Re: [cwelug] Ubuntu 8.04 puzzler
On Mon, Nov 30, 2009 at 12:24 AM, Theresa Kehoe t...@cablemo.net wrote: On Sun, 2009-11-29 at 22:24 -0500, Robert Citek wrote: I searched on launchpad for folder size in evolution, but I don't see it: https://bugs.launchpad.net/evolution/+bugs?field.searchtext=folder+size Do you have a link to the bug report? https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=522433 Which references this: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/evolution/+bug/197290 Many years ago perl under Red Hat did not come packaged with large file support. The solution was to rebuild the package with the parameter enabling large file support. Evolution under Ubuntu may require a similar solution. Rebuilding the package under Red Hat was fairly simple, a one-liner if I recall correctly. Unfortunately, I don't know how to do the equivalent under Ubuntu/Debian. If we wanted to go down that route, I would start by having a simple test, ideally a test case that anyone can create and use quickly. In this case, a simple test would be to somehow create (i.e. a script or command) a mail folder with a mailfile that is 1.9 GB and another mail folder with a mailfile that is 2.2 GB. Once we have a test, then it's a mater of using Evolution to open one then the other mailfile, rebuild, and repeat, until Evolution can open both mailfiles. The solution may be as simple as adding the gcc flag -D_FILE_OFFSET_BITS=64 when compiling Evolution, or it may be as complicated as adding the gcc flag -D_FILE_OFFSET_BITS=64 to every single Evolution dependency. Regards, - Robert -- Central West End Linux Users Group (via Google Groups) Main page: http://www.cwelug.org To post: cwelug@googlegroups.com To subscribe: cwelug-subscr...@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe: cwelug-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com More options: http://groups.google.com/group/cwelug
Re: [cwelug] Ubuntu 8.04 puzzler
From a related thread: One of these days we need to fix all this ... basically migrate to purely 64-bit file offset platforms. It should just work without any changes needed at that point, if they do it right (which is not a given). If old programs compiled on legacy 32-bit file offset platforms break, so be it. Dont'cha just love it -- the fix is just to say screw it to anybody who's not running 64-bit. Hasn't been fixed in years, although it's been known about for years. Robert, if your fix is that simple, then why the FSCK haven't the good folks at Evolution, Gnome, or Ubuntu done it? Just tell everyone to throw away every computer that isn't 64-bit. Why do they even bother to produce a 32-bit version, then? (can you tell I'm exhausted and irritated? Been up most of the past two nights with a different computer problem for ByteWorks) Theresa On Mon, 2009-11-30 at 08:27 -0500, Robert Citek wrote: On Mon, Nov 30, 2009 at 12:24 AM, Theresa Kehoe t...@cablemo.net wrote: On Sun, 2009-11-29 at 22:24 -0500, Robert Citek wrote: I searched on launchpad for folder size in evolution, but I don't see it: https://bugs.launchpad.net/evolution/+bugs?field.searchtext=folder+size Do you have a link to the bug report? https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=522433 Which references this: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/evolution/+bug/197290 Many years ago perl under Red Hat did not come packaged with large file support. The solution was to rebuild the package with the parameter enabling large file support. Evolution under Ubuntu may require a similar solution. Rebuilding the package under Red Hat was fairly simple, a one-liner if I recall correctly. Unfortunately, I don't know how to do the equivalent under Ubuntu/Debian. If we wanted to go down that route, I would start by having a simple test, ideally a test case that anyone can create and use quickly. In this case, a simple test would be to somehow create (i.e. a script or command) a mail folder with a mailfile that is 1.9 GB and another mail folder with a mailfile that is 2.2 GB. Once we have a test, then it's a mater of using Evolution to open one then the other mailfile, rebuild, and repeat, until Evolution can open both mailfiles. The solution may be as simple as adding the gcc flag -D_FILE_OFFSET_BITS=64 when compiling Evolution, or it may be as complicated as adding the gcc flag -D_FILE_OFFSET_BITS=64 to every single Evolution dependency. Regards, - Robert -- Central West End Linux Users Group (via Google Groups) Main page: http://www.cwelug.org To post: cwelug@googlegroups.com To subscribe: cwelug-subscr...@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe: cwelug-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com More options: http://groups.google.com/group/cwelug
