Re: [CTRL] Homeopathy -the second curve
-Caveat Lector- On Mon, 27 Sep 1999 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 9/27/99 12:53:34 PM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Also the major drug companies have a large financial incentives to discover expensive, patentable cures above natural inexpensive cures. Having said all that i'd trust normal alipathic medicines to cure sicknesses. (Although I wouldnt always trust doctors with those medicines) John Yes, the incentive is to devise incredibly expensive drugs that require huge payments to pharmaceutical companies. They really can't make money off of something that is essentially water. As for allopathic medicine . . . it does work, at least sometimes, but works on a different principle, which is probably NOT the best way to treat disease. Allopathic medicine is designed to attack and to destroy, rather than heal, per se. In my view a paradigm shift in the medical community AWAY from allopathic medicine and into an approach that focuses on healing the damage done to the body rather than attacking the body along with the disease. That is the main problem with the philisophical basis of allopathy or western medical care via The AMA. The AMA states that their physicians "take pride in early detection and cure of disease." Osteopathy, Homeopathy, Naturopathy, Eastern Herbal medicine, etc., etc., etc. (i.e., just about all forms of medical care delivery outside those sanctioned and under the auspices of the AMA, or BMA in the UK, or the APA (The Amer. Psychiatric Assoc), ALL aim at preventative efforts, i.e., to keep one in balance, or to help the human body return to a proper homeostatic balance. I mean, is it not extremely obvious that ALL these "alternative" forms of medicine, were they able to do this, are totally undesirable to the financial well being of western physicians and the AMA creed, i.e., "early detection and cure?" I mean, COME ON!?!?!? Gimme a break:) AND, btw, all you guys that say that these "alternative" types of medicine are non-effective (eg., the M.D. on list that *seems* to be spouting all that AMA hard line, nonsensical crap, etc), and that somehow the effects of ANY of these "alternatives" are imaginary...well, not only are the effects of many of these remedies real, but they are POWERFUL (i.e., just as allopathy, they can and have killed by way of overdose, etc). What's more, very few IF ANY modern scientists and AMA physicians would take the very narrow and totally non-supportable position that the effects of such remedies and medicines are placebos or are not real. I mean, ANY other tack would be more supportable (eg., that such "alternative medicines" can be dangerous, can hide meaningful symptoms from western type diagnosis, are dangerous in the hands of non-experts, etc., etc.), The effects of MOST natural or ancient medical treatments on the human body are ANYTHING but imaginary or nonexistent, i.e., the physiological responses are QUITE EASILY measurable. Naturally occurring medicines and/or modern treatments based on ancient medical knowledge are, in many instances, both real and powerful, JUST AS WESTERN PHARMACOLOGICAL PRESCRIPTIONS ARE! And to this, THERE IS NO DOUBT, i.e., IT IS _FACT_, and unarguable, period. = Kadosh, Kadosh, Kadosh, YHVH, TZEVAOT FROM THE DESK OF:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *Mike Spitzer* [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] The Best Way To Destroy Enemies Is To Change Them To Friends Shalom, A Salaam Aleikum, and to all, A Good Day. = DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Homeopathy -the second curve
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 9/28/99 8:35:01 PM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: bulletproof ignorance... complete safety from scarey facts. Ignorance??? From a guy that can't correctly spell "scary" I'm not too put off... The burden of proof Goob, is on those making the wild and fantastic claims, not on me or anyone else...Homeopathy is bunk pure and simple...the pseudoscience behind it is a joke, and it's proponents are hucksters. Say, does Floyd sell homeopathic water at his barber shop? Mayberry...Asheville, did "y'all" miss a meeting??? It's almost 2000, we be movin' forward! Bill. DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Homeopathy -the second curve
