Re: [CTRL] Should homosexuals who areHIV-negative
-Caveat Lector- Amen. Om K - In a message dated 7/13/99 1:11:54 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -Caveat Lector- I know this list gets off-topic quite a bit, but can someone tell me what mice in the anus has to do with Conspiracy? Disinformation is the most powerful weapon and the most useful tool of all those which our self-styled "owners" use to keep us in line. To understand homophobia as a social phenomenon we must ask ourselves who benefits from the demonization and scapegoating of homosexuals. In a sense, homosexuals make an even more effective official pariah group than Jews. Like Jews, there are enough of them to appear to the unsophisticated mind to be a threat, yet there are not enough of them to actually be a threat. Like Jews, homosexuals range in appearance from easily identifiable to totally indistinguishable from the rest of us. Like Jews, homosexuals are both thoroughly dispersed throughout the general population and concentrated in certain neighborhoods. Like Jews, their persecution is a lucrative business, enriching their persecutors no end. Like Jews, homosexuals appear to Christians, less as flesh and blood human beings than as mythological creatures come to life, stepping as if from the very pages of Christianity's most sacred texts. Christians, like most religious people, have trouble separating the tenets of their religion and the characters and location of their mythology from the real life people and places of the actual world. While certainly not the only ones with this problem Christians, in particular, have such cognitive disabilities because they are easily led because their religion specifically orders them to think like sheep. If "the Lord is my Shepard," what's that make me? The more imaginative of their numbers come up with lies like "Jews poison wells," "Black people have no souls," and "homosexuals stick mice up their butts," because nothing unifies like the perception of a common and dehumanized enemy. Christian antipathy to homosexuals traces its roots to the ethnic cleansing of Goddess worshipping Caananites by the ancient Hebrews. The Caananites had gay priests. All things Caananite were taboo to the ancient Hebrews, not just homosexuality. The "rounding of the corners of one's beard," for example, was a Caananite custom. It was forbidden to Hebrews so a Hebrew warrior could tell a Hebrew from a Caananite in a hurry in a fight. Anybody who stuck a mouse up their butt would die a horrible death from peritonitis within twelve or so hours. As somebody who celebrated his tenth birthday by being operated on for a ruptured appendix, I can tell you with absolute certainty that no one who even heard rumor of what peritonitis was like would ever do anything to risk such a fate. I live in a city with a large gay population. I have many gay friends and acquaintances. I also have a friend who works as an emergency room physician. I'm also a real life Curious George who works as a researcher for a local paper. You can take my word for it, if this sort of thing ever happened I would have heard about it by now. I would have found the guy. I would have interviewed him. I would have sold the story. I would have spent the money. That's my job. The absolute certainty of a hideous death that awaited anybody with a mouse up their butt was the specific reason it ever happened to anybody at all. During the Inquisition Christian torturers used mice up the butt to extract confessions from homosexuals, witches, and other heretics. Mice were also placed in women's vaginas which were then sewn shut. Another torture popular among Christians was to strap a metal cylinder with one open end and filled with mice to the abdomen of their victims and then heat the other end with fire. The terrified mice would then try desperately to gnaw their way to safety. It is particularly ironic that Christians, of all people, would accuse others of of their own crimes, particularly this one. While horrific, shoving mice up their victim's butts is not the most archetypal of Christian atrocities. That would be the ever popular burning alive. Christians burned more pagans alive than the Nazi burned Jews. Like the devotees of Moloch, Christians will even burn babies alive, any babies, even Christian babies, if they think it will get them what they want. This is irrefutable fact. It is not ancient history. Christians burned babies alive as recently as a few weeks ago. Ask any Serb. Of course, not every Christian burns babies alive. Many Christians are decent human beings despite their faith. A few, if they are to be believed, are even decent human beings because of their faith. Most are not. Every Christian tax payer in every NATO nation, through the actions of their hired hands, burned babies alive only a few week ago. Their hands drip with blood. They have no excuse. There is no excuse. I challenge any of them to speak up with honest remorse. Come on, guys; let's hear it. Are you sorry you
Re: [CTRL] Should homosexuals who areHIV-negative
-Caveat Lector- I notice you avoided my question. So tell us, are you sorry you burned all those babies alive or aren't you? A simple yes or no will suffice, though of course citations are always welcome as long as they pertain to the subject. DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Should homosexuals who areHIV-negative
-Caveat Lector- uh... is this directed at me? I just asked what made anal mice topical to this list. And received a detailed answer. --- nessie [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -Caveat Lector- I notice you avoided my question. So tell us, are you sorry you burned all those babies alive or aren't you? A simple yes or no will suffice, though of course citations are always welcome as long as they pertain to the subject. DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om === Jeff Russo [EMAIL PROTECTED] - "The power of accurate observation is often called cynicism by those who have not got it." -- George Bernard Shaw _ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Should homosexuals who areHIV-negative
-Caveat Lector- uh... is this directed at me? No. I was talking to Herr Piper, but I'll be glad to hear ANY Christian give an honest answer. I just don't much expect it to happen any time soon. DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Should homosexuals who areHIV-negative
-Caveat Lector- I must have missed it, I'll try to do the best to represent a Christian perspective on something, although with so many differences with the definition of "Christian" I'm sure I wouldn't be speaking for all of us. Now, what's the question? Jamie -Original Message- From: nessie [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, July 14, 1999 2:46 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [CTRL] Should homosexuals who areHIV-negative -Caveat Lector- uh... is this directed at me? No. I was talking to Herr Piper, but I'll be glad to hear ANY Christian give an honest answer. I just don't much expect it to happen any time soon. DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substance-not soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Should homosexuals who areHIV-negative
-Caveat Lector- nessie wrote: -Caveat Lector- I notice you avoided my question. So tell us, are you sorry you burned all those babies alive or aren't you? A simple yes or no will suffice, though of course citations are always welcome as long as they pertain to the subject. Your the one that is stereotyping, and seem to already have all the answers. Are you even sure with the CIA and the FBI as well as the rest of the alphabet soup that there are even any Christians on this list? We could all be *(%$*# 's. Also are you saying that you came from a lineage that did not burn babies? Careful with your answer, religions / beliefs and what they have done - as well as the atheist can be interesting. Piper DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Should homosexuals who areHIV-negative
