Re: [CTRL] Sons Of Mau Mau Declare War On Freemasonry

2003-01-30 Thread David Sutherland
Title: Re: [CTRL] Sons Of Mau Mau Declare War On Freemasonry
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That was Zuukie's phrase, not 
mine.

But i think i somewhat concur with you. I am 
well aware, for example in the NT book of Acts, of the Nipponic influence on 
Christianity, "And when the day of Pentecost was fully come, they were all 
with oneACCORD in one place." Acts 2:1How all 
the saintscrammed into one Honda is a true marvel in 
itself!

Similar influence is found in the Jews sacred 
book of Profits andKorprats ch.13 v6, we find the following encomium to the deity, "Oh what a feeling -Toyota!"

Dave.



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  religions.on 01/29/03 2:58 PM, David Sutherland at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  
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Re: [CTRL] Sons Of Mau Mau Declare War On Freemasonry

2003-01-28 Thread thew
Title: Re: [CTRL] Sons Of Mau Mau Declare War On Freemasonry
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Those are both Asian religions.


on 01/29/03 2:58 PM, David Sutherland at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 The monotheistic Western religions are Judaism and Christianity.


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Re: [CTRL] Sons Of Mau Mau Declare War On Freemasonry

2003-01-08 Thread David Sutherland
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BUUURP!!!

O! Pardonne! Bit O Xmas 
and New Years Cheer hanging 
over!

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  David,
  Rather than do a “he 
  said” “she said”, I’m going to try and answer your comments here at the 
  top.
  
Wow Zuukie! You really must hate Masons and Jews to go into 
all this broodish denial.Perhaps you might consider booking into one those New Age 
farms and work off some of this angst you carry around? Meditation classes, 
aromatherapy, a good rub, spa, sauna, maybe ignite the old Kundalini, who 
knows - a bit of Tantric sex perhaps? Still, I would recommend you not leave 
the Zoloft 
behind.
  Regarding the 
  “documenting”, unless you know something I don’t know, I think you shouldn’t 
  confuse yourself with the researchers at the 
  Holocaust 
  Museum. They documented. You posted a link.
  
For the purposes of a small foruma few links are about 
as good a "documentation" as anything else.Besides 
the epistemological nature of what you ask is so obscene and 
foolish as to be laughable. You ask me to prove what you disagree with and 
to document things not even originally touched on whilst throwing up Zuukie 
conspiracy theories all the while 
  throughout.
  To try and equate 
  Nazi war against the Jews with the Nazi war against the Masons is a weak 
  position to take.
  
I didn't equate it. The Nazi's did. Hitler's signature 
approved it. 
But you are too busied with frazzled argumentativeness to see 
or appreciate this fact and then suggest something was said which 
wasn't.
  Masons weren’t 
  rounded up and killed en masse. 
  While the Nazis publicly equated the Jews with the Masons, they were 
  looking very closely at what the Masons were involved with, more like the 
  Democrats vs the Republicans than Nazis as destroyers of the Jews. 
  
Now you have me 
hysterics.Next you'll be right into the 
same old Masonic-Jewish conspiracy theories promoted by Hitler, 
the popes clerics, and the 
White Race Brigade andtheir co-anti-Semites. Seems we're 
backinto playing the numbers charades like they 
do.In this respect, 
what then separates you from 
the Irvingites and Zundelites - if Jews, as your imply further on are your 
friends?The so-called "Revisionists" 
argue along the same line. 

So lets say there weren't "6 
million" Masons persecuted or killed, but 60,000 were - so on and so forth 
goes that style of talk which you appear to embrace now. 
Here you are taking the same 
tack against Masons as the anti-Semites do against Jews. It's become a 
numbers game, not about the lives and the ideological nature of the 
political and religious systems that decimated 
people.

Do you know how many Masons 
were murdered by the Nazi's?