-Caveat Lector- Gods- how tightly wound up in self-importance can a man's mind be?! The proof that something works is that it works. Your failure to understand the THEORY isn't an obstacle to the efficacy of homoeopathy! (rotfl) Practically any science has some "doctrine" - but homoeopathy is based in EMPIRICISM. That is to say that a body of direct observations, and continuing affirmations or adjustment of philosophy to suit the reality observed is the SCIENTIFIC method- as opposed to the pseudoscientific methods of the bad-science-for-hire folks who produce the phony drug tests that get stuff approved by FDA's methods- and which are placed financially and politically out-of-reach of all but the major drug pushers. (you ARE aware that you live in a very repressive and controlled society, aren't you? Expand your borders a little- check out the fact that homoepathy is heavily repressed in the U.S., yet is widely used in India, Europe, Canada, Mexico, Australia ) You also appear to be mind-wrapped with Cartesian-reductionist dialetic -- wake UP! 19th century physics has been replaced! In spite of the fact that newer science is only just beginning to find some understanding of homoeopathy: Cholera is routinely treated by homoeopaths in India, as are all manner of disease. "Modern" western medicine is very useful as trauma-medicine, but is a complete failure with chronic disease, and it's pharmaceuticals and methods of prescribing them have made it into a KILLER in the U.S. ... more people were killed by doctor-prescribed DRUGS last year than died in automobile accidents. True. Check it out, and THINK about it. On THIS list I would expect a little more attention to fact, and a little less parrotting of "party line" ... It's no great cognitive leap to realize that herbs and other alternatives including homoeopathy are ruthlessly suppressed for a couple of reasons. 1. many alternatives are not PATENTABLE. (get it?) 2. they actually WORK, and where would all the profits go without the lines of repeat customers? 3. MALTHUSIANIASM is very popular among the elite. Read some of this stuff: http://www.ioa.com/~davehart/altmedcon.htm If you want to discuss it, I'm here. Dave Hartley http://www.ioa.com/~davehart -Original Message- From: Conspiracy Theory Research List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Ric Carter Sent: Monday, September 27, 1999 9:25 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [CTRL] Homeopathy -the second curve -Caveat Lector- - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] You will never understand homeopathy and many other New Science technologies if you think in the conventional framework. Ah, so we have to stop demanding that they be demonstrably effective? You have to posit another dimension..we call it 4-space We already live in 4-space - it's called space-time. Within conventional thinking homeopathy CANNOT WORK for several reasons especially Avogadros limit...past a certain point of dilution not one molecule of the physical substance remains. Yes, it's hard for non-existant stuff to work. But if you posit another dimension it does explain the phenomenon. Posit whatever you will, but demonstrate 1) the existence of what you've posited and 2) the validity of your claims. But the theoretical basis of homeopathy is irrelevant if it doesn't work. If it worked, it would be exploited commercially on a mass- industrial basis. Major drug firms would squeeze every possible dollar out of it. As it is, homeopathy is well-marketed to the credulous, and works about as well as any placebo can be expected to. But if SKF Beecham and CibaGeigy et al can't find effective uses for homeopathic preparations, why should I trust a clerk at a GNC assuring me that their green goo is good? Like I said, next time you get cholera, see a homeopath. See MEMORY OF WATER page 26 for the second curve, which is Hahnemanns 'spirit essense" Ah, "spirit essense" - to claim it, and to establish it, are rather different endeavors. Demonstrate the existence of 'spirits', then demonstrate that water has 'spirit', then show that water has a "spirit essense" and 'memory', then produce independent replication of these experiments, and I'll start to take such claims seriously. If you think only in conventional scientific terms you will give yourslf a headache, get frustrated and never understand.. Homeopathy is based on a doctrine. Doctrines suck. Science is based on the rigorous testing of ideas - doctrines tend to fade away under such scrutiny. Science WILL give you a headache, but it works. Doctrines will soothe your mind, but won't lead you to fruitful discoveries. Bother. Loosen up your mind. Tighten up your standards. DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sor
Re: [CTRL] Homeopathy -the second curve
-Caveat Lector- Just a quick word here Dave, I used to work for a year in a healthfood store. I know where they make a profit, hypochonriacs. You wouldn't believe how many different things a person will buy in the quest to feel good. I know there may be not much money in homeopathy etc but many people will buy big pile of one type of remedy. Whether they think the cure is vitamins, herbs, drops whatever. They were back time after time with another shopping basket full. A fancy coloured box with a nice drawing on the with artificial Vit c or artifical something else etc people were like locusts. They make trick wording so people don't know they are getting imitation vitamins. Eg Vit C with ACEROLA, big drawing of cherries. Mostly ascorbic acid and a teensy bit of acerola. Conned again. Personally I think Bach flower remedies and homeopathy prob do more good. Nicky Dave wrote: It's no great cognitive leap to realize that herbs and other alternatives including homoeopathy are ruthlessly suppressed for a couple of reasons. 1. many alternatives are not PATENTABLE. (get it?) 2. they actually WORK, and where would all the profits go without the lines of repeat customers? 3. MALTHUSIANIASM is very popular among the elite. DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Homeopathy -the second curve