Re: [cwelug] Ubuntu 8.04 puzzler
On Mon, Nov 30, 2009 at 10:12 AM, Theresa Kehoe t...@cablemo.net wrote: From a related thread: One of these days we need to fix all this ... basically migrate to purely 64-bit file offset platforms. It should just work without any changes needed at that point, if they do it right (which is not a given). If old programs compiled on legacy 32-bit file offset platforms break, so be it. Dont'cha just love it -- the fix is just to say screw it to anybody who's not running 64-bit. That's not really a solution. 64-bit has its own set of issues. Hasn't been fixed in years, although it's been known about for years. Robert, if your fix is that simple, then why the FSCK haven't the good folks at Evolution, Gnome, or Ubuntu done it? I'm not saying it is simple. I'm saying it might be and that no one has tried it (I have see that before.) On the other hand, it could be that the solution is significantly more difficult. I don't know. Just tell everyone to throw away every computer that isn't 64-bit. Why do they even bother to produce a 32-bit version, then? (can you tell I'm exhausted and irritated? Been up most of the past two nights with a different computer problem for ByteWorks) Might want to take a break. Regards, - Robert -- Central West End Linux Users Group (via Google Groups) Main page: http://www.cwelug.org To post: cwelug@googlegroups.com To subscribe: cwelug-subscr...@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe: cwelug-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com More options: http://groups.google.com/group/cwelug
Re: [cwelug] Ubuntu 8.04 puzzler
My question is, why don't you use Gmail then use Evolution to access Gmail through IMAP so you never have to worry about this crap again? Or better yet, just use the Web interface? Scott -- R. Scott Granneman sc...@granneman.com ~ www.granneman.com Full list of publications @ http://www.granneman.com/publications My new book: Google Apps Deciphered @ http://www.granneman.com/books My job is a decision-making job. And as a result, I make a lot of decisions. ---George W. Bush, 3 October 2007 On Thu, Nov 26, 2009 at 2:04 AM, Nathan Nutter i...@nnutter.com wrote: I don't know if notify-osd is available for LTS but if it is I believe it (or maybe it was libnotify) has a command line util to display popups. You could display a sticky message, i.e. it doesn't go away, warning of this. On Thu, Nov 26, 2009 at 12:11 AM, Theresa Kehoe t...@cablemo.net wrote: On Wed, 2009-11-25 at 23:28 -0500, Robert Citek wrote: On Wed, Nov 25, 2009 at 10:13 PM, Theresa Kehoe t...@cablemo.net wrote: So Robert, if you're reading this thread, and if you're bored, how *would* one go about writing a simple cron script to run once-daily, to check the file size of every file in ~/.evolution/mail/local/ and give the user a warning if any file is larger than 1.5GB? Yup, reading thread. Nope, not bored, just need a break from other stuff. Cron job: $ crontab -l SHELL=/bin/bash # field allowed values # - -- # /--- minute 0-59 # | /- hour 0-23 # | | /--- day of month 1-31 # | | | /- month 1-12 (or names, see below) # | | | | /--- day of week 0-7 (0 or 7 is Sun, or use names) # | | | | | * * * * * date /tmp/date.log Find files that exceed 1.5 GB in size: $ find /home/rwcitek/.evolution/mail/local/ -size +1500M -ls | head -1 | grep -q . echo yes The question is, how do you want to be warned? Not by email :) If I'm willing to go through some hoops, I can sudo apt-get install linpopup, tweak the system to start it up at login, take your script's output (as a .txt file), and: cat output.txt | smbclient -M shiny So long as I'm willing to always have linpopup minimized. Otherwise, if it's not running, it will store the messages but not display them. I can't assume there will be a terminal, so sending a message that way won't work, either. What would you suggest? I haven't really found any easy way to do this. Theresa -- Central West End Linux Users Group (via Google Groups) Main page: http://www.cwelug.org To post: cwelug@googlegroups.com To subscribe: cwelug-subscr...@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe: cwelug-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com More options: http://groups.google.com/group/cwelug -- Central West End Linux Users Group (via Google Groups) Main page: http://www.cwelug.org To post: cwelug@googlegroups.com To subscribe: cwelug-subscr...@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe: cwelug-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com More options: http://groups.google.com/group/cwelug -- Central West End Linux Users Group (via Google Groups) Main page: http://www.cwelug.org To post: cwelug@googlegroups.com To subscribe: cwelug-subscr...@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe: cwelug-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com More options: http://groups.google.com/group/cwelug
