Re: Latest setup.exe not code-signed?
Greetings, Kal Sze! > It looks like the new setup-x86_64.exe is not code-signed? Is that on > purpose? IIRC, the previous versions were code-signed. No. > Do we now only > rely on the .sig signature file to verify it? Been like that all the time. -- With best regards, Andrey Repin Thursday, December 15, 2016 11:56:57 Sorry for my terrible english... -- Problem reports: http://cygwin.com/problems.html FAQ: http://cygwin.com/faq/ Documentation: http://cygwin.com/docs.html Unsubscribe info: http://cygwin.com/ml/#unsubscribe-simple
Re: Latest setup.exe not code-signed?
Hello, On Thu, Dec 15, 2016 at 2:58 AM, Kal Szewrote: > Hello, > > It looks like the new setup-x86_64.exe is not code-signed? Is that on > purpose? IIRC, the previous versions were code-signed. Do we now only > rely on the .sig signature file to verify it? It was never code signed and the reasons for this has been discussed before. You can search the list for the reasons. Regards, ismail -- Problem reports: http://cygwin.com/problems.html FAQ: http://cygwin.com/faq/ Documentation: http://cygwin.com/docs.html Unsubscribe info: http://cygwin.com/ml/#unsubscribe-simple
Latest setup.exe not code-signed?
Hello, It looks like the new setup-x86_64.exe is not code-signed? Is that on purpose? IIRC, the previous versions were code-signed. Do we now only rely on the .sig signature file to verify it? Cheers, Kal -- Problem reports: http://cygwin.com/problems.html FAQ: http://cygwin.com/faq/ Documentation: http://cygwin.com/docs.html Unsubscribe info: http://cygwin.com/ml/#unsubscribe-simple
Re: [PATCH] Retry replacing in-use files in setup (Was Re: call for testing of latest setup.exe snapshot)
On Mon, 20 Nov 2006, Corinna Vinschen wrote: On Oct 29 22:50, Igor Peshansky wrote: Ping. It's been over a month, which means the archives won't automatically keep thread history, so here's the link to the original message (with the patch): http://cygwin.com/ml/cygwin-apps/2006-08/msg00073.html. Opinions? Can I apply this? Igor Why don't you just go ahead? Corinna Ok. Since there was no objection from Brian, the patch is applied. We should probably kick off a setup snapshot with this change. Igor -- http://cs.nyu.edu/~pechtcha/ |\ _,,,---,,_[EMAIL PROTECTED] | [EMAIL PROTECTED] ZZZzz /,`.-'`'-. ;-;;,_Igor Peshansky, Ph.D. (name changed!) |,4- ) )-,_. ,\ ( `'-' old name: Igor Pechtchanski '---''(_/--' `-'\_) fL a.k.a JaguaR-R-R-r-r-r-.-.-. Meow! Las! je suis sot... -Mais non, tu ne l'es pas, puisque tu t'en rends compte. But no -- you are no fool; you call yourself a fool, there's proof enough in that! -- Rostand, Cyrano de Bergerac
Re: [PATCH] Retry replacing in-use files in setup (Was Re: call for testing of latest setup.exe snapshot)
Ping. It's been over a month, which means the archives won't automatically keep thread history, so here's the link to the original message (with the patch): http://cygwin.com/ml/cygwin-apps/2006-08/msg00073.html. Opinions? Can I apply this? Igor On Wed, 16 Aug 2006, Igor Peshansky wrote: On Tue, 8 Aug 2006, Igor Peshansky wrote: On Sun, 6 Aug 2006, Brian Dessent wrote: [snip] http://cygwin.com/ml/cygwin-apps/2006-02/msg00099.html So, we have a couple of issues here. Firstly, the bug/unintended feature of -r causing the infinite retries until the file can be written (if I understand correctly.) Second the patch by Igor that adds a dialog when trying to replace an in-use file. Right. Here is my opinion on the matter: I like the dialog idea, but I don't think having Abort as an option is appropriate, as it will potentially cause a really screwed up install, plus it was left unimplemented in the patch submitted. So let's just have two options: Retry and Replace on Reboot. I know that this means we can't use the stock Abort/Retry/Ignore dialog but I think it's worth it for clarity. Agreed on all points. However, there is a technical issue here. Stock MessageBoxes come in many flavors -- there actually is a Retry/Cancel box. There is no Retry/Continue stock box, unfortunately. We can use the Retry/Cancel one, and perhaps play some games with the WNDPROC of the MessageBox class to make Cancel look like Replace on reboot (or Continue, which I like better -- we can explain in the MessageBox text that pressing Continue will require a reboot later), but I'm not sure it'll work, and it'll be ugly. Plus, I don't know that much about the WNDPROC, so it'll take me a bit of time to get something like this working. OTOH, I can change my patch to use the Retry/Cancel box today, and add the following to the text: Pressing 'Cancel' will cause setup to use Windows mechanisms for replacing in-use files. It will be necessary for you to reboot after setup completes. I know, the label Cancel is evocative of aborting the whole installation, but this functionality is so useful, IMO, that I, for one, would put up with a little annoyance of a wrong label. Changing the label in a way I've described above could be a later enhancement. Well, lo and behold, I overreacted. It turned out to be much easier than I anticipated, so attached is the patch with the Retry/Continue message box. http://cygwin.com/ml/cygwin-apps/2006-01/msg00204.html [snip] However, there was another issue in that thread (the inline patch). It seems that applying that will cause the code to be simpler, but I'm afraid there's some little issue I'm missing. I still have that one in my private sandbox, and had it in my running copy of setup for a while with no observed problems. Any opinions? If we can finish off the Retry/Replace file-in-use thing and assuming there are no reports of new issues with this snapshot then I think we can push out a release. Sounds good. If people are fine with the Retry/Cancel box, I can have a new patch by the end of this week. So my weeks end on Wednesdays... :-) Since this change involved indenting an 80-line chunk of code, I'm also attaching a whitespace-indifferent patch for ease of reviewing. ChangeLog is below. Igor == 2006-08-16 Igor Peshansky [EMAIL PROTECTED] * install.cc (Installer::installOne): If file is in use, ask the user to stop processes and retry. (MB_RETRYCONTINUE, IDCONTINUE): New macros. (hMsgBoxHook): New static field. (CBTProc): New window hook function. (_custom_MessageBox): New function. * CHANGES: Update with the above. -- http://cs.nyu.edu/~pechtcha/ |\ _,,,---,,_[EMAIL PROTECTED] | [EMAIL PROTECTED] ZZZzz /,`.-'`'-. ;-;;,_Igor Peshansky, Ph.D. (name changed!) |,4- ) )-,_. ,\ ( `'-' old name: Igor Pechtchanski '---''(_/--' `-'\_) fL a.k.a JaguaR-R-R-r-r-r-.-.-. Meow! Las! je suis sot... -Mais non, tu ne l'es pas, puisque tu t'en rends compte. But no -- you are no fool; you call yourself a fool, there's proof enough in that! -- Rostand, Cyrano de Bergerac