-Caveat Lector- bulletproof ignorance... complete safety from scarey facts. Dave Hartley http://www.Asheville-Computer.com http://www.ioa.com/~davehart -Original Message- From: Conspiracy Theory Research List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of William Shannon Sent: Monday, September 27, 1999 6:55 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [CTRL] Homeopathy -the second curve -Caveat Lector- In a message dated 9/27/99 9:46:34 AM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: You have to PROVE them wrong. You cannot ASSUME them to be wrong. Actually...the onus is on those making wild and silly claims"Extraordinary claims require extraordinary proof"...words to live by my gullible friend! I assume them to be DEAD WRONG... Bill. DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Homeopathy -the second curve
-Caveat Lector- - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] You will never understand homeopathy and many other New Science technologies if you think in the conventional framework. Ah, so we have to stop demanding that they be demonstrably effective? You have to posit another dimension..we call it 4-space We already live in 4-space - it's called space-time. Within conventional thinking homeopathy CANNOT WORK for several reasons especially Avogadros limit...past a certain point of dilution not one molecule of the physical substance remains. Yes, it's hard for non-existant stuff to work. But if you posit another dimension it does explain the phenomenon. Posit whatever you will, but demonstrate 1) the existence of what you've posited and 2) the validity of your claims. But the theoretical basis of homeopathy is irrelevant if it doesn't work. If it worked, it would be exploited commercially on a mass- industrial basis. Major drug firms would squeeze every possible dollar out of it. As it is, homeopathy is well-marketed to the credulous, and works about as well as any placebo can be expected to. But if SKF Beecham and CibaGeigy et al can't find effective uses for homeopathic preparations, why should I trust a clerk at a GNC assuring me that their green goo is good? Like I said, next time you get cholera, see a homeopath. See MEMORY OF WATER page 26 for the second curve, which is Hahnemanns 'spirit essense" Ah, "spirit essense" - to claim it, and to establish it, are rather different endeavors. Demonstrate the existence of 'spirits', then demonstrate that water has 'spirit', then show that water has a "spirit essense" and 'memory', then produce independent replication of these experiments, and I'll start to take such claims seriously. If you think only in conventional scientific terms you will give yourslf a headache, get frustrated and never understand.. Homeopathy is based on a doctrine. Doctrines suck. Science is based on the rigorous testing of ideas - doctrines tend to fade away under such scrutiny. Science WILL give you a headache, but it works. Doctrines will soothe your mind, but won't lead you to fruitful discoveries. Bother. Loosen up your mind. Tighten up your standards. DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Homeopathy -the second curve
-Caveat Lector- l, Of course they have to be demonstrable..You have inserted your assumption into my statement.. Again study the MEMORY OF WATER by Michel Schiiff and the work of Jacques Benveniste. at INSERM, in Paris. At last count there were 500 confirming experiments Schiff is the summary of many years of repeated experimentation in France and Italy. This is the demonstration of effectiveness you ask for. Read it and THEN give me your criticism. At the moment you are in the "I dont want to hear about it school " You are making an emphatic statement without looking at the evidence. This is the height of irrationaility., but quite common according to Kuhn THE STRUCTURE OF SCIENTIFIC REVOLUTION. 2. Its a matter of definition.Using your definition then my 4-space would be 5-space. There is an entire US AIR FORCE study based on this confusion. It depends how you handle space-time in the new dimension. Just say extra-dimensional to avoid the problem. 3. Non-existant within YOUR assumed definition.. This has nothing to do with the physical dimension, this is extra-dimensional and you restririct your thinking to the physical.. 4. Read , study MEMORY OF WATER by Michel Schiff Then get back on line with your comments. I will be most interested to hear your criticism. IF there is a flaw it will be in the laboratory methodology. Take a look maybe you can find it. But it is unlikely that dozens of researchers are repeating the same mistake.. You have to PROVE them wrong. You cannot ASSUME them to be wrong. You will find a quick overview in SCIENCE CITATION INDEX which has a list of high dilution experiments made between 1985 and 1996 ANTONY SUTTON DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Homeopathy -the second curve
