Re: [CTRL] UN Thugs Place OUR National parks off-limits
-Caveat Lector- The problem is it's OUR land, not the UN's. What right do they have to say who has access to it and who doesn't? Not to mention the fact that it's not off limits to save the land, it's off limits to hide something. Don't let them fool you. Jamie -Original Message- From: Maggie [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, July 15, 1999 5:19 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [CTRL] UN Thugs Place OUR National parks off-limits -Caveat Lector- I have a couple questions I hope you won't mind answering.. I have a hard time seeing what's wrong with it - don't get me wrong, I'm not saying I know it's right, but I can't see much bad. It seems like a good thing in that it keeps people from screwing up nice places. Which we do all the time. I don't see how buying up land in national parks forces people into the more manageable cities. As far as I know people don't live in national parks. Can you explain it more? I don't like the idea of it being UN owned, though. What is the global biodiversity plan? Thanks -Original Message- From: Bard [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Thursday, July 15, 1999 2:40 PM Subject: [CTRL] UN Thugs Place OUR National parks off-limits -Caveat Lector- "Laws that forbid the carrying of arms...disarm only those who are neither inclined nor determined to commit crimes... Such laws make things worse for the assaulted and better for the assailants; they serve rather to encourage than prevent homicides, for an unarmed man may be attacked with greater confidence then an armed man." --- Thomas Jefferson http://www.worldnetdaily.com/bluesky_dougherty/19990715_xnjdo_national_p.sh t ml THURSDAY JULY 15 1999 --- - National parks off-limits U.N.-designated panel calls for increased 'buffer zones' --- - By Jon E. Dougherty © 1999 WorldNetDaily.com Last year a United Nations-designated panel, at the behest of the Clinton administration, called for the creation of uninhabited "buffer zones" around several U.S. national parks. Since then roughly two dozen U.S. parks and preserves, covering millions of acres of public land, have been included in the plan. Now, however, new plans to expand these zones are in the works, and the outrage has reached a near fever pitch among experts who say these U.N.-designated sites are merely attempts to "globalize" huge portions of the United States -- with taxpayers picking up the tab. Henry Lamb of Eco-Logic -- a watchdog organization that monitors U.N. activities and U.S. sovereignty issues -- told WorldNetDaily that one example -- at Yellowstone National Park, where the creation of a larger buffer zone is well underway -- was "just a sign of things to come." "Inside Yellowstone, the U.S. Park Service is shutting down campgrounds as the park is being prepared to become the core of a huge biosphere reserve, as part of the United Nations global biodiversity plan," he said. "Once established, no human activity will be permitted in the area," even though U.S. taxpayers must continue to fund the maintenance and upkeep of Yellowstone and other popular outdoor tourist sites. Lamb said that in order to increase the buffer zone around Yellowstone, the Park Service drove local businesses away by refusing to maintain access roads. When the businesses folded as a result of heavy financial losses, the land was bought with taxpayer money and a larger zone of inaccessibility was created by default. "Once they buy the land, the government is obviously not going to resell it," he said, thus creating permanently larger buffer zones. "The purpose of establishing sites as U.S. national parks was to have people in them enjoying them," Lamb added. "But the Clinton administration has completely bought into this U.N. notion that our land ought to be their land, managed by them. And as such, it ought to be uninhabited as well." He said if most Americans "knew what was going on (with their national parks), the uproar would be deafening." In the case of Yellowstone, Lamb said the government's acquiescence to the U.N.'s agenda cost a gold mining company about $30 million and in the end prevented them from mining one ounce of known gold reserves, even though the government indicated they initially would have allowed it. "The owners of the Crown Butte New World gold mine, which is outside of Yellowstone National Park," he said, "were told by the government to comply with a list of environmental requirements before they could move in and begin mining." But after being threatened with non-stop litigation from environmental groups funded by U.N. agencies that could have lasted decades, the mining co
Re: [CTRL] UN Thugs Place OUR National parks off-limits
-Caveat Lector- - Original Message - From: Stopforth, Jamie [EMAIL PROTECTED] The problem is it's OUR land, not the UN's. What right do they have to say who has access to it and who doesn't? If you see any UN "keep off" signs around Yellowstone, let us know. If you mind that the mostly foreign-owned [Australian Canadian] mining companies will be prevented from open-pit- and strip-mining up to the edges of Yellowstone, pouring toxic chemicals into the ground water, paying minimal royalties to the U.S., let us know. If you think humans have the 'right' to devastate every last square inch of outdoor space on the planet, let us know. If you disagree with the wording of the US Constitution, Article VI: "This Constitution... and all Treaties made... under the Authority of the United States, shall be the supreme Law of the Land," in the context of US treaties with the UN, let us know. DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] UN Thugs Place OUR National parks off-limits
-Caveat Lector- Yeah, it's all about saving the land isn't it? At least it sounds good. Jamie -Original Message- From: Ric Carter [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, July 16, 1999 8:42 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [CTRL] UN Thugs Place OUR National parks off-limits -Caveat Lector- - Original Message - From: Stopforth, Jamie [EMAIL PROTECTED] The problem is it's OUR land, not the UN's. What right do they have to say who has access to it and who doesn't? If you see any UN "keep off" signs around Yellowstone, let us know. If you mind that the mostly foreign-owned [Australian Canadian] mining companies will be prevented from open-pit- and strip-mining up to the edges of Yellowstone, pouring toxic chemicals into the ground water, paying minimal royalties to the U.S., let us know. If you think humans have the 'right' to devastate every last square inch of outdoor space on the planet, let us know. If you disagree with the wording of the US Constitution, Article VI: "This Constitution... and all Treaties made... under the Authority of the United States, shall be the supreme Law of the Land," in the context of US treaties with the UN, let us know. DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substance-not soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] UN Thugs Place OUR National parks off-limits
