Re: [CTRL] Israel -- WANTED: Holy Blood
-Caveat Lector- poor poor Joshua2 complained: Poor poor Bill Kingsbury. Since modern genetics has more or less disproved the most recent attempt to separate modern Jews from their history, namely the Bible and it geography, by debunking the * Jews are really Khazars * nonsense, he now has to fall back on quoting the Jewish encyclopedia circa 1905 to keep up the good work. NEVER did I believe "the Jews are really Kazars." Stop your lies. Send all your pathetic whining to the author, kiddo, or get help. You have nothing to fear -- except your desperate state of mind. NEVER did I quote "the Jewish encyclopedia circa 1905." Send all your anxieties to the author, who quoted many Jewish *scientists*. Craniometry? Purity of Race? Round heads and Long Heads? Hittites? Armenians? snip Wasn't craniometry laughed at as far back as the 1930's? Are you thinking of the old Phrenology (skull bump analysis) ? Otherwise, *prove* to us that Craniometry is "unscientific," if you suffer doubts. And, what if the Jewish Encyclopedia article *is* scientifically sound -- what then ? Are Jewish Hittites and Jewish Armenians any *less* Jewish ? What happened to Khazars? Don't I have postings from you proving that modern Jews are not Biblical Israel but Khazars? Khazars, Schmazars. If I posted anything that referred to some *Jewish- authored* Khazar theory -- this is a THEORY list, and it always was a THEORY list. If Jewish-authored *theories* drive you bananas, you're way too lost to think straight. You poor pathetic racist jerk. No matter how you slice it, it still comes out the same. I am, and you're not. Obviously, you are a stressed out Jewish bigot. But you're the only "pathetic racist jerk" here -- and one of the WORST, most Toxic examples this CTRL list has seen in well over a year. As for whether "I am" [a Jew] -- your kind need not know. Have you tried Holding Breath Therapy -- for your anxiety ? Ask your poor poor therapist(s) for help. Quick. BK Joshua2 . DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Israel -- WANTED: Holy Blood
-Caveat Lector- Poor poor Bill Kingsbury. Since modern genetics has more or less disproved the most recent attempt to separate modern Jews from their history, namely the Bible and it geography, by debunking the * Jews are really Khazars * nonsense, he now has to fall back on quoting the Jewish encyclopedia circa 1905 to keep up the good work. What's the matter Bill? Haven't the Jews produced a more up to date encyclopedia? ** In his article on Purity of Race, Jacobs gives several important facts that were forcing anthropologists of his day to reconsider the modern Jew's racial claims to be Biblical Israel. In the study of craniometry which involves the measurements of the skull, the evidence was clearly mounting against the modern Jews. After extensive samples were taken from a broad spectrum of Jewish groups world-wide. The conclusion was evident. Jacobs writes; "They are predominantly brachycephalic, or broad-headed, while the Semites of Arabic origin are invariably dolichocephalic, or long-headed" (Jew. Enc. X (1905), 284). Simply put, all known Semites have historically been long-headed, but the modern Jews were predominantly round-headed! While Jacobs avoids drawing any personal conclusions, he relates a prevailing view of his time: "Some anthropologist are inclined to associate the racial origins of the Jews, not with the Semites, whose language they adopted, but with the Armenians and Hittites of Mesopotamia, whose broad skulls and curved noses they appear to have inherited" (Jew. Enc. X (1905), 284). The findings of some anthropologist were leading them to conclude that the modern Jews were not in fact Semites at all, but rather descendants of the ancient Hittites. Jacobs however was personally hesitant to confess that the Jews were not the Jews, simply because of the profound implications it imposed. ** Craniometry? Purity of Race? Round heads and Long Heads? Hittites? Armenians? What happened to Khazars? Don't I have postings from you proving that modern Jews are not Biblical Israel but Khazars? Wasn't craniometry laughed at as far back as the 1930's? You poor pathetic racist jerk. No matter how you slice it, it still comes out the same. I am, and you're not. Joshua2 Bill Kingsbury wrote: -Caveat Lector- At 11:28 AM 9-28-1999 +0200, you wrote: Mr David Goldstein a geneticist at oxford university talks about a 'cohen' genetic signature. About 45% of Askenazic priests and 56% of Sephardic priests have the 'cohen' signature. This