-Caveat Lector- Your the one that is stereotyping, Like the man said, if it walks like a duck, and it quacks like a duck, I say it IS a duck. You talk like a Nazi. It doesn't mean you ARE a Nazi. But that doesn't make any difference. and seem to already have all the answers. About Nazis? Damn skippy, I do. The only good Nazi is a dead Nazi. There's more to it of course, but that's all anyone REALLY needs to know. Are you even sure with the CIA and the FBI as well as the rest of the alphabet soup that there are even any Christians on this list? (1.) Don't change the subject. (2.) You talking gibberish. The existance of alphabet soup and who's on this list are totally unrelated, to each other and to the topic. It's a sophmoric debate tactic, lamer even than changing the subject. If that's the best you can do, give up; you're out classed here. We could all be *(%$*# 's. And you're typing gibberish, too. It's ugly, but it's not as uglyas that Nazi crap you write. Also are you saying that you came from a lineage that did not burn babies? Hell, I'm descended from head hunters. But you know what? We only took heads from each other, NEVER from women and children. OK, your turn. DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Should homosexuals who areHIV-negative
-Caveat Lector- - Original Message - From: nessie [EMAIL PROTECTED] I know this list gets off-topic quite a bit, but can someone tell me what mice in the anus has to do with Conspiracy? Disinformation is the most powerful weapon and the most useful tool of all those which our self-styled "owners" use to keep us in line. Excellent essay. Well said. Kudos! DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Should homosexuals who areHIV-negative
-Caveat Lector- In order to keep the country on a war footing, the system needs scapegoats: Jews, African-Americans, homosexuals, womensomeone has to be the enemy. It's a cultural thing. From the time of the nation's inception, we've been on a crusade against the heathens, the infidels, the unbelievers, the commies ...First, we had to kill Indians, then enslave Africans,finally, we had to push the empire's borders westward...why? Because God wanted us to do it. We are the Elect, don't you see? We are white, holy and pure. We're on a mission from the almighty Lord Yaweh to smite our many enemies, to despoil our neighbor's vineyards and to bring the love of the Almighty to each and every individual on the face of the earth with our flaming swords. On Tue, 13 Jul 1999, nessie wrote: -Caveat Lector- I know this list gets off-topic quite a bit, but can someone tell me what mice in the anus has to do with Conspiracy? Disinformation is the most powerful weapon and the most useful tool of all those which our self-styled "owners" use to keep us in line. To understand homophobia as a social phenomenon we must ask ourselves who benefits from the demonization and scapegoating of homosexuals. In a sense, homosexuals make an even more effective official pariah group than Jews. Like Jews, there are enough of them to appear to the unsophisticated mind to be a threat, yet there are not enough of them to actually be a threat. Like Jews, homosexuals range in appearance from easily identifiable to totally indistinguishable from the rest of us. Like Jews, homosexuals are both thoroughly dispersed throughout the general population and concentrated in certain neighborhoods. Like Jews, their persecution is a lucrative business, enriching their persecutors no end. Like Jews, homosexuals appear to Christians, less as flesh and blood human beings than as mythological creatures come to life, stepping as if from the very pages of Christianity's most sacred texts. Christians, like most religious people, have trouble separating the tenets of their religion and the characters and location of their mythology from the real life people and places of the actual world. While certainly not the only ones with this problem Christians, in particular, have such cognitive disabilities because they are easily led because their religion specifically orders them to think like sheep. If "the Lord is my Shepard," what's that make me? The more imaginative of their numbers come up with lies like "Jews poison wells," "Black people have no souls," and "homosexuals stick mice up their butts," because nothing unifies like the perception of a common and dehumanized enemy. Christian antipathy to homosexuals traces its roots to the ethnic cleansing of Goddess worshipping Caananites by the ancient Hebrews. The Caananites had gay priests. All things Caananite were taboo to the ancient Hebrews, not just homosexuality. The "rounding of the corners of one's beard," for example, was a Caananite custom. It was forbidden to Hebrews so a Hebrew warrior could tell a Hebrew from a Caananite in a hurry in a fight. Anybody who stuck a mouse up their butt would die a horrible death from peritonitis within twelve or so hours. As somebody who celebrated his tenth birthday by being operated on for a ruptured appendix, I can tell you with absolute certainty that no one who even heard rumor of what peritonitis was like would ever do anything to risk such a fate. I live in a city with a large gay population. I have many gay friends and acquaintances. I also have a friend who works as an emergency room physician. I'm also a real life Curious George who works as a researcher for a local paper. You can take my word for it, if this sort of thing ever happened I would have heard about it by now. I would have found the guy. I would have interviewed him. I would have sold the story. I would have spent the money. That's my job. The absolute certainty of a hideous death that awaited anybody with a mouse up their butt was the specific reason it ever happened to anybody at all. During the Inquisition Christian torturers used mice up the butt to extract confessions from homosexuals, witches, and other heretics. Mice were also placed in women's vaginas which were then sewn shut. Another torture popular among Christians was to strap a metal cylinder with one open end and filled with mice to the abdomen of their victims and then heat the other end with fire. The terrified mice would then try desperately to gnaw their way to safety. It is particularly ironic that Christians, of all people, would accuse others of of their own crimes, particularly this one. While horrific, shoving mice up their victim's butts is not the most archetypal of Christian atrocities. That would be the ever popular burning alive. Christians burned more pagans alive than the Nazi burned Jews. Like the devotees of Moloch, Christians
Re: [CTRL] Should homosexuals who areHIV-negative