Re: [cwelug] Ubuntu 8.04 puzzler
Because I'm not the one with the problem -- and I don't think tell the user they shouldn't use the email application they know and have used for years is necessarily the correct answer, whether it's true or not. Besides, I have tried getting him to use other apps, like Thunderbird, but he's old and stubborn, knows what he knows, and doesn't take kindly to change. And, it isn't for accessing a Gmail account, it's for accessing a Cable America POP3 account. Finally, I'd like to know how Shuttleworth expects people to take Ubuntu seriously, when the default email client contains such a poorly-documented show-stopping multi-year old bug? Theresa On Sun, 2009-11-29 at 13:21 -0600, Scott Granneman wrote: My question is, why don't you use Gmail then use Evolution to access Gmail through IMAP so you never have to worry about this crap again? Or better yet, just use the Web interface? Scott -- R. Scott Granneman sc...@granneman.com ~ www.granneman.com Full list of publications @ http://www.granneman.com/publications My new book: Google Apps Deciphered @ http://www.granneman.com/books My job is a decision-making job. And as a result, I make a lot of decisions. ---George W. Bush, 3 October 2007 On Thu, Nov 26, 2009 at 2:04 AM, Nathan Nutter i...@nnutter.com wrote: I don't know if notify-osd is available for LTS but if it is I believe it (or maybe it was libnotify) has a command line util to display popups. You could display a sticky message, i.e. it doesn't go away, warning of this. On Thu, Nov 26, 2009 at 12:11 AM, Theresa Kehoe t...@cablemo.net wrote: On Wed, 2009-11-25 at 23:28 -0500, Robert Citek wrote: On Wed, Nov 25, 2009 at 10:13 PM, Theresa Kehoe t...@cablemo.net wrote: So Robert, if you're reading this thread, and if you're bored, how *would* one go about writing a simple cron script to run once-daily, to check the file size of every file in ~/.evolution/mail/local/ and give the user a warning if any file is larger than 1.5GB? Yup, reading thread. Nope, not bored, just need a break from other stuff. Cron job: $ crontab -l SHELL=/bin/bash # field allowed values # - -- # /--- minute 0-59 # | /- hour 0-23 # | | /--- day of month 1-31 # | | | /- month 1-12 (or names, see below) # | | | | /--- day of week0-7 (0 or 7 is Sun, or use names) # | | | | | * * * * * date /tmp/date.log Find files that exceed 1.5 GB in size: $ find /home/rwcitek/.evolution/mail/local/ -size +1500M -ls | head -1 | grep -q . echo yes The question is, how do you want to be warned? Not by email :) If I'm willing to go through some hoops, I can sudo apt-get install linpopup, tweak the system to start it up at login, take your script's output (as a .txt file), and: cat output.txt | smbclient -M shiny So long as I'm willing to always have linpopup minimized. Otherwise, if it's not running, it will store the messages but not display them. I can't assume there will be a terminal, so sending a message that way won't work, either. What would you suggest? I haven't really found any easy way to do this. Theresa -- Central West End Linux Users Group (via Google Groups) Main page: http://www.cwelug.org To post: cwelug@googlegroups.com To subscribe: cwelug-subscr...@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe: cwelug-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com More options: http://groups.google.com/group/cwelug -- Central West End Linux Users Group (via Google Groups) Main page: http://www.cwelug.org To post: cwelug@googlegroups.com To subscribe: cwelug-subscr...@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe: cwelug-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com More options: http://groups.google.com/group/cwelug -- Central West End Linux Users Group (via Google Groups) Main page: http://www.cwelug.org To post: cwelug@googlegroups.com To subscribe: cwelug-subscr...@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe: cwelug-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com More options: http://groups.google.com/group/cwelug
Re: [cwelug] Ubuntu 8.04 puzzler