shows the story of the Askhenazi being descendants of the Khazars as being incorrect (unless of course the Khazars were one of the lost ten tribes) Or perhaps they got genetic implants from aliens just for the purpose of annoying you. --J2 Khazars may originally have been Edomites (or Hittites). Khazar tradition holds that they originally came from Mt. Seir in Edom. The Edomites were the ancient, major enemies of the Jews. John Hyrcanus' army defeated the neighboring Edomites and forced them all to *become* Jews (get circumcized or be killed) in 125 BC. The Edomites then practically took over Judea. The name 'Judea' was soon changed to 'Idumea' (Edom land). Their kings were the 'Jewish' Edomite Herodian dynasty (who built Herod's Temple). Many (or most?) Jewish Pharisees (not Saducees) were Edomite Jews. The Pharisees took over and put the Saducees out of business. The Jewish Encyclopedia says 'Edom is in modern Jewry.' (Many parts of the Bible are devoted to cursing all Edomites to death, including the entire Jewish book of Obadiah. Ban that bad book?) John As an aside, other gentic test appear to show that the Jews are more closely related to the armenians rather than the semites. The Book of the Prophet Ezekiel, from about 500 B.C.: 16:1 Again the word of the LORD came unto me, saying, 16:2 Son of man, cause Jerusalem to know her abominations, 16:3 And say, Thus saith the Lord GOD unto Jerusalem; Thy birth and thy nativity is of the land of Canaan; thy father was an Amorite, and thy mother an Hittite. WHO ARE THE MODERN JEWS? By Scott Stinson http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/hittites.htm In this age of brain-dead media programmed zombies, would it still be possible for the facts to speak? If so, there is something worth saying about the modern "Jewish" race, not written by anti-semites, but by Jews themselves -- and where else but in The Jewish Encyclopedia! Please excuse me for being so abrupt, but I had to get your attention. You see, this article is worth reading because it has some facts that you need to know about the authenticity of today's Jewish race. The question that must be asked as well as answered is simple: Are the modern Jews really the descendants of the ancient people of Israel? The source of our information is
Re: [CTRL] Israel -- WANTED: Holy Blood
-Caveat Lector- Das GOAT wrote: -Caveat Lector- In a message dated 99-09-28 12:37:25 EDT, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: In a message dated 9/28/99 1:29:09 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Each time Israel has had a monarch, since King David, it's been big trouble ... Last time it offered a Davidic "MESSIAH," things turned out even WORSE. Howdy, Can you expand on that statement? The United Kingdom was split in two by a civil war (led by the Prophets) as soon as David died and his son Solomon became king, claiming the Judean throne primarily by eliminating his brothers and other claimants next in line. Afterwards, raw power politics of a sort worthy only of a Herod. Judah under Assyrian rule -- "Messiah" Hezekiah put forward by the prophet Isaiah, but only ending in disaster. Judah under Egyptian vs. Babylonian rule -- "Messiah" Josiah put forward by the prophet Jeremiah, but only ending in disaster. Judah under Persian rule -- "Messiah" Joshua put forward by the anonymous prophet known to scholars as "second Isaiah," a mouthpiece for EZRA, but only ending in disaster. Judah under the Seleucids -- a Hasmonean/Maccabean "Messiah" (the subject of the apoocryphal Book of Daniel) put forward by the Zadokite priests who evolved into the"Essenes" of the Qumran Community, but, after several generations of corrupt Hasonean/Maccabean power politics, only ending in disaster, with the conquest of Judea by Rome under general Pompey the Great. Next, I'm referring, of course, to "Messiah" Yeshua ben Yusuf, aka Jesus Christ. I'm sure that when the anti-government agitation of John the Baptist (believed by many at the time to be the expected Messiah) first began causing problems for King Herod, Rome grew concerned that the fragile puppet-state it had established in order to keep the Jewish people in subjection to the Empire was being "destablized" by a "radical" faction among whose goals was independence of Roman rule. Messianic hopes --i.e., the outcry for a "Liberator" (from foreign oppression)-- were high among the populace -- so high, in fact, that Herod's "public relations" men in the "priestly" bureaucracy made an effort to convince the populace that Herod HIMSELF