-Caveat Lector- Good piece of propaganda, to call Clinton a Christian is like calling a monkey a rocket scientist. Now it appears that the list has disintegrated into a lot of people slapping themselves on the back. I haven't seen anything of a conspiracy to this Subject...Unless Are any of you from Canada and trying to launch some kind of law in the US against hate language? We have a vocabulary here and can usually come up with different subjects to talk about. The other reason that this thread may have continued for so long is that some would like us to idolize homosexuals like Jews were idolized. Like Hitler has been idolized as a great military leader. Hitler was propped up and the line that he spouted was started quite a few years before he was born. Hitler burned much of what was written before that holocaust and so anything that was written (like this) that speculated what was happening to education was burned. at the end of http://freeweb.digiweb.com/science_fiction/ThePiedPiper/beliefs2.htm Basic Judaism by Milton Steinberg (c)1975 Harcourt Brace Jovanovich NY A History of the Jews by Paul Johnson (c)1987 Harper Row NY In particular the section detailing how Freud (1856-1939) was given over. **End Of Citations*** ** Hitler (1889-1946) p.470-471. 1870-1914 The Germans and the Jews both had a devotion to learning. "From it's inception in 1933, for instance, Germany won more Nobel prizes than any other country, about 30 per cent of the whole; but of Germany's share, the Jews provided nearly a third and in medicine a half. For Germany to turn on the Jews was not just mass murder; it was, in a real sense, mass parricide. How did it happen?" ... WW1 had this effect "The war had a second effect. it transformed the way in which Germany conducted its business. Pre-war Germany was the most law-abiding country in Europe. civil violence was unheard of, un-German. anti-Semitism was everywhere, but physical violence to Jews, let alone an anti-Semitic riot, was something which did not, could not, occur in Germany. The war changed all that. It accustomed men to violence everywhere, but in Germany it induced a violence of despair. The 1918 Armistice did not bring peace to central and eastern Europe. It brought a twenty-year interval between two huge, open conflicts, but in this twenty years violence, it verying degrees, was the main arbiter of politics. Both left and right used violence. Lenin and Trotsky set the pattern with their Putsch in 1917. Their Communist allies and imitators followed suit in Germany, 1918-20. Jew were prominent in all these attempts to overthrow existing order by force. The Communist regime in Bavaria included not only Jewish politicians, like Eismer, but Jewish writers and intellectuals like Gustav Landauer, Ernst Toller and Erich Muhsam. The right responded by organizing private armies of veterans, the Freikorps." "In Russia, the arbitration of violence favored the left, in Germany the right. Jewish extremists like Rosa Luxemburg and Eisner were simply murdered. It ceased to be unusual for Jewish opponents to be 'dealt with'. In the four years 1919-22 there were 376 political murders in Germany, all but twenty-two of left-wing figures, many of them Jews. ..." "After November 1938, Jews were expelled from all schools, and trains, waiting-rooms and restaurants were segregated." p.487 Farben and the Deutscher Bank. WW1 1918 Armistice WW2 You people want to keep throwing around personal opinions then will you please put them on a web page so I have the option of Not going to it. If you care to cite a book or add comments from history, I am interested. Some of the essay may be good, but what can be written as a editorial doesn't fly to well here with out citations. You should take a business writing course. Piper nessie wrote: -Caveat Lector- I know this list gets off-topic quite a bit, but can someone tell me what mice in the anus has to do with Conspiracy? Disinformation is the most powerful weapon and the most useful tool of all those which our self-styled "owners" use to keep us in line. To understand homophobia as a social phenomenon we must ask ourselves who benefits from the demonization and scapegoating of homosexuals. In a sense, homosexuals make an even more effective official pariah group than Jews. Like Jews, there are enough of them to appear to the unsophisticated mind to be a threat, yet there are not enough of them to actually be a threat. Like Jews, homosexuals range in appearance from easily identifiable to totally indistinguishable from the rest of us. Like Jews, homosexuals are both thoroughly dispersed throughout the general population and concentrated in certain neighborhoods. Like Jews, their persecution is a lucrative business, enriching their persecutors no
Re: [CTRL] Should homosexuals who areHIV-negative
-Caveat Lector- On Sat, 10 Jul 1999, piper wrote: Once again, whatever 2 consenting adults wish to do in the privacy of their bedroom is their own business, whether they are of the same sex or not... By consenting, Do you imply1) educated 2) able to make an informed choice I meant what I said -- two legal adults, in a consensual relationship -- meaning no coercion... 'Educated' and 'informed' are subjective, not objective, criteria... 3) not pushing their desion on everyone else What do you define as 'pushing'? If a gay monogamous couple wishes to marry, would you deem that desire of theirs 'pushing their desion [sic] on everyone else'? _I_ wouldn't. 4) not leaving us in a position with no way of having a male child naturally? Any males having to be clonned. Well, since we have an exploding world-wide population, there does not seem to be any way that children of either sex will become scarce any time soon... But quite frankly, I have NO idea what you are getting on about regarding 'no way of having a male child naturally'? What is this focus on having male children, either naturally or otherwise? What's wrong with female children? And what does homosexuality have to do with straight couples having children of either sex? 5) Of some ethinic groups being eraticated because they can not clone their males? Boy, you've lost me on that one... But WHATEVER you are on about, I still don't see what that has to do with the right of 2 consenting adults to do whatever they wish in the privacy of their bedroom, without fear of being discriminated against and possibly being beaten up and killed because of their sexual preference. 6) Or are you blind to the fact that in getting us to protect our sexual choice that we soon may not have one??? I guess I am, because your post makes absolutely NO sense to me... and our children are being taught to 'embrace' homosexuals when they should be taught that homosexuality is a sin. I do not think that external sex has to be taught at all! Do you realize that you are responding to 2, possibly 3, different people in your post? You seem to have a problem being able to differentiate between who posted what MY words are the ones preceded by the double '' (it wouldn't have had any '' in what you replied to), all the other quotes, including that one above, are not my words... There is a saying that if someone is so intent on gossiping to youthat when your back is turned they will gossip about you. Wonder what this guy does that is so intresting that the Doctor it pumping him to tell by giving him these juicy tibits. And the supposed doctor is violating Standard Practice if indeed he's sharing such tidbits with a non-medical person not involved with the case...and such gossip could result in the doctor having his license revoked. So I sincerely doubt such a person exists, other that in the original poster's imagination...and if indeed this gossiping doctor IS a real person, _I_ definitely wouldn't want to be treated by him, or anyone else who would violate a patient's privacy in such a manner... June ;-) *===* Kite So many things you want to see And as you ask I'll set you free But as you fly You'll touch the sky And touch the heart Within me Fly away. -- Bob Childs *===* *---* revcoal AT connix DOT com *---* It is UNLAWFUL to send unsolicited commercial email to this email address per United States Code Title 47 Sec. 227. I assess a fee of $500.00 US currency for reading and deleting such unsolicited commercial email. Sending such email to this address denotes acceptance of these terms. My posting messages to Usenet neither grants consent to receive unsolicited commercial email nor is intended to solicit commercial email. ** DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector.