So set up his Cable America account to forward email to a Gmail account. Then set up Evolution to use IMAP to connect to the Gmail account. You can set the From: to the Cable American account in Gmail. Problem solved, he gets to use his same old email software his same old email address. Scott -- R. Scott Granneman sc...@granneman.com ~ www.granneman.com Full list of publications @ http://www.granneman.com/publications My new book: Google Apps Deciphered @ http://www.granneman.com/books Conservatism, with its belief in institutions, traditions, and the past, will seemingly always privilege (perhaps inadvertently) the powerful over the powerless. Institutions, traditions and the past belong to those with power. Privileging them, privileges their agents. ---Ta-Nehisi Coates, The Atlantic, 9 June 2009 On Sun, Nov 29, 2009 at 2:55 PM, Theresa Kehoe t...@cablemo.net wrote: Because I'm not the one with the problem -- and I don't think tell the user they shouldn't use the email application they know and have used for years is necessarily the correct answer, whether it's true or not. Besides, I have tried getting him to use other apps, like Thunderbird, but he's old and stubborn, knows what he knows, and doesn't take kindly to change. And, it isn't for accessing a Gmail account, it's for accessing a Cable America POP3 account. Finally, I'd like to know how Shuttleworth expects people to take Ubuntu seriously, when the default email client contains such a poorly-documented show-stopping multi-year old bug? Theresa On Sun, 2009-11-29 at 13:21 -0600, Scott Granneman wrote: My question is, why don't you use Gmail then use Evolution to access Gmail through IMAP so you never have to worry about this crap again? Or better yet, just use the Web interface? Scott -- R. Scott Granneman sc...@granneman.com ~ www.granneman.com Full list of publications @ http://www.granneman.com/publications My new book: Google Apps Deciphered @ http://www.granneman.com/books My job is a decision-making job. And as a result, I make a lot of decisions. ---George W. Bush, 3 October 2007 On Thu, Nov 26, 2009 at 2:04 AM, Nathan Nutter i...@nnutter.com wrote: I don't know if notify-osd is available for LTS but if it is I believe it (or maybe it was libnotify) has a command line util to display popups. You could display a sticky message, i.e. it doesn't go away, warning of this. On Thu, Nov 26, 2009 at 12:11 AM, Theresa Kehoe t...@cablemo.net wrote: On Wed, 2009-11-25 at 23:28 -0500, Robert Citek wrote: On Wed, Nov 25, 2009 at 10:13 PM, Theresa Kehoe t...@cablemo.net wrote: So Robert, if you're reading this thread, and if you're bored, how *would* one go about writing a simple cron script to run once-daily, to check the file size of every file in ~/.evolution/mail/local/ and give the user a warning if any file is larger than 1.5GB? Yup, reading thread. Nope, not bored, just need a break from other stuff. Cron job: $ crontab -l SHELL=/bin/bash # field allowed values # - -- # /--- minute 0-59 # | /- hour 0-23 # | | /--- day of month 1-31 # | | | /- month 1-12 (or names, see below) # | | | | /--- day of week 0-7 (0 or 7 is Sun, or use names) # | | | | | * * * * * date /tmp/date.log Find files that exceed 1.5 GB in size: $ find /home/rwcitek/.evolution/mail/local/ -size +1500M -ls | head -1 | grep -q . echo yes The question is, how do you want to be warned? Not by email :) If I'm willing to go through some hoops, I can sudo apt-get install linpopup, tweak the system to start it up at login, take your script's output (as a .txt file), and: cat output.txt | smbclient -M shiny So long as I'm willing to always have linpopup minimized. Otherwise, if it's not running, it will store the messages but not display them. I can't assume there will be a terminal, so sending a message that way won't work, either. What would you suggest? I haven't really found any easy way to do this. Theresa -- Central West End Linux Users Group (via Google Groups) Main page: http://www.cwelug.org To post: cwelug@googlegroups.com To subscribe: cwelug-subscr...@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe: cwelug-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com More options: http://groups.google.com/group/cwelug -- Central West End Linux Users Group (via Google Groups) Main page: http://www.cwelug.org To post: cwelug@googlegroups.com To subscribe: cwelug-subscr...@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe: cwelug-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com More options: http://groups.google.com/group/cwelug -- Central West End Linux Users Group (via Google Groups) Main page: http://www.cwelug.org To post: cwelug@googlegroups.com To subscribe: cwelug-subscr...@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe:
Re: [cwelug] Ubuntu 8.04 puzzler