was that expected Messiah. That didn't fare too well either with Herod's Roman masters, since they understood full well that the MAIN attribute of any Messiah was that he spearhead a REVOLT against foreign domination. So Herodians shuttled back and forth between Jerusalem to Rome, trying to convince the Emperor of the "loyalty" (obedience) of their Jewish subjects to Roman authority and the ultimate security of these puppet-kings' Roman client State. So, when the execution of John the Baptist not only failed to quell popular discontent with Herod's rule --therefore, with ROMAN rule-- but instead led only to INCREASED agitation by John's disciples (led by the Baptist's protege Jesus of Nazareth), it was only a matter of time before Rome's "peacekeepers" would be dispatched to the Holy Land to "restore law and order" (just as had occurred a litle over a century earlier, when Judea was first conquered by the Empire) and put down increasing rioting by "armed dissidents" among the Jewish people. Rome, like any good Empire, thought first of preserving the "balance of power" in the global "commonwealth" it ruled and, like any good Empire, was committed to the "stability" which its fascist puppets guaranteed in its client-states, which of course provided all the economic resources the Empire required for the high standard of living enjoyed by Roman citizens everywhere. (Sound familiar?) Rome simply could not permit a kind of COUNTER-Empire --a RELIGIOUS State to which tens of millions of Jews throughout the Roman Empire might swear HIGHER allegience-- to come into being, at a time ironically coinciding with Roma's achievement of total hegemony in the Near East as well as in Europe. So, by the logic of "diplomacy" in ANY Empire, Rome needed to make an example of Judea for daring to question Roman authority, by destroying the freedom-loving SPIRIT of the Jews in every possible way -- by publicly "dethroning" the Jews' "all-powerful" God (by burning the Temple and urinating on the Holy of Holies), massacring the Jews' more revolutionary religious leaders, butchering millions of people in a show of Rome's military superiority, dispersing the Jews in wave after wave of refugees, and forbidding Jews from ever again setting foot in their own homeland. Standard "foreign policy," for the world's good, no? So, 2000 years after the crucifixion and reputed resurrection of the "Savior of mankind," what's changed? NOTHING. The "Empire" STILL rules, ABSOLUTELY -- after only a superficial change of clothing attendant on Constantine's adoption of the ROMANIZED "Christianity" of Paul as the "official STATE religion" -- the religion of a State that has never ceased to rule in ungodly
Re: [CTRL] Israel -- WANTED: Holy Blood
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 99-09-28 12:37:25 EDT, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: In a message dated 9/28/99 1:29:09 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Each time Israel has had a monarch, since King David, it's been big trouble ... Last time it offered a Davidic "MESSIAH," things turned out even WORSE. Howdy, Can you expand on that statement? The United Kingdom was split in two by a civil war (led by the Prophets) as soon as David died and his son Solomon became king, claiming the Judean throne primarily by eliminating his brothers and other claimants next in line. Afterwards, raw power politics of a sort worthy only of a Herod. Judah under Assyrian rule -- "Messiah" Hezekiah put forward by the prophet Isaiah, but only ending in disaster. Judah under Egyptian vs. Babylonian rule -- "Messiah" Josiah put forward by the prophet Jeremiah, but only ending in disaster. Judah under Persian rule -- "Messiah" Joshua put forward by the anonymous prophet known to scholars as "second Isaiah," a mouthpiece for EZRA, but only ending in disaster. Judah under the Seleucids -- a Hasmonean/Maccabean "Messiah" (the subject of the apoocryphal Book of Daniel) put forward by the Zadokite priests who evolved into the"Essenes" of the Qumran Community, but, after several generations of corrupt Hasonean/Maccabean power politics, only ending in disaster, with the conquest of Judea by Rome under general Pompey the Great. Next, I'm referring, of course, to "Messiah" Yeshua ben Yusuf, aka Jesus Christ. I'm sure that when the anti-government agitation of John the Baptist (believed by many at the time to be the expected Messiah) first began causing problems for King Herod, Rome grew concerned that the fragile puppet-state it had established in order to keep the