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-Caveat Lector- Wonder what this guy does that is so intresting that the Doctor it pumping him to tell by giving him these juicy tibits. So sorry to disappoint you.it was in a room full of people at a party and few doctors were sharing some emergency room stories. And we all had a good laugh at the expense of a few local homos who have nothing better to do than deplete the stock of gerbils at the local pet shops. DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
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-Caveat Lector- Raising my hand to say - Not that I should spoil anyone's fun - but I anyone thinking about the fact that even with the male birth rate declining instead of telling us that it is - US politicians "seem" to be advocating same sex marriages of females, Family values? Males playing musical marriages, going for younger females when their current partner gets to old, saying that homosexuality is genetic. I smell a rat And it seems as if you people are just debating the the merits of homosexuality vers heterosexuality. When lately they seem to be trying to link homosexuality with pedophilia. Homosexuality seems to be the same as heterosexuality in that the partners are either practicing mutual satisfaction or for some types that hide behind the label of homosexuality it is a sadistic / masochistic relationship and sadist probably do not care if they are homosexual or not as long as they can be sadist. I have my own ideas on homosexuals - but to allow them to be used or duped is something that I do not agree with. From http://freeweb.digiweb.com/science_fiction/ThePiedPiper/bacteria.htm#Chemicals Pearch, Fred and Debora Mackenzie. New Scientist 3 april 1999. 12 Apr. 1999 "It's raining pesticides." "a new study reveals that much of the precipitation in Europe contains such high levels of dissolved pesticides that it would be illegal to supply it as drinking water." Has Novartis' weedkiller Target and Monsanto's Glyphosate herbicide round-Up on it. http://www.newscientist.com/ns/19990403/newsstory12.html Recer, Paul. 04 may 1999. 04 May 1999 "Dioxin Exposure Linked to Cancer." Dioxin is one of the chemicals in the herbicide Agent Orange. Refers to exposure to dioxins in the environment decreasing. Even if dioxin is decreasing these other article show how deadly it is. Montague, Peter. Rachel's Environment and Health Weekly. 16 apr. 1999 "Missing Boys." "increasing birth defects of the penis and testicles " "hypothesizing linked to exposures to hormone-disrupting chemicals including dioxin, pesticides, lead ." "chlorophenoxy herbicides and/or fungicides, the male proportion among children born with defects to workers who apply pesticides was 0.735, compared to a male proportion of 0.607 for births with defects among the general population." http://www.monitor.net/rachel/r594.html Statement from the World Wild Life Fund. 1992. 11 May 1999. "demasculinization and feminization of male fish, birds, and mammals: defeminization and masculinization of female fish and birds; and compromised immune systems in birds and mammals; defeminization and masculinization of female fish and birds; and compromised immune systems in birds and mammals." http://www.worldwildlife.org/toxics/progareas/ed/con_1.htm Giffiths, Joel and Chris Bryson. "Toxic Secrets." 1997. 02 May 1999 total Pgs.12 "One of the most toxic chemicals known, fluoride emerged as the leading chemical health hazard of the US atomic bomb program, both for workers and for nearby communities, the documents reveal." The first lawsuits against the American A-bomb program were not over radiation, but over fluoride damage, the documents show." "' shows that evidence of adverse health effect from fluoride was censored by the US Atomic Energy commisssion " "Human exposure to fluoride has mushroomed since World War II, due not only to fluoridated water and toothpaste but to environmental pollution by major industries, from aluminium to pesticides, where fluoride is a critical industrial chemical as well as a waste by-product.'" "Animal studies which Mullenix and co-workers conducted at Forsyth in the early 1990s indicated that fluoride was a powerful central nervous system (CNS) toxin and might adversely affect human brain functioning even at low doses." "Today, news that scientists from the A-bomb program secretly shaped and guided the Newburgh fluoridation experiment and studied the citizen's blood and tissue samples is greeted with incredulity." " fluoride also accumulates in bones." "'Clinical evidence suggests that uranium hexafluoride may have a rather marked central nervous system effect It seems most likely that the F [code for fluoride] component rather than the T [code for uranium] is the causative factor.'" http://www.altnews.com.au/nexus/fluoridebomb.html -- Any man can stand adversity, The true test is to give a man power. http://freeweb.digiweb.com/science_fiction/ThePiedPiper/~index.htm DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you
Re: [CTRL] Should homosexuals who areHIV-negative
-Caveat Lector- On Sat, 10 Jul 1999, piper wrote: And it seems as if you people are just debating the the merits of homosexuality vers heterosexuality. I've never debated 'the merits' of eitherjust as I've never debated 'the merits' of a hetero couple engaging in traditional intercours, or a hetero couple into S M, B D, 'water sports', or any number of other 'flavors' of sexuality. I will only object to sexuality that coerces someone into complying, e.g. rape, child molestation, etc. Whatever consenting adults wish to do in the privacy of their bedroom is their own business, not mine, and definitely not that of the state. Quite frankly, no one has ever been able to tell me what homosexuals do sexually that heteros don't also engage in... When lately they seem to be trying to link homosexuality with pedophilia. Pedophilia has as much to do with normal adult male homosexuality as men sexually abusing little girls have to do with normal adult male heterosexuality... June ;-) *===* Kite So many things you want to see And as you ask I'll set you free But as you fly You'll touch the sky And touch the heart Within me Fly away. -- Bob Childs *===* *---* revcoal AT connix DOT com *---* It is UNLAWFUL to send unsolicited commercial email to this email address per United States Code Title 47 Sec. 227. I assess a fee of $500.00 US currency for reading and deleting such unsolicited commercial email. Sending such email to this address denotes acceptance of these terms. My posting messages to Usenet neither grants consent to receive unsolicited commercial email nor is intended to solicit commercial email. ** DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
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-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 7/10/1999 8:14:01 AM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Quite frankly, no one has ever been able to tell me what homosexuals do sexually that heteros don't also engage in... June, they stick live mice into the anus. You thank that is normal? Acceptable? DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
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-Caveat Lector- they stick live mice into the anus. You've seen this with your own eyes? DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
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-Caveat Lector- Whatever consenting adults wish to do in the privacy of their bedroom is their own business, not mine, and definitely not that of the state. This is the most intelligent comment, and only one when I think about, that you have made yet. The problem is that homosexuality is being pushed on us as an alternative lifestyle and our children are being taught to 'embrace' homosexuals when they should be taught that homosexuality is a sin. Quite frankly, no one has ever been able to tell me what homosexuals do sexually that heteros don't also engage in... LOL.LOL...ROTF Now, let's see.Hm..na, let's not get into what they do with their favorite little petsgerbils, aka colon speedbumps. Oh, and sitting on the agitator of the washing machine is a good one; God only knows it fits. My neighbor is a doctor..he won't even repeat some of the stuff he deals with with these people. His only comment is that he's embarrassed and disgraced at what he's pulled out of their colon.Now, let's go on to a different topic please. You've lost at this one. DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