Re: call for testing of latest setup.exe snapshot
On Tue, 8 Aug 2006, Igor Peshansky wrote: On Sun, 6 Aug 2006, Brian Dessent wrote: [snip] http://cygwin.com/ml/cygwin-apps/2006-02/msg00099.html So, we have a couple of issues here. Firstly, the bug/unintended feature of -r causing the infinite retries until the file can be written (if I understand correctly.) Second the patch by Igor that adds a dialog when trying to replace an in-use file. Right. Here is my opinion on the matter: I like the dialog idea, but I don't think having Abort as an option is appropriate, as it will potentially cause a really screwed up install, plus it was left unimplemented in the patch submitted. So let's just have two options: Retry and Replace on Reboot. I know that this means we can't use the stock Abort/Retry/Ignore dialog but I think it's worth it for clarity. Agreed on all points. However, there is a technical issue here. Stock MessageBoxes come in many flavors -- there actually is a Retry/Cancel box. There is no Retry/Continue stock box, unfortunately. We can use the Retry/Cancel one, and perhaps play some games with the WNDPROC of the MessageBox class to make Cancel look like Replace on reboot (or Continue, which I like better -- we can explain in the MessageBox text that pressing Continue will require a reboot later), but I'm not sure it'll work, and it'll be ugly. Plus, I don't know that much about the WNDPROC, so it'll take me a bit of time to get something like this working. OTOH, I can change my patch to use the Retry/Cancel box today, and add the following to the text: Pressing 'Cancel' will cause setup to use Windows mechanisms for replacing in-use files. It will be necessary for you to reboot after setup completes. I know, the label Cancel is evocative of aborting the whole installation, but this functionality is so useful, IMO, that I, for one, would put up with a little annoyance of a wrong label. Changing the label in a way I've described above could be a later enhancement. Well, lo and behold, I overreacted. It turned out to be much easier than I anticipated, so attached is the patch with the Retry/Continue message box. http://cygwin.com/ml/cygwin-apps/2006-01/msg00204.html [snip] However, there was another issue in that thread (the inline patch). It seems that applying that will cause the code to be simpler, but I'm afraid there's some little issue I'm missing. I still have that one in my private sandbox, and had it in my running copy of setup for a while with no observed problems. Any opinions? If we can finish off the Retry/Replace file-in-use thing and assuming there are no reports of new issues with this snapshot then I think we can push out a release. Sounds good. If people are fine with the Retry/Cancel box, I can have a new patch by the end of this week. So my weeks end on Wednesdays... :-) Since this change involved indenting an 80-line chunk of code, I'm also attaching a whitespace-indifferent patch for ease of reviewing. ChangeLog is below. Igor == 2006-08-16 Igor Peshansky [EMAIL PROTECTED] * install.cc (Installer::installOne): If file is in use, ask the user to stop processes and retry. (MB_RETRYCONTINUE, IDCONTINUE): New macros. (hMsgBoxHook): New static field. (CBTProc): New window hook function. (_custom_MessageBox): New function. * CHANGES: Update with the above. -- http://cs.nyu.edu/~pechtcha/ |\ _,,,---,,_[EMAIL PROTECTED] | [EMAIL PROTECTED] ZZZzz /,`.-'`'-. ;-;;,_Igor Peshansky, Ph.D. (name changed!) |,4- ) )-,_. ,\ ( `'-' old name: Igor Pechtchanski '---''(_/--' `-'\_) fL a.k.a JaguaR-R-R-r-r-r-.-.-. Meow! Las! je suis sot... -Mais non, tu ne l'es pas, puisque tu t'en rends compte. But no -- you are no fool; you call yourself a fool, there's proof enough in that! -- Rostand, Cyrano de BergeracIndex: CHANGES === RCS file: /cvs/cygwin-apps/setup/CHANGES,v retrieving revision 1.13 diff -u -p -r1.13 CHANGES --- CHANGES 13 Jun 2006 14:00:23 - 1.13 +++ CHANGES 16 Aug 2006 03:56:05 - @@ -3,6 +3,8 @@ Note: For easier maintenance try to keep Version 2.548 (HEAD) + - Allow interactively retrying to replace open files. + - Fix unreadable chooser page due to bad background colour problem. - Make categories named with an initial . default to expanded display. Index: install.cc === RCS file: /cvs/cygwin-apps/setup/install.cc,v retrieving revision 2.78 diff -u -p -r2.78 install.cc --- install.cc 16 Apr 2006 15:37:49 - 2.78 +++ install.cc 16 Aug 2006 03:56:06 - @@ -178,6 +178,44 @@ Installer::replaceOnRebootSucceeded (con
Re: call for testing of latest setup.exe snapshot
Peter D. Stout schrieb: I was testing the snapshot this morning and noticed a couple of minor issues. First, if the location of the Cygwin files changes on a mirror, then setup lists the mirror twice in the chooser and reports an error that the selected mirror has been removed when you click next. For example, the URL for mirrors.kernel.org has changed from ftp://mirrors.kernel.org/sources.redhat.com/cygwin to ftp://mirrors.kernel.org/sourceware/cygwin. The error message makes sense when you track things down in /var/log/setup.log, but it is confusing when you are just looking at what is displayed. I had a similar symptom. I switched from Install from Internet to Install from Local Directory, and the package list showed the right packages, but the wrong version numbers, either the version numbers from the previous downloaded setup.ini or from the locally installed packages. Not from my updated local one. The second attempt with local install showed the correct versions. My problem was probably just a read-only /etc/setup/last-cache. Wrong ACL. 2006/08/08 21:55:28 io_stream_cygfile: fopen(/etc/setup/last-cache) failed 13 Permission denied Warning, the default trust level for package does not meet this specification libpgtypes2 Hmm, that's me. This setup.hint just misses the curr: as in most new postgresql hints. Strange. -- Reini