Jewish people in subjection to the Empire was being "destablized" by a "radical" faction among whose goals was independence of Roman rule. Messianic hopes --i.e., the outcry for a "Liberator" (from foreign oppression)-- were high among the populace -- so high, in fact, that Herod's "public relations" men in the "priestly" bureaucracy made an effort to convince the populace that Herod HIMSELF was that expected Messiah. That didn't fare too well either with Herod's Roman masters, since they understood full well that the MAIN attribute of any Messiah was that he spearhead a REVOLT against foreign domination. So Herodians shuttled back and forth between Jerusalem to Rome, trying to convince the Emperor of the "loyalty" (obedience) of their Jewish subjects to Roman authority and the ultimate security of these puppet-kings' Roman client State. So, when the execution of John the Baptist not only failed to quell popular discontent with Herod's rule --therefore, with ROMAN rule-- but instead led only to INCREASED agitation by John's disciples (led by the Baptist's protege Jesus of Nazareth), it was only a matter of time before Rome's "peacekeepers" would be dispatched to the Holy Land to "restore law and order" (just as had occurred a litle over a century earlier, when Judea was first conquered by the Empire) and put down increasing rioting by "armed dissidents" among the Jewish people. Rome, like any good Empire, thought first of preserving the "balance of power" in the global "commonwealth" it ruled and, like any good Empire, was committed to the "stability" which its fascist puppets guaranteed in its client-states, which of course provided all the economic resources the Empire required for the high standard of living enjoyed by Roman citizens everywhere. (Sound familiar?) Rome simply could not permit a kind of COUNTER-Empire --a RELIGIOUS State to which tens of millions of Jews throughout the Roman Empire might swear HIGHER allegience-- to come into being, at a time ironically coinciding with Roma's achievement of total hegemony in the Near East as well as in Europe. So, by the logic of "diplomacy" in ANY Empire, Rome needed to make an example of Judea for daring to question Roman authority, by destroying the freedom-loving SPIRIT of the Jews in every possible way -- by publicly "dethroning" the Jews' "all-powerful" God (by burning the Temple and urinating on the Holy of Holies), massacring the Jews' more revolutionary religious leaders, butchering millions of people in a show of Rome's military superiority, dispersing the Jews in wave after wave of refugees, and forbidding Jews from ever again setting foot in their own homeland. Standard "foreign policy," for the world's good, no? So, 2000 years after the crucifixion and reputed resurrection of the "Savior of mankind," what's changed? NOTHING. The "Empire" STILL rules, ABSOLUTELY -- after only a superficial change of clothing attendant on Constantine's adoption of the ROMANIZED "Christianity" of Paul as the "official STATE religion" -- the religion of a State that has never ceased to rule in ungodly tyrannical fashion, a religion based on "slave morality" and sanctifying, first and foremost, Obedience to the
Re: [CTRL] Israel -- WANTED: Holy Blood
-Caveat Lector- At 11:28 AM 9-28-1999 +0200, you wrote: Mr David Goldstein a geneticist at oxford university talks about a 'cohen' genetic signature. About 45% of Askenazic priests and 56% of Sephardic priests have the 'cohen' signature. This shows the story of the Askhenazi being descendants of the Khazars as being incorrect (unless of course the Khazars were one of the lost ten tribes) Khazars may originally have been Edomites (or Hittites). Khazar tradition holds that they originally came from Mt. Seir in Edom. The Edomites were the ancient, major enemies of the Jews. John Hyrcanus' army defeated the neighboring Edomites and forced them all to *become* Jews (get circumcized or be killed) in 125 BC. The Edomites then practically took over Judea. The name 'Judea' was soon changed to 'Idumea' (Edom land). Their kings were the 'Jewish' Edomite Herodian dynasty (who built Herod's Temple). Many (or most?) Jewish Pharisees (not Saducees) were Edomite Jews. The Pharisees took over and put the Saducees out of business. The Jewish Encyclopedia says 'Edom is in modern Jewry.' (Many parts of the Bible are devoted to cursing all Edomites to death, including the entire Jewish book of Obadiah. Ban that bad book?) John As an aside, other gentic test appear to show that the Jews are more closely related to the