I've heard Jewish apologists 
say that even ifONE Jewish personhad died under Nazi methods it 
is unacceptable (and i agree). Are you going to come out and 
say the same for Masons Zuukie? Or are Masons lesser forms of human life in 
the "moral" view that you espouse and their persecution and bloody killing 
needs to be sanitised and sterilized which you seem to do in your next 
paragraph.
  Destroying the 
  Masonic organization is not the same as being aware of who is involved with 
  what. The Nazis attacked the 
  Masons for political reasons. The 
  Masons have been attacked by the Catholic Church for religious reasons. Other than Pat Robertson, who I 
  wouldn’t trust to hold my bus transfer, I’ve come across very few attacks on 
  the Masons other than from those who are fighting the New Age movement, 
  something that anyone who loves freedom should be doing.
  
You meanthe Pat Robertson that 
said,“There will never be world peace until God’s house and 
God’s people are given their rightful place of leadership at the top of the 
world.” Why would you then trust anything that came out of, say Roman 
Catholicism. That is its sole reason for existence. 


Not sure what are you talking about in the next bit - joining 
New Agers? Or attacking Masons?Or "fighting" both but we let 
their attackers, like the vast political institution and persecutory 
monolith of Roman Catholicism go free? The term Catholicism, by the way is 
akin to Universalism, or in modern lingo we could call it Roman 
GLOBALISM.

So being attacked by Roman Globalism for "religious 
reasons" is being attacked how? Less so? Do you mean 
"attacked" like a catfig

Re: [CTRL] Sons Of Mau Mau Declare War On Freemasonry

2002-12-16 Thread Shemuwel Antoine Moser
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Re: [CTRL] Sons Of Mau Mau Declare War On Freemasonry

2002-12-16 Thread thew
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Im liberal

Your writings do not scare me. They are nonsense.

on 12/16/02 5:02 AM, Shemuwel Antoine Moser at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


I am neither Left Wing or Right Wing. I am neither conservative or liberal. My writings scare both Liberal and Conservative thinking people. Why is that? Maybe because my thought is pure and both Right Wing and Left Wing are evil.


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Re: [CTRL] Sons Of Mau Mau Declare War On Freemasonry

2002-12-16 Thread Dale Stonehouse
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Those who practice a religion do not think. Period.

on 12/16/02 5:02 AM, Shemuwel Antoine Moser at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

I am neither Left Wing or Right Wing. I am neither conservative or liberal.
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Re: [CTRL] Sons Of Mau Mau Declare War On Freemasonry

2002-12-16 Thread Kick The NWO
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Hmm... then perhaps Scientology actually is a religion.

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 Those who practice a religion do not think. Period.

 on 12/16/02 5:02 AM, Shemuwel Antoine Moser at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 I am neither Left Wing or Right Wing. I am neither conservative or
liberal.
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Re: [CTRL] Sons Of Mau Mau Declare War On Freemasonry

2002-12-16 Thread thew
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Of course it is.

And not a very clever one, at that.



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 Hmm... then perhaps Scientology actually is a religion.

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 I am neither Left Wing or Right Wing. I am neither conservative or
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Re: [CTRL] Sons Of Mau Mau Declare War On Freemasonry

2002-12-16 Thread magnetic_field
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Zuukie,
 If your 
going to send large attachments PLEASE send them out in the middle of the night. 
They bogged down people incoming mail. 
 
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Re: [CTRL] Sons Of Mau Mau Declare War On Freemasonry

2002-12-16 Thread Shemuwel Antoine Moser
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Re: [CTRL] Sons Of Mau Mau Declare War On Freemasonry

2002-12-16 Thread Zuukie
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I promise to delete everything after my
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anything I write.  There should be
nothing to open.  I have no idea what is
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Zuukie,






If your going to send large attachments PLEASE send them out in the middle of
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Re: [CTRL] Sons Of Mau Mau Declare War On Freemasonry

2002-12-10 Thread David Sutherland
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Gosh! 

One wonders from where and how these poor 
deluded sods ever got these rabidand idiotic ideas implanted into their 
mashed-pea brains?

Perhaps they ought build more Catholic and 
Co."churches" in Kenya - for to demonise groups and promote foul 
bloodthirsty hate would certainly never have arisenhad the 
Kenyansbeen blanketed profusely with the loving saints from; "Mainstream Anglican, Catholic and Presbyterian 
churches have joined in the fray. The Parish Pastor of 
Nairobi’s St Andrew’s Presbyterian Church of East Africa (PCEA), one of the 
oldest traditional churches in Kenya, said recently that Freemasonry 
should be abolished. "It has no standing in the wider 
community," he said". 