Re: call for testing of latest setup.exe snapshot
It worked fine for me (except as all previous versions it wants to reinstall source only gcc-testsuite when I select install). - Alexey. Brian Dessent wrote: I've just uploaded http://cygwin.com/setup/snapshots/setup-2.551.exe. If you had experienced any problems with previous versions please try this one and report if it solves your issue or not. ... Brian -- Alexey N. Solofnenko http://trelony.cjb.net/ Pleasant Hill, CA (GMT-8 usually) smime.p7s Description: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature
Re: call for testing of latest setup.exe snapshot
On Sun, 6 Aug 2006, Brian Dessent wrote: I've just uploaded http://cygwin.com/setup/snapshots/setup-2.551.exe. Hi, Brian. I meant to reply sooner -- sorry for the delay. Thanks a lot for doing this! If you had experienced any problems with previous versions please try this one and report if it solves your issue or not. The above is CVS HEAD as of this moment. I committed several outstanding patches (sorry for the huge delay Igor!) and have tried to round up all or most of the remaining outstanding patches/reported problems below. I wanted to put everything in one thread instead of continuing a bunch of individual threads. Sorry if this breaks up the discussion too much. (Of course there were many more things in the feature request pile but that is another matter.) No problem with the delay -- as long as they got in... :-) FWIW, I have commit rights in the cygwin-apps repository, so in the future you can just give me the go-ahead to commit and let me deal with the merge conflicts. http://www.cygwin.com/ml/cygwin/2006-05/msg00594.html Null dereference in new_cstr_char_array. This was already fixed in CVS on 2006-03-14. http://cygwin.com/ml/cygwin-apps/2006-02/msg00124.html Stray debugging messagebox removed. http://cygwin.com/ml/cygwin-apps/2006-02/msg00099.html So, we have a couple of issues here. Firstly, the bug/unintended feature of -r causing the infinite retries until the file can be written (if I understand correctly.) Second the patch by Igor that adds a dialog when trying to replace an in-use file. Right. Here is my opinion on the matter: I like the dialog idea, but I don't think having Abort as an option is appropriate, as it will potentially cause a really screwed up install, plus it was left unimplemented in the patch submitted. So let's just have two options: Retry and Replace on Reboot. I know that this means we can't use the stock Abort/Retry/Ignore dialog but I think it's worth it for clarity. Agreed on all points. However, there is a technical issue here. Stock MessageBoxes come in many flavors -- there actually is a Retry/Cancel box. There is no Retry/Continue stock box, unfortunately. We can use the Retry/Cancel one, and perhaps play some games with the WNDPROC of the MessageBox class to make Cancel look like Replace on reboot (or Continue, which I like better -- we can explain in the MessageBox text that pressing Continue will require a reboot later), but I'm not sure it'll work, and it'll be ugly. Plus, I don't know that much about the WNDPROC, so it'll take me a bit of time to get something like this working. OTOH, I can change my patch to use the Retry/Cancel box today, and add the following to the text: Pressing 'Cancel' will cause setup to use Windows mechanisms for replacing in-use files. It will be necessary for you to reboot after setup completes. I know, the label Cancel is evocative of aborting the whole installation, but this functionality is so useful, IMO, that I, for one, would put up with a little annoyance of a wrong label. Changing the label in a way I've described above could be a later enhancement. After we have that, we should fix the tar extraction bug with -r. Absolutely. http://www.cygwin.com/ml/cygwin-apps/2006-01/msg00190.html Parsing of installed.db. I don't really see that this matters a whole lot but it's certainly silly to have setup trying to read fields that don't exist so I applied this (with minor updates to account for std::string changes.) Well, the intention was to reuse that third field for something else (package version locking, IIRC) once setup no longer cares about the value. http://cygwin.com/ml/cygwin-apps/2006-01/msg00204.html Package validation exception. As I said in the thread, I dislike the idea of pretending that invalid files don't exist without some kind of error, and the specific case I was thinking of was a user who downloads and installs in two separate steps. If a file obtained during the download step turns out to be corrupt/wrong size, then during install from local directory it will simply be silently omitted from the package list, which might be rather confusing if it's something important. Even if the automatic dependency checking page flags a problem it is still not something the user can fix -- it will say select this package! but that package does not exist to be selected and cannot be installed anyway. Well, we could pop up an informational message box if setup is not in unattended mode (or write to the log if it is)... Still, since I nor anyone else has come up with anything better, and because an unhandled exception is pretty ghastly, I've applied Igor's patch. In the future I would like to augment this with a warning of some kind if the user is in Install from local directory mode, but I guess that will have to wait. Right. However, there was another issue in
Re: call for testing of latest setup.exe snapshot
On Sun, 06 Aug 2006 19:00:39 -0700, Brian Dessent wrote: I've just uploaded http://cygwin.com/setup/snapshots/setup-2.551.exe. Brian, I was testing the snapshot this morning and noticed a couple of minor issues. First, if the location of the Cygwin files changes on a mirror, then setup lists the mirror twice in the chooser and reports an error that the selected mirror has been removed when you click next. For example, the URL for mirrors.kernel.org has changed from ftp://mirrors.kernel.org/sources.redhat.com/cygwin to ftp://mirrors.kernel.org/sourceware/cygwin. The error message makes sense when you track things down in /var/log/setup.log, but it is confusing when you are just looking at what is displayed. Second, looking through /var/log/setup.log I noticed a slightly garbled error message: Warning, the default trust level for package does not meet this specification libpgtypes2 The message comes from processOneDependency in package_version.cc. Is this indicative of a logic error in setup or a problem with some package? -Peter P.S. Any idea why if I build setup from the source tarball, the executable will not start in the directory where it built, but runs fine if I move it to another directory? Bash tells me permission denied, even though the file is executable, and reports an exit code of 126. cygwin-setup.log Description: Binary data