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-Caveat Lector- they stick live mice into the anus. You've seen this with your own eyes? I know this list gets off-topic quite a bit, but can someone tell me what mice in the anus has to do with Conspiracy? === Jeff Russo [EMAIL PROTECTED] - "The power of accurate observation is often called cynicism by those who have not got it." -- George Bernard Shaw _ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
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-Caveat Lector- From: day [EMAIL PROTECTED] The problem is that homosexuality is being pushed on us as an alternative lifestyle I don't feel 'pushed upon' at all... Once again, whatever 2 consenting adults wish to do in the privacy of their bedroom is their own business, whether they are of the same sex or not... and our children are being taught to 'embrace' homosexuals when they should be taught that homosexuality is a sin. One should ALWAYS embrace the sinner, as Jesus did... You seem to affiliate yourself with the Pharisees...who taunted Our Lord with the LETTER of the law, but hadn't a clue as to the SPIRIT... They condemned Him for 'embracing sinners', too... Quite frankly, no one has ever been able to tell me what homosexuals do sexually that heteros don't also engage in... LOL.LOL...ROTF Now, let's see.Hm..na, let's not get into what they do with their favorite little petsgerbils, aka colon speedbumps. You know this for a fact? Funny, you seem to have an EXTREMELY INTIMATE knowledge of what gays do sexually...firsthand experience, perhaps? The gays I know laugh at such 'urban legends'... And I've had straight guys show me publications where straight men and women did any number of 'activities' with animals of all sizes, so it would seem that a small rodent in one's anus is not the sole province of gay men... Oh, and sitting on the agitator of the washing machine is a good one; And how are you privvy to THIS little tidbit... I've heard a couple of straight women claim they get turned on by the washing machine, so again this activity does not seem to be exclusive to gays... God only knows it fits. My neighbor is a doctor..he won't even repeat some of the stuff he deals with with these people. My guess is that he is 'having you on'... His only comment is that he's embarrassed and disgraced at what he's pulled out of their colon. Well, then he should get into another line of work... What is your neighbor's medical specialty, and where did he get his education? And no one won't convince me that straight guys don't do the same thing... Now, let's go on to a different topic please. You've lost at this one. Not that I've seen...you're the one who's consistently lost every agument... June revcoal AT connix DOT com Let's go fly a kite, and send it soaring! -- Mary Poppins ___ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Should homosexuals who areHIV-negative
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 7/10/99 7:34:47 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: our children are being taught to 'embrace' homosexuals when they should be taught that homosexuality is a sin. Hopefully 'your' children live in 'your' home. What is the 'bigger' 'sin'; hate or homsexuality? High-horse religious busybodiness, is an excuse for myraid of differring reasons. We are to presume God? The good lords have said it all quite simply - there is a 'way' to walk, right actions, you reap what you sow, love your neighbor as youself and thy Lord God is one. Do not we all have enough to take care of in our own life with out yelling at others about theirs. Actions shall show the fruits; the Lord is not mocked. MHO Please understand that homosexulaity, abortion and racial issues have been used deliberatley to divide how population. These are issues that affect people at a gut level and it is easy for the conspiracy to foment emotional battlelines within the populace, whilst 'they' plot and ploy. Prejudice is not research. Prejudice is letting one be controlled. I must meet my maker when I dieand you yours . . . Om K DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
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-Caveat Lector- our children are being taught to 'embrace' homosexuals when they should be taught that homosexuality is a sin. Hopefully 'your' children live in 'your' home. Yes, and homeschooled in my home so they are not brainwashed in the public school system. DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Should homosexuals who areHIV-negative
-Caveat Lector- - Original Message - From: day [EMAIL PROTECTED] Whatever consenting adults wish to do in the privacy of their bedroom is their own business, not mine, and definitely not that of the state. This is the most intelligent comment, and only one when I think about, that you have made yet. The problem is that homosexuality is being pushed on us as an alternative lifestyle and our children are being taught to 'embrace' homosexuals when they should be taught that homosexuality is a sin. The truth: 'Sin' is a theological matter, not political or biological or otherwise physical. As in: "It's YOUR god, they're YOUR commandments, YOU go burn in hell!" In reality, humans are sexual beings, and are immensely complex, so ANY simplistic statement one makes about human sexuality is bound to be wrong. Here's an item from my next bulletin: # SEX AND THE SINGLE FETUS. Want proof we are all sexual beings? Then read about the ultrasound two Italian researchers got of a 32-week female fetus masturbating in utero. There's something titillating to talk about over dinner. http://healthcentral.com/drdean/DeanFullTextTopics.cfm?ID=14058 Reality: Members of varied species, including humans, engage in a wide variety of sexual behaviors. Chimps bugger, butterflies whore, my doberman was a lesbian, fetuses jerk off, and none of this has much to do with conspiracies, except in the minds of those who think that any thoughts beyond their own are the product of a plot. Yow. Why not discuss the plot of self-admitted heteros to take over the world? DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Should homosexuals who areHIV-negative
-Caveat Lector- - Original Message - From: piper [EMAIL PROTECTED] - US politicians "seem" to be advocating same sex marriages of females, Family values? Males playing musical marriages, going for younger females when their current partner gets to old, saying that homosexuality is genetic. I smell a rat Is that a real or virtual rat? Anyway, the truth is: people are sexual - here's an item that's going into my next bulletin: # SEX AND THE SINGLE FETUS. Want proof we are all sexual beings? Then read about the ultrasound two Italian researchers got of a 32-week female fetus masturbating in utero. There's something titillating to talk about over dinner. http://healthcentral.com/drdean/DeanFullTextTopics.cfm?ID=14058 And people are complex. So anything one says about human sexuality, ANYTHING, except that we're sexual and complex, is bound to be wrong. Some people feel genetically bound towards a certain sexuality; some people change their sexual orientations over time; some never fuck at all. Expect consistency in human sexuality? You'll be disappointed. DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
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-Caveat Lector- Ynr Chyldz Wyld wrote: -Caveat Lector- From: day [EMAIL PROTECTED] The problem is that homosexuality is being pushed on us as an alternative lifestyle Yes it is being pushed in the sense that we are not told that thegonads either go up and become ovories and the libia just is there for a female. Or the gonads go down and instead of libia - you have testies! I personally say Viva La Difference I don't feel 'pushed upon' at all... Once again, whatever 2 consenting adults wish to do in the privacy of their bedroom is their own business, whether they are of the same sex or not... By consenting, Do you imply1) educated 2) able to make an informed choice 3) not pushing their desion on everyone else 4) not leaving us in a position with no way of having a male child naturally? Any males having to be clonned. 5) Of some ethinic groups being eraticated because they can not clone their males? 