On Sun, 2009-11-29 at 18:01 -0600, Scott Granneman wrote: So set up his Cable America account to forward email to a Gmail account. Then set up Evolution to use IMAP to connect to the Gmail account. You can set the From: to the Cable American account in Gmail. Problem solved, he gets to use his same old email software his same old email address. So long as you don't mind the fact that Google gets to scan every single word of every email he sends or receives ... but I digress. The bug in Evolution crops up, as far as I can tell, when ANY folder gets to be 2GB or larger ... His folder that was the problem was ~./evolution/mail/local/Inbox ... but equally it could have been Trash, or a user-created sub-folder. How would using Google, Gmail, and IMAP make any difference as to what content is stored in his local .evolution directory? Please note that in Evolution, imap, local, and pop are all subdirectories on the same level -- actual downloaded and stored messages are kept in 'local', and not in POP. So I don't think it matters which protocol is being used. When this happens to most users, they get an error when Evolution starts. In his case, we got no error message. However, the symptoms were exactly the same, which is, whatever folder(s) are 2GB, don't display correctly, instead showing zero messages. Or am I not understanding the Google connection? Does using Gmail and IMAP mean that nothing, absolutely nothing, is being stored on his local machine? Otherwise, it doesn't fix a thing. Theresa Scott -- R. Scott Granneman sc...@granneman.com ~ www.granneman.com Full list of publications @ http://www.granneman.com/publications My new book: Google Apps Deciphered @ http://www.granneman.com/books Conservatism, with its belief in institutions, traditions, and the past, will seemingly always privilege (perhaps inadvertently) the powerful over the powerless. Institutions, traditions and the past belong to those with power. Privileging them, privileges their agents. ---Ta-Nehisi Coates, The Atlantic, 9 June 2009 On Sun, Nov 29, 2009 at 2:55 PM, Theresa Kehoe t...@cablemo.net wrote: Because I'm not the one with the problem -- and I don't think tell the user they shouldn't use the email application they know and have used for years is necessarily the correct answer, whether it's true or not. Besides, I have tried getting him to use other apps, like Thunderbird, but he's old and stubborn, knows what he knows, and doesn't take kindly to change. And, it isn't for accessing a Gmail account, it's for accessing a Cable America POP3 account. Finally, I'd like to know how Shuttleworth expects people to take Ubuntu seriously, when the default email client contains such a poorly-documented show-stopping multi-year old bug? Theresa On Sun, 2009-11-29 at 13:21 -0600, Scott Granneman wrote: My question is, why don't you use Gmail then use Evolution to access Gmail through IMAP so you never have to worry about this crap again? Or better yet, just use the Web interface? Scott -- R. Scott Granneman sc...@granneman.com ~ www.granneman.com Full list of publications @ http://www.granneman.com/publications My new book: Google Apps Deciphered @ http://www.granneman.com/books My job is a decision-making job. And as a result, I make a lot of decisions. ---George W. Bush, 3 October 2007 On Thu, Nov 26, 2009 at 2:04 AM, Nathan Nutter i...@nnutter.com wrote: I don't know if notify-osd is available for LTS but if it is I believe it (or maybe it was libnotify) has a command line util to display popups. You could display a sticky message, i.e. it doesn't go away, warning of this. On Thu, Nov 26, 2009 at 12:11 AM, Theresa Kehoe t...@cablemo.net wrote: On Wed, 2009-11-25 at 23:28 -0500, Robert Citek wrote: On Wed, Nov 25, 2009 at 10:13 PM, Theresa Kehoe t...@cablemo.net wrote: So Robert, if you're reading this thread, and if you're bored, how *would* one go about writing a simple cron script to run once-daily, to check the file size of every file in ~/.evolution/mail/local/ and give the user a warning if any file is larger than 1.5GB? Yup, reading thread. Nope, not bored, just need a break from other stuff. Cron job: $ crontab -l SHELL=/bin/bash # field allowed values # - -- # /--- minute 0-59 # | /- hour 0-23 # | | /--- day of month 1-31 # | | | /- month 1-12 (or names, see below) # | | | | /--- day of week0-7 (0 or 7 is Sun, or use names) # | | | | | * * * * * date /tmp/date.log Find files that exceed 1.5 GB in size: $ find /home/rwcitek/.evolution/mail/local/ -size +1500M -ls | head -1 | grep -q . echo yes The question is, how do you want to be warned? Not by
Re: [cwelug] Ubuntu 8.04 puzzler
On Sun, Nov 29, 2009 at 8:58 PM, Theresa Kehoe t...@cablemo.net wrote: The bug in Evolution crops up, as far as I can tell, when ANY folder gets to be 2GB or larger ... His folder that was the problem was ~./evolution/mail/local/Inbox ... but equally it could have been Trash, or a user-created sub-folder. I searched on launchpad for folder size in evolution, but I don't see it: https://bugs.launchpad.net/evolution/+bugs?field.searchtext=folder+size Do you have a link to the bug report? Regards, - Robert -- Central West End Linux Users Group (via Google Groups) Main page: http://www.cwelug.org To post: cwelug@googlegroups.com To subscribe: cwelug-subscr...@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe: cwelug-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com More options: http://groups.google.com/group/cwelug