call for testing of latest setup.exe snapshot
I've just uploaded http://cygwin.com/setup/snapshots/setup-2.551.exe. If you had experienced any problems with previous versions please try this one and report if it solves your issue or not. The above is CVS HEAD as of this moment. I committed several outstanding patches (sorry for the huge delay Igor!) and have tried to round up all or most of the remaining outstanding patches/reported problems below. I wanted to put everything in one thread instead of continuing a bunch of individual threads. Sorry if this breaks up the discussion too much. (Of course there were many more things in the feature request pile but that is another matter.) http://www.cygwin.com/ml/cygwin/2006-05/msg00594.html Null dereference in new_cstr_char_array. This was already fixed in CVS on 2006-03-14. http://cygwin.com/ml/cygwin-apps/2006-02/msg00124.html Stray debugging messagebox removed. http://cygwin.com/ml/cygwin-apps/2006-02/msg00099.html So, we have a couple of issues here. Firstly, the bug/unintended feature of -r causing the infinite retries until the file can be written (if I understand correctly.) Second the patch by Igor that adds a dialog when trying to replace an in-use file. Here is my opinion on the matter: I like the dialog idea, but I don't think having Abort as an option is appropriate, as it will potentially cause a really screwed up install, plus it was left unimplemented in the patch submitted. So let's just have two options: Retry and Replace on Reboot. I know that this means we can't use the stock Abort/Retry/Ignore dialog but I think it's worth it for clarity. After we have that, we should fix the tar extraction bug with -r. http://www.cygwin.com/ml/cygwin-apps/2006-01/msg00190.html Parsing of installed.db. I don't really see that this matters a whole lot but it's certainly silly to have setup trying to read fields that don't exist so I applied this (with minor updates to account for std::string changes.) http://cygwin.com/ml/cygwin-apps/2006-01/msg00204.html Package validation exception. As I said in the thread, I dislike the idea of pretending that invalid files don't exist without some kind of error, and the specific case I was thinking of was a user who downloads and installs in two separate steps. If a file obtained during the download step turns out to be corrupt/wrong size, then during install from local directory it will simply be silently omitted from the package list, which might be rather confusing if it's something important. Even if the automatic dependency checking page flags a problem it is still not something the user can fix -- it will say select this package! but that package does not exist to be selected and cannot be installed anyway. Still, since I nor anyone else has come up with anything better, and because an unhandled exception is pretty ghastly, I've applied Igor's patch. In the future I would like to augment this with a warning of some kind if the user is in Install from local directory mode, but I guess that will have to wait. http://www.cygwin.com/ml/cygwin-apps/2006-03/msg00070.html -p option to specify packages to add. I think I must have missed this patch the first time it was posted but I reviewed it here: http://www.cygwin.com/ml/cygwin-apps/2006-07/msg8.html If the submitter can fix the minor points raised I think it's fine for inclusion. I don't have a URL Background color issues. These should have been fixed for some time, but a newer snapshot was never made. Bottom line: If we can finish off the Retry/Replace file-in-use thing and assuming there are no reports of new issues with this snapshot then I think we can push out a release. Brian
Latest setup.exe issue
Hi, I found a minor problem with latest setup.exe I downloaded today in the morning. It doesn't care about colors being set as default by system and in the TreeView when you select particular parts of cygwin to be installed it explicitly sets background color of nodes to white but doesn't set foreground, which in my case is light-gray so I'm nearly unable to read the info about packages. See the screenshot: http://www.ceskehry.cz/cygwin.png And the question is. Is there possibility it'll be fixed or can I download source code of setup.exe somewhere so I can fix it? Best regards, Rezna -- Unsubscribe info: http://cygwin.com/ml/#unsubscribe-simple Problem reports: http://cygwin.com/problems.html Documentation: http://cygwin.com/docs.html FAQ: http://cygwin.com/faq/
Re: Latest setup.exe issue
Milan Reznicek wrote: I found a minor problem with latest setup.exe I downloaded today in the morning. It doesn't care about colors being set as default by This has been fixed for some time. The fix is in the current setup.exe snapshot but the last release version was made before the fix. http://cygwin.com/ml/cygwin-apps/2005-09/msg00162.html http://cygwin.com/setup/snapshots/ Brian -- Unsubscribe info: http://cygwin.com/ml/#unsubscribe-simple Problem reports: http://cygwin.com/problems.html Documentation: http://cygwin.com/docs.html FAQ: http://cygwin.com/faq/
RE: Latest setup.exe issue
Thanks, Milan Řezníček -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Brian Dessent Sent: Sunday, December 25, 2005 12:53 PM To: cygwin@cygwin.com Subject: Re: Latest setup.exe issue Milan Reznicek wrote: I found a minor problem with latest setup.exe I downloaded today in the morning. It doesn't care about colors being set as default by This has been fixed for some time. The fix is in the current setup.exe snapshot but the last release version was made before the fix. http://cygwin.com/ml/cygwin-apps/2005-09/msg00162.html http://cygwin.com/setup/snapshots/ Brian -- Unsubscribe info: http://cygwin.com/ml/#unsubscribe-simple Problem reports: http://cygwin.com/problems.html Documentation: http://cygwin.com/docs.html FAQ: http://cygwin.com/faq/ -- Unsubscribe info: http://cygwin.com/ml/#unsubscribe-simple Problem reports: http://cygwin.com/problems.html Documentation: http://cygwin.com/docs.html FAQ: http://cygwin.com/faq/