6) Or are you blind to the fact that in getting us to protect our sexual choice that we soon may not have one??? and our children are being taught to 'embrace' homosexuals when they should be taught that homosexuality is a sin. I do not think that external sex has to be taught at all!Only what the internal organs do and that they can get sick (sexually transmitted deseases) - I think the kids can figure out (how the SD's get there) what the external sexual organs do on their own! That by putting the empathis on sexual lifestyle, instead of biology and achademics that we are putting everything on a sexual footing. http://freeweb.digiweb.com/science_fiction/ThePiedPiper/lowgear.htm I for one am not addicted to sex drugs I have a life of MY own - and do not need to run or judge anyone elses either - I do take notice when that belief can infringe upon my own! One should ALWAYS embrace the sinner, as Jesus did... You seem to affiliate yourself with the Pharisees...who taunted Our Lord with the LETTER of the law, but hadn't a clue as to the SPIRIT... They condemned Him for 'embracing sinners', too... Quite frankly, no one has ever been able to tell me what homosexuals do sexually that heteros don't also engage in... LOL.LOL...ROTF Now, let's see.Hm..na, let's not get into what they do with their favorite little petsgerbils, aka colon speedbumps. using antibiotic soap leaves you kitchen open to antibiotic resistant bacteria as well yECH I personally use vinegar and let the bacteria that are left slug it out! Now take your blow up doll and go talk about it somewhere else. You know this for a fact? Funny, you seem to have an EXTREMELY INTIMATE knowledge of what gays do sexually...firsthand experience, perhaps? The gays I know laugh at such 'urban legends'... And I've had straight guys show me publications where straight men and women did any number of 'activities' with animals of all sizes, so it would seem that a small rodent in one's anus is not the sole province of gay men... Oh, and sitting on the agitator of the washing machine is a good one; And how are you privvy to THIS little tidbit... I've heard a couple of straight women claim they get turned on by the washing machine, so again this activity does not seem to be exclusive to gays... God only knows it fits. My neighbor is a doctor..he won't even repeat some of the stuff he deals with with these people. My guess is that he is 'having you on'... His only comment is that he's embarrassed and disgraced at what he's pulled out of their colon. Well, then he should get into another line of work... What is your neighbor's medical specialty, and where did he get his education? And no one won't convince me that straight guys don't do the same thing... Now, let's go on to a different topic please. You've lost at this one. Not that I've seen...you're the one who's consistently lost every agument... June There is a saying that if someone is so intent on gossiping to youthat when your back is turned they will gossip about you. Wonder what this guy does that is so intresting that the Doctor it pumping him to tell by giving him these juicy tibits. Now to anyone that has not read this at the end of the postings DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! ... revcoal AT connix DOT com Let's go fly a kite, and send it soaring! -- Mary Poppins -- Any man can stand adversity, The true test is to give a man power. http://freeweb.digiweb.com/science_fiction/ThePiedPiper/~frame.htm DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting
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-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 7/10/99 2:54:15 PM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Please understand that homosexulaity, abortion and racial issues have been used deliberatley to divide how population. These are issues that affect people at a gut level and it is easy for the conspiracy to foment emotional battlelines within the populace, whilst 'they' plot and ploy. Prejudice is not research. Prejudice is letting one be controlled. I must meet my maker when I dieand you yours . . . Om K I could list (and so could Kris) many more examples of controlling memes in the world today which are designed to foment discord and hatred, which leads to division. When one is led by them in knee jerk response then one becomes the unwitting dupe of the controlling group. Thank you Kris for a succinct overview of this and a clear illustration of why we should not be attacking each other on these issues. DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Should homosexuals who areHIV-negative
-Caveat Lector- - Original Message - From: nessie [EMAIL PROTECTED] Homosexuality is an abomination and Jesus stated that this is one of the three sins that he despises. Where exactly did Jesus say this? Don't expect a response. This response should do it! Let's see what God has to say about it The Bible gives us all we need to live godly, and it ables us to be wise unto salvation (2Timothy 3:15). Homosexuality is not a new thing. As far back as the Bible records in Genesis 13 and 19 (verses 5-11), we have record of cities known for this sin. Their names are Sodom and Gomorrah. We know that God spared not these cities but turned them to ashes making them an ensample unto those that after should live ungodly (2 Peter 2:6). These cities and others were destroyed because of their great mistreating of God's law against such behavior. One such law found in Leviticus 20:13 states: If a man lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death. Are we to say that God no longer requires such standards as these? It's obvious from these verses that God will not tolerate such utter disregard for purity. From the city named Sodom, there comes a word which is used to describe those who engaged in these homosexual activities. The word is Sodomite. (The feminine Hebrew form of this word is harlot [cf. Genesis 38:21,22; Deuteronomy 23:17; Hosea 4:14]). Referring to such we find in 1 Kings 14:24, And there were also sodomites of the nations which the Lord cast out before the children of Israel. Here as well as in other places, we can find pagan worship involved in homosexuality. There were both male and female serving in these heathen temples involved in terrible sexual immorality. These were giving their bodies in the name of religion. In the very next chapter (verse 12), God saw it was right to remove the sodomites out of the land. The Bible is so clear in this matter even with just a few verses it is impossible to misunderstand or be undecided on this subject. Let's now turn our attention to Romans chapter one. Paul begins this letter a servant ... separated unto the gospel. As Christians, we are to be different from the world. He goes on to say that through this separation to the gospel the righteousness of God is revealed (verse 17). Now let's look at what Paul is directed to say about unrighteousness. For the wrath of God is revealed against all ungodliness and unrighteousness. The text begins a spiral away from God. 1. Because of the things God has made, they are without excuse (verse 20). 2. They see yet they do not glorify God (verse 21). 3. Unthankful (verse 20). 4. Leaving God out of their thoughts. 5. Hearts hardened toward right. 6. Self worship (verse 21). 7. Dismissing God, accepting anything else (verse 23). God gave them up to their vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature: And likewise also the men leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly...Who knowing the judgement of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them (verses 26,27,32). What a vivid picture we have of the depravity of those committing these acts. Though the world today calls it acceptable, a choice, even a God given lifestyle, the Bible declares homosexuality is not a disease nor is it a genetic condition. It is sin. And just like liars, backbiters, murderers (sinners), they can repent, turn and become a Christian. And such were some of you... (1 Corinthians 6:11). Here listed with many other sins is the homosexual. They are commanded to stop in order to inherit the kingdom of God. Someone once said, Homosexuality cannot exist where people love God and respect His word. Rejection of God is the root; homosexuality is the fruit. As we continue to see through the pages of scripture homosexuality is not a Christian option. God simply does not tolerate ignorance in this matter. It is a sin contrary to sound doctrine; According to the glorious gospel of the blessed God (1 Timothy 1:9,10,11). It is a sin against the laws of nature. God created Adam and Eve not Adam and Steve, or Ann and Eve. In Matthew 19:8 Jesus takes us back to the very beginning and says the intention of God was ONE MAN FOR ONE WOMAN. Christian, do not let Satan feed you a lie. In his subtle way he changes and perverts everything he touches and this is no different. He is still using his trickery to devour and destroy. Let us all determine to stand firm on these biblical truths. There is no substitute for biblical standards. God has given us the answers to what is right and what is wrong. His word should be a burning ember desiring to speak out against the perversions that seek to destroy
Re: [CTRL] Should homosexuals who areHIV-negative