Well its nice to see that predictable 
"mainstream" churchesperennially behave true to formso that whenever 
opportunity arises they will join the deluded mob fora good old-time 
lynching.

Dave.



  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  William Shannon 
  
  To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  Sent: Tuesday, December 10, 2002 6:17 
  PM
  Subject: [CTRL] Sons Of Mau Mau Declare 
  War On Freemasonry
  -Caveat Lector- http://www.scotlandonsunday.com/international.cfm?id=1365492002Duke 
  heads into storm as sons of Mau Mau declare war on Freemasons TREVOR 
  GRUNDY THOUSANDS of young Kenyans are flocking to join an 
  aggressive religious cult which has vowed to wage a ‘holy war’ against 
  Freemasonry. The Mungiki youth sect has already declared war on 
  tourists as well as alcohol, tobacco and mini-skirts, which are seen as 
  symbols of the society they detest. Now its members are vowing to 
  eradicate Freemasonry from their country, just months before the Duke of Kent 
  is expected to visit Kenya as part of celebrations to mark the centenary of 
  the secretive organisation in East Africa. The threat is being taken 
  seriously by authorities in the country, who are still reeling from the 
  bombing of the Paradise Hotel in Mombasa and an attempt to shoot down an 
  Israeli airliner, both earlier this month. Only last week the British High 
  Commission was shut after receiving a "specific threat". The 300,000 
  members of the Mungiki youth sect see themselves as the true sons of the Mau 
  Mau rebels who rose up against British colonial rule in the 1950s. The sect, 
  which is banned, is committed to the traditional "African way of worship, 
  culture and lifestyle". Its leaders have accused the Freemasons of 
  "devil worshipping, drinking human blood, child and other forms of human 
  sacrifice and undermining the moral foundations of African society". 
  Ibrahim Waruingi, leader of the fundamentalist sect, said: "We must 
  burn the abode of all the evil that has invaded our country before we perish. 
  We are now targeting a snake which is fed on human blood drawn from children 
  kidnapped by Freemasons," he added. The threat comes as nearly 
  8,000 Freemasons in Kenya, Uganda, Seychelles and Tanzania are preparing to 
  celebrate the centenary of the organisation’s founding in Zanzibar in 1903. 
  The highlight of next year’s celebrations is due to be a visit by the Grand 
  Master of English Freemasonry, the Duke of Kent. He is expected to 
  hold talks in Nairobi with the new president of Kenya and be hosted in the 
  Tanzanian capital Dar es Salaam by President Ben Mkapa. Senior 
  officials responsible for the Duke of Kent’s security are known to be taking 
  the threats by the Mungiki seriously. Defending Freemasonry, Dr Andy 
  Chande, grandmaster of the Lodge of East Africa, said: "Some time ago, 
  [former] President Moi set up a commission of inquiry into the activities of 
  Freemasons in Kenya. "The commissioners interviewed me and other 
  leading Masons. They found nothing to connect us with Satan worship but did 
  suggest that we made more of an effort to explain our activities to the 
  public. "Our members do a great deal of work for charity and all of us 
  believe in a Supreme Being. Charges that we worship the devil are ridiculous." 
  The oaths taken by members of the Mungiki sect bear a strong 
  resemblance to those taken by the Mau Mau in the vast forests of Kikuyuland 
  around Nairobi half a century ago. The more violent members of Mungiki 
  have already sworn allegiance to Islam, to the embarrassment of leading Kenyan 
  Imams who want no part of a ‘holy war’ against Freemasons. Throughout 
  East Africa hundreds of thousands of young unemployed hopeless and homeless 
  blacks are turning from Christian churches and looking to Islam for religious, 
  and financial, help. They also like the free T-shirts and Korans provided 
  courtesy of Libya’s President Gaddafi and his busy diplomats in the region. 
  The members of the Mungiki sect are nearly all members of the Kikuyu 
  tribe and follow the ‘pagan’ Kikuyu religion. But the Mungiki sect is 
  not alone in its criticism of Freemasonry. Mainstream Anglican, Catholic and 
  

Re: [CTRL] Sons Of Mau Mau Declare War On Freemasonry

2002-12-10 Thread Zuukie
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David, why don’t you just
give us a list of what topics you want to have taken off the net because you
consider them not worthy of discussion.  Maybe we can all pitch in
and provide you with some sort of very high tech super duper information
blocker.  Your blood pressure is getting
too high I think.