Re: Latest setup.exe
On Mon, 2002-12-09 at 03:56, Joseph Davida wrote: I got around the problem by removing the old C:\cygwin (actually by renaming it to cygwin.old) and restarting the setup.exe. So it appears current setup.exe will cause this problem on Win2K if it installs on top of an exsisting installation. Works for me. I'll WAG that your 'local package dir' is c:\cygwin. Thats not a supported configuration. Rob -- --- GPG key available at: http://users.bigpond.net.au/robertc/keys.txt. --- signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
Re: Latest setup.exe
Nop! package dir is c:\downloads\cygwin\packages. Joe --- Robert Collins [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mon, 2002-12-09 at 03:56, Joseph Davida wrote: I got around the problem by removing the old C:\cygwin (actually by renaming it to cygwin.old) and restarting the setup.exe. So it appears current setup.exe will cause this problem on Win2K if it installs on top of an exsisting installation. Works for me. I'll WAG that your 'local package dir' is c:\cygwin. Thats not a supported configuration. Rob -- --- GPG key available at: http://users.bigpond.net.au/robertc/keys.txt. --- ATTACHMENT part 2 application/pgp-signature name=signature.asc __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com -- Unsubscribe info: http://cygwin.com/ml/#unsubscribe-simple Bug reporting: http://cygwin.com/bugs.html Documentation: http://cygwin.com/docs.html FAQ: http://cygwin.com/faq/
Re: Latest setup.exe
I got around the problem by removing the old C:\cygwin (actually by renaming it to cygwin.old) and restarting the setup.exe. So it appears current setup.exe will cause this problem on Win2K if it installs on top of an exsisting installation. Cheers, Joe Joseph Davida wrote: I tried the beta version Max suggested and it also exhibits the same behaviour on my win2k laptop; i.e. sucks up huge mem (depletes VM), and yet after more than 1 hour of running, it still says 1% of base-files 1.1-1 is installed. The total progress meter shows only about a sliver of progress :) Am running win2K with latest updates (service pack 3). Also, I have been updating my cygwin installation for over a year now, and this is the first time I have encountered this problem. Joe Max Bowsher wrote: Please keep replies on list! Joseph I. Davida [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It appears that this setup.exe is depleting the VM pool. There is either a bad memory leak problem, or there is a boundless recursion in the calls. I suspect the it is a memory leak problem. The machine has 512M sdram and a 40 gig HD, of which a max of 2048M is used for paging. Yet the setup.exe alone eats up all the VM pool!. Is there an older version of it that I can try? Try the latest beta at http://cygwin.com/setup-snapshots/ Max. __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com -- Unsubscribe info: http://cygwin.com/ml/#unsubscribe-simple Bug reporting: http://cygwin.com/bugs.html Documentation: http://cygwin.com/docs.html FAQ: http://cygwin.com/faq/
Re: Latest setup.exe
Please keep replies on list! Joseph I. Davida [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It appears that this setup.exe is depleting the VM pool. There is either a bad memory leak problem, or there is a boundless recursion in the calls. I suspect the it is a memory leak problem. The machine has 512M sdram and a 40 gig HD, of which a max of 2048M is used for paging. Yet the setup.exe alone eats up all the VM pool!. Is there an older version of it that I can try? Try the latest beta at http://cygwin.com/setup-snapshots/ Max. -- Unsubscribe info: http://cygwin.com/ml/#unsubscribe-simple Bug reporting: http://cygwin.com/bugs.html Documentation: http://cygwin.com/docs.html FAQ: http://cygwin.com/faq/
Re: Latest setup.exe
I tried the beta version Max suggested and it also exhibits the same behaviour on my win2k laptop; i.e. sucks up huge mem (depletes VM), and yet after more than 1 hour of running, it still says 1% of base-files 1.1-1 is installed. The total progress meter shows only about a sliver of progress :) Am running win2K with latest updates (service pack 3). Also, I have been updating my cygwin installation for over a year now, and this is the first time I have encountered this problem. Joe Max Bowsher wrote: Please keep replies on list! Joseph I. Davida [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It appears that this setup.exe is depleting the VM pool. There is either a bad memory leak problem, or there is a boundless recursion in the calls. I suspect the it is a memory leak problem. The machine has 512M sdram and a 40 gig HD, of which a max of 2048M is used for paging. Yet the setup.exe alone eats up all the VM pool!. Is there an older version of it that I can try? Try the latest beta at http://cygwin.com/setup-snapshots/ Max. -- Unsubscribe info: http://cygwin.com/ml/#unsubscribe-simple Bug reporting: http://cygwin.com/bugs.html Documentation: http://cygwin.com/docs.html FAQ: http://cygwin.com/faq/
Latest setup.exe
The latest setup.exe dies with the following error banner titled: Microsoft Visual C++ Runtime Error Runtime Error Program: C:\download\cygwin\setup.exe Abnormal Program termination This happens after about 1% of the packages have been installed. Also, there appears to be a huge allocation of mem that Win2K increased virtual space to 2 gig and the machine slows down so much as to be almost uselesss during the setup! Regards, Joe -- Unsubscribe info: http://cygwin.com/ml/#unsubscribe-simple Bug reporting: http://cygwin.com/bugs.html Documentation: http://cygwin.com/docs.html FAQ: http://cygwin.com/faq/
Re: Latest setup.exe