Re: [cwelug] Ubuntu 8.04 puzzler
I don't know if notify-osd is available for LTS but if it is I believe it (or maybe it was libnotify) has a command line util to display popups. You could display a sticky message, i.e. it doesn't go away, warning of this. On Thu, Nov 26, 2009 at 12:11 AM, Theresa Kehoe t...@cablemo.net wrote: On Wed, 2009-11-25 at 23:28 -0500, Robert Citek wrote: On Wed, Nov 25, 2009 at 10:13 PM, Theresa Kehoe t...@cablemo.net wrote: So Robert, if you're reading this thread, and if you're bored, how *would* one go about writing a simple cron script to run once-daily, to check the file size of every file in ~/.evolution/mail/local/ and give the user a warning if any file is larger than 1.5GB? Yup, reading thread. Nope, not bored, just need a break from other stuff. Cron job: $ crontab -l SHELL=/bin/bash # field allowed values # - -- # /--- minute 0-59 # | /- hour 0-23 # | | /--- day of month 1-31 # | | | /- month 1-12 (or names, see below) # | | | | /--- day of week 0-7 (0 or 7 is Sun, or use names) # | | | | | * * * * * date /tmp/date.log Find files that exceed 1.5 GB in size: $ find /home/rwcitek/.evolution/mail/local/ -size +1500M -ls | head -1 | grep -q . echo yes The question is, how do you want to be warned? Not by email :) If I'm willing to go through some hoops, I can sudo apt-get install linpopup, tweak the system to start it up at login, take your script's output (as a .txt file), and: cat output.txt | smbclient -M shiny So long as I'm willing to always have linpopup minimized. Otherwise, if it's not running, it will store the messages but not display them. I can't assume there will be a terminal, so sending a message that way won't work, either. What would you suggest? I haven't really found any easy way to do this. Theresa -- Central West End Linux Users Group (via Google Groups) Main page: http://www.cwelug.org To post: cwelug@googlegroups.com To subscribe: cwelug-subscr...@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe: cwelug-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com More options: http://groups.google.com/group/cwelug -- Central West End Linux Users Group (via Google Groups) Main page: http://www.cwelug.org To post: cwelug@googlegroups.com To subscribe: cwelug-subscr...@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe: cwelug-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com More options: http://groups.google.com/group/cwelug
Re: [cwelug] Ubuntu 8.04 puzzler
On Wed, Nov 25, 2009 at 12:27 PM, Theresa Kehoe t...@cablemo.net wrote: But, does anyone have any good suggestions for how to troubleshoot this? I did try mark for reinstallation of everything Evolution-related in Synaptec, but that didn't appear to change anything. Since we don't know exactly where the issue is, it could be anything from something relatively benign to just shy of catastrophic. So to start: 1) backup his data (image the whole disk if you can) 2) boot a livecd and check the filesystem(s) 3) check filesystems for inode usage, df -i 4) for Firefox, check the user settings (Edit Preferences Privacy) 5) for Evolution, not sure as I don't use it. My inclination would be to switch to IMAP over POP as POP has all some unresolved issues[1]. There's a bunch of other things to try, but we gotta start somewhere. Good luck and let us know how things go. [1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Post_Office_Protocol Regards, - Robert -- Central West End Linux Users Group (via Google Groups) Main page: http://www.cwelug.org To post: cwelug@googlegroups.com To subscribe: cwelug-subscr...@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe: cwelug-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com More options: http://groups.google.com/group/cwelug
Re: [cwelug] Ubuntu 8.04 puzzler
Try creating a new user and log in and set up evolution to pop his mail again. In the past I have managed to mess up my main account so much that it made sense to create another for user for Ubuntu and use that one instead of my original account. On Wed, Nov 25, 2009 at 11:57 AM, Theresa Kehoe t...@cablemo.net wrote: On Wed, 2009-11-25 at 12:37 -0500, Robert Citek wrote: On Wed, Nov 25, 2009 at 12:27 PM, Theresa Kehoe t...@cablemo.net wrote: But, does anyone have any good suggestions for how to troubleshoot this? I did try mark for reinstallation of everything Evolution-related in Synaptec, but that didn't appear to change anything. Since we don't know exactly where the issue is, it could be anything from something relatively benign to just shy of catastrophic. So to start: 1) backup his data (image the whole disk if you can) Working on it. To start with, completely backed up the .evolution folder. 