-Caveat Lector- - Original Message - From: nessie [EMAIL PROTECTED] Homosexuality is an abomination and Jesus stated that this is one of the three sins that he despises. Where exactly did Jesus say this? Don't expect a response. Here's some more.. 1) All scriptural references to the practice of homosexuality in both Old and New Testaments declare it to be abhorrent, unnatural and contrary to the purposes of God (Leviticus 20:13; Romans 1:24-27; 1 Corinthians 6:9-10). 2) The purposes of God, with regard to our creation as sexual beings, with regard to the purposeful structure of the family unit, and with regard to God's principles of procreation do not embrace, or in any way endorse, same-sex practice or union. 3) A careful study of the key scriptural passages regarding homosexuality, reveals that it is the practice of homosexual acts that is condemned, not necessarily the disposition or temptation towards homosexuality (which may, or may not be acted on). Leviticus 18:21 says, "Do not lie with a man as one lies with a woman; that is detestable." (see also Leviticus 20:13) This passage says nothing about a disposition towards homosexuality, instead focusing on the action. Romans 1:26-27 also explains that it is the act of homosexual behavior that incurs God's anger: Because of this, God gave them over to shameful lusts. Even their women exchanged natural relations for unnatural ones. 27 In the same way the men also abandoned natural relations with women and were inflamed with lust for one another. Men committed indecent acts with other men, and received in themselves the due penalty for their perversion. Again, "indecent acts" are condemned. There is mention also of "lusts" but this passage does not speak only of those lusts. These lusts led to "indecent acts." 1 Corinthians 6:9-11 also refers to acts of homosexuality: Do you not know that the wicked will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor male prostitutes nor homosexual offenders 10 nor thieves nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanderers nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God. 11 And that is what some of you were. But you were washed, you were sanctified, you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and by the Spirit of our God. The good news is that those who have been enslaved by homosexual sin may also be saved (1 Corinthians 6:11). This salvation is not dependent on a person's ability to change their life, but is available only by God's grace, responded to by repentance and faith. People who have committed sinful acts of homosexuality need to hear that God's grace is available to them as well as other sinners. DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Should homosexuals who areHIV-negative
-Caveat Lector- On Fri, 9 Jul 1999, day wrote: Homosexuality is an abomination and Jesus stated that this is one of the three sins that he despises. Where exactly did Jesus say this? Don't expect a response. This response should do it! Let's see what God has to say about it Quote a passage where Jesus Himself says ANYTHING directly regarding homosexuality... You can't, because He didn't When it comes to meeting our Maker, God will deal more kindly with homosexuals for their sin, than with the likes of you for spewing hate, and hiding behind His Word to justify your evil... is Sodomite. (The feminine Hebrew form of this word is harlot [cf. Genesis 38:21,22; Deuteronomy 23:17; Hosea 4:14]). Referring So what the Bible is REALLY condemning is harlotry by either sex, and not a committed relationship between individuals of the same sex... Do you wear clothes with mixed fibers? Then you are violating God's Word...(read Leviticus BEYOND the passages regarding homosexuality...) What a vivid picture we have of the depravity of those committing these acts. Though the world today calls it acceptable, a choice, even a God given lifestyle, the Bible declares homosexuality is not a disease nor is it a genetic condition. It is sin. And just like liars, backbiters, murderers (sinners), Then why aren't you trolling the internet spewing hate against liars, 'backbiters' (my Bible doesn't have that term in it), and murders, like you do against gays? Someone once said, Not Jesus. He ministered to sinners, remember... Homosexuality cannot exist where people love Go You are so evil. One could say the same thing about robbery, rape, incest, genocide... Rejection of God is the root; homosexuality is the fruit. But adult males who sexually molest little girls are better to you than two adult males who 'marry' each other, and who are not promiscuous? I've worked with gays, none of whom was promiscuous. I've also worked with straights, many of whom went out to bars many times a week, gladly having sex with any stranger they found there who was willing... I'd much rather have a non-promiscuous gay couple as a neighbor or even as a coworker, than those promiscous straights...and when it comes to giving blood, I'd feel much safer recieving blood from the non-promiscuous gays than from the promiscous straights... Same thing with eating food they'd prepared... Let us all determine to stand firm on these biblical truths. Biblical superstition. In conclusion, homosexuality is not a choice when it comes to matters of righteousness. When confronting those who are continuing in this sin, we should not approach it with a holier than thou attitud You should follow your own advice. June *===* Kite So many things you want to see And as you ask I'll set you free But as you fly You'll touch the sky And touch the heart Within me Fly away. -- Bob Childs *===* *---* revcoal AT connix DOT com *---* It is UNLAWFUL to send unsolicited commercial email to this email address per United States Code Title 47 Sec. 227. I assess a fee of $500.00 US currency for reading and deleting such unsolicited commercial email. Sending such email to this address denotes acceptance of these terms. My posting messages to Usenet neither grants consent to receive unsolicited commercial email nor is intended to solicit commercial email. ** DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory
Re: [CTRL] Should homosexuals who areHIV-negative
-Caveat Lector- On Fri, 9 Jul 1999, day wrote: Do you not know that the wicked will not inherit the kingdom of God? Then you should fall down prostrate on the ground and beg God's forgiveness, since YOU are one of the most wicked people I've seen. June *===* Kite So many things you want to see And as you ask I'll set you free But as you fly You'll touch the sky And touch the heart Within me Fly away. -- Bob Childs *===* *---* revcoal AT connix DOT com *---* It is UNLAWFUL to send unsolicited commercial email to this email address per United States Code Title 47 Sec. 227. I assess a fee of $500.00 US currency for reading and deleting such unsolicited commercial email. Sending such email to this address denotes acceptance of these terms. My posting messages to Usenet neither grants consent to receive unsolicited commercial email nor is intended to solicit commercial email. ** DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Should homosexuals who areHIV-negative
-Caveat Lector- Then you should fall down prostrate on the ground and beg God's forgiveness, since YOU are one of the most wicked people I've seen. June Sorry, Juney, that you feel quoting the word of God is wicked. If you embrace homosexuals for their lifestyle without trying to do God's will and change them from their evil doings, then you are the wicked one. Now, go fly a kite! Kite So many things you want to see And as you ask I'll set you free But as you fly You'll touch the sky And touch the heart Within me Fly away. -- Bob Childs *===* *---* DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Should homosexuals who areHIV-negative
-Caveat Lector- - Original Message - From: YnrChyldzWyld [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Fri, 9 Jul 1999, day wrote: Homosexuality is an abomination and Jesus stated that this is one of the three sins that he despises. Where exactly did Jesus say this? Don't expect a response. This response should do it! Let's see what God has to say about it... Quote a passage where Jesus Himself says ANYTHING directly regarding homosexuality... You can't, because He didn't In fact, the Hebraic denunciations of various sexual activities are all part of the laws canceled by Saul/Paul, the torturer and death-squad leader who invented Xianity. Saul/Paul declared, in opposition to Yeshua's claim to fulfill rather than overthrow the Law [Torah], that the only part of Torah that applied to Xians were the Ten Commandments - just *which* ten, Saul/Paul didn't say, so Jews Catholics Protestants all use different version now. But I digress. If one adheres to Saul/Paul's particular heresy, then ALL the OT rules except a Decalogue are overturned; if one follows Yeshua's teachings, strict Torah adherence is mandated; if one chooses not to bother with gods, a whole other realm of possibilities is available. Buy a ticket, take a ride... DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Should homosexuals who areHIV-negative