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From: Conspiracy Theory Research
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Gosh! 











One wonders from where and
how these poor deluded sods ever got these rabidand idiotic ideas
implanted into their mashed-pea brains?











Perhaps they ought build
more Catholic and Co.churches in Kenya - for to demonise
groups and promote foul bloodthirsty hate would certainly never have
arisenhad the Kenyansbeen blanketed profusely with the loving
saints from; Mainstream
Anglican, Catholic and Presbyterian churches
have joined in the fray. The Parish
Pastor of Nairobi’s St Andrew’s Presbyterian Church of East Africa (PCEA), one
of the oldest traditional churches in Kenya, said
recently that Freemasonry should be abolished. It
has no standing in the wider community, he said. 











Well its nice to see that
predictable mainstream churchesperennially behave true to
formso that whenever opportunity arises they will join the deluded mob
fora good old-time lynching.











Dave.



















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From: William Shannon 





To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]






Sent: Tuesday,
December 10, 2002 6:17 PM





Subject: [CTRL] Sons
Of Mau Mau Declare War On Freemasonry









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Duke heads into storm as sons of Mau Mau declare war on Freemasons 
TREVOR GRUNDY 

THOUSANDS of young Kenyans are flocking to join an aggressive religious cult
which has vowed to wage a ‘holy war’ against Freemasonry. 

The Mungiki youth sect has already declared war on tourists as well as alcohol,
tobacco and mini-skirts, which are seen as symbols of the society they detest. 

Now its members are vowing to eradicate Freemasonry from their country, just
months before the Duke of Kent is expected to visit Kenya as part of
celebrations to mark the centenary of the secretive organisation in East
Africa. 

The threat is being taken seriously by authorities in the country, who are
still reeling from the bombing of the Paradise Hotel in Mombasa and an attempt
to shoot down an Israeli airliner, both earlier this month. Only last week the
British High Commission was shut after receiving a specific threat.


The 300,000 members of the Mungiki youth sect see themselves as the true sons
of the Mau Mau rebels who rose up against British colonial rule in the 1950s.
The sect, which is banned, is committed to the traditional African way of
worship, culture and lifestyle. 

Its leaders have accused the Freemasons of devil worshipping, drinking
human blood, child and other forms of human sacrifice and undermining the moral
foundations of African society. 

Ibrahim Waruingi, leader of the fundamentalist sect, said: We must burn
the abode of all the evil that has invaded our country before we perish. We are
now targeting a snake which is fed on human blood drawn from children kidnapped
by Freemasons, he added. 


The threat comes as nearly 8,000 Freemasons in Kenya, Uganda, Seychelles and
Tanzania are preparing to celebrate the centenary of the organisation’s
founding in Zanzibar in 1903. The highlight of next year’s celebrations is due
to be a visit by the Grand Master of English Freemasonry, the Duke of Kent. 

He is expected to hold talks in Nairobi with the new president of Kenya and be
hosted in the Tanzanian capital Dar es Salaam by President Ben Mkapa. 

Senior officials responsible for the Duke of Kent’s security are known to be
taking the threats by the Mungiki seriously. 

Defending Freemasonry, Dr Andy Chande, grandmaster of the Lodge of East Africa,
said: Some time ago, [former] President Moi set up a commission of
inquiry into the activities of Freemasons in Kenya. 

The commissioners interviewed me and other leading Masons. They found
nothing to connect us with Satan worship but did suggest that we made more of
an effort to explain our activities to the public. 

Our members do a great deal of work for charity and all of us believe in
a Supreme Being. Charges that we worship the devil are ridiculous. 

The oaths taken by members of the Mungiki sect bear a strong resemblance to
those taken by the Mau Mau in the vast forests of Kikuyuland around Nairobi
half a century ago. 

The more violent members of Mungiki have already sworn allegiance to Islam, to
the embarrassment of leading Kenyan Imams who want no part of a ‘holy war’
against Freemasons. 

Throughout East Africa hundreds