-Caveat Lector- i'm not into homeopathy and tried one of their medicines for hay fever to try and avoid that dopey feeling but found it didnt work. However I remember in the economist(about 5yrs ago) they reported controlled experiments carried out at glasgow, that did produce positive results with some homeopathic medicines. As to water having some sort of memory, in chemical plants, one of the tecqniques to reduce scaling in heat exchangers is to pass it through a strong magnetic field. Also the major drug companies have a large financial incentives to discover expensive, patentable cures above natural inexpensive cures. Having said all that i'd trust normal alipathic medicines to cure sicknesses. (Although I wouldnt always trust doctors with those medicines) John -Original Message- From: Ric Carter [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 27 September 1999 03:25 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [CTRL] Homeopathy -the second curve -Caveat Lector- - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] You will never understand homeopathy and many other New Science technologies if you think in the conventional framework. Ah, so we have to stop demanding that they be demonstrably effective? You have to posit another dimension..we call it 4-space We already live in 4-space - it's called space-time. Within conventional thinking homeopathy CANNOT WORK for several reasons especially Avogadros limit...past a certain point of dilution not one molecule of the physical substance remains. Yes, it's hard for non-existant stuff to work. But if you posit another dimension it does explain the phenomenon. Posit whatever you will, but demonstrate 1) the existence of what you've posited and 2) the validity of your claims. But the theoretical basis of homeopathy is irrelevant if it doesn't work. If it worked, it would be exploited commercially on a mass- industrial basis. Major drug firms would squeeze every possible dollar out of it. As it is, homeopathy is well-marketed to the credulous, and works about as well as any placebo can be expected to. But if SKF Beecham and CibaGeigy et al can't find effective uses for homeopathic preparations, why should I trust a clerk at a GNC assuring me that their green goo is good? Like I said, next time you get cholera, see a homeopath. See MEMORY OF WATER page 26 for the second curve, which is Hahnemanns 'spirit essense" Ah, "spirit essense" - to claim it, and to establish it, are rather different endeavors. Demonstrate the existence of 'spirits', then demonstrate that water has 'spirit', then show that water has a "spirit essense" and 'memory', then produce independent replication of these experiments, and I'll start to take such claims seriously. If you think only in conventional scientific terms you will give yourslf a headache, get frustrated and never understand.. Homeopathy is based on a doctrine. Doctrines suck. Science is based on the rigorous testing of ideas - doctrines tend to fade away under such scrutiny. Science WILL give you a headache, but it works. Doctrines will soothe your mind, but won't lead you to fruitful discoveries. Bother. Loosen up your mind. Tighten up your standards. DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substance-not soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and
Re: [CTRL] Homeopathy -the second curve
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 9/27/99 9:46:34 AM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: You have to PROVE them wrong. You cannot ASSUME them to be wrong. Actually...the onus is on those making wild and silly claims"Extraordinary claims require extraordinary proof"...words to live by my gullible friend! I assume them to be DEAD WRONG... Bill. DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Homeopathy -the second curve
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 9/27/99 12:53:34 PM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Also the major drug companies have a large financial incentives to discover expensive, patentable cures above natural inexpensive cures. Having said all that i'd trust normal alipathic medicines to cure sicknesses. (Although I wouldnt always trust doctors with those medicines) John Yes, the incentive is to devise incredibly expensive drugs that require huge payments to pharmaceutical companies. They really can't make money off of something that is essentially water. As for allopathic medicine . . . it does work, at least sometimes, but works on a different principle, which is probably NOT the best way to treat disease. Allopathic medicine is designed to attack and to destroy, rather than heal, per se. In my view a paradigm shift in the medical community AWAY from allopathic medicine and into an approach that focuses on healing the damage done to the body rather than attacking the body along with the disease. DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