-Caveat Lector- Wcked is a wicked does. Now, please, this is not a religious discussion list. And I do not care what people's personal religious beliefs are. UNLESS you are the talking bush, plaese realize there is more in God's Worlds than we may understand. Self-righteousness, as well as prejudice, can bind one to untrue beliefs. Religious sophistry has no place on this list. Please desist. Thanks Om K In a message dated 7/9/99 5:26:47 AM, you wrote: Then you should fall down prostrate on the ground and beg God's forgiveness, since YOU are one of the most wicked people I've seen. June Sorry, Juney, that you feel quoting the word of God is wicked. If you embrace homosexuals for their lifestyle without trying to do God's will and change them from their evil doings, then you are the wicked one. - Aloha, He'Ping, Om, Shalom, Salaam. Em Hotep, Peace Be, Omnia Bona Bonis, All My Relations. Adieu, Adios, Aloha. Amen. Roads End Kris DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Should homosexuals who areHIV-negative
-Caveat Lector- I've worked with gays, none of whom was promiscuous. I've also worked with straights, many of whom went out to bars many times a week, gladly having sex with any stranger they found there who was willing... I'd much rather have a non-promiscuous gay couple as a neighbor or even as a coworker, than those promiscous straights... Then you're a bigot, too. You just have different prejudices. That's OK with me. You're entitled to any prejudice you like. I don't hate bigots; if I did, I'd be one. The way I figure, some people like ketchup, some people like mayonaisse. I like mustard. What's the big deal? DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Should homosexuals who areHIV-negative
-Caveat Lector- From: nessie [EMAIL PROTECTED] I'd much rather have a non-promiscuous gay couple as a neighbor or even as a coworker, than those promiscous straights... Then you're a bigot, too. You just have different prejudices. Against promiscuity? Guilty as charged... But I don't discriminate depending on the TYPE of promiscuity... June revcoal AT connix DOT com Let's go fly a kite, and send it soaring! -- Mary Poppins ___ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Should homosexuals who areHIV-negative
-Caveat Lector- From: day [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sorry, Juney, that you feel quoting the word of God is wicked. The name is 'June', not 'Juney'; and you are not 'quoting' the word of God, but taking it out of context. If you embrace homosexuals for their lifestyle without trying to do God's will and change them from their evil doings, then you are the wicked one. I see much more wickedness coming from straights, than I ever have from a homosexual... Why don't you spread your wicked venom towards all the other great evils perpetuated by straights? Seems to me you're a little to focused on gays, probably because you're a closet one yourself. Now, go fly a kite! Thank you, I consider it a great past-time, an activity in which one can truly touch the Spirit of God... June revcoal AT connix DOT com Let's go fly a kite, and send it soaring! -- Mary Poppins ___ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Should homosexuals who areHIV-negative
-Caveat Lector- PLEASE, let us refrain from the personal attacks and vitriol that follows here. Preserve your passion for your position NOT the other person. Remember questions of a religious nature are always controversial and likely to cause passionate response. Please temper your responses. In a message dated 7/9/99 6:39:39 AM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Fri, 9 Jul 1999, day wrote: Homosexuality is an abomination and Jesus stated that this is one of the three sins that he despises. Where exactly did Jesus say this? Don't expect a response. This response should do it! Let's see what God has to say about it Quote a passage where Jesus Himself says ANYTHING directly regarding homosexuality... You can't, because He didn't When it comes to meeting our Maker, God will deal more kindly with homosexuals for their sin, than with the likes of you for spewing hate, and hiding behind His Word to justify your evil... is Sodomite. (The feminine Hebrew form of this word is harlot [cf. Genesis 38:21,22; Deuteronomy 23:17; Hosea 4:14]). Referring So what the Bible is REALLY condemning is harlotry by either sex, and not a committed relationship between individuals of the same sex... Do you wear clothes with mixed fibers? Then you are violating God's Word...(read Leviticus BEYOND the passages regarding homosexuality...) What a vivid picture we have of the depravity of those committing these acts. Though the world today calls it acceptable, a choice, even a God given lifestyle, the Bible declares homosexuality is not a disease nor is it a genetic condition. It is sin. And just like liars, backbiters, murderers (sinners), Then why aren't you trolling the internet spewing hate against liars, 'backbiters' (my Bible doesn't have that term in it), and murders, like you do against gays? Someone once said, Not Jesus. He ministered to sinners, remember... Homosexuality cannot exist where people love Go You are so evil. One could say the same thing about robbery, rape, incest, genocide... Rejection of God is the root; homosexuality is the fruit. But adult males who sexually molest little girls are better to you than two adult males who 'marry' each other, and who are not promiscuous? I've worked with gays, none of whom was promiscuous. I've also worked with straights, many of whom went out to bars many times a week, gladly having sex with any stranger they found there who was willing... I'd much rather have a non-promiscuous gay couple as a neighbor or even as a coworker, than those promiscous straights...and when it comes to giving blood, I'd feel much safer recieving blood from the non-promiscuous gays than from the promiscous straights... Same thing with eating food they'd prepared... Let us all determine to stand firm on these biblical truths. Biblical superstition. In conclusion, homosexuality is not a choice when it comes to matters of righteousness. When confronting those who are continuing in this sin, we should not approach it with a holier than thou attitud You should follow your own advice. June *===* Kite So many things you want to see And as you ask I'll set you free But as you fly You'll touch the sky And touch the heart Within me Fly away. DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
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-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 7/9/99 9:26:47 AM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Then you should fall down prostrate on the ground and beg God's forgiveness, since YOU are one of the most wicked people I've seen. June Sorry, Juney, that you feel quoting the word of God is wicked. If you embrace homosexuals for their lifestyle without trying to do God's will and change them from their evil doings, then you are the wicked one. Now, go fly a kite! Day, please refrain from lengthy Bible quotes. In your first response you identified many passages that were not responsive to the question asked. The question was, where does Jesus say that homosexuality is wrong? You quoted many passages, OT and NT, some questionable IMO but none that address what Jesus said on the matter. A small point perhaps, but it is often helpful to keep your eye on the question at hand and not get off track. The question was asked, of course, to illustrate that Jesus says nothing about homosexuality in the Bible, contrary to your assertion. It is highly likely that the original querant knew this and possibly was not surprised by your response, and may have even hoped for it. When people fall into traps like this and respond stereotypically it only makes that person look like a knee jerk reactor who is easily led. I'm not saying that is the case, but it makes it look that way. Please take it easy in this department, all of you. Religion is a touchy subject at best. Remember to stay focused on the facts, and to refrain from attacking others' faith and belief, whether pro, or con. Thank you. DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