2) boot a livecd and check the filesystem(s) See #1 3) check filesystems for inode usage, df -i See #1 4) for Firefox, check the user settings (Edit Preferences Privacy) Checked all those when he told me about the problem. Created a new profile. None of those things worked. 5) for Evolution, not sure as I don't use it. My inclination would be to switch to IMAP over POP as POP has all some unresolved issues[1]. Why would POP work with Evolution just fine up through November 24, but break on November 25? Point is, when you click Send/Receive, Evolution will send, but will not even *attempt* to receive (according to Wireshark logs). Created new account in Evolution, no diff. in behavior. There's a bunch of other things to try, but we gotta start somewhere. Also, a year or two back, he ran into a glitch with Evolution whereby, when you had something like 2GB in your inbox, it broke. I remember stumbling through that one, and managed to find a workaround (although he lost some of his accumulated junk) ... so I can't help wondering if he hasn't hit some other undocumented limitation? Again, point is, worked just fine at 2200 on 24 Nov 2009 ... broken at 0830 on 25 Nov 2009. For another fun experiment, I just now logged on to his machine, then set up Evolution with his username and password ... and it works just fine. That points to it NOT being a physical hard drive issue, but instead being some weird tipping point like the one I ran into in the past. Evidently, Evolution has some limitations as to how much you can keep in which directories, and he max'ed that out. At least that's my best guess. No clue on Firefox (but didn't have time to test that out yet). Good luck and let us know how things go. Always fun for the holidays! My notion for a fix is to go shopping online for a new computer and surprise him with an early Xmas gift! :-) (although unless I can do better teaching him to a) back up his data and b) not keep 2GB of *crap* in his inbox, not sure if it will help all that much) Theresa -- Central West End Linux Users Group (via Google Groups) Main page: http://www.cwelug.org To post: cwelug@googlegroups.com To subscribe: cwelug-subscr...@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe: cwelug-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com More options: http://groups.google.com/group/cwelug -- Central West End Linux Users Group (via Google Groups) Main page: http://www.cwelug.org To post: cwelug@googlegroups.com To subscribe: cwelug-subscr...@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe: cwelug-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com More options: http://groups.google.com/group/cwelug
Re: [cwelug] Ubuntu 8.04 puzzler
...it made sense to create another user for Ubuntu Ignore the first for. I have got to spend more time reading what I write. Sorry. On Wed, Nov 25, 2009 at 3:33 PM, Mike Bigalke mikeb2g...@gmail.com wrote: Try creating a new user and log in and set up evolution to pop his mail again. In the past I have managed to mess up my main account so much that it made sense to create another for user for Ubuntu and use that one instead of my original account. On Wed, Nov 25, 2009 at 11:57 AM, Theresa Kehoe t...@cablemo.net wrote: On Wed, 2009-11-25 at 12:37 -0500, Robert Citek wrote: On Wed, Nov 25, 2009 at 12:27 PM, Theresa Kehoe t...@cablemo.net wrote: But, does anyone have any good suggestions for how to troubleshoot this? I did try mark for reinstallation of everything Evolution-related in Synaptec, but that didn't appear to change anything. Since we don't know exactly where the issue is, it could be anything from something relatively benign to just shy of catastrophic. So to start: 1) backup his data (image the whole disk if you can) Working on it. To start with, completely backed up the .evolution folder. 2) boot a livecd and check the filesystem(s) See #1 3) check filesystems for inode usage, df -i See #1 4) for Firefox, check the user settings (Edit Preferences Privacy) Checked all those when he told me about the problem. Created a new profile. None of those things worked. 