armenians rather than the semites. The Book of the Prophet Ezekiel, from about 500 B.C.: 16:1 Again the word of the LORD came unto me, saying, 16:2 Son of man, cause Jerusalem to know her abominations, 16:3 And say, Thus saith the Lord GOD unto Jerusalem; Thy birth and thy nativity is of the land of Canaan; thy father was an Amorite, and thy mother an Hittite. WHO ARE THE MODERN JEWS? By Scott Stinson http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/hittites.htm In this age of brain-dead media programmed zombies, would it still be possible for the facts to speak? If so, there is something worth saying about the modern "Jewish" race, not written by anti-semites, but by Jews themselves -- and where else but in The Jewish Encyclopedia! Please excuse me for being so abrupt, but I had to get your attention. You see, this article is worth reading because it has some facts that you need to know about the authenticity of today's Jewish race. The question that must be asked as well as answered is simple: Are the modern Jews really the descendants of the ancient people of Israel? The source of our information is also quite simple: The Jewish Encyclopedia. Hopefully we will not find any anti-Semitism in the writings of these Jewish scholars. However, the reader should be forewarned. Their articles were written long before the age of mass-media social engineering and do not contain any of the familiar buzz-words common to today's new views. In other words, brace yourself for a factual scientific analysis of the racial origins of the modern Jews. Oh, and should you decide to verify any of these facts, you will find them in your local library in the 1901-1905 edition of The Jewish Encyclopedia. So, please, do read on. At the turn of the last century there was great interest stirring in the science of anthropology. In the wake of this, Jewish scholarship turned its watchful eye upon itself and began to examine the racial claims that modern Jews make to the ancestral heritage of ancient Israel. The results were startling. The religious community found itself completely alienated by its scientific counterpart. The scientific method was coming face to face with religious traditions and there was a great unsettling in the land. The facts were telling a different story than what had been heard for centuries in the local synagogue. In his article on Purity of Race, Joseph Jacobs relates something of the dilemma that was gripping the Jewish community at this time. He writes: "The question whether the Jews of today are in the main descended from the Jews of Bible times, and from them alone, is still undecided" (Jew. Enc. X (1905), 283). What a startling statement to come from a Jewish scholar and to be printed in The Jewish Encyclopedia! However, scholarship must have its reasons. Let us look further to see what the scientific community had discovered that would warrant such a radical and perplexing statement. In his article on Purity of Race, Jacobs gives several important facts that were forcing anthropologists of his day to reconsider the modern Jew's racial claims to be Biblical Israel. In the study of craniometry which involves the measurements of the skull, the evidence was clearly mounting against the modern Jews. After extensive samples were taken from a broad spectrum of Jewish groups world-wide. The conclusion was evident. Jacobs writes; "They are predominantly brachycephalic, or broad-headed, while the Semites of Arabic origin are
Re: [CTRL] Israel -- WANTED: Holy Blood
-Caveat Lector- Perhaps Biblically speaking... with regards to the article below we have a clear case for the fact spoken of in the Bible; specifically: "... I know thy works, and tribulation, and poverty, (but thou art rich), and I know the blasphemy of them which say they are Jews (Idumeans) and are not, but are the synagogue of Satan." Revelation 2:9 - KJV "... Behold, I will make them of the synagogue of Satan which say they are Jews, and are not, but do lie; Behold, I will make them to come and worship before thy feet, and to know that I have loved thee." Revelation 3:9 - Original Message - From: Bill Kingsbury [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, September 29, 1999 4:27 AM Subject: Re: [CTRL] Israel -- WANTED: "Holy Blood" -Caveat Lector- At 11:28 AM 9-28-1999 +0200, you wrote: Mr David Goldstein a geneticist at oxford university talks about a 'cohen' genetic signature. About 45% of Askenazic priests and 56% of Sephardic priests have the 'cohen' signature. This shows the story of the Askhenazi being descendants