadly theatrics of the initial raid. The only reasonable explanation seems to be the one proffered by the documentary, "Waco: Rules of Engagement," which postulates that the raid was intended as a public relations effort by the BATF and a commercial for stricter gun control enforcement. There are many unanswered questions when it comes to Waco. But maybe now it's time to start asking some of the unasked questions. What was the involvement in Waco planning of key Clinton White House officials even before they took power? Was the Waco raid, in fact, cooked up as a publicity and political stunt by an incoming administration itching for drama and action? Is it possible
Re: [CTRL] Fw: Waco's Little Rock Connection
-Caveat Lector- - Original Message - From: Bill [EMAIL PROTECTED] Ric Carter wrote: From: Theodor Parada, MD [EMAIL PROTECTED] When it walks like a duck, and quacks like a duck, it's a duck!! Or it's an alien in a duck suit. If an alien in a duck suit doesn't bite your ass is it still real? Bite the (alleged) duck's ass and see. Verify, verify, verify... Ric "heading down to the duckpond, jaws twitching" Carter DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Fw: Waco's Little Rock Connection
-Caveat Lector- Does anyone recall that 3 of the 4 ATF agents that were assigned to Billie Boy Clinton during his presidential campaign in 92, died in the waco raid!!! what a coincidence! When it walks like a duck, and quacks like a duck, it's a duck!! Waco's Little Rock connection September 3, 1999 Joseph Farah Finally, there's some finger-pointing going on in the executive branch of the federal government over the exterminations of more than 70 men, women and children at the Branch Davidian church in Waco in 1993. It's about time. This is progress. But we won't be any closer to holding the guilty accountable until the White House connections are fully explored. There's ample reason to believe Bill Clinton was working behind the scenes on engineering the initial Waco raid even before he became president. One of the original witnesses against the Branch Davidians was Bill Buford, the agent in charge of the Little Rock, Ark., branch of the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms. Buford was, also, according to Arkansas sources, a friend of Bill. The Waco case was apparently very important to Buford as an affidavit states he was working on New Year's Day calling former Branch Davidians seeking to find evidence of sexual abuse. My friend and colleague, Andy Beal, who first explored the Little Rock connection to Waco, asks a good question: What was the resident agent in charge of the Little Rock office of the BATF doing investigating a sex abuse case in Texas? Is sex abuse BATF's jurisdiction? Is Texas under the jurisdiction of the BATF's Arkansas office? Documents show Buford is noted as one of two "senior raid planners." He was also one of the BATF agents wounded during the Feb. 28 assault, but he is perhaps the only BATF agent to be visited in the hospital by none other than top Treasury Department official Roger Altman. Altman was the long-time "Friend of Bill" appointed to be deputy secretary of the Treasury and chief executive officer of the Resolution Trust Corporation. He resigned in August 1994 due to his interference in the Whitewater investigation. At the time of the Waco raid, Roger Altman was the second highest-ranking official at the Department of the Treasury. The BATF is a bureau within the Treasury Department. Is it not possible -- is it not likely, knowing what we know about the character of the Clinton administration today -- that the Clinton transition team was involved in the planning of the initial raid on Waco even before taking power? Remember, Vincent Foster's wife claimed he blamed himself for the deaths in Waco. Webster Hubbell, who became the point man between the Justice Department and White House during the siege, was also instrumental in that transition to power. Then there's Altman and Buford. Foster, Hubbell, Altman and Buford were all in Little Rock leading up to the inauguration. Clinton takes power Jan. 20, 1993. One month later, the BATF stages the largest and most dramatic raid in its history -- videotaped in living color in anticipation of its success in subduing religious non-conformists in possession of illegal guns. The injustice and illegality of the initial raid has still never been fully examined. Today the focus is on how and why the remaining occupants of the church building were exterminated in a fire. Yet, the equally puzzling question of why a dynamic and violent entry was necessary to serve a search warrant on David Koresh shortly after he went target shooting with officers of the BATF. The local sheriff offered to serve the warrant at the general store to avoid any confrontation. There was simply no need for all the deadly theatrics of the initial raid. The only reasonable explanation seems to be the one proffered by the documentary, "Waco: Rules of Engagement," which postulates that the raid was intended as a public relations effort by the BATF and a commercial for stricter gun control enforcement. There are many unanswered questions when it comes to Waco. But maybe now it's time to start asking some of the unasked questions. What was the involvement in Waco planning of key Clinton White House officials even before they took power? Was the Waco raid, in fact, cooked up as a publicity and political stunt by an incoming administration itching for drama and action? Is it possible that Clinton and his cronies bear even more responsibility than any of us imagine for this deadly escapade? = Theodor S.Parada, MD [EMAIL PROTECTED] PGP Key ID 0x537C4815 "A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly. But the traitor moves amongst those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling
Re: [CTRL] Fw: Waco's Little Rock Connection
-Caveat Lector- Has anyone seen the original search warrant? Ive been asking this for five years with no answers. ANTONY C SUTTON DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Fw: Waco's Little Rock Connection
-Caveat Lector- - Original Message - From: Theodor Parada, MD [EMAIL PROTECTED] When it walks like a duck, and quacks like a duck, it's a duck!! Or it's an alien in a duck suit. DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Fw: Waco's Little Rock Connection
-Caveat Lector- There is a complete description of the warrant (but not a reproduction) in a very poorly written, self-published book by Ron Cole of Longmont, Colorado named "Sinister Twilight". The book, however, does have some good information in it. E-Mail me privately and I'll give you two address to write for copies of the book, if anyone is interested. Second edition came out in 1994. Jean --- At 07:35 PM 9/3/99 EDT, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -Caveat Lector- Has anyone seen the original search warrant? Ive been asking this for five years with no answers. ANTONY C SUTTON DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