Joseph I. Davida [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The latest setup.exe dies with the following Latest release (2.249.2.5) or latest beta (2.303) ? error banner titled: Microsoft Visual C++ Runtime Error Runtime Error Program: C:\download\cygwin\setup.exe Abnormal Program termination This happens after about 1% of the packages have been installed. Also, there appears to be a huge allocation of mem that Win2K increased virtual space to 2 gig and the machine slows down so much as to be almost uselesss during the setup! Max. -- Unsubscribe info: http://cygwin.com/ml/#unsubscribe-simple Bug reporting: http://cygwin.com/bugs.html Documentation: http://cygwin.com/docs.html FAQ: http://cygwin.com/faq/
RE: cannot install from local disk with latest setup.exe-2.249.2.2
-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Dr. Volker Zell Sent: Thursday, 13 June 2002 5:45 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: cannot install from local disk with latest setup.exe-2.249.2.2 Hi I usually install packages in two steps. First I download them and then I install from local disk. The latter does not work for me with setup.exe-2.249.2.2. setup just keeps my disk spinning when it comes to the Installing... screen. I cannot even press the Cancel button, it's not reacting anymore. Nothing is written to the logfiles. I have to use the taskvier to kill setup. My setup is NT4-SP5 The latest working setup in my scenario was setup.exe-2.218.2.9 Ciao Volker I'll bet that you have a large amount of files in your cache dir. Setup is validating the MD5 for all those files. Rob
RE: cannot install from local disk with latest setup.exe-2.249.2.2
-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Dr. Volker Zell Sent: Thursday, 13 June 2002 5:45 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: cannot install from local disk with latest setup.exe-2.249.2.2 Hi I usually install packages in two steps. First I download them and then I install from local disk. The latter does not work for me with setup.exe-2.249.2.2. setup just keeps my disk spinning when it comes to the Installing... screen. I just re-read this. Can you run it under a debugger? Even though there aren't symbols, you'll get debugging output. Thanks, Rob
RE: cannot install from local disk with latest setup.exe-2.249.2.2
-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Dr. Volker Zell Sent: Thursday, 13 June 2002 10:02 PM Yap, false alarm, I tried again and after a couple of minutes I was presented with the package dialog. Maybe I need a faster computer :-) Wasn't this feature of MD5 validation in setup-2.218.2.9.exe ? No. 2.218.2.9 understood the MD5 tags, it didn't use them at all. Rob
Latest Setup.exe Fails (Win2k)
Hi there. The latest setup.exe fails on my system: 100% CPU indefinetly and all the screen says is something like 'this space intentionally blank.' I've tried 10 different mirrors, it downloads something from them Itelling me if it can't or if the setup.ini is out of date in relation to the exe). This is the latest seup.exe from cygwin.com. My system: Windows 2000 Service pack 2, all MS updates installed. AMD Athalon 1400 mhz WinForce GeForce3 260,000 kb RAM Any advice appreciated. lee Lee Goddard perl -e while(1){print rand0.5 ? chr 47 : chr 92} -- Unsubscribe info: http://cygwin.com/ml/#unsubscribe-simple Bug reporting: http://cygwin.com/bugs.html Documentation: http://cygwin.com/docs.html FAQ: http://cygwin.com/faq/
RE: Latest Setup.exe Fails (Win2k)
Sorry - forgot the obvious: it is the latest version at the time of writing, which is 2.218.2.8. Hi there. The latest setup.exe fails on my system: 100% CPU indefinetly and all the screen says is something like 'this space intentionally blank.' I've tried 10 different mirrors, it downloads something from them Itelling me if it can't or if the setup.ini is out of date in relation to the exe). This is the latest seup.exe from cygwin.com. My system: Windows 2000 Service pack 2, all MS updates installed. AMD Athalon 1400 mhz WinForce GeForce3 260,000 kb RAM Any advice appreciated. lee Lee Goddard perl -e while(1){print rand0.5 ? chr 47 : chr 92} -- Unsubscribe info: http://cygwin.com/ml/#unsubscribe-simple Bug reporting: http://cygwin.com/bugs.html Documentation: http://cygwin.com/docs.html FAQ: http://cygwin.com/faq/ Lee Goddard perl -e while(1){print rand0.5 ? chr 47 : chr 92} -- Unsubscribe info: http://cygwin.com/ml/#unsubscribe-simple Bug reporting: http://cygwin.com/bugs.html Documentation: http://cygwin.com/docs.html FAQ: http://cygwin.com/faq/
Re[2]: Latest Setup.exe Fails (Win2k)
Hello Lee, 1. Which is the mirror that you were using when setup.exe hung ? From your description of the problem its not quite clear. 2. Are you doing install from internet or from local directory ? Or maybe it was just a download only run ? 3. Please supply the listing of your download directory contents and also of the subdirectory inside your download dir, which has the name of the mirror you were trying to use. Do not do a recursive listing i.e. use dir and not dir /s. Wednesday, May 15, 2002, 1:29:10 PM, you wrote: LG Sorry - forgot the obvious: it is the latest version at the LG time of writing, which is 2.218.2.8. LG Hi there. The latest setup.exe fails on my system: 100% CPU indefinetly and all the screen says is something like 'this space intentionally blank.' I've tried 10 different mirrors, it downloads something from them Itelling me if it can't or if the setup.ini is out of date in relation to the exe). This is the latest seup.exe from cygwin.com. -- Unsubscribe info: http://cygwin.com/ml/#unsubscribe-simple Bug reporting: http://cygwin.com/bugs.html Documentation: http://cygwin.com/docs.html FAQ: http://cygwin.com/faq/
Re[2]: Latest Setup.exe Fails (Win2k)