5) for Evolution, not sure as I don't use it. My inclination would be to switch to IMAP over POP as POP has all some unresolved issues[1]. Why would POP work with Evolution just fine up through November 24, but break on November 25? Point is, when you click Send/Receive, Evolution will send, but will not even *attempt* to receive (according to Wireshark logs). Created new account in Evolution, no diff. in behavior. There's a bunch of other things to try, but we gotta start somewhere. Also, a year or two back, he ran into a glitch with Evolution whereby, when you had something like 2GB in your inbox, it broke. I remember stumbling through that one, and managed to find a workaround (although he lost some of his accumulated junk) ... so I can't help wondering if he hasn't hit some other undocumented limitation? Again, point is, worked just fine at 2200 on 24 Nov 2009 ... broken at 0830 on 25 Nov 2009. For another fun experiment, I just now logged on to his machine, then set up Evolution with his username and password ... and it works just fine. That points to it NOT being a physical hard drive issue, but instead being some weird tipping point like the one I ran into in the past. Evidently, Evolution has some limitations as to how much you can keep in which directories, and he max'ed that out. At least that's my best guess. No clue on Firefox (but didn't have time to test that out yet). Good luck and let us know how things go. Always fun for the holidays! My notion for a fix is to go shopping online for a new computer and surprise him with an early Xmas gift! :-) (although unless I can do better teaching him to a) back up his data and b) not keep 2GB of *crap* in his inbox, not sure if it will help all that much) Theresa -- Central West End Linux Users Group (via Google Groups) Main page: http://www.cwelug.org To post: cwelug@googlegroups.com To subscribe: cwelug-subscr...@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe: cwelug-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com More options: http://groups.google.com/group/cwelug -- Central West End Linux Users Group (via Google Groups) Main page: http://www.cwelug.org To post: cwelug@googlegroups.com To subscribe: cwelug-subscr...@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe: cwelug-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com More options: http://groups.google.com/group/cwelug
Re: [cwelug] Ubuntu 8.04 puzzler
On Wed, Nov 25, 2009 at 10:13 PM, Theresa Kehoe t...@cablemo.net wrote: So Robert, if you're reading this thread, and if you're bored, how *would* one go about writing a simple cron script to run once-daily, to check the file size of every file in ~/.evolution/mail/local/ and give the user a warning if any file is larger than 1.5GB? Yup, reading thread. Nope, not bored, just need a break from other stuff. Cron job: $ crontab -l SHELL=/bin/bash # field allowed values # - -- # /--- minute 0-59 # | /- hour 0-23 # | | /--- day of month 1-31 # | | | /- month 1-12 (or names, see below) # | | | | /--- day of week0-7 (0 or 7 is Sun, or use names) # | | | | | * * * * * date /tmp/date.log Find files that exceed 1.5 GB in size: $ find /home/rwcitek/.evolution/mail/local/ -size +1500M -ls | head -1 | grep -q . echo yes The question is, how do you want to be warned? Regards, - Robert -- Central West End Linux Users Group (via Google Groups) Main page: http://www.cwelug.org To post: cwelug@googlegroups.com To subscribe: cwelug-subscr...@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe: cwelug-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com More options: http://groups.google.com/group/cwelug
Re: [cwelug] Ubuntu 8.04 puzzler
On Wed, 2009-11-25 at 23:28 -0500, Robert Citek wrote: On Wed, Nov 25, 2009 at 10:13 PM, Theresa Kehoe t...@cablemo.net wrote: So Robert, if you're reading this thread, and if you're bored, how *would* one go about writing a simple cron script to run once-daily, to check the file size of every file in ~/.evolution/mail/local/ and give the user a warning if any file is larger than 1.5GB? Yup, reading thread. Nope, not bored, just need a break from other stuff. Cron job: $ crontab -l SHELL=/bin/bash # field allowed values # - -- # /--- minute 0-59 # | /- hour 0-23 # | | /--- day of month 1-31 # | | | /- month 1-12 (or names, see below) # | | | | /--- day of week0-7 (0 or 7 is Sun, or use names) # | | | | | * * * * * date /tmp/date.log Find files that exceed 1.5 GB in size: $ find /home/rwcitek/.evolution/mail/local/ -size +1500M -ls | head -1 | grep -q . echo yes The question is, how do you want to be warned? Not by email :) If I'm willing to go through some hoops, I can sudo apt-get install linpopup, tweak the system to start it up at login, take your script's output (as a .txt file), and: cat output.txt | smbclient -M shiny So long as I'm willing to always have linpopup minimized. Otherwise, if it's not running, it will store the messages but not display them. I can't assume there will be a terminal, so sending a message that way won't work, either. What would you suggest? I haven't really found any easy way to do this. Theresa -- Central West End Linux Users Group (via Google Groups) Main page: http://www.cwelug.org To post: cwelug@googlegroups.com To subscribe: cwelug-subscr...@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe: cwelug-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com More options: http://groups.google.com/group/cwelug