-Caveat Lector- Well, I am as much for protecting the environment as the next person. I shall spare you the details of my on-going battle with my local utility concerning the connection of my solar/wind supplemental power source and the latest--spraying my Collie in the eyes with pepper spray for no reason. However, some of these Treaties have never been ratified. Case in point Alabama Steelworkers vs. NAFTA. NAFTA has never been ratified yet was upheld in federal court. The pollution is so bad in other countries, many far worse than in the US. I do not think that is the real reason the UN wants control of these resources. I think it is a little bit gullible to believe they only want to protect them from us bad ole plundering Americans. Amelia - Original Message - From: Ric Carter [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, July 16, 1999 8:41 AM Subject: Re: [CTRL] UN Thugs Place OUR National parks off-limits -Caveat Lector- - Original Message - From: Stopforth, Jamie [EMAIL PROTECTED] The problem is it's OUR land, not the UN's. What right do they have to say who has access to it and who doesn't? If you see any UN "keep off" signs around Yellowstone, let us know. If you mind that the mostly foreign-owned [Australian Canadian] mining companies will be prevented from open-pit- and strip-mining up to the edges of Yellowstone, pouring toxic chemicals into the ground water, paying minimal royalties to the U.S., let us know. If you think humans have the 'right' to devastate every last square inch of outdoor space on the planet, let us know. If you disagree with the wording of the US Constitution, Article VI: "This Constitution... and all Treaties made... under the Authority of the United States, shall be the supreme Law of the Land," in the context of US treaties with the UN, let us know. DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substance-not soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] UN Thugs Place OUR National parks off-limits
-Caveat Lector- Now, where can I find a UN flag to burn? DEFINE: De ting you get for breaking de law. Powered by Pegasus Mail for Windows v 3.11 DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] UN Thugs Place OUR National parks off-limits
-Caveat Lector- I have a couple questions I hope you won't mind answering.. I have a hard time seeing what's wrong with it - don't get me wrong, I'm not saying I know it's right, but I can't see much bad. It seems like a good thing in that it keeps people from screwing up nice places. Which we do all the time. I don't see how buying up land in national parks forces people into the more manageable cities. As far as I know people don't live in national parks. Can you explain it more? I don't like the idea of it being UN owned, though. What is the global biodiversity plan? Thanks -Original Message- From: Bard [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Thursday, July 15, 1999 2:40 PM Subject: [CTRL] UN Thugs Place OUR National parks off-limits -Caveat Lector- "Laws that forbid the carrying of arms...disarm only those who are neither inclined nor determined to commit crimes... Such laws make things worse for the assaulted and better for the assailants; they serve rather to encourage than prevent homicides, for an unarmed man may be attacked with greater confidence then an armed man." --- Thomas Jefferson http://www.worldnetdaily.com/bluesky_dougherty/19990715_xnjdo_national_p.sh t ml THURSDAY JULY 15 1999 --- - National parks off-limits U.N.-designated panel calls for increased 'buffer zones' --- - By Jon E. Dougherty © 1999 WorldNetDaily.com Last year a United Nations-designated panel, at the behest of the Clinton administration, called for the creation of uninhabited "buffer zones" around several U.S. national parks. Since then roughly two dozen U.S. parks and preserves, covering millions of acres of public land, have been included in the plan. Now, however, new plans to expand these zones are in the works, and the outrage has reached a near fever pitch among experts who say these U.N.-designated sites are merely attempts to "globalize" huge portions of the United States -- with taxpayers picking up the tab. Henry Lamb of Eco-Logic -- a watchdog organization that monitors U.N. activities and U.S. sovereignty issues -- told WorldNetDaily that one example -- at Yellowstone National Park, where the creation of a larger buffer zone is well underway -- was "just a sign of things to come." "Inside Yellowstone, the U.S. Park Service is shutting down campgrounds as the park is being prepared to become the core of a huge biosphere reserve, as part of the United Nations global biodiversity plan," he said. "Once established, no human activity will be permitted in the area," even though U.S. taxpayers must continue to fund the maintenance and upkeep of Yellowstone and other popular outdoor tourist sites. Lamb said that in order to increase the buffer zone around Yellowstone, the Park Service drove local businesses away by refusing to maintain access roads. When the businesses folded as a result of heavy financial losses, the land was bought with taxpayer money and a larger zone of inaccessibility was created by default. "Once they buy the land, the government is obviously not going to resell it," he said, thus creating permanently larger buffer zones. "The purpose of establishing sites as U.S. national parks was to have people in them enjoying them," Lamb added. "But the Clinton administration has completely bought into this U.N. notion that our land ought to be their land, managed by them. And as such, it ought to be uninhabited as well." He said if most Americans "knew what was going on (with their national parks), the uproar would be deafening." In the case of Yellowstone, Lamb said the government's acquiescence to the U.N.'s agenda cost a gold mining company about $30 million and in the end prevented them from mining one ounce of known gold reserves, even though the government indicated they initially would have allowed it. "The owners of the Crown Butte New World gold mine, which is outside of Yellowstone National Park," he said, "were told by the government to comply with a list of environmental requirements before they could move in and begin mining." But after being threatened with non-stop litigation from environmental groups funded by U.N. agencies that could have lasted decades, the mining company finally agreed to a deal that leaves at least $650 million of known gold reserves in the ground instead. That deal provided the company with about $65 million dollars for "more exploration." Of that amount, the government said about $21 million had to be used for "environmental clean-up." Lamb said that Congress has consistently ignored Clinton administration orders and directives designed to implement many of the U.N. mandates. Clint on, he said, is implementing U.N. directives via executive order and presidential directive "because then he doesn't have to worry about getting