At 14:32 15/05/2002 +0200, Pavel Tsekov wrote: Hello Lee, 1. Which is the mirror that you were using when setup.exe hung ? From your description of the problem its not quite clear. I've tried several mirrors, one at a time. 2. Are you doing install from internet or from local directory ? Or maybe it was just a download only run ? From the Internet. 3. Please supply the listing of your download directory contents and also of the subdirectory inside your download dir, which has the name of the mirror you were trying to use. Do not do a recursive listing i.e. use dir and not dir /s. In two cases, my package dirs contain just setup.ini. In one case, I have etc, which contains three files: last-cache, timestamp, and last-mirror. The latter contains just the URI: ftp://ftp.mirror.ac.uk/sites/sources.redhat.com/pub/cygwin Another case is the same, with the URI being: ftp://ftp.ccp14.dl.ac.uk/ccp14/ftp-mirror/programming/cygwin/pub/cygwin Another case: ftp://ftp.nas.nasa.gov/mirrors/cygwin.com/pub/cygwin In every case, the systsem hangs with the dialogue box saying This space intentionally blank (or such) and the window is shown as Not responding in Windows' task manager, with 100% use of a 1400 mhz CPU. Thanks - HTH lee Wednesday, May 15, 2002, 1:29:10 PM, you wrote: LG Sorry - forgot the obvious: it is the latest version at the LG time of writing, which is 2.218.2.8. LG Hi there. The latest setup.exe fails on my system: 100% CPU indefinetly and all the screen says is something like 'this space intentionally blank.' I've tried 10 different mirrors, it downloads something from them Itelling me if it can't or if the setup.ini is out of date in relation to the exe). This is the latest seup.exe from cygwin.com. Lee Goddard perl -e while(1){print rand0.5 ? chr 47 : chr 92} -- Unsubscribe info: http://cygwin.com/ml/#unsubscribe-simple Bug reporting: http://cygwin.com/bugs.html Documentation: http://cygwin.com/docs.html FAQ: http://cygwin.com/faq/
Re: Latest Setup.exe Fails (Win2k)
On Wed, May 15, 2002 at 02:53:30PM +0200, Lee Goddard wrote: In every case, the systsem hangs with the dialogue box saying This space intentionally blank (or such) and the window is shown as Not responding in Windows' task manager, with 100% use of a 1400 mhz CPU. I hate to chime in with a me too but I saw this behavior once myself while debugging setup. I was quite excited that I could finally duplicate the problem but I couldn't break out the hung executable in the debugger and, after killing the process, I could never duplicate the problem again. These are very minor data points but I thought I'd share them. cgf -- Unsubscribe info: http://cygwin.com/ml/#unsubscribe-simple Bug reporting: http://cygwin.com/bugs.html Documentation: http://cygwin.com/docs.html FAQ: http://cygwin.com/faq/
Re[3]: Latest Setup.exe Fails (Win2k)
Hello Lee, Wednesday, May 15, 2002, 2:53:30 PM, you wrote: LG In two cases, my package dirs contain just setup.ini. LG In one case, I have etc, which contains three files: last-cache, LG timestamp, and last-mirror. The latter contains just the URI: LG ftp://ftp.mirror.ac.uk/sites/sources.redhat.com/pub/cygwin [snip] Do these contain any files ? -- Unsubscribe info: http://cygwin.com/ml/#unsubscribe-simple Bug reporting: http://cygwin.com/bugs.html Documentation: http://cygwin.com/docs.html FAQ: http://cygwin.com/faq/
Re[3]: Latest Setup.exe Fails (Win2k)
Well, I had deleted it; but in another case, I have this, going with WIn2k defaults: C:\cygwin\etc\setup\last-cache C:\cygwin\etc\setup\last-mirror C:\cygwin\etc\setup\timestamp C:\cygwin\var\log\setup.log C:\cygwin\var\log\setup.log.full I'm happy to send the logs if you wish. One note, in the latter log: ftp error ftp error get_url_to_membuf failed! Lee At 15:31 15/05/2002 +0200, Pavel Tsekov wrote: Hello Lee, Wednesday, May 15, 2002, 2:53:30 PM, you wrote: LG In two cases, my package dirs contain just setup.ini. LG In one case, I have etc, which contains three files: last-cache, LG timestamp, and last-mirror. The latter contains just the URI: LG ftp://ftp.mirror.ac.uk/sites/sources.redhat.com/pub/cygwin [snip] Do these contain any files ? Lee Goddard perl -e while(1){print rand0.5 ? chr 47 : chr 92} -- Unsubscribe info: http://cygwin.com/ml/#unsubscribe-simple Bug reporting: http://cygwin.com/bugs.html Documentation: http://cygwin.com/docs.html FAQ: http://cygwin.com/faq/
Re[4]: Latest Setup.exe Fails (Win2k)
Hello Lee, On the 4th setup page (screen) you are prompted for Local Package Directory. I am interested of the contents of the directory you entered on that screen and in any subdirectories of the above directory which loook like URLs. Wednesday, May 15, 2002, 3:55:32 PM, you wrote: LG Well, I had deleted it; but in another case, I have this, LG going with WIn2k defaults: [snip] LG I'm happy to send the logs if you wish. Yes - send them please. -- Unsubscribe info: http://cygwin.com/ml/#unsubscribe-simple Bug reporting: http://cygwin.com/bugs.html Documentation: http://cygwin.com/docs.html FAQ: http://cygwin.com/faq/
Re[4]: Latest Setup.exe Fails (Win2k)
At 16:20 15/05/2002 +0200, Pavel Tsekov wrote: Hello Lee, Hi On the 4th setup page (screen) you are prompted for Local Package Directory. I am interested of the contents of the directory you entered on that screen and in any subdirectories of the above directory which loook like URLs. Sorry - here it is (only have on instance left): Local package dir is packages. Contains one dir: ftp%3a%2f%2fftp.nas.nasa.gov%2fmirrors%2fcygwin.com%2fpub%2fcygwin Contains one file, setup.ini LG I'm happy to send the logs if you wish. Yes - send them please. Attached. Thanks for your help! Lee Lee Goddard perl -e while(1){print rand0.5?chr 47:chr 92} 2002/05/15 14:58:48 Starting cygwin install, version 2.218.2.8 2002/05/15 14:58:48 Current Directory: C:\Documents and Settings\Administrator\Desktop 2002/05/15 14:58:54 source: network install 2002/05/15 14:58:55 root: C:\cygwin binary system 2002/05/15 14:59:06 Selected local directory: C:\Documents and Settings\Administrator\Desktop 2002/05/15 14:59:06 net: Direct 2002/05/15 14:59:24 site: ftp://ftp.ntua.gr/pub/pc/cygwin 2002/05/15 14:59:32 mbox yesno: This setup.ini is older than the one you used last time you installed cygwin. Proceed anyway? 2002/05/15 14:59:36 Ending cygwin install 2002/05/15 14:59:52 Starting cygwin install, version 2.218.2.8 2002/05/15 14:59:52 Current Directory: C:\Documents and Settings\Administrator\Desktop 2002/05/15 14:59:54 source: network install 2002/05/15 14:59:55 root: C:\cygwin binary system 2002/05/15 14:59:56 Selected local directory: C:\Documents and Settings\Administrator\Desktop 2002/05/15 14:59:56 net: Direct 2002/05/15 15:00:07 site: ftp://ftp.sunet.se/pub/lang/cygwin 2002/05/15 15:00:49 Ending cygwin install 2002/05/15 15:00:50 Starting cygwin install, version 2.218.2.8 2002/05/15 15:00:50 Current Directory: C:\Documents and Settings\Administrator\Desktop 2002/05/15 15:00:52 source: network install 2002/05/15 15:00:53 root: C:\cygwin binary system 2002/05/15 15:00:53 Selected local directory: C:\Documents and Settings\Administrator\Desktop 2002/05/15 15:00:54 net: Direct 2002/05/15 15:02:37 site: ftp://ftp.tuke.sk/pub/cygwin 2002/05/15 15:02:47 mbox yesno: This setup.ini is older than the one you used last time you installed cygwin. Proceed anyway? 