of the Khazars as being incorrect (unless of course the Khazars were one of the lost ten tribes) Khazars may originally have been Edomites (or Hittites). Khazar tradition holds that they originally came from Mt. Seir in Edom. The Edomites were the ancient, major enemies of the Jews. John Hyrcanus' army defeated the neighboring Edomites and forced them all to *become* Jews (get circumcized or be killed) in 125 BC. The Edomites then practically took over Judea. The name 'Judea' was soon changed to 'Idumea' (Edom land). Their kings were the 'Jewish' Edomite Herodian dynasty (who built Herod's Temple). Many (or most?) Jewish Pharisees (not Saducees) were Edomite Jews. The Pharisees took over and put the Saducees out of business. The Jewish Encyclopedia says 'Edom is in modern Jewry.' (Many parts of the Bible are devoted to cursing all Edomites to death, including the entire Jewish book of Obadiah. Ban that bad book?) John As an aside, other gentic test appear to show that the Jews are more closely related to the armenians rather than the semites. The Book of the Prophet Ezekiel, from about 500 B.C.: 16:1 Again the word of the LORD came unto me, saying, 16:2 Son of man, cause Jerusalem to know her abominations, 16:3 And say, Thus saith the Lord GOD unto Jerusalem; Thy birth and thy nativity is of the land of Canaan; thy father was an Amorite, and thy mother an Hittite. WHO ARE THE MODERN JEWS? By Scott Stinson http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/hittites.htm In this age of brain-dead media programmed zombies, would it still be possible for the facts to speak? If so, there is something worth saying about the modern "Jewish" race, not written by anti-semites, but by Jews themselves -- and where else but in The Jewish Encyclopedia! Please excuse me for being so abrupt, but I had to get your attention. You see, this article is worth reading because it has some facts that you need to know about the authenticity of today's Jewish race. The question that must be asked as well as answered is simple: Are the modern Jews really the descendants of the ancient people of Israel? The source of our information is also quite simple: The Jewish Encyclopedia. Hopefully we will not find any anti-Semitism in the writings of these Jewish scholars. However, the reader should be forewarned. Their articles were written long before the age of mass-media social engineering and do not contain any of the familiar buzz-words common to today's new views. In other words, brace yourself for a factual scientific analysis of the racial origins of the modern Jews. Oh, and should you decide to verify any of these facts, you will find them in your local library in the 1901-1905 edition of The Jewish Encyclopedia. So, please, do read on. At the turn of the last century there was great interest stirring in the science of anthropology. In the wake of this, Jewish scholarship turned its watchful eye upon itself and began to examine the racial claims that modern Jews make to the ancestral heritage of ancient Israel. The results were startling. The religious community found itself completely alienated by its scientific counterpart. The scientific method was coming face to face with religious traditions and there was a great unsettling in the land. The facts were telling a different story than what had been heard for centuries in the local synagogue. In his article on Purity of Race, Joseph Jacobs relates something of the dilemma that was gripping the Jewish community at this time. He writes: "The question whether the Jews of today are in the main descended from the Jews of Bible times, and from them alone, is
Re: [CTRL] Israel -- WANTED: Holy Blood
-Caveat Lector- Mr David Goldstein a geneticist at oxford university talks about a 'cohen' genetic signature. About 45% of Askenazic priests and 56% of Sephardic priests have the the 'cohen' signature. This shows the story of the Askhenazi being descendants of the Khazars as being incorrect(unless of course the Khazars were one of the lost ten tribes) John As an aside, other gentic test appear to show that the Jews are more closely related to the armenians rather than the semites. -Original Message- From: Das GOAT [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 28 September 1999 10:29 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [CTRL] Israel -- WANTED: "Holy Blood" -Caveat Lector- Extremists Launch Search for Cohens By JAY COHEN .c The Associated Press JERUSALEM (AP) - An extremist group that hopes to rebuild the Jewish temple in Jerusalem has launched