2002/05/15 15:02:51 Ending cygwin install 2002/05/15 15:03:38 Starting cygwin install, version 2.218.2.8 2002/05/15 15:03:38 Current Directory: C:\Documents and Settings\Administrator\Desktop 2002/05/15 15:03:41 source: network install 2002/05/15 15:03:41 root: C:\cygwin binary system 2002/05/15 15:03:42 Selected local directory: C:\Documents and Settings\Administrator\Desktop 2002/05/15 15:03:43 net: Direct 2002/05/15 15:05:34 site: ftp://gd.tuwien.ac.at/gnu/cygwin 2002/05/15 15:05:34 site: ftp://linux.sarang.net/mirror/development/compiler/cygwin 2002/05/15 15:05:34 site: ftp://ludique.u-bourgogne.fr/pub/mirror/cygwin 2002/05/15 15:05:34 site: ftp://mirror.aarnet.edu.au/pub/cygwin 2002/05/15 15:05:34 site: ftp://mirrors.rcn.net/mirrors/sources.redhat.com/cygwin 2002/05/15 15:05:34 site: ftp://planetmirror.com/pub/sourceware/cygwin 2002/05/15 15:05:34 site: ftp://ring.aist.go.jp/archives/pc/gnu-win32 2002/05/15 15:05:34 site: ftp://ring.asahi-net.or.jp/archives/pc/gnu-win32 2002/05/15 15:06:40 mbox note: Unable to get setup.ini from ftp://mirror.aarnet.edu.au/pub/cygwin 2002/05/15 15:07:31 Ending cygwin install 2002/05/15 15:03:38 Starting cygwin install, version 2.218.2.8 2002/05/15 15:03:38 Current Directory: C:\Documents and Settings\Administrator\Desktop 2002/05/15 15:03:41 source: network install 2002/05/15 15:03:41 root: C:\cygwin binary system 2002/05/15 15:03:42 Selected local directory: C:\Documents and Settings\Administrator\Desktop 2002/05/15 15:03:43 net: Direct get_url_to_membuf http://sources.redhat.com/cygwin/mirrors.lst 2002/05/15 15:05:34 site: ftp://gd.tuwien.ac.at/gnu/cygwin 2002/05/15 15:05:34 site: ftp://linux.sarang.net/mirror/development/compiler/cygwin 2002/05/15 15:05:34 site: ftp://ludique.u-bourgogne.fr/pub/mirror/cygwin 2002/05/15 15:05:34 site: ftp://mirror.aarnet.edu.au/pub/cygwin 2002/05/15 15:05:34 site: ftp://mirrors.rcn.net/mirrors/sources.redhat.com/cygwin 2002/05/15 15:05:34 site: ftp://planetmirror.com/pub/sourceware/cygwin 2002/05/15 15:05:34 site: ftp://ring.aist.go.jp/archives/pc/gnu-win32 2002/05/15 15:05:34 site: ftp://ring.asahi-net.or.jp/archives/pc/gnu-win32 get_url_to_membuf ftp://gd.tuwien.ac.at/gnu/cygwin/setup.ini ftp 220 gd.tuwien.ac.at NcFTPd Server (free educational license) ready. ftp 331 Guest login ok, send your complete e-mail address as password. ftp 230-You are user #879 of 1000 simultaneous users allowed. ftp 230- ftp 230- ftp 230-- G D S -- Welcome to Goodie Domain Service ftp 230-- D -- Vienna University of Technology, Austria ftp 230-- S -- Dept. of Information Technology Services ftp 230-=== ftp 230- ftp 230- What's in
Re: Latest Setup.exe Fails (Win2k)
Lee Goddard wrote: Sorry - forgot the obvious: it is the latest version at the time of writing, which is 2.218.2.8. Hi there. The latest setup.exe fails on my system: 100% CPU indefinetly and all the screen says is something like 'this space intentionally blank.' I've tried 10 different mirrors, it downloads something from them Itelling me if it can't or if the setup.ini is out of date in relation to the exe). This is the latest seup.exe from cygwin.com. I was perturbed by this, or something similar, but found that there was separate window open displaying the usual selection box. This window was buried underneath other windows lying around on my desktop and IIRC wasn't easy to switch to. HTH, Jonathan -- Unsubscribe info: http://cygwin.com/ml/#unsubscribe-simple Bug reporting: http://cygwin.com/bugs.html Documentation: http://cygwin.com/docs.html FAQ: http://cygwin.com/faq/
Re: has anyone tried latest setup.exe from cvs ?
- Original Message - From: Christopher Faylor [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, December 17, 2001 12:04 PM Subject: Re: has anyone tried latest setup.exe from cvs ? On Mon, Dec 17, 2001 at 10:52:11AM +1100, Robert Collins wrote: - Original Message - From: Gary R. Van Sickle [EMAIL PROTECTED] i.e., that have no version: lines in them (what is such an entry supposed to mean, or is this actually a upset bug?). The parser then never creates a Chris, do you consider version: to be mandatory for setup.ini files? setup.html doesn't specify (AFAICT) whether version: is optional or mandatory. If the decision hasn't been made, I'd prefer mandatory. It's optional for setup.exe, certainly. There are a few packages for which there is no version: info. I think I nuked one of them yesterday, though. Ah. I'll make setup.exe robust again - at the moment it dies if there is no version: entry for a package in setup.ini. Thanks, Rob
Re: has anyone tried latest setup.exe from cvs ?
On Mon, Dec 17, 2001 at 12:11:25PM +1100, Robert Collins wrote: - Original Message - This is an example that would kill setup.exe: @ ash sdesc: A Bourne Shell (/bin/sh) workalike category: Base Shells requires: cygwin install: latest/ash/ash-20011018-1.tar.bz2 33819 source: latest/ash/ash-20011018-1-src.tar.bz2 143186 It's not a valid example, is it? setup.ini doesn't look like this now. upset only does this for packages whose tar files have no versions, which is currently: diff, gperf, m4, I think. cgf
RE: has anyone tried latest setup.exe from cvs ?
Sort of. The problem though is that I'm nearing the completion of some pretty extensive changes to the GUI code, so if there's problems with that in the cvs stuff I might not even know about it. I did however run across a problem in the INI-parsing code that does prevent it from working. The problem is with entries in setup.ini that look like this: @ jbigkit sdesc: Lossless image compression library ldesc: JBIG is a highly effective lossless compression algorithm for bi-level images (one bit per pixel), which is particularly suitable for document pages. category: Graphics Libs requires: cygwin i.e., that have no version: lines in them (what is such an entry supposed to mean, or is this actually a upset bug?). No, it's a too aggreesive cleanup bug. Chris deleted the jbigkit packages from sourceware, and I haven't had a chance to re-upload them yet. since the packages aren't there, upset can't figure out what version numbers to use. You're not ever supposed to have a setup.hint without any packages. --Chuck