a search for descendants of the priests and caretakers of the ancient temples. Organizers of the Second Annual Conference of the Lovers of the Temple said Monday they would use phonebooks and public records to track down Cohens and Levis, who could be called up for service if a third temple is built. Those attending the conference hope to hasten the Messianic age by building a new temple on the site of the Second Temple, which was destroyed in 70 A.D. by Romans quelling a Jewish revolt. Muslims, however, decry their movement, saying it seeks to destroy Islam's third holiest site - the Dome of the Rock and the Al Aqsa mosques, which now stand on the site. The vast majority of Jews reject plans to force Muslims off the Temple Mount. Attempts by extremists to lay claim to the site have led to bloody clashes with Muslims in the past. Judaism's holiest site, the Western Wall, is the only remnant of the temple. ``Tonight we started a project in which we will be listing all Cohens and Levis in the Jewish movement,'' said Yehuda Etzyon, head of the Hai VeKayam - ``Alive and Well'' - organization. The Cohens, the priestly caste in ancient times, led services at the temple. The Levis maintained the temple and were its musicians. Their descendants are identified primarily through their names, including Cohen, Levy and a wide range of derivatives. A model of a rebuilt temple was displayed at the conference, and speakers called for the expulsion of Muslims from the site. About 200 people attended the conference, at Jerusalem's International Convention Center. ``One of the ideas of interest is to build a guard of Cohens and Levis, like the guards of the King and Queen in England, so people know this is the holiest place in Israel and not the place the Muslims stole,'' Etzyon said. Meanwhile, tens of thousands turned out Monday at the Western Wall to mark Sukkot, the Feast of Tabernacles. A row of Cohens, covered completely under white prayer shawls, raised their arms to bless the crowd. The weeklong holiday of Sukkot symbolizes the harvest season and commemorates the 40-year trek through the desert by biblical Israelites, from Egypt to the Promised Land. Jewish men dine in huts to commemorate the simple conditions the Israelites suffered in the wilderness. I notice that this group is NOT looking for descendants of the House of Judah. Or at least, they're not PUBLICLY looking for any modern inheritors of the Seed of David. Each time Israel has had a monarch, since King David, it's been big trouble ... Last time it offered a Davidic "MESSIAH," things turned out even WORSE. So Judaism would prefer to be a THEOCRATIC state, centered on Kohanim under a High Priest. However, Kohanim have always found themselves at odds with the SECULAR ruler of the Kingdom (or State), whether controlled by Jews or by foreign conquerors. Prolonged conflicts invariably climaxes in the call for a "theocratic" MONARCH. If the Temple WERE to be rebuilt, and staffed by Kohanim and a High Priest, at the center of Jewish life in Israel, I "PROPHESY" that, after only a couple of generations, the priests' insistence that the SECULAR government be brought "into line" with their Temple would result in a movement to restore the monarchy as well -- along DAVIDIC lines -- with "Messianic" overtones, for NON-Jewish CHRISTIANS around the world. DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substance-not soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector.
Re: [CTRL] Israel -- WANTED: Holy Blood
-Caveat Lector- The majority of Jews are said to be type B blood too. Nicky "Taylor, John (JH)" wrote: -Caveat Lector- Mr David Goldstein a geneticist at oxford university talks about a 'cohen' genetic signature. About 45% of Askenazic priests and 56% of Sephardic priests have the the 'cohen' signature. This shows the story of the Askhenazi being descendants of the Khazars as being incorrect(unless of course the Khazars were one of the lost ten tribes) John As an aside, other gentic test appear to show that the Jews are more closely related to the armenians rather than the semites. DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Israel -- WANTED: Holy Blood
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 9/28/99 1:29:09 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Each time Israel has had a monarch, since King David, it's been big trouble ... Last time it offered a Davidic "MESSIAH," things turned out even WORSE. Howdy, Can you expand